d add to this my seven daughters, as many sons, and soon my sons- and daughters-in-law!
Is it 6 of each or 7? 12 children or 14 children?
d add to this my seven daughters, as many sons, and soon my sons- and daughters-in-law!
Is it 6 of each or 7? 12 children or 14 children?
Look, Niobe comes, followed by a crowded throng, visible, in her Phrygian robes woven with gold, and as beautiful as anger will let her be. Turning her lovely head with the hair falling loose over both her shoulders, she pauses, and looks around with pride in her eyes, from her full height, saying ‘What madness, to prefer the gods you are told about to the ones you see? Why is Leto worshipped at the altars, while as yet my godhead is without its incense? Tantalus is my father, who is the only man to eat the food of the gods. My mother is one of the seven sisters, the Pleiades. Great Atlas, who carries the axis of the heavens on his shoulders, is one of my grandfathers.
She is descended from godly beings, but is she human?
ince Zeus had turned the people to stone and there was no one to bury the corpses.
Does this mean all the surronding people were turned to stone? Or does it mean the children that were turned to stone after they were slain?
Atreus had not sacrificed to her the golden lamb.
That is a long time to hold a grudge against a family line, because an ancestor did not sacrifice a golden lamb.....
it was because he saw Artemis bathing. And they say that the goddess at once transformed him into a deer, and drove the fifty dogs in his pack mad, who devoured him, not knowing who he was
Would it have changed the result if Artemis had known who he was? Or would she still kill him?
of beasts, the earth quakes and the sea also where fishes shoal. But the goddess with a bold heart turns in every direction, destroying the race of wild beasts
So Artemis hunts so much that she is destroying and eliminating the races of wild beasts, a single person able to cause the extinction of creatures.
swift-springing clover from the field of Hera for them to feed on, which also the horses of Zeus eat;
Did Hera giver Artemis permission? Or did Artemis just take the clover because her father also uses it?
which carry you lightly in your splendour, when you drive to the house of Zeus. There in the entrance you meet Hermes and Apollo. Hermes the Lord of Blessing, takes your weapons, Apollo takes whatever wild beast you bring. Or at least Apollo did before strong Alcides came, but now Phoebus no longer has this task. And the Anvil of Tiryns [ Heracles ] stands ever before the gates, waiting to see if you will come home with some fat morsel. And all the gods laugh endlessly at him and most of all his own wife’s mother, when he brings from the chariot a great bull or a wild boar, struggling to carry it by the hind foot. He admonishes you, goddess, with this stunning speech, “Shoot at the evil wild beasts, so that mortals will call you their helper like they call me. Leave deer and hares to feed upon the hills. What harm could deer and hares do? It is boars which ravage the crops of men and boars which ravage the plants; and oxen are a great curse to men. Shoot also at those.” So he spoke and swiftly busied himself in preparing the mighty beast. For although beneath a Phrygian oak tree, his flesh was made into that of a god, still he has not ceased from his gluttony. He still has that belly with which he met Theiodamas at the plough.
Firstly, it appears as if the other male gods are placed in a subordinate position to Artemis when she is arriving at her father home, then Hercules shows no fear of arguing with her about what animals she should/should not hunt. The power dynamics surprised me.
But the fourth time – it was not long before you shot at the city of unjust men, those who did many evil deeds to one another and towards strangers, cruel men, on whom you inflict your harsh wrath. Plague feeds on their cattle, frost on their crops, and the old men cut their hair in mourning for their sons, and their wives are either struck down or die in childbirth, or, if they escape, bear children cannot stand on straight ankles.
Does this mean she also has power over plague like her brother Apollo?
But one [ the Cerynitian Hind ] escaped over the river Celadon, by Hera's devising, so that it might be a labour for Heracles in the future, and the Ceryneian hill received her
How can Hera have planned everything out so that she knew Artemis would go after the deer and make sure one is kept aside for the trials of Heracules? How does Hera have access to this information? Or is it just her watching Artemis and impulsively grabbing a deer to use for later?
