“Well, but, missis, you never would give your consent—to—to—
Why would her mistress be giving consent?
“Well, but, missis, you never would give your consent—to—to—
Why would her mistress be giving consent?
never means to sell any of his servants, as long as they behave well.
not so much if there's $$ involved, especially a large sum
o long as the failure, or misfortune, or imprudence, or death of the kindest owner, may cause them any day to exchange a life of kind protection and indulgence for one of hopeless misery and toil,—so long it is impossible to make anything beautiful or desirable in the best regulated administration of slavery.
foreshadow? "so as long as this, this, this, this and this doesn't happen, we chill"
mildest
good?
you Kentucky folks spile your niggers. You mean well by ‘em,
Not everyone treats everyone the same way..Especially if it's positively when it is typically highly negative otherwise
out of sight, out of mind,
you wish
it’s the devil
Trying to get them to understand the "magnitude" of the situation
trader
Haley is considered the "trader"
reader
interesting she decided to put that in
Mr. Shelby did not know what to say, and so he said, “Indeed!”
So "if you don't know what to say, then agree"
Clear waste, sir, of a thousand dollars,
Well maybe if she wasn't put through this treatment..
These critters ain’t like white folks, you know; they gets over things,
Sort of making them have some quality of a human, but almost gives them an appearance of not having feelings, or not caring nearly as much
Your wife might get her some ear-rings, or a new gown, or some such truck, to make up with her.”
Because they "care more about money then their own child"..jeezus
“the fact is, sir, I’m a humane man, and I hate to take the boy from his mother, sir.”
even though "I treat human beings as property and animals, I would never do such an awful thing as take a boy away from his mother"..yeah you're a great person..
wants to buy up handsome boys to raise for the market.
Probably to have more variety in his 'collection'..disgusting
women always say such things, cause they ha’nt no sort of calculation. Just show ‘em how many watches, feathers, and trinkets, one’s weight in gold would buy, and that alters the case, I reckon.”
Not only play on slaves, but on women too - making them out to be gold diggers and if you offer them enough they'll give in
Harry
Is it Jim or Harry? Probably because Haley doesn't care enough and takes away who they really are
all in perfect time to the music. “Bravo!” said Haley, throwing him a quarter of an orange. “Now, Jim, walk like old Uncle Cudjoe, when he has the rheumatism,” said his master. Instantly the flexible limbs of the child assumed the appearance of deformity and distortion, as, with his back humped up, and his master’s stick in his hand, he hobbled about the room, his childish face drawn into a doleful pucker, and spitting from right to left, in imitation of an old man.
Is he showing off to Shelby? Wants to prove the point that they'll do literally whatever he tells them to? It's sickening the random things he makes this child do, and you can tell he's done it quite a few times from how well the child does it with no questions asked.
throwing him a quarter of an orange.
Like a dog, and not even that much of food at all
grotesque
Interesting word choice
chucked
Like hit him?
master laughed.
So maybe they don't adore him despite the fact that he's "quadroon"
Hulloa, Jim Crow!” said Mr. Shelby, whistling, and snapping a bunch of raisins towards him, “pick that up, now!”
Unnecessary way to get his attention..
There was something in his appearance remarkably beautiful and engaging.
As in another comment, we've seen this in other texts especially in the other fiction writings of The Heroic Slave. Why is this so "remarkably beautiful" to them? Is it because they aren't 100% one thing vs the other?
with any of my hands
As if it he's actually doing any of the work or using his hands
as much conscience as any man in business can afford to keep
Can't be a "softy"
You ought to let him cover the whole balance of the debt; and you would, Haley, if you had any conscience.”
Reasons he's keeping Tom; He's Christian, does what he's told and earns him lots of $$. It's nothing that personal about who Tom is
I think you’re a Christian
Would he not otherwise..?
Yes, I consider religion a valeyable thing in a nigger, when it’s the genuine article, and no mistake.”
Can religion possibly correlate with knowledge? or do the people buying slaves not want them to be knowledgeable? Somehow religion makes slaves worth more money
critter
Who is this even about? Whoever it is, he's taking away the fact that he's also a HUMAN BEING
Some folks don’t believe there is pious niggers Shelby
Why tho
pious
devoutly religious
“No; I mean, really, Tom is a good, steady, sensible, pious fellow. He got religion at a camp-meeting, four years ago; and I believe he really did get it. I’ve trusted him, since then, with everything I have,—money, house, horses,—and let him come and go round the country; and I always found him true and square in everything.”
