a dream

the kid has a lisp, and chimneysweeps would cry out 'sweep sweep' on the curb to advertise, so this is an ironic play on it

as opposed to the lamb, this leaves the question open. in the lamb, its "ill tell thee" boo. and here its like who did this!

same question as lamb.. "who made u boo" .. and this god is more like vulcan; menacing, imposing

reference to milton

trying to bring us out of our sleep.. weve been led astray

commanding, emphatic call to the edict, contrast w the soft, sibilant intro to SOI

the tree of eden, roamed by god and his angels

the bard is the one thats speaking to us..

presents god as a peaceful, meek/mild god who embraces children and is just like one of them

a catechism for little children, teaching them who made them (via who made the lamb).. and that who? Gawd!

notion of poetry ruining purity ; bringing down into the real world

the piper is the 'patron spokesman' of the songs of innocence; so hes pretty much the author of the SOI

lamb of god

a heavenly child (cherub, angel, christ-child)

rural setting

overall tone: happy voice telling this: i, the piper

humans create gods in their own image rather than working together as a society to reach eden (unity)

pagan gods

cartesian dualism

"let it be seen"

hell is a human construction, not evil - its not a bad place. god and satan are two sides of the same being (contraries -> progression)

the key to almost all of blake

satire of the bible

no. i dont think so in my heart of hearts. ive grappled with this forever. its so miserable to be unhappy in the present moment even if you have a conception of something greater, something more infinite. i dont know if thats bullshit but like.. yeah. i find it hard to reconcile. i gues sit is the height of dishonesty, what plato wold call a lie int he human soul, which he believes is the highest of falsehoods, and the gods think so too.

this anti religious view was revolutionary at the time and could have landed you in prison for treason. because the church is inseparable from the state in england - it has an official church of england for gods sake. (th eirony there). damn this guy is going the fuck off.

cunning is weakness when it is courageous. the lion has bravery and wisdom, supposedly. wonder if jk rowling got her inspo from this.

the hands and feet control moderation of all else (pathos, subline, and beauty)

damn. blake thinks very little of the church clearly.

learn from the idiots of history

the argument for people who hate slytherins

a real friend lets you impose, or be invasive, or pushy or whatever.. and thats how they get to know you better. and theyre the ones who really care to know you.. because they let you eat up their time. its no biggie to thme. im thinking of anthony talkign to me for hours about bullshit mental health issues and enrique waiting for me/netflix stuff.. and im doing the same for him. and i consider myself fo know him in and out. well.

dont concern yourself with those who are lesser than you because they are dfiferent. remain true to your eagle self -- because you were born an eagle, not a crow. that will kill lots of time. lord knows ive done the same thing.. tried to investigate others like theyre case studies and lost sight of myself. lost tons of years and time ot hat too. :/ what a shame.

things that are growing/dying.. fruit grows on the vine and then falls to the ground.

no

look at what is ensnaring you, rather thanblaming yourself for being ensnared.

sorrow is soon to pass, therefore happiness; joy is soon to end, therefore sadness.

a persion with no scruples or morals.. who is careless

a lack of scarcity. bring out the scales when something is running low?

hm.. need to mull this over. ask about it in class maybe

basically the plague i couldnt find the actual definition on wiki because theres a death metal band called pestilence.

OOOH SHIT SAVAAAGEEE

each bird that flies through the air is happy and only bound by the senses to experience the glorious ecstasy of flying and feeling

real poets can write freely about the devil and like, evil energies and stuff.. the dominion of edom (? donno if thats correct).. but anyway they can write of desire freely, but they are limited when trying tow rite about reason and angels and god and goodness. all that contrived stuff. i like this a lot. maybe im of the devils party too. :thinking_face:

chain to restrain prisoners usually locked around the ankles; metaphorically, restricting someone from the freedom to Do something

if im understanding this correctly- the messiah took from the kingdom of satan, and made what we perceive to be heaven, what the bible calls heaven. but to milton this messiah is "governor". hm a little confused since ih avent read paradise lost

evil springs from temptations of the flesh/pleasures of the body, like adultery and sex and stuff

lions are ravenous, mighty, self assured, and have a lot of power -- the just man might be.. eaten by them, or diminished and made less important

bad people take the easy paths, the easy walks of life, and this figure in particular is leaving the path of 'ease' to wander into the vale of death, where the just man is, and scare him away from it.. into 'barren climes'.

