a generation seraphically free From taint of personality,
Individuality isn't helpful to the Machine.
a generation seraphically free From taint of personality,
Individuality isn't helpful to the Machine.
You who listen to me are in a better position to judge about the French Revolution than I am. Your descendants will be even in a better position than you, for they will learn what you think I think,
The supposed better situation
Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element - direct observation
there it is again.
First-hand ideas do not really exist.
?
The habit was vulgar and perhaps faintly improper: it was unproductive of ideas, and had no connection with the habits that really mattered.
Opposite of that which is considered civil
The first of these was the abolition of respirator.
Even more restriction
On the surface they were revolutionary, but in either case men"s minds had been prepared beforehand, and they did but express tendencies that were latent already.
Being prepared intentionally by the Machine for this kind of development.
He was mad. Vashti departed, nor, in the troubles that followed, did she ever see his face again.
Ominous sounding...
Because I have seen her in the twilight - because she came to my help when I called - because she, too, was entangled by the worms, and, luckier than I, was killed by one of them piercing her throat."
Another person on the surface?
I prefer the mercy of God." "By that superstitious phrase, do you mean that you could live in the outer air?" "Yes." "Have you ever seen, round the vomitories, the bones of those who were extruded after the Great Rebellion?" "Yes." "Have you ever seen, round the vomitories, the bones of those who were extruded after the Great Rebellion?" "Yes." "They were left where they perished for our edification. A few crawled away, but they perished, too - who can doubt it? And so with the Homeless of our own day. The surface of the earth supports life no longer."
Maybe more propaganda created by the Machine.
I woke up in this room
Very strange...
They were searching it in all directions, they were denuding it, and the white snouts of others peeped out of the hole, ready if needed.
Is this the Machine fighting back against the mutiny?
(That part is too awful. It belongs to the part that you will never know.)
What does he mean by this??
I had better escape to the other air, and, if I must die, die running towards the cloud that had been the colour of a pearl. I never started. Out of the shaft - it is too horrible. A worm, a long white worm, had crawled out of the shaft and gliding over the moonlit grass.
What even....
my respirator had gone.
uh-oh
Not until it was too late did I realize what the stoppage of the escape implied. You see - the gap in the tunnel had been mended; the Mending Apparatus; the Mending Apparatus, was after me.
The Machine maybe has something to mend breaches in the system, like such?
As I said, I had entirely forgotten about the Machine
Because in comparison there is so little it really does that is of benefit.
But she was also inquisitive.
natural human curiosity.
"I had meant to tell you the rest, but I cannot: I know that I cannot: good-bye."
Why??? You've gotten this far!
hat it is we that are dying, and that down here the only thing that really lives in the Machine? We created the Machine, to do our will, but we cannot make it do our will now. It was robbed us of the sense of space and of the sense of touch, it has blurred every human relation and narrowed down love to a carnal act, it has paralysed our bodies and our wills, and now it compels us to worship it. The Machine develops - but not on our lies. The Machine proceeds - but not to our goal. We only exist as the blood corpuscles that course through its arteries, and if it could work without us, it would let us die.
** MP, people are slaves to the Machine.
"I don"t think this is interesting you. The rest will interest you even less. There are no ideas in it, and I wish that I had not troubled you to come. We are too different, mother." She told him to continue.
She's just dumbfounded at this point I think.
If he did not die today he would die tomorrow. There was not room for such a person in the world.
Can't have defaulted ones.
So I jumped
An act of complete letting go and trust/belief
I was getting beyond its power. Then I thought: “This silence means that I am doing wrong.
Full on rebel
rough edges cut through my gloves so that my hands bled.
This is probably something they aren't very used to either.
I felt that humanity existed, and that it existed without clothes. How can I possibly explain this? It was naked, humanity seemed naked, and all these tubes and buttons and machineries neither came into the world with us, nor will they follow us out, nor do they matter supremely while we are here.
** MP. This is an allusion to a Bible verse, I'm pretty sure.
the spirits of the dead comforted me. I don"t know what I mean by that. I just say what I felt.
