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  1. Dec 2019
    1. t is evident why a human being is more of a political animal than is any bee or any gregarious animal

      so if a city exists with people, it has to be political in order to run efficiently?

    1. a dead man has the same <visible> shape and figure that the living man has, but still it is not a 35 man.

      How would someone dying change what he was? A dead man is still technically a man

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    1. If, then, water cannot come to be from fire, or earth from water, then neither will anything be dark from being pale, or hard from 25 being soft;

      We've seen this argument before in earlier readings

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  2. Nov 2019
    1. Chance is not the same as luck, since it extends more widely

      is the difference that luck is generally a good thing where as if something happens by chance, it could be good or bad?

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    1. A belongs to B in its own right in the following cases:

      A lot of these examples are a little difficult to follow along with. I feel like it would be a little easier with actual examples rather than just the letters

    2. both those who lack knowl-edge and those who have it think they are in this condition, but those who 15 have the knowledge are really in it.

      Once again showing that having knowledge puts you on a different level than everyone else

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    1. Then evidently they lead us towards truth.

      How exactly do numbers lead us towards the truth? Like we discussed when reading Pythagoras, numbers are really only a concept, so how exactly can they lead us towards the truth?

    2. Realizing that the same applies to the soul, when someone sees a soul disturbed and unable to see something, he won't laugh mindlessly, but he'll take into consideration whether it has come from a brighter life and is dimmed through not having yet become accustomed to the dark or whether it has come from greater ignorance into greater light and is dazzled by the increased brilliance.

      I really like this comparison

    3. In the knowable realm, the form of the good is the last thing to be seen, and it is reached only with difficulty.

      What exactly is the form of good? I feel like something this broad is hard to give an actual form to.

    4. Do you suppose, first of all, that these prisoners see anything of themselves and one another besides the shadows that the fire casts on the wall in front of them?

      It's all a matter of perspective

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    1. What about those who define the good as pleasure?

      This shows that different people have different definitions for good. How exactly can we know if something is good based on what one person might say/define as good?

    2. Nonetheless, we were compelled by the truth to say that no city, constitution, or individual man will ever become perfect until either b some chance event compels those few philosophers who aren't vicious (the ones who are now called useless) to take charge of a city, whether they want to or not, and compels the city to obey them, or until a god inspires the present rulers and kings or their offspring with a true erotic love for true philosophy.

      Hypothetically this perfect city would work out but in reality, the idea is way to broad

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  3. Oct 2019
    1. You agree, then, that the women and men should associate with one another in education, in things having to do with children, and in guarding the other citizens in the way we've described

      They should be equal in everything

    2. And then, as the children are born, they'll be taken over by the officials appointed for the purpose,

      So is the idea of having children just about reproducing rather than having a family?

    3. Do you know of anything practiced by human beings in which the male sex isn't superior to the female in all these ways?

      All they are trying to do is prove that men are superior for women.

    4. Or should we keep the women at home, as incapable of doing this, since they must bear and rear the puppies, while the males work and have the entire care of the flock?

      More of the sexism that always comes up

    5. I suspect that it's a lesser crime to kill someone involuntarily than to mislead people about fine, good, and just institutions. Since it's better to run this risk among enemies than among friends, you've well and truly encouraged mel

      This to me seems as if they are implying that it is okay to be unjust to your enemies

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    1. They say that to do injustice is naturally good and to suffer injustice bad, but that the badness of suffering it so far exceeds the goodness of doing it that those who have done and suffered injustice and tasted both, but who lack the power to do it and avoid suffering it, decide that it is profitable to 359 come to an agreement with each other neither to do injustice nor to suffer it. As a result, they begin to make laws and covenants, and what the law commands they call lawful and just.

      I kind of got lost while reading this

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    1. “Now, some people are pregnant in body, and for this reason turn moreto women and pursue love in that way,

      This is what I was saying earlier. This is really the only mention of love in a feminine way.

    2. t, he is himself the mostbeautiful and the best; after that, if anyone else is at all like that, Love isresponsible

      I feel like when people think of love and Aphrodite as the goddess of love, it has a very feminine connotation. It's interesting that they keep bringing it up using "he".

    3. violence never touches Love.

      A lot of the things that he is saying that 'love is not' are negative. Does this mean that he is implying Love can only be good? And I'm curious to see what other people think about this idea.

    4. For he walks not on earth, noteven on people’s skulls, which are not really soft at all, but in the softest ofall the things that are, there he walks, there he has his home.

      Some of the things that they are bringing up/referencing are very random...

    5. Therefore I say Love is the most ancient of the gods, the most honored,and the most powerful in helping men gain virtue and blessedness,whether they are alive or have passed away.

      This is very interesting overall

    6. We are told that when each person dies, the guardian spirit who wasallotted to him in life proceeds to lead him to a certain place, whence thosewho have been gathered together there must, after being judged, proceedeto the underworld with the guide who has been appointed to lead themthither from here.

