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  1. May 2022
    1. aid coaches must warn swimmers to be careful about trying to hold their breath for extended periods of time and not rely on lifeguards, who may not be used to seeing such cases.

      life guards are not trained to identify this?

    1. "It must have been something massive. That man was a highly trained professional who lived in the water,

      common statement in all the articles, "highly trained" though training seemed to have missed that they should not be diving alone

    1. Family members believe Jack could have remained conscious if the periods between his underwater laps had been longer,

      are they professionals? what was the time period that they waited?

  2. Apr 2022
    1. "Such deaths are normally recorded as fatal drowning and therefore it is not easily identified," he said."We become aware ... only when these contributing factors are recorded by observers leading up to the unconscious event.

      if this is true, then banning this activity will make it harder to identify the circumstances surrounding the activity

    2. Exhaustion is a key contributor to blacking out underwater, as is exertion, which can cause oxygen levels to deplete more quickly than in a body at rest.

      exhaustion is quite common and possible while not doing breath holding activities

    3. "This is something that every child is doing - adults are doing it," Mrs Washbourne said."Jack nor any of us knew the consequences of holding your breath too many times repetitively.

      an indication there is a vacuum of information about the activity - missing education on the subject

    1. mouth Swim Team Member Drowns During Endurance Training

      instructions for children to to EXHALE while under water?? - this is incredibly negligent - exhalation would drastically decrease buoyancy and would be difficult to swim

    1. the training agencies provided a safe path for divers to take knowledge from ocean diving and apply it to cave diving

      this is the process that is safest and most reliable

    2. 50-60 people die each year in the United States as a result of drowning while breath-hold diving. But wait, before you say “That’s a huge number,” let me point out that an estimated 90 percent of those deaths are by untrained divers,

      prohibition or education? which is the better option here?

    1. underwater blackouts typically occur after a swimmer hyperventilates

      there is no reputable training certification that encourages hyper ventilation, infact it is expressly prohibited and the dangers of which are a main focus in education

    2. The Navy’s “two-man rule” — training with a buddy — is supposed to reduce risk because each swimmer is aware of the other’s activities and can render aid if needed; however, a swim buddy can’t reduce the risk inherent in breath-holding, especially if participating himself, Losey noted.

      they were not using the buddy system. one up, one down

    3. as they were timing themselves to see how long they could hold their breaths, facing the clock on the pool deck.

      timeline? this occurred after being told not to. situational awareness was lacking here. they had diving bricks obviously they were planning to do breath holds. someone should have stayed and the trainees should have maintained protocols

    4. pool facilities to ensure the proper posting of emergency-response plans and equipment.

      prohibition lacks proper protocols for handling incidents when they undoubtedly will occur without permission. blind prohibition actually makes it worse, how do you force someone to breathe?

    5. posted in pool facilities expressly prohibiting breath-holding.

      they were already told it was not to be done, what is a sign? this is only a dodge for liability not an earnest attempt to prevent of reduce danger.

    6. Losey said the Navy will now require a lifeguard or first-class swimmer to be present on deck at Naval Special Warfare pools for all conditioning swims other than laps

      as all water training should include

    7. “Overconfidence is an ever-present risk factor.”

      ego, adrenaline junky is not associated with breath hold training and is not a part of any certified program like SSI, PADI, Molchanovs, or AIDA

    1. deaths are completely preventable.

      simply, do not dive alone (or swim). this article assumes he was holding breath, but the truth is, this person was completely alone - never swim alone right?

    2. His friends thought that he had gone inside to call his girlfriend, Laura Dobrosky, who was out of town

      how? again, he was training completely unsupervised without any respect diving alone

    3. The group were swimming laps, racing each other and competing to see who could hold their breath the longest.

      simultaneous training? races? this is not how we train freediving safely

    4. His death was caused by breath-holding or hypoxic training.

      temporal precedence? was it breath holding and hypoxic training or the safety protocols surrounding the incident