- Jul 2024
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www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
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26:30 Brings up progress traps of this new technology
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question How do we shift our (human being's) relationship with the rest of nature
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metaphor - interspecies communications - AI can be compared to a new scientific instrument that extends our ability to see - We may discover that humanity is not the center of the universe
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Question - Dr Doolittle question - Will we be able to talk to the animals? - Wittgenstein said no - Human Umwelt is different from others - but it may very well happen
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species have culture - Marine mammals enact behavior similar to humans
- Unknown unknowns will likely move to known unknowns and to some known knowns
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citizen science bioacoustic projects - audio moth - sound invisible to humans - ultrasonic sound - intrasonic sound - example - Amazonian river turtles have been found to have hundreds of unique vocalizations to call their baby turtles to safety out in the ocean
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ocean habitat for whales - they can communicate across the entire ocean of the earth - They tell of a story of a whale in Bermuda can communicate with a whale in Ireland
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progress trap - AI for interspecies communications - examples - examples - poachers or eco tourism can misuse
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progress trap - AI for interspecies communications - policy
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whale protection technology - Kim Davies - University of New Brunswick - aquatic drones - drones triangulate whales - ships must not get near 1,000 km of whales to avoid collision - Canadian government fines are up to 250,000 dollars for violating
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environmental regulation - overhaul for the next century - instead of - treatment, we now have the data tools for - prevention
56:40 - ecological relationship - pollinators and plants have co-evolved
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AI for interspecies communication - example - human cultural evolution controlling evolution of life on earth
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- progress trap - AI for interspecies communications - examples - poachers - ecotourism
- ecological relationships - pollinators and plants co-evolved
- metaphor - interspecies communication - AI is like a new scientific instrument
- environmental overhaul - treatment to prevention
- AI for interspecies communication - example - human cultural evolution controlling evolution of life on earth
- progress trap - AI for interspecies communications - policy
- whale protection - bioacoustic and drones
- progress trap - AI applied to interspecies communications
- citizen science bioacoustics
- interspecies communication - umwelt
- - whale communication - span the entire ocean
- question - How do we shift our relationship with the rest of nature? - ESP research objective
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- May 2024
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we've created a very complex psychosocial World in which we live and we have to adapt to and it changes so rapidly it creates all sorts of problems for us
for - quote - progress trap - speed of cultural evolution - Ray Noble
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www.linkedin.com www.linkedin.com
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this dualism probably isn’t right given today’s complexities
for - progress trap - post comment - LinkedIn - Ralph Thurn article - progress trap - adjacency - progress trap - maladaptive - attention - focus of attention - cultural evolution - duality - dualism - dualistic
adjacency - between - progress - progress trap - maladaptive - cultural evolution - attention - focus of attention - Exploring this statement further, it isn't just that it is our dualistic thinking applied here is a problem - but that it is the very nature of human analytic reasoning coupled with our innate ability to focus our attention which requires a deep unpacking - For to focus on an object of attention - is something we can only accomplish by defocusing on everything else - Indeed, it is the very act of attention on the one, that is inextricably accompanied by the act of inattention of the many - Our body, and that of many other organisms is evolutionarily designed - to focus our attention in our field of view on emergent phenomena that is salient to our survival - The nature of reductionist-type research - which is to say, most research - is that we continue applying this evolved adaptive behavior, even though cultural evolution (ie. progress) has accelerated exponentially to such an extent - that this same biologically evolved behavior has become maladaptive in the context of modernity
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- Sep 2023
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synthetic bioengineering provides a really astronomically large option space for new bodies and new minds that don't have 00:04:28 standard evolutionary backstories
- for: cultural evolution, cumulative cultural evolution, CCE, bioengineering, novel life form, culturally evolved life, bioethics, progress trap, progress trap - bioengineering, progress trap - genetic engineering
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- cultural evolution, which itself emerges from biological evolution is acting upon itself to create new life forms that have no evolutionary backstory
- this is tantamount to playing God
- progress traps often emerge out of the large speed mismatch between cultural and biological/genetic evolution.
- Nowhere is this more profound than in bioengineering of new forms of life with no evolutionary history
- This presents profound ethical challenges
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- Aug 2023
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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About ten years ago, a massive breakthrough happened in genomic research technology. A method appeared which is called NGS, next generation sequencing, and this method significantly cuts time and costs of any genomic research. For example, have you ever heard about the Human Genome Project? It was quite a popular topic for science fiction some time ago. 00:03:10 This project launched in 1990 with the goal to decrypt all genomic information in a human organism. At that time, with the technology of the time, it took ten years and three billion dollars to reach the goals of this project. With NGS, all of that can be done in just one day at the cost of 15,000 dollars.
