imperfect effort
She wants to seem humble so bad
imperfect effort
She wants to seem humble so bad
it has been necessary for me to work diligently for my own support, and the education of my children
I feel like she's trying to justify expressing herself.
but I deemed it kind and considerate towards others to pursue this course.
Interesting in relation to the conversation about Melville and Douglass
Seriously, Madison, cut your losses and stay in Canada where there’s poutine and Tim Hortons.
K so what I'm hearing is that the stories are both about people who use the system to meet their rebellious ends. Love it
Although, I can’t say I’d do the same if I freed someone and they made the brash decision to walk right on back into the claws of danger. Seriously, Madison, cut your losses and stay in Canada where there’s poutine and Tim Hortons.
Agh. I wanted a conclusion.
When he sees that Madison has been taken into slavery again after his (brave?) decision to try and free his wife,
Crap. I only read half of this tonight. Spoilers. But I see where he's going with this now.
Later the story performs its inevitable acrobatics and turns really into a slave narrative where we see the enemies as the revolting slaves.
Okay, here we go. So does a slave narrative have to have the slaves as the heroes/ protagonists, or is it just a story that involves slaves?
but that’s a story for another time)
NO IT ISN'T
I can easily see how Melville uses a sense of dramatic irony to keep the reader in tow with the story while also trying to sell a slave narrative.
Wait is it though??? I'd love to see this person expand on the "dramatic irony" a little, but I'm really not sure it IS a slave narrative. The way Babo is portrayed is SO controversial. Convince me it's a slave narrative first dang it! I think I can see your side but I don't know for sure!
a ride down confusion lane, shall we?
This kid is hilarious. I hope we agree.
Yeah, you heard me.
Oh boy this is gonna be bold
You shall possess the good of the earth and sun, (there are millions of suns left,)
HMMM SEEMS PRETTY BIBLICAL tran·scen·den·tal·ism ˌtran(t)ˌsenˈden(t)lˌizəm/ noun 1. an idealistic philosophical and social movement that developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were central figures.
Have you reckon’d a thousand acres much? have you reckon’d the earth much? Have you practis’d so long to learn to read? Have you felt so proud to get at the meaning of poems?
is he criticizing the connection people have to written word and structure rather than nature or is he asking the reader to contemplate simplicities they take for granted?
belch’d words
Maybe clumsily or impulsively spoken?
My respiration and inspiration,
The rhyme connects these two words and ideas
me rising from bed and meeting the sun.
What he's describing in this stanza is almost like a marriage with the Earth
Houses and rooms are full of perfumes, the shelves are crowded with perfumes, I breathe the fragrance myself and know it and like it, The distillation would intoxicate me also, but I shall not let it.
Could this have something to do with nostalgia? not perfumes as in something you spray on yourself but the smells of a childhood home
Nature without check with original energy.
Nature unrestrained and unaltered by human hand?
My tongue, every atom of my blood, form’d from this soil, this air,
sounds like something a pantheist would say
Retiring back a while sufficed at what they are, but never forgotten,
Personification- the creeds and schools of thought are not continuing to develop and are comfortable where they are, but people still follow them? to some extent?
Creeds and school
Sets of beliefs and... maybe schools of thought?
abeyance,
Temporary disuse or suspension
Hoping to cease not till death.
Hoping to keep his autonomy until death?
All the story does is reiterate the societal bounds that women and minority groups have been trying to break.
Wait what? How? Where did minority groups come from? Also I struggle with the word "reiterate".
clearly
I still don't know if the author was explicit enough in explaining WHY or HOW this is "clearly" meant for a European/ Colonial audience
. We’ll get our fairytale ending.
Spoilers
Neither Unca nor Alluca are examples of feminist characters for one simple reason: every action they both take is motivated by the pursuit of a man.
THIS is a fair point.
an entertaining read
Are we going with the story being entertainment or propaganda? Maybe both? That affects how it's interpreted though.
It doesn’t even pass the bechdel test!
There have been some arguments about this being the feminist standard though. I'm looking at you, Ex Machina.
prove his love for Unca and she miraculously revives him
This does have kind of a Shakespearean vibe when you put it that way
I know we all love Pocahontas,
Ehhh did you see the critical reviews? Bold claim.
