Say first,
Feels like an instruction manual of sorts - not necessarily a bad thing - poetry can inspire further act just as well
Say first,
Feels like an instruction manual of sorts - not necessarily a bad thing - poetry can inspire further act just as well
justifie the wayes of God to men.
How does one explain the words/wisdom/ways of God to men just like speaker?
who first taught
One who began it all
O
All beginning of sentences are capitalized
OF Mans First Disobedience,
Not the first, but it's SO helpful that so many of these phrases or words are underlined and embedded. Without that, I would probably be MUCH more lost...What's the importance of doing this? (Could be post question)
death will neuer come, when needes require.
Death is unexpected and not when it is "needed"
weight
Multiple mentions of "weight"? What weight is this exactly?
wauing wings
LOTS of talk about his wings. What might be the significance? Upon research: symbolize freedom and spirituality This character however, seem to be more involved with devilish acts and "hell"
imperceable brest
Is it fair to say that when a woman's "breast" is described it is portrayed as being soft rather than strong, and then on a mans, it is "imperceable" and strong?
that horse and man to ground did rush.
So is he half man, half horse? OR is there a man on a horse and the description is just weird?
hell
Going after heaven, dies, and then is described as being "hell"? A bit ironic or coincidental?
heauens stood still amazed with his threat.
Going after the heavens rather than those on the ground? Maybe because the heavens are already seen as strong, while the grounds aren't as strong. Too 'easy' of a target? Wants more of a challenge?
82His
I feel like we're spending a LOT of time talking about this dudes wings...More expansion to keep the story on the longer side? I've done this in essays before ha...ha...ha
knight
Tricky, cause I originally read this as "night", not "knight".
Halfe flying, and halfe footing in his hast
Almost seems like half man, half beast thing?
Beast drew nigh
Yet another "beast" coming out, using his "hand" at night - Have we almost ever seen a villain like character coming out night?
shake the stedfast ground
Parents gave foundation, but now they're causing the shake and uneasiness
(said she)
What difference does it make to have "(quoth she)" or "(said she)" rather than actually quotation marks? I feel as though Old English still used quotation marks? Maybe I'm wrong in assuming so?
Edit: Did research and it seems they did use quotation marks. Why isn't Spenser using them then?
natiue soyle
Native soil? Where you/the speaker originates from - lots of mentioning of "parents"
kingdome to repaire
As if the "parents" did poorly on the with the foundation of the kingdom, so now their children have reparations to do.
the most dangerous game. Points for honesty.
Like any game that involves killing people and fighting for....Anyone specifically besides the urge inside us to fight and kill even though we can't in 'real' life...As my roommate is currently playing GTA that involves stealing cars, killing/shooting people, manipulation, gang violence, stereotypes ALL over the place
D&D, like Tolkien, makes race literally real in-game by applying immutable modifiers to character ability scores, skills, and other characteristic
What makes putting into a game like D&D justifiable? At least in some eyes. Or maybe they don't even realize what really going on? Or what they're involving themselves in and supporting it
mother’s generation
Generational differences: values, opinions, views on other generations before and after their own - can either seek out and understand them or completely judge them and not understand whatsoever. What affects can different generations have on one another?
backhanded compliment
"Sure, I may want to 'appear' rich, but when does it become a bigger stereotype and more or less a backhanded remark?"
Dungeons & Dragons
Cause we've neeeeever talked about that...lol
ouble gates
Pearly gates?
His forces faile, ne can no longer fight
Any tie to how he and his lady are falling apart - so is he?
A litle glooming light, much like a shade
There's some light, but also shaded (a shadow of the self?)
fire and greedy hardiment,119The youthfull knight could not for ought be staide,120But forth vnto the darksome hole
Difference between having a "fire" inside you versus escaping to the "darksome hole". Shows that someone could first have the fire, while then changing to that darkness
quoth
Quote?
thickest wood
Thickest woods: representative of someone's full/cluttered mind? Maybe why there is so much mention to singular trees and more
91At
Why does the translation seem to be getting better? Or is that just me
Willow worne of forlorne Paramours,76The Eugh obedient to the benders will,77The Birch for shaftes, the Sallow for the mill,78The Mirrhe sweete bleeding in the bitter wound,79The warlike Beech, the Ash for nothing ill,80The fruitfull Oliue, and the Platane round,81The caruer Holme, the Maple
More trees...