But allow me to be Bringer of Light
How is she the bringer of light? When Apollo is associated with light
But when any of the maidens disobeys her mother, the mother calls the Cyclopes to her child – Arges or Steropes
Folktale connection of using a monstrous being as a threat in order to have obedience.
all maidens still ungirdled
Is being girdled a sign of coming of age? Or a step in a coming of age ceremony? And is it different for men vs females?
And you will be Watcher over Streets and Harbours.” So he spoke and bent his head to confirm his words.
Isn't Zeus forcing Artemis to take more participation within cities? when she has already stated that she prefers to stay in the mountains. Is he not ignoring her fundamental request to be in nature when he makes her the "watcher over streets and harbors"?
the Fates ordained that I should be their helper
How is she their helper, for the fates? Is child birth not just a separate domain like love?
And give me all mountains
That means every mountain in the world? That is a huge domain.
And give me sixty daughters of Ocean for my choir – all nine years old
Why nine years old?
allow me to be dressed in a tunic with an embroidered border reaching to the knee
What is the significance in this dress type? What is special about this dress length?
it is no light thing for singers to forget her
What does this mean? "It is no light thing for singers to forget her"
He, seeming about to clutch her, thinks now, or now, he has her caught, grazing her heels with his outstretched jaws,
Is he running on his hands and feet? Why is his head so low when running? I find it strange that he would go to bite her heels.
“Impudent boy, what are you doing with a man’s weapons?
Is there hidden strife between Cupid and Apollo?
He landed by the ships and fired a shaft with a fearful twang of his silver bow. First, he attacked the mules and the swift hounds, then loosed his vicious darts at the men; so the dense pyres for the dead burned endlessly.
Did the plague kill the animals? Is his arrows the arrow of plague? Or was he trying to destroy the men's material resources and also giving them plague?
When [ Leto ] came to Pytho, Tityus saw her, and overpowered by lust, he drew her to him. But she called her children to her aid, and they shot him down with their arrows. And he is punished even after death; for vultures eat his heart in Hades.
Leto is a goddess but why does she need her children to protect her from Tityus?
when the snake Python, which guarded the oracle, tried to prevent him from approaching the chasm, he killed it and took over the oracle.
Is the phython not the evil dragoness?
But guard my temple and receive the tribes of men that gather to this place, and especially show mortal men my will, and keep righteousness in your heart. But if any of you are disobedient and ignore my warning, of if there is any idle word or deed and outrage as is common among mortal men, then other men will be your masters and will make you their subjects forever.
Is this implying that if they neglect the temple work they will be made into slaves bound to someone else?
So the Cretans followed him to Pytho, marching in time as they chanted the Ie Paean in the manner of the Cretan paean–singers and those in whose hearts the heavenly Muse has put sweet-voiced song. With tireless feet they approached the ridge and straightway came to Parnassus and the lovely place where they were to live honoured by many men.
This reminds me of the folk story the pied piper, who can lure children away with music, but in this case it is Apollo drawing the men with his playing.
offering of white meal.
Does this mean fish? What is a white meal?
ut who now will never return to their beloved cities and fair houses and dear wives, here you will tend to my rich temple that is honoured by many men. I am the son of Zeus. Apollo is my name: I brought you here over the wide gulf of the sea, meaning you no harm. Here you will keep my rich temple that is greatly honoured among men, and you will know the plans of the deathless gods, and by their will you will be honoured continually for all time. And now come, make haste and do as I say.
So he takes them from everything and everyone they know, and makes them basically into servants for his temple?
Now tell me truly, what country is this, and what land, and what men live here? As for us, aiming elsewhere, we were sailing over the great sea to Pylos from Crete (for that is where we are from), but have now arrived here unwillingly on our ship and we would gladly return home. But one of the deathless gods brought us here against our will.
Is it common for the gods to make mortals just wander to new places?
for he cast great fear upon them all.
Why fear? Is it because of the fire flames going up?
And the lord, far-working Apollo, guided it easily with the breath of the breeze.
