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  1. Dec 2019
    1. self-sufficiency is both the end and the best <good>

      For both a community and a city -Matys

    2. 'It is to be expected that Greeks rule over foreigners', assuming that the foreigner and the slave are natu-rally the same

      Much of this discussion seems to be built upon the idea of natural rights. I.e. born to be this or that. -Matys

    3. this is the one called the city, the political community.

      government controls the community -Matys

    1. For this is the form, and the form is the principle, both in the products of craft and equally in naturally constituted things.

      This sounds quite similar to Plato's theory of forms. -Matys

    2. The primary cause is apparently the one that we say is for something.

      This makes sense, as something needs to come into existence for it to be impacted by motion. -Matys

    3. in the case of each property that belongs to specifically different animals but is not itself different in each species.

      Would an example of this be a dog having fur? It may be specific to that dog but that doesn't mean that it is different within the species. -Matys

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    1. hot and cold

      So for example, would what is being lost be heat and what is being gained be coolness? -Matys

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    1. Moreover

      So does Aristotle believe that craft is universal and experience is applied to particular instances? -Matys

  2. Nov 2019
    1. Now the causes whose results might be matters of luck are bound to be indeterminate.

      Is this because luck is coincidental? -Matys

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    1. demonstrations are derived

      Wouldn't this be prior knowledge? -Matys

    2. demonstration

      If this is the case, wouldn't we have to be aware of prior things in order for us to be able to demonstrate them? -Matys

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  3. Oct 2019
    1. Do you think that a god is a sorcerer, able d to appear in different forms at different times, sometimes changing him-self from his own form into many shapes, sometimes deceiving us by making us think that he has done it?

      Haven't stories in Greek mythology given us every indication that this is what the gods did in order to interact with human beings? -Matys

    2. We overlooked the fact that there are natures of the sort we thought impossible, natures in which these opposites are indeed combined.

      I would argue that it is part of human nature to have conflicting feelings towards different things. -Matys

    3. Then our job, it seems, is to select, if we can, the kind of nature suited to guard the city.

      I believe this is where Socrates is going to begin weaving in the argument of justice vs. injustice to his hypothetical city. -Matys

    4. Now, isn't it of the greatest importance that warfare be practiced well?

      If this is the case, wouldn't warfare prevent further production in the city? -Matys

    5. But it's obvious that they do so only because they lack the power to do injustice, for the first of them to acquire it is the first to do as much injustice as he can.

      Is this because human beings are inherently selfish? -Matys

    6. The various sayings suggest that there is no advantage in my being just if I'm not also thought just, while the troubles and penalties of being just are apparent

      I wonder what his thoughts are on personal morals? -Matys

    7. only when compelled to be

      If this is the case, then is there actually such a thing as a just person? -Matys

    8. just without being just.

      So unjust that they are able to conceal their just how unjust they are and appear to be just? -Matys

    9. But I'm not yet satisfied by the argument on either side. I want to know what justice and injustice are and what power each itself has when it's by itself in the soul.

      Classic Socrates looking for the most fundamental definitions of the terms he will be using in his argument. -Matys

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    1. love is, like everything else, complex: considered simply in itself, it isneither honorable nor a disgrace—its character depends entirely on thebehavior it gives rise to.

      I believe this supports the idea that love is subjective. -Matys

    2. Love is not in himself noble and worthy ofpraise; that depends on whether the sentiments he produces in us arethemselves noble

      Who decides if the sentiments that Love produces are noble or not? -Matys

    3. Only she was willing to die in place of her husband, although hiscfather and mother were still alive.

      This seems to be more of an example rather than an explanation. -Matys

    4. What I say is this: if a man in love is found doing something shameful,or accepting shameful treatment because he is a coward and makes nodefense, then nothing would give him more pain than being seen by theboy he love

      I believe they're talking about the importance of an apprentice/ mentor relationship. -Matys

    5. That the good soulis harmonized and, being a harmony, has within itself another harmony,whereas the evil soul is both itself a lack of harmony and has no otherwithin itself?

      If they agree that an evil soul is a lack of harmony then that would go against the premise that all souls are equal in that they are all harmonious. -Matys

    6. This then is death, the destruction of the soul, sincethe body is always being destroyed

      Could another way of framing this be that we are in a perpetual state of death? -Matys

    7. Then if someone breaks the lyre, cuts or breaks thestrings, and then insists, using the same argument as you, that the har-mony must still exist and is not destroyed because it would be impossiblefor the lyre and the strings, which are mortal, still to exist when the stringsare broken

      The memory of the harmony would still live on even if the lyre is destroyed and can no longer be played. -Matys

    8. As I say, the lovers of learning know that philosophy gets hold of83their soul when it is in that state, then gently encourages it and tries to freeit by showing them that investigation through the eyes is full of deceit, asis that through the ears and the other senses.

      These are the only ones who do not succumb to bodily desires because they are in the "cage". -Matys

    9. invisible always remains the same

      How can we make this assumption if we cannot see these things? -Matys

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    1. I believe, Anytus, that there are many men here who are good at public affairs, and that there have been as many in the past, but have they been good teachers of their own virtue?