Students in the district would no longer go to the school nearest home but to the one dedicated to his or her grade.
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The schools were too good, and as integration increased, they just kept getting better.
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He was wrong about that. Many have failed where he succeeded, then and since.
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hog or a dog
i read this as hot dog at first lol
derided the slowness, and dullness of the English army,
boom roasted
I told them, they had as good knock me in head as starve me to death.
she is losing the will to live rapidly
Then I took it of the child, and eat it myself, and savory it was to my taste.
wow, yikes. Literally taking food from the mouths of children now.
boiling horses feet;
where are they getting all these horses? and is she talking about the actual hoof?
By which I certainly understood (though I suspected it before) that whatsoever the Indians told me respecting him was vanity and lies
Respecting her husband is vanity and lies?
found no comfort here neither,
Her faith is escaping her
restoration would come to nothing.
Even with all her faith, she's feeling hopeless
a mess of broth, which was thickened with meal made of the bark of a tree, and to make it the better, she had put into it about a handful of peas, and a few roasted ground nuts
Ngl this actually sounds really good. Anyone down to make this with me
fortnight
That's a long time in a mighty thicket of brush
I told them the skin was off my back
what? is she just chafing or
his squaw gave me some ground nuts; she gave me also something to lay under my head, and a good fire we had;
That's so kind :')
Boston
So weird to think I've walked the same streets as Scary Rude Sword Man
I fain to stoop to this rude fellow,
This is something you say to someone who insults your garden during tea, not someone who pulls a sword on you lol
sticks for my own comfort, that I might not lie a-cold;
Nothing like a stick blanket for your own comfort
my master being gone, who seemed to me the best friend that I had of an Indian,
Oh wow, that's pretty positive. Human connection or Stockholm syndrome?
and never let her see it afterward.
If she pushes christian persecution beyond this, I'm going to vomit
This is not to say that Rowlandson’s depiction of the colonial encounter isn’t valid or worth the empathy it so easily conjures up for readers. The problem is not that Mary Rowlandson wrote about her captivity.
B A L A N C E
This imbalance allows for the subjectivity of innocence to continue polarizing until it becomes nearly impossible for some to see the truth.
LOVE THIS. Power quote.
and that there was seemingly no viable reason for it other than inherent brutality.
Agree. She never does give a reason for her captivity.
she—and society as a whole—deemed the context of her captivity unimportant
Good point
but put five Indian corns in the room of it; which corns were the greatest provisions I had in my travel for one day
Traveled for the day on five KERNELS of corn or five corn cobs?
pagans
I'm guessing when she uses this word it's not in the sense of witches and spells but just a derogatory word for those who don't follow Christian ideology (there's a few definitions/ connotations)
she gave me a piece of bear. Another asked me to knit a pair of stockings, for which she gave me a quart of peas.
Is she... gaining social capital?
sannup
Definition of sannup. : a married male American Indian.
and fried in bear’s grease
A pancake "fried in bear's grease" is the most American thing ever
I must go four or five miles up the river farther northward.
So does she understand their language or do they speak English?
Saturday they boiled an old horse’s leg which they had got, and so we drank of the broth,
Is that a custom or just necessity? Why not just eat the meat from the leg?
and yet this river put a stop to them
Almost rescued :/
only my knitting work and two quarts of parched meal.
Comparatively fortunate now
his dame
Betrothed? Master's wife? Assigned female? What does this mean?
home
Interesting word choice
I went to see my daughter Mary
Other child not dead- they're just separated
without any refreshing of one nature or other
She hasn't had food in nine days?
Captain Beers’s
Apparently the leader of some militia that was ambushed by Native Americans
I had been of God’s holy time; how many Sabbaths I had lost and misspent
Feels as though she took the time for granted
Now away we must go with those barbarous creatures,
Native Americans have taken her prisoner
and I fell down with it
This is a sentient, speaking child, correct? Why use the word "it"?
Native American cultures and their respective literatures are not ornamental and historical artifacts of America's past, but are both ancient and on-going-and as complicated as those of any other of the world's peoples.