yo this is really beautiful.. i take it to mean that the just man is walking along a dangerous and treacherous path (because hes committed to justice).. and its a beautiful place with roses and honeybees

yikes.. woman is demonized and made seem irrational

TRUUU man plato was ahead of his time

what does he mean by the actions of which the imitations are copies..? is he saying that u cant do things well if you fake it.. that youre not gonna succeed if you pretend ur not gonna do those things as well as the original person did? probably. thatma kes sense.

sounds very orwellian 1984-ish, rewriting the history/the past to sound better and gentler

umm why did this arouse me lmao. zeus and hera on the ground is kinda sexy??? zeus being overcome by hera? literally me with enrique sometimes, or him with me

um i think this is backwards. the rulers shouldnt lie in any of their accounts because theyre deciding public laws and services. who cares if some average schmuck tells a white lie

serious .. this guy thinks that we take fiction about the gods to heart and follow intheir example, which is not entirely false.. but most people cant separate reality from fiction

give me a muhfuckin break

this is a cornerstone of christianity/christian art and the reason for iconoclam around the byzantine era when shit was smashed because a generation didnt approve of portrayals of jesus and mary and all that white nonsense. im surprised i remembered this

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this is some totalitarian shit mayne i dont ike it at all

how a state educates its citizens directly speaks to what values it wishes to instill in them and what it prioritizes its citizens to grow up knowing.

this is what i learned in art class too, work large to small!! lol see the bigger picture first and then go over to the details.

a description or a phrase which speaks to the quality or character of the person who it is about. like dry or geezerly to old man

true, i cant dispute this really. once people come into power (through land, money, title, rank, their connections et cetera) theyre gonna use it for malice..

isnt this what like catholicism is based upon .. sinning and then repenting and apologizing for ur sins in the wooden boxes with the priest lol

liek the freemasons and the illuminati and shit. secret alliances and collaboration going on ehind the scenes of politics

appealing to a deit y in order to garner praise or avoid the wrath of the gods

dude i fucking hope so

yeah i mean sadly history can tell us about this.. martin luther king jr's assassination, the salem witch trials, public humiliation for LGBTQ people.. putting people in stocks in a public square of famous legend.. et cetera.

yo this is so cool, possible inspiration for the cloak of invisibility in harry potter? jo liked the classics a lot from what i remember of her biography.. lol the small thin one. anyway i thought this means like huge rings but it was a small ring on the finger. i really like this tale.. morally nuanced.

means that evil people only act well because the law compels them to.

have neither suffered nor practiced injustice upon others leadst o the necessary creation of laws to promote justice

DORP THE FUCKIN MICROPHONE SOCRATES, JSTU DROP IT AND GO. lsow clap

im thinking of like isis and shit, and how all its factions fight within themselves and shoot each other, and shoot/maim deserters.. it makes you wonder how anything gets done. or nazis, they were really brutal and suspicious and backstabby with one another. yet they still remain structured, with hierarchies.. that eventually toppled.. hm

oooooOHHH SHIIITI GOTTEEEEMMM!!!@!

bear in mind these are very outdated examples lol. and i would argue that people of a profession are certainly in competition with one another in a capitalist economy because theyre competing for clients. mo clients and patients equal mo money. and thats a side goal of practicing medicine.. you wanna help more people and a byproduct of that is fat stacks.

