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really unfortunate that our large artistic endeavors usually have to be funded by large corporations and totally calls into question the true intentions
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definitely true- i also think a lot of it has to do with the model minority myth
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interesting considering it's mostly not music by American composers
It seems to me that the val-ue of conducting is at least partially involved.
I never thought of this but it makes a lot of sense
the identity of the teacher is likely todetermine which music school or department a student will select.
many of my non-music friends don't understand how studio is often more important than the school itself for your time there
and theaudience dresses (well, slightly) better for a string quartet than for awind quintet concert, to say nothing of a brass ensemble.
this is a really interesting observation
general public
this paragraph is a very accurate representation of how singers have been viewed at both my undergrad and depaul
but, in my experi-ence, not one in which administrators are included.
In my opinion I've noticed it's usually the teachers who are way higher regarded as musicians than the admin, so I don't fully agree with this
the younger ones have perhaps actually been pupils of the older ones.
this was definitely true at my undergrad
Rather, these interpreta-tions are based on Hollywood clichés that con-flate all seamen, be they whalers or jack tars orpirates, into one drunken, foul-mouth, uncouthcharacter
I'm sure that this has helped the commercial success of chanteys immensely
show orchestras and men’s choruses have re-corded sea music with pop arrangements in asort of easy-listening chorale style.
reminds me of the examples of Irish music we talked about
However, theslow tempo with which the chanteys here areperformed is fairly representative of the tempothat these men would have sung them at sea.
this makes sense to me, especially if the songs were meant to facilitate work- tempo would dictate how fast your movements have to be at work
Every job hada corresponding set of chanteys
wow, fascinating
even asit leaves us more unsure than ever about the in/authenticity of theAsian/American
super relatable as a Chinese American myself (especially as a Chinese American who does not look Chinese)
are rarely played byanyone else except the group that created it, as the identification of thework becomes part and parcel of that group’s personality.
fascinating
this particular confluence of gender and race presentedthrough taiko is built up out of older tropes that “work” because they areso terribly familiar
so many real life consequences when depicting cultural art in a certain way
it acted outJapan’s defeat in World War II in specifically gendered and ethnicizedway
I never thought of it as related to WWII, but that makes a lot of sense
the White American man andthe Japanese woman
Madame Butterfly and sooooo many other examples
especially those formed at Japanese American Bud-dhist temples, are explicitly formed to support members’ relationship totheir ethnic and spiritual heritage. Non-Buddhist groups represent anastonishing range of stances.
interesting how this dichotomy is separated by whether or not the group formed at a Buddhist temple
ome have had greatlongevity.
is it like an orchestra where members constantly come in and out?
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So cool how so much of this paragraph I can relate to thinking of when I was a beginning cellist and also as a teacher of beginners now
the Nisei were more invested in bigband jazz and baseball because their mission was to be American.
this is a statement I definitely can relate to seeing a second gen american like my dad
1ey are most concerned about the affect ofthe group’s appearance on the audience, even more than the quality of sound,
Very interesting, I can definitely think of other examples of this in Western pop culture
1ese groups did not revive earlier folk styles, but ratherwere inspired by them to create new interpretations
Hm, this argument is also pretty convincing
neo-traditional
I like this label- works well with a lot of other things
as the artists themselves did not observemuch connection between each other,
this brings up the question- how do you classify art? is it about the intentions of the artist, or the way that the art is perceived by the audience? (ex. is Debussy impressionist? He himself hated the word and hated being classified as that, but that is the way in which most listeners hear his music, and they connect it to other artistic forms of impressionism)
“proletarian labor and the performing arts”
I like that he was thinking of this connection, because so often it is the opposite that is highlighted in the music that I play
more characteristicof jazz drumming
I never had any clue that taiko was so influenced by jazz, but it makes sense thinking about it
genre is always ongoing and therefore always open to reinterpretation, develop-ment and mutation”
I like this aspect of it
clarify and constrain
good way to put it
wenonetheless continue to rely on such systems to organize our world
I wonder what the other solutions are
traditional art of Japan when in fact it is actually a fairly modern creation.