Couldnt Apollo have done this without having to turn into a big dolphin? And why a dolphin?
dolphin, and lay there, a great and awesome monster
Why is a dolphin a "great and awesome monster"? I do not think of monsters when I think of dolphins..
Promptly large-eyed queenly Hera took him and, joining one evil thing to another, she gave him to the dragoness; and the dragoness received him in turn. And Typhon used to do great evil to the renowned tribes of men. Whoever met the dragoness would meet his doom until the lord Apollo, who deals death from afar, shot a strong arrow at her.
I never realized that the python was a dragoness. I always thought it was a large snake.
You wicked and crafty one!
Is she referring to Thetis or Zeus?
The trampling of swift horses and the sound of mules watering at my sacred springs will always bother you, and men will prefer to gaze at the well-made chariots and stamping, swift-footed horses than at your great temple and the many treasures in it. But if I can persuade you – for you, lord, are stronger and mightier than I, and your strength is very great –build at Crisa below the glades of Parnassus: there, bright chariots will not clash, and there will be no noise from swift-footed horses near your well-built altar. But the glorious tribes of men will bring gifts to you as they sing you hymns (calling to you, ‘Greetings, Healer!’)
This reminds me of the "it is too loud and near the highway" talk. She can not say no to him as he could punish her, but she is really great at persuading him to another area while making him think this was his own idea.
then immediately the undying gods think only of the lyre and song,
Is Apollo's music hypnotic?
Who do you think, girls, is the sweetest singer, and who most delights you?” Then answer, all of you, in one voice, “He is a blind man, and dwells on rocky Chios: his poems are the great for all time.”
Is "he is a blind man" refering to Apollo? And if so why is he blind?
But as soon as you had tasted that divine heavenly food, O Phoebus, you could no longer then be held by golden cords nor confined with bands, but all the ties came undone
Why does nectar and ambrosia grant Apollo the ability to never be held by golden cords/bands? Is this specific to him or is it for all gods?
immediately called Eilithyia out to the door from the hall and spoke winged words to her, telling her everything, as the goddesses who dwell on Olympus had asked her to. So she moved the heart of Eilithyia in her dear breast;
Was she really moved or did the bribe of the "great necklace" motivate her?
loud-moaning Amphitrite
Why is Amphitrite known as "loud-moaning"? And there are no other descriptors in front of the other goddesses listed.
But if you will swear a great oath, goddess, that he will build a glorious temple here first, as an oracle for men, then let him afterwards make temples and wooded groves all over the world; for he will surely be greatly renowned.”
Does Leto's oath therefore bind Apollo even before he is born?
hecatombs
Was there specific animals used? As in some animals bred just for use in temple sacrifices?
For no one else will ever will touch you, nor honour you: and I do not think you will ever be rich in cattle or sheep, nor will you bear a harvest nor produce plants abundantly
Isn't she threatening Delos, that if Delos does not accept Apollo then mishap/lack of material resources will occur?
so far Leto roamed in painful labour with with the the Far-shooter [Apollo], to see if any land would be willing to be a home for her son. But they trembled greatly and were afraid,
Does this mean each land area has it's own spirit?
ou share your mother Hera’s intolerable, headstrong spirit; she too will scarcely obey my word. I suspect she prompted this and caused your wound.
It feels as if he is emoting his problems with Hera onto their son Ares. And also if Hera is Ares mother, why did she not care when he got injured?
whine, you backslider
What is a backslider?
First in a close encounter he wounded Aphrodite on the wrist then he ran at me like a very demon
It feels as if he is more upset that Aphrodite got injured first.
The giants Otus and Ephialtes trap him in a pot and he is stuck there for over a year until Hermes rescues him
What kind of pot? Like a pickle pot? or wine urn? (side note, a year is a long time to be stuck in a pot)
The grove which held the Golden Fleece, the object of the quest of Jason and the Argonauts (see chapter 18), was sacred to Ares.
Why was the grove sacred to Ares? Is there a specific reason?