- for: progress trap, cumulative cultural evolution, gene-culture co-evolution, speed of cultural evolution, human genome project
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- the human genome project took 10 years and cost 3 billion dollars
- with NGS technology, 10 years later, the same job takes 1 day and costs $15,000 dollars
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link.springer.com link.springer.com
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In AET, this process results in a species that is prone to niche construction and ecosystem engineering, and the scale of these processes continues to increase as the population rises. This increasing scale coupled with human propensity for niche construction leads to human unsustainability
- for: for: ecological collapse, overshoot, progress trap, progress trap - cultural evolution, ultra-sociality, Lotka's maximum power, gene culture coevolution
- key finding
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- In AET,
- multi-level selection acting on the genome and
- occurring in concert with selective and non-selective mechanisms acting on culture and technology
- results in a species that is prone to
- niche construction and
- ecosystem engineering,
- and the scale of these processes continues to increase as the population rises.
- This increasing scale
- coupled with human propensity for niche construction
- leads to human unsustainability
- In AET,
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To Gowdy and Krall, the ultra-social nature of human groups allowed for a shift in the primary level of selection from the individual level to the group level. Thus, “With the transition to agriculture the group as an adaptive unit comes to constitute a wholly different gestalt driven by the imperative to produce surplus
- for: ecological collapse, overshoot, progress trap, progress trap - cultural evolution, ultra-sociality, Lotka's maximum power
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- to Gowdy and Krall, the ultra-social nature of human groups allowed for a shift in the primary level of selection
- from the individual level
- to the group level.
- Thus, “With the transition to agriculture the group as an adaptive unit comes to constitute a wholly different gestalt
- driven by the imperative to produce surplus
- to Gowdy and Krall, the ultra-social nature of human groups allowed for a shift in the primary level of selection
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Anthroecological theory (AET) hypothesizes that human social and cultural evolution is the ultimate cause of the ecological crises currently damaging earth systems
- for: AET, Anthroecological theory, anthropocene - causes, ecological crisis - roots, overshoot
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- Anthroecological theory (AET) hypothesizes that
- human social and cultural evolution is the ultimate cause of the ecological crises currently damaging earth systems
- Anthroecological theory (AET) hypothesizes that
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Title: The genetic and cultural evolution of unsustainability
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Author: Brian F. Snyder
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Abstract
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- Anthropogenic changes are accelerating and threaten the future of life on earth.
- While the proximate mechanisms of these anthropogenic changes are well studied
- climate change,
- biodiversity loss,
- population growth
- the evolutionary causality of these anthropogenic changes have been largely ignored.
- Anthroecological theory (AET) proposes that the ultimate cause of anthropogenic environmental change is
- multi-level selection for niche construction and ecosystem engineering.
- Here, we integrate this theory with
- Lotka’s Maximum Power Principle
- and propose a model linking
- energy extraction from the environment with
- genetic, technological and cultural evolution
- to increase human ecosystem carrying capacity.
- Carrying capacity is partially determined by energetic factors such as
- the net energy a population can acquire from its environment and
- the efficiency of conversion from energy input to offspring output.
- These factors are under Darwinian genetic selection
- in all species,
- but in humans, they are also determined by
- technology and
- culture.
- If there is genetic or non-genetic heritable variation in
- the ability of an individual or social group
- to increase its carrying capacity,
- then we hypothesize that - selection or cultural evolution will act - to increase carrying capacity.
- Furthermore, if this evolution of carrying capacity occurs
- faster than the biotic components of the ecological system can respond via their own evolution,
- then we hypothesize that unsustainable ecological changes will result.
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- gene-culture coevolution
- overshoot
- Lotka's maximum power
- Brian F Snyder
- human niche construction
- AET
- unsustainability
- progress trap
- niche construction
- gene culture coevolution
- cumulative cultural evolution
- progress trap - cultural evolution
- key finding - AET
- evolution of our polycrisis
- evolution of the anthropocene
- Gowdy and Krall
- The genetic and cultural evolution of unsustainability
- conscious cumulative cultural evolution
- evolution of polycrisis
- Anthroecological theory
- key finding
- ultra-sociality
- cultural evolution
- key finding - unsustainability
- progress trap - gene culture coevolution
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- for cultural evolution, speed of cultural evolution, cumulative cultural evolution, progress trap, Freeman Dyson,
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- Freeman Dyson opines that cultural evolution of humans now determines the genetic fate of all species on the planet
- and gives a warning of how human cumulative cultural evolution now has the potential to threaten, via genetic sciences to play God over biology itself -reference
- Musician Yoyo Ma quotes Freeman:
- https://hyp.is/go?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocdrop.org%2Fvideo%2F2fBmGXqHvk8%2F&group=world
- Freeman Dyson opines that cultural evolution of humans now determines the genetic fate of all species on the planet
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To preserve our wildlife as nature evolved it, the machinery of biological evolution must be protected from the homogenizing effects of cultural evolution.
