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  1. Feb 2022
    1. Climate unfolds over decades. Although short-term changes might be deemed news, they need to be considered in a many-decade context.

      This is true and contradicts the article title and focus on a the past decade (really since 2013) of slower rates of ice mass loss.

    2. slowdown

      But still extremely negative ice mass balance.

    3. Since human warming influences on the climate have grown steadily—they are now 10 times what they were in 1900— you might expect Greenland to lose more ice each year. Instead there are large swings in the annual ice loss and it is no larger today than it was in the 1930s, when human influences were much smaller.

      This is a really simplistic interpretation that negates physics of glacial ice and its response to annual ocean and atmospheric temperatures. The non-linear response of the Greenland Ice Sheet to warming and the lag time between, for example, a warm month or couple of months and ice mass loss means that there are asynchronous changes in climate and ice mass balance.

    4. it would take about 10,000 years for all the ice to disappear

      Rather than extrapolating cumulative ice loss, a peer-reviewed study that uses fine-scale ice sheet model with uncertainty quantification indicates the Greenland Ice Sheet could disappear entirely in 1,000 years.

      Aschwanden, A., Fahnestock, M. A., Truffer, M., Brinkerhoff, D. J., Hock, R., Khroulev, C., ... & Khan, S. A. (2019). Contribution of the Greenland Ice Sheet to sea level over the next millennium. Science advances, 5(6), eaav9396.

    5. Its shrinking has been a major cause of recent sea-level rise, but as is often the case in climate science, the data tell quite a different story from the media coverage and the political laments

      The data reflect major losses of ice, via ice thinning, ice mass loss, and accelerated ice discharge, despite a lower magnitude of overall ice mass loss since 2013; but the mass balance is still negative and on track (based on the multi-decadal trend) to continue to loss mass.

    6. Greenland ice sheet on course to lose ice at fastest rate in 12,000 years.

      This headline reflects a major finding of a peer-reviewed study.

      Briner, J. P., Cuzzone, J. K., Badgeley, J. A., Young, N. E., Steig, E. J., Morlighem, M., ... & Nowicki, S. (2020). Rate of mass loss from the Greenland Ice Sheet will exceed Holocene values this century. Nature, 586(7827), 70-74.

    7. annual loss has been decreasing in the past decade

      The rate of ice mass loss has decreased since 2013, yet the annual loss of ice is still considerable and reflects the long-term impact of atmospheric warming and ice dynamic response to such.

      Shepherd, A., Ivins, E., Rignot, E., Smith, B., Van Den Broeke, M., Velicogna, I., ... & Wuite, J. (2020). Mass balance of the Greenland Ice Sheet from 1992 to 2018. Nature, 579(7798), 233-239.

  2. Mar 2020
    1. Extreme melting events in Antarctica have also revealed more of existing islands.

      I am not aware of previously unidentified islands revealed by melting events in Antarctica.

    2. We've contacted them to ask more details about the size of the Sif.

      It is important to note for all media outlets that contacting scientists regarding discoveries made in the field or on the ship while in Antarctica is extremely difficult due to limited to no internet access. While on the ship, scientists do not have access to their institutional email accounts.

    3. It emerged from the ocean due to melting ice and changing temperatures causing pressure to build in the region

      This is not true, and was not stated by Dr. J.S. Wellner.

    4. made of granite

      This is true based on preliminary visual identification of rocks sampled on the island.

    5. , which is what happened with this new island that's now emerged off the coast of Antarctica.

      False.

    6. Extreme melting and changes to the climate like this has released pressure on to the continent, allowing the ground to rise up.

      It is true that reduced ice load on the solid Earth leads to land rebound; however, it is not true or even plausible that a single record warm day is responsible for island discovery (possibly due to emergence or simply ice shelf retreat) 2,000 kilometers away.

    7. This has caused ice caps to melt and glaciers to retreat.

      To my knowledge, the record daily temperature is not responsible for widespread melt of glacial ice in the northern Antarctic Peninsula and certainly not an immediate retreat response in the local glacial systems.