He was one of the twelve Olympians, but the least popular among the Greeks and among his fellow gods
Why is Ares the least popular?
Weak-minded and worn out by tedious old age you come here and having lived too long destroys you.
Well this makes me understand better why Athena may have reacted with anger when facing such insults.
Pallas Minerva took the shape of an old woman
This reminds me a folk story element, where the shape of old women is used when testing someone.
darkness seized the eyes of the youth
The loss of his eyes is not done by Athena herself, but almost like a curse? that strikes at any male that see's her.
took and skillfully anointed herself with simple ointments, the birth of her own tree [olive oil]
Is this a side note framing Aphrodite as materialistic vs the simplistic materials used by Athena?
while Athena donned Hades’ helmet of invisibility, to hide her identity from the mighty god.
When did Athena get access to Hade's helmet of invisibility?
adorned with warriors of a hundred cities.
Are there specific warriors? And if so who are they? or is it just a generalized warrior form?
She threw the frightening, tasseled aegis over her shoulders, crowned at every point with terror, violence and strife within, adorned with the monstrous image of the Gorgon’s head, grim and awful emblem of aegis-bearing Zeus.
Does this mean that the Aegis not only has the picture of Medusa on it, but embodies terror/violence/strife within its actual structure? Is it a metaphysical embodiment? or both physical and metaphysical?
The rims of these chariot wheels are imperishable gold
Isn't gold too soft for it to be used in a mechanical structure such as wheel rims?
courageously slipped a noose around her neck:
How is Arachne courageous by attempting suicide? Does she fear that Athena would torment her for eternity?
“The Maeonian girl depicts Europa deceived by the form of the bull: you would have thought it a real bull and real waves. She is seen looking back to the shore she has left, and calling to her companions, displaying fear at the touch of the surging water, and drawing up her shrinking feet. Also Arachne showed Asterie, held by the eagle, struggling, and Leda lying beneath the swan’s wings. She added Jupiter who, hidden in the form of a satyr, filled Antiope, daughter of Nycteus with twin offspring; who, as Amphitryon, was charmed by you, Alcmene, of Tiryns; by Danae, as a golden shower; by Aegina, daughter of Asopus, as a flame; by Mnemosyne, as a shepherd; by Proserpine, Ceres’s daughter, as a spotted snake.
Arachne weaves of how the Gods and Goddesses objectify humans and use humans as toys for their own pleasure.
Then she adds four scenes of contest in the four corners, each with miniature figures, in their own clear colours, so that her rival might learn, from the examples quoted, what prize she might expect, for her outrageous daring.
Athena's second warning to Arachne of the peril Arachne faces.
There, shades of purple, dyed in Tyrian bronze vessels, are woven into the cloth, and also lighter colours, shading off gradually.
How could Arachne afford Tyrian purple dye if she is of humble origin and living status? Tyrian purple is very expensive.
Do not reject my advice: seek great fame amongst mortals for your skill in weaving, but give way to the goddess, and ask her forgiveness, rash girl, with a humble voice: she will forgive if you will ask.’
Athena's first warning to Arachne.
twirling the slender spindle with practised thumb, or embroidering with her needle, you could see she was taught by Pallas. Yet she denied it, and took offence at the idea of such a teacher. ‘Compete with me’ she said ‘I will not disagree at all if I am beaten’.
Why would Arachne take offense at her skills being associated as coming from Athena? Or any teacher? Or is she saying that she picked up the tools of weaving and knew how to weave without any teachings?
pollution
Miasma, the pollution spread to someone when they
And yet he shall be a companion of the chase to great Artemis. But neither the chase nor companionship in archery on the hills will save him in that hour, when, though unwillingly, he will see the beautiful bathing of the goddess. No, his own dogs will then devour their former lord. And his mother will gather the bones of her son, spread over all the thickets
Contrast how Artemis turned the man who saw her into a steer who was devoured by his own dogs vs. Athena who supports the man who saw her with honors.
