Gone is the importance of ‘‘real’’ live music; playing endlessriffs on a guitar until your clothes are soaked with sweat is not necessary toauthenticate yourself.
That is just...sad
Gone is the importance of ‘‘real’’ live music; playing endlessriffs on a guitar until your clothes are soaked with sweat is not necessary toauthenticate yourself.
That is just...sad
Pop stars are intertextual chameleons.
I guess I never thought about it like this, but they have a point here...
If we hear the same song a few years later, the sound will remind us of theyear 1995, when the song hit the charts.
Nostalgia is powerful
The clarity of rock is countered by the opacity of pop
I like this analogy here.
While rockmusicians are preoccupied with articulating their distinction from Gangtai pop(the south) and from perceived origin (the West), pop artists rarely display the same‘‘Chinese’’ Rock and Pop 329 urgency. Pop stars in Hong Kong and Taiwan, for instance, are concerned about theirdirect competitors, also from Hong Kong and Taiwan, rather than their loudnorthern colleagues
That isn't fair...
Not only does the pop/rock dichotomy set Beijing apart fromHong Kong and Taiwan, but specific appropriations of the ‘‘Chinese’’ musicalheritage mark a distinction, in this case, between punk and, for example, folk-rockmusic where sounds from ancient China are used.
Wow. There is a lot that is going into this subset of music
The flyer’s design is typical of an underground event. The text says, in clumsyEnglish: ‘‘Will Hold Power, Just Saying ‘No’ to Leader.’’ Such a provocative statementis not repeated in Chinese. That would be too risky. The Chinese text, then, simplyannounces a punk party. More than being a conscious political statement against theCCP, both this text and the design of the flyer, like the names of the bands themselves,signify anarchy and rebelliousness*/two core elements of the punk idiom
This is the Chinese punk rock we've been studying in class thus far.
unk (pengke)*/journalists and bands sometimes add the labelhardcore (yinghe pengke) to differentiate it from pop-punk (liuxing pengke)*/ismarginal in China in terms of number of bands and listeners, yet it is highly visible,given its extravagant styles.
Of course. The divide between pop and rock continues on here
Strange, if it shows that there areindeed boundaries in music, why does foreign music manage to excite us and feelclose to us?
She has a point!!!
A Chinese rockband must safeguard authenticity by distinguishing itself from other Chinese bandsand from the West
That is unfortunate that so much energy must be put in to do such
China is lagging behind in popular music and will never be able to make up for it. Itis unclear whether Chinese youth actually wants such music’’
Interesting comment by this Dutch journalist
ndeed, when it comes to sales figures, Chinese pop by far outweighs rock.
The same thing happens here in America
Rock music is totally different from pop. Rock comes from our souls, it is originalmusic, composed and played from the same heart. Pop is the ultimate assembly-line product. ... There is nothing genuine about it. It is not about expressing yourtruths but about manipulating consumers
I think this about a lot of mainstream music on the charts here in the West
Cui Jian are indicative: ‘‘Pop music as a strictly commercial product,that is for money only, I am not interested in and am indeed opposed to’
OUCH!!
Whereas most rock comes from the north, Beijing, the pop music that hits themainland charts generally comes from the south, Taiwan or Hong Kong (hereaftergrouped under the label Gangtai pop).
Wow, I knew China was geographically separated, but it's crazy how separated they are with these little pockets of musical and cultural influences.
Kurt Cobain’s desperatescreams signify a tormented soul, ultimately verified by his suicide
Oh wow.
As Herman and Sloop (1998, p. 2) say, theideology of authenticity provided the ground for a practice of judgment throughwhich musicians, fans, and critics could ‘‘distinguish between ‘authentic rock,’ whichwas transgressive and meaningful, and ‘inauthentic rock’ (or ‘pop’), which was co-opted and superficial.’’
