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The decision letter after peer review, sent to the authors on June 30 2020, follows:
Summary:
This paper addresses a critical issue in neuroscience: what's the question, and can we answer it? The questions the author proposes are ones that have been considered, in one form or another, reasonably often by experimentalists. And the author shows rigorously that there's a reasonable chance that they are simply not answerable.
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We believe that this is an extremely important issue, and the approach the paper takes is a reasonable one for addressing it. Our main worry, though, is that mainstream neuroscientists will ignore it, for two reasons. One is that it's not a message they want to hear. Second, the example circuits are sufficiently abstract that they can be dismissed as yet another musing by your typical uninformed theorists. (That is not, we should emphasize, our view, but it's not an uncommon one in the field.) Our goal, therefore, is to fix these potential problems, so that people will have to pay attention.
The premise of the paper is that if you understand a neural circuit, there are certain questions about it that you should be able to answer. The author proposes six such questions, and then shows that in the worst case they are exponentially (in the number of neurons) hard to answer.
The success of this program hinges on two things: a sensible set of questions, and a demonstration that answering those questions is hard. We're not ecstatic about the questions, but we believe that's not an insurmountable issue (more on that below). More problematic is the result that the questions are hard to answer. What's really shown is that there is at least one circuit for which, in the worst case, answering the questions is exponentially hard. While this is certainly correct, it doesn't make a convincing case that answering these questions will be hard in the brain. First, the worst case may not be the typical case. The 3 SAT problem, for instance, is NP complete, but is hard to solve only for a narrow range of parameters. Second, answering the questions for actual circuits found in the brain may not even be exponentially hard in the worst case.
This brings us to two critical comments. First, it needs to be crystal clear that this paper does not demonstrate that answering the proposed questions is guaranteed to be exponentially hard, only that it might be. This was stated in the manuscript, but not emphasized. For instance, on lines 138-140, it says
"Using techniques from Computational Complexity Theory, we ask what is the smallest number of experiments necessary, in general, in order to answer these questions, in typical experimental settings."
Here "in general" means worst-case. For neuroscientists, though, "in general" means "most of the time". It should be clear that you mean worst case, and that the typical case may be very different.
In fact, this needs an expanded discussion. Whether or not it will take an exponential number of experiments to answer the questions depends on the circuit. We might get lucky, and only a small number of experiments are needed. Or we might get unlucky, and a large number are needed. This analysis can't tell us that, and this should be clear in the paper.
Second, what's really needed is the analysis of a more realistic circuit, ideally with both positive examples (for which it is possible to answer the questions) and negative examples (for which it isn't). This is hard, but we have a few suggestions, some of which can probably be done without a huge amount of work.
a. Linear network, y=Ax+noise. For this (and possibly in all realistic) situations, "perform the task" needs to be replaced by "achieve a certain level of performance". For instance, if there's a true mapping y=f(x), then "perform the task" would be replaced with "<(y-y*)^2> below some threshold". The questions should be answerable in polynomial time for this network; otherwise, one should worry.
b. In 2000, Hopfield and Brody came up with a simple circuit which we think of as "understandable" (Hopfield and Brody, PNAS 97:25, 13919-13924, 2000). It would be nice to determine whether the questions can be answered in polynomial time for this circuit. Again, if they can't, one should worry.
c. Deep networks. Again, "perform the task" would have to be replaced with "performance is above some particular threshold". Here we suspect that the questions are not answerable; if that could be shown, it would be a huge step forward.
d. A made-up model of a deep network. Assume that in a deep network, whenever you delete a neuron, performance drops. That's probably not so far from the truth -- and also not so far from what we think would happen in the brain. (With some exceptions; occasionally I hear talks where performance is better when two areas are ablated rather than just one, but let's ignore that.) How much performance drops depends, of course, on which neurons are deleted, so there's not a simple mapping between performance and which neurons are present in the circuit. Can the questions be answered in this case? This sounds like a problem computer scientists have considered, so possibly rigorous analysis could be done.
We believe it's critical to consider a case that is not far from what one might find in the brain. Otherwise, it will be too easy to dismiss this work as irrelevant to real neuroscience. The above are only possibilities, and a and d may be pretty easy, but the author is welcome to come up with his own examples. Note that rigor is not absolutely necessary here, since there's already one rigorous example. Plausible arguments would be fine.
Finally, "understand" needs further discussion. That's partly because the approach here is a little non-standard. Most people try to directly define "understanding". Instead, the statement is "if you understand a circuit, you should be able to answer these questions". This has to be made crystal clear -- especially since people aren't expecting it. In addition, a discussion of the more standard approach, a direct definition, should be included. The usual definition is something like "A short description of what is being computed, along with a description of an algorithm for computing it." It should be clear how this, more standard, definition compares to the one in the paper. For instance, under the standard definition it may be possible to understand a circuit without being able to answer any of the questions. For instance, I believe we can "understand" (by the more standard definition) the synfire chain circuit. This doesn't mean that one definition is better than the other, but their differences should be acknowledged.
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- Apr 2021
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The decision letter after peer review, sent to the authors on August 20 2020, follows.