There the thrust landed, tearing the flesh, and Diomedes wrenched it free again. Then bronze-clad Ares bellowed as loud as ten thousand warriors shout in battle, when they meet in the war-god’s shadow. The Greeks and Trojans trembled with fear at insatiable Ares’ cry.
Proof that humans can injure gods (although with the support of the goddess Athena), as he was able to wound Ares.
Then the two goddesses strutted forward, like bold pigeons, in their eagerness to aid the Argive army.
Hilarious! "Bold Pigeons"!
dressed herself in the tunic of Zeus the Cloud-Driver,
What does the "tunic of Zeus" look like or mean? I assume some sort of special garb or regalia spefic to Zeus himself?
Aries, who is fighting on the side of the Trojans (due to his relationship with Aphrodite)
Well that must have been a sticky relationship to battle with someone that is normally your comrade in war.
addresses Athena and Ares as a duo.
So Athena would lead the tactics and Ares would be the brawn?
his man is acquitted on the charge of murder, for the numbers of the ballots are equal. Apollo disappears.
Well it was clear that no matter the vote, that Athena held the veto vote to overpower any results.
And I counsel you not to dishonour us in any way, since our company can be a burden to your land.
A not soo subtle threat by the furies.
but the nurse of the newly-sown embryo. The one who mounts is the parent,
Apollo basically objectifies women into baby carrying objects and denies them parental ties to the children.
Yes, for it is not the same thing
Isn't Apollo lying a bit? Because Zeus did not directly tell him but instead he is justifying the order because of the actions of the wife to murder her husband.
I cannot lie. [615] I have never yet, on my oracular throne, said anything about a man or woman or city that Zeus, the father of the Olympians, did not command me to say.
Apollo says he can not lie. But what proof is there for this statement? He also says that he will say what Zeus commands him to say, so if Zeus told him to lie, then Apollo would lie.
She was not related by blood to the man she killed.
Implying that murder is okay as long as the person is not blood related?
My father will send protection from his grave
What kind of protection could his father send from the grave?
By the oracles of this god here; he is my witness.
Clear sign that Apollo prompted Orestes to avenge the death of his father but more importantly the death of the priestess of Apollo.
for this man was a lawful suppliant and a guest of my sanctuary, and I am his purifier from bloodshed—and to be his advocate.
Implying that the murder was supported because he also got revenge for the killing of Apollo's priestess?
As the punishment for killing a member of his own family, he is pursued by the Erinyes (or “Furies” as they were called by the Romans)
Why is the son punished by the furies but the mother is not when she kills her husband and the Trojan princess?
But Athena sprang quickly from the immortal head and stood before Zeus who holds the aegis, shaking a sharp spear: great Olympus began to reel horribly at the might of the bright-eyed goddess, and earth round about cried fearfully, and the sea was moved and tossed with dark waves, while foam burst forth suddenly: the bright Son of Hyperion [ Helios ] stopped his swift-footed horses a long while, until the maiden Pallas Athena had stripped the divine armour from her immortal shoulders
Is this implying that the birth of Athena was apocalyptical in the sense it could impact the gods realm, mankind realm, the earth, the sea, and the heavens?
Zeus craftily deceived her [890] with cunning words and put her in his own belly, as Earth and starry Heaven advised.
Does Metis exist within his belly? Is it similar to another dimension? If Athena is able to survive, then is Metis alive?
Having launched this tirade, Venus flew at her, beat her about the head severely, tore her hair, and ripped her clothes to pieces.
I never realized that Aphrodite is so vindictive and violent, even at the risk to her own grandchild.
You often make me your target, sneer at me as ‘the widow’, without fearing your step-father, Mars, the world’s strongest and mightiest warrior. Why would you, since you provide that adulterer with a ready supply of girls to torment me with? But I warn you: you’ll be sorry for mocking me, when that marriage of yours leaves a sour, bitter taste in your mouth!”
I never knew that Cupid was sending many women to his step father Ares. But really is Aphrodite not still married to Vulcan? OR does that mean she is allowed to have two husbands?
