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    1. served as a witness in this case.

      Who would waste money on him?

    2. stands out like a sore thumb.

      Captain Occam has hit the nail on the head. This is what the Smith brothers have done, and they have often worked privately to convince administrators -- and media -- of their views. They used impersonation socking to defame and prevent response by their targets.

    3. really are quite unsavory

      "really are" implies that "unsavory" is an objective thing, when it is surely relative to the observer I might agree with point of view, personally, but that a person is "unsavory" does not give us license to defame them, to present misleading evidence, etc. Such confuses our public consciousness and inflames and widens disputes, instead of clarifying or resolving them.

    4. some of the articles

      emphasis some. There are many more. I should make a list

    5. it's still underway.

      that was my impression. I'm checking.

    6. I just hate

      Very obvious for years. Vigilant is a hater.

    7. your team

      What team? I filed alone.

    8. sucks over my 'transformation'.

      He really is incoherent.

    9. There will be no record.

      There will be, high confidence, at the minimum, a Motion to Dismiss, a response to that and I think they get an extra response. Before that, I expect I will amend the complaint. And then there will be arguments in court. The WMF has a possible basis for dismissal, to be tested. If the court agrees with what is expected to be the WMF position, then the WMF part of the action will be dismissed, but there will be other defendants, and subpoenaed evidence, I expect. How much can be come public record is not clear. Sometimes discovery is Attorney Eyes Only.

      I'm amazed at how confident shallow thinkers are in their opinions. But that's social media for you.

    10. Oliver told me that no lawsuits were outstanding last month

      Must be true, then, right? I'm checking.

    11. OpenPsych contributors moved to a new Journal

      Not necessarily related to the legal action

    12. Martin is called to testify

      Martin would only be called to testify if the case is widened. And it would probably be a deposition, and such a subpoena would probably be rejected. Someone who is insane can still testify; it is up to the court to assess the probity of the testimony. Vigilant lives in a pus-filled fantasy.

    13. "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus"

      Indeed. He has made so many mistakes in this thread, but he does not understand the legal principle.

    14. his own credentials in the field of physics

      He's lying. What "inflation"? I have no degree in any field, so what "credentials."

    15. puesdoscience crankpot theory pusher

      clueless, he is. I'm trained in science, and, while I am working withi a field often considered fringe, it is not considered pseudoscience except by the ignorant. I've been published under peer review in a mainstream scientific journal on the topic of so-called cold fusion. Vigilant is simply an arrogant asshole, with nothing better to do than spend day after day, year after year, on Wikipediocracy pretending to authority.

    16. He's a dangerous lunatic

      Vigilant clearly does not understand the WMF's legal position.

    17. online doxxing

      There is no such long-standing pattern. This is a Smith brother myth.

    18. told them to STFU

      Attorneys are not in charge of clients. Most attorneys would advise not discussing the case, I'm sure, but the choice would be the client's. If I do obtain an attorney (I have not tried to do so yet), I will certainly listen carefully to advice.

    19. WMF legal team would love an anonymous dossier

      I'm sure they would be grossly irritated by it. And it might dispose them more favorably to me. More likely, no effect at all.

    20. allowing them to claim a history of "victimhood"

      It would be prohibited for the WMF to refer to a prior action. Unless a precedent has been established, of course, which might take an appeals court decision. Then they could cite it, but that still might not be enough to allow a vexatious litigation claim, unless the immediate facts warranted that.

    21. look more "vexatious" by association

      I don't thing there is a snowball's chance in hell of this being ruled vexatious.

    22. chances of success with his lawsuit

      Many have not understood my goals. Bottom line, I filed the lawsuit because I've been libelled and the legal issues are not clear, and I want to find out. It is very unlilkely that I will regret filing. This is quite an adventure for $400. And it may do some good.

    23. SkepticDude

      Classic Smith sockname, but not proof, of course.

    24. two dozen threads on Reddit is just a normal day for them.

      those threads were not created in a day. Maybe one or two a day. Then many highly repetetive comments. In one thread that they really wanted to bury, about 130 comments, often identical, threaded on top of each other. It doesn't really work.

    25. two different people

      Highly likely. Oliver did claim the brother story was a lie, but the evidence for two is very strong.

    26. most judges know how to use Google and might well try to research upcoming defendants with it, if only to save themselves some time.

      That would be a violation of judicial ethics.

    27. you know who the contact was,

      Viharo has claimed Tim Farley on the Wikipedia side, and David Gerard on RationalWiki. David Gerard has definitely aided and abetted massive defamation, that's obvious.

      Tim Farley has been connected by Oliver Smith (when someone makes a claim getting close to the truth, Oliver starts frothing at the mouth and attempts to create a smokescreen by lying. It's quite a good diagnostic sign), but I would not "accuse" Farley without much more evidence. (And supporting a so-called skeptical writer is not a crime.) Farley is a pseudoskeptic, that's all (which is fairly common, genuine skeptics are harder to find). Darryl Smith has claimed organizational support, so maybe Farley was involved with that. Or not. So far, evidence for this is weak. But as time goes on, more evidence can appear.

    28. What kind of trouble did they stir up?

      Rome is a friend, to be sure. however, my complaint about him would be that he makes many claims, that might be right, but provides inadequate evidence for his interpretations. Still, he doesn't lie, and anyone who doesn't lie is a leg up over the trolls who attacked him.

    29. The farms kicked him to the corner

      In other words, they mostly did nothing, but Ever-Vigilant interprets this as boring, which, on Kiwi Farms, is good news. They more or less rejected the idea that I was a lolcow. Now, Oliver Smith, that's another story!

      (It was explained to me that if I like laughing at stupid people, Kiwi Farms was the place. But I don't actually like that.)

    30. advocates cold fusion

      I advocate scientific research into what is called "cold fusion" but which is actually an effect of unknown mechanism but significant potential, if it can be learned how to control it. It's widely believed that it was rejected thirty years ago, but that did not actually happen. It's a great example of fake news, widely accepted. In fact, all major reviews recommended more research. But to knee-jerk know-nothings, it's an interest in it is "proof" of "crank." I get to communicate with major scientists, including a Nobel Prize winner, and Kiwi Farms people get their own sterling company. Which do I prefer?

    31. convert

      Overall, better known as a Muslim for the rest of this stuff. I was a Muslim chaplain at San Quentin State Prison. That was fun!

    32. alt right

      not by any stretch. That's Kiwi Farms, where they raise rotten potatoes for the lulz, and then everything looks like a rotten potato to them.

    33. a fixed objective, to get unbanned or something akin to that.

      Actually, no. First of all, I don't have a "fixed objective." it's not how I work. I stand for possibilities, but my goals shift as reality unfolds. My stand is that reality is better than I can imagine. But I am not interested in working on a doomed ship. Wikis, without protective structure, are not sane places to create content. I had already abandoned Wikiversity, which was about the safest place in the WMF, until the trolls hit it. The problem is intrinsic to wikis that are missing protection. Of course, if the WMF committed to setting up genuine protective structure . . . it could all change. I'm not holding my breath. Being "unbanned" is one possible outcome, that's all.