Somewhat sticking up for him, but it is interesting how he throws himself in their. Maybe not in a selfish or it's "all about me" kind of way, but so Haley listens more
as niggers go
Assumptions/stereotyping someone that may or not not be one, and of course he had to throw that in there because Shelby was even slightly complimenting 'them'
Tom is an uncommon fellow; he is certainly worth that sum anywhere,—steady, honest, capable, manages my whole farm like a clock.”
Kind of an odd combination of sentences in a way. Once saying he's "uncommon" and then next sort of complimenting him. Is he even talking about the same person?
Shelby
Quite the name
is hands, large and coarse, were plentifully bedecked with rings; and he wore a heavy gold watch-chain,
Has some sort of money
dressed
trying to be noticed? Stand out
did not seem, strictly speaking, to come under the species.
So technically speaking; "One of the guys/gals"
Although, I can’t say I’d do the same if I freed someone and they made the brash decision to walk right on back into the claws of danger. Seriously, Madison, cut your losses and stay in Canada where there’s poutine and Tim Hortons.
This ending is sort of abrupt, this author had a strong opinion about all this so I believe they could have ended stronger. But I get the rush to get something ended and posted on time.
abolitionist
I think he's just trying to help as he can, because of his relationship with Madison he trust him and understands what he truly wants and hopes for within his freedom. It also isn't particularly easy to save 130 people with two hands
selfishness
Maybe I didn't see it as selfish because he questioned it almost the whole time, so it wasn't as formal as just saying 'Being selfish'
(brave?)
Maybe it wasn't so brave? Is that what this poster is talking about? Because of the consequences Madison came upon
Mr. Listwell is an outspoken abolitionist
Yes, even when he questions what he believes in is correct
We get inklings of this sense of unease.
Practically defines the story man
point of view matters
P.O.V definitely definitely matters, because each story can be perceived completely different for totally different reasons.
eventually develops it into something that flips on its head.
He seems more manipulative than he makes Babo to be, maybe that's an image of himself if he were actually in the story?
sell a slave narrative.
I don't believe there is an attempt to "sell" it either. If Melville was attempting to sell it, he wouldn't have made Babo such an unlikable character. He would have done something similar to Douglass and made it honest and not make out the person in a bad situation to be a bad person.
. She
I think this could be "Sophia Auld, who treated him as a human being and not a slave." Only to transition the sentence better and not have another minor sentence. (ALL annotations are made by the group : Josh, Jen, and Delaney)
.
", because of returning to save.."
", where Washington.."
.
", leading him (Listwell) to become.."
staunch
good descriptive word for Listwell
.
", where Madison.." instead of a period
He
Who?
He died in 1895.
Kind of randomly put, could there be some context a little more
He gave many lectures abroad on the topic, and wrote multiple essays and biographical narratives for the cause.
Could add this sentence to the previous one to add more to it, since it relates
He devoted his life to the abolitionist movement.
Maybe add to this sentence, because it is a good point and statement.
In
Lower case 'I'
All the story does is reiterate the societal bounds that women and minority groups have been trying to break.
Like going back in time with history, getting their rights taken away and demonstrated in a much more negative light - yet they don't realize it is happening because they believe it is what the men need and want. Such a powerful and true statement.
Do they not have princess-based duties they need to be fulfilling?
The only thing they appear to be doing is pleasing men, looking after men, or any positive or negative action based off of what men need. Is their seriously nothing else they could/are doing? Or it is simply not mentioned.
I think the best and most female empowering part of the entire courtship between Winkfield and Princess Unca is when she forgoes her entire belief system and religion to conform to Winkfield’s
It is 'funny' because the fact that this happens is practically shed in a positive light, there is almost no negative language over the fact that she practically gives up almost all she is and believes in.
male colonialist’s wet dream.
Adds comedic language that the reader of this post can definitely relate to/understand
It doesn’t even pass the bechdel test!
Very true
an entertaining read back in the 17th century.
Good mentioning of different perspectives of readers
melodramatic
Another strong word
Winkfield drinks poison to prove his love for Unca and she miraculously revives him with her deep knowledge of North American botany, it truly feels like a scene stolen from Days of Our Lives.
Agreed with comments before, but it is also written so the reader sees it as more of magic rather than an act of love..sort of. It almost appears as if there is something religious to it as well
This over-romanticized tale of star-crossed lovers from opposite sides of the world could not reek more of predictability and cliche.