trolling goes all the way back to the ancient greeks apparently. lmfao

this is a very crucial idea, this selflessness, this sacrifice, this public gain for private .. martyrdom? sort of

so theyd rather receive benefits (be the subjects be ruled) than be the ones handing out benefits to others .. bc its exhaustive work

extreme wealth and greed for material gain, thansk google

honestly true .. aint no one gonna volunteer for a government unless theyre like whackos who are power hungry. you need to have a salary if youre gonna be a public servant. its thankless work and youre working on behalf sometimes of people youll never meet/see face to face. the problems and "evils" you are working to correct are not your own,and may not even concern you. but you still have to work to fix them.

socrates would have been a gryffindor clearly lol

this is a profound argument for getting rid of money overall (enrique is clearly rubbing off on me with his profound anti money claims lol). unjust people can figure out better how to evade paying taxes and therefore providing for their fellow citizens. money promotes injustice and selfishness and hoarding. and the ones who are just and pay all their taxes and shit and contribute, well they end up with less money. is that fair? no thats not fair at all. the crooked end up with more. and then you have wealth inequality and abolishment of morality. moral decay at its rawest.

whoa.. this is.. crazy. all of the disciplines are interconnected in some way and help each other fill in blank spots or deficiencies; they provide corrections and help.

THIS FLIP FLOPPING BITCH! it's weird, he totally changed his argument from before. before, he admitted that rulers are infallible, and now he's saying that they are perfect and steadfast. something doesnt add up thrasymachus..

REAL FRIENDS/HOW MANY OF US/HOW MANY JEALOUS

kissass

is he saying that people are misquoting lmao. cause we still do that nowadays. tfw

comfort and peace of mind if it is a good person- - no debts to be repaid, no possible wrongs and ensuing feelings of guilt. no burning in hell essentially lol

tru we have a lot to learn from older people.even if theyre decrepit and scary with blue apparent popping veins in their hands. D:

changing position, moving it from its original spot to another spot (an old story in a new context)

words which are commonly placed next to one another. like hot coffee or heavy drinker as the examples are given in the dictionary.. words placed side by side or things in general juxtaposed with one another. interesting. i never thought that was a thing observed in linguistics.

speaking fancily gets the idea all confused and muddled up

so, the thought is beyond words, or cant be expressed through verbal comunication

hahaha called thje fuck out. i guess the irony here is that he advocates for truth above all else; the gods are not concerne with falsehood and we should TOTALLY REMOVE fiction and details from everything! and only tell the literal and gods honest truth... and meanwhile here he is taking things out o f context and misquoting and misinterpreting them to fit his own devices. classi c pseudo intellectual behavior. im only kidding. ;)

sounds like the modern us military

in socrates utopian state social mobility is posible. also to recap he wants to ban music that isnt simple or utilitarian; he only wants music fashioned to a certain purpose and stories stripped of fancy detail and enchantment. he wants to kill variation and creativity and illusions of fiction i guess.

you gotta put yourself through a lot to prove that youre gold and can remain gold, pure and untarnished

cause someone to feel drained of energy and weakened

doctors of mythology i guess who had Morals and were picky about who they treated; not lazy and useless commoners but people with actual sicknesses. thats discriminatory and unethical to a modern pov but i guess plato approves bc its evidence they werent in it for the money

to teach somoene an idea, habit, or attitude by way of persistence and repetition of it.. let it burrow into their minds

jesus this is very extreme and views humans as machines, automatons, that you can just kill off and get rid of ilke objects. thats hideous

a little confused about what he means by this. this trainer guy over weight trained and was too damn buff and made himself sick so he had to use medicine and rest up a lot and also he lived longer? so he was a drain on resources and other people..?

this is like the modern viewpoint of mental illnesses that 'didnt exist before the internet'.. cough cough looking at skeptic s who dont believe in the existence of adhd.

becoming accustomed to something, usually something unpleasant or not good.

