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Both wish for the opposite, one hoping for recognition, and the other anonymity.
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Unlike sinners in higher hell, Venedico shows a higher level of regret for his actions and his state in society that he attempts to avert even the gaze of Dante
I agree
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Boglia
bolgia
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even actively want to speak to Dante and tell him of their plight, or ask him about the living.
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n Alighieri’s imagery, corruption is never viewed as a whole or complete,
I am not sure I understand this.
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severed
what does this mean?
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There is somewhat of a connection between simony and usury since both sins are predicated on the exchange of money.
OK. Maybe you can be even clearer here.
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this becomes a permissible common practice to commercially exchange priesthood and the church
unclear
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of
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a rare thing happens
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It is also worth mentioning that the way Dante describes the flatterers shows his ability (wit) to navigate easily between every style in his poetry.
this is cool!
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antipathy
criticism?
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Dante plainly notes the similarity between the horned devils that control the sinners and the servants of Vatican.
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the trumpet sound,
isn't this Dante's own poetry?
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towards
cut: Dante addresses the audience.
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on
in
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talked
Use the present tense.
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the marchese
can you say which marchese? or maybe use a quote...
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This first bolgia also introduces the first soul that is unwillingly to be recognized and mentioned in the living world.
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woman’s
For Dante this is the Church. In the Apocalypse it is Babylon.
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Clergy Members are also baptizers and they’re supposed to bring life into this world like mothers however, their corruption means that they can only give birth to even more corrupted souls.
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This misconception among Simonists that greed is a genetic contribution of womankind is further reiterated in how the manner in which Simonists are punished parallels child-birth imagery.
interesting! Maybe start a new paragraph!
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The men do not have nearly as much accountability to be pure and loyal as the women.
I actually think that Dante wants the clergy and the Pope (the husband) to be pure (sinless).
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In a marriage, the woman is loyal to the husband by preserving her virginity.
I don't understand this. I don't think the wife is expected to preserve her virginity.
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to protect
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dante
Spelling
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It is possible that Dante tells Cacciamenico’s story precisely because he does not want it to be told, which shows that Dante understands how the punishments in Hell are part of God’s plan.
Good. Specify, though, who "he" is.
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The sinners in canto 7 are not able to be remembered because “the undiscerning life that befouled them makes them dark now to all recognition”
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cowards
it's the indifferent. Some of the cowards are named.
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Dante is met
Dante meets
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different change
this is a change / this is different
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Gods
God's
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who
what they mean to him?
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suffered
wrong word: had committed the sin of lust?
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He joyously hugs and kisses him in Canto 8 and happily carries him like a baby across the bridge in Canto 19
very good!
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At
cut
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fornicate
what do you mean?
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called
hosting/containing/punishing?
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Because the sinners in this canto wished to see far ahead, they can now only see behind them. Hence their punishment matches and completes their sin.
You have already said this. Cut.
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he fortune-tellers in this circle also guilty of fraud
a verb is missing
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Although
New paragraph?
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altered
I am not sure they can alter the future.
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but saying
substitute "but saying" with "that"
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pleased
Column after pleased.
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artwork
what kind of artwork is this?
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how passionate and how serious God means to him
unclear
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just how important God means
do you need all these words? how important God is?
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Dante chose this as a punishment humorously, as to say flatterers are “full of crap”.
I love this.
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both
cut "both"
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animal
It would be worth mentioning the serpent here (just a reminder for the reader)
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”
where do this quotation marks open? (no need of them if you have a separate quote as in this case)
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Vergil
Conventionally Virgil (Vergil is the historical figure)
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of
"the question as to where"
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This displays that one can commit sins and be punished but still be seen with great influence, like how both Dante’s view Brunetto.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect. But your point is good.
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was
is
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the number 3 could be used by Dante, the writer
unclear
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heard
use the present tense
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same
What prophesy? Don't take for granted...
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In the third ring, a fiery rain falls on the sinners, which represents an unnatural phenomenon, like sodomy. Whereas regular rain replenishes the Earth, a fiery rain does the opposite since sodomizers also do not replenish Earth with new life
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peoples
people's
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it
what is this it? the stories? them?
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He
She (Barolini)
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Some lay upon the ground, flat on their backs; some huddled in a crouch, and there they sat; and others moved about incessantly
Only the third group includes sodomites.
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ring
third subcircle of the seventh circle
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Capitalize
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If their unchanging personas allow for a fabricated Hell, this, in turn, signifies that they’re evading and going against God’s punishments which He deems appropriate for the souls and are being punished by their own terms.
Interesting!
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Capaneus’s perspective on his position in Hell entails the likelihood that all sinners are exactly as they were in the living world.
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his situation was
What situation? In life? Or in Hell? If it's in Hell, use the present tense.
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states
state, the subject is plural (lines)
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Such as I was When living dead such now I am
there is something wrong in this quote
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In the notes of this canto it is said the Brunetto was burned in real life as punishment for the act of sodomy
This is not true. Reared the note.
