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  1. Oct 2018
  2. blogs.baruch.cuny.edu blogs.baruch.cuny.edu
    Cicero. De oratore
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    1. palmeret16 04 Oct 2018
      alltheactivityandabilityofanoratorfallsintofivedivisions,Ilearnedthathemustfirsthituponwhattosay;thenmanageandmarshalhisdiscoveries,notmerelyinorderlyfashion,butwithadiscriminatingeyefortheexactweightasitwereofeachargument;nextgoontoarraythemintheadornmentsofstyle;afterthatkeepthemguardedinhismemory;andinthe143enddeliverthemwitheffectandcharm:Ihadalsobeentaughtthat,beforespeakingontheissue,wemustfirstsecurethegoodwillofouraudience;thatnextwemuststateourcase;afterwardsdefinethedispute;thenestablishourownallegations;sub-sequentlydisprovethose.oftheotherside;andinourperorationexpandandreinforceallthatwasinourfavour,whileweweakenedanddemolishedwhateverwenttosupportouropponents.

      Cicero's 5 Canons of Oratory

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  3. Sep 2018
  4. inst-fs-iad-prod.inscloudgate.net inst-fs-iad-prod.inscloudgate.net
    Phaedrus.pdf
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    1. palmeret16 11 Sep 2018
      Now when the charioteer looks in the eye of love, his entire soul is suffused with a sense of warmth and starts to fill with tingles and the goading of desire. As for the horses, the one who is obedient to the charioteer is still controlled, then as always, by its sense 254 of shame, and so prevents itself from jumping on the boy. The other one, however, no longer responds to the whip or the goad of the charioteer; it leaps violently forward and does everything to aggravate its yokemate and its charioteer, trying to make them go up to the boy and suggest to him the pleasures of sex

      This description of three parts of a soul reminds me of the id, ego, & superego, which I'm sure isn't a coincidence.

    2. palmeret16 11 Sep 2018
      away from what would most improve his mind-and that is, in fact, divine philosophy,

      Socrates sneaks in his preference for philosophy, saying it's what would most improve someone's mind.

    3. palmeret16 11 Sep 2018
      unreasoning desire that overpowers a person's considered impulse to do right and is driven to take pleasure in beauty, c its force reinforced by its kindred desires for beauty in human bod this desire, all-conquering in its forceful drive, takes its name from the word for force (rhome) and is called eros."

      This is what Socrates considers romantic love to be.

    4. palmeret16 11 Sep 2018
      Socrates' own speeches about erotic love and his dialectical pre­sentation of rhetoric's su/Jservience to philosophy are both aimed at persuading Phaedrus to this transformation.

      Socrates will use the dialectical method of rhetoric to persuade Phaedrus to be more passionate about philosophy than rhetoric/oratory. It's interesting that he's using the "lesser" subject to promote the "better" one.

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  5. classics.mit.edu classics.mit.edu
    The Internet Classics Archive | Gorgias by Plato
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    2. palmeret16 06 Sep 2018
      notion of rhetoric, which is, in relation to the soul, what cookery is to the body

      Cookery is flattery to the body because it's disguised as medicine when it's not medicine. Rhetoric is flattery to the soul because it's disguised as justice when it's not justice. Both are seen as deceitful pleasures to either body or soul.

    3. palmeret16 04 Sep 2018
      rhetorician need not know the truth about things; he has only to discover some way of persuading the ignorant that he has more knowledge than those who know?

      The only power of persuasion a rhetorician has about a topic they know nothing about, then, is among a group of people who are ignorant of the topic of discourse too? If the multitude is a crowd of physicians, the rhetorician wouldn't stand a chance.

    4. palmeret16 04 Sep 2018
      contest with a man of any other profession the rhetorician more than any one would have the power of getting himself chosen, for he can speak more persuasively to the multitude than any of them, and on any subject

      How can you speak persuasively on something you know nothing about? Even a skilled speaker wouldn't have answers to topic-specific questions and would just be crafty at talking around the question without answering, as Polus did in the beginning.

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