this is a beautiful sentiment .. we all have reason within us, and must only allow her (i imagine her lioke a pixie, fairy, or a sprite) to enter into our soul to flutter there and live there. (Gay)

plato would have absolutely despise modern music and EDM LMAO

yup i totally said this sentiment a long time ago.. "when the mask b ecomees your face" when i wrote a very melodramatic bad poem as a teenager lol. also why you gotta be careful not to lie and act so as to avoid self deception.

dishonorable in character and purpose

i feel lie this is kinda hypocritial because you cantknow what stories of the gods are 'true' or 'false'. and youre willinglyl eaving out parts of the truth when youre hiding the bad parts of stories about the gods.. you must have the negative AND the positive qualities apparent, and told for that is the whole truth.

wetland with lots of peat because the plants havent decomposed all the way

to make unintelligible noises out of fear r panic

interesting i thought he was saying the opposite, that kids shouldnt be taught fictional stories or mythologies at all, and should only receive the cold hard truth for fear of being deceived.. or maybe he was being humorous

meh not a fan of this part of his ideal state

highly disagree with this and this dudes gotta be shitting them, gotta be satirical because he worships homer and quotes him frequenlty in other dialogues if i rememeber correclty (i do)

chestnuts roasting on an open fire at christmas tradition goes way way back to ancient greece thats pretty cool

not entirely sure what this means because my understanding of the word ethics is kind of unclear and incomplete

i think this is a really valuable lesson and one that i need to internalize. what is my duty though, is the follow up question. how do i know it is the right duty. or is that putting future happiness above .. above justice? above justice to myself, above just doing the duty first, and then seeking if happiness follows?? i dont know its compliated because ive always thought ahead, of the consequences of pursuing things, and seen them in a negative light instinctively. always been a pessimist about the possible happiness of potentially doing things, which holds me back a ton. and makes me miserable.

when socrates says justice, he means goodness and like, equality in the state, where everyone is materially provided for, and doesnt undergo evils (being hurt, killed, jilted in some way). whereas glaucon and adeimantus have a more modern (i guess) notion of justice as being honest with others, and not cheating or lying or deceiving or tricking or conning people. et cetera.

i guess im a little lost on this .. is he saying that certain people with a lot of intelligence and power find happiness in executing death, war, misery? and thats the state that reasonably ends up happening because its logical for some people to die?? and that utilitarian people/moralists .. prefer that kind of scenario? that doesnt match up im confused

holy shit this is amazing and blows my mind.. its easy to go out in the world and gain a negative impression quickly. to distrust ur fellow peers. but the more you live life the more the cynicism fades away and you gain a nuanced sense of the kindness and .. multifaceted nature of men. and you gain faith in the overall KINDNESS of humanity as a whole

a miserable or cowardly person

in this society, the gods spoke through the poets, and the state backed the poets up.

yeah this is the central qualm i have a lot with like, good and bad people. good people do the right thing that doesnt get noticed and bad people do bad things that dont get noticed either but at least they got to have a good time.. and got away with it.

sounds a hell of a lot like popular preachers and door to door, like jehovahs witnesses, scientology

beggar

this is true. we are taught to be good where we can expect a payment, or a reward, or a tangible outcome for acting so good.

a formal public speech that is not critical, usually delivering the highest of praise

thats how the world is now, we're basically invisible right?

justice as a means of attaining a desirable end rather than practicing justice for its own sake, and the internal good feeling of being judicuous

hmm idr get this.

a tool of logic used to show that an argument inevitably leads to a ridiculous or absurd conclusion

justice.. JUSTICE IS THE KEY TO HAPPINESS? WTF.

good, solidarity, hope, and togetherness need to exist in some small measure for any hope of unity

damn hahahaha

IS TRUE

TRUUUU

justice is useful when money is useless (the opposite of this thing he said.. which is true .. caue evil men can still hold contracts.)

if ur old and rich ur grateful bc u never had to resort to a life of crime/injustice and if ur old u believe in hell so all the more thankful about.. not having to resort to crimes when u were poor and young

kinky.