This reminds me of the common sang here in the West, "music nowadays just wasn't what it used to be". Perhaps a lot of the popular music today would be seen as "inauthentic"
They also differentiate themselves from what they consider to bethe commercial and inauthentic sound of Cantopop and Mandapop: the pop fromHong Kong and Taiwan that largely exceeds rock in audience appeal
I feel like this has been the case since we've been looking at rock in China. Every other genre seems to take a backseat to pop music there.
Beijing youths watchThe Matrix and the Lord of the Rings; play the latest X-Box and Playstation; and listento Jennifer Lopez and System of a Down. Unlike their Western contemporaries,however, they also immerse themselves in pop from Hong Kong and Taiwan as well asrock from their own city.
That makes sense though. They should immerse themselves in different areas of their own culture as well. I feel like some technology and movies transcend into globalization across the world. Yet some music, especially culturally linked, is endemic to certain areas because it's more meaningful.
Hence the striking similarities in both sound and image, for example, of hard-rockers from Beijing and their colleagues in Jakarta or Seattle, with their leatherjackets, long hair, and unruliness on and offstage.
They forget to add the intense "head-banging" motion we talked about in class.
‘‘for Indians to playcricket was to experiment with the mysteries of English upper-class life’’
Ahh, I see what they mean now
However far-fetched drawing a parallel between cricket and rock music may seem,both share a similar perceived origin (the West), and both traveled quite successfullyto the East (India and China).
Cricket originated in the West? Do they mean baseball's influence traveled to the East and turned into cricket?
one might suggest that it is we,not they, who ‘don’t get it’
It seems like we do not get it. After reading this, it makes sense why. We can't "get it" if we don't take the time to understand it
In other words, uninitiated audiences lack the necessarybackground to appreciate, or indeed comprehend, the nuances of the story beingunfolded before them
This explains a lot of problems appreciating Mandopop. Also the fact that lyrics are so important and many Westerners cannot understand them
For the most part,such comments come from Westerners who do not speak Chinese and/or have notpaid attention to the lyrics which, most fans agree, is the strength of Mandopop songs
Lyrics are Mandopop's strength
Mandopop does have several standardised guidelines. Most songs are aboutheartbreak. Many of the popular singers are what might be defined in the West asandrogynous men, or women who, though more sexualised in the last few years,present relatively sexually restrained images in comparison with their hyper-sexualised US counterparts. Many of these songs include the occasional English wordor phrase and are heavily influenced by US melodic styles. Most have simple melodiesthat avoid syncopation or too wide a vocal range – making it easier for the songs to besung in karaoke
Some common themes of Mandopop: heartbreak, androgynous men or women, an English phrase or two, influenced by US melodic styles, simplified to play in karaoke setting, etc.
Another failure of English language condemnation of Mandopop is that itimplicitly refers to ‘boy-toy bands’ and ignores the majority of individual performers,some of whom are quite talented
I have seen this in headlines about "Boy-toy bands"...it's sad that this is being done
As Howard Becker points out,there is a cultural consensus in the West that rock and roll should be written by theperformer whereas composers of classical music may also perform, but it is not expectedthat they do so
Hypocritical indeed
This, in turn, reflects on larger culturalconceptions concerning the superiority of group effort over individualism.
In Western countries like the US we really base a lot of successes off individualism. This is an interesting point.
Mandopop, as an enduring if always shifting marker of modernity, shouldalso be given its own space as an alternate cultural/musical form.
That's true, it isn't fair to just compare it to everything else.
In the above examples, Westerners tend to sum up Asian pop music as amirror of Western identities, with the West at top of the transnational hierarchy
Sometimes the West gets a little cocky. I'm sorry on our behalf
econd, they assume that what Taiwan has to offer is an integration of traditionalChinese sounds and instrumentation, thereby attempting to force Taiwan into theposition of representing a Chinese minority through their association with traditional‘ethnic’ music
Western scholars struggle with underlying ethnocentrism and assuming Taiwan only offers cultural diversity through Chinese culture (not Taiwanese)
lthough they do not express concern with thepernicious degenerate effects of pop, they quickly dismiss it with the implicit critiquethat it does not live up to the authors’ Western expectations of what the music shouldbe.
