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  1. Nov 2019
    1. animal

      Is this referring more to the root of the word animal. And ties to the word, animate: alive or having life. Aristotle makes the distinction between certain animals and then 'anima' at its core.

    2. We agree with them in saying that nothing comes to be without qualification from what is not

      This is confusing, because there are seemingly infinite things that something can be qualified as 'not being'.

    3. et us, then, give our own account of coming to be, in the following way. And first let us deal with all of coming to be; for the natural procedure is to speak first about what is common to every case, and then to study what is special to each case

      I read this as, the first account of 'coming to be' are the physical attributes that make up all human beings. But then the second coming to be which is special to each case, seems to encapsulate the unique qualities which make up each individual.

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    1. But one might be puzzled about whether cognition of the immediate principles is or is not the same <as knowledge of truths derived from them>; whether there is knowledge of each, or knowledge of one but something else of the other; and whether 25 the states are acquired rather than <innately> present in us without our noticing them. I

      This seems to ask whether there are different types of knowledge and if there is a difference between 'cognition' which could be simply learning, or recollection vs true 'knowledge' which is something more.

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    1. oth knowledge and truth are beautiful things, but the good is other and more beautiful than they. In the visible realm, light and sight are rightly considered sunlike, but it is 509 wrong to think that they are the sun, so here it is right to think of knowl-edge and truth as goodlike but wrong to think that either of them is the good-for the good is yet more pri

      Things that are inherently good are more 'beautiful' than either truth or beauty themselves.. The visible realm seems to be the world alternate to the world of the forms. And things can have a likeness toward something, but that doesn't mean that they are that thing itself. I relate the example of light and sight to the sun, without being sun, to qualities that bees have and its 'beeness'

    2. rates, you must also tell us whether you consider the good to be knowledge or pleasure or something else altogether.

      I thought that it was already defined as knowledge... A bit confused by this contradiction.

    3. s youths and children, they should put their minds to youthful education and philosophy and take care of their bodies at a time when they are growing into manhood, so as to acquire a helper for philosophy. As they grow older and their souls began to reach maturity, they should increase their mental exercises

      So the thought is that philosophy should be taught at a young age, and then exercise of the body should come secondary... This actually makes some sense! Because as our bodies deteriorate we can prioritize exercising them after already having exercised the mind and soul previously.

    4. hen there remains, Adeimantus, only a very small group who con-sort with philosophy in a way that's worthy of her

      It's interesting to see how Philosophy is characterized as female throughout this reading.

    5. espite her present poor state, philosophy is still more high-minded than these other crafts, so that many people with defective natures desire to possess her, even though their souls are cramped and spoiled by the mechanical nature of their work, in just the way that their e bodies are mutilated by their crafts and labors

      Philosophy is good for the soul!

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  2. Oct 2019
    1. but their thought is unable to see and embrace the nature of the beautiful itsel

      Plato makes the distinction between regular people who just see things as the way the appear in the world, and then philosophers who see things in their true "form"

    2. And the same account is true of the just and the unjust, the good and the bad, and all the forms. Each of them is itself one, but because they man-ifest themselves everywhere in association with actions, bodies, and one another, each of them appears to be many.

      Here Plato introduces the theory of the Forms in his Republic

    3. And surely it's also obvious that a younger person won't strike or do any sort of violence to an older one or fail to show him respect in other ways, unless the rulers command it, for there are two guardians sufficient to prevent him from doing such things-shame and fear.

      It seems like Plato's use of the term 'guardian' is slightly different here. Is it applied only to rulers? Or both rulers and warriors?

    4. Isn't it obviously the women exercising naked in the palestras3 with the men? And not just the young women, but the older ones too-like old men in gymnasiums who, b even though their bodies are wrinkled and not pleasant to look at, still love to do physical training.

      such gendered language... Oh how the times have changed!

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    1. s are pregnant,Socrates, both in body and in soul, and, as soon as we come to a certainage, we naturally desire to give birth. Now no one can possibly give birthin anything ugly; only in something beautiful.

      Well this is a new idea...

    2. t’s because we divide out aspecial kind of love, and we refer to it by the word that means the whole—‘love’; and for the other kinds of love we use other words

      Here again we see the distinction between different kinds of love. "Whole" love like the intellectual love perhaps.

    3. In music, therefore, as well as in medicine and in all the other domains,in matters divine as well as in human affairs, we must attend with thegreatest possible care to these two species of Love, which are, indeed, to be188found everywhere.

      Is this eluding again to the world of the forms?

    4. In short, medicine is simply the science of the effects of Love on reple-dtion and depletion of the body, and the hallmark of the accomplishedphysician is his ability to distinguish the Love that is noble from the Lovethat is ugly and disgraceful.

