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  1. Apr 2023
    1. None of this can get very far without enabling policies in the background—that make possible community finance and ownership, that respect self-governance over paternalistic decrees.

      Feels ungrammatical. Maybe add "policies" between the em-dash and the that?

    2. It permits expressions of affective voice but not, for most users, the more direct power of affective voice.

      This is unclear

    3. headquartered at a stylized computer nerve center in the capital

      Okay, but this gets at one of the major flaws with cybersyn - that it recapitulated a lot of top-down hierarchies even though it was meant to be egalitarian.

      I'm not saying you have to do a deep dive into cybersyn (although that would be cool! there's a lot of overlap with the topics of this book. for example, you talk of "provisioning governable spaces" in the preceding chapter - the US led boycott's and withholding of funds from Allende's government that eventually led to the coup and to the demise of Cybersyn, which seems to echo that dynamic, where things are seen to fail on their own terms rather than due to meddling and/or capital strikes)

      But again, this is another place where the fact that you incorporate so many references means you don't have much space for them. In this case, it means losing so much nuance.

    4. What if each of us, and each of our overlapping communities, were a Cybersyn, all intertwined with each other?

      What does this mean? How would an individual person "be a Cybersyn"?

    5. What I have been up to all along in this book is a kind of metagovernance

      What does this mean?

    6. In times of growing criticism and anxiety about the online economy, the language of “metaverses” and “metacrises” offer the promise of transcendence: sort-of acknowledging that technology is compounding problems in the non-meta world, while at the same time promising to transcend them. The problems, to this line of thinking, are just wrinkles in a grander metanarrative of progress.

      This seems to confuse two very different things:

      1) Facebook's "metaverse", which AFAIK doesn't seem to promise to transcend the problems of the real world, although maybe it does and I've missed it.

      2) The idea of a "metacrises" or "polycrises" or my personal favorite "omnishambles" which I've mostly seen from people very much in opposition to Facebook and similar dominant platforms.

    7. All three have been stewards of this place, but not necessarily claiming exclusive domain over it, since their seasonal, migratory ways of life long permitted them to coexist.

      There's something wrong with the grammar here. "but not necessarily claiming" --- maybe "not necessarily through claiming"?

    8. Self-governance is not a solution, it is a practice for problem-solving, and practices can go awry until they find their footing, until their participants learn the skills to manage them. But then, in governable spaces, our difficulties are our own and not someone else’s.

      Love this

    9. Technologies make policy when their designs dictate what information users do and don’t see, and how. Technologies make policy in how their interfaces teach us to use them.

      Again: yes! Great points clearly stated.

    10. The skills people need in governable spaces are not simply about how to use the technology, like a user’s manual, but about how to craft its policies: what is at stake, and what decisions have effects on our lives and communities.

      What does it mean to "craft its policies"? Are you saying people need the skills to collectively decide what information people see, and how user interfaces are designed and taught to users?

    11. I experienced that in my short career as a steward at Gitcoin—which was characterized mostly by the helplessness we feel when information does not meet us where we are, when it seems to confuse more than teach.

      I like that you're following up by making this personal, but everything after the em-dash is abstract and general again, in a confusing way. Would rather you say "I felt overwhelmed by information I didn't have the context for" or some other first-person-perspective description.

    12. Technology can be governable only when users have the skills to understand its flows of power. Mystification helps keep ostensibly decentralized systems, for example, under the control of the small expert elite.

      Yes - love this. An important point clearly stated.

    13. Atop those, participants add more layers of software and culture to further hone their self-governance.

      These three paragraphs on GitcoinDAO and how it has implemented delegated voting and stewardship, are more interesting and persuasive than anything I remember from the crypto chapter.

    14. independence

      *independent

    15. “liquidity event”

      I never thought of this as phallic before 😂

    16. As with so many of the assemblies, juries, digital consultations, and community meetings that governments use every day, however, Macron’s Citizens Convention for Climate was largely advisory, disconnected from the normal flows of power.

      Oh, okay! Here's where we get the explanation for that ominous "France was not ready..."

    17. Macron’s France, however, was not quite ready for that kind of trust.

      Wait, what does this mean? Does it mean the great debate failed?

    18. isomorphic

      You probably need to define "isomorphic" before using it. It's one of my favorite words and I have learned most people don't know it.

    19. Many jurisdictions have acceded to corporate-backed laws that prohibit municipal or cooperative broadband services from competing with investor-owned firms.

      I'd love a source for this if you have it!

    20. sharing in the studios’ profits

      Just wanted to say that these two paragraphs are a great elaboration on one of your references. I've highlighted a bunch to say "I want more!" so I figured I'd also leave a note saying "This is a great amount of detail, thank you!"

    21. as they called it

      We can assume that's what they called it (or would call it, unclear yet if this thing actually got made)

    22. The platforms organize those rights on behalf of managerial control, of a kind tighter than on any industrial shop-floor.

