for - Lisa's profound meditative experience - gestalt switch - perspective switch - no words to describe the experience - novel experience, no words exist to describe

comment - Lisa talks about finding it difficult to describe this experience - When we have entirely new experiences that are radically different from anything we've had before, - we have no reference system to describe it, the words don't exist, while the novel experience does. - This becomes an invitation to extend language, knowing however, that language itself is always dualistic and symbolic