Quite a statement to say, causes argument of agreement or disagreement
traditional royal Native American
Interesting word usage of 'traditional'
a phenomenon that still exists today.
Unfortunately
Despite being saved by the very people whose land he set out to invade,
Not realizing you need someone or a group of people, until you're in danger
he too painted himself to be an innocent victim.
Makes people feel bad for them, an odd way to gain attention but a way rather than nothing
she—and society as a whole—deemed the context of her captivity unimportant.
Because she wasn't describing it in the way captivity was known to be
Ripe
not usually a positive adjective
overdose
It's too much for her, overdone
God in providing for such a vast number of our enemies in the wilderness, where there was nothing to be seen, but from hand to mouth.
So even though she saw God as not providing for them, they still found a way to survive and live with what they could get..While that also is what God is providing
if their corn were cut down, they would starve and die with hunger, and all their corn that could be found, was destroyed,
Something looked at to be small or simple could tear them apart or drag them down
derided
ridicule
It is the Lord’s doing, and it should be marvelous in our eyes.
So no matter how bad things may get or the bad things that happen, we should know it's the Lord's doing and it's for the best..?
Then I took it of the child, and eat it myself, and savory it was to my taste
Really thought she was going to help the child, but instead she acts in a way of being selfish and takes the whole thing..Wow
boiling corn and beans
More than the usual eating of nuts all the time
Englishman stripped naked, and lying dead upon the ground, but knew not who it was.
Even though this person is naked and dead, there still isn't a way to identify them - extremely sad and unfortunate
laid upon me less than I deserved
She thinks more harm should come to her? Like as if the punishment she has received isn't enough?
but I found no comfort here neither
Is her faith being swayed because of everything that is going on? She's progressively removing herself from her beliefs, including the act of not being effected by reading the bible
but that failed also.
Like as if in that moment something would happen? Things don't come that easily hon
and a company of barbarous heathens, my mind quickly returned to me,
But she was so excited to stay with them, is the rise of their mistreatment pushing her back to her original thoughts of them being "barbarous heathens"?
sight
Pretty lucky
she threw a handful of ashes in mine eyes.
Why?? Is there some metaphorical stuff going on cause this doesn't make much sense. Like said in another comment, this is the first time she's actually been hurt from them as we know
Lord
Instead of a coping mechanism, her Christianity seems like a shield to what has just happened. When her daughter died it seemed like she needed His help to get her through, but now it seems more like a way to avoid certain misfortunes .
roasted
So lie..is he dead? Or did they just cut off fingers..I am confused and disturbed
better
Seems appreciative
mess
Is her/their definition of 'mess' different from ours? Is it negative?
abode
It's like she doesn't mind the fact that it is two weeks of a trek, maybe she was used to traveling that much before or has gotten used to it?
which was that I desired,
Yeah sure, but even if you said that was what you want, they probably wouldn't have given it to you because you aren't in charge..Duuuh
I told them the skin was off my back, but I had no other comforting answer from them than this: that it would be no matter if my head were off too.
Sort of sounds like complaining or showing off, and the Indians aren't having it. Almost like she's being all high and mighty but they couldn't care less even if she had her "head off"
a good load at my back
She's able to carry more now? She's progressively learning and becoming stronger
through the good providence of God, I had a comfortable lodging that night.
Interesting how she points out God, even when it was the Indians that gave her a good place to sleep
nuts
That is a common snack, or even meal by the looks of some of the descriptions
I fain to stoop to this rude fellow,
I love how she just has to mention that she has to "stoop" to his level..I can't tell if that's meant to be sassy or what
presently
Just do it honeeey
home again
What 'home' is she talking about?
and lie somewhere else,
Guess she got too comfortable for them
own
Taking care of herself
some

my master being gone, who seemed to me the best friend that I had of an Indian,
No wonder she mentions him so much
My spirit was, upon this, I confess, very impatient, and almost outrageous. I thought I could as well have died as went back;
Because she couldn't keep going or because her mistress' sannup wouldn't join them? Was she jealous of him moving forward while she wasn't?
said I must go back again with her,
For her protection? The mistress is somewhat like her lookout for those she is less understanding
much cheered my spirit, and made my burden seem light, and almost nothing at all.
