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  1. Nov 2020
    1. There is only a transcendence of it. For all our rhetoric, hate will never be destroyed. Hate, as our predecessors knew better, can merely be overcome

      He is right, it will never truly be destroyed but I have the hope that one day it will be overcome.

    2. Sure, we can help create a climate in which such hate is disapproved of -- and we should. But there is a danger that if we go too far, if we punish it too much, if we try to abolish it altogether, we may merely increase its mystique, and entrench the very categories of human difference that we are trying to erase.

      I think there shouldn't be punishment of those that were ignorant in their actions. But we can send a strong message of disapproval.

    3. Do we not owe something more to the victims of hate? Perhaps we do. But it is also true that there is nothing that government can do for the hated that the hated cannot better do for themselves.

      I think the government can condemn hate groups and punish those that take part in hate crimes...in any way to send a message. That is probably why they exist.

    4. But after that, in an increasingly diverse culture, it is crazy to expect that hate, in all its variety, can be eradicated. A free country will always mean a hateful country. This may not be fair, or perfect, or admirable, but it is reality, and while we need not endorse it, we should not delude ourselves into thinking we can prevent it. That is surely the distinction between toleration and tolerance. Tolerance is the eradication of hate; toleration is co-existence despite it. We might do better as a culture and as a polity if we concentrated more on achieving the latter rather than the former. We would certainly be less frustrated

      This is an interesting take

    5. Anyone who argues that America is as inhospitable to minorities and to women today as it has been in the past has not read much history

      Things have become better, however we still have long way to go and the last 20 years has proven that,

    6. And we should, of course, be vigilant that our most powerful institutions, most notably the government, do not actively or formally propagate hatred; and insure that the violent expression of hate is curtailed by the same rules that punish all violent expression

      Once again, I'd love to know his thoughts over the last 4 years.

    7. The boundaries between hate and prejudice and between prejudice and opinion and between opinion and truth are so complicated and blurred that any attempt to construct legal and political fire walls is a doomed and illiberal venture

      I agree with the complexity behind all these. However, sometimes it is black and white and there should be legal and political fire walls to stop them from continuing.

    8. In an attempt to repudiate a past that treated people differently because of the color of their skin, or their sex, or religion or sexual orientation, we may merely create a future that permanently treats people differently because of the color of their skin, or their sex, religion or sexual orientation. This notion of a hate crime, and the concept of hate that lies behind it, takes a psychological mystery and turns it into a facile political artifact. Rather than compounding this error and extending even further, we should seriously consider repealing the concept altogether.

      I don't believe I agree with this. I think even if it's nor murder, if someone commits a hate crime, it should be known. That way we can prevent them further.

    9. Murder, which dominates media coverage of hate crimes, is a tiny proportion of the total. Of the 8,049 hate crimes reported to the F.B.I. in 1997, a total of eight were murders.

      Well, we are way over 8 murders that involved hate crimes this year alone.

    10. Yet even if they are faulty as an absolute number, they do not show an epidemic of ''hate crimes'' in the 1990's

      Personally I think they were more underreported in the 90's then they are in modern day America.

    11. Hate-crime-law advocates counter that extra penalties should be imposed on hate crimes because our society is experiencing an ''epidemic'' of such crimes. Mercifully, there is no hard evidence to support this notion

      Eh, once again I'd love to know his opinion in 2020 and if he has any hard evidence that he needs.

    12. If, as a solution to this problem, everyone, except the white straight able-bodied male, is regarded as a possible victim of a hate crime, then we have simply created a two-tier system of justice in which racial profiling is reversed, and white straight men are presumed guilty before being proven innocent, and members of minorities are free to hate them as gleefully as they like. But if we include the white straight male in the litany of potential victims, then we have effectively abolished the notion of a hate crime altogether. For if every crime is possibly a hate crime, then it is simply another name for crime. All we will have done is widened the search for possible bigotry, ratcheted up the sentences for everyone and filled the jails up even further.

      I see what he is trying to say but I don't agree. I understand the double standard and I am sure that straight white men can absolutely feel racism and sexism. However, that does mean every crime is a hate crime. You can't umbrella it in that way.

    13. Rape, for example, is not classified as a ''hate crime'' under most existing laws, pitting feminists against ethnic groups in a battle for recognition.

