will tell you of a shower ofbenefits which the heavens
Benefit of the heavens to be a reward for the just
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Still grander are the gifts of heaven which Musaeus and his son vouchsafe to the just; they take them downinto the world below
Believed reward for the just is to be a sort of paradise after death.
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polish them up for the decision, first one andthen the other, as if they were two statues
I agree that the just and unjust man are skewed or biased like a statue.
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being just and seeming to be unjust
I do not agree with this view of justice. I think it's possible to be just and seem to be just. The outside perspective should have a different effect than purely needing to be seen as unjust.
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Aeschylus says, to be and notto seem good
Is Plato only speaking of Justice in Aeschylus' terms?
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hewould be thought by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to oneanother's faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too might suffer injustice.Enough of this
Conversely the man who doesn't use the ring would be praised openly but talked ill of behind doors for wasting the power.
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injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice,
This furthers Plato's point that a man not subject to justice would do the "unjust" action
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in all respects be like a God among men
This entire story is basically: People would be a god amongst men and would not subject themselves to justice if they could not be punished for their actions.
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which is to do injustice and not be punished, and the worst of all, which is to suffer injusticewithout the power of retaliation
Why does he call doing injustice with no repercussion best? and why suffering from injustice with no way to retaliate as worst?
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And so when men have both done and suffered injustice and have had experience of both, not beingable to avoid the one and obtain the other, they think that they had better agree among themselves to haveneither; hence there arise laws and mutual covenants; and that which is ordained by law is termed by themlawful and just. This they affirm to be the origin and nature of justice;—it is a mean or compromise
Plato views justice as an average and compromise between doing and suffering something bad
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Perhaps they may have come across imitatorsand been deceived by them; they may not have remembered when they saw their works that these were butimitations thrice removed from the truth, and could easily be made without any knowledge of the truth
People's account of an event may not be fully accurate.
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Would he allow imitation to be the ruling principle ofhis life, as if he had nothing higher in him?
In order for an imitation to be made there must be a higher form that it is derived from.
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Of appearance
Plato only views art in its appearance rather than what feelings, emotions, thoughts it evokes.
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And the tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other imitators, he is thrice removed from the kingand from the truth?
The artist is an imitator of an imitator making it vastly inferior to the true form
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Because even if He had made but two, a third would still appear behind them which both of them wouldhave for their idea, and that would be the ideal bed and not the two others
He views the form made by God/nature as being of one almighty form. If there were 2 one would have to appear to be the best. There must be a best form and only one best form.
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An easy way enough; or rather, there are many ways in which the feat might be quickly and easilyaccomplished, none quicker than that of turning a mirror round and round—you would soon enough make thesun and the heavens, and the earth and yourself, and other animals and plants, and all the other things ofwhich we were just now speaking, in the mirror
Rather interestingly, even mirrors are not spared from Plato's disdain. Despite them having the most accurate replication of reality.
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he cannot make true existence, but only some semblance ofexistence
Art is only an imitation of reality it cannot fully replicate it, only in image
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d, the maker of the bed,and the painter
The 3 orders of truth: God (highest), the maker (second highest), artist (Last)
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