    8. hottest temperature on record

      The record temperature was recorded as one measurement and not a part of a long-term measurement dataset.

    9. never-before-seen island

      The island reference here is near Pine Island Bay in the Amundsen Sea, over 2,000 kilometers away from Seymour Island where the record air temperature was recorded. For reference, attributing the new-found island in Pine Island Bay to air temperature at Seymour Island would be like blaming heavy rainfall in Austin, Texas to air temperature in Los Angeles, California.

    10. emerging

      Because this island has just been identified and its history is completely unknown, we don't know if it emerged from below sea level to above sea level by a process called glacial isostatic adjustment, or the floating ice shelf has simply retreat from the island. Regardless, based on historical satellite imagery, the island seems to have been uncovered in the early 2010s. Much work is needed to confirm whether the island emerged from beneath sea level or was deglaciated by the ice shelf retreating landward off the island.

    11. UNPRECEDENTED temperatures in Antarctica

      The record air temperature occurred on Seymour Island in the Antarctic Peninsula, over 2,000 kilometers from the uncharted island.

  3. Nov 2019
    1. is going

      More accurate to say 'it could get worse'

    2. irreversible collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet

      It is generally true that conditions are suitable for irreversible collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet via the process called 'Marine Ice Sheet Instability' where an initial forcing of ice sheet retreat progresses inland due to a landward-sloping bed that forces marine-based ice sheets to retreat into yet deeper and deeper water. However, there are potential brakes that could halt this 'irreversible' retreat including bumps in the bed topography that the ice is sitting on top of that can act as pinning points as well as increased lateral drag at the ice marginsthat can slow down ice flow and retreat. However, bed topography beneath the ice is not well-resolved and the jury is still out on whether current retreat is truly irreversible.

    3. early 2000s

      Antarctic ice shelf collapse is documented from the mid-1990s onward.

      Vaughan, D. G., and C. S. M. Doake (1996), Recent atmospheric warming and retreat of ice shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula, Nature, 379, 328–331.

      Scambos, T., C. Hulbe, and M. Fahnestock (2003), Climate‐induced ice shelf disintegration in the Antarctic Peninsula, in Antarctic Peninsula Climate Variability: Historical and Paleoenvironmental Perspectives, Antarct. Res. Ser., vol. 79, edited by E. Domack et al., pp. 79–92, AGU, Washington, D. C.

    4. underestimate the severity of threats

      The current IPCC projections are not intentionally underestimated. We are still at a stage of discovering new processes that are important to the ice-ocean-climate system; therefore, taking a step forward of being able to incorporate important processes in models, to varying degrees, limits the uncertainty and magnitude of future changes. For example, recent numerical model work by Robel et al. (2019) has demonstrates the importance of a single ice-destabilizing process in sea-level projections that can increase the magnitude and uncertainty in sea-level scenarios. This is just one example of how a single process or condition impacts the (un)certainty in future sea levels and thus limits community planning that takes into account a large range of scenarios, in particular the high-end scenarios that will be more costly for mitigation infrastructure.

    5. Antarctic ice sheets were stable

      Although this was the conception, the idea that the Antarctic ice sheet was stable in the 1990s largely stems from a lack of continental scale observations provided by remote sensing and a lack of widespread in situ, on-ice observations. Therefore, late 20th century thought of a stable Antarctic ice sheet stemmed from negative evidence, rather than positive evidence supported by observations.

  4. May 2017
    1. the shelf seems stable now, but computer forecasts suggest that it might be vulnerable to rapid collapse in the next few decades

      Using the geological record of Antarctic Ice Sheet behavior, the Ross Ice Shelf has collapsed in the past (Yokoyama et al., 2016, PNAS), likely in response to ocean and atmosphere warming. Therefore, we know that the Ross Ice Shelf, which currently protects large portion of the Antarctic Ice Sheet (Fürst et al., 2016, Nature Climate Change), is susceptible to collapse.