But she was excited to stay just above?
she gave me a slap in the face,
Reminds me of what you see in the movies when someone is getting out of hand, someone else slaps them in order for them to gain control of themselves again. Maybe this slap represents her mistress wanting her to realize her own strength
and never let her see it afterward
Becoming more and more like a secret. Will this be similar in her religion as a whole?
she snatched it hastily out of my hand, and threw it out of doors.
Is it because it upsets her personally, or does her mistress just think it isn't a good idea where she is
I asked my master whether he would sell me to my husband. He answered me “Nux,” which did much rejoice my spirit.
She certainly seems more interested to stay with them, then what the reader would normally think for her to be more anxious to see her husband. They may have said some strange and/or rude things to her, but she still feels comfortable enough to feel joy when they said she won't be leaving like that
none
Switching back to being kind, from where they were saying something about 'face breaking' before
here
He seems pretty mature, especially from able to help her so easily
river
Almost like the red sea
saw the smoke
I don't think Native Americans wanted them to find them, figured they were smart enough to not let the smoke from the fire signal the English
they would break my face
Odd how on one occasion or another they treat her kindly by allowing her to see her children sometimes, allowing her to ride on a horse and giving her enough shelter. Then they say something about bashing her child's head and then smashing her face? I'm not sure what makes them decide to be nice or not, but they definitely have an obsession with hurting someone's head. Maybe out of wanting to affect the brain since they see it as the most precious?
yet they were sweet and savory to my taste.
Food is food man
cold
Why are people wetting themselves down in such conditions? Is it not as cold or something, because they would almost instantly get hypothermia or something similar
wet
Interesting that she didn't, considering the background of what water can mean
mistress
Seems more of a healing provider or person, not the same as what we may perceive a mistress to mean
hereupon they took him upon their backs, and carried him, one at a time, till they came to Banquaug river
They'd do just about anything for each other, no matter what condition they or the other is in
decrepit
Even if they're barely alive or able, they still are alive and that means something to these people
stoutest
Possibly out of protection of those who weren't as 'stout'
wait I say on the Lord.
Try to find belief in the Lord and believe in the path he will take you in..But there is patience required
leave
Where would she even go
ome one way, and some another
Probably literally in one direction or the other, but when I first read this, I thought of one way could be to go living or die by not going
together, and turn all those curses upon our enemies.
Wishing something bad would happen to those who are doing bad to her and others in similar positions. Isn't that a sin? Or not seen as Christian
dark
Sadness or anger?
the wonderful mercy of God to me in those affliction
Saying that because she believes in God, they are sparing her life..Or God is protecting her from what they are doing to others
as their manner is
How they do things?
dame
Is he even old enough to have a wife?? How old is he anyway
master
Each have different masters
Sarah
The one that passed?
since the destruction of the town
Did they all find safety on their own? She knew they would be okay maybe?
my son came to me
Easily able to visit her, but she has three children so far..Where do they keep coming and visiting her from? Are they also captives?
at which they were provoked
They knew she was effected by her, seeing her..which they didn't want around
sold for a gun
Such a 'small' object for someone's life, especially a child. But a gun could also mean more since it can just as easily take away someone's life as it is to exchange one
Mary
Why do we learn this child's name, but not the one that passed? Shows level of importance, less importance?
child in the wilderness,
Part of the world now
they had buried it.
Least they buried it, told her where it was and was respectful of her and the child. Most captives wouldn't have even let her bury it in the first place
wicked
No matter what death she caused to herself, it would be violent because suicide is damned in Christianity
person
Even her own child?
water
Water tends to be more needed, even more than food sometimes
without any refreshing of one nature or other
Hasn't she had water though
it
Calling her child it almost makes them seem more separated from each other..less loving
comfort
Some kind of "comfort"
your master will knock your child in the head,” and then a second, and then a third, “your master will quickly knock your child in the head.”
In a way to 'just' knock it out, maybe even put her out of her own misery and theirs for how loud she is being..but not kill her
but as they carried him, and as he took oaken leaves and laid to his wound, and through the blessing of God he was able to travel again.
Kind of less from God and more from the people who carried him and took close attention and care to him
fight
Has a man fight instead of her
I then remembered how careless I had been of God’s holy time; how many Sabbaths I had lost and misspent, and how evilly I had walked in God’s sight; which lay so close unto my spirit, that it was easy for me to see how righteous it was with God to cut off the thread of my life and cast me out of His presence forever. Yet the Lord still showed mercy to me, and upheld me; and as He wounded me with one hand, so he healed me with the other.