mentioned in the yale lecture #3 - socrates describes himself as someone who stirs, reproaches, and challenges the 'sluggish' state into motion..

huh. .a little domineering and extreme lol

those who believe evil for evil is justified vs. those who believe justice extends to all even those who have been injured by the injustice of another, should be punished, and shouldnt try to propagate evil because they were wronged or punished

well thinking about donald trump again lol, if he were killed with little reason (because he sucks, and a lot of people think so), he would just as easily become a messiah/martyr to the alt right supporting him-conservatives hold him up as a figure. with as little reason.. hes a suckfish dickhead

morality or a sense of it, a sense of ethics an whats right or wrong, internal compass

vehemently i agree. because of my own upbringing.

only a man can become wise or stupid at his own individual will, not because of a large mass of people dictating and educating him?

damn.

not really clear on what he means by this

what the fuck thats a legendary last line.. what a way to go out.. i want this engraved on my headstone. OH MY GOD!

interesting. so he really believes in omens and intuitions and thinks his path would have been broken, had it been evil or unfruitful/wrong for him

holy shit! rather than looking at my desires, look at the ... LOOK AT THE virtues that cause me to have those desires and evaluate if those are OK... and rather than examining the things that the government is interested in and criticizing them look closer @ how the govt is composed

SCREAMS!!!!

hahahaha

okay so like... fighting for virtue as a politician is nigh impossible because youd just be going on forever trying to right all the wrongs and will not save anybody... maybe

several

okay this is the height of a superiority complex.. literally "i am a gift bestowed upon you PEASANTS by the GOD and you if punishing me are going against the mouth of god!!!!"

government is slow to progress because its so huge

interesting approach.. my brow is furrowed

but i thought.. on the other hand, people are afraid of what they dont understand/dont know, an hence they fear dying. because its the biggest unknown entity/circumstance there is

fuck.... true... the envy of the world is the ruin of men

fuck... i wouldnt want to get roasted by this guy (socrates)

lol thsi reminds me of the thom yorke is BAD FOR CHRISTIANS or whatever meme.. socrates was the corrupting rockstar of his day

i think hes saying that by trying to prove hes the wisest, its a huge ass waste of time, because in the end the god (oracle) knows what hes talking about... and his search is pointless, futile, because hes simply Man

thats really humbling

bhahahaha

hes shaming the way people detach the humanity from 'wise men' and turn them into shadows, and idolize the shadows

yaaaah so i was right he does have a sense of humor lol

sassy socrates

damn ... we can learn from people around us for $free.00 and hes saying these young philosophers are fools for paying other people to teach them? or for giving lessons. i think its the former. though gorgias did give lessons

so... magic ??? i guess he means like he has nothing to do with aristophanes' character of socrates that he devised, that its entirely fiction

OHHH okay im a dumbshit, so this is socrates speaking to the athenian men and leveling claims that have been made about him? or its plato defending himself, or writing through the character of socrates .... im not sure

whats the HOT GOSS

??

i think hes humbling himself before the court, and therefore trying to get them on his side, because he knows hes not a lawyer or a skilled politician, so hes not as verbally polished; hes letting his words stand for themselves in meaning

who his audience is so probably dignified and well off athenian men who owned property and were in the know about who he was

my guess is its a political speech like a stump speech, very formal and rhetorical

so i think this refers to people who are his naysayers, who just dont like him, his haters in short

myrna, dingle, etc. live in the same universe as the ONAN it seems. or actually, jk, this is in BS 1983. so the roots of the quebecois separatists. before interdependence itself.

yeah this is how i feel when i just don't "get" the Marxist critique, uh, trend, or thing, that's so popular with people my age. screw on a new head, i need to, obviously. i just don't GET IT!

hella good tidbit about art vs. commercial film.

DFW mentions this at the beginning and at the end... he really wants to let us know David Lynch is a frequent urinator. I guess.

could have been inspiration for James O. Incandenza