    2. vulnerable parts of the ice sheet

      The vulnerable parts of the ice sheet are those that resting on beds that are below sea level; therefore, the ice itself is in contact with a warming ocean. The majority of the West Antarctic and ~30% of the East Antarctic sectors of the ice sheet are grounded below sea level.

    1. Historically, increases in atmospheric CO2 followed increases in temperature, they did not precede them. Therefore, CO2 levels could not have forced temperatures to rise.

      This claim is flawed. Ice core records of past greenhouse gas and atmospheric temperature change (e.g. Monin et al., 2001, Science), coupled with records of ocean temperature and circulation changes (e.g. Skinner et al., 2010, Science), indicate that there are complex feedbacks between earth-atmosphere-ocean changes that lead to naturally variable greenhouse gas changes. In some cases during past deglaciations, increases in CO2 have lagged methane (CH4) increases and associated atmospheric temperature rise, owning to natural processes that induce greenhouse gas release into the atmosphere. This is not the case for twentieth century and beyond human-induced atmospheric CO2 and temperature increases.

      Regardless of the source and cause of atmospheric CO2 increase, it will have a warming effect. Basic science does not change; CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is released into the atmosphere by burning of fossil fuels and leads to atmospheric warming.

    2. IPCC, created to find and disseminate research finding a human impact on global climate, is not a credible source. It is agenda-driven, a political rather than scientific body, and some allege it is corrupt

      This statement is false. The IPCC reports are written by a large number of international scientists to comprehensively summarize existing literature on climate change in the past, present, and future and its impacts on society. Although many countries are involved in the IPCC, the organization objectives and resulting publications are not biased by politics, but purely scientific.

  5. Apr 2017
    1. science is not done by polling, it’s done by numbers

      Science is sound when similar numbers are reproduced multiple times by multiple people and, in some cases, using different methods. That is how a consensus is formed on any given topic.

    2. Greenland ice sheet and the west Antarctic Ice sheet

      This is correct. The Greenland Ice Sheet is losing mass primarily due to increased surface melting due to rising atmospheric temperatures, whereas the majority of the margin of west Antarctic Ice Sheet is directly in contact with a warming ocean and has experienced increases in melting around the margin of the ice sheet that leads to ice shelf thinning and ice sheet retreat.

      References: Rignot, E., Box, J.E., Burgess, E. and Hanna, E., 2008. Mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet from 1958 to 2007. Geophysical Research Letters, 35(20).

      Shepherd, Andrew, et al. "A reconciled estimate of ice-sheet mass balance." Science 338.6111 (2012): 1183-1189.

    3. climate

      It is more accurate to use 'scientific community' rather than 'climate community' because scientific studies of climate change and responses to climate change are not just from the more narrow community of climate scientists, but from scientists across a variety of fields. Simply, the scientific community (biologists, atmospheric scientists, oceanographers, geologists, glaciologists, climatologists, etc.) have come to an overwhelming consensus that recent climate change is human-induced.

    4. causes of recent warming

      The causes of recent warming are not only based on global climate models. Observations from instrumental and proxy measurements also support that the accelerated rate of climate change (and associated ice mass loss and sea level change) is caused by human activity.

    5. consensus on human caused climate change is based on thousands of scientific studies conducted by thousands of scientists

      This is correct and supported by multi-disciplinary scientific studies that collectively capture the coupled response of the earth, atmosphere, ocean, and biological systems.

  6. Feb 2017
    1. warmer oceans have also begun to destabilize glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica

      This is especially true for marine-terminating glaciers, meaning that the seaward-most margin of the glacier rests on a bed below sea level and, therefore, in direct contact with the ocean. Examples are glaciers in the Amundsen Sea, Antarctica such as Pine Island and Thwaites glaciers (Jacobs et al., 2011; Shepherd et al., 2004), currently experiencing rapid retreat that is associated with warm ocean water melting the glaciers and their floating ice shelves.