      There's a lot of talk about the underworld but not really anything/anywhere else. Why is this?

    7. Socrates, the soul resembles the divine, and the body resem-bles the mortal.

      I like the way that this is worded. I think that this is a really good description of the overall thought process

    8. fills uscwith wants, desires, fears, all sorts of illusions, and much nonsense, sothat, as it is said, in truth and in fact no thought of any kind ever comes tous from the body.

      Is he saying that these things can only happen if you have a body?

    9. Do webelieve that there is such a thing as death?

      What exactly does he mean by this? I think most people would be able to agree that death is a thing, but what happens after death or to your soul is a different question.

    10. the wise would resent dying,whereas the foolish would rejoice at it.

      Is the implication that because he is dying, he will be with the gods, which are supposedly his 'good master', and that is what makes him wise?

    11. When she saw us, she cried out and said thesort of thing that women usually say

      Even though they don't particularly say anything too sexist here, you still get the idea that women just don't have the same respect that men have during this time just by the way that this is worded.

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    1. whether we should attack virtue as something teachable, or as a natural gift, or in whatever way it comes d to men.

      virtue is something that is different for everyone, so I don't necessarily think that it is teachable.

    2. Do you mean that they believe the bad things to be good, or that they know they are bad and nevertheless desire them

      This is a very interesting idea. Everyone believes that their own thoughts are correct, but it's interesting to think of whether people who do bad things think of their actions as good and vice versa.

    3. it is easy to say that a man's virtue consists of being able to manage public affairs and in so doing to benefit his friends and harm his enemies and to be careful that no harm comes to himself;

      Is harming someone else though virtuous? Even if they are an enemy?

    4. Can you tell me, Socrates, can virtue be taught

      I think that this is a very interesting question to start the reading off with. I also think that this is something that we should discuss in class.

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  4. Sep 2019
    1. There are many reasons, men of Athens, why I’m not resentful at thiseoutcome—that you voted to convict me—and this outcome wasn’t unex-pected by me. I’m much more surprised at the number of votes cast on36each side: I didn’t think that the decision would be by so few votes but by agreat many

      This is interesting that it seems as if he isn't too impacted by the outcome. or someone who seems very strong willed, it's interesting to see this perspective

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    1. prosecuting those who commit an injustice, such as murder ortemple robbery, or those who’ve done some other such wrong, regardlessof whether they’re one’s father or one’s mother or anyone else whatever.

      Is this something that everyone else disagrees on? Morally speaking, this seems to make the most sense, so it's surprising to me that Euthyphro would have his opinion on the matter stand out from other people

    2. eletus, ifyou agree that Euthyphro is wise about the gods, you should also regardbme as correctly acknowledging them and drop the charge

      I'm still confused as to how Euthyphro's viewpoints about the gods are different than what everyone else believes

    3. They probably think you rarely put yourself atother people’s disposal, and aren’t willing to teach your own wisdom.

      Is this referring to his different religious beliefs from the majority of the people in Athens?

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    1. He was the first to use in dialectic the argument of Antisthenesthat attempts to prove that contradiction is impossible.

      This is something I know that we touched upon last class, but I think it would be interesting to bring this up again in discussion

    2. Concerning the gods I am unable to know either that they are orthat they are not or what their appearance is like.

      This seems to be considering something besides the anthropomorphic view of God that most people seem to have

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    1. here can be an atom the size of a kosmo

      Is he saying that there can be one singular atom the size of the cosmos? I think I might be interpreting this wrong as it seems that this is going against everything else that is being said

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    1. The things in the one kosmos have not been separated from oneanother, nor hacked apart with an axe—neither the hot from the coldnor the cold from the hot.(

      Is his claim that everything is mixed together in way way or another, except for the mind?

    2. All things were together.” All things except Mind (Nous), which is pure andunmixed, and which knows and controls all things.

      This reminds me of the mind/body distinction. Except he is saying that the mind is separate from everything else, not just the body

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    1. halfthe distance, but these are infinite, and it is impossible to get throughthings that are infinite.

      Just because it is impossible to get through something that is infinite, why does that make him question whether or not motion is a thing or not? I'm really curious to hear other peoples perspectives on this idea.

    2. it is without starting or ceasing, since coming-to-be andperishing

      I feel like he is using a lot of opposites in order to explain things which is making what he is trying to say like a riddle

    3. What-is must be whole, complete, unchanging, and one. It canneither come to be nor pass away, nor undergo any qualitative change

      What kind of things would would fit all of these categories? This idea is very unrealistic, and it's interesting to see this belief.

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    1. Ethiopians say that their gods are snub-nosed and dark,Thracians, that theirs are grey-eyed and red-haired.

      Another example as to how people are going to perceive the gods based on their own cultures and ideals.

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