      Really?

    14. To equate a population once subjected to slavery with a population of Mexican immigrants or third-generation Holocaust survivors is to equate the unequatable. In fact, it is to set up a contest of vulnerability in which one group vies with another to establish its particular variety of suffering, a contest that can have no dignified solution.

      I would agree with him here.

    15. Which crime was more frightening to more people this summer: the mentally ill Buford Furrow's crazed attacks in Los Angeles, killing one, or Mark Barton's murder of his own family and several random day-traders in Atlanta, killing 12? Almost certainly the latter. But only Furrow was guilty of ''hate.'

      I think I realize his argument of how all crimes can be categorized as "hate." However the one that killed his family and 12 other people didn't do it because of their race, sex or origination.

    16. In fact, a purely random murder may be even more terrifying than a targeted one, since the entire community, and not just a part of it, feels threatened

      So it's okay for one part of the community to be on high alert because all parts of the community aren't? I can see where he is trying to go with this but I don't agree.

    17. But under the law after hate crimes, a decision is essential. A decade ago, a murder was a murder. Now, in the era when group hate has emerged as our cardinal social sin, it all depends.

      I think murder is murder. However the classicization can matter when it comes to punishment or trying to prove murder.

    18. Neither of these killings was deemed a hate crime, and neither would be designated as such under any existing hate-crime law. Perhaps because of this, one crime is an international legend; the other two are virtually unheard of

      Most often hate crimes do get more attention because it's based on hate. The incident with the 15 year old can be described as a domestic violence crime (gross age difference) and the one with the 8 year old is a sex crime. All these crimes don't get the attention that they should. Why do some kidnappings get more attention then others?

    19. It is designed to wound personally, and it often does. But its intensity comes in part, one senses, from the pain of being excluded for so long, of anger long restrained bubbling up and directing itself more aggressively toward an alleged traitor than an alleged enemy. It is the hate of the hated.

      Like I said before, hurt people, hurt people. Does not make it right,

    20. Racism is everywhere, but the already victimized might be more desperate, more willing to express it violently. And so more prone to come under the suspicious eye of the law.

      I agree that racism is everywhere. But I don't agree that the victimized is more willing to express violently.

    21. So may other forms of minority loathing -- especially hatred within minorities. I'm sure that black conservatives like Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell have experienced their fair share of white racism. But I wonder whether it has ever reached the level of intensity of the hatred directed toward them by other blacks? In several years of being an openly gay writer and editor, I have experienced the gamut of responses to my sexual orientation. But I have only directly experienced articulated, passionate hate from other homosexuals. I have been accused over the years by other homosexuals of being a sellout, a hypocrite, a traitor, a sexist, a racist, a narcissist, a snob. I've been called selfish, callous, hateful, self-hating and malevolent. At a reading, a group of lesbian activists portrayed my face on a poster within the crossfires of a gun. Nothing from the religious right has come close to such vehemence.

      He makes a far point when saying this.

    22. You may not need to. For this reason, most white racism may be more influential in society than most black racism -- but also more calmly expressed.

      Eh, this is messy.

    23. It was written by Nathan McCall, an African-American who later in life became a successful journalist at The Washington Post and published his memoir of this ''hate crime'' to much acclaim

      Neither of these don't make me feel better. Both equally make me feel like the person doing the crime needs help.

    24. ''The act male homosexuals commit is ugly and repugnant and afterwards they are disgusted with themselves. They drink and take drugs to palliate this, but they are disgusted with the act and they are always changing partners and cannot be really happy.'' The thoughts of Pat Robertson or Patrick Buchanan? Actually that sentence was written by Gertrude Stein, one of the century's most notable lesbians

      Maybe she thought that way because the thought of sleeping with a man brings those feelings up for. Also, drugs and casual sex is huge in the gay community. But isn't the casual sex thing a man thing anyways? It's ore primal?

    25. ''Recovering Catholic'' on them, hot items among some gay and lesbian activists? The implication that someone's religious faith is a mental illness is clearly an expression of contempt. If that isn't covered under the definition of hate speech, what is?

      I don't believe people who call themselves "recovering Catholics," think its a mental illness. That's a little rash. The Catholic religion ( I am sure like others but can only speak on what I know), says you are going to hell if you don't follow their ways. And the Catholic guilt is real.