Cupid, while he lay in his mother’s chamber groaning with pain from his scorched shoulder.
Why is his shoulder still hurt? Is he not a god able to heal from anything? Why did the oil drop have such an impact?
I’ll soon take my revenge for their pernicious machinations; you I punish merely by my flight.
Didactic story? That if you go against a god, even unknowingly you will be punished?
Now, when night was well advanced, gentle whispers sounded in her ears, and all alone she feared for her virgin self, trembling and quivering, frightened most of what she knew nothing of. Her unknown husband had arrived and mounted the bed, and made Psyche his wife, departing swiftly before light fell. The servant-voices waiting in her chamber cared for the new bride no longer virgin
When I had heard about Psyche previously it was from a children's book which had glossed over the actions that Cupid took against psyche, so reading this version highlighted to me that Cupid did not ask for Psyche's consent and how frightened Psyche must have been.
Let this be your glorious reward for my famous beauty. Too late you see the blow that falls is dealt by wicked Envy.
She seems quite aware of her situation and that her beauty has offended a god/goddess.
But she’ll reap no joy from usurping my honours, whatever she may be: I’ll soon make her regret that illicit beauty of hers.
How is that Pyche's beauty is illicit? As it is what she has grown into and not come by through false means.
Your embroidered garment is lost as well.
Adonis lays dying and she is upset he lost his garments. Why does she not help heal him? Why does she only just cry?
His name will be Aeneas, because I felt terrible grief at at falling into the bed of mortal man: yet these humans [demi-gods] are always the most similar to gods of all mortal men in beauty and in stature.
Why does she feel terrible grief at mating with him? Was it not her choice? Or does she realize that Zeus influenced her desire and forced her to mate with the mortal?
And so he put in her heart sweet desire for Anchises who was tending cattle at that time among the steep hills of many-fountained Ida,
Does that mean Zeus could have made Aphrodite love anyone or anything, like a rock?
mates him with mortal women
How does Aphrodite mate Zeus with mortal women? Does that mean she is causing his rampant lust towards women? But does that not just seek to shift the blame concerning his actions upon Aphrodite?
her place in the midst of the house and has the richest portion. In all the temples of the gods she has a share of honour, and among all mortal men she is chief of the goddesses.
I never knew much about Hestia and I am surprised that she had such great honor given to her. Also I did not know that she was able to refuse Poseidon and Apollo and stay single.
Yet there are three hearts that she cannot bend nor ensnare.
I did not realize that the charm of aphrodite was so strong it "ensnared" all the other gods except for, Athen, Artemis, and Hestia.
at the beauty of violet-crowned Cytherea.
Does that mean her crown was shaped like violets? As previously it is said that "they put a fine, well wrought crown of gold".
lover of smiles, because she emerged out of the genitals.[2]
Why is she called "The lover of smiles" in relation to that she emerged from the genitals?
In one, she is a Titan, born from the severed genitals of Uranus, the sky, mixed with the water and foam of the sea.
Is this why she is always on a shell? And why a shell? And not a octopus or other creature? Why a non sentient shell?
nd all-seeing Zeus sent a messenger to them, rich-haired Rhea,
I can not believe he sent his mother to fix the mess he made, and also to appeal to Demeter's affection towards her mother Rhea.
And so she brings an end to the honours of the undying gods.
Well that makes it clear that the gods cared more for their sacrifaces/wealth vs the suffering of people. As they only sought Persephone once their own sacrifices were at risk.
Demeter, bringer of seasons and giver of perfect gifts, would not sit upon the bright couch, but stayed silent with lovely eyes cast down until careful Iambe placed a simple chair for her and threw over it a silvery fleece.
I snorted out laughter when I read that, so she will only sit on silvery fleece.
hen awe and reverence and pale fear took hold of Metaneira, and she rose up from her couch before Demeter, and asked her to be seated.
Why does Metaneira fear Demeter?