"superstitions had gone" but he can feel and sense something emotionally meaningful.
hold the pillow of my bed outstretched for many minutes.
That's really light though lol
You are throwing civilization away.
By "regressing".
For Kuno had lately asked to be a father, and his request had been refused by the Committee. His was not a type that the Machine desired to hand on.
There's something different about him, and they know it.
I did not fear that I might tread upon a live rail and be killed. I feared something far more intangible-doing what was not contemplated by the Machine.
Physical consequences not as scary as the social ones.
did traces of them remain?
Smart thinking. different ideas than the ones the society wants.
I began by walking up and down the platform of the railway outside my room. Up and down, until I was tired
Unheard of.
"You know that we have lost the sense of space. We say “space is annihilated”, but we have annihilated not space, but the sense thereof. We have lost a part of ourselves.
This is not to our benefit, but our disadvantage. Denying things makes us weaker, exploring and having experiences makes us stronger.
In the dawn of the world our weakly must be exposed on Mount Taygetus, in its twilight our strong will suffer euthanasia, that the Machine may progress, that the Machine may progress, that the Machine may progress eternally.
Like a chant or scripture of shorts.
By these days it was a demerit to be muscular. Each infant was examined at birth, and all who promised undue strength were destroyed.
Not fitting to the environment they are to live in. How did K get through like that then?
"Well, the Book"s wrong, for I have been out on my feet."
"The Book doesn't hold all the answers, Mom! The world isn't that simple, they just want you to think it is."
I am most advanced. I don"t think you irreligious, for there is no such thing as religion left. All the fear and the superstition that existed once have been destroyed by the Machine
Brainwashed by the comfort of this world they live in that she can't see how it has restricted what one can get out of life.
"You are beginning to worship the Machine," he said coldly. "You think it irreligious of me to have found out a way of my own
More allusion to spirituality/god and right/wrong.
"I did not get an Egression-permit." "Then how did you get out?" "I found out a way of my own."
Didn't follow the rules...
Homelessness means death. The victim is exposed to the air, which kills him.
Because homes are under the surface, and no homes means the surface which means death...
"I have been threatened with Homelessness," said Kuno.
This is a punishment, which is considered something undesirable. What did he do wrong that this is being threatened?
greatly retarded the development of my soul.
Part of the "ideas" = the development of the soul?
She was too well-bred to shake him by the hand.
No real human interactions are desired in this world.
which exactly resembled her own
Uniformity.
He had been sent to Sumatra for the purpose of propagating the race
How does that happen/work?
The passengers sat each in his cabin, avoiding one another with an almost physical repulsion and longing to be once more under the surface of the earth.
Interact and talk to each other, but never in person.
"Cover the window, please. These mountains give me no ideas."
one major purpose in life is to have ideas (?)
"You must excuse my common way of speaking. I have got into the habit of calling places over which I pass by their unmechanical names."
no longer directly in the Machine so falling out of Machine-related normalities.
People were almost exactly alike all over the world, but the attendant of the air-ship, perhaps owing to her exceptional duties, had grown a little out of the common. She had often to address passengers with direct speech, and this had given her a certain roughness and originality of manner. When Vashti served away form the sunbeams with a cry, she behaved barbarically - she put out her hand to steady her. "How dare you!" exclaimed the passenger. "You forget yourself!"
Direct interaction is inherently "wrong" and backwards. things we might considering comforting are to them undesirable.
It was the last time that men were compacted by thinking of a power outside the world
Seems to be something now frowned upon in this society.
punishable by Homelessness.
denying a room? therefore a place in the Machine.
those who were civilized and refined
Are there people considered not to be?
When the air-ships had been built, the desire to look direct at things still lingered in the world
Direct looking, things aren't skewed but presented as-is
phosphorescence
not natural of normal water. Dictionary.com- the property of being luminous at temperatures below incandescence, as from slow oxidation in the case of phosphorus or after exposure to light or other radiation.
