we we can know that the 00:26:37 illusion the mueller liar illusion is an illusion we can draw it ourselves a hundred times but knowing that doesn't make it go away and that's because that illusion is perceptual not conceptual it's a we're 00:26:51 absolutely wired to see things that way and it may well be that we are wired or badly wired um to see ourselves as selves instead of as persons