    34. the WMF judgement will hang over Abd

      they can stand in line.

    35. self imposed crank poverty

      Well, not exactly. Rather I never cared much about money, much more about my children and a series of causes. And I have enough to make it through each day, which has always been enough. I don't think of myself as poor, but technically, I am, so I may file in forma pauperis, it can help with certain things. I could have done this to avoid the $400 filing fee, but decided to go ahead. Some intuition or other than it was fair.

    36. I will and do edit whenever I want because my ban has lacked any merit from day one and I refuse to honor a ban that was based on lies.

      Yeah, that's one response. But what's it all for, Kumioko? The wikis are a terrible place to create content. There are other places and modalities far more rewarding. I can write on Quora, for example, and get millions of page views, nobody can mangle it, and upvotes and comments thanking me profusely for what I've written. Some people end up capitalizing on this. I can write on my blog and then request funding for expenses, and, so far, it has always appeared. Why work where you are not welcome? For whose benefit is it? One of the Smith trolls just wrote about me on Reddit, and a user popped up. "Lomax? I know him from Quora!"

    37. https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2019/04/23/wikipediocracys-seekrit-forum-moderation-models/

      interesting

    38. Mr. Abd isn't a rich man

      On social security. Minimal expenses paid by a nonprofit, which has not supported the lawsuit (though that is conceivable). The nonprofit has been supported by people with access to billions, but I have not solicited support on this from them, and might not.

    39. obliterate Lomax

      That could get very expensive, and for what gain? Vigilant would do this, sure. But he's an anonymous asshole, big toad in a small pond.

    40. The defense can and will try to suppress any of Abd's evidence using all the legal mechanisms in the book.

      I've anticipated many of the arguments. None of them are slam-dunks either way. I have the advantage of full funding for my lead attorney, no matter how involved this gets. Me. Pro se. The down side, Me does not have deep experience at law. However, maybe I have some friends. In the end, it gets reduced to writing and then is presented in court by a real person, whose ability to engage a judge matters. And I'm good at that, actually. Pro se might give me some advantage. Or not. We never know for sure unless we try.;

    41. Abd will get squashed

      I'm not squashed if the action against the WMF is dismissed, but I do need to amend the filing. First, I need to seek funding and counsel. See, there are other defendants to be named and served. It's complicated and I'm not moving swiftly. I get distracted by crap like this page.

    42. they're way ahead of the Abd here.

      Perhaps. But I knew all this.

    43. Jones Day is going to drag Abd.

      No, they aren't. They will either advise their client to settle, and then work on that, or they will file a Motion to Dismiss, and then I get to prepare an opposition, and we will appear in court. I win no matter what, because my life is not based in zero-sum games. Someone like Vigilant does not understand how to live.

    44. how much this cases ends up costing them

      I am getting the impression that they are willing to spend more to fight this than it would cost them to settle, but I don't know for sure. Of course, I have not fixed a settlement payment, nor is it even clear that I'd want more than my costs. Or that I'd want less than $X. I really have not decided, I look to the next step, that's all. My conversation with the WMF attorney was interesting. They are competent, as I'd expect. I'm not going to reveal more than that because I do not want to prejudice any future conversations.

    45. he could at least try that.

      I don't think that it's necessary. I am suing the WMF for libelling me, which was not contemplated in the TOU, and it would be unconscionable to interpret the TOU to create a protection of them from libel by them. At last that is how they will argue. No, their primary initial argument will be that because their publication of the ban was "truth," they are immune. I don't think so, and I think it is an interesting question. Their legitimate need, to protect users, did not require publication of the ban.

    46. If it actually goes to trial it should be a good laugh watching my guy mop the floor with this fool.

      Not an attitude I'd recommend. He may be right, so to speak, but I've watched the best lawyers in the US in court, and they don't think like that.

    47. there are a number of consumer protection laws

      Bottom line, what I am asserting in the case has not been tested. People who confidently predict outcomes where a matter is not clear and has not been clearly tested are fools. No sane lawyer would do that (though they may argue for it if that is in their client's interest. I.e. they will tell the court that, of course, plaintiff's argument is totally bogus and against all precedent, etc. But then the court decides. That's what they are for!

    48. get to California

      This case is unlikely to be heard in California. I am not sure our Dutch friend has relevant testimony. but if he does, it could happen that he is deposed, which could happen where he lives. (Vigilant is so busy smelling witches and ranting about them that he does not understand the case.)

    49. yes there are many threads

      Yes. Every time one of these accounts appears, I tag it as a throwaway account. I am doing that will all immediately registered accounts in those threads, no matter who they look like. This allows later analysis, because, without this, the accounts become [deleted] and cannot then be correlated. Interesting patterns appear when this is done. Sometimes it becomes possible to correlate accounts across multiple platforms.

    50. Darryl Smith tho, has been spamming r/WikiInAction using many accounts while saying Abd and Mikemikev did it

      Probably Darryl. Oliver denies it and might be telling the truth, but he keeps claiming that I have accused him, when I have not. This was not Mikemikev, I have been researching Oliver's claims of Mikemikev impersonations and they are mostly false or misrepresented. I do know that a Smith created impersonations-to-defame on Wikipedia, that's what got me involved with these lunatics, when I defended the impersonated user and Wikiversity, successfully, tagging and getting many socks globally locked. So then they came after me.

    51. says crank enabler, egomaniac and internet troll extraordinaire Rome Viharo

      the RatWiki story.

    52. this article

      Yes. Created by Darryl, not any doubt about it. (There is some possibility that there is another family member involved, not Darryl, but it's unlikely. Oliver has lied, many times, no matter how we slice it. At one point he claimed it was all him, he had fooled everyone. At the same time, he blames anyone who mentions the "brother" story that, at that point, he admitted creating. He really is insane.

    53. Emil Kirkegaard is a Danish paedophilia apologist whose defence of child-rape...

      article created by Oliver and maintained by a long series of Oliver socks, and he's being sued over this. The "paedophilia apologist" claim was added by Oliver and based on deceptive, cherry-picked evidence that only looks that way if not read to the end. This is a Smith speciality: finding and framing highly misleading evidence. It has often worked.

    54. Oliver D. Smith is a known troll

      And now he's really pissed. That article is on a right-wing site. It was intensely researched, obviously. It outs the hell out of Oliver.

    55. Emblyn

      Emblyn is interesting. When I first saw her edits and actions on RatWiki, I suspected that she might be a Smith. However, this never rose to a level where I'd write about it. I have since been assured by Someone Who Knows that she is definitely not a Smith, and she has acted to restrain Oliver (i.e., Tobias). And he's pissed.

    56. Abd posts many interesting pages

      The blog has Posts and Pages. Posts are very visible. You only see Pages if you look for them, or are linked to them. I use blog pages to compile evidence and analysis, they are my notes, shared with anyone who cares. They are not designed as polemic.

