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Mother Mary appears further into the background than the Magi and Joseph in his artwork, showing depth.
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In the “Madonna and Child” by Berlinghiero, Madonna’s face is too big for her body and she’s holding a miniature adult Jesus in her hands. The bodies are not proportional relative to themselves or each other.
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The difference is that Dante depicts the inferno as a structured institution however, Van Eyck depicts the inferno as a more chaotic region where the souls are everywhere rather than being localized in different levels.
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christ
Capital letter!
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grandfather
for Dante they are all his sons. Why do you think that for Carpeaux it's different?
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when you first glance at him
and later?
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Cimabue’s “ Madonna and Child”,
do you refer to the one we saw in class or to Berlinghiero's?
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escape
You missed the point here. The question is:
Question 2: Make a brief comparison between the last judgement envisions by Dante and this depiction of it (right painting).
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you can note countless comparisons.
Be accurate. There are no comparisons in the paintings. You make the comparisons.
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which is seen in the Adam and Eve were both doing something
watch your grammar here! Also, use punctuation.
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he is worth much more than what God deems him to b
this is part of his sin, right?
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letting us know
Say "which shows"
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anger
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Ugolini
Ugolino
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being
Cut being: is mentioned.
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To help us understand the very nature around Hell and Lucifer let us examine Canto 33 .
How is canto 33 helping you understand canto 34?
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never dying
They are dead!
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Ugonlino
Spelling
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This is very different from how Dante was in the beginning of Inferno, where he questioned himself and his worthiness of being the one to do the journey.
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Dante the pilgrim does not weep for Ugolino and instead uses his tragic story to criticize the city of Pisa.
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With this in mind, Ugolino is implying that his crime is no where near as treacherous as that of Ruggieri
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The presence of the words ‘teeth’ and ‘bone’ further emphasize Ugolino’s canine-like actions because it resembles a dog struggling to chomp on a bone whose rough exterior highlights the hardness of Ruggieri’s human flesh as well as the indifference and cruelty of the soul, itself.
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Ugolino’s famine becomes unbearable and he begins voraciously feeding on the decomposing bodies of the children
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So in conclusion, the whole pilgrimage was worthless because Lucifer ultimately had zero impact on the development of Dante and his guide to purgatory.
maybe this is ìntentional
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does not like
indeed he hates him!
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Dante, the Ghibellines
Dante is not a Ghibelline.
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thieves
they are not thieves, or at least they are not punished for stealing.
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Dante’s torture is his entire journey through the circles into hell.
I am not sure what you are saying here.Is Dante punished?
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Ugalino
Ugolino
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Fra
Fra Alberigo: Fra is not a namebut means friar
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Lucifer used this ability to speak to try and incite rebellion among the other angels
Good point: see Milton's Paradise Lost if you want to see Lucifer's rhetorical skills!
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he isn’t glorified or even dignified by speec
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n which the feet of simonists are engulfed in flame. In a certain way, Satan too used his position in a different context for personal gain.
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members
Maybe "sinners," or "inhabitants," or souls. Members make me think that they joined voluntarily (buying a membership, lol)
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Nothing burns like the cold
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nothing but a tool in God’s hands
in which sense?
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As Barollini described it: “In spiritual terms, Lucifer is the antithesis of the Divine Trinity: Lucifer spirates death where the Trinity spirates love.”
Good use of secondary source. You can insert the link to the page in the word Barolini if you want.
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Or are we, the readers, up for a big disappointment?
I love this?
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offered
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spoken
as in lines...
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He betrays Archbishop Ruggieri
No, he betrayed his city and Ruggieri betrayed him.
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Canto 33 focuses on the nature of weeping among the sinners. Dante alters the meaning of weeping for each soul. Count Ugolino wants to cry because he wants to express his grief for eating his own sons however, Alberigo wants to cry in order to obtain some for of autonomy over his own sins. Both want to express their grief for their fate however, neither can express it because crying is a humane characteristic that doesn’t fit their inhumane crimes.
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dual nature of being a relief and punishment
nice!
