I remember being in discussions with various Occupy people at various sites, in which I would say, "Well, what's the next political move?" Or, "How do we, or how are you thinking about structuring this?" Or, "What's the strategy?" and there would be silence, there's no strategy.

If it had merged in some possible manner with the Occupy movement, and if the Tea Party movement hadn't been co-opted by big money, by the Koch Brothers, by others in the Republican right, maybe we could have seen the beginnings of almost a third party movement in America

One of the biggest lessons of the Occupy movement was that you can't only have a demonstration. Demonstrations are great. Demonstrations are important to bring attention to certain critical issues. But if you lack mobilization and organization and a political strategy, then you're just basically engaging in a performative act. You're indulging in a performance. You aren't really changing the course of history.