      This is something that I never would have thought about prior. Medicine as the science of the effects of love? Perhaps the definition of Love in this case should more be associated with proper bodily functions. And the harmony that comes from having a healthy body.

    5. In view of all this, you might well conclude that in our city we considerthe lover’s desire and the willingness to satisfy it as the noblest things inthe world.

      I would like a more pointed definition as to what they mean by 'noble' in this context

    6. The well-ordered and wise soul follows the guide and is not withoutfamiliarity with its surroundings, but the soul that is passionately attachedto the body,

      Here it does seem like the body is regarded. And seen complimentary to the soul!

    7. This then is the nature of the earth as a whole and of its surroundings;around the whole of it there are many regions in the hollows; some aredeeper and more open than that in which we live; others are deeper andhave a narrower opening than ours, and there are some that have lessddepth and more width. All these are connected with each other below thesurface of the earth in many places by narrow and broader channels, andthus have outlets through which much water flows from one to another asinto mixing bowls

      This shows themes of deeper interconnectedness

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    1. irtue would be neither an inborn quality nor taught, but come to those who possess it as a gift from the gods which is not accompanied by understand-ing

      So you either have virtue or you don't? And it is not something that can be taught... interesting.

    2. And that only these two things, true belief and knowledge, guide cor-99 rectly, and that if a man possesses these he gives correct guidance? The things that turn out right by some chance are not due to human guidance, but where there is correct human guidance it is due to two things, true belief or knowledge?-I think that is so

      Teaching is seen as human guidance here?

    3. I will tell you, Meno. I am not saying that it is wrong to say that virtue is teachable if it is knowledge, but look whether it is reasonable of me, to doubt whether it is knowledge. Tell me this: if not only virtue but anything whatever can be taught, should there not be of necessity people who teach it and people who learn it?-I think so

      This seems to question the definition of virtue. Also, in terms of the necessity of said 'teachers', perhaps they are more just people who aid in the recollection of pre-existing knowledge that has yet to be realized.

    4. Then if the truth about reality is always in our soul, the soul would be immortal so that you should always confidently try to seek out and rec-ollect what you do not know at present-that is, what you do not rec-ollect

      Could learning just be weaving together a thread of many recolletions? Not necessarily drawing from a single recollection.

    5. No one then wants what is bad, Meno, unless he wants to be such. For what else is being miserable but to desire bad things and secure them

      It is possible to value something, perceive it as virtuous, and acquire it, then go on to understand that it makes you ultimately miserable.

    6. I think, Socrates, that virtue is, as the poet says, "to find joy in beautiful things and have power." So I say that virtue is to desire beautiful things and have the power to acquire them

      This definition of virtue seems highly subjective to the individual. Additionally, it seems in contrast to things that Socrates previously deemed valuable, such as trying to procure an explicit definition of what makes something virtuous.

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    1. For if you do do that, it doesn’t seem that itwill be better for you here, or for any of your friends, or that it will be morejust or more pious. And it won’t be better for you when you arrive thereeither.

      Socrate's justification for not breaking out of prison, and potentially having a better earthly life, relies on the belief that there is an afterlife - a hell, where he would be punished instead...

    2. onetheless, ifdany Athenian—who has been admitted to adult status and has observedboth how affairs are handled in the city and ourselves, the Laws—isdissatisfied with us and wishes to leave, we grant him permission to takehis property and go wherever he pleases.

      This speaks towards the unifying nature of all laws. If one law is broken, or allowed to be broken, then does that undermine the entire system of rule following?

    3. For there’s a lot that one might say—particularly, if one were anorator—on behalf of this law we’re destroying, the one requiring that legaljudgments, once rendered, have authority. Or shall we say to them, “Yes,that’s what we intend, for the city treated us unjustly and didn’t judge ourclawsuit correctly.” Is

      It seems as though Socrates is attempting to separate the laws from the people that apply them. Can they be their own entity?

    4. onsider, then,47don’t you think it’s a sound argument that one shouldn’t value all theopinions people have, but some and not others, and not those of everyone,but those of some people and not of others?

      Where is the discrepancy in whose opinions are valued and other's not?

    5. Either one shouldn’t have children at all, or one ought to seetheir upbringing and education through to the end.

      I find it interesting to see this account of upbringing here. It is sometimes viewed that in today's society, parents are almost too invested in their children's lives. But this account demonstrates how throughout time, carful familial involvement has been prioritized.

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  3. Sep 2019

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    1. hen consider the next point. If the pious is a part of what’sjust, we must, it seems, find out what part of the just the pious is.

      It this implying that justness solely exists because of religious basis? Or can justness be developed on its own without implications of religious pious.

    2. he god-loved, on the other hand, is so because it is loved bythe gods; it’s god-loved by the very fact of being loved. But it’s not becauseit’s god-loved that it’s being loved.