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an severe offensive sin
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Additional Note:
Canto and lines are enough.
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responsible for their own hell
see Barolini's comment on Digital Dante.
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claims that
better "declares:"
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hell
is this used metaphorically?
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was
present tense, please
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Cato
canto?
he is in Purgatory.
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Koch, Joseph Anton (Austrian painter, engraver, and draftsman, 1768-1839), Ghirardoni, Giovanni Andrea (Italian painter, died ca. 1628). Iconografia dantesca. 1904. Artstor, library.artstor.org/asset/SS33624_33624_33391147
Which one did the image you use in your post?
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Vergil
Spelling: Virgil
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Capaneus is an example of the saying “We are our own hell” (Barolini)
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Cliffnotes
the cliffnotes are not usually considered a good secondary source. Maybe find a different one, even an encyclopedia.
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I researched more about Capaneus and found that he was a figure who thought himself so strong that not even Jove could destroy him, but instead he was destroyed by the thunderbolts of Jove
good!
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are
which are punished?
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5797r
Is this a digital edition? Maybe just the canto and line is enough. Same thing later.
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was said to be
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Hell's? the design of Hell?
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This idea is also supported in Barolini’s commentary with the quote by Capaneus stating, “As I was alive, so am I dead” (Inferno 14, 51). This line by Capaneus supports the notion that, “…we are our own hell” (Barolini). Capaneus’ special damnation supports this notion and helps Dante the pilgrim realize even more about the design of hell that God intended as he goes about his journey onto the right path.
This is the most relevant part of your post. It could be clearer, though.
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did
use the present tense
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hronological sequence of a fraudulent dea
where does this quote come from?
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People convince one another to commit fraud
Is this in the text or is your idea?
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Dinshaw, Carolyn. Getting Medieval: Sexualities and Communites, Pre- and Postmodern. Duke University Press (1999). Print.
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lso note that men are the main inhabitants if not the only inhabtants of this subcircle. The reasoning for this is because it is an attack on God’s perfect image of what is ‘natural.
what is the connection between these two sentences?
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premartial
spelling
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coded
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(from us, the readers)
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focus
focus on
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As we, the readers know that in Canto 15 Dante and Virgil are still in the seventh circle of Hell to which are inhabited by sinners who have committed violence against God
this is a fragment.
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for example the heterosexual lovers – Francesca and Paulo who are placed in the second circle.
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falls
fall
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worse
worst, right?
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Dante admits that is own work referring to the Comedy, is a piece of literature in which he feels the need tell his story even though it seems fictional
Unclear, maybe due to punctuation.
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Dante however doesn’t want this for himself
the pilgrim or the poet? maybe a distinction here is needed...
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his skilled speech
what is his speech?
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which is their home on earth
this is a bit repetitive
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as with Ciacco and Farinata
It is good to show recurrent patterns!
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bove the gates of Hell
maybe specify "in Inferno 3"
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However, since Dante was Christian and wrote from his beliefs and not those of the Greeks, the head must still represent the earliest humans who were closest to God.
nice move!
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including the Church
very good Put a comma after Church
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explains
explains the origins of...?
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doesn’t this also corrupts the ever-changing state of Nature?
do you mean that society is the same as nature?
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within
inside one person? or you mean among/between individuals?
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it
fraudonlence contradict the idea of self-interest?
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modern society
why are you talking about modern society no? Is contractarianism a modern theory that you want to apply to a Medieval text? Please explain.
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to
and?
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By anticipating deeper to the Malebolge
grammar (your subject is we in the following clause so it should be we here... ) anticipate something (not "anticipate to")
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to
they are in Inferno... Maybe through?
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as a little confused as to why Dante punishes sodomy as a worse punishment than the crimes committed by the lustful in Circle 2/Canto 5.
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This is a recurring technique of Dante
very good!
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mirror
what does this mean?
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human flaw may be linked to Satan deceiving
wait! Satan is human?
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The mention of fraud being an evil that only mankind has is the reasoning for the greater punishment of those who commit fraud.
how do you explain this?
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with?
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Pier
You are mistaken. Pier delle Vigne (not Pier) has nothing to do with Florence.
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Pier is incredulous to his betrayal of God
what do you mean? has he betrayed God? How?
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folly
where is the folly?
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This shows a love of openness in Peter and not in Pier.
this is good
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Within this seventh circle the sin is that of suicide, which Dante uses as a religious allegory by showing that although Pier may have been without sin, meaning, Pier might have been innocent of the treasonous crimes attributed to him at the time and therefore sinless, Pier committed suicide which is blasphemous to God and in and of itself condemns the suicided to hell through lack of ability to repent
This sentence is way too long.
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The order is very central to what God believes to be important
what does this mean?
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“discipline follows the master”
what does this mean?
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to come back at Dante
what does this mean?
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I feel
do you feel that Virgil reply to Dante or he just replies?
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Harming God
Is it possible to harm God?