      There's something clunky about this sentence, not sure what. Alternative phrasing, not necessarily any better:

      "The platforms organize those rights into a form of managerial control tighter than any industrial shop-floor."

    23. Schor and her research team constructed a conversation that is otherwise missing across a field of dispersed experience.

      What does this mean?

    24. isolation of suburban homemaking

      How is the isolation of homemaking the result of legal prohibitions on coordination?

    25. lurking in the shadows of what the law prohibits

      What does this mean?

    26. While such an arrangement lies well outside the norms of social-media systems, it is at home in feminist conceptions of the relational self, the person as a nexus of relationships.354

      What does this sentence add? We know it's outside the norms of social media systems, you've laid that out for us clearly already. We can assume it's at home within feminist though because you're talking about it in a section on feminism. Why not use this space to elaborate on that interesting Karrot reference?

    27. For instance, the European food-sharing platform Karrot allows a local community to remove a member only through a group process, rather than by the fiat of a single administrator.

      Another reference I'd love to see get more development.

    28. Legal regimes might expect subsidiarity, as discussed in chapter three, as a prerequisite for protection from liability. Rather than encouraging scalable governance by platform companies, the law could expect user self-governance at the scale of communities. Platforms would gain immunity only by giving up and sharing power.

      the dream <3

    29. instrumental power flows from company CEOs down to the feudal admins and mods, according to terms that government regulators set or fail to set.

      If the point is that while social media creates new opportunities for friendship, but not opportunities to use that friendship to exercise power or self-governance, you should say that explicitly. Otherwise this part just feels unrelated to me.

    30. fate

      Interesting choice here - "fate" rather than something like "chance of birth".

    31. To practice equality in everyday life is practice in being ungovernable and in holding space for self-governing;

      First: The format of this sentence should be "To X is to Y". So it should be "To practice equality in everyday life is to practice being ungovernable".

      Also: I don't see how this follows from the rest of the paragraph? How does practicing equality relate to ungovernability or self-governing? (And do you address anywhere the tension between these two things - etymologoically at least, being ungovernable seems mutually exclusive with being self-governing.)

    32. This was one more instance of melodrama in the career of a snippet of law known, in the title of a book-length study on it, as “the twenty-six words that created the Internet”

      Missing a period here.

      Also, FYI, this is another sentence I had to read twice to parse. I'd drop the "in the title of a book-length study on it".

    33. atriarchy thus reconfigures itself as an allegedly benevolent paternalism through the “exertion of positive rather than coercive power,” as Liena Gurevich puts it.345

      What's the difference between positive vs coercive power? This is another reference that doesn't stand on its own and needs more elaboration.

    34. I once again rely on Freeman’s essay as a gravity well that attracts shared concerns among diverse feminist perspectives.

      Okay so I know you're doing the academic thing where you explain what you're going to say before you say it, but you inserted it in the middle of a paragraph after many paragraphs of not doing it, so it's kind of confusing. Maybe insert a paragraph break before this, and start with "In the upcoming section"?

    35. The pursuit of governable spaces is a strategy for policy that takes this strain of insights seriously.

      Which strain of insights? It's okay to restate your argument - it helps the reader understand! This sentence on its own doesn't really say anything, as far as I can tell.

    36. When a Malaysia-based international process developed “Feminist Principles of the Internet,” the principle of “governance” extrapolated this logic with a call to “democratise policy making affecting the internet as well as diffuse ownership of and power in global and local networks.”

      This could be written as:

      "A Malaysia-based international process called for us to “democratise policy making affecting the internet as well as diffuse ownership of and power in global and local networks.”

      Shorter and clearer.

    37. within such spaces, participants have found the capacity to establish protective codes of conduct and clear lines of accountability.

      What is this sentence meant to do? If all it's doing is listing "protective codes of conduct" and "clear lines of accountability" as ways that feminists establish intentionally bounded gathering spaces, you can just say "for example, by X and Y". Phrasing it this way is confusing and also spends your word count unnecessarily (you could use those words elsewhere, to provide much-needed elaboration for your many interesting references)

    38. In response, Freeman offered proposals for “democratic structuring.”

      Why not describe some of the proposals?

    39. tools.”334

      Okay, wrapping up this deep reading of the paragraph. I think there are a few things going on here.

      First, this paragraph is trying to do way too many things at once. It is trying to introduce "listening at scale", constraint vs enabling, and "tools for conviviality", but because you're trying to fit that all in one paragraph there isn't space to even explain what each thing means, let alone how they relate to each other. Each of these concepts should be at least a paragraph, if not more.

      I think this is symptomatic of a broader issue with the book, which is that it tries to talk about everything and as such doesn't have much time to either teach the reader, or try to persuade the reader. (You do make arguments but you spend so little time on each one, and there are so many, that I find it hard to remember what they even are.)