This took some thought, because initially I wasn't sure if I agreed, but I can see how it would be inherently harmful to claim Native American histories as our own- especially given it was never a consensual integration.
"the Indian world" and how to understand it.
I feel like this initiates a game of cultural telephone- a bit of understanding is lost every time the information is passed.
losing their culture
I feel as though this assumption is a cross between well-meaning concern, self awareness about forced assimilation, and a shallow understanding of culture that lay within the confines of music, art, clothing, and language.
lack a fluent literacy in English.
I may be missing something, but how is this possible?
sexual allusions-maintaining that censorship had never been exercised towards children in the past.
This makes me a bit uncomfortable. No, children haven't changed, but our understanding of them has. As much as I believe in preserving stories to the best of our ability for the sake of authenticity, I'm not sure children should be exposed to that. Maybe teach the story in a more appropriate context if that's the case. Maybe that's too conservative- I don't know all of the details.
He should have said something to the effect that "I'll take you across one time, two at most," or "I'm at your disposal for the next fifteen minutes, no more." But he gave a basically open-ended agreement-made a contract-and hence the porcupine woman was per- fectly within her rights in both demanding that he return three times and in quilling him to death when he reneged.
Wow, the power of context. This is kind of fascinating. I didn't think it would be a lesson on social contracts, logistics of legal matters, or setting personal boundaries. There's so much depth. The end of the fable caught me off guard but I wish we had more like this.
It remained only to convince the members of the several hundred cultures in North America that there was no difference between them and that henceforth they should be prepared to be regularly mistaken for one another
Thousands of years of developing cultures and traditions disregarded entirely... that's not great. Kind of an excellent argument for acceptance of diversity and against "color blindness", no?
is no such thing as "Native American litera- ture," though it may yet, someday, come into being.
I was so ready to disagree with this, but now it makes sense- to lump literature created by Native Americans into one category is to deny or even erase the cultural pluralism that they experienced.
cult
Is this word being used for its literal definition or for the impact of its modern connotation?
Black Water-spirit at about that time was having a hemorrhage and I wanted him to eat the peyote. “Well, I am not going to live anyhow,” he said. “Well, eat this medicine soon then and you will get cured.” Consumptives never were cured before this and now for the first time one was cured. Black Water-spirit is living to-day and is very well.
So does the Peyote work on humans AND spirits, or is this a PERSON named Black-Water Spirit?
From that day on to the present time she has been well. Now she is very happy.
This reads like a testament of a miracle by Jesus Christ. I'm not sure if that was an intentional thing in the process of translation but the Christian influence is SO clear.
It had legs and arms and a long tail.
Sounds more like a kimono dragon tbh
Suddenly I saw a big snake.
Every biblical problem ever
So there we
"I'm not dead so might as well eat seven"
Before that I had been unable to laugh.
I am confused as to whether eating the Peyote has had a positive or negative impact
It seems to be alive and moving around in my stomach.
Is it a tapeworm? I bet it's a tapeworm.
Peyote,
For reference- google says a Peyote is a small succulent plant found in Middle America near Mexico
Yesterday the stranger said to me, “You may easily perceive, Captain Walton, that I have suffered great and unparalleled misfortunes. I had determined, once, that the memory of these evils should die with me; but you have won me to alter my determination.
What is his motivation by telling Robert this story? Surely it's not just for entertainment or to quell curiosity...? He's already mentioned that he's doomed after this journey, so why establish this intimate connection?
Will you laugh at the enthusiasm I express concerning this divine wanderer? If you do, you must have certainly lost that simplicity which was once your characteristic charm. Yet, if you will, smile at the warmth of my expressions, while I find every day new causes for repeating them.
I love how eloquently Shelley establishes a character and Roberts entire relationship with her without one word from the sister. Beautifully done.
Even broken in spirit as he is, no one can feel more deeply than he does the beauties of nature. The starry sky, the sea, and every sight afforded by these wonderful regions, seems still to have the power of elevating his soul from earth.
I wonder if he considers himself unworthy of these experiences, because he was never "meant" to see it. He was created by human hand rather than the nature he so adores.