Codemeshing use the way people already speak and write and help them be more rhetori-cally effective
I love that Young is referencing rhetorical effectiveness--because (to me) this is what it all comes down to. And I think he's making this point very effectively in the article with the way he's chosen to write it.
The Internet, among other mass media, as well as the language habits ofAmerica’s ever-growing diverse ethnic populations be affecting how everybodytalk and write now, too.
This is so true. I see it more every year with my students, and as a result I'm adapting my teaching and my rubrics to reflect this. I place little to zero emphasis on grammar and much more emphasis on ideas when I grade and give feedback.
I call it CODE MESHING!
I like this new term. It's different than code switching and allows for both things to co-exist.
Also, Fish use his experience teachin grad students as evidence for his claim. Hesay his grad students couldnt write a decent sentence
Praise the heavens that this man was never my professor. From my perspective, a key requirement of being a good teacher is believing in your students and seeing the good and the potential. Seems Stan doesn't agree.
Fish say: “In a short, 13-wordsentence, the chief academic officer of the highest ranked university in the country,and therefore in the entire world, has committed three grammatical crimes, failureto mark the possessive case, failure to specify the temporal and the causal relation-ships between the conversations he has and the effects he regrets, and failure toobserve noun-pronoun agreement”
Fish is the literal worst. Who cares?! This man is on a soapbox no one cares about. Also, if even the chief officer at the best university is making grammatical errors, maybe it's time to rethink some things in terms of what we value.
This mean we should, for instance, teach how language functionswithin and from various cultural perspectives. And we should teach what it taketo understand, listen, and write in multiple dialects simultaneously.
I love this idea. I would also be curious about what this actually looks like and what it means in the classroom.
(Young).
Love that he cites himself. Mic drop
If students infected
This language reminds me of the reading Basic Writing and how people use medical terms to diagnose students as "sick". Now that I've read that, I'm not going to be able to help but notice it
people make theyselves targets for racism if and when they dont writeand speak like he do
This feels like victim blaming. Young is doing a great job dissecting the problems with Fish's ideas.
we were less tolerant of linguistic and racial differences
This. Stanley is discounting racial differences and by doing so is inadvertently (hopeful!) being biased and kinda racist. It's really hard to avoid that when saying Standard (white) English is the only acceptable form.
He say dont nostudent have a rite to they own language if that language make them “vulnerableto prejudice”;
Does this seem ironic to anyone else? Who made Stanley Fish the decider of these things?
clear your mind of [the following...]:“We affirm the students’ right to their own patterns and varietiesof language—the dialects of their nurture or whatever dialectsin which they find their own identity and style
Oh, Stanley. You narrow minded man. At first I thought I agreed with him. Then I re-read it once I saw the author and realized he was saying he doesn't think students have a right to their own language. That is absurd.