      This perspective of pious, loving gods proves to be fairly different from some of the other presocratics that we have read... I wonder what caused this shift?

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    1. No one should set out to maximize his own advantage orsuppose that power used for one’s advantage is aret ̄e [virtue] andobedience to nomoi is cowardice. This is the most wicked thought, andit results in everything diametrically opposed to what is good: evil andharm.

      I wish that this was applied more in this day and age.

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    1. but the state in which the soul continues calmly and stably,disturbed by no fear or superstition or any other emotion.

      This reminds me of more Eastern philosophies such as non-attachment and meditative practices where one simply observes their state without judgement.

    2. In fact it will be clear that to know in reality what each thing islike is a matter of perplexity [or, “that people are at a loss to know inreality what each thing is like”].

      So we can never know what something is wholly because we only have our own sensory perceptions which are ever-changing?

    3. The visual impression is not formed directly in the pupil, butthe air between the eye and the object is contracted and stamped bythe seen object and by the seeing thing. For there is a continual ef-fluence from everything.

      This is an interesting shift here from discussing the infinite nature of the kosmos to the pupil and the "space between"represented as air. Also we have reference to moistness. Does this mean that are impressions are deceptive?

    4. ) Democritus holds that there is one kind of motion, that due topulsation

      I'm a bit confused by this statement, especially in comparison to the previous. So is this one motion an essential quality of a single element, but mot when they are composed of multiple?

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    1. halfthe distance, but these are infinite, and it is impossible to get throughthings that are infinite..

      This does make a bit of sense. If things are infinite then I suppose it is a false claim to say that something must reach the midpoint before the end, because there is no end and; therefore, no midpoint.

    2. since neither has any share of nothing.

      Ok, I thought I understood this fragment... until this last note. If neither has any share of nothing, does that mean they are somehow everything??

    3. they distinguished things opposite in body, andestablished signs55apart from one another—for one, the aetherial fire of flame,mild, very light, the same as itself in every direction,but not the same as the other;

      Again we see the theme of opposites that was present in Xenophanes and Heracleitus! Additionally the notion of fire as this "aetherial symbol" appears again... In this context it seems as though the fire is to be used as a guiding light and a sort of universal truth that should be considered when making judgements.

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    1. The most beautiful kosmos is a pile of things poured out atrandom

      Here we see a bit of physics coming to light. Is this eluding to entropy – universal tendency towards disorder. Oh sweet sweet chaos!

    2. Pigs rejoice in mud more than in pure water

      Although I agree, I'm slightly confused about the relevance to such observations. But perhaps this is commentary on not only pigs as animals, but humans who are acting like pigs.

    3. but looking off to thewhole heaven he declares that the one is god.

      Again we see reasoning and understanding of all things rooted in religion, but this time through a myopic lens. A singular 'god'.

    4. he gives instructions for a symposium (a drinking party)and laments the over-glorification of athletes.

      This really makes me chuckle... I guess there has been lamentation surround the over-glorification of athletes for centuries!

    5. He argued that the earth is indefinitely broadand extends downwards indefinitely, thus rejecting the view that the suntravels under the earth.

      An original thought as a "globe head"! Take that flat earthers!

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    1. What is the oracle at Delphi? Thetetractys, which is the harmony in which the Sirens sing. (b) Othersindicate what is something in the greatest degree. What is most just?To sacrifice. What is the wisest? Number, and second wisest is theperson who assigned names to things. What is the wisest thing in ourpower? Medicine. What is most beautiful? Harmony

      I'm curious to learn how much consulting was done with the oracles versus simple trust in numbers, felt perceptions, and then other more scientific and mathematic explanation of world processes.

    2. he Pythagoreans apparently rejected the Ionian methods ofinquiry, and turned from searching out the basic stuff of the universe to astudy of the form that makes it a kosmos.

      This reminds me of Anixamander's assertion of the universal form, or Aperion, but taking it one step further by relating it to mathematical theories.

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    1. he Milesiansmight make claims about the basic stuff of the cosmos, and might givearguments for these claims, but how could they claim to have knowledgeabout an original or basic state of the universe, which they had neverexperienced?

      Now comes the introduction of more generally well accepted ways of thinking such as adding scientific inquiry. However, these observations are still so new that other philosophers of the time are supplementing them with explanation still regarding the muses.

    2. From Aristotle’s comments, it is clear that he thought that Thales’ claimwas based on reasoning from observational evidence

      I find it interesting to see how even just a century later, philosophers such as Thales diverged so greatly from some of the earlier schools of thought surrounding the origin of the universe. From previous explanations revolving around gods and mythology, Thales' interpretation of the universe stemming from water is quite a stark contrast.

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