the documents of the Paraclete show that the real abbess "musthave been an outstanding person."
Reinforcing her credibility
the documents of the Paraclete show that the real abbess "musthave been an outstanding person."
Reinforcing her credibility
Friend, what do you wish fromme? I contain all that ever was, is, and shall be; I am totally fulfilled. Take ofme whatever you please. And if you wish all of me, I will never refuse
What an author
And Iloved myself so much along with him that I could not be contented at all. . . .
A woman who loves herself along with her lover
Her self-abasement is thus also a self-enrichment, a multiple en-hancement and proliferation of the roles that constitute her feminine self
So interesting... she and her self-image truly are complex
(and perhapserotic)
I was thinking that this sounds like a little bit of playing into a sexual fantasy
Whatever the role sheplayed, Abelard was always her solus, her unicus, he alone could grieve her,comfort her, instruct her, command her, destroy her, or save her.
She had what was essentially tunnel vision for Abelard -- just another factor that added to her complicated portrait
as we know, interrupted by potent distrac-tions.
LOL
But ifHeloise's letters are genuine, we cannot exclude either persona, nor can wedivide her career neatly into an "Ovidian phase" and a "Jeromian phase."
Aligns with male scholars and their inability to perceive women as complicated, layered creatures
How unseemly for those holy hands which nowturn the pages of sacred books to have to perform degrading services inwomen's concerns!
I like that this uplifts the cause of female scholarship and education, but I don't like the degradation of motherhood and "woman's concerns"
les livres and les meurs feminins
books and feminine customs, I believe
a goodwoman who undermines his own case for the perfidy of all wives
The exception, not the rule
She is allowed to speak authentically "on the passions ofwomen," but only in the safe space between two contrasting structures ofmale authority, one created by her husband's brutality and the other by thepoet's irony.
This kind of use of women has always made me so angry
It would be hard to find another twelfth-or thirteenth-century author who belongs in that company, for dramaticmonologue was not a genre much cultivated at the time.
I don't know exactly what kind of evidence this would qualify as. It's not fully psychoanalysis, although there is an element of that included. It's also not fully historical analysis, either -- maybe just some kind of contextual analysis?
The lament heutters over his castration contains no mention of her, or even of regret fortheir lost pleasures, nor does he betray any sense that he sinned in makingher take the veil.
How selfish he is. It's a miracle to me that anyone can love someone so devotedly who is such a selfish person
Monk and eunuch that he is, he makeshis mistress of fourteen years ago delight in calling herself his whore
Wow, this is kind of a roast
What demon, then, could have possessed Abelard to forge let-ters so compromising that they would jeopardize his own new foundation,which had begun to display such promise, by fueling the very rumors hedeplored? In what demented frenzy would he defile the hitherto spotlessreputation of Heloise as abbess, violating the honor of his "beloved sisterin Christ" more grievously than he had done when he seduced her?
I do find this a little hypocritical -- to slander hypothetical psychoanalysis as a literary tool but then to employ it a little bit. I don't think it does much harm, since the majority of her claim isn't based upon this, but it is a little bit contradictory
he seduced her
I don't know that I agree with the use of this language. If the case is that she wasn't willing to be seduced, then this is not an appropriate word to use on the basis that it makes her sound compliant when the choice word should perhaps be "coerced" or something along those lines. If she case is that she very much enjoyed the seduction, then to portray it as his seduction of her downplays her active role in it, diminishing the significance of her feelings and a woman's capacity to enjoy sex
In her thirty-five-year reign, however, Heloisenot only won the personal esteem that is so well attested, but attractedenough gifts and vocations to the Paraclete to attach five new priories andan abbey, La Pommeraye.
This reminds me of the power and influence that the royal French mistresses had -- they were able to garner resources & support just by their nature and their contributions to the lives of others
With Robertson, let us imagine that she"devoted herself energetically, with only occasional uncomfortable lapses,to the settled routine of her new career."61 With Muckle, let us assume thatHeloise was inwardly all that she appeared to be outwardly: "a person ofsincerity, zeal and holiness and not a self-confessed hypocrite whose hearthas all the while been possessed of a spirit of sensuality."62 Let us recall theexemplary abbess whose virtue, as Peter the Venerable wrote, crushed thehead of the serpent and made "a laughing-stock of the proud prince ofthe world."