    26. it seems clear enough to me that Kushner is expressing hate toward the institution of the Catholic Church, and all those who perpetuate its doctrines.

      I think he is speaking about the Pope and those that have the same ideology. Not all Catholics agree or feel the same as this Pope at the time. In fact, the new Pope just came out in support of gay marriage.

    27. It was themainly gay AIDS activist group Act Up that perpetrated the hateful act of desecrating Communion hosts at a Mass at St Patrick's Cathedral in New York. And here is the playwright Tony Kushner, who is gay, responding to the Matthew Shepard beating in The Nation magazine: ''Pope John Paul II endorses murder. He, too, knows the price of discrimination, having declared anti-Semitism a sin. . . . He knows that discrimination kills. But when the Pope heard the news about Matthew Shepard, he, too, worried about spin. And so, on the subject of gay-bashing, the Pope and his cardinals and his bishops and priests maintain their cynical political silence. . . . To remain silent is to endorse murder.'' Kushner went on to describe the Pope as a ''homicidal liar.'

      Okay here is my bias. I can see why the gay community might hate the Catholic church. We have only been told we are going to hell for being who we are. So maybe if the oppressors didn't oppressors', there would be no need for victims to act hateful towards them.

    28. That question becomes all the more difficult when we notice that it is often minorities who commit some of the most hate-filled offenses against what they see as their oppressors.

      From what I am gathering is that he is looking at racism from a white mans point of view. Just because a person is gay, black, Mexican or a woman doesn't mean that they can't hold prejudice thoughts/ behavior.

    29. It means merely that hate goes both ways; and if you try to regulate it among some, you will find yourself forced to regulate it among others.

      Hate does go both ways. I think you can try and regulate it no matter what. This is when context and facts is very important.

    30. This climate of hostility doesn't excuse the actions of Klebold and Harris, but it does provide a more plausible context. If they had been black, had routinely been called ''nigger'' in the school and had then exploded into a shooting spree against white students, the response to the matter might well have been different. But the hate would have been the same

      I mean he makes a far point. It would be horrific nonetheless but the narrative would have changed.

    31. In America in the 1990's, blacks were up to three times as likely as whites to commit a hate crime, to express their hate by physically attacking their targets or their property. Just as sexual abusers have often been victims of sexual abuse, and wife-beaters often grew up in violent households, so hate criminals may often be members of hated groups.

      I thought this is a prime example of how hurt people hurt people.

    32. This is deliberate. The theorists behind these ''isms'' want to ascribe all blame to one group in society -- the ''oppressors'' -- and render specific others -- the ''victims'' -- completely blameless. And they want to do this in order in part to side unequivocally with the underdog. But it doesn't take a genius to see how this approach, too, can generate its own form of bias. It can justify blanket condemnations of whole groups of people -- white straight males for example -- purely because of the color of their skin or the nature of their sexual orientation. And it can condescendingly ascribe innocence to whole groups of others. It does exactly what hate does: it hammers the uniqueness of each individual into the anvil of group identity. And it postures morally over the result.

      Aren't the oppressors to blame and the victims blameless? If there wasn't oppressors, then wouldn't there be no victims?

      And there are great straight white men that aren't bias. However, we live in a straight white man world still. So excuse me if I am not crying any tears over the shit they might be getting.

    33. All three are essentially cookie-cutter formulas that try to understand human impulses merely through the one-dimensional identity of the victims, rather than through the thoughts and feelings of the haters and hated.

      It sounds like all hate groups and ideology can be intertwined.

    34. the murderers of Matthew Shepard seem to have had a different impulse: a visceral disgust at the thought of any sexual contact with an effeminate homosexual. Their anger was mixed with mockery, as the cruel spectacle at the side of the road suggested.

      The same men who are disgusted when two gay men show affection are dogs when two lesbians show affection. It's total bullshit. and another way women are sexualized.

    35. The soldier who beat his fellow soldier Barry Winchell to death with a baseball bat in July had earlier lost a fight to him. It was the image of a macho gay man -- and the shame of being bested by him -- that the vengeful soldier had to obliterate, even if he needed a gang of accomplices and a weapon to do so.