i definitely assumed it was traditional
music criticism similarly has moved online
i now get almost all of my music reviews and criticism exclusively from tik tok
‘The popularity of raimusic among French and ‘world beat’ audiences may mean little for children of immi-grants facing massive unemployment and racist attacks’
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The new place of authenticity was not Africa, Asia or‘other’ countries but diaspora communities in the West.
seems very problematic- like they're saying, let's celebrate a certain type of "authentic" music but only the type that comes from people geographically close to us so we can remain somewhat in our comfort zone
Listening to MiddleEastern music became a political act
so performative and reminds me of a lot of the "activism" that is common on social media today
Learning music from othercountries, cultures helps broaden experience – and tolerance ... a first step towards eradi-cating prejudice and racism’ (#274).
seems like an overly simplistic approach that is meant to stay within the parent's comfort zone- how about actually meeting other people from other backgrounds!
Notably, diasporabecame the new authentic location
really interesting way to put it
The authentic listening position asked readers to intellectu-ally approach (i.e. rational) a music that would help their emotional (i.e. non-rational)development.
an interesting dichotomy that I think can be found in a lot of music discourse
world music as superficial pop music and ethnicmusic with roots and authenticity
I can sort of see what he's saying here- I can't really take an artist seriously if they categorize themselves as "world music" because all that tells me is that they think they're unique from western music, yet can't differentiate where their influences actually come from
Terms commonly used to describe themusic were ‘hypnotic’ (#2), ‘soulful’ (#23) and ‘otherworldly’ (#63), or more medicalterminology such as ‘intoxicating’ (#11), ‘feverish’ (#241) or ‘infectious’
all words meant to exoticize and otherize non-western places/things in so many areas, not just in the music world
Exoticism is simply one source of distinction and novelty,and the short shelf life of worldbeat artists illustrates this point.
interesting way to frame this- each "new" sound from another culture is just a trend that is discarded within our capitalist music landscape
LadysmithBlack Mambaz
as mentioned in Mean Girls!
The mid-1960s saw the rise of a sepa-rate youth culture with teen-time dances and TV programmes. By 1968, cosmo-politan youth culture - the Beatles, hippiedom, soul music and the black powermovement - provided central models for urban Zimbabwean youth, both blackand white. Interracial rock bands and festivals sprung up in the early 1970s asblack and white adults were preparing their children to go to war with eachother. Soul groups were formed, Afro hairstyles and hippie clothing becamecommon among youth within the formation
I guess I never realized how common the US and UK trends of the 60s were in other parts of the world as well
they adopted or combined popular songs from North America,England, South Africa and elsewhere, and often translated them into variousAfrican language
reminds me of the ways we in the US sort of just mash up random "ethnic" things that aren't even that related to each other
The claim that an African-diasporic conscious-ness was the impetus for selecting foreign artistic models seems a partial read-ing at best
I understand the point, but it is also true that these white artists named, especially Elvis, draw a ton of inspiration from African-diasporic music
nineteenth-century US popular culture, known at the time as a "coon song"- a white, professionally penned, or at least arranged, imitation of supposedSouthern black music.
ah yes, so it is related
"Shortend Bread"
is this related to plantation song shortnin bread?
authentically Zimbabwean cosmopolitans
interesting how just being cosmopolitans can connect people from vastly different backgrounds, but I guess that is one of the intentions of cosmopolitanism
the sources for ideas, practices and styles are drawn froma number of sites as well as from the new and old homelands
never thought of it this way, but as a Jew I definitely can relate. So many of our practices are shared and borrowed amongst many other jewish communities around the world
global culture is discursively constructed in relation to capi-talist products and technologies within the context of expanding markets
just like economically globalism just benefits the powerful nations and exploits the rest, it seems like it does the same culturally. We say media is "global" now but how is it that so many people around the world know of hollywood things but we in the US don't know anything else besides hollywood
"reform" of indigenous (so-called "traditional') practices
we're made to think that modernization is linear progress in order to justify capitalism, but that really is not the case
globalism emerged in the political, corporate, journalisticand academic spheres both as a victory song
Interesting- i didn't realize this was the root of our current perception of globalism, but it makes sense given so many of the trade agreements, and other large capitalist dealings during the clinton administration
Madison
so interesting that Madison is included- I didn't realize it had that significant of a Mexican American population
detrimental, fossil-izing them into "official" banners of national identity
Is he saying that son jarocho wasn't able to develop further because it became an official part of national identity?