Her use of these testimonies is really very convincing -- Heloise seemed like a well-loved figure in her time spent alive
Heloise's theme of ex-clusive mutual belonging
I feel like this is an important theme for me to remember so I am highlighting it
For, surprisingly, none ofthe usual grounds for contesting authenticity is in fact present in this case.Nothing in the letters contradicts any documented historical fact, and al-leged internal discrepancies have all been satisfactorily explained
There's no real need for calling the authenticity of the letters into question -- it's just done because of prejudice
But two decades of argu-ment over grammatical constructions, alleged anachronisms, and minutepoints of monastic observance have yielded no more consensus than theprevious decades of argument over what Heloise or Abelard might haveplausibly thought or felt
Yes! This put into words what I've been thinking
Benton states that convincing arguments must be based on"the most technical and indeed unemotional issues," such as dating, cursuspatterns, and computer-assisted word counts.35 Psychological realism, hesays, is a "risky basis" for any claims of authenticity.
I think I agree with Benton on this -- while it may be fun and interesting and potentially quite useful to psychologically and philosophically analyze correspondences such as these, I don't think it's actually telling at all since there's just so much bias and so much room for error
It may be that at least some twelfth-century audiences were less fastidious in these matters than their moderninterpreters
She uses this to reinforce Heloise's duality in her piety but also her love and lust for Abelard. It seems that many historians felt that people didn't live with any of this dissonance or self-indulgence, which I find an amusing belief
Abelard states that he was first attracted to herbecause "in the extent of her learning she was supreme" and had alreadybecome famous throughout the realm
We did read this, that Abelard was drawn to her because of her proficiency and excellence in letters
According to Silvestre's fantasy, the forger had personally seduced andabandoned "a little Jeannic" who was demanding marriage, so in order toshake her off, he inserted Heloise's diatribe against matrimony in the His-toria. But this little Jeannie is assumed—unlike Heloise!—to be capableof following a complex argument in Latin and objecting that her seducerwas no eunuch, so had no excuse not to marry her. Therefore the forgermade his fictional Abelard downplay the effects of his castration
This comes off quite ridiculous, to be honest
The abbotmay in fact have wanted to write a rule for nuns; but the idea that a womanwould not ask a man for anything he did not already want to give her iswishful thinking of a high degree. And the odd claim that Heloise con-sulted with Abelard about personal letters that he then wrote in her namerests on nothing more substantial than a sense that women did not write
Semantically disproving their evidence
Robert-son's Hcloise, whatever her status—the seductive and silly little minx, theproper but silent abbess, or even the hypothetical bourgeois wife—is welland truly repressed.
There are so many ways to read her -- most of these never occurred to me
Embodying all the negative stereotypes ofthe feminine, Robertson's Heloise is both minx and shrew
I feel that this is a common way of repressing women -- to simultaneously posit that they can't do something but then also mock that they have done it
Robertson's conde-scension toward Heloise is blatant. He refers to her twice as "poor Heloise"and once even as "little Heloisc"; at least half a dozen times, he calls herdiscourse on marriage in thcHistoria calamitatum a "little sermon."
Reminds me of the play we just read in my English class -- A Doll's House A very similar and condescending relationship unfolds within that text as well.
One may perhaps be pardoned for asking if this preoccupation withputting women in their place, establishing male control, and giving a manthe final say is exclusively Abelard's.
I absolutely love the polite but firm way this is written -- made me smile
"set [Heloise] right"
Why must "putting women in their place" be such a frequently recurring rhetoric in history? Does it not get tiresome for men to act superior?
Because Muckle doesnot perceive such "chiding," he tentatively concludes that Abelard couldnot have seen the offending passages, and he doubts that such an esteemedabbess could have written them.
This seems like a rather incredible amount of projection. It seems a true oversight to make this large an assumption. He's not providing any kind of precedent Abelard set in the past to imply that he would probably chastise Heloise's behavior, so this really just seems like a massive leap to conclusions.
Now women are used to being minor, if not exactly trivial
This relates to what we've been learning in our class -- women being historically overlooked, misogyny, etc.
oth Heloise and Abelard, Iwill argue, arc more historically as well as psychologically plausible figuresif we accept the least problematic hypothesis about them, namely that theletters we have are essentially theirs.
The first part of the thesis
First, Iwill try to dispatch once for all the old hypothesis that Abelard forged theletters of Heloise as part of a literary fiction. Then, after concluding thisfervent but no doubt futile attempt, I will show how the same questionsthat have vexed the scholarly debate over Heloise—questions of authority,authenticity, and repression of the female voice—are precisely the ques-tions that most vexed Heloise herself in her pious and amorous wars withAbelard.
Thesis