For ownership ought to be common in a way, but basically private; if different people attend to different things, no mutual accusations result, and they will together contribute more, since each per-son keeps his mind on his own proper concerns. On the other hand, virtue 30 will make friends' possessions common (as the proverb says) for their use.
seems like a debate between socialism and capitalism almost
beast or a god.
quite the interesting comparison. So someone separate from the political community is a savage being or a god? Those are sharp opposites
And all they can say to distinguish a king from a politician is that someone who directs things 15 himself is a king, whereas someone who follows the principlesl of politi-cal science, ruling and being ruled in turn, is a politician. These views are not true.
seems pretty real to me though?
But they must also distinguish alteration from coming to be; yet their own statements make this impossible.
his beef with them
Those
Seems to be going back to some of the examples we did in the begging of the semester with the origins of the philosophers
It alone is most divine in two ways: for the divine science
Is this the ultimate science? His view of divine science?
It
This seems pretty interesting to me. The whole notion of keep building on top of new discovers and being claimed the pioneer almost.
Errors occur even in productions of craft; grammarians, for instance, have written incorrectly, and doctors have given the wrong medicine. 35 Clearly, then, errors are also possible in productions of nature.
but isnt nature suppose to be constructed by the gods? can they make something imperfect?
For we refer the ultimate reason why (1) in the case of unmoved things, to the what-it-is (for instance, in mathema-tics; for there we refer ultimately to the definition of straight or commensu-rate or something else), or (2) to what first initiated the motion (for in-stance, why did they go to war? -because the other side raided them), or 20 (3) to what it is for (for instance, in order to set themselves up as rulers), or (4) in the case of things that come to be, to the matter.
this actually seems like physics for once. Seems alot like the natural principles of physics. (gravity, accel., etc.)
Chance
causation? ie I push an old lady and cause her to fall type of deal?
As we
so we cant give luck and chance as causes? there has to be some other mechanism to create this cause?
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is this a truth table?
We
this almost looks like a proof in reasoning
We
what principles? senses? sciences? geometry?
case
trying to prove astronomy by geometry? I have no clue what he is saying in this paper.
Can you name any life that despises political rule besides that of the true philosopher?
sarcasm? sounds like he really wants to be this ruler
Therefore each of you in turn c must go down to live in the common dwelling place of the others and grow accustomed to seeing in the dark.
sends the smart ones to exile below the city?
Now, it looks as though the other so-called virtues of the soul are akin to those of the body, fo!" they really aren't there beforehand but are added e later by habit and practice.
thats pretty interesting concept
they
Has a lot of components of democracy, leadership, and really begins to showcase Socrates' hate of public opinion and democracy. A lot to unpack and argue about whether his view that only a true navigator/captain can actually lead to success over a crew that is democratic and has a self appointed Captain. ss
And Adeimantus replied
someone finally blows up
isn't
keeps leading them to pointless questions that he later sums up
Perhaps
moving toward the city model
merely give us a theoretical argument that justice is stronger than injustice, but tell us what each itself does, because of its own powers, to someone who possesses it, that makes injustice bad and justice good.
I kind of like this call out
Well, if the gods don't exist or don't concern them-selves with human affairs, why should we worry at all about hiding from e them?
this is an interesting move away from the gods
unjust person's successful attempts at injustice must remain undetected, if he is to be fully unjust
CApt. Doc example
In fact, you see, none204of the gods loves wisdom or wants to become wise—for they are wise—and no one else who is wise already loves wisdom; on the other hand, noone who is ignorant will love wisdom either or want to become wise.
is he saying those who are wise do not seek wisdom? cant be...
ngue-tied,
here we go...
Love fills us with togetherness and drains all of our divisiveness away.
sounds like a specific campaign slogan
intelligence
our souls always exist? where do they go?
but also thinks of another thing of which the knowledge is not the samebut different, are we not right to say that he recollects the second thing thatcomes into his mind?
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separation of the soul from the body? Do webelieve that death is this, namely, that the body comes to be separated byitself apart from the soul, and the soul comes to be separated by itself apartfrom the body? Is death anything else than that?
first definition of death before they dive deeper ss
guardians and that men are oneof their possessions
so people are slaves to the Gods? ss
My bonds caused pain in my leg,and now pleasure seems to be following.”
Is he just saying that he is relieved it will soon happen? ss
courage is a virtue, and moderation, wisdom, and munificence, and very many others.
seems to be giving just characteristics and not a definition
justice and moderation?
certain characteristics of virtue?
Even if they are many and various,
Found my answer. SS
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is he saying there are many different kinds of virtue? SS
:should one do the things one has agreed with someone to do, providedthey are just, or should one cheat?
following through with a promise. ss
will be acting justly if we pay money tothose who would get me out of here and do them favors, or whether wedwill in truth be acting unjustly if we do those things
He is still thinking about justice? if they break him out then it would be unjust? ss
not
Is he saying that his own judgment is distorted? ss
cowardice
too much of cowards to testify within the trial? SS
slanderers say to slander me
shade
them
the higher moral character?
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seems like most all of the authority and design making is form the top down in this idea
and of things that are not, that they are not.
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pherical shape to fire
Becuase of the sun perhaps?
isdrumlike
Flat Earther plus Geocentric believer?
apart
seems like an environmental observation influenced his theory. reminds me of a sedimentary rock in geology and how they are just meshed together until a stream or other object breaks them apart.
left
seems to be using a lot of opposites and comparisons from B14-B17+ i.e. moon/sun; male/female; light/dark etc.)
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interetsing use of "night" as there seems to be a distinction later on about the values associated with light and darkness
beensaid
Seems to be another appeal to Gods for justification ?
Homer
Was much of the Pythagorean philosophy, customs, etc orally passed down like Homer's poems? Or written down much later from distant stories?