Pine, the Cedar proud and tall,70The vine-prop Elme, the Poplar neuer dry,71The builder Oake, sole king of forrests all,72The Aspine good for staues, the Cypresse funerall
Significance to relating to trees? What do each symbolize ( Pine, Cedar, Elme/Elm, Oake/oak, Aspine/aspen, Cypresse/cypress)?
innocent, as that same lambe,
What is the significance or tie to "lambs" and "innocence"? Where has this been seen before?
Ladie rode him faire beside
Like she backed him? Not literally "rode" beside him...Or maybe?
Gloriana
What is significance of italicized words, if any?
deepe wounds did remaine
Literal wounds? (Physical) or emotional scars (Mental, emotional)?
s too humble and too vile
Little bit of a contrast
TO
Always interesting that books and poetry and such start with capitalized lettering. Especially the "TO" and whoever the book is addressed to
hole truth
Believable or nah?
In the woods she finds that man whoLoves her more than any other
Well that was easy
She'll recognize it, easy, quick,
Like a secret pact between them
heard
Rumors - truth...or not?
night.
Like when most stories are told - or when characters/people don't want to be seen, heard
Don't be too surprised, really:Any true love who loves loyally
Can't tell who his "loyalty" is really for - those he "tru[ly] loves" or himself
truth to tell
The truth is important
myself
What a nice thought and statement that is SO true
thankfully
A strange feeling to be thankful to have anything to do with cancer...But in this case, as well as many others, understandable
breast itself but of the hubris that came with knowing I had been young and beautiful
Body parts, especially breasts, and women specifically can have a major effect on how we see or are seen as "beautiful".
I struggled with how to dress myself
There are multiple, different, times in a persons life that brings up this issue - whether post pregnancy, general body changes, insecurity of "style", or a major surgery like a mastectomy
To interview Senator Barack Obama on his campaign plane, I wore a gray ’50s-style circle skirt with embroidered flowers, a brown ribbed cardigan, and flat
Fun how being around other people can change the way we dress. Of course, for someone like President - then Senator - Barack Obama, you might want to dress prrreetty well versus how you might otherwise for any ordinary job interview or first date.
Lois Lane meets country club.
Fun and interesting image
You might want to think carefully about what it would mean to have such a radically different body.”
Now that's a handful and a half
My sweet husband looked at the brutal pictures of the women and the scars and didn’t say a word
Get you a man who: ! !
left breast
Left breast versus both...I've heard sometimes having both removed is 'better' than one. I wonder if that is only true for some women. I could never understand.
freaking
Adds a sense of comedic relief, can tell this person is trying to give a lighthearted account of what happened to her - much 'easier' to write and read sometimes in comparison to the darker part of this
.
Image on top of essay adds to power of piece, gives someone to visualize while reading
patient assumes the “instincts and propensities of a wolf
Maybe to escape his other 'life'? A way of transformation, but not to the fullest extent because they return to their 'natural'/original form
She didn't want ever to share his bed
;) ;) Maybe she's a furry
week
Why a week? A full moon usually only lasts 3 days. Maybe because he needs to find his way back home from wherever he traveled? Get some clothes?
I turn bisclavret;
Knew it!
Every week he was lost to he
Is he the "garwolf"? What's the difference between a "werewolf"?
lord
Rhyme starts to change in a way
Long ago you heard the tale told
Been passed on for generations - it's "old"
forget
I didn't even notice the rhyme until my second read thru...
So spoke the earth-stepper, mindful of miseries, slaughter of the wrathful, crumbling of kinsmen:
This being the speaker, while quotation is "earth-stepper", maybe a human? Ordinary or not
ocean’s
Lots about the "ocean" or "sea", in this poem and Wife's Lament - curious what importance it has. Maybe a sense of being lost?