As hinds or heifers in spring time, when sated with pasture, bound about a meadow, so they, holding up the folds of their lovely garments,
Picturing of women as livestock, animals such as heifers and hinds. Is there any link between cows and any particular gods? For example Io (cow), Minitour (cow), but any other stories with cows?
But may all the gods who dwell on Olympus give you husbands and admirable children, if you take pity on me, maidens, and guide me, dear children, to a house where I may work cheerfully at such tasks as belong to a woman of my age
Women type casted as the ones who are tried to men and used to propagate male lineages.
But grief even more terrible and savage came into the heart of Demeter, a
Is this evidence of the patriachy? Where if a woman is in grief she has "savage" tendencies? vs. A man who would be seen as a figure to uphold?
like a wild-bird, over the firm land and yielding sea, seeking her child.
Really beautiful description of her movements.
permission of Zeus
Highlights the patriarchal nature of the gods hierarchy.
she was so angered with the dark-clouded Son of Cronus
Why is Zeus called "Dark-clouded"? Is it literal or just saying he is two faced?
et, goddess, stop your loud lament and do not be eternally angry– it is useless.
Is it just me? Or does he not have any pity or emotion for Demeter? I am assuming this is related to the objectification of women as goods that could be given away by their fathers...
Son of Hyperion answered her, “Queen Demeter, daughter of rich-haired Rhea, I will tell you the truth; for I greatly reverence and pity you in your grief for your slender-ankled daughter. None other of the deathless gods is to blame, but only cloud-gathering Zeus who gave her to Hades, her father’s brother, to be called his ravishing wife. And Hades seized her and took her as she cried loudly in his chariot down to his realm of mist and gloom
Does Hyperion not fear retribution from Zeus? He is the only male figure to be truthful with Demeter.
But when the tenth bright dawn had come, Hecate, with a torch in her hands, met her, and spoke to her and told her news, “Queenly Demeter, bringer of seasons and giver of good gifts, what god of heaven or what mortal man has snatched way Persephone and pierced your dear heart with sorrow? For I heard her voice, yet did not see with my eyes who it was. But I tell you truly and briefly all I know.”
Why did Hecate wait ten days to contact Demeter?
only tender-hearted Hecate, bright-haired, the daughter of Persaeus, heard the girl from her cave, and the lord Helios, Hyperion‘s bright son, as the girl cried to her father, the Son of Cronus
Why were Hecate and Helios able to hear Persephone's cries but no one else? I assume that Zeus blocked sound, but why is Hecate and Helios able to still hear her cries?
roses and crocuses and beautiful violets, irises also and hyacinths and the narcissus,
Is there any particular meaning behind each of the flowers, as in terms of flower language or association with specific gods/areas?
full-breasted daughters of Ocean
Sexualization of women so they are categorized by their most visible physical attributes.....
Demeter was a goddess of grain, crops, and fertility. Persephone was the queen of the underworld and a goddess of death and rebirth.
I just had a random thought, but could Persephone be just another facet of Demeter? Going by the three female gods facets, of the young, mother, and crone?
So yes, I took Alcumena on loan, 1135 in bed I made her pregnant with my son.
As if she was a borrowable object. No I do not find that this play is funny.
I did it all by force. I’m heading up. JUPITER disappears on a cloud.
I am incrediably frustrated by how the husband and Zeus treat her. The husband only believes the story when another male (Zeus) confirms it!! SO frustrating.
Every night, they [the diseases] wander about at random, bringing evils upon mortals silently—for Zeus had taken away their voice.
Why does Zeus have the power to make beings silent?
Kinship is a strangely strong bond, and friendship as well
As kinship bonds are a threat to Zeus's authority?
Every new ruler is merciless.
Is he implying that Prometheus is being used as a scapegoat to establish Zeus's new authority over all the gods? As an example of what happens to those that oppose Zeus?
He has stolen fire, which belongs to you, and is the source of all arts, and he has given it to mortals.
I thought the fire belonged to the gods in general, but just to Hephaestus?