      In the fiction-writing world we have a concept called "kill your darlings". That doesn't mean "kill off your favorite characters", it means: be willing to cut your favorite characters, scenes, plotlines, descriptions, dialogues, etc, if it is not serving the story. Every single sentence has to justify its existence. If I was your editor I would ask you to look at the book as a whole, determine the half of your arguments/references/quotes/concepts that feel the most crucial to what you're trying to convey, and cut the rest. Then you could use the freed up space to actually explain these concepts and how they relate to your larger arguments.

      I know you're pretty far along in the process, so "cut out half the book" is not helpful advice, but perhaps an approach to consider next time. You clearly have a ton to say and a lot of amazing references/projects/sources to mention, but the way it's done here just feels like it's not making the most of either your talent as a writer nor the material you're trying to present.

    40. Illich warns, however, that achieving conviviality is possible “only if we learn to invert the present deep structure of tools.”334

      I still don't really know what conviviality is, nor do I know what "invert the present deep structure of tools" means, so this sentence is meaningless to me.

    41. These kinds of policies are what Ivan Illich called “tools for conviviality,” which support “autonomous and creative intercourse among persons, and the intercourse of persons with their environment.”

      I'm already struggling with two concepts ("listening" and "enabling vs constraint") and now you're introducing "tools for conviviality". How does this relate to constraint or two listening? I don't know. I guess Illich talks about "intercourse" which usually involves listening but I'm grasping at straws here.

    42. A listening society needs policy that enables more than it constrains: policy that ensures people have the power to solve problems on their own terms.

      Okay, this is tying the two arguments together, but I still don't know what is meant by listening so I don't know how it relates to the idea of enabling vs constraining. You say policy that empower peoples to solve their own problems but that's super vague.

    43. A hard constraint can feel like a mighty accomplishment, though often it backfires unexpectedly.

      More on constraints - I'm now juggling two different and apparently unrelated arguments about what good policy-making is in my head.

    44. Too often the temptation is for policy-making to be a practice of constraint—to stop what seems dangerous or immoral, to rule it out for good.

      Wait, no, we're suddenly talking about constraints. Why are we talking about constraints? It's interesting, but I can't focus on it, because I'm still trying to understand what listening at scale looks like.

    45. This does not mean, simply, rulers listening to their subjects, but a kind of listening that occurs everywhere in society, as a basis of shared power.

      As expected, you explain "listening at scale" - great. "The kind of listening that occurs everywhere in society" is a little vague, though. Like, I get you mean a sort of peer-to-peer listening, but I'm hoping the next sentence will give me more detail. What would this actually look like?

    46. The heart of my argument is a call for shifting the orientation of policy-making from top-down regulation toward what Audrey Tang, the “digital minister” of Taiwan’s government, has called “listening at scale.”

      This whole paragraph is complicated in a way that's hard to parse, much like many of your paragraphs. I'm going to comment on each sentence to show my thought process on first readthrough.

      This first sentence is great and prompts me to wonder, "what does listening at scale mean?"

    47. A premise for this message, further, is that social problems are best understood as engineering problems—making the engineer-rich platform companies uniquely suited for finding solutions.

      I would rephrase this, it's a straightforward concept but I had to read it three times to get it

  2. Feb 2023
    1. As online life becomes ever more the medium of human life itself, the making of governable spaces points toward a political paradigm in which the nation-state need no longer be taken for granted as the eminent field of politics. The future of democracy thus depends not only on the defense of existing governmental institutions but, at least as much, on the creative co-design of self-governance in the emerging jurisdictions of networks.

      I'm having a hard time parsing this set of sentences. I'm not sure yet what "the making of governable spaces" means or how it could dethrone the nation-state as the dominant political sphere (which is what I'm reading "taken for granted as the eminent field of politics" to mean). I'm also not sure what the "emerging jurisdictions of networks" are.

    2. My collaborators

      I don't know who you're referring to here but you should probably acknowledge them by name.

    3. or that it is too difficulty.

      Typo

    4. the cowrie’s array of uses is not unlike what people hope to enable with blockchains.

      Now I'm imagining someone responding to the "no real world uses for blockchain" criticism by saying you can use it as ballast for ships. :)

    5. a module-based platform for governing with smart-contracts.

      What does this mean? What does this look like? I would love to know more about how these things work but I need detail to understand.

      Also you have hyphenated smart contracts here which I don't think you meant to.

    6. Governance systems were bespoke smart contracts

      This is the third and last reference to smart contracts in this book (based on a cntrl-F search) and I don't think you explain what they are and how they work anywhere. I have a basic understanding of what they are and how they work but other readers would probably benefit from more explanation.

    7. This has given rise to another set of platforms—with names like Boardroom, Snapshot, and Tally, for instance—that package governance as a dashboard: a way to review all together, and vote on, the proposals flowing through one’s various DAOs. In that kind of interface, each organization becomes a kind of module within a cluster of a user’s juxtaposed governance decisions. Polycentricity operates on multiple levels.

      This is really interesting! Is there anywhere I can learn more about it?