    57. sputtering, spittle flecked outpourings of the crazed Dutch scab eater

      Charming, isn't he?

    58. they've even used this forum to stir up trouble,

      I haven't seen it from them, but from at least one other well-known troll, obvious obvious.

    59. something stinks to high heaven

      Yeah. There was a level of collusion. How much, I don't know, but Darryl has been an attack dog for the skeptical faction (JzG et al) for a long time. He's useful to them. Oliver has managed to run a blatant sock recently, anyone who knows him would recognize it, but those who know him are mostly gone, banned, etc.

    60. RationalWiki will probably being getting served

      I don't know about that. Maybe. But they would need to disregard a take-down notice. I have not sent a formal one, only one email.

    61. then went on to create article

      Actually, the RatWiki article on me was created before the block on Wikiverswity and the WMF ban, and that article was probably used in that process. It was the fulfilment of a threat to get all my work deleted if I did not stop collecting sock evidence.

    62. researched the impersonation on Wikiversity of Ben S

      No. I found Rome's work later. And it was impersonation on Wikipedia, not Wikiversity. Then that impersonation socking on Wikipedia was used to attack Ben S on Wikiversity.

    63. attack posts on Emil

      I have documented more extensively than Rome. Yes, that was an impersonation account created by Oliver, he's acknowledged it (but denies that the obvious impersonation was an impersonation)

    64. (likely Oliver)

      Actually, my impression -- not certainty -- more likely his twin brother Darryl. Even though the motive (hatred of Kirkegaard) would be Oliver. The existence of two crazy brothers has made all this very tricky to interpret. Oliver is literally insane. Darryl is more high-functioning, but vicious and radically unethical.

    65. The Smith Brothers are the true culprits behind most of this mess

      He is correct. The Smiths, however, manage to recruit others, especially knee-jerk wiki users who do not look deeply at evidence, but only react to surface impressions. Sitting ducks for fake news.

    66. obsessive personality

      One person's obsessive is another's persistent and patient. But, yes, I know what obsession is and it is a constant hazard.

    1. he alleged wronged person

      Bongolian does not really have a deep undertanding. The best person to open a cooping, where a user has been banned like this, would be an independent sysop, already established, and if the banned user has no way to contact anyone, they could create that sock, and post to that user's talk page, and identify themselves. A sysop user will see it, generally, even if it is deleted. This would not be disruptive.

    2. lame, transparent and a waste of time

      Well, they didn't waste much time! Less than two hours. Nobody supported Oliver. If his brother was aware, he decided that discretion is the better part of valor. Now, if any reputable Rat (is that an oxymoron? Well, no, there are Rats I trust) thinks Oliver did not get a fair shake, they could open this up again and comment in it, asking for more time. There is always a way, if there is a reality.

    3. your first instinct in an argument is to go offsite to dig up dirt on that person

      What's remarkable is that he did this for years, and the Rats didn't notice. Oliver had off-site conflicts with people, and then wrote articles on them. These people were mostly racists or people who might look like racists. (Racialists operate on an assumption that there is a reality to race, and the scientific issues is not whether there is such a reality, but the significance. The "hereditarians" argue that their position is attacked by "political correctness," and I must agree. Even if their position is distorted, itself, from reality, those are questions best answered by science, not by circulating petitions, for example. Oliver takes one side and attacks the other, sometimes in extreme forms.

    4. get a life

      As pointed out on the discord server, he needs help. My sense is that he believes what he wrote. A clever liar would never try to get away with the blatant deceptions he asserted.

      When Emblyn wrote, in response to Oliver's "zero evidence," "u wrote the evidence," she was saying that the evidence came from him, I think. My guess is she was referring to the emails from him, where he clearly writes about a brother, and she may have read more of my blog, there are many pages that cover Oliver brother admissions.

    5. I could have missed something.

      Direct doxxing is obvious. But indirect doxxing, which may not look like doxxing, can ultimately do the same damage. Doxxing, by the way, is not libel, if true. This is all an issue created by allowing anonymous administration, a decision Wikipedia made early on that practically guaranteed that the structure would fail to be reliable. Anonymous editing, great for fixing typos or pulling in obscure facts, but not for resolving conflicts!

    6. None of them are nice people either.

      "Nice" always depends on context. Most of what Spud has seen of these others has been heavily affected by deceptive articles, impersonations, and, then simply differing political positions. In the real world, where power exists, people with differing political views are nice to each other. Opposing lawyers are congenial. Etc. I urge Spud to consider that what he "knows" about these "enemies" has been heavily conditioned by a climate of lies, that then leads to a colored interpretation of whatever evidence is real.

    7. it has been discussed here.

      Yes, it looks like Oliver Rat is dead. He may try to create new socks, but it will certainly crimp his style. We now have the first half of what the Smith brothers called the "Rational Wiki Smith brothers conspiracy theory", nailed. There is another brother, in spite of Oliver's lies. There is evidence to review on that. The suspected current account has been inactive for two weeks.

    8. No Coop was even made.

      Coops are not made when multiple sysops agree. Banned like this, one would need to find another user to file it. Instead, Oliver creates a new sock, writing about himself in the third person. He never really understood how to behave on a wiki, probably because whenever he got into trouble, he just created a new account -- even when he did not have to.

    9. going around the internet harassing Tobias and doxing

      Again, this is how Oliver thinks. Here is a single incident, and it becomes "going around the internet harassing." His articles are full of that kind of distortion.

    10. he was confronting exactly that

      If it was doxxing, it was not on RationalWiki. Oliver routinely claims that this or that sock is "Mikemikev." That's doxxing, actually, and distracts from the real point: if the edits are disruptive, they should be reverted and the user blocked. Because RatWiki has no checkuser, acting "because it is Mikemikev" was an error, and unnecessary. (My guess is that a decent percentage of these have been misidentification, and Oliver had been warned to stop being the Mikemikev Police.)

    11. point out that link wasn't doxing

      This is very common with Smith "evidence." It is quoted out of context and becomes misleading. The sysop responds below. It did not appear to be doxxing at first glance, so he was asking if he could restore it. He was apparently satisfied, and the point is? If Oliver is correct, some true information, not actually doxxing, but also not necessary, or not yet, no foundation having been laid, is invisible to ordinary sysops. So? The fact is that non-doxxing information about the Smiths was often hidden. It has mostly stayed hidden because nobody can be arsed to look at it.

    12. non-dox link

      When I put up information that was merely WMF wiki information, public, (and iwthout the real names, by the way). the Smiths screamed that this was doxxing. And, in fact, such information could be, sometimes. Rome Viharo accidentally revealed his name in a post, with a signature, probably a stray paste. He immediately deleted it, but Dan Skeptic or friends immediately pulled that up and noised it everywhere. That was doxxing. It appears that the link, if followed, could lead to other information that would lead to Emblyn's identity. Pointing to that without any necessity would be offensive doxxing.