Summary:
In this manuscript, Mughrabi et al reported a technical advance of long term vagus nerve stimulation (VNS) in mice. VNS has been used in clinics for treating certain patients with epilepsy and depression and pioneered in clinical trials for a number of disorders including inflammation. Yet, VNS has not been widely used in mice for mechanistic studies largely due to technical challenges dealing with the small size. Here, the authors developed a method for chronic implantation of VNS stimulator in mice, and tested the effectiveness of the method using measurements of heart rate changes and effects on inflammation. This method is potentially useful to investigate the therapeutic potential of long-term VNS in chronic disease models in mice. While reviewers were positive about the work performed in this study including that it was carried out by multiple labs, there are major concerns about certain points and additional essential experiments are needed. These include the need for robust data related to the LPS inflammation studies and histological analysis. There were also missing details of methodologies that decrease the enthusiasm for this study.
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1) At least two papers (PMID: 28628030, 32521521) have reported implants usable for the same application (long-term VNS in mice) although more extensive validation and characterization were performed in this manuscript. A comparison between those implants and the one in this manuscript needs to be discussed. As the authors stated, one technical challenge is that the vague nerve in mice is very small and fragile. However, it is unclear how the approach presented here is different from previous designs, and in particular, how mechanical damage is reduced using the reported apparatus.
2) If the paper is going to be a resource, the authors should provide detailed descriptions of the materials and construction of the electrode. Currently the details are sparse and the photos of poor resolution. It is unclear how the custom cuff was built (no details provided in the method section), what materials were used, and whether these materials are bio-compatible. Also, it is not clear whether and how the cuff electrode is appropriately insulated to prevent stimulation of surrounding muscles/nerves. In addition, the touching point between the nerve and the cuff is very easy to be damaged. With the description of the implantation procedure, it should also be made clearer as to when the cuff electrode is place on the nerve. A clear description could prevent torsion or other injury to the nerve.
3) LPS experiments: All reviewers thought the LPS experiment needed improvement. This study is under-powered and lacks a control group (saline + Sham stim). The LPS study is inconclusive due to a small number of animals. Increasing N to get conclusive data is important because this implant will be very useful to investigate the anti-inflammatory effect of long-term VNS in chronic disease models in mice. Related to this point, out of the 4 animals with bradycardia, 2 animals did not show a decrease in serum TNF. This raises a concern that using heart rate threshold may not be appropriate to deliver a consistent stimulation dose within/across animals if the goal is to get a consistent anti-inflammatory effect. It is likely that vagus efferent fibers responsible for HR decrease (innervating the sinoatrial and atrioventricular nodes) and those responsible for an anti-inflammatory effect are different populations. Those two populations might be differently affected by the implantation surgery and repetitive stimulation. In addition, performing VNS in awake animals is closer to the human situation.
4) Please confirm that 0.1mg/kg is the correct dose, this seems low to induce this amount of TNFa.
5) The histology of the vagus nerve raised questions and needs to be addressed. Here were relevant comments by reviewers.
In fig 4b, the vagus nerve in the cuff is quite clear, as is the carotid artery. But there are other nerve fragments and/or auto-fluorescent tissue immediately adjacent. What are these? Leads one to wonder if they only stimulated the vagus? The cervical sympathetic travels with the cervical vagus and care is needed to separate them from the carotid sheath. On the right side of fig 4b, the "control" side, they highlight a nerve nowhere near the carotid artery. This is intact tissue, so the vagus has to be next to the carotid artery. There is a big nerve next to the right carotid that I would bet is the vagus. I think they've got it wrong. It is not clear at what level these photos are taken, is it the cervical vagus? The authors should indicate the left and right carotid in these figures.
Figure 4. I do not see how fibrosis is determined. Is this actually collagen? Can the sections in B be stained with mason's trichrome. In "B" I am not sure that I see that the indicated regions are in fact the vagus nerve. It is hard to tell what other nerves would be present as there are few indications of the anatomical area these sections are from other than neck. Thus it Is hard to discern if this really is the vagus or not. I would have thought that the carotid artery should be visible in close proximity to the nerve bundle, this seems not to be the case and leads to uncertainty that this is the correct nerve.
Was there any difference in histology between mice with functioning and non-functioning cuffs? As stated in Discussion, left VN without surgery in different animals would be a better control than right VN in the same animals.
6) In the data presented in fig 2 or any of the studies where the kent scientific pulse/ox was used, Did O2 saturation decrease with the change in breathing?
7) Why didn't animals receiving awake VNS show visible changes in BR, which is in contrast to remarkable changes in BR in anesthetized animals?
8) In video 1, it is unclear when the stimulation starts or stops. As a result, it is uncertain if the mouse scratching is due to stimulation. Is this a pain/nociceptive response?
9) Fig 3 is presented in a confusing manner. In "A", I'm not sure why two mice are presented for different days post implantation and what this is showing. There is a clear effect of VNS on the heart rate and breathing (rate, and air flow), is this the minimum current for each day that was found to induce the heart rate threshold change. While I appreciate that the longer pulse widths are less susceptible to the effect of bio-encapsulation of the electrode over time, I'm not sure how one compares 100 uA at 100 us to 400 uA at 600 us. In B how is the HRT achieved without damaging the electrode as the ICIC is exceeded, or are we not understanding this graph correctly? In C there are days that seem to be missing given the legend. The supplementary figure also appears to have data points missing or obscured?
10) Success rate tops out at 75% with a skilled surgeon, and ranges between 40-60% for your average player. I'd say this is not too good.
11) It would be nice to show that the implant does not cause chronic inflammation as this would impact its usefulness as a method. The authors should measure tnfa 14 days Post implanted in cuff implanted and sham implanted mice.
12) What behavioral experiments were done, and what were the results? These are mentioned in several places (line 172, line 279 etc) but not reported.
13) