Well, some of us tried to be unreasonable. But another thing he invented was what he called the type one and the "type two argument." So when a "type one argument" was verging towards the personal and towards this not making progress thing, he would say "type two argument," and everybody would groan. And a "type two argument" is when each of the arguers has to make the other person's argument to them.DEVON: Right. Steel man it, instead of straw man it.ALAN: Yeah, until they agree that they're making their argument.DEVON: Right.ALAN: Yes, that is the argument I'm making. And then the other person... And this takes for-fucking-ever.DEVON: Yeah.ALAN: But-DEVON: But it means that you actually understand where the other person is coming from before you try to tear it down.ALAN: Well, it's not even that. One way to think about it, took all the human drama out of it, in the end almost everything that we did at PARC, in the end we didn't vote. In the end we would usually pick somebody to make the decision.

We were a floor culture at PARC so we not only had the bean bags instead of chairs. Why bean bags? Well, you can't leap to your feet to denounce somebody from a bean bag.