    13. they will not verify their identity.

      Nor would I, in her shoes. To an insane famous internet troll, as was becoming apparent, who will attack with whatever he can find, as he proceeded to demonstrate.

    14. who is EK

      What Oliver knew -- our should have known if his mind was functioning, which is in some doubt -- was that Emblyn was EK. he didn't know real-life identity, nor was it appropriate, for RW purposes, for him to demand the information. Emblyn was considering writing an article about him. Well, he writes many articles about internet figures, why not one about him? And if it is written in RW style, at which Oliver was expert, it will be heavily distorted toward whatever can look bad to the RW audience. Her draft was quite mild.

    15. doxing his family members.

      Oliver has revealed that his brother is involved many, many times. That was the one thing that Emblyn did that she was responsible for, reporting the massive socking on Reddit as being from Darryl, i.e., Oliver's brother. That was, in fact, a reasonable conclusion, though certainly not proven, not yet. Oliver wants to control what Rats do anywhere, everywhere; the old tradition was that one would not be sanctioned on one site for alleged misbehavior elsewhere. The Smiths were experts at demolishing that tradition, as article targets researched who had been writing about them, and then reported it. Right or wrong (and the Smiths created such massive disruption, it was all quite confusing.

    16. harassment of Tobias

      What happened was that Rome Viharo made some comments, according to his beliefs. Emblyn added some links for research, not necessarily approving those sources. But simply linking to material,anywhere, is, to him, "harassment." Yet if he searches the internet for dirt on his article targets, or even what merely looks like dirt if one squints, that is "research." Sauce for goose, sauce for gander.

    17. cover up of crimes by EK

      no crime is alleged

    1. He'd hire an attorney

      Well, I have not actually tried. I'm not in a rush.

    2. *cough* Smith *cough*

      Yeah. the ban was immediately published on RatWiki by the Smiths, who had, of course, created it through coordinating private complaints. Dysklyver has been coming to recognize this. He is real-name, straight-shooter.

    3. sacrifice one of my sock accounts to mention it on Jimbo's talk page

      Don't bother, Kumioko. Unless a need appears. Ask me privately. You can do that with any comment on my blog. I see all of them before approving them. coldfusioncommunity.net

    4. You missed

      NewYorkBrad was always a bit clueless. I socked for a short time on Wikipedia, as a demonstration of something that had previously been approved by an arbitrator, disclosed editing under ban with self-reversion. I knew that this could eliminate a lot of unnecessary disruption. But of course, to the Wikipediots, a ban is a ban is a ban, and the hell with WP:IAR. NYB was trying to figure out of the WMF could legally stop me . . . from making s few harmless edits. I used to like NYB, but he lost all respect from this and a few other clumsies. Something about long involvement with Wikipedia seems to damage sanity.

    5. anonymous amicus briefs???

      He noticed the problem with the Witchsmeller. This guy has been defaming people for a long, long time, and has been supported in that by Wikipediocracy. Great for the lulz, I expect.

    6. The only place I've seen it discussed is here.

      It was discussed on Jimbo Wales talk page. There were trollsocks impersonating me as well.

    7. If they move the venue to SF, I might even file an amicus brief

      Doing so anonymously is going to be a tad difficult. And "eccentric" is not relevant in the least.

    8. He could also settle with the WMF without going to trial if they tell him clearly why he was banned and give him a chance to appeal the ban.

      Bingo. Even if they libeled me through the publication (which, by the way, included mails to complainants, Oliver D. Smith published one, crowing how I'd been banned because of his complaint of harassment. Wait- there was no plausible claim that I had harassed him. So he lied. Oops.) they could ameliorate it greatly by admitting it was an error. They could turn around and globally ban the real trolls who created the situation I was addressing. But that's up to them. And I'm suggesting that they dump the ban announcements entirely unless the become necessary. (But any banned individual could waive privacy. I also think that disallowing others to email a banned user is offensive, and the ban tools they use are excessive, in general. But that's a much more complex problem.)

    9. she'll probably agree that the judicial venue ought to be in San Francisco

      Well, I don't expect that, but I'm ready for it if it happens. Again, I get to spend time with my grandchildren. That's a win.

    10. litigate only in a court thousands of miles away might be unreasonable.

      This has been common law as well. When a party wrote the contract with no participation by another party, unreasonable terms may be set aside. But the law is full of exceptions, etc.

    11. Katherine A. Robertson.

      And I have not researched her. I look forward to meeting her. I generally have high expectations of federal judges. Most of them are intelligent, compassionate, fair, and thoughtful.

    12. Mr. Abd will call him an "idiot" on every internet venue available to him

      No, I will call Midsize Jake an idiot, now and here, and then forget about it unless he repeats this stupidity.

    13. Abd thinks he's 'clever'

      Where did I claim that?

    14. incredibly large expenses to continue litigating in California

      Rather, I get to spend time with my children and grandchildren within easy community of the relevant court. But I don't think they will win a motion to move. Still, this part of my larger point. For the WMF to treat users like worthless shit, and powerless, is a very bad idea. No lawyer would advise that. But they do it. And I don't know why. They could do much better, easily. So maybe we find out and maybe we don't, and maybe we all die someday. No, not maybe. We do, and what matters is what we did pending.

    15. both sides will reach an agreement to drop the suit with prejudice

      I would assume a settlement would drop with prejudice, but under what terms?

    16. It doesn't matter whether it arises from their use of the site or not.

      So, let me see if I understand this. A person has edited Wikipedia. Then they are hired by the WMF for something and the WMF fires them and claims they did something reprehensible. The WMF defends, claiming this person was a user and had therefore agreed to the TOU.

    17. It's self deception on a nearly unprecedented scale.

      Just a little hyperbole, eh? I have little idea what is going to happen, but I go through life finding out. As a result, I've seen some truly amazing stuff.

    18. his friend

      I consider him a friend, though I know him hardly at all, to be sure, but I expect my friend to serve his client, fully and well. That's what my friend would do. Vigilant has a poisoned view of the world. He's been smelling too many witches. (Not real ones, to be sure.)

    19. likable

      Well, so far, judges have obviously liked me, joking with me, etc.

    20. why does Mr. Abd think the WMF would be making a tactical mistake by filing a Motion to Dismiss on Day One

      Well, that's a mistake if they decide not to negotiate, that's all. There is no rush to file, but at this point they might be nearing the deadline. It's only a mistake if they refuse to negotiate. Their attorney was quite willing to talk with me, but was obviously not at liberty to consider settlement. I told them I'd be happy to give them extra time. We can postpone the deadline for filing about anything by mutual agreement. If I tried to file a motion for default, they would simply respond. Judges dislike default judgments unless the defendant has had plenty of opportunity to fix a problem.

    21. well has the WMF immunized itself through disclaimers and ToU language, etc.

      My guess is not well enough. But we will see. A more relevant question would be how skillfully will I pursue this.