      They are not aware of their own ignorance and think themselves wise. -Matys

    2. Perhaps you are a wizard, Anytus, for I wonder, from what you yourself say, how else you know about these things.

      How does one initially learn something then? How is knowledge shared if you cannot trust the teaching of someone who has experience and you do not? -Matys

    3. There is virtue for every action and every age, for every task of ours and everyone of us

      Who determines what is virtuous? -Matys

    4. as if there were a dearth of 71 wisdom, and wisdom seems to have departed hence to go to you

      Socrates has not found many wise people in Athens. -Matys

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  4. Sep 2019
    1. don’t know what else to call it, since I myself certainly don’t possess thateknowledge, and whoever says I do is lying and speaking in order toslander me.

      The very fact that Socrates acknowledges the fact that he does not have this wisdom makes him far more humble and wise then any other "wise" man he ever converses with. -Matys

    2. In any case, none of them is true. And if you’ve heard from anyone thatI undertake to educate people and charge fees, that’s not true either. A

      That would be sophists who took up that practice. -Matys

    3. makes theweaker argument the stronger

      Would his accusers think that this is a form of persuasion? -Matys

    4. if you hear memaking my defense using the same sort of language that I’m accustomedto use both in the marketplace next to the bankers’ tables—where many ofyou have heard me—and also in other places, please don’t be surprised orcreate an uproar on that account. For the fact is that this is the first time I’veappeared before a law court, although I’m seventy years old. So the lan-dguage of this place is totally foreign to me.

      He is already prepping to ensure that he can speak in ways to bait them into agreeing to one thing or making something concrete so he can use that against them. -Matys

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    1. f course.

      If this is the case, then it can't be agreed upon whether or not a murder for example is justified? -Matys

    2. matter

      It now seems like Socrates is bringing this back to Euthyphro bringing his dad to trial and hoping that he can convince him to not do that. -Matys

    3. o, on your account, Euthyphro, the same things would beboth pious and impious.Euthyphro: Apparently

      This proves that pious and impious are not opposite but rather, the same through Socrates' reasoning. -Matys

    4. nd haven’t we also said that the gods quarrel and differwith one another, and that there’s mutual hostility among them

      If this is the case, then Euthyphro's definition of pious cannot be true because the gods quarrel and there is constant hostility between them. Therefore, they would not love the same thing or person. -Matys

    5. You see, you said, Ibelieve, that it was by virtue of one characteristic that the impieties areimpious, and the pieties pious. Or don’t you remember?

      Socrates wants a clear definition of what it means to be pious according to Euthyphro. -Matys

    6. So he has written thisindictment against you for making innovations in religious matters andcomes before the court to slander you, knowing that such things are easyto misrepresent to the majority of people

      This indictment is for praying to false gods. -Matys

    7. In fact, heseems to me to be the only one who’s starting up in politics correctly. For itis correct to take care of the young first, to make them the best possible,djust as it’s reasonable for a good farmer to take care of the young plantsfirst and all the others afterward.

      Socrates is looking at his indictment of corrupting the youth, from the perspective of Meletus and his hooked nose. -Matys

    8. 5, 3e3), a self-proclaimed authorityon Greek religion (4e4 –5a2), who takes very literally the stories embodied in itsmyths

      This goes back to one of our first class discussions on old philosophy vs new philosophy. -Matys

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    1. Protagoras made the weaker and stronger argument andtaught his students to blame and praise the same person.

      I think here Protagoras is stressing the idea of being critical of different views and to look at things in a variety of ways. -Matys

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    1. All the following belong to the bastard: sight, hearing, smell,taste, touch.

      Here then is it safe to say that he believes that we cannot trust our senses? What makes a judgement legitimate? -Matys

    2. matter.

      When he discusses matter, is he talking about atoms and void, just atoms, or something completely different? -Matys

    3. By “void” people mean an interval in which there is no per-ceptible body. Since they believe that everything that is is body, theysay that void is that in which there is nothing at all.... So it is neces-sary to prove4

      If this is the case, are we even capable of conceiving the idea of "void"? -Matys

    4. Of these, the one, “what-is,”is full and solid, the other, “what-is-not,” is empty [void] and rare.(This is why they say that what-is is no more than what-is-not, becausethe void is no less than body is.)

      Is the void then solely the space between atoms or something more? -Matys

    5. oid is wherethe atoms are not, and atoms are able to move into the empty.

      Could the void include the "emptiness" of space if this is the case? -Matys

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    1. balance

      Emphasizing balance with the creation of sexes.

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    1. The elements of number are the even and the odd, and ofthese the latter is limited and the former unlimited.

      Is what is being said here that odd numbers are limited but even numbers are unlimited? How would that make sense when discussing the formation of the universe?

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    1. He also declares that in the beginning humans were bornfrom animals of a different kind, since other animals quickly manageon their own, and humans alone require lengthy nursing. For thisreason they would not have survived if they had been like this at thebeginning.

      This is a stark contrast from the belief that humans were created and cared for by the gods.

    2. They were called Sophists, and they wereindependent and often itinerant teachers of wisdom and practical politicalskills. Many of them were accomplished and flamboyant rhetoricians

      Weren't sophists paid off to share their insights even during the time of Socrates?

    3. The hearer or reader should not subject itto critical scrutiny followed by rational agreement or disagreement

      Why does he feel that this should be the case?

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