      Often some men have a complex and can't handle being bested by not only a gay man but also a woman. I wish men's thinking would change around this.

    36. So the unawareness of women is sometimes commingled with a deep longing or contempt for them.

      That pretty much sums up the struggle women are still dealing with in society. My biggest question how much better has it really gotten? I hope with electing a woman for Vice President, this will change even more. Sadly, our young men are still being taught sexist ideology.

    37. If homosexuals were granted equality, then the hysterical gay-hater might panic that his repressed passions would run out of control, overwhelming him and the world he inhabits

      This paragraph touches on a previous point about how some homosexual hate crimes are based on suppressing homosexual feelings. Which is sad that society still pressures people (mainly men) to hid who they truly are. Or to tell them that experimenting is "unnatural."

    38. If you read material from the Family Research Council, it is clear that the group regards homosexuals as similar contaminants. A recent posting on its Web site about syphilis among gay men was headlined, ''Unclean.'

      The terms describe here are all used as degrading terms people use to classify a group that they hate. It sort of reminds me of the rhetoric that America has been listening to in the last four years. That in a way slowly was normalized.

    39. psychotherapist Elisabeth Young-Bruehl proposes a typology of three distinct kinds of hate: obsessive, hysterical and narcissistic. It's not an exhaustive analysis, but it's a beginning in any serious attempt to understand hate rather than merely declaring war on it.

      To fix any problem, someone first has to be aware of it and then understand it.

    40. Sexism isn't, properly speaking, a prejudice at all. Few men live without knowledge or constant awareness of women. Every single sexist man was born of a woman, and is likely to be sexually attracted to women. His hostility is going to be very different than that of, say, a reclusive member of the Aryan Nations toward Jews he has never met.

      Well, let me unpack this. Not all men, but a lot of men are sexist. Men can be sexist without even realizing they are being sexist. No matter how much they love their mother or how attracted to women they are. I think that they one of the main ways the hostilities can be different is some men are sexist subconsciously. It still can equate to the same hostile feelings.

    41. It cannot easily be compared with, for example, the resilience of anti-Semitism in Japan, or hostility to immigration in areas where immigrants are unknown, or fear of homosexuals by people who have never knowingly met one.

      People sometimes fear what they are unfamiliar with. That's why it is important to teach our children that no matter how different we are, we all deserve respect and love.

    42. It is one of the most foolish cliches of our time that prejudice is always rooted in ignorance, and can usually be overcome by familiarity with the objects of our loathing.

      Cliché, but very true. Most things that are cliché, are cliché for a reason.

    43. the hate that comes from knowledge is always different from the hate that comes from ignorance

      How true is this. I know it was for me. Knowledge unlocks certain feelings when you learn how poorly certain cultures have been treated.

    44. Hate, like much of human feeling, is not rational, but it usually has its reasons.

      I have been told that feelings aren't permanent nor are they rational. Which I have mixed feelings about.

    45. They tell us merely the identities of the victims; they don't reveal the identities of the perpetrators, or what they think, or how they feel

      I agree and also disagree with this. In my opinion, they can real the identities of the perpetrators in a general way. Also, I believe one can assume how they think and feel depending on the "ism."

    46. Most hate is more common and more complicated, with as many varieties as there are varieties of love. Just as there is possessive love and needy love; family love and friendship; romantic love and unrequited love; passion and respect, affection and obsession, so hatred has its shadings. There is hate that fears, and hate that merely feels contempt; there is hate that expresses power, and hate that comes from powerlessness; there is revenge, and there is hate that comes from envy. There is hate that was love, and hate that is a curious expression of love. There is hate of the other, and hate of something that reminds us too much of ourselves. There is the oppressor's hate, and the victim's hate. There is hate that burns slowly, and hate that fades. And there is hate that explodes, and hate that never catches fire.

      Wow. He broke the different types or hate and love down very thoroughly.

    47. in a country where out of several million Jewish Americans, a total of 66 were reported by the F.B.I. as the targets of hate-crime assaults in 1997.

      That is a very sobering statistic.

    48. But this brand of hatred is mercifully rare in the United States.

      I wonder what his thoughts about this statement are today in our current society. Was it really rare 21 years ago, or was it just not reported widely that it is now?