    22. hard will the WMF push back

      I'm not sure that it would benefit them to push hard.

    23. how far is he willing to go in pursuing it

      Whatever it takes within my rather lazy capacity. Still, over time, I tend to get stuff done.

    24. the judge tell both parties to settle by simply taking his name off the published list

      It's possible. There might need to be a little more, but ... I am not deciding in advance. The WMF could have resolved all this easily when I first sent them a certified letter over a year ago. A few minutes. But they have this policy, see, which appears to be something like

      WE ARE RIGHT. SHUT UP. GO AWAY.

    25. the publication of his ban status doesn't arise out of his actual use of the site

      He noticed. The WMF used to protect itself by deferring all decisions to the community. Instead of setting up systems that supported that, they decided to intervene, but did not consider that they might be libelling users by publishing bans. They could easily ban without publication, trivial. I could do it in a few minutes, all I'd need is database access. Just kill the password. That is more or less all that the lock tool does, anyway, prevent log-in. And, of course, they would notify the user that they are banned, and that any usage of the site would be a violation of the TOU and they might then be forced to take other action. (Like publication to solicit community support for the ban). They could also set up a community-based but legally supported appeal process that protects complainants and alleged problem users. But, no, they did nothing of this. So it's being tested.

    26. flying there repeatedly is not worth his time and money.

      I have family in Marin County, which supports my action. I prepared for the California jurisdiction possibility by filing when I did, it was pushing the one-year statute of limitations and I was not sure I could claim an ongoing libel.

    27. Abd agreed to the Terms of Use

      The TOU did not contemplate that I might be libelled by the Foundation. This lawsuit is not filed under the TOU, which could not possibly cover something like this. The WMF instead will defend based on truthful statements not being libel, that is their most obvious argument. And then I have a counterargument that, to my knowledge, has never been tested.

    28. His voluminous outpourings on some other dying platform

      Hah. Hypothes.is is easy, These are notes. They are not voluminous, for me, they are easy and quick. It's an easy way to comment on a page where I cannot directly comment. Safer than on fora where administration is unreliable.

    29. WMF's main objective here would be to get an early dismissal

      Right. Obvious. However, that might not avoid discovery. See . . . other defendants, which nobody seems to realize. Are complainants to the WMF protected from defamation if they lie?

    30. He clearly has money to waste filing this useless rattletrap of a suit.

      $400 I found in a drawer. Beeblebox confidently states what he does not know. Common for Wikipedians.

    31. there's only the lulz.

      Some people take great pleasure in what they see as the stupidity of others. Reality, which has an incredible sense of humor, is laughing at them.

    32. This is going to get really fun to watch

      I'm sure it will be fun for me! I have been sued before (always prevailed when I defended), but have never filed an action before. First time, what will happen? I don't know, and that is what makes it fun.

    33. Someone's about to get their shit pushed back in.

      He doesn't realize it, turd that he is. I \(like\) Jones Day attorneys. I expect competence from them. What I want in the court is justice and truth. Our legal system is adversarial, and justice is more efficient when the parties are competent. I'm waiting for news. We will see where this goes. Much is up to the WMF, not the attorney, who works for them. But I suspect he will give them good advice. Whether they will take it or not, I cannot predict, nor do I know exactly what it is, nor will I ever find out, unless the WMF decides to disclose it.

    34. he's a corporate attorney

      Which would have zero experience with someone like me, I expect. His thinking is "corporate attorney," which can be competent but which may also be, ah, limited.

    35. a bit on the autism scale.

      Information from Vigilant is about as reliable as reading , ah, something I won't mention.

    36. a bad mailing address

      Except I didn't. The court called me and we checked the address and it was correct. They sent the papers again and they arrived. No idea what happened. And meaningless.

    37. limitless.

      the entire universe is at stake! AND MORE! That is what "limitless" means.

      Really, what is clear here is what an Idiot this Witchsmeller Pursuivant is. (but he is correct, that is the exposure of the WMF if they move to dismiss and the judge agrees -- and if it is clear enough that I don't appeal.

      To be more accurate, though, a Jones Day lawyer may be about $500 per hour, and it's going to take substantially more than an hour to push an MtD through. My conversation with the lawyer was 33 minutes, and there was another listening. They may have already spent more than $500.

    1. a woman googled his name

      Again, he doesn't know how to read. She didn't. Her children did.She knows me well, but I've only met her adult children a few times. I have a daughter with some public visibility and she received an email from someone warning her about her father, he didn't "know for sure if he was a pedophile, but he was defending them." Etc.

    2. His "research" could "save a trillion dollars a year!" folks.

      I didn't say it was my research. Oliver doesn't know how to read, he sees what he wants to see, knee-jerk.There are several hundred scientists working on this, and current funding may be in the range of $50 million per year. (Or it could be more, much of the work is secret, because of obvious commercial implications.) My work is to support the research through documenting the science, including journalism.

    3. it might save a trillion dollars per year

      Yes. There is a reason why the U.S. was spending half of its discretionary research budget on cold fusion for many months in 1989-1990. Notice the caveat: if it can be made to work reliabily. Most people working in the field think it is possible, but still difficult.

    4. This was an old email I recieved from Abd:

      Tobias is Oliver D. Smith, and the complete mail is at January 25, 2018.

      This section was a response to his claim about his brother:

      What little I do know is that he is linked to ‘skeptic’ organisations, supposedly is either paid or works with other people. I do not see any ‘real world’ harm by what he does though, if he’s just refuting or criticising spiritualists or ghost-believers where is the harm?

    1. he falsely accused me of owning a bunch of accounts there

      I did not accuse him of owning "a bunch of accounts:" there. I suspected that accounts on Wikiversity were owned by one of the Anglo Pyramidologist socks, which, from Wikipedia discussions, were likely two brothers. Later I concluded that it was his brother, not him. But "Smith" gets used and "Anglo Pyramidologist" gets used, and then he complained to the WMF. About what is unclear, but probably what he is claiming here, that he had been falsely accused. "False accusations." But there were hundreds of accounts listed, and if any were "false" it would be Wikipedia error. But somebody was behind those socks.

    2. Reddit admins of WikiinAction can see IPs

      Subreddit mods cannot see IPs. Reddit admins can, I assume. But Reddit allows throwaway accounts. Further problem: Mike and Darryl might use the same mobile IP provider.

    3. I'm not John66

      Of course he isn't. John66 is Bongolian, right?

      Seriously, Oliver had revealed a great deal and then claimed it was all lies. Why? To protect his brother. He actually made it clear that he would lie to protect his brother. So, it's simple. He's lying.

      Could John66 be independent? Well, from all that I've seen, it's not impossible, but then again, I don't believe in "impossible." It's very unlikely.

    4. Smith

      Darryl Smith, and specifically as Debunking spiritiualism -> Skeptic from Britain -> John66.

