Nishida Kitarō, the founder of the Kyoto School philosophy, had a similar concern. According to Nishida, the self can be known empirically, namely as an object of our cognition, but this self is not the original self. In his words, it is the "known" but not the "knower". The problem for him was that most Western philosophers before him were concerned with the "known" or the self as an object and not the self as the subject. His main concern was to identify the self as the subject. But for him, the "knower" ultimately cannot even be called a "subject" since the non-objectifiable self cannot be predicated either. He eventually comes to conceptualize this self by reversing Aristotle's definition of hypokeimenon as that which is subject but never predicate. For Nishida, the self (or consciousness; these refer to the same thing for him) in its original form is "that which is predicate but never subject". I feel that this might be similar to Udayana's "indeterminate perception". Since it is never a predicate, we cannot say "what" it is, but, according to Nishida, this self is the ground of all our knowledge. Coming from the Zen Buddhist tradition, Nishida called this self "absolute nothingness" since it is absolutely no-thing (not an object). I wonder what Udayana would say of this. Also, I'm not sure what "objectless cognition" means here and how that relates to the non-objectifiable self that Nishida speaks of.