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personifies
not a personification (the representation of a thing as a person).
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body
cut
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more purer
purer (=more pure)
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The “stone” represents his loss of humanity because he begins to perceive his sons as food.
the stone doesn't connect with this kind of perception, I think.
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When
He doesn't say what you say he says when he is imprisoned.
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it’s
its
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high priest,
who is this? It is important in Dante's Inferno, even though he is not dead yet.
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Aristotle’s principle of contradiction
Where does this idea come from?
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After reading this Canto it made me realize
After reading this canto, I realized (because the subject of reading is I). OR Reading this canto made me realized (reading is the subject)
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are
you need the relative pronoun here: "Like F and C who are".
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whom
who (Beatrice, subject, asked Virgil, object)
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in which
this is the correct use of "in which" (in the area)!
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which
why "which"? which is a relative pronoun. It refers to the last noun mentioned. In this case Satan's body. Your sentence means "Satan's body isn't the first time). Cut which and say just "This isn't the first time).
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in which
what is the antecedent for this which? in the betrayal?
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I think it is anger that the sons mistake for hunger.
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my treatment of the text tends to gravitate to philosophy and mythology
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And that we should risk being wrong, rather than not making any thoughtful interpretation at all.
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so we are bound to write posts about similar things
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This made my posts more than just summaries of each canto. I can see that as the weeks went on, I tried to focus more on a specific idea in each canto.
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Dante’s exploration of contrapasso in the Inferno is something I find very interesting, as readers can probably tell from the numerous times that I’ve brought it up through my blog posts.
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At first I thought the topics I address have all been very different, but looking back I notice I usually write of how Dante views certain sinners and their actions. I write whether he shows the sinners pity or distain, whether he writes of their punishment as fair or unjust.
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my
by?
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image
imagine?
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Blog post 1 and 5,
In blog post...?
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should also look into arguing against what other people have written, if I do not agree with them.
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I believe, going forward, this would be a useful technique to add to the upcoming posts because it allows for an analysis of how the vivid text is brought to life in a manner that allows me to visualize the harrowing events in Hell.
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I believe I focus on this theme consistently because it is important to keep track of the emotional roller coaster that Dante is on.
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which Virgil fails to do so in canto 21
yes, this could be said better
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. Considering that Dante depends solely on Virgil as his guide, it is understandable that I included this connection in order to make my point.
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I use sentence syntax to show a character development in Farinata from a to a florentine Citizen.
unclear
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cantos
posts?
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canto
do you mean post?
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post I was able
the first post in which I was able...
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made
you FIND the similarities (you don't MAKE them)
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My fifth blog post I compared
A preposition is missing. IN my fifth blog post...
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13
Ciacco is not in Canto 13.
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My first four blog posts were more like summaries rather than reflective posts. They all included images with a short description of them but, I mostly summarized what the canto was about. However, my blog posts five and six had more connections, comparisons, similarities and changes in style.
Good for you!
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he ongoing theme of symbolism
Please notice that symbolism if not a theme.
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the worst sins to the least severe in order
It is the other way around, less to more serious...
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which
Dante?
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tend to bring bits of information I learned in previous classes
I noticed that too. It's great!
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arguement aswell
spelling and spaces
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imporve
spelling
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I found that while I quote a lot from the Inferno, I do not often quote from outside sources like many other students do.
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all my other posts have either directly addressed the way the act of remembrance is used in the text or alludes to it by examining the representation of sinners in comparison to their living appearance
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On the other hand, I have to admit that my posts lack coherency and logical organization due to the fact that I choose the most appealing image or topic of my interest in a particular canto without paying attention to what I previously wrote about.
you don't have to stick with the same topic!
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continues through hell continue
there is something wrong here!
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language
You read the Italian! Brava!
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n which he
substitute "in which he" with "and"
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writing helps one express ideas/ reflect on their own well-being and I think Dante (the writer) is doing this through Dante (the pilgrim).
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written
newly assigned... Dante doesn't write anymore!
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I believe writing as simple and as clear as possible is rather difficult than easy but sometimes writing in a simpler way is better.
