there must be a dozen bodies around the world who are trying to rethink it to some extent economics and 00:47:49 capitalism my issue with all of that is it's still within the frame that our last election was in 14 parties basically saying our future 00:48:03 is fundamentally modern now some of them might say and we want a new kind of capitalism but they're still in a modern frame and so I want to go back to your comment about Donald Trump 00:48:16 and others that there are people who kind of intuitively get it that that we do need to shake up the systems in a really serious way that we've got 00:48:29 but you see it actually took that idea seriously I mean it's just for the moment you and I agree and and anybody who's listening to this agree what we've done in effect 00:48:41 is by agreeing to be oblivious to the systems that we're actually in we have left to people who want to shake 00:48:55 up systems for their own good and in service of their own ego you end up with the Daniel Smiths on Donald Trump's and Eragon in turkey and the Prime Minister the 00:49:08 prime minister of Hungary um and Johnson who was prime minister in England uh I mean you end up with people who are thoroughly destructive yes they're perfectly willing to shake 00:49:21 things up but in a sense to no good end