humorously mention cur-rent events and facts about musicians or people present.
this seems like it'd be very fun to be in attendance
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This is something so many classical music lovers don't understand about other music- just because it isn't harmonically complex doesn't mean it doesn't have its own complexities
Tuning was not understood as a seriesof specific pitches, like the contemporary notion of ,'turring,,, and theinstruments in the ensemble were tuned to each other as opposed toan external reference
Hm, very interesting- so overtime, does this just change the pitches theyre playing based on the weather?
a wayto identify with and to celebrate the cultural heritage of their parents,
reminds me of our discussion of Irish trad music amongst Irish Americans
is largely an invention of the Mexican filmand radio industries
Gets back into the idea of authenticity, and what makes something authentic (if that even matters)
remittances fror4 Mexican emigrants ranged between10% and 35% of the country's gross domestic product.
Wow, I didn't realize it was that large of a percentage
The country celebrates such a popula_tion in textbooks but neglects it in everyday life
Very interesting way to put this
Lila experienced both thebe.nefits of living in many cultures and the shortcomings of not beingfully accepted in any of them
Relatable. Definitely pros and cons
cumbia and hip-hop touches
wow, I'd love to hear this version
Musicians most used instru-ments on which the pitch could be varied, especially string instruments butalso, later, electronic keyboard instruments, the tuning of which could bemore easily adjusted than that of the piano.
is this because microtones were used often? or because there were different scales used besides the typical western modes?
the new, stronger nationalstation with its live performances by major stars became widely popular
I wonder if this was a way for the government to establish an "authentic" Egyptian sound, like some of the examples we talked about last week
Egyptian Radio was administered by Englishmen.
Of course it was (eyeroll)
was to bring along one's own sup-porters who would loudly voice approval of the singer and contend withproblematic patrons themselves.
20th century version of twitter Stans!
It was an occasionally annoying, but rec-ognizable and effective, means of establishing status.
The concept of divas can be found in so many music cultures!
She along with her accompanists were charac-teristically meticulous musicians and accomplished performers who tookwhatever time they deemed necessary to prepare to perform.
Very prevalent in american popular music today- a long wait for a concert is expected
who saw Westernization as the path to cultural accomplishment
this is prevalent in pretty much most non western cultures
violoncello
as a cellist I'm very curious why it was the cello specifically and not also violins and violas
singing along. The emotional impact of the monologuetext and its theatrical aim emphasized the solo singer's role as the centerof attention
Don't know if anyone else knows this reference but this really reminds me of Lorde shushing the audience when she was singing Writer in the Dark
Herlove texts resembled torch songs, speaking of love lost, love denied, and awoman left alone. The theme of love lost remained constant in Umm Kul-thurn's songs even as the tone, language, and genre of the songs changed.
So I guess she's the Celine Dion of Egypt
how a woman could representcultural achievement there.
I wonder if this could be compared to how Black Americans have always been at the forefront of American culture, whether food, music, sports, etc
perhaps this tendency represents an effort to avoid interpretations of cul-ture based on the works of "great men,"
that makes a lot of sense why you'd be cautious in forming cultural generalizations around just one person
Umm Kulthiim's repertory illustrates the difficulty of applying the Westerncategories of "art," "popular," or "folk" to non-Western repertories
I don't even think the categories of art, popular, or folk apply well to Western music
This was not the language with whichmany Egyptian listeners-even sophisticated musicians-evaluated UmmKulthum. It failed to account for her impact.