- for: cultural evolution, cumulative cultural evolution, speed of cultural evolution, progress trap, Freeman Dyson, Anthropocene
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- while Freeman spoke to the direct dangers of genetic engineering,
- he neglected to point out the broader threat of progress itself, which has already placed our species in the position
- of playing God with the evolution of many species on the planet already, via the enormous impacts of organized human activity - ie. the Anthropocene
- he neglected to point out the broader threat of progress itself, which has already placed our species in the position
- while Freeman spoke to the direct dangers of genetic engineering,
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- Jul 2023
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davidkorten.org davidkorten.org
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The consequences of our current choices bear not juston us. They bear on the continued evolutionary unfoldingof life in the universe. This marks the scale of our currentresponsibility
- for: human impacts, MET, major evolutionary transition, progress trap, human responsibility to life, CCE, cumulative cultural evolution, playing God
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- Very true, in fact our species is in the unprecedented position that
- human activity, and specifically our cumulative cultural evolution (CCE) now determines the biological / genetic evolutionary future not only of our own species, but of all life on earth.
- In other words, of evolution itself! -This is an awkward position as we have nowhere near the wisdom to play God and determine the future direction of evolution!
- References
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- Apr 2023
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beiner.substack.com beiner.substack.com
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“what could we appeal to that is so strong, so compelling that it spurs the kind of collective action and coordination needed to tackle the dangers of exponential technology?”
// - To find a God that can kill Moloch - requires an understanding of the nature of progress as well - Relationship to progress traps - Exponential technologies - are technologies, and all suffer the same fundamental flaw - Progress is an expression of our cumulative cultural evolution - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=cumulative+cultural+evolution - which grows exponentially faster than genetic evolution - The problem of which is that - the shadow side of progress, the progress trap - - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=progress%2Btrap - is growing even faster, due to our misunderstanding of it, - allowing it to fester like an untreated wound - turning a minor condition, into a life-threatening disease - Human progress has always been a bungling two step forwards, one step backwards dance - the imperfections of progress are inherent - and baked into the innovation process itself - For we develop technologies based on what we know, or what is visible - but what we know is like the tip of the latent knowledge iceberg - and is always accompanied by a much larger hidden component of what we don't know - In other words, - finite and visible knowledge - is always accompanied by infinite and invisible ignorance - Design is based on intent, - a one dimensional, inherently myopic imagination - of a multi-dimensional reality - A problem is a one dimensional focus - on a small sliver of reality - A solution to the problem is necessarily - myopic and - one dimensional as well - Both problems and their (designed) solutions - are extreme simplifications of a complex system - Language itself is a way - to direct and focus our attention - to this aspect of reality - then that aspect - Thinking is reduced to parts, and never experiences the whole, undivided gestalt of reality - Out of this process - Progress traps are born //
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- Jan 2023
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www.edge.org www.edge.org
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In the near future, we will be in possession of genetic engineering technology which allows us to move genes precisely and massively from one species to another. Careless or commercially driven use of this technology could make the concept of species meaningless, mixing up populations and mating systems so that much of the individuality of species would be lost. Cultural evolution gave us the power to do this. To preserve our wildlife as nature evolved it, the machinery of biological evolution must be protected from the homogenizing effects of cultural evolution.
!- genetic engineering : risk - cultural evolution via genetic engineering could make the concept of species meaningless - it is a significant b potential progress traps
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The lesson of fallen societies is that civilization is a vulnerable organism, especially when it seems almighty. We are the world’s top predator, and predators crash suddenly when they outgrow their prey. If the resulting chaos unleashes nuclear war, it could bring mass extinction in a heartbeat, with Homo sapiens among the noted dead.
The maladaptive cultural evolution of our species has led us to the height of human technological and economic prowess as well as the height of ecological disaster. This can be interpreted as the result of linear vs nonlinear thinking, simplistic modeling vs complex modeling and reductionistic approach vs a systems approach. An attitude of separation engenders a controlling attitude of nature based on hubris, instead of humbling ourselves at the vast ignorance each of us and also collectively we have about nature. Design based on a consistent attitude of willful ignorance is sure to fail. Then Ascent of Humanity will lead to a trajectory of its own downfall as long as that ascent depends on the cannibalization of its own life support system based on ignorance of our deep entanglement with nature. http://ascentofhumanity.com/text/
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