      Jacobs, S.S., Jenkins, A., Giulivi, C.F. and Dutrieux, P., 2011. Stronger ocean circulation and increased melting under Pine Island Glacier ice shelf. Nature Geoscience, 4(8), pp.519-523.

      Shepherd, A., Wingham, D. and Rignot, E., 2004. Warm ocean is eroding West Antarctic ice sheet. Geophysical Research Letters, 31(23).

    2. consistent with and strongly suggestive of human-driven warming

      This is supported by the relatively rapid (sub-decadal to decadal) changes in global ocean oxygen loss that are consistent with rapid changes in atmospheric greenhouse gas emissions and associated warming effects on the atmosphere and ocean, when compared to the longer-term context recorded in geological archives of past ocean variability.

  7. Nov 2016
    1. coral survived this bleaching event

      Readers would benefit from more details on why portions of the reef are not as sensitive to bleaching. What causes spatial differences in bleaching? For example, Marshall and Baird (2000) demonstrate that bleaching sensitivity depends on the coral taxa.

    2. man-made climate change and the natural El Niño climate pattern caused the die-off.

      This statement could benefit from scientific references for the contributions of anthropogenic versus natural (i.e. El Niño) ocean warming to observations of coral bleaching.

    1. When someone says, “climate science is settled,” remind them to check the facts

      This statement highlights the major problem with this article. The authors do not support their claims with scientific references and data. Their logic is flawed and does not take into account basic scientific theories that explain, for example, the role of certain gases in causing a greenhouse effect and the negative impacts of high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The authors' confusion of solid particulates in the atmosphere versus greenhouse gases results in many of misleading claims. So based on this statement and the lack of scientific references in this article, readers should be prompted to disregard the majority of claims presented here.

    2. Feeding these people and assuring them a comfortable living standard should be among our highest moral priorities

      Climate change and poverty go hand in hand, as developing counties are disproportionately affected by climate change.

    3. provide no benefits to most people anywhere in the world

      This is simply not accurate. Global warming is a global issue that, for example, affects global coastal populations, marine ecology, crop stability, and the area of habitable land. Humans, especially in countries with the largest carbon emissions, have been successfully altering the entire Earth system; therefore, climate change is currently the most global issue that we face and will continue to face in the coming centuries.

    4. genuine pollutants

      Authors should have stated what they mean by 'genuine pollutants.'

    5. greenhouse gas which helps maintain earth at a habitable temperature

      This is true. Habitable temperatures, however, do not mean comfortable temperatures and that all life can flourish. Habitable temperatures mean that it is physically and biologically possible for some kind of life can survive.

    6. But a myth persists that is both unscientific and immoral to perpetuate: that the beneficial gas carbon dioxide ranks among hazardous pollutants. It does not.

      This is vastly incorrect.

    7. particulates, metals and varied gases—all of these: ozone, lead, carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen and sulfur

      Solid particulates and the gases listed do not influence climate change. The two major greenhouse gases are carbon dioxide and methane. Direct measurements from the atmosphere, such as from the Mauna Loa station, and measurements from 'fossil' air preserved as bubbles in ice cores indicate CO2 and CH4 have been increasing at unprecendented rates in post-industrial times. The concentrations of CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere today are higher than they have been in the past 800,000 years, which is the age of the oldest ice core.

  8. Oct 2016
    1. This will achieve almost nothing.

      The idea that cutting carbon emissions is futile or too late appears to be common theme in some recent articles on climate change. This is simply not true considering carbon builds up in the atmosphere and has a lasting influence on global climate for decades to come. We can reduce future anthropogenic global warming in the coming decades and centuries by making an effort to cut emissions today, and that should be a catalyst for global policy change to cut emissions as soon as possible.