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After re-reading my posts one recurrent thing I do is incorporate the plot
do you do this after reading your posts?
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and dig deeper in my explanations
This is not a bad thing. Or maybe you mean you don't dig deeper.
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Sometimes I find myself formulating my own ideas of what events mean and get so excited that I write my posts on my ideas alone without searching outside commentaries that could take my idea a little bit further as well as support my ideas. Finding solid support would not only validate and explain my ideas but would also help other students reading my posts better understand the ideas I’m trying to express if maybe the way I have worded something isn’t as clear as it could be.
This is a very important point.
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I’ve focused on themes like fear, midlife crisis, sinners creating their own Hell, and comparing sinners to animals.
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for that
for why, maybe (I don't understand)
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We can see there is an implicit iconography of ascension by comparing these two excerpts.
By comparing ... we can see... (change your order)
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draws
who draws a connection? you miss a subject here.
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brought
Cut. You don't need this.
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can be
maybe "Dante summarizes like this", otherwise I expect your summary.
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indeed
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But then why are the sinners of canto 22, who are guilty of barratry, also compared to animals? They were not violent.
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From
By? In?
And then "is defined as"
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by his Tuscan language
for his language?
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they angered the “Silent,
who is they? how does this sentence work grammatically with the quotation?
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believed
use present tense, please.
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According to Friedrich Nietzsche, how can these sinners achieve human greatness
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stated
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Of course, Dante did not place this reference here knowingly since he believed that the Donation of Constantine happened. Regardless, I believe it is worth mentioning as an interesting observation even though it is undoubtedly without intent.
You already said this.
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The forgery of the Donation of Constantine was an act that I would classify as violence using intellect or in a broader term fraud as well as a theft of power from those who held it by dishonest means.
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making
"is making"
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was the first example of the encyclopedic nature of Dante’s Commedia I was introduced to and whose layers I find fascinating.
I don't understand: you think that before this canto there are no references to previous writings or culture?
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As our poets make it to the sixth circle
before he makes it there the sinners are not punished?
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of
with
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similar to how Christ had the weight of mankind on him
this idea is taken from the comments. Please take our plagiarism test.
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It seems that this journey is also a test of faith for Virgil as much as it is for Dante.
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his little excursion of Dante and Virgil is definitely a part of his design
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them
who is them?
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it
who discusses?
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ucci is among the unique sinners that Dante meets
what do you mean?
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medium
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livelihoods
I know what you mean, but are you sure this is the right word? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/livelihood
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the Blake medium
what is this?
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This advice seems to be an indication of Dante the poet’s life outside of Inferno.
See Nicoletta's post.
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they
the latter? (to avoid ambiguity)
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Divine Comedy, Dante Alighieri,
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were
Use the present tense.
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ou look closely it looks like Virgil and Dante are hugging each other as they watch in fear the exchange between Ciampolo and the demon
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When Ciampolo bluffed, it portrayed Ciampolo’s victory and Alichino’s defeat (Falvo
In this sentence you are using Falvo's exact words, which should quoted between inverted commas. Please see out plagiarism test.
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was
is: always use the present tense.
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et al.
Dante is the only author. Why et al.?
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Falvo, Joseph
What is the title of this essay?
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The Logistic Model Has Good and Bad Features PROS CONS Mathematically Tractable, College Life
What is this? Is this a title? Maybe check MLA style to see how to quote a website. (But I have the impression that this is not a scientific website like the databases we are using)
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hat pnishing sin does not always help the sinner understand the nature of what he or she has done wrong
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sinners
sinners'?
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Martinez and Durlings note to lines 19-21, states that the traditional idea of how dolphins would warn the sailors when there was a storm approaching
This is incomplete.
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Sparknotes
This is not an acceptable source in academia, because those text are not peer reviewed. You don't even need a secondary sources to understand that Dante and Virgil are hiding (the poem says it).
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the precariousness of the ending
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helped
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was
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the Pilgrim
the pilgrim lives the story, doesn't tell him (unless you mean that when the Pilgrim speaks of himself in the Comedy he does so with pride and not shame – but you should rephrase your sentence).