    8. DAOs are establishing legislative and judiciary bodies that can keep each other in check. Within a DAO there might be temporal diversity as well, where part of the governance process requires participants to show long-term investment in a decision, while another may be able to blow with the viral winds.

      I'd love to see citations for these too so I can learn more

    9. Modular systems are enabling bicameral structures, where a proposal might have to pass both a token-based vote and a one-person, one-vote ballot among certified humans.

      Can you link to a write-up of the DAOs that are doing this? I'd like to learn more.

    10. “an expansion pack for DAOs.”

      What does this mean?

    11. “multisig”

      What does this mean?

    12. “kernel.”

      What does kernel mean in this context?

    13. One of us, Amy X. Zhang, was already developing a highly expressive prototype governance platform called PolicyKit, and through the Metagovernance Project we added interoperability to it with a project called Gateway.

      PolicyKit was already modestly interoperable. Gateway was meant to take that functionality and generalize it - essentially, to make it more modular - so that many governance engines could use it - essentially, increasing expressiveness.

      I don't know how you'd summarize that but I wouldn't call it "adding interoperability".

    14. Before governable stacks were a concept, they were an experience for me, particularly through an organization in which I have been an anecdotal participant-observer for a decade. May First Movement

      I think what you're doing here is giving an example of a governable stack (that is, a tool owned by a cooperative) but it's not clear. What is the definition of a governable stack?

    15. Experiences with governable stacks introduce us to possible elsewheres. The spinning wheel pointed toward an elsewhere, the invention of a democratic India, just as “feminist servers” in India today carry on and challenge that legacy.

      What does this mean?

    16. Another emerging strategy for challenging digital colonialism has come from within. Employees at Silicon Valley giants have achieved reforms by organizing against certain ethical outrages at their workplaces.294 Yet there are limits to what these campaigns are likely to achieve, since these workers are invested—often literally, through stock options—in the basic business models of their employers. Employees’ actions can present the impression that their protest cleanses the colonial tools they produce.

      This reads as really dismissive of tech worker organizing. I assume that's not your intention.

    17. If a company fears liability at the legal layer of its stack, it will avoid running social-networking software that gives users enough decision-making power to threaten corporate executives’ control.

      I'm not sure what you're saying here either. Are you arguing that social networks choose implicit feudalism to limit legal liability?

      I'd actually be really interested to read an analysis of how more democratic content moderation might fit under the current legal regime, eg section 230. I don't know if such an analysis exists.

    18. Email is an open, decentralized protocol, but a powerful company can leverage its ubiquity and its familiar interface to make the protocol a centralized dragnet.

      What does this mean?

    19. The geek-colloquial meaning of stack, in the most relevant sense, is a set of interoperating hardware and software.

      It seems like you mean "stack" in a mostly metaphorical sense (not the way programmers use it) but it took me a little while to realize that. You might want to be just a bit more explicit here.

    20. The spinning wheel was a cipher Gandhi used to center self-governance in his strategy for struggle, under the guise of a governable tool.

      What does this mean?

    21. The flag of the pre-independence Indian National Congress had at its center a spinning wheel, the symbol of Gandhi’s “constructive programme”: self-rule, or swaraj, as the basis of both resistance and the society that would follow.

      I think this frame of the spinning wheel and what spinning technologies mean to various groups/ideologies in India is really interesting, but I don't think you're fully getting it across. I can only assume from my own pre-existing knowledge (largely derived from Beckert's Empire of Cotton) that you're talking about how India used to be the world's primary producer of cotton, and how British colonization of India was driven in part by a desire to exploit and extract that capacity. And how a combination of new technology and the British government's military power (which they were willing to use to back up the world's first corporations) led to the increasing political and economic domination of Indian cloth producers.

      Anyway, that's the background I'm bringing to this as a reader, and I'm not at all surprised to learn that the independence movements focused on cloth production both symbolically and practically. But I think readers need a bit more hand-holding here to understand why you're talking about this and what your thesis is.

    22. The actor Charlie Chaplin

      This is an interesting story (at least, for Charlie Chaplin fans) but I don't think it's helping you get across your thesis here.

    23. Before long we have recapitulated the final scene of the 1954 McCarthyist blockbuster On the Waterfront, in which the dockworkers flee from their union’s problems into the arms of the boss, newly able to experience their common exploitation as individual liberation.

      I find this analogy a little confusing.

    24. Platforms have enabled their users to feel ungovernable and powerful for a time.

      Have they?

    25. “governmentality”

      I wish there was a bit more of a definition here

    26. Synthesize the dialectic.

      I appreciate the way this is presented - the two sides, and then citing all the same thinkers to show they actual incorporate elements of both.

    27. Each seems to profess that the organizational forms of revolutions past no longer compute—especially because we now have computers.

      Is the "especially because we now have computers" coming from you or from the people you're citing? It's unclear.

    28. This governace is a cheap sort of domination because the subjects do it to themselves: “Governance arrives to manage self-management, not from above, but from below.”

      I'm sorry, I don't understand this either.