      Oliver admitted to Michaeldsuarez on Dramatica that his brother was Skeptic from Britain. It was in a private conversation, but when Oliver proceeded to accuse me of being Skeptic from Britain, MDS was outraged and published it.

    5. SEVEN YEARS

      I ran Wikiversity as a sysop for much of that time. I was very active with controversial issues. As an example, I was blocked several times by a rogue sysop. I went to meta and whacked him.

      That 'crat had been inactive, and suddenly showed up, saying he had received private complaints, and started wielding a meat-axe, violating policies right and left. I was busy rescuing deleted content (years of work), some pages were very large and exports failed, etc. I would have been unblocked, but I was in no rush, and the WMF unexpectedly banned me before that process could be run. They fooled that 'crat, and they often fool admins who aren't paying attention.

    6. Lomax blamed me for his WMF global ban when I had nothing to do with it

      He's lying, because he published the mail he got from the WMF, acknowledging that they had acted on his complaint. He really is lying, in the face of clear evidence.

    7. third party actor(s)

      Entirely his brother. Mikemikev played almost no role. The Mike socks he listed, very many of them are his brother. But some were his accounts. He's been very careless.

      I think he took Mike's list of Smith socks -- which covered both brothers, looked at the ones that were not him, and assumed they were Mike. Which is how obvious Darryl socks end up on that list. Very few of the accounts he listed appear to have actually been MIke.

      It is unclear how his own accounts ended up in the list.

    8. post 2010 writings

      I started writing about Oliver in 2018. I started collecting data on the Anglo Pyramidologist sock family in 2017. "Anglo Pyramidologst" was Oliver's Wikipedia account, but is also the name under which sock investigations of the two brothers are archived. When I write about AP socks, it is about either brother. But the original problems were all Darryl. Oliver showed up with about one edit, not a big problem. But .... he also filed a complaint with the WMF. What about? I don't know. He may have lied.

    9. I'm literally everywhere and everyone according to him

      Nope. The claim that I believe most Rats are Smiths is one more deception. There are a lot of accounts, to be sure, but I've not counted all of them. If Oliver was not lying when he said that most accounts were his brother, and if the impersonation and troll socking is his brother, Oliver doesn't have all that many accounts. It might be thirty or forty, and usually only one was active at a time.

    10. these random people I've never even heard of

      If he is telling the truth -- he might be -- it is because it's his brother. Years ago, before I was involved, he was warned that he could be responsible for his brother's activity, if he tolerates it.

    11. the "other" articles often mention my name.

      Not really. He picked a blog post on pseudoscience, that has a very rare mention of the Smiths in posts. It's because of troll (and impersonation) socking there on Kendrick's blog (and Kendrick is under attack by Darryl).

    12. These are all arranged under subcategories

      It's actually quite a mess. But little by little.

    13. heart disease, cancer and other medical issues

      Primarily, I'm 75 this month. Actually doing pretty well. Sure, I have prostate cancer, but if you do an autopsy, most men my age have it. So far, so good, actually, I'm very unlikely to die from prostate cancer. No symptoms.

    14. website is named coldfusioncommunity

      Indeed. Infusion Institute pays the bills, and that's publicly supported. But because I'm not taking a salary, I get some perks, and this affair is peripherally related. They attacked cold fusion on Wikiversity. But very very blog posts are about the Smith fiasco. It is pages which are organized, as much as they are, hierarchically and are not as visible as blog posts. Oliver almost never links correctly to what he's talking about.

    15. needs a new hobby.

      I agree. I need to finish this business.

    1. Nick Lowles Fan

      Contributions This is very clearly Oliver or an extremely sophisticated impersonation, like I have never seen. Oliver is lying or truly deluded, does not remember what he has done. Who would take the trouble to run such a thoroughly sophisticated impersonation? And for what purpose?

      I can think of one. To troll Oliver. This account did not add any opprobrium to Oliver that was not already there. I have additional evidence to look at that may reveal more, eventually.

      This is something I have noticed about the alleged impersonations that attack others. The real Oliver never shows up to defend them. He has claimed that the impersonation socks that attacked me on Wikiversity were actually Mikemikev. Yet not only did he not defend me, he was a complainant to the WMF. Why?

      He is responsible for what he does not do, as well as for what he does.

    2. think he's a lolcow

      Whereas, of course, Oliver is the very soul of cool guy, right about everything,. Oliver has never understood that someone else being Very Bad does him no good at all. Focusing on it takes him down and keeps him down.;

    3. You're a fucking sheep

      You will not go far if you don't deepen, MIke. You've got a great song here, if you make it scan and set it to music. But if you believe it, you are in trouble. First problem, you think there is something wrong with sheep. You have your own knee-jerk assumptions and don't see your own blindness, and you have not developed the tools to allow you to function beyond that, or else you'd be too busy to bother with this web shite and Oily-ver Smith.

    4. 15:13, 13 May 2019

      Great comment, Dr. Ox. 10 points.

    5. And you'll pay for it

      This is utterly useless, it accomplishes nothing. This is the behavior of the weak and powerless. You want to help, contact Emil Kirkegaard and see if he needs anything. Contact Noah Carl, etc., Make yourself actually useful.

    6. I had no involvement with the open letter

      Oliver generally claims innocence when he was involved up to his eyeballs. He tossed mud and made it look real, and started a rock rolling down a hill, which led to an avalanche. Did he cause the avalanche. There is a forest fire, but he didn't light it, he merely lit a small fire to cook his lunch. Honest, it wasn't me!!! But he is not honest.

    7. the closing down

      Let's say the evidence contradicts this.

    8. Mike just misrepresents and straw mans

      He wasn't talking to you, stoopy-head. The biggest mistake you make with Mike is not stepping aside and letting the community deal with him. Instead you are compelled, and if fucks up your head.

    9. forgot to take the happy pill today

      I think this may be an ordinary day for Mike. Look, he's been shut up and shut out of RatWiki for years, so of course he's going to dump. It's not worse than what many have written here, it is just obviously much more politically incorrect, and he has no idea of how to actually communicate with this community, except through insults. It might take him some time to figure it out, changes like that don't happen overnight.

    10. Just saying

      Okay, what Mike would answer. That an individual is smart and successful does not mean that the <group> they came from is relatively capable compared to another group. Or if he is a true and complete racist, he will say "He was made a judge just to make it look like Aborigines are equals."

      Much of the argument in this issue -- on both sides -- is actually beside the point. What if group X is less intelligent on average? What difference does that make? Society is learning to treat people, all people, as individuals, not as members of a group.

      There are, in fact, cultural differences that can be important. I was writing about this more than a decade ago, when racialism was much more accepted, when it was widely believed that "they" were different in important ways from "us."

    11. He argues race is a valid biological category; I don't.

      Mike and Oliver have been having this argument since 2012, repeated over and over. Really, a page could be created with lists of arguments on the sides, and then they could save a great deal of time: Oliver: 3. Mike: No, you idiot, 17. Oliver, 13. Mike: 17. Oliver: You just said that! MIke: 12. Sysop: Okay, guys, enough for the day, 20 hour block.