Woe be to that one who must wait for their beloved with longing
Is her "beloved" someone separate from her "husband"? Seems like they can't exactly be the same people with the way she's described them.
none but death could separate us.
"nothing but death due us part" - from wedding vows
lord ordered
Not a request, an "order"
none greater than now
nothing greater than the present? What has happened was led speaker to this point
ife-forms themselves undermine distinctions between Natural and non-Natural.
"undermine" especially sticks out here
rus is
Comes up a lot...
not.
Easier than seeing what it "is"
ife-forms are liquid:
Like the fluidity of queerness ?
no text is totally authentic
Is there any possible way that it can be?
ist in relation to each other and derive from each other.
Entities: "Exist in relation..."
olution means that life-forms are made of other life-form
They all pile and compile off of one another! Like everything in the world and especially so in this class!
strange
"strange" - like a "strange stranger"??
hen we examine the environment, it shimmers, a
When we see it for what it really is
l life-forms, along with the environments they compose and inhabit, def
"inhabit" makes me think of blending in, in a sense. Or fitting in? Become an inhabitant somewhere?
Judith Butler m
Heeeeyyy! I know her ;)
merican ecocriticism is a
Basically causes "rugged individualism, phallic authoritarian sublime, and an 'allergy' to femininity in all forms".
installed in biological substance as su
Or else you could miss something...
hotomy of N
a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.
uman being" (defined as "man" and "woman")
Can't be anything else but a "man" or "woman"...Hmm sure
deserve
How would the forests even begin to "deserve" something, especially "protection"??
actively and passively destroy life-forms i
Damn, that hits hard
emands intimacies with other beings that queer theory also demands,
Ecology:
ts do it the hard way, up
Great...
ase bear with me on t
Asking the reader, wish I could do this in some of my essays...Especially as of late
SEEM INCOMPATIBLE
Heard that one before..
ecological thought, while hard to think thoroughly, is easy to latch onto from anywhere
Because of its interconnection
more you know about something, the stranger it grows
Like the uncanny? Having the sense that something is familiar but becomes not so eventually? Or can't understand why it does so
orm of dark ecol ogy
Like black and white...meaning only has 'two' sides? Or really because of the "darkness" aspect?
ecological thought is scientifi c, this implies that it has a high tolerance for negativity.
"high tolerance"
must include darkness as well as light, negativity as well as positivity
Because everything "must" or usually does?
Bright” conveys optimism,
Is the ecological world "not positive" because it's not particularly "optimistic"? Possibly out of the bigger picture naturally not being something overly 'nice'?
Thinking Big,
And seeing bigger...
intrinsically open, so it doesn’t really matter where you begin.
Because it all interconnects - finds it way around, like a circle or infinity symbol?
what counts as existent and what counts as non ex is te
"What counts"
we must challenge our sense of what is real and what is unreal,
The UNCANNY
“spoil the view.”
The look of it makes people uncomfortable? Is the discomfort a part of not being "natural" or "looking natural"?
t look “natural.”
What exactly does it 'mean' to "look natural"?
thinking about where your toilet waste goes
Hey ! ! ! Like Kincaid's essay
ecological thought is also diffi cult because it brings to light aspects of our existence that have remained unconscious for a long time; we don’t like to recall them.
Like what we repress, what the id, ego and superego 'protect' us from
opening
Sounds familiar ;)
Being a person means never being sure that you’re one
OOF
vast, sprawling mesh of interconnection without a defi nite center or edge
There's no clear end to it
separation.
It's actually what "separates" us rather than"embedding" us together
ecological thought insists that we’re deeply con-nected even when we say we’re no
Don't like to admit it? Acknowledge it?
ecological thought doesn’t just occur “in the mind.” It’s a practice and a pro cess of becoming fully aware of how human beings are connected with other beings— animal, vegetable, or mineral
Taking every single thing into consideration
order
Is 'Nature' providing that "order"?
Nature was an ideal image, a self- contained form suspended afar, shimmering and naked behind glass like an expensive painting.