    29. NGOs are the “laboratories” of governance, which turn democracy into labor.

      What does this mean?

    30. Alica

      *Alicia

    31. Both settler colonialism and digital “user experience” involve regimes that dictate who has the right to self-organize, or not, and under what conditions.260

      I don't get quite how this relates to Paul's paper. I love that you're citing such a wonderful paper, but I'm used to seeing citations as something that provides evidence of or extrapolates on a claim, and I don't quite see how Paul's paper does this. Does her paper even mention settler colonialism or user experience efforts? It's about labor and monopoly. I 100% get that there is an association between what you're talking about here, and the way that Paul discusses the allocation of coordination rights, but it feels like that relationship should be drawn out in the text, or at least in the text of the footnote.

    32. emerging

      Are they all emerging, though? Or is it a combination of emerging and longstanding forms of domination?

    33. Democratic play

      Can you sum up the thesis of this section in a sentence? I'm not sure what you're trying to get across beyond "play is healthy and good".

    34. Much as gig platforms made regulators forget labor laws and cloud services did not face the privacy rules governing older telecoms,244 the strange new tech of crypto has made space for remaking norms about how networked assets are to be owned and governed.

      Is this meant to be a warning against crypto?

    35. Future protocols might include code that ensures certain protections for workers, prevents direct harm to humans, or guarantees a basic income to all users. Protocols might ban carbon-emitting miners and other ecological harms. Rights-based incentives and feedback loops could counteract plutocracy and make externalities more visible to a protocol that would otherwise ignore them. Cryptoeconomic designs can thus achieve goals not reducible to economics.

      How?

    36. For instance, the experimental DAO 1Hive has developed a values-laden Community Covenant, enforced through a cryptoeconomic court system.

      Again, I would love to see details.

    37. The largely abandoned cryptocurrency FairCoin, for instance, implemented a novel consensus mechanism called “proof of cooperation” that sought to ground its cryptoeconomics in cooperative membership among participant organizations that served as network nodes.

      I would love to hear the story of FairCoin here. Why was it created? Why was it abandoned? How does "proof of cooperation" work?

    38. the first time in history that we can actually try out new governance models without the need of people getting killed.”

      The hubris 😂

    39. Self-enforcing smart contracts can operate without the police forces, courts, and armies that state-backed financial systems employ.

      This is another one of those pro-crypto statements that are way more complicated than expressed here. One could critique the idea that smart contracts are operating without the help of the state, or the idea that smart contracts successfully operate in a meaningful way.

      I actually do agree that even despite those caveats, there's something novel and interesting about smart contracts, but this statement doesn't tease that out at all, just repeats the crypto party line.

    40. Crypto has made unusually explicit what has always been true: that money and other forms of capital are themselves media—malleable and programmable, made valuable through meaning-making.220 Economic media-making has proliferated with blockchains and the cryptoeconomics that enforces their design.

      I feel like a broken record but: what does this mean? What definition of "media" are you using here?

    41. As a result, crypto has occasioned governance innovations across a wide range of applications:

      I really, really wish that a more detailed discussion of the actual governance innovations occurring in crypto was the focus of this chapter. It seems like far and away the most interesting and important part of this chapter/section.

      That said, I'm looking forward to making me way through this list. Thanks for collecting it.

    42. Previous Internet technologies have presumed a central server, whose owner in the external legal world holds ultimate responsibility for what takes place on that server.

      This seems like too general a claim. You've described several decentralized technologies already, and probably the fediverse deserves at least a footnote shoutout here. (Maybe you'll mention the fediverse later?) Anyway just adding a "many" or "most" to the beginning of this sentence probably makes it accurate.

    43. Yet the work of inhabiting a distinctive mythological, symbolic universe provides a gateway: a license to dispense with foregoing constraints, which arose for a world connected with different sorts of media. The mythology then permits a transition from economics to cryptoeconomics, from politics to coordination, from representation to decentralization.217 Moloch and his ilk are Tocquevillian gestures toward heaven, toward transcendent commitments that hold the early adopters together while their new technology aids in reshuffling the institutional tables here on earth.

      What does this mean?

    44. Crypto enthusiasts at times describe themselves as LARPing—live action role-playing, like the hobbyists who dress in medieval costumes and hit each other with foam swords in a park.

      I'm glad you described LARPing for the unfamiliar, but I'm pretty sure this is more explanation than you gave of DAOs.

    45. Although crypto has drawn on certain earlier political lineages—particularly anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism216—as time passes its ideological space becomes less reducible to those, and more fecund for its own breeds of politics. The politics seem to evolve quickly in a world whose memetic repertoire spans transcendent registers from the Genesis Block to the hoped-for slaying of Moloch.

      What does this mean?

    46. As Buterin puts it, cryptoeconomics allows software “to reduce social trust assumptions by creating systems where we introduce explicit economic incentives for good behavior and economic penalties for ba[d] behavior.”