    2. islands’ resilience

      Although my background is not in economics, I would think relatively poor low-lying nations do not have the necessary resources to make their lands resilient to the effects of sea level rise. Yes, cutting carbon emissions and moving toward green energy is currently an expensive endeavor, but so is coastal management and engineering, especially for nations where the majority of people are below the poverty line and political corruption is already a problem. Therefore, the presented logic seems flawed, at least without presenting a 'cost-benefit' analysis between cutting global carbon emissions versus coastal engineering to mitigate the effects of sea level rise for low-lying coastal populations.

    3. rising seas

      The article mentions sea level rise numerous times without providing a reference to the rates or trends of sea level rise for the Marshall Islands. Sea level in the Marshall Islands is rising at a rate of ~2.4-4.8 mm/yr, measured between 1968 to 2011. This is higher than 20th century global mean sea level rise of 1.5-1.9 mm/yr (IPCC AR5).

    4. erosion from sea-level rise, leading to net land-area gain

      As wave energy and rising sea levels batter coastlines, the erosional products (i.e. sediments) can either be accreted onto the existing land or removed offshore into the deep ocean. Where the sediment is redistributed depends on a number of factors. Although sediment accretion can increase land area, it does little to change the elevation of low-lying islands, like the Marshall Islands. Therefore, people living in low-lying areas, even if there is historical land area gain, are still susceptible to inundation and damages due to storm waves, higher-than-usual tides (e.g. king tides), and sea level rise. These unconsolidated, loose sediments are also easily mobilized; therefore, localized land area gains by sediment accretion can be very dynamic on short timescales. This article could leave readers thinking that land area gains alone can mitigate the effects of sea level rise on low-lying coastal areas, but land elevation is what is really important.

    1. risk of triggering earthquakes

      There is a big misconception about the trigger of recent earthquakes in Oklahoma. Fracking in the United States has been used for several decades. However, the disposal of waste water into the subsurface has been directly linked to the recent Earthquakes in Oklahoma. A quick google scholar search on 'Oklahoma earthquakes' will bring up numerous articles that demonstrate this point. My family has lived in Oklahoma for decades and I can tell you first-hand that the increase in number of >3.0 magnitude earthquakes is unprecedented in the past 8 years.

    2. totally unscientific

      The ability of greenhouse gases to trap heat in the atmosphere, the fact that loss of ice decreases how much energy is reflected from Earth's surface back to space, and ocean acidification due to uptake of CO2 into the ocean are all scientifically explained by chemical and physical processes. I am sure there are different definitions of 'the green movement', but any action that 'the green movement' can advocate for reduced greenhouse gas emissions has the potential to alter the physical, chemical, and biological processes that cause warming.

    3. most desirable cities

      Desirability of a location has nothing to do with how safe it is from the effects of climate change.

    4. unexpectedly

      Yes, there are dynamic changes and feedbacks within the climate system, which is why climate scientists study non-linear behavior so that we can better understand how the individual pieces work and how they fit together. This is precisely why we have a range of climate predictions for the future, which are constrained by climate change in the past through geological, instrumental, and historical observations and provide scientific-based predictions of climate change.

    5. now accepted

      Climate science is based on physical, biological, and chemical processes. There are feedbacks between these processes such as biological consumption of atmospheric CO2 by photosynthesis. However, the idea of a self-regulated Earth system due to biological activity is not a common principle of climate science.

    6. too late

      The 'it's too late to do anything about it' idea is socially (and environmentally) irresponsible. The carbon that humans have pumped into the atmosphere will have continued effects on global warming for the next decades to century due to the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere. Therefore, without mitigation, we prolong anthropogenic warming of the atmosphere and ocean.

    7. Before the end of this century, 80% of the world’s population would be wiped out.

      This statement is not founded by science.

  9. Sep 2016
    1. m

      Readers might not realize 'm' stands for 'million'.