Provided a look into what might just be "perfection", but we can never actually obtain/hold that
modern humans were looking in a mirror
Like a "double"?
we’re now dominating beyond all doubt, depends on our thinking past Nature
Is Nature a sort of hindrance?
ecological thought is modern
It is the now
This “concrete” infi nity directly confronts us in the actuality of life on Earth
What has been set out for us, our so-called "paths" like form that concreteness
A ny thinking that avoids this “totalit y” is part of the problem
If we avoid thinking of something as a whole, all it is, that becomes a problem?
once it’s open, there’s no closing
Like a virus...
you can’t unthink it:
It's stuck in there, becomes part of us
what you’re thinking about. It’s also a matter of how you think
Like theories before it! Structualism? No about the what, but the how
in order to have “ecol ogy,” we have to let go of “nature
How does one "let go" of nature?
creeps over other ideas until nowhere is left untouched by its dark pres-ence
All becomes intertwined
might exist after capitalism
The 'post'
It has to do with love, loss, despair, and com-passion. It has to do with depression and psychosis
'Human' emotion
bsessive compulsion, so like a manifestation of grief
Repetition compulsion to clean!!
code
What an interesting thought that Earth itself could be a "code".
Wall • E
Love this freakin movie!
humans and nonhumans.
Almost wanted to put "what is considered 'nonhuman'?" but I'd like to think that means animals and/or plants, objects?
Ecol ogy seems earthy, pedestria
Ecology - connected to nature? Connected to human beings
more we consider it, the more our world opens up
I'm sure because it gives a sense of comfort - becoming more aware and familiar with something provides a sense of ease once something is more or less known better
everything is interconnected
Everything goes off everything, like signifier/signified?
These struggles must be differentiated and noted, but they must not divide.
We are ALL women, no matter our seemingly apparent differences
they have left behind other women
Because they are possibly attempting to help themselves, give themselves a better chance and sometimes even there are others struggling it's difficult to help everyone
process begins at a young
Because most times we aren't told that it's particularly "wrong".
it is easier, “[t]o believe the dangerous fantasy that if you are good enough, pretty enough, sweet enough, quiet enough, teach the children to behave, hate the right people, and marry the right men, then you will be allowed to coexist with patriarchy in relative peace…” (Rivkin & Ryan 857)
'Helps' those who aren't seen, be seen more often as they are attempting to fit in to which is seen as culturally sound - or at least that's what they're told is such
ascend from their oppression by trying to appease the patriarchy that has become so institutionalized in society.
Sometimes its easier than trying to please those who see us as less than...
sisterhood that does not in fact exist”
Because we can never "truly" stand together? Because despite all of those of us who are women still have differences? So is there no way for us to unite in the end?
ppression is not just false, it is perpetuating the oppression that is not experienced by the more dominant women
Because there's almost always a "dominant" group, but does this always have to be so when it comes to women?
nbeknownst to them
This is the part that stumps me, in Lorde's writing especially. In many cases people unknowingly and unintentionally see people "differently". Part of me gets frustrated, especially between groups of women, because sometimes people really do it unintentionally...but maybe I am just speaking as someone who is white and female
positive
Another thing people attempt to do, but it isn't always resulted as being positive or viewed as such
“open-minded.”
We certainly 'try' to be
they probably view them as equa
Don't find many men like that...
simply because she bends to Adam’s will
Interesting how she's made from "Adam's rib" and you say that she "bends to Adam's will", kinda ironic sounding
This symbolizes that women come from man, and they are therefore NOT equal. Because of this, Eve is a perfect saint to Adam.
But women are involved too?? It takes two people!
mother,
At least that gives her some right, but it isn't quite what deserves
she considered herself his equal, she objected to lying beneath him
How dare she?? Ugh...
the expectation was that the woman would be grateful, or coquettish in some way or another. Essentially: they would go gaga for any guy who said something “nice” about them.
Because women are believed to fall under the words of men - or are expected to. If it is positive, then women "should" appreciate it heavily, but that certainly isn't always the case and shouldn't be!
she takes the blame for what happened to him, should anybody ask (but nobody does
It's interesting how people seem to sort of incessantly ask about Paco, but I believe because of how female orientated this film is, men are not a huge concern by the looks of it. And Raimunda says that he's the one that left and everyone just goes with it - maybe not to question her and the possibility that it could upset her if they pushed more? Or it invites the idea of women and their power to not need men (as they aren't present too much in this film).
but I really believe the crying is solely about what Paula went through.