    12. fucking ignoramus, with a very big mouth

      Mikemikev is smart, but too big for his britches. He is quite accustomed to dealing with shallow thinkers and is simply assuming you are one, and gets some kind of joy out of insulting you.

      What would be useful could be to allow him to present his arguments within the bounds of civility, as in academia. It can be done, but it's some work. If it were up to me, I'd negotiate with him, and allow him an account if he would agree to behavioral restrictions. Then realize that he has years of habit and might violate them. But humans can be trained, it merely takes patience. At least most can. I have no idea if he would accept, but my guess is, from what little I know of him, including in person, if he made a commitment he would keep it. The big mistake that many wikis make is to disrespect users, it creates trolls from those who might not otherwise turn into them. Respect works, and, remember, I was a prison chaplain.

    13. same intelligence as the Japanese

      He is not defining terms, he is carrying on a years-old argument as if it was all obvious, when it's not. Stick with rude, I suggest, Dysk.I rather doubt that he has ever been confronted by someone truly knowledgetart by being authentic and detached. I think you are good at that.

    14. the majority viewpoint because anyone who dissents from it gets fired.

      He is right about that. The reality is complicated. Academic freedom is important, and it gets lost in the political shuffle.

    15. you are fucking rude mate.

      Yes. Actually Dysk, stick with that. You might get some traction.

    16. a form of pseudoscience by these standards

      Give yourself some time, Dysk. You may mellow some. Something does not become "pseudoscience" by being a minority point of view. Yeah, for the most part, biological race is an illusion, but race can still be scientifically studied as a social category, and some of the people attacked do that.

    17. In a way we are all activists here, promoting our own pet views on the world.

      I keep saying that Dysklyver is brilliant. He is young. He claims to be a lawyer. which he has never explained, very unusual at his age. He might mean "paralegal."

    18. If there was any justice in the world you'd be rotting in the bottom of a ditch, you nasty little shut-in bastard.

      Ah, authentic Mikemikev or at least a very good impersonation. Mike can correct me if I'm wrong. So far, he has never lied to me. This is his point of view, and he has a point, though I disagree with much of it. overall, strongly. He is not lying.

    19. Is Mikemikev now trying to blame his 1000th sock

      It would be preposterous to claim that Glamour Sickle was Oliver and there is no sign that MMV did it.

    20. the user boxes on that page.

      The real offense of Glamour Sickle, who might actually be what he claimed to be, was pointing out that Oliver Smith was ... well, what he is. I don't agree that this showed it was Mikemikev, there could have been many people who would have put that up. It could have been Emil Kirkegaard would be the first suspicion. it could have been me, except I'm not editing RatWikl, and I would not create a fake account pretending to be what I am not -- except I might pretend to not be me! But then I would certainly not use such an account for what this user used it for.

    21. occasionally get Nazis email me

      He gets emails from idiots. Meaningless. But wait, he was going to stop commenting here.

    22. I'm an "SJW Antifa"

      He would assume that from Oliver's use of RatWiki. It has nothing at all to do with impersonations. Oliver has never shown anything credible that would matter, that would affect how somone like Welton would see hijm. And Oliver wrote the article on Welton, and left out the most interesting (for RatWiki) fact, that article that was actually more about RatWiki than about Oliver, even though it doxxed him. That made Oliver more notable than many of those he has created articles on. How long will he be uniquely protected?

    23. other people now repeat his lies without fact-checking

      How does it feel, Oliver? That is exactly what happens to others with the defamation you posted. But I have not seen any sock blamed on Oliver that could have been Mikemikev. Oliver is criticized for what Oliver clearly did, and here he is "blaming it all on Mikemikev," which, above, he denied doing.

    24. any point in wasting more time rebutting him

      Well, if an error actually matters, Oliver could comment on the blog. I have never refused his right to correct errors, which is very much unlike him. He was Skeptical who blocked me for being attacked, and who complained to David Gerard, more than once, to obtain sanctions. Fascist asshole.

    25. Gab comments

      this is routine for Oliver, he links to pages that work when he links them, but that are updated and meaningless later. He does it with my blog all the time.

    26. You know what we do with rabid dogs

      Charming, isn't he?

    27. a vicious dog

      The term is attack dog, a name for a disruptive account tolerated by a faction that finds it useful, but that can then back away if needed, if the dog goes too far.

    28. 10:11, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

      82.132.246.17 Mikemikev, hi!

    29. I won't be leaving any more comments

      Oliver must have made comments like this hundreds of times. He held out for ten hours. He put up a DNFTT, template as he continued to feed one or two trolls. One shows up immediately..

    30. Anti racist skinhead

      Contributions

      I wrote "agenda Oliver, but different, probably Darryl." There are only six contributions, so this is not strong. The agenda is very clearly Oliver. But I also see moderately clear signs it is not Oliver, Hence I suspect Darryl, but it could be someone else. Very unlikely to be Mikemikev, what would be the point of attacking his friend? Oliver's fuss is about not wanting to be called an "Anti racist skinhead." But he hasn't been, not by me, and an account name is not the person. It could be a joke, as Oliver often points out. Or reality, or sarcastic, or a deliberate combination, such as Schizophrenic, which was definitely Oliver, not any doubt about it.

    31. AntifaGuy

      Contributions I stand with this being "very likely Oliver." The account does not resemble Mikemikev at all. It shows clear signs of being Oliver, so if this was MMV, it was a very skillful impersonation, but to what end? I just reviewed the edits again, and this was definitely not Mikemikev, it makes no sense.'definitely Oliver, so I have removed the hedge.

    32. called you an Antifa

      I think that Dysklyver has called himself a Marxist Antifa, so this is meaningless, having nothing to do with what happened before. Antifa has not been uncommon on RatWiki.

    33. in name are obviously his

      Obvious to Oliver with his schizo superpowerz.

    34. he still believes in that conspiracy theory

      I "believe iin" just about nothing when Oliver is involved. He (and/or his brother) have created massive confusion over the years, lying and impersonating and disrupting, that little is certain. But Oliver is certainly a "Smith brother," and it appears there are at least three, but only two that have been suspected of being involved, from the early communications on Wikipedia. That is, there are Smith brothers. Oliver denies being many of the accounts, and acknowledged to me the existence of his brother and that most accounts were his brother. And then he went completely bonkers. Indeed, who does he think he's fooling?

    35. think he is fooling

      I have no intention to fool anyone. If I make a mistake, it's a mistake and I will correct it. But I do not conclude that something is a mistake because a known and admitted liar (There is no brother, it was all me, lying about it.) -- try parsing that leaving Oliver as not a liar. Good luck. If you can do it, I worry about your sanity.)

    36. not me

      Ah,but Oliver is obsessed with Mikemikev,has been for years.