    2. faster rebound

      Good point. Changes in ice load and Earth's rheology (thickness of the rigid outer layer and properties of the underlying mantle) are important for determining rates of rebound. Give the same ice load/deloading, rebound rates would be expected to be higher in areas of lower mantle viscosity or thinner crust than areas of higher mantle viscosity or thicker crust. Therefore, spatial (and temporal) variability in ice mass loss estimates from GPS stations must take into account Earth's rheology.

    3. lost entirely

      While it is important to recognize the potential sea level equivalents held up in current ice sheets, complete loss of the Greenland Ice Sheet by 2100 is not reasonable and would likely take thousands of years.

      For a paleo-perspective, Greenland ice cores and ice sheet models demonstrate that parts (now which parts are up for debate) of the Greenland Ice Sheet did collapse during the last interglacial period (~125,000 years ago) when global mean atmospheric temperature was ~1 degrees C warmer than pre-industrial temperature; however, sectors of the ice sheet remained intact.

    4. falling into the sea

      'draining and calving' is more appropriate

    5. major contributor to rising sea level

      To expand on this statement, observations of ice mass loss indicate that the Greenland Ice Sheet contributes 0.33 [0.25-0.41] mm/yr to global sea level rise. Contributions from thermal expansion and glaciers outside of Antarctica and Greenland are are currently the major contributors to global sea level rise followed by contributions from the Greenland Ice Sheet.

    6. Ice cap

      'Ice sheet' is more accurate.

    1. slow the rise of the sea

      Although measuring how long CO2 stays in the atmosphere due to various sources and sinks, the IPCC AR3 gives an estimate of atmospheric CO2 residence time of 50-200 years. This means that CO2 already in the atmosphere will contribute to global warming, ice mass loss, and sea-level rise for the coming decades to centuries.

    2. national

      and global

    3. That local factor means, in essence, that the region is a few decades ahead in feeling the effects of sea-level rise

      This could be rephrased to be more quantitative by stating that the rate of local sea level rise in the area of 4.5 mm/yr (over the period between 1927 CE and 2015 CE) is larger than the rate global mean sea level rise of 3.3. mm/yr (over the period of 1994-2011).

    4. often just a foot or two deep

      I would like to see the support for this statement. Is this average storm wave height across the US coastline above a certain tidal datum?

    5. tidal

      Tides are not the only cause of variations in water levels. It would be better to use the all inclusive term 'water levels' here to encompass changes in coastal flooding due to longer-term sea level rise, tides, storms, etc.

  10. Aug 2016
    1. ‘Next year or the year after, the Arctic will be free of ice’

      Title is misleading. Wadhams suggests that the central Arctic will be ice free in the summer.

    2. more and more people will be drowned

      This is alarmist. Low-lying coastal communities will either have to modify or abandon the coast due to sea-level rise. It is true that developing countries will have less resources for coastal adaptation and will suffer more from rising sea level. However, it is ridiculous to assume that people living in developing countries will simply drown as they watch water levels rise. These communities will likely have to abandon the coast.

    3. 60 to 90 centimetres this century

      This range is not entirely accurate. Using different climate scenarios, global mean sea level is predicted to rise by 0.26 to 0.98 m by the end of the century. This does not include potential collapse of marine-based sectors of the Antarctic Ice Sheet, which could raise these estimates. Recent work suggests that Antarctica’s contribution to sea level could contribute >1 m to sea level rise on top of the IPCC AR5 estimates.

    4. These effects could add 50% to the impact of global warming that is produced by rising carbon emissions.

      I would like to see the support for this statement.

    5. People tend to think of an ice-free Arctic in summer in terms of it merely being a symbol of global change.

      This is a good point. Changes in one part of the Earth system due to warming are not in isolation and result in feedbacks in other parts of the Earth system.

    6. thick icecap

      Arctic sea ice is typically less than 4 m thick.

      The use of ‘ice cap’ traditionally implies a body of ice on land that covers less area than an ice sheet; however, the article discusses sea ice, not an ice cap, which is floating ice that forms due to freezing of surface water.