      This is one of the recurring themes that turns me off crypto - the idea that we can use code to decrease the need for social trust, as if social trust isn't the bedrock of all human society. I wish this quote from Buterin was balanced with some sort of critical take...but maybe we'll get to that later in this section.

    47. non-fungible tokens (NFTs)

      It's a little frustrating that there's no caveat here, not even a footnote, for how exploitative the NFT craze has been. I'm not saying you need to condemn NFTs, but maybe acknowledge that some people have problems with them?

    48. There is even a special term in MolochDAO, with corresponding software code, for when someone leaves in frustration: “ragequit,” a term derived from gaming culture. Other DAOs have since adopted the feature.

      What does this mean, "with corresponding software code"? Virtually all social software has a "quite/leave/delete" option, what makes "ragequit" special?

    49. And while a season might correspond temporally with a quarter, the language evokes a blurry duration that in its distinct associations seems to alter the flow of time.

      What does this mean?

    50. Since crypto projects tend to avoid reliance on state identity systems, the meaning and basis of identity becomes an open question, both social and technical.

      Again, this is interesting. It would be nice to learn more here.

    51. The one-share-one-vote norm of corporations is meanwhile beginning to wane in the imaginative universe of crypto, in favor of algorithms that balance a voter’s stake with dimensions such as temporal commitment, or the number of other voters; these forms of tallying preference have little precedent in corporate governance.

      This is interesting; it would be nice to hear more.

    52. It would be too convenient to dismiss what is going on as mere disguise or wholesale recapitulation. A new name invites the breaking of old norms, or at least fresh iteration with them. Names matter.

      Does the ability of new names to break norms outweigh the way new names obscure how these systems are recapitulating old problems?

    53. Among DAOs, an emerging species of blockchain-native “decentralized autonomous organizations,”

      Do you explain DAOs anywhere? Obv I know what a DAO is but I suspect you're not providing enough explanation to anyone whose coming into this without much knowledge of how DAOs work.

    54. Five years after its publication, the blog post’s exegesis took financial form with MolochDAO

      I mean, I see why you're citing Alexander's Moloch post, it leads into MolochDAO and sets up DAOs as a novel solution to coordination failure.

    55. Scott Alexander,

      Starting the crypto section by citing Scott Alexander is an interesting choice. Alexander has a fair amount of social connections to Sam Bankman-Fried and accepted some grant-funding from FTX. I'm not saying you shouldn't cite him - Alexander has attracted a lot of controversy but he's also a talented and influential writer - just know that beginning with him may be alienating to people who you're trying to convince that crypto has merit.

      https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/open-thread-250

    56. Passages from Ginsberg like this, that is, actually describe breakdowns of signal and shared intent:

      This is awkwardly worded and took me a moment to realize you meant "this is a quote from Ginsberg, not Alexander"

    57. In comparison to almost any other kind of institution, the faith in scalability among social-media companies appears peculiar.

      Really? The tech industry as a whole favors scale - Amazon is not a social media company, for instance. Plus there's things like megachurches, Disney, and all the kinds of authoritarianism described by Scott in Seeing Like a State.

    58. They stress that community accountability must inhabit a temporality distinct from that of social media.

      what does "temporality" mean here?

    59. Although Kaba called for moving police budgets to education and other basic needs in her Times article, this is a literature that overwhelmingly prefers forms of exchange that nourish dialogical thinking and ongoing reinvention.

      Super nitpicky, but the structure of this sentence is a little confusing. "Although X, Y" tends to set X and Y in contrast to each other, and it takes a moment to realize that what you're contrasting is "although Kaba has made policy prescriptions, the literature prefers..."

    60. Thus, when a crime wave struck after the protests—resulting at least in part from police withdrawing their labor—politicians had no recourse but to further fund the only institutional option available to them for reducing crime: the police.179

      Again, I'm not disagreeing with the characterization of there having been a crime wave since 2020, but I think given the context it's important to cite multiple established sources, especially ones that give context like say https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime

    61. and a crime wave
    62. Recent patterns of democratic erosion worldwide suggest that centuries-old institutions are increasingly inadequate for confronting ascendant authoritarians.

      I forget if you made this claim earlier and provided citations there, but if not, it probably makes sense to cite some of the existing research on this

    63. religion of divine covenant

      What is "a religion of divine covenant" and what does it mean for a democracy to have its roots in one?

    64. Institutions are a precious inheritance. Even flawed ones should not be discarded recklessly, at the risk of being left with something worse. Lasting traditions of thought and practice are indispensable to a thriving political culture.169 Yet unlike feudalism and autocracy, democracy cannot survive in stasis. Alexis de Tocqueville’s canonical view of “democratic revolution,” a gradual progression toward ever more deeply democratic institutions, refuses to deify any particular institutional form.

      This is really well stated.

    65. shuttered

      Shuddered?

    66. They refuse to acknowledge technology as the angel of history, the divine agent, and instead insist that we are still just talking about how people relate to one another.

