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    1. Whether this attitude amounts to progress or retrogression is a matter of debate. Whether it helps people along or hinders them is a matter yet to be known.

      Good question

    2. The idea was that whatever the child might hear at home, school might be the means for inculcating standard English. Professor Pooley was sophisticated, though: He understood the best way to teach a child standard English is to arouse an ambition—a desire to be influential in the world. Without that desire, the teaching would never take root.

      teaching standard english to children means that you have to drive them with ambition to be influential.

    3. In high school, the level of difficulty was to increase. Students were to learn a mastery of pronouns ( I and we as subjects, me and us as objects); the correct use of common irregular verbs such as buy-bought-bought, drink-drank-drunk, see-saw-seen , sink-sank-sunk, take-took-taken ; correct use of there is and there are according to whether the complement is singular or plural; the omission of at after where (never where is it at? ); the distinction between good as adjective and well as adverb, as well as that of their antonyms ( I played well, never I played good ; I feel bad for him , never I feel badly for him ).

      High school grammar. gets more difficult.

    4. In middle school, children were to be taught to avoid those same things but also improper pronouns in the object position (not please give it to Sarah or I or let him or I do it ); nonstandard inflections or lack of inflections (not he ask me to do it ); slightly nuanced problems in subject-verb agreement (not one of the books are lost ); and double negatives (not I don't have nothing to do ).

      Middle school grammar

    5. In elementary school, children were to be taught to avoid ain't; I don't have no ; improper uses of past-tense verbs (not he begun, he seen, he come, he drunk ); improper uses of past participles (not have began, have saw, have went, have wrote ); disagreement between subject and verb (not we was, you was, they was ); improper uses of pronouns in the subject position (not him and me went , Jane and me saw ); and nonstandard possessive pronouns (not hisself, theirselves ). Teachers were to abstain from teaching nuances beyond these types of things.

      What was taught about grammar in elementry school

    6. The perennial question is how to teach standard English without denigrating the speech of children's parents. That demands of teachers a knowledge of language and dialect, a humane attitude toward young pupils and an ability to correct children in a way that doesn't humiliate. It also demands a great deal of persistence and time.

      how do you teach it in a way that is not disingenuous to families that use different dialects.

    7. Should we insist children learn standard English? As someone who has spent most of his career writing about standard English and what it entails, I think so—as you might well predict. It's a pathway to the professions, and it always has been. I say that as someone who grew up speaking the regional dialect of the Texas Panhandle. But by age 16, I had learned standard English.

      yes kids should learn standard english. its a pathway in the professional world.

    8. But the basic debate is an important one for us all to consider, and maybe society is moving toward a middle position. On the one hand, we're more tolerant than ever of linguistic differences, and people on the whole seem to accept dialectal differences. We hear them on television, and today (unlike decades ago), a TV debate in which someone overtly corrects another's language is all but unthinkable. On the other hand, "good English" is something we admire upon encountering it.

      Moving towards a good middle ground, we are use to hearing different dialects but we still admire "good english" when we hear it.

    9. Robert Lowth: The principal design of a grammar of any language is to teach us to express ourselves with propriety in that language.

      good source of quote

    10. she argued that basic grammar is acquired from birth as an innate part of natural language and that "learning about grammar is about acquiring abstract terminology and a set of nitpicking (and occasionally outdated or simply invented) rules about 'correct' grammar."

      y

    11. Jane Hodson, a British English professor at the University of Sheffield, insists children shouldn't be taught a standard language. In a May 2016 post on the Conversation website, Hodson claimed there is little purpose in learning standard English grammar. She acknowledged that formal grammar is necessary for formal writing and for improving one's writing in a range of styles, but she argued that basic grammar is acquired from birth as an innate part of natural language and that "learning about grammar is about acquiring abstract terminology and a set of nitpicking (and occasionally outdated or simply invented) rules about 'correct' grammar." All this, she says, discourages children's interest in English

      Teaching children rules and which grammar is correct makes english less interesting to them

    12. The contrary position is we shouldn't insist people learn standard written English. Instead, we should teach everyone to be tolerant of regional and class dialects—not just accents but dialects. An accent has to do with how you pronounce words. Dialect has to do with word choice and sentence construction. Saying schedule in the British as opposed to the American way is a question of accent. Saying it don't make no difference is a question of dialect, the standard form being it doesn't make any difference .

      The opposing view and dialect vs. accent

    13. Should schoolchildren be taught standard English grammar? The traditional view, of course, is yes. The standard form of the language—sometimes referred to as standard written English—has been thought to have a leveling influence on society. In any English-speaking country, it characterizes what it is to be educated. It's what lawyers learn. It's available to everyone who cares to learn it, and it prevents people from being condemned to speak only the regional or class dialect into which they're born. Most of us are born into some type of dialect.

      Argument for learning standard english