Taking her life for granted, or feeling guilty for not thinking about God or being thankful towards Him. She realizes the time she has lost because of the lack of those thoughts
water
Surprisingly healing
exceeding
Probably from the sudden cold
behind
So she won't fall or she seems of less importance
Christian friend
No one who shares her faith
it quickly began to snow, and when night came on, they stopped, and now down I must sit in the snow, by a little fire, and a few boughs behind me, with my sick child in my lap
Illness and hypothermia must start to become a concern in that weather
Then they set me upon a horse with my wounded child in my lap,
At least they let her get on the horse in the first place
it
Is she calling her baby 'it'?
wounded
So not no longer alive, 'just' wounded
that it did not quite fail
God was something keeping her alive, even then
God
Religion
I must turn my back upon the town, and travel with them
Took her hostage, but she is abiding by them, probably to insure her own safety at this point
seven
Any special meaning to this number?
fallen
fallen seems to show an unwillingness to do so, or taken back without warning
Ay
Reminds me of Irish/Scottish language
one poor wounded babe
Her child is a part of her
the Indians told me they would kill him as he came homeward
Could be a way to make her do something, or she fears them more
the waste
Did they not use the animals the same way she did? Or less
hell
How does she know what resembles hell? And why does what they're doing remind her of it? Almost as if she hasn't done a single thing like this in her life or seen it
black creatures
Interesting word choice
What, will you love English men still?
Maybe by staying with the Native Americans, 'they' believe she may not like her own people still (The English)
we
Interesting use of "we" and "they", similar to other stories
we must go
She is being forced to go with people who she obviously doesn't care for
Though the process is long and demanding, to uncover this reality for but one tribe, one people-be they Pueblo or Lakota, Ashanti or Ainu, Eskimo or Malay-is to understand and appreciate it by inference for all the rest. The discovery of just one other way of being and becoming human puts to rest forever, for that discover- er, the destructive myth of a Euro-American monopoly on civilization, or language, or humanity
Something worth knowing..
Halloween and Thanksgiving
Only recognized for a short period of time
To investigate any Native American literature one must examine its evolution and development though time; one must know something of the language-its rules, its implied world view-of its creation; one must know something of the culture's his- tory of contacts with other peoples, both Native American and Euro-American; and one must know something of the modern social setting of the culture. The study of Pueblo literature, for instance, must begin with an awareness of the language and philosophy of the creation stories. It is important to realize a special archaic lan- guage exists within the culture exclusively for the transmission of rote-memorized, sacred literature. One must then proceed through a reading of the myth cycles, the historical sagas, the riddles and songs and religious chants, the treaties and diaries and autobiographies, and then continue with the work of Ortiz-Going for the Rain (1976)-and Silko. There is no shortcut to this or any other Native American litera- ture. If the study appears easy, something is wrong-for it is truly difficult to cross the boundaries of culture and time and class and language and see the world through another's eyes
Facts people! Facts
frustrating
Tell me about it
may be happening.
Hopefully becomes more than just "may"
adaptive
Finally!
modern
Unlike those around them that's for sure
function
Seen as better then? Resolved?
s real beauty and signifi- cance
Ignored, ignored, ignored, simplified, ignored, simplified, ignored, etc...
own
Pretty difficult to mess something like that up, maybe they were just forgetful to those who created it..I don't get it
ative American cultures is once again ignore
Because someone else's opinion was put in front of/instead of the truth and what was real
mania
Is it because that is what Euro-Americans thought it was? Like their own formulated opinion based on less material
Navajo
To make it seem more "Native American".. hah
k is truly a Native American's "statement," though certainly not the Native American poin
Yeah exactly, maybe it is within it for looks
riety of "Native
How is it defined as such..?
confor
Change practically everything about themselves in order to fit in..sounds like anyone who ventures into the U.S
Old
Even the names point to the more obvious English writers
s, even when conversing with each other in their own langua
Leading to have the appearance of someone with less intelligence
outsider's
Which can sometimes be harder to examine and believe
extinction
Probably because most people are becoming less and less interested in what they have to write..Possibly because no really understands and probably doesn't want to..willingly of course
he only way to be a good Indian was to be a dead one.
Well then..
killed
shocker..
omic; it un
Isn't there always some other meaning to a story..Like literally always
culture would noti
Will notice something completely different than someone else outside the culture
know
can get confusing if there isn't information to back up the story in the first place
porcupines
or talk at all for that matter
not
Typically easier to define than what it does mean