    49. And when we talk about hate, we often mean this kind of phenomenon.

      I think hate comes in many forms. It's difficult sometimes to determine if something is ignorance, bias, or hate. With saying that, the examples of Sartre and Smith are clear examples of pure hate.

    50. I have to ask myself in the same, frustrating kind of way: are they liberal bigots or bigoted liberals? Or are they neither bigots nor liberals, but merely people?

      Fair questions to ask.

    51. He reminds me of conservative friends who oppose almost every measure for homosexual equality yet genuinely delight in the company of their gay friends. It would be easier for me to think of them as haters, and on paper, perhaps, there is a good case that they are. But in real life, I know they are not. Some of them clearly harbor no real malice toward me or other homosexuals whatsoever.

      Once again, just because someone has gay friends or family, doesn't make them a fan of equality. Just like just because someone has black friends, it doesn't make them not racist.

    52. What would our modern view of hate do with Mencken? Probably ignore him, or change the subject. But, with regard to hate, I know lots of people like Mencken

      Reading this sentence makes me see how far we actually have come. I don't believe in our current climate that he would simply be ignored nor would the subject be changed.

    53. Mencken published many black authors in his magazine, The Mercury, and lobbied on their behalf with his publisher, Alfred A. Knopf. The last thing Mencken ever wrote was a diatribe against racial segregation in Baltimore's public parks. He was good friends with leading black writers and journalists, including James Weldon Johnson, Walter White and George S. Schuyler, and played an underappreciated role in promoting the Harlem Renaissance.

      So was his opinion on race or women? Did he single out African American women when he meant all women?

    54. ''It is impossible,'' he wrote in his diary, ''to talk anything resembling discretion or judgment into a colored woman. They are all essentially childlike,

      Another ignorant man trying to paint African American women in a poor way.

    55. by taking the horrific lynching of a black man as a spontaneous object of humor, the men were clearly advocating indifference to it. Was this an aberrant excess? Or the real truth about the men's feelings toward African-Americans? Hate or tastelessness? And how on earth is anyone, even perhaps the firefighters themselves, going to know for sure?

      I think it is murky. It might not have been outright hate. Maybe if these men educated themselves on the history of lynching and the horrific way African Americans have been treated, they wouldn't find it appropriate to make a float depicting these things.

    56. Their display was not aimed at any particular black people

      James Byrd was a specific black person that they mocked the death of in their float. One count say that it was aimed towards him or even his family.

    57. It's an interesting case, because the float was indisputably in bad taste and the improvisation on the Byrd killing was grotesque. But was it hate

      It was ignorant to say the very least.

    58. Beginning in 1995, they won prizes for floats depicting ''Hasidic Park,'' ''Gooks of Hazzard'' and ''Happy Gays.'' Last year, they called their float ''Black to the Future, Broad Channel 2098.'' They imagined their community a century hence as a largely black enclave, with every stereotype imaginable: watermelons, basketballs and so on. At one point during the parade, one of them mimicked the dragging death of James Byrd. It was caught on videotape, and before long the entire community was depicted as a caldron of hate.

      It's so crazy to think how just 25 years ago, this type of stereotypes were mainstream. Thankfully, it has gotten better but we are still a very long way in certain parts of the country. And the James Byrd mimic is outrageous.

    59. The police were called, and the son was eventually convicted of a hate-motivated assault, a felony. But what was the nature of the hate: anti-gay bias, or suburban property-owner madness?

      I think it started as a crazy neighbor battle but then turned into anti- gay bias. It's one thing to go to "war" with a neighbor but when personal attacks come into the mix, that crosses an unnecessary line.

    60. The mindless need to be mad at someone -- anyone -- or the unconscious eruption of a darker prejudice festering within?

      I think it can be both, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

    61. But then a car cuts you off at an intersection and you find yourself noticing immediately that the driver is a woman, or black, or old, or fat, or white, or male

      Subconscious bias that I think most people have. Some are more aware of it then others.

    62. Or you are walking down a city street at night and hear footsteps quickening behind you. You look around and see that it is a white woman and not a black man, and you are instantly relieved

      As a woman, I don't give a shit if it's a blue man... I am relived when it's not a man. No matter what race.