      What does this mean? Specifically, how is technology the angel of history/a divine agent? Or is your argument that this is what California ideology proposes, that Agre and brown rightfully reject?

    67. In the dissertation, as well as in a talk on “The Structures of Everyday Life” while still a student,149 Agre proposed the mathematical concept of the lattice as a gateway between the particular and the general, the routine and the complex. Hand-drawn lines connect specific components of a car to the concepts necessary to understand their use. His lattice functions much like brown’s fractals.

      I think there needs to be a bit more explanation of the lattice here. I'm having trouble parsing these sentences, despite familiarity with both Agre and brown's work.

    68. Starting with the feudal designs encoded into their systems, the minutiae of technical administration expanded to become coterminous with geopolitics.

      This is a really strong claim, one that I'm inclined to agree with, and I'd love for you to spend more time on it.

    69. As the Islamic State idea spread through brutal, viral videos and social media groups, the Californian ideology’s anything-goes social liberalism did not take hold. But the homesteading did—in this case adapted to the frontier of a stateless warzone, an act of exit from the international order. The implicit feudalism of the networks decoded there into an archipelago of territorial feudalism.

      I was waiting for the rest of this section to elaborate on this claim. As far as I can tell, you don't really come back to it. How did homesteading get adapted by the Islamic State and QAnon? What does it mean for the implicit feudalism of networks to cause or influence an "archipelago of territorial feudalism"? What is an "archipelago of territorial feudalism"?

    70. umma

      What is an umma?

    71. The Californian ideology has a soteriology of its own. Barbrook and Cameron describe it with the parallel dreams of an “electronic marketplace” and an “electronic agora”: a frictionless economy and limitless speech that, if society accepts them, would wipe away the troubles of the analog world in a flood of true democracy. The flows of online life, that is, were to be vehicles for a kind of bloodless revolution. Implicit feudalism organized the technological basis for living out that vision, and the salvation it offers has not been especially democratic.

      Are you saying that the "electronic marketplace" and "electronic agora" are the equivalent of Anselm's Heaven, a distant dream that is then used to justify existing power structures? It's a little hard to tell - you have a lovely poetry to your writing but it occasionally leaves me unsure of what you actually mean.

    72. But it strayed too far from Californian homesteading to become dominant.

      It would be nice to have a more concrete sense of what this means. How did the sizes of the Well vs The River compare? (Or some other metric or anecdote that would explain what you mean by it failing to "become dominant".)

    73. As recently as the mid-2010s, the names of the first two major versions of the blockchain protocol Ethereum were “Frontier” and “Homestead.”

      Oh, this is really interesting! You're doing a great job of making your case so far :)

    74. To the extent that cancel culture has become a term of derision, perhaps it should be wielded not against the crowds for their excesses but against the systems that leave them little choice.

      Love this. I've often thought that cancel culture flourishes in the absence of actual systems for accountability.

    75. the Python Enhancement Proposal system, a piece of software designed for proposing and adopting changes to the programming language.

      PEPs aren't a piece of software, they're a decision-making process that makes use of existing general-purpose software like version control and mailing lists. I agree that having it in place greatly facilitated the 2018 transition, although it was one of several factors, all of which support your larger point (that pre-existing norms, institutions, and processes helped ease the transition when it finally happened).

      Happy to do a call sometime and walk you through the Python PEP system.

    76. Governance defaults in offline domains present an instructive contrast. Even quite autocratic governments at least carry out performances of democratic institutions, such as elections and competing parties, because such practices have come to stand as prerequisites for legitimate authority.

      What an interesting comparison!

    77. Sole recourse in disputes to platform owners

      The other bullet points are concise and very clear, but I'm not sure what this means. That the only recourse in disputes is to platform owners?

    78. This is most evident in the power Mark Zuckerberg retains over Facebook through its dual-class stock structure. To extend the metaphor of feudalism: if admins are ladies and lords, Zuckerberg acts as a monarch, who holds similarly absolutist powers over the rules by which his nobles operate, even without appearing to interfere in their fiefdoms directly.

      This is a strong parallel, but at the same time it sort of implies that if there was no single majority shareholder things would be better. There are plenty of companies (and non-profits!) that are run more like oligarchies than monarchies, and I don't think they're meaningfully better.

    79. GitHub fills the Git power vacuum with a familiar access and permissions system that identifies a single “owner” and multiple “collaborator” roles in a given project.

      The "single owner" part is no longer true, although I believe it used to be. For example, I am one of three owners of the Metagov org on Github. (I should figure out how to remove myself as an owner.)

    80. Progenitors: BBS, Usenet, and e-mail lists

      I love this section, it's full of fascinating stuff

    81. As people began to make communities on these networks, creating and producing on them, the computer’s way of granting power through permissions became the default social order.

      Really clearly stated

    82. the founder, Scott Converse, once told me about when the members voted him out of power.