Agreed
overcome the traumatic situation that had been looming for some time.
Question is, will this similar trauma follow Paula, similar to how it did with Raimunda? Or because Paco isn't really her father, will that make a difference? Will Raimunda carry this trauma too? Or did it resolve things, more so than complicate them?
All the more reason for Raimunda to be so quick to take the blame for it, though
I thought of it as more of a protection of Paula, and not because of Raimunda's similar trauma.. Hmm..
who is around the same age as Raimunda when she was abused.
Do we know this for sure? Maybe I'm just forgetting
doesn’t realize it
Repetition-compulsion usually is outside the awareness of who is doing so; similar to the uncanny (of course).
because Raimunda was sexually abused by her father as a young woman, she subconsciously chooses another man who has the same abusive behaviors as her father
This is common in other relationships too, whether it is a partner or a friend(ship)
probably brings her back to a dark time with her father, which makes her cry
Now that makes more sense, but at first we don't know exactly why she seems visibly upset by the fact that he does this. It isn't until the end of the film that her childhood trauma is revealed. I wonder if this could be part of the uncanny? Being aware that those actions related to her trauma upset her, but we (as the audience) aren't exactly sure why until the ending.
She lies, scams, and does whatever she needs to do to get away with this murder.
In order to protect Paula
I was honestly ready to fight Paco on sight,
Agreed
but once Mama spilled the beans to the audience, Raimunda’s role in the Paco situation definitely made a lot more sense
Of course, it isn't until the end
an act of translation
Translation
particular lens.
!! differentiating lenses does SO much to most or just about everyone
“postcolonial literature” would seem to label literature written by people living in countries formerly colonized by other nations.
Such a stereotype! Even I thought that before taking Rethinking Early American Lit
Many of the debates among postcolonial scholars center on which national literatures or authors can be justifiably included in the postcolonial canon.
Sounds like most canons in English literature...and more. Takes me back to Rethinking Early American literature and discussing over...and over what 'deserves' to be in it and what doesn't
Eliza
Is this still showing she's reliant on a man? Or is there some kind of improvement
and a man helping her up the bank.
Thank god, I thought she wasn't going to make it
“And sure as I am a Christian woman,” said Mrs. Shelby, “you shall be redeemed as soon as I can any way bring together means. Sir,” she said to Haley, “take good account of who you sell him to, and let me know.”
Interesting how this being said by a female character, as if it's more soothing than if it was from a man
My good boy,”
is this anyway close to being more personal than it seems?
As she was also so white as not to be known as of colored lineage, without a critical survey, and her child was white also, it was much easier for her to pass on unsuspected.
Does this make them lucky? Would they stand out because people would notice their 'differences' from themselves and make sure it was known
mother can’t eat
Sacrifice, showing Eliza with some more power instead of weakness as before. Maybe because being a mother is more powerful as she is if she wasn't?
If it were your Harry, mother, or your Willie, that were going to be torn from you by a brutal trader, tomorrow morning,—if you had seen the man, and heard that the papers were signed and delivered, and you had only from twelve o’clock till morning to make good your escape,—how fast could you walk? How many miles could you make in those few brief hours, with the darling at your bosom,—the little sleepy head on your shoulder,—the small, soft arms trustingly holding on to your neck?
If their children don't protect themselves, they'll need someone, definitely their mothers
she strained him to her bosom with a convulsive grasp,
Because of how often she is seen being fearful of just about everything, is this very accurate?
“O, George, for my sake, do be careful! Don’t do anything wicked; don’t lay hands on yourself, or anybody else! You are tempted too much—too much; but don’t—go you must—but go carefully, prudently; pray God to help you.”