"O Machine!" she murmured, and caressed her Book
God-like, yet also ironic that there is still a physical, bound book in regular use, not a technological device conveying the info but a real book...
in each room there sat a human being, eating, or sleeping, or producing ideas
The purpose of human life in this society.
rooms, tier below tier, reaching far into the earth
This massive complex of underground buildings.
but she was expected to walk from it to her cabin. Some cabins were better than others, and she did not get the best.
Not used to a place where her every need and whim is taken care of instantly and to "the best".
There was even a female attendant
An actual person doing things for people instead of the Machine providing all.
Vashti treading on the pages as she did so.
Isn't this bad?
some one actually said with direct utterance
The word "direct" is recurring. Their society seems to dislike things that are "direct".
The man in front dropped his Book - no great matter, but it disquieted them all. In the rooms, if the Book was dropped, the floor raised it mechanically, but the gangway to the air-ship was not so prepared, and the sacred volume lay motionless
Again this religious-like fascination with the book and devotion to the Machine.
cinematophote
Seems it's either what the plates are called, or some movie-like thing.
flank of the ship, stained with exposure to the outer air, her horror of direct experience returned
They live such sheltered lives...
old literature, with its praise of Nature, and its fear of Nature
We have always used nature as a kind of lens or way of viewing ourselves and our place in the universe. With that gone they no longer have that (partly because they don't think it is necessary anymore).
. Night and day, wind and storm, tide and earthquake, impeded man no longer.
Humans have "overcome" such obstacles.
Christchurch (I use the antique names)
"Old", no longer typical or used.
the first fellow creature she had seen face to face for months
A world of little true interaction.
tottered into the lift
Moving on her own legs?!?!?!
True, but there was something special about Kuno
Is she already doing something unusual by continuing to keep in contact with one of her children?
But she thought of Kuno as a baby, his birth, his removal to the public nurseries, her own visit to him there, his visits to her-visits which stopped when the Machine had assigned him a room on the other side of the earth. "Parents, duties of," said the book of the Machine," cease at the moment of birth. P.422327483."
I figured something along these lines. What about the father? Lack of loving attachment it seems. Simply for the purpose of continuing life.
"I will not tell you through the Machine."
Maybe it has to due with ditching the Machine? And you can't say things like that through the Machine?
So the human passions still blundered up and down in the Machine
But it's much harder for them to exist.
Vashti was seized with the terrors of direct experience. She shrank back into the room, and the wall closed up again
A fear of actually doing and experiences...
since her last child was born
How does having children even work in this society?
long before the universal establishment of the Machine
When and what constitutes this?
an unfamiliar button. The wall swung apart slowly. Through the opening she saw a tunnel that curved slightly, so that its goal was not visible. Should she go to see her son, here was the beginning of the journey
She can leave her room... but very rarely.
palpitating
to pulsate with unusual rapidity from exertion, emotion, disease, etc.; flutter -Dictionary.com
invisible sun
Aren't there health problems for people who never go outside or receive proper sunlight?
exchanged ideas with her friends
Thought that life has depth of thought and therefore depth of meaning, but very little true experience, and therefore severely lacking.
"O Machine!" and raised the volume to her lips. Thrice she kissed it, thrice inclined her head, thrice she felt the delirium of acquiescence. Her ritual performed, she turned to page 1367,
Seems like a Bible or holy book of their society.
dyspeptic
indigestion
survival from the ages of litter-one book. This was the Book of the Machine
What kind of things are in this book? Is it like a manual, a history, or something else?
under the ground
So they do live under the surface of the earth.
Complaint was useless, for beds were of the same dimension all over the world, and to have had an alternative size would have involved vast alterations in the Machine.
Uniformity is necessary and there is no real choice in the matters of living.
Her lecture, which lasted ten minutes, was well received, and at its conclusion she and many of her audience listened to a lecture on the sea;
Is this a common practice? That any people can give lectures? Based on this idea of having ideas? Or is she just part of a higher class?