    37. rolling Lowles

      Oliver admits he follows Mike obsessively. This is utterly beside the point. Anyone could create an account with that name, honestly or sarcastically. I look at the accounts's contributions far more than the name. A name may give hints.

    38. read about him here,

      And so Oliver cites an ED article he created as if it means something. He has absolutely no shame.

    39. Wyatt is as deranged

      RaiderFan was blocked months later by Oliver's brother as Wyatt, in his deletion/blocking spree, (blamed on me, supposedly I hacked the account) citing a Wrongpedia page. I recovered it. On that page, Oliver wrote what was attributed above to MDS, and then he also claimed that RaiderFan was Merkel, who was also blocked by DS in that spree. The quote cited as by MDS was on User talk:Merkel, posted by ODS, but it looks like a signature of JuniusThaddeus, which is deceptive. Oliver is very incautious. However, did JuniusThaddeus write this? Yes. Here it is, at the bottom of this page. Oliver has taken it out of context. It does claim identity, but that identity would not be a cause for block, necessarily. It also says a great deal that Oliver would rather we not look at, and that could be why he and his brother only quoted their own quotations. MDS was responding to a claim that he was RaiderFan, he attributes to Oliver. Was MDS correct? And does it matter? The account was not an impersonation, and more than one person might follow the same games. At most it was trolling. There had been an attempted cooping of Merkel. It failed. So Darryl simply took an opportunity when there was massive confusion that he created to block. And nobody cleaned that up.

    40. impersonation of me

      Raider Fan was not an impersonation of Oliver, this is obvious. The account was trolling him, by using an old account name. The Smiths have also done this, with me. Nobody would think that Raider Fan was Oliver, therefore it was not an impersonation.

    41. full of defamation

      that is a judgment, and he does not admit that, but he tried to get the articles deleted because he knew that a court might find them defamatory -- or he was willing to have truthful articles deleted just to satisfy Kirkegaard. And if that was his thinking, no wonder he failed. The Rats would want to keep truthful articles. So, was it truthful to claim that Kirkegaard was a "child rape apologist" or not? The evidence cited shows not, if one actually reads it without going ballistic from the first words, i.e,. reading them out of literal and temporal context.

    42. been creating articles

      That is, eventually he admitted creating the articles.

    43. changes his political views

      No such change has been shown. Oliver doesn't know my political views, as far as I know.

    44. "Blaming it all on Mikemikev"

      Oliver misses that he has blamed much on Mikemikev that was not him, starting with many socks of his brother. He is quoting the title of a page, intended as a brief summary, not as a literal "all." Oliver is not responsible for Mikemikev's antisemitic comments, for example.

    45. Lomax is a very dishonest person

      The hard part is finding a neutral observer willing to waste time looking at Oliver's trash and reviews of it.

    46. This made me laugh

      Unfortunately, Oliver's laughing is contempt, never good for heatlh.

    47. won't comment on Mikemikev's edit

      He did not actually link to the edit. None of this would make sense to anyone else. In any case, I found it, and it was hilarious, actually, for ED. Here is Oliver's edit removing the change, but it was not a simple revert of Mikemikev's edit, and Oliver had been revert warring over pieces of Mikemikev's joke. I had trouble finding it because the description was not clear. The change by MMV had been made the day before and expanded with Oliver's address and photo. This was a classic and very obvious ED piece of buffonery.

    48. he didn't respond

      respond where? Oliver is utterly incoherent.

    49. that are gibberish

      If I want to create gibberish on my blog, the problem is? No, it's not gibberish, it is material that sets Oliver off.

    50. just troll him back

      In spite of many years of internet experience, Oliver has not learned that "trolling back" is a formula for convincing everyone you are an idiot. Oliver listed his accounts as being Mikemikev. There were many, Octo was merely emphasized and prominent. And he left that material in the article. What I got to was his RWW article, annotated here. This was on the face written to inform RatWiki users of the situation.

    51. the edit Mikemikev made

      He does not link to that edit and it is difficult to find it.

    52. was this edit,

      Oliver does not link so that his claims can be easily checked. That's normal. Here is that edit.

    53. view his latest insanity and lies here:

      thanks for the link, Every little bit helps. That is actually a quote from him. The only "lie" would be, perhaps, calling it a deception when it was, he claims, a joke. If Emil Kirkegaard posts a photo showing someone making a nazi salute, that's, per Oliver, proof that he is a neo-Nazi, even though it was obviously a joke, but if he posts something that accuses another of being a sock master, it's a joke and anyone who thinks he is serious is lying. Except I did not think he was serious. This was merely the most prominent of a series of sock claims, covered on a subpage. Oliver Smith has claimed impersonations and then one might think we would see them on the page he compiled. Instead, we see a list of his own socks, many of them. And his brothers' socks I haven't gotten to that. All pinned on Mikemikev with no evidence at all.

    54. Tobias (talk) 21:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

      Comments on the above are found on the CFC page, Tobias.

  2. May 2019
    1. many each day:

      Not all days. I will go over this list elsewhere and come back. I will categorize the accounts according to what is known about them. I have never compiled a complete list of AP accounts, nor of specific Oliver accounts.

    2. a significant portion

      That could be read as an overstatement. By restating it with only a little more emphasis, Oliver convinces that they are all being accused of being Smith socks. However, being careful about "significant" -- a few percent would be significant -- this is true or not far from the truth. That activity is focused in some narrow areas, so in those areas, the impact is large.

    3. a lot of time on his hands.

      Do remember there are two brothers. I have used editing studies to identify Darryl socks, but have not yet used them to compare Oliver and Darryl. It's work, it takes time, but it yields very interesting data.

    4. now editing Encyclopedia Dramatica to blame his socks on Mikemikev.

      Yes, and it is very useful to compare that with clear independent evidence. Oliver is being sued, and as Aeschylus, he admitted to being the creator of many articles, and that then allows clear identification of those old accounts as Oliver. It was already obvious, by the way, so this merely confirmed what anyone could see by the duck test. So the ED editing, by MrStrong, clearly and unmistakeable Oliver, shows how Oliver lies in order to attack Mikemikev -- and to attempt to cover up his prior activities.

    5. e

      Any may not be. The impersonations of me were probably Darryl, not Oliver.

    6. Oliver Smith regularly doxxes his victims while at the same time accusing his victims of doxxing and impersonating Oliver Smith while at the same time claiming not to be Oliver Smith.

      Oliver is truly insane; but his brother Darryl is vicious, and my general suspicion is that most of the impersonation socking is from Darryl, and that Oliver does not necessarily know that, so blames it on whatever target is handy. Of late, Mikemikev. But Oliver has also accused Mikemikev of being the owner of accounts that were clearly his, I'm documenting that now.

    7. might be Oliver himself impersonating

      It is unlikely, but Oliver claimed at one point that there was no brother, it was all him, lying from the beginning, back on Wiikipedia. Then he sort-of retracted that, saying "you'll just have to figure it out." We did. Whichever way you sliced it, Oliver lies. (He then claims the lies were harmless.)