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it
what does this it refers to?
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you
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Frederick the Third
never heard of this.
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voice
what do you mean? they souls can scream.
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They
who is they. In order to use a pronoun you need to have mentioned somebody before.
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was one of the biggest sins
for whom? be specific. Not everyone in the past thought suicide to be a sin.
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you
Avoid "you", and avoid "when reading" and similar. It is obvious that we are reading. "Dante describes a dark place... and the loud moans" is one choice.
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I feel that Dante can now shed any doubts he has accumulative from Dante’s previous failed actions
What does this mean?
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but with this new confident assertive Virgil
I don't understand this clause (grammatically)
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This whole Canto, in my opinion has a hidden theme, which is reclamation.
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Also, fraud can hurt more than one person at a time. Somebody in power, like a president, could commit fraud and it would affect millions of people. Propaganda is a form of fraud and it causes discrimination and hatred. The Holocaust is an example of fraud that lead to mass killings.
Maybe this part needs some elaboration and a sort of introduction.
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He hates fraud more than violence because fraud can only hurt humans, whereas violence hurts all creatures
I don't see how this sentence proves that fraud is worse. I would say the contrary, if I had to judge from this sentence.
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This terzina shows Dante the poet’s opinion that fraudulent people are worse than people who physically hurt, or even kill others.
good point
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soul is represented by his son
I don't understand this
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However, heretics attributed their souls to materialistic possessions in the world
Unclear
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Dante says that “my reply was so full” because even though it was misinterpreted, it was more information that what Cavalcanti originally possessed
Unclear
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is
here you need the past tense
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Their tombs are next to each other
No: they are in the same tomb.
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he metaphorically became a citizen of Florence.
Is he not a citizen of Florence? I am confused!
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providence
what do you mean?
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rule
check this!
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Both verses are well measured to show that both Farinata and Dante are equally loyal to their parties.
great!
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he was doing justice by his people
I don't understand: maybe "for his people"?
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and not vice versa
what is the viceversa?
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ruler
maybe: leader
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religious authority
not a religious authoruty
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Pope Frederick II
Frederick II is not a pope but the emperor of Sicily.
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hese souls are already lying down in their graves
only the worst heretics or all heretics?
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in materialistic moderation
what does this mean?
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Virgile
Virgil
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Another soul interrupts the conversation that barely begun between Farinata and Dante which is later on known to be the father of Guido(Dante’s friend). The father asks Dante why his son did not accompany him, so I can imply that Guido is already dead.
Is this paragraph necessary to your post, which is entitled "Farinata, friend or foe?"
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it leads me to assume
You are on the right track. Don't be too insecure in your writing.
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hy does he call Farinata his “leader”
where? I don't think he does.
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comes
Farinata rises, but he cannot leave his tomb.
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were
use the present tense here
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He illustrates the idea that in pervading the minds of others, heretics pervade the soul, a result of their actions against God’s will.
this is unclear.
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a
what does this a mean?
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translator
commentator? The translator doesn't comment.
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Although he is no longer living, this reaction shows that his eternal torment is a lesser cause of worry as opposed to the wrongdoings he feels the Guelfs have done him.
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f a great tomb, on which I made out this,inscribed: ‘I hold Pope Anastasius enticed to leave the true path by Photinus.’” (Digital Dante, note to lines 7-9, canto 11
I don't think this is a note. It's a translation.
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Fraud breaks the promise of love because fraud destroys faith/ trust. Therefore, Pope Anastasius receives the worst punishmen
Are you accusing Anastasius of Fraud. Since he is not among the fraudulent, you might have to make a case for this (maybe that Dante already anticipates the notion of fraud...)
(I am also testing hypothes.is again)
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gullet?
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Cerberus proceeds to devours his foods with raving hunger and remains to silence while he is fulfilling his appetite.
Do you see any connection with the topic of the canto?
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In
As for Cerberus'...
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describes
says that describe the weather condition
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artwork
can you say what it is? is it a painting, an etching, something else?
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that have made him human
the sins don't make him human, but a sinner... Although I know what you think by human (vulnerable, mediocre, etc.)
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cross
nobody can cross a hill... climb the hill?
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them
who is this "them"?
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with pride being one of them
such as pride of which pride is an example avoid the construction with "with... being"
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usually a “head held high” and a protruding chest are all physical characteristics of pride.
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I noticed that
cut what you don't need.
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interpreted
always use the present
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second Circle of Hell
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you
me?
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the
Virgil is a name. Cut "the"
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Martinez
When you quote from the poem, just put canto and line. This is Dante speaking, not Martinez.
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reading
Let's call things what they are: canto/passage.
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represented
always use the present
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Martinez
Maybe "Martinez and Durling, ed." plus the page number.
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Martinez’s
The translator is Durling. Martinez is one of the editor, together with Durilng.
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published
Not published, because it wasn't even written in 1300. Maybe set?
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you
me? Let's say people, maybe
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