I'd like to see the classical music theory world start to embrace this more
In the 1960s, she sang in onlyeight, all basic
I'm curious as to why she made this shift
involves reaction and evaluation among those listeningtogether
These are the types of things I enjoy as an audience member- when you actually feel integral to the music making
Umm Kulthiim station.
Wow she has her own station- that's a pretty good way to highlight just how popular she was
the performing it-self, listening to performance, and speaking about music and performances.
Is this not musical practice in pretty much all cultures? I could be wrong because maybe I'm too fixated on all the Western cultures that this applies to though
Their talk helps to constitute identities of musical styles.
I think this is so important to our current western popular music scene
Why did this category emerge in musical expression and the surroundingdiscourse?
I feel like this question can apply to so much more than just Egyptian music cultures!
sheexperienced and responded to her audience and to the artistic, social, andpolitical forces surrounding her
my main criticism of the current classical music world is that this is not at the forefront of what we do as musicians. I think this is the most important part of music making (and really all of art)
widely viewed as a~tl, authentically Egyptian and Arab.
Who determined that this is what is authentic? I'm curious to see if it truly is authentic
Lis-teners remember this entire experience along with the sound
Such an important aspect to music for me!
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That's sad that this isn't a possibility anymore- seems like the process of learning this music has become so much more formalized (schools, etc)
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Reminds me of a lot of forms of media stereotyping in the US (ie the Blacksploitation films of the 70s)
Riverdance
I remember always seeing the cheesiest commercials for Riverdance on TV as a kid- definitely targeted towards an audience not knowledgable of authentic traditional music
broadening its popular definition to include virtually any song accompanied by acoustic guitar.
Was always interested in how 60s singer/songwriter ended up turning into being called "folk" even though it doesn't meet the actual definition of folk
twenty players
Wow I wonder how much this large instrumentation and more formal setting changes the vibe of the music and the experience for the audience
tunes have often been regarded as the personal property of the musicians who played them.
Would it be taboo in some circles to play someone else's tune? Even if you gave them credit?
concertina,
Never heard of this before!
aying for each other and immensely enjoying one another’s company. Th
what a great way to experience music making
Boston
I'm from Boston and the number of Irish Americans in Boston is the same as 1/3 of the entire population of Dublin- the Irish community is veryyy large near me
many country pubs served as gro- cery stores and post offices as well as taverns
Wow, something I never knew- no wonder why they become such a town center and an important gathering spot
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I'm sure Beethoven would be weirded out with an audience being silent after the first movement of the fifth symphony and Haydn would be very disappointed that an audience is too afraid to openly laugh after one of his musical jokes
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very interesting way to put it- the expectations are rigid, and we just live with it. Ex. Why can't we clap after a fast and loud first movement even if it happens to be way more exciting than the end of the piece? Idk, but we've just been told not to so we don't
how it is tha t reggae got big in Japan .
Did not know this was a thing- now I'm curious!
What does it mean when this performance (of this work) takes place at thistime, in this place, with these participants’?
Setting and occasion is so important in music making, yet it's often something we neglect to think about when we're preparing for a performance
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This is such an important question and really highlights some of the flaws behind the ideals of "absolute music"
it is spoken of asif it were nothing more than a presentation
This is why I'm so often sick of the philosophies we are taught as classical musicians, such as that these composers are so perfect that they leave no room for our own interpretations as performers. Marin Alsop is premiering her reimagined version (new text written by a living poet, a few additional musical things between some movements) of Beethoven 9 this week and I've seen so many people complain that it's essentially blasphemy
We even see it in the wa y the word music is commonly used ; we knowwhat kind o f music is dealt with i n the musi c departments o f universitie sand college s an d i n school s an d conservatorie s o f music
My school's name was the cleveland institute of music, yet we only had classical programs. Even when we tried to mention that we'd like to at least have a jazz program, we were always told that the school likes the classical tradition of a conservatory
What i s the function o f music i n human life?
I think the beauty of music is that there is no way to answer these questions! Everyone has their own personal meaning and function for music, and sometimes we don't even realize what our individual answers would be