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writes the sinners in his poetry back into existence on earth
I love this sentence!
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Virgil’s encouragement for the Pilgrim to seek fame can be read as representing Dante’s act of writing the Divine Comedy, to use his life to gain fame by writing poetry
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you
He (Dante)?
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two
I don't understand what are the two ways: Dante has to give up sloth is one and what is the non-wasteful way?
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characters
outside of the narrative?
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the heat from the pitch couldn’t pull them apart
the heat separates them
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Dante uses an extended metaphor that “as sometimes one frog stays while the other jumps”
This is a simile, not a metaphor.
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Vergil.
Question mark.
Virgil is the character, Vergil the poet in the convention of our book.
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the souls have this little patience with the damned soul
ambiguous: do you mean the demons have no patience?
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was
present tense
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saw
see
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beasts
Do you mean demons here?
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The demons are pretending to help Dante cross the 8th Circle hence they’re acting as “dolphins” leading Dante and Vergil who represent the sailors however, the beasts are really like the sinners themselves who trick and deceive people.
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Beasts vs Sinners (Parallel)
Suggestions:
A parallel between beasts and sinners Sinners as beast
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do
you can cut this "do" because it doesn't fit your syntax and put [...]
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Evil Tail
he or "the devil" or find another noun...
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word
plan?
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n canto 8
do you mean canto 9?
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Barolini elaborates on this point by claiming, “Malacoda [Evil Tail] weaves truth with falsehood into a perfectly designed trap, giving instructions and information that seem straightforward and helpful to Virgilio but that his troops can decode as deceitful and hostile,” (Barolini)
good use of the secondary source
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he self-assurance present in Virgil’s attitude.
maybe here "thanks to his self-confidence" (the antecedent of his would clearly be Virgil).
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the father figure
yes, we look at what we have in the text....
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Given that Dante’s father was accused of usury, a form of fraud, could this be an admission by Dante that the accusations against his father were not only true but also that Dante himself assisted in that fraud? Or could it symbolize Dante freeing himself from the shame he felt due to his father’s crimes since the sins of the father should not fall upon the son?
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The appearance of two father figures of Dante in Inferno begs the question, where is Dante’s biological father?
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, benefited
no comma between subject "Ciampolo as a kite" and benefits (in the present)
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Barolini’s commentary, “Malacoda was effectively telling his devils that they will soon be authorized to attack the travelers.”
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“And to me he said:
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was
present tense here
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being there
do you need this? "Without Virgil, Dante would have been..."
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In Canto 23, Virgil and Dante managed to slip away from Barbariccia and the other demons that were distracted by the demons Calcabrina and Alinchino fighting. Virgil and Dante saw this as their final opportunity to leave
Please use the present tense.
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This contrasts with the way in which most of the sinners in Hell are prey to their emotions and physical desires such as anger, lust, greed, and so forth. Although Virgil is in one circle of Hell, he is only there because he is not a Christian; he is a pagan. Virgil, however, uses his willpower to master his emotions. Throughout the poem, the ability to master emotions is seen to be a uniquely human characteristic that identifies with human ability.
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milked
another metaphor!
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her pen
note the metaphor here!
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This is shown when
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verybody sins, including himself
He realizes it in canto 1.
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were
use the present tense
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v.s.
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himself as well as the reader
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avoid ending up in a damned position similar to Nicholas.
Dante is not part of the clergy and doesn't aspire to be. I don't think he risks.
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that bothers him throughout his participation in politics
unclear
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At this point, Dante is used to and no longer shocked at the extremity of the punishments.
this is not true (see canto 21)
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He is becoming more aware of his connections to the souls in Hell, especially when they are connected to a political or religious background in which Dante participates.
this is unclear... Dante feels connected to Nicholas III? Dante is part of the clergy?
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ongoing
cut, do you need the word? and what does it mean attached to circle?
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Boniface
which of the Bonifaces?
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someone
no, simony is the sin not the sinner
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A contrapasso of punishments rather than a contrapasso of sin and punishment.
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