The clumsy system of public gatherings had been long since abandoned; neither Vashti nor her audience stirred from their rooms. Seated in her armchair she spoke, while they in their armchairs heard her, fairly well, and saw her, fairly well.
All life happens in their respective rooms. Who controls all these technicalities? The Machine, or are there people behind it?
THE MACHINE STOPS by E.M. Forster (1909) ITHE AIR-SHIP Imagine, if you can, a small room, hexagonal in shape, like the cell of a bee. It is lighted neither by window nor by lamp, yet it is filled with a soft radiance. There are no apertures for ventilation, yet the air is fresh. There are no musical instruments, and yet, at the moment that my meditation opens, this room is throbbing with melodious sounds. An armchair is in the centre, by its side a reading-desk-that is all the furniture. And in the armchair there sits a swaddled lump of flesh-a woman, about five feet high, with a face as white as a fungus. It is to her that the little room belongs. An electric bell rang. The woman touched a switch and the music was silent. "I suppose I must see who it is", she thought, and set her chair in motion. The chair, like the music, was worked by machinery and it rolled her to the other side of the room where the bell still rang importunately. "Who is it?" she called. Her voice was irritable, for she had been interrupted often since the music began. She knew several thousand people, in certain directions human intercourse had advanced enormously. But when she listened into the receiver, her white face wrinkled into smiles, and she said: "Very well. Let us talk, I will isolate myself. I do not expect anything important will happen for the next five minutes-for I can give you fully five minutes, Kuno. Then I must deliver my lecture on “Music during the Australian Period”." She touched the isolation knob, so that no one else could speak to her. Then she touched the lighting apparatus, and the little room was plunged into darkness. "Be quick!" She called, her irritation returning. "Be quick, Kuno; here I am in the dark wasting my time." But it was fully fifteen seconds before the round plate that she held in her hands began to glow. A faint blue light shot across it, darkening to purple, and presently she could see the image of her son, who lived on the other side of the earth, and he could see her. "Kuno, how slow you are." He smiled gravely. "I really believe you enjoy dawdling." "I have called you before, mother, but you were always busy or isolated. I have something particular to say." "What is it, dearest boy? Be quick. Why could you not send it by pneumatic post?" "Because I prefer saying such a thing. I want----" "Well?" "I want you to come and see me." Vashti watched his face in the blue plate. "But I can see you!" she exclaimed. "What more do you want?" "I want to see you not through the Machine," said Kuno. "I want to speak to you not through the wearisome Machine." "Oh, hush!" said his mother, vaguely shocked. "You mustn"t say anything against the Machine." "Why not?" "One mustn"t." "You talk as if a god had made the Machine," cried the other. "I believe that you pray to it when you are unhappy. Men made it, do not forget that. Great men, but men. The Machine is much, but it is not everything. I see something like you in this plate, but I do not see you. I hear something like you through this telephone, but I do not hear you. That is why I want you to come. Pay me a visit, so that we can meet face to face, and talk about the hopes that are in my mind." She replied that she could scarcely spare the time for a visit. "The air-ship barely takes two days to fly between me and you." "I dislike air-ships." "Why?" "I dislike seeing the horrible brown earth, and the sea, and the stars when it is dark. I get no ideas in an air- ship." "I do not get them anywhere else." "What kind of ideas can the air give you?" He paused for an instant. "Do you not know four big stars that form an oblong, and three stars close together in the middle of the oblong, and hanging from these stars, three other stars?" "No, I do not. I dislike the stars. But did they give you an idea? How interesting; tell me." "I had an idea that they were like a man." "I do not understand." "The four big stars are the man"s shoulders and his knees. The three stars in the middle are like the belts that men wore once, and the three stars hanging are like a sword." "A sword?;" "Men carried swords about with them, to kill animals and other men." "It does not strike me as a very good idea, but it is certainly original. When did it come to you first?" "In the air-ship-----" He broke off, and she fancied that he looked sad. She could not be sure, for the Machine did not transmit nuances of expression. It only gave a general idea of people - an idea that was good enough for all