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  1. Jul 2018
    1. Schools thus produce shortages of skilled persons. A good example is the diminishing number of nurses in the United States, owing to the rapid increase of four-year B.S. programs in nursing. Women from poorer families, who would formerly have enrolled in a two- or three-year program, now stay out of the nursing profession altogether.

      Nearly 50 years later there is still a huge shortage of nurses. Is the degree program still to blame?

    2. By this I mean we should first restrict, and later eliminate, the disenfranchisement of the young and permit a boy of twelve to become a man fully responsible for his participation in the life of the community

      What would this look like in today's society?

    3. liberating education

      Freire

    4. have undermined the playfulness of sports and are used to reinforce the competitive nature of schools.

      True

    5. The teacher is jealous of the textbook he defines as his professional implement.

      This is a curious statement.

    6. chools are fundamentally alike in all countries

      Can we still say this today?

    7. would prefer not to depend any longer on schools.

      Data to support this?

    8. service of the teacher's goals

      Teachers have so little control in today's testing society.

    9. in support of the conventional ideology of schooling.

      For as much as we talk about a broken system, it seems like people have been trying to fix it for decades to no avail.

    10. school leads many to a kind of spiritual suicide.

      This is such a depressing view, but I fear it is probably pretty accurate for too many people.

    11. We need a set of criteria

      This seems to be even more important today.

  2. Jun 2018
    1. .

      This chapter was a difficult one for me. I'm wondering where Illich would fall in today's society, with education being attacked, the push for vouchers and "choice," and so on.

    2. As long as we are not aware of the ritual through which school shapes the progressive consumer--the economy's major resource--we cannot break the spell of this economy and shape a new one.

      I agree with much of what he says in this chapter, but I feel that it is somewhat hollow.

    3. The school leaving age in developed nations outpaces the rise in life expectancy.

      I would say this is outdated.

    4. The Vietnam war

      What current example could we put here?

    5. It is a bundle of planned meanings, a package of values, a commodity whose "balanced appeal" makes it marketable to a sufficiently large number to justify thecost of production.

      Furthermore, it is produced by people with the power and privilege to package certain values over others and to present a certain narrative that justifies that power and privilege.

    6. We cannot begin a reform of education unless we first understand that neither individual learning nor social equality can be enhanced by the ritual of schooling.

      I think this is an important statement.

    7. Only disenchantment with and detachment from the central social ritual and reform of that ritual can bring about radical change.

      What does this look like?

    8. The modern university has forfeited its chance to provide a simple setting for encounters which are both autonomous and anarchic, focused yet unplanned and ebullient, and has chosen instead to manage the process by which so-called research and instruction are produced.

      How the system changed from being about learning and ideas to one about "schooling."

    9. all students are academically processed to be happy only in the company of fellow consumers of the products of the educational machine.

      This is quite a claim. Research supported?

    10. We are rather concerned to call attention to the fact that the ceremonial or ritual of schooling itself constitutes such a hidden curriculum. Even the best of teachers cannot entirely protect his pupils from it. Inevitably, this hidden curriculum of schooling adds prejudice and guilt to the discrimination which a society practices against some of its members and compounds the privilege of others with a new title to condescend to the majority. Just as inevitably, this hidden curriculum serves as a ritual of initiation into a growth-oriented consumer society for rich and poor alike.

      I agree with what he says here, but his earlier discussion of the teacher has turned me off a bit. I think the systemic/institutionalized nature of schooling and how teachers unconsciously play a role in that is merited, but putting all the blame on teachers in such a one-dimensional view gets us nowhere.

    11. warping

      harsh wording

    12. Teachers, more often than not, obstruct such learning of subject matters as goes on in school.

      Do you think this is still true today? As a high school English teacher, I know I give my students skills in verbal and written communication, and I make efforts to connect these skills to their out-of-school worlds.

    13. Most tragically, the majority of men are taught their lesson by schools, even though they never go to school.

      I'm not sure what he means by this.

    14. Many of them are simply forced to go through it and are not at all happy playing the child's role.

      At the time, sure. But looking back as an adult, I think many people wished they were able to retain their childhood for a little longer.

    15. Church

      With the advancement in neuroscience in the past 20 years and what we know about the adolescent brain, I'd be curious to see how he would've written about this information.

    16. We

      I think his use of "We" also needs defining, particularly for the time he was writing, for in 1970 many schools were still segregated and certainly schools and schooling varied widely. I think there are a lot of assumptions in his "We."

    17. knowledge

      I think this depends on how how knowledge is being defined.

    18. Universal schooling was meant to detach role assignment from personal life history: it was meant to give everybody an equal chance to any office.

      In the US universal schooling was meant to teach new immigrants the "American" (read WASP) ideals. It was never meant to give everybody an equal chance.

    19. law forbidding discrimination in hiring

      A law in place unfortunately doesn't change people's ideologies.

    20. Fidel Castro talks as if he wanted to go in the direction of deschooling when he promises that by 1980 Cuba will be able to dissolve its university since all of life in Cuba will be an educational experience. At the grammar-school and high-school level, however, Cuba, like all other Latin-American countries, acts as though passage through a period defined as the "school age" were an unquestionable goal for all, delayed merely by a temporary shortage of resources.

      It is worth mentioning that Cuba has a higher literacy rate than the US.