Multiple examples including this one that shows she really does care about George, and only wants what is best even if it doesn't include her possibly
buy
Interesting use of word choice, why would he be buying them instead of just coming for them? Doesn't seem very much like family, but owning them too
Canada
Like in The Heroic Slave
No
Thrown back into reality from conversation with Misses earlier.
“O, but master is so kind!
What?! How tf
That’s why I wish I’d never seen you,—why I wish I’d never been born; it would have been better for us both,—it would have been better for this poor child if he had never been born.
! ! ! Exactly
Don’t you know a slave can’t be married? There is no law in this country for that
All too common in the world we live in today
“I an’t a Christian like you, Eliza; my heart’s full of bitterness; I can’t trust in God. Why does he let things be so?”
Definitely losing faith, is this going to put a divide between them? Or does she agree, since she has been doubtful. Maybe they'll fight it together, which may lead to worse things
Mas’r came along, and said I was feeding him up at his expense, and that he couldn’t afford to have every nigger keeping his dog, and ordered me to tie a stone to his neck and throw him in the pond.” “O, George, you didn’t do it!” “Do it? not I!—but he did. Mas’r and Tom pelted the poor drowning creature with stones.
He doesn't care about anything, he sees just about everything as inferior and that's that.
“I always thought that I must obey my master and mistress, or I couldn’t be a Christian.”
How would that signify whether she's Christian or not? Maybe that's what has been drilled into her head that it's the expectation. Also agree with a comment above that religion is usually used as a type of escape tool while here it's being feared, or causing fear
I wish I was dead!
I imagine if he gives up, she will most likely do the same because of how she looks up to him and relies on him so heavily. I still believe that he's also saying about death for himself and Harry out of wishing they weren't put through what they are currently going through..If they weren't alive, then they wouldn't have to 'deal' with it all
leaned her head on her husband’s shoulder, and burst into tears.
Eliza is portrayed as weak multiple times, then also literally leaning on her husband's shoulder and relying on him
“I wish he’d never been born!”
Harsh, but it seems like it is more out of the thought of his 'protection'. The fact that he's even alive and already a slave at his age, automatically puts him in danger. I don't think George meant it out of being mean, but that he's afraid for his son's life.
The
Each Chapter has a focus
a free countr
It's free on your side
bounds of reason and religion
Probably made her question her beliefs, why it happened to her, her husband and the passed children who had no choice
nothing to interrupt their happiness, except the loss of two infant children, to whom she was passionately attached, and whom she mourned with a grief so intense
No wonder the men taking away their children don't understand why they react the way they do..They don't know what they've been through, and like Eliza could have already lost children before
his determination to keep the power he possessed over his victim.
Almost like a snake wrapping itself around it's prey/victim
a whole volcano of bitter feelings burned in his bosom, and sent streams of fire through his veins.
He practically needs control and power, he'd probably burst just as similar to a volcano if he didn't
They are all labor-saving machines themselves
Without the slaves, the owners wouldn't feel as sense of being powerful. If there were machines in their place then all they would have is 'ordinary' machines that they can't really control
“O yes! a machine for saving work, is it? He’d invent that, I’ll be bound; let a nigger alone for that, any time. They are all labor-saving machines themselves, every one of ‘em.
"Why build a machine when you already have staked claim over people and viewed them as animals"???
isn’t the man mine?”
ownership, sees it as the opportunity to stake his claim and show he's in control - has the ability to be too
He was waited upon over the factory, shown the machinery by George, who, in high spirits, talked so fluently, held himself so erect, looked so handsome and manly, that his master began to feel an uneasy consciousness of inferiority. What business had his slave to be marching round the country, inventing machines, and holding up his head among gentlemen? He’d soon put a stop to it. He’d take him back, and put him to hoeing and digging, and “see if he’d step about so smart.” Accordingly, the manufacturer and all hands concerned were astounded when he suddenly demanded George’s wages, and announced his intention of taking him home.
Seen as a threat, and his master is able to take that away from him in such a way that there's almost no chance of repeating that fear
that his master began to feel an uneasy consciousness of inferiority.
power dynamics, insecurity
trader
heavier focus on Shelby rather than the "trader" Haley
religious
Religion !
Shelby
Using her married name