practical purposes, Vashti thought. The imponderable bloom, declared by a discredited philosophy to be the actual essence of intercourse, was rightly ignored by the Machine, just as the imponderable bloom of the grape was ignored by the manufacturers of artificial fruit. Something "good enough" had long since been accepted by our race. "The truth is," he continued, "that I want to see these stars again. They are curious stars. I want to see them not from the air-ship, but from the surface of the earth, as our ancestors did, thousands of years ago. I want to visit the surface of the earth." She was shocked again. "Mother, you must come, if only to explain to me what is the harm of visiting the surface of the earth." "No harm," she replied, controlling herself. "But no advantage. The surface of the earth is only dust and mud, no advantage. The surface of the earth is only dust and mud, no life remains on it, and you would need a respirator, or the cold of the outer air would kill you. One dies immediately in the outer air." "I know; of course I shall take all precautions." "And besides----" "Well?" She considered, and chose her words with care. Her son had a queer temper, and she wished to dissuade him from the expedition. "It is contrary to the spirit of the age," she asserted. "Do you mean by that, contrary to the Machine?" "In a sense, but----" His image is the blue plate faded. "Kuno!" He had isolated himself. For a moment Vashti felt lonely. Then she generated the light, and the sight of her room, flooded with radiance and studded with electric buttons, revived her. There were buttons and switches everywhere - buttons to call for food for music, for clothing. There was the hot-bath button, by pressure of which a basin of (imitation) marble rose out of the floor, filled to the brim with a warm deodorized liquid. There was the cold-bath button. There was the button that produced literature. and there were of course the buttons by which she communicated with her friends. The room, though it contained nothing, was in touch with all that she cared for in the world. Vashanti"s next move was to turn off the isolation switch, and all the accumulations of the last three minutes burst upon her. The room was filled with the noise of bells, and speaking-tubes. What was the new food like? Could she recommend it? Has she had any ideas lately? Might one tell her one"s own ideas? Would she make an engagement to visit the public nurseries at an early date? - say this day month. To most of these questions she replied with irritation - a growing quality in that accelerated age.
How old is "old" in their society?
Would she make an engagement to visit the public nurseries at an early date?
Is this like, raising children? Publicly?
Has she had any ideas lately?
This abstract concept of having "ideas" seems to be important...
The room, though it contained nothing, was in touch with all that she cared for in the world.
This idea of having access to everything while being in a kind of isolation is again, very reminiscent of our modern world of computers and social media.
warm deodorized liquid
Does water exist?
(imitation) marble
Their society lacks the real stuff of almost anything. Again, settling for what's close is good enough.
the Machine
Always referring to it as "the Machine". Is there like one central, commanding one? Or just the broad concepts of the collective of all the machines they use on a daily basis?
"It is contrary to the spirit of the age," she asserted. "Do you mean by that, contrary to the Machine?"
Concept of where one belongs.
no life remains on it, and you would need a respirator, or the cold of the outer air would kill you. One dies immediately in the outer air."
humans have completely destroyed the earth and atmosphere?
I want to see them not from the air-ship, but from the surface of the earth, as our ancestors did, thousands of years ago. I want to visit the surface of the earth." She was shocked again.
Do they live in these isolated boxes of sorts? No wonder she is so disturbed when she sees the earth and the stars.
. Something "good enough" had long since been accepted by our race.
Good enough isn't the best. He seems to long for the truth and the best. Life isn't about settling for it's about striving for and reaching for things.
manufacturers of artificial fruit
Their society still has these foods, but their production is so drastically different.
the Machine did not transmit nuances of expression. It only gave a general idea of people
A reason for him to want to see her. This lacking of the "ful picture"
The three stars in the middle are like the belts that men wore once, and the three stars hanging are like a sword."
Orion?
"I dislike seeing the horrible brown earth, and the sea, and the stars when it is dark. I get no ideas in an air- ship." "I do not get them anywhere else."
