what you're where you're sketching as per your presentation is working models and you're kind of exploring them there with 00:37:49 the audience and there are evidence-based models meaning that conversations today tend to become a string of anecdotes like oh I heard that and then you say well I will trust him because he's an authority figure or he 00:38:02 looks trustworthy or someone else said he was just worthy and there's this complex notion of trust which is hopefully going to be obsolete if I am up here building my models and you can 00:38:14 see the model I'm building you don't have to take my word for it you can see the model you can see the facts in knowledge I'm bringing it to support the not model you can see where those are coming from you can kind of see the provenance of everything I'm using to 00:38:25 support my argument and you teak the model you can like check the facts yourself and you make all that visible it leads to a very different notion of trust and integrity and this is I think 00:38:38 a really important part of the the empowering aspect is that trusting authority is disempowering giving people the ability to be independent is empowering