      Wait, what did he tell you? You can't just drop a juicy tidbit like this and then not say anything more. ;)

    83. What kind of concept is implicit feudalism? I have been tempted to consider it a species of communicative affordance—according to Andrew Richard Schrock, “An interaction between subjective perceptions of utility and objective qualities of the technology that alter communicative practices or habits.”

      I had to read this several times to understand what was meant (and I'm still not 100% sure I understand)

    84. In groups on Zuckerberg’s Facebook, power works the same way: If you start it, you keep it. In Black Lives Matter, the logic of a hashtag became the governance of an organization. The politics of the foundry holds its shape in the politics forged there.

      This is really evocative and well constructed parallel.

    85. The bylaws of the garden club, or the associations Tocqueville admired, would not translate straightforwardly online. Too much is different in online spaces: the ease of joining and leaving, the cultural and geographic diversity, the speed, the anonymity, the metrics of reputation, and on and on.

      It might be useful to specify that by "online" you mean something like "modern social media" - there's nothing about the internet or computing that makes them hard to translate, it's the conscious design of Facebook, Google, etc.

      It might feel wordy to have to make this distinction, on the other hand I expect it will come up a lot.

    86. The club has survived from the heyday of suburban housewives—which my mother, as a retired government employee, never was. But the club elected her president. She described to me the debates, the subtexts, the meetings, and her strategems for guiding the process toward her goals. The club’s bylaws occupy eight pages in an annually printed, thirty-eight-page handbook. It also has chapters on hospitality and flower arranging. The bylaws’ structure includes articles, sections, and enumerated subsections.

      This is a fascinating anecdote! I never realized a garden club could be some formal.

      Small question: is your mother's club a legal entity? Are those bylaws enforceable by a court?

      Bigger question: this section has me wondering about whether there are greater or fewer formally organized clubs than their used to be. And, if there are fewer, is that due to more clubs moving online, where a (feudal) governance structure is supplied for them?

  3. Dec 2022
    1. Even under Chinese authoritarianism, such forms of consultation have flourished.

      I hope we'll read more about this later in the book! If not, can you add the reference here? I'd like to know more and I'm sure future readers will too

    2. Technologies can open political doors that ordinary politics may not open alone. We see this pattern in governments’ willingness to let ridesharing apps categorically violate labor law, or for nuclear weapons to justify consolidating the authority of the US president.33

      distressing but very important point

    3. The lab’s multitudes of functioning computers, games, mobile devices, and technical manuals have reminded me to test ideas through the companionship of machines through proximity and play.

      Can you add a sentence or half-sentence here explaining what the Media Archeology Lab is/does? Maybe moving the explanation from below ("I work alongside artists and hackers composing new works with the machines that have survived from past product cycles") to the top? Without that concrete understanding of the lab (which only comes later in the paragraph) I was lost the first time I read this sentence.

    4. I take additional cheer from Sarah Kember and Joanna Zylinska’s Life after New Media, a work that puts the emphasis on life. They cast media studies as constituting a “theory of life,” involving “the interlocking of technical and biological processes of mediation.” Here I find permission to think about fungi as media, as well as about the habits and rituals involved in making an online place feel like home. If mediation constitutes a cyborg life-form, we can more fully exit the dichotomy of user and machine, of determiner and determined. The possibility of self-governance rests on recursion, again, between the biology and technology, the self and the network, the creative and the critical. Kember and Zylinska offer another kind of permission, too. In introducing themselves as artists as well as scholars, they model an interplay of analysis and intervention—a “creative mediation” that they summarize as, simply, “doing media studies.”28 Doing-through-study is what I aspire to here.

      I find this whole paragraph a little confusing. I can't tell if we're meant to understand your references, or whether you're summarizing what you plan to discuss later. If the latter, maybe be a little clearer about that? Otherwise my tendency would be to re-read this paragraph several times, hoping to understand what "mediation constitutes a cyborg life-form" and "the possibility of self-governance rests on recursion between biology and technology" etc mean.

      Alternatively, if we are meant to understand, I encourage you to give a bit more space to these concepts so the reader can grasp them better.

    5. For instance, the modern cooperative movement first took hold in England among Chartists—factory workers demanding the right to vote in elections. To exercise and prove their democratic skills, they formed cooperative stores where every customer had a vote.

      Do you have a source for this? I want to learn more about it!

    6. More than the other sides of the story suggest

      Not sure what this is referring to - what are the "other sides to the story"?

    7. Network ubiquity

      What network is meant here? The internet? Social media networks? Something broader?

    8. What if those people were more skilled at making decisions online, because they were used to having real power?

      I'm not sure how the second part of the sentence causes the first. Like I can see how the're related, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say "people who are used to having real power will thus be better at making decisions online" which is what this sentence seems to imply.

    9. preschool and an orchestra permit hierarchies intolerable to a punk band, but the people in each may still see themselves as living toward democracy.

      Pure aesthetic note here: I would drop the preschool from this analogy, so you can more simply and effectively contrast the orchestra and the punk band.