    63. It was a matter of survival. And even today it seems impossible to feel a loyalty without also feeling a disloyalty, a sense of belonging without an equal sense of unbelonging.

      I think this feeling can exist in any generation as long as people perpetuates hate.

    64. Hate is everywhere. Human beings generalize all the time, ahead of time, about everyone and everything. A large part of it may even be hard-wired

      There is hate everywhere, which is sad. At one point I thought America was changing, but I am not sure. There have been victories to combated hate, but I think we have gone backwards in many ways.

    65. It is better to leave some unwinnable wars unfought.

      I think it depends on the war. When it comes to combating hate or human rights, even the most unwinnable wars are worth fighting.

    66. Then waging war against it is almost certainly unconstitutional.

      Is it unconstitutional? I think the argument can go both ways. Then again, I should do more research on the constitution before making a statement like that.

    67. A single word, after all, tells us less, not more. For all its emotional punch, ''hate'' is far less nuanced an idea than prejudice, or bigotry, or bias, or anger, or even mere aversion to others

      This is a really interesting thought. Is it less nuanced then those other words? Or is it an umbrella term and has just as much meaning?

    68. ''Hate arrived in the neighborhoods of Indiana University, in Bloomington, in the early-morning darkness.''

      This reminds me of a Ted Bundy new article that worded things similarly.

    69. sexual assaults in Woodstock '99's mosh pit. ''But this was an orgy of lewdness tinged with hate.''

      I am not sure if this would fall under a sexual hate crime. They definitely do exist but this sounds like a little far fetched. Then again, is all sexual assaults' a hate crime?

    70. In 1985, there were 11 mentions of ''hate crimes'' in the national media database Nexis. By 1990, there were more than a thousand. In the first six months of 1999,

      I wonder what the statistics are around these numbers today. Or maybe I don't even want to know.

    71. I find myself wondering what hate actually is in part because we have created an entirely new offense in American criminal law -- a ''hate crime'' -- to combat it

      I like where he is going with this. It's a very complex thought that can be construed in many different ways

    72. New York's Mayor, Rudolph Giuliani, recently tried to stop the Million Youth March in Harlem on the grounds that the event was organized by people ''involved in hate marches and hate rhetoric.''

      I can't even read his name anymore without thinking what a joke this man actually is. Was he always crazy?

    73. we seem at times to have no better idea now than we ever had of what exactly they were about. About what that moment means when, for some reason or other, one human being asserts absolute, immutable superiority over another.

      He isn't wrong about this. It can be difficult for myself to wrap my head around hate crimes. Then again, I am really glad I don't understand why people do these crimes.

    74. And what was it when Buford Furrow Jr., longtime member of the Aryan Nations, calmly walked up to a Filipino-American mailman he happened to spot, asked him to mail a letter and then shot him at point-blank range? Or when Russell Henderson beat Matthew Shepard, a young gay man, to a pulp, removed his shoes and then, with the help of a friend, tied him to a post, like a dead coyote, to warn off others?

      It's really disgusting how some people have so much hate and fear within them to do this. Sometimes I won 't if hate crimes against the LGBTQ+ community happen because the perpetrator is projecting. Maybe not in all cases, but I am sure in many.

    75. I am still drawn, again and again, to the flash of ignition, the moment when fear and loathing became hate, the instant of transformation when King became hunter and Byrd became prey.

      This is such a great question. I think it is interesting learning about crimes and identifying the when and why someone became the way they did.

    76. When King was offered a chance to say something to Byrd's family at the trial, he smirked and uttered an obscenity.

      How is it that some people have so much hate in them?

    77. Pathologists at King's trial testified that Byrd was probably alive and conscious until his body finally hit a culvert and split in two.

      Wow, what a horrible way to die.

    78. I wonder what was going on in John William King's head two years ago when he tied James Byrd Jr.'s feet to the back of a pickup truck and dragged him three miles down a road in rural Texas. King and two friends had picked up Byrd, who was black, when he was walking home, half-drunk, from a party. As part of a bonding ritual in their fledgling white supremacist group, the three men took Byrd to a remote part of town, beat him and chained his legs together before attaching them to the truck.

      This story was a good opening, it has me engaged with what he wants to say. Also, disgusted but this is a clear example of a hate crime.