Every night, they wander about at random, bringing evils upon mortals silently—for Zeus had taken away their voice
Whose voice did he take away? The evils voice? Or the voice of hope? Or the voice of mankind?
nd within her breast the messenger and Argos-killer fashioned falsehoods [pseudea], crafty words, and a stealthy disposition, according to the plans of Zeus the loud-thunderer. And the messenger of the gods (80) put inside her a voice, and he called this woman Pandōrā, because all the gods who abide in Olympus gave her as a gift [dōron], a pain for grain-eating men. But when the gods completed this deception of sheer doom, against which there is no remedy,
Is Pandora the physical embodiment of the vase of evils? In that she looks good on the outside but holds bad inside?
intent that is doglike and a temperament that is stealthy.
What is a doglike intent? And a stealthy temperament?
And he ordered Aphrodite to shed golden charm over her head; also harsh longing, and anxieties that eat away at the limbs
What does this mean? That the charm cast on her will cause longing/anxiety? How does it "eat away" at the limbs?
He had Zeus choose from the two piles, and he chose the bones and fat. Zeus was very angry that Prometheus had tricked him.
Is it really possible to trick Zeus? Does his powers not allow him to see through the piles? Or was he waiting to see if Prometheus would go through his attempt to trick him?
his mother was Themis, the first wife of Zeus and the goddess of “right counsel.”
If in some versions his mother is Themis (wife of Zeus) does that mean Prometheus is the son of Zeus?
dread Persephone
Why is Persephone called "dread" vs Hades being "strong"? It is because she is female?
whoever avoids marriage and the sorrows that women cause, and will not wed, reaches deadly old age [605] without anyone to tend to him
I am confused by what he means by the sorrows women cause? And does that mean old women are not helped or abandoned in old age if they have no children?
beautiful evil
He is implying that beautiful women are evil? Or that all women originated from evil?
clever Prometheus, full of various wiles
What does it mean that Prometheus is full of wiles? Is it implying that he is deceitful?
But Rhea was made wife to Cronus and bore splendid children
What does it mean that "Rhea was made wife"? Does that mean she did not have choice in whom she would marry?
Poseidon throws an island on Polybotes
Yes, an island. I did not see that coming. Does that mean that Poseidon has greater powers as he is able to take pieces of the earth itself and throw it? Vs. Other gods that use items such as weapons?
“Shepherds of the wilderness, wretched, shameful things, only looking to fill your bellies, we know how to speak many false things as though they were true; but, when we want to, we know how to say true things too.”
The power dynamics are really clear, as Gods on high (literally in this case on Mt. Olympus) to the people such as shepards on low (On the actual earth, doing earth based activities as agriculture).The gods watch down on the people (power monitoring ) and using mortals for propaganda? What do you think?
Then ox-eyed queenly Hera answered him: [440]
Why ox-eyed? Does that mean she had large eyes? Or is it a cultural beauty standard of that time/context?
But Hermes and Aegipan stole back the sinews and succeeded in replanting them in Zeus without being seen
Does the god body not regenerate? When the god that gave fire was punished, it seemed as if his body regenerated. Why did Zeus's body not regenerate but instead had to have the actual items removed (the sinews) put back into his body?
He has three, official, successive wives: Themis, Metis (the mother of Athena), and finally, Hera (the mother of Ares, Eileithyia (the midwife of the gods), and Hebe (goddess of youth)).
Why is there such a focus on Zeus marriage to Hera, but his other two wives are almost not mentioned? I did not even know he had three official wives till I read this.
Hera is the goddess of marriage and motherhood
Did Zeus assign Hera to marriage because he already wanted to marry her? Why did he choose that realm?
, he would immediately snatch the infant and swallow it. After Cronus had done this five times, Rhea, desperate to save her sixth child, appealed to her mother Gaia for help.
Why did Rhea wait till Cronus had eaten five of her children before appealing to her mother Gaia for help? What made the 6th pregnancy different?
upiter among the Romans, he is the paterfamilias of the world and, in sum, the ruler of “gods and men.”
Even though he is the paterfamilias why does the Fates have power over everything?