Westerners don't think Mandopop lives up to good music standards
f this analysis seems more familiar to a Western reader than the PRC rhetoricoutlined above, it is because of the dramatic influence that Western political andacademic developments have had on Taiwan’s growing feminist movement
Feminist movement is worldwide, Taiwan might not be happy the West started it
. Somewhat predictably, Liu linksthe pace of change in both music and society with ‘foreign influences’ (
pop songs changing with society, just like America. "Nothing beats the classics, nowadays pop is crap" kinda thing seems to be in Taiwan too
Taiwan’s scholarship shares this last set of concerns. Liang Hongbin, forexample, uses Mandopop as an emblem to express a fear that Taiwan is losing itscultural identity because it has absorbed so many influences from countries such asJapan, Korea and the US (
So not only is PRC not on board, Taiwan is scared to lose their identity to different countries with their influential music
they only go to China to make aquick buck, concluding with the question, ‘but when they leave with their money,what is left for us’
A new taste of music? I don't understand this...it's not like they aren't getting something in return here.
Beijing rock musicians share the PRC government’s anxiety that Taiwan’sMandopop will usher in commercialised values and an ensuing loss of nationalidentity; disparaging Taiwan- and Hong Kong-style Mandopop as inauthentically‘Chinese’
Beijing rock musicians are also on the band wagon of hate. Competition and government pressure paying their ticket
The lyrics are full of sexual incitements and dissolute and licentious interests [. . .] The use ofstrong rhythms and ‘slippery’ sounds enforces the effects of frivolity and sexual arousement[sic]. Moral decline, a life sunk in drunkenness and dreams, and hysterical behavior are allshown through the use of great wave-like trills of reeds and throaty musings of saxophones.
They got all of that through the use of saxophones? That's a little bit of a stretch
In the 1980s, people in the PRC could be arrested simply for listening to Mandopopfrom Taiwan which had not been authorised by the State
So no wonder it fails to be popular there
evil influences’ (
And evil!!!! Spiritual pollution!!!
too loud and too vulgar’ ( Brace1991, p. 59 ), ‘morally decadent and aesthetically empty’ ( Brace 1991, p. 43 ), and goingso far as to label the music as pornography
PRC says: too loud, too vulgar, morally decadent, aesthetically empty, pornography
Taiwan’s Mandopop was atthe forefront of the PRC’s introduction to the outside world.3
Okay, so what's gone wrong in the past 30ish years?
This article willexplore the cultural biases of such critiques ( including comments made in the PRC,Taiwan, and in English language publications ) in the hopes of coming to a betterunderstanding of why the largest population in the world’s favourite music is soreadily dismissed.
I'm not surprised the PRC doesn't approve. Unless it's in their national agenda, I figured they would denounce such music.
In spite of its wild popularity, Taiwan’smusical production has virtually been ignored in English language scholarship.Taiwan’s music sales are the third largest in Asia – behind Japan and South Korea butahead of much bigger countries such as the People’s Republic of China ( PRC ) andIndia
Though I wouldn't consider myself very cultured, this makes sense. I've never heard Taiwan's music before. That's crazy it has been ignored though if it is this popular...
These highly commoditized performers are young, good-looking, stylish, and usually possesslittle or no talent at all.
What else is auto-tune for??
Taiwan’s scholars have critiqued Mandopop for promoting patriarchal gender roles, and Englishlanguage publications complain of a lack of individualism in that songs are produced in teams ofcomposers, lyricists and performers.
Taiwan doesn't like Mandopop patriarchy English don't like lack of individuals in Mandopop
Mandopop ( Mandarin Chinesepop music
Mandopop = Mandarin Chinese Pop Music