The distinct contrast between the two. One dislikes seeing the real and the natural and the other loves it.
air-ship
Airplanes were in their extreme infancy at this point... An expansion upon this primitive device.
"I want to see you not through the Machine," said Kuno. "I want to speak to you not through the wearisome Machine."
Machines taking over every aspect of life and how we interact. Her son is longing for the human interaction that is lacking due to such "advancement".
Vashti
Is this her name? These names seem bizarre. Especially for the time period it was written in.
pneumatic post
This almost sounds like something from Brave New World.
plate
This is a kind of screen... Not all that far of from what is reality now.
I must deliver my lecture
Is she someone of elevated importance? A scholar? As she is giving a lecture...
She knew several thousand people, in certain directions human intercourse had advanced enormously.
Sounds almost like an ominous prediction of the world we live in now. Who would have known in 1909 that we would have something like Facebook to keep track of the people we "know" and creating another method for social interaction that allows for a broader scope (even if that means possibly having shallower levels of interactions/relationships).
The chair, like the music, was worked by machinery and it rolled her
Potential laziness to the extreme, that one doesn't have to stand or walk, a chair conveniently brings you where you need to be.
Already a sense of something "unnatural". The possibility of something being lit up by something other than natural light... strange during a time still fascinated by the advent of electric light.
only implement whatever decisions the community as a whole directed them to
More "democratic" in a sense, and potentially more anarchic too
The annihilation of the character, thus, is total.
I think rightfully so. It still is different from RL in the fact that the real person is still very much alive and going on with their lives. It's just their online character that is lost.
the sexual nature of Mr. Bungle's crime provoked such powerful feelings,
The impact of this is more than some might think. The fact that happened online doesn't make it any less affecting
this disembodied enactment of life's most body-centered activity is to risk the realization that when it comes to sex, perhaps the body in question is not the physical one at all, but its psychic double, the bodylike self-representation we carry around in our heads.
*MP... therefore the actions of Mr. Bungle could be considered a rape.
And again, the idea of self-representation and how the idea of who we are that we "carry around in our heads" is a part of the real us.
tears were streaming down her face—a real-life fact that should suffice to prove that the words' emotional content was no mere playacting.
the real life implications and consequences - where the two worlds collide
kind of slow-crawling script, lines of dialogue and stage direction creeping steadily up your computer screen.
Reminds me of reading a book. Just because you're reading words doesn't mean that it can't seem real...
middlingly complex database,
The hard facts reality of the situation
violation of LambdaMOO's communal spirit
this violated not only the victims but also the entire community. (in different, but still powerful ways)
mild addiction to the semifictional digital otherworlds known around the Internet as multi-user dimensions, or MUDs.
very recent past... this world where fantasy/fiction meets reality and real people
Quite the opposite, in fact: the more seriously I took the notion of virtual rape, the less seriously I was able to take the notion of freedom of speech, with its tidy division of the world into the symbolic and the real.
Interesting, back to the topic of just because something is fictional doesn't mean it can't have an effect on the mind and the experiences of the people who read/experience them. (again like reading a book - or anything for that matter).
likely to survive intact
Because the two are becoming more and more closely tied together real life and online life are merging and therefore the aspect of saying something and doing something have the same kind of impact after awhile
the commands you type into a computer are a kind of speech that doesn't so much communicate as make things happen
Words, typing, etc. are becoming more powerful in technology and thoughts we employ - they are the very basis of it, the computers run on it.
the room description always tells me Dr. Jest is present but asleep, in the conventional depiction for disconnected characters. The not-quite-emptiness of the abandoned room invariably instills in me an uncomfortable mix of melancholy and the creeps
Interesting the kind of real feelings that can be ellicted from a simple text-based-description-gfame
I stick around only on the off chance that Dr. Jest will wake up, say hello, and share his understanding of the future with me.
Interesting depth to something so simple.
a house I came for a time to think of as my second home.
idealist view, though the fact that it is so different from "real life" lends itself to this possibility
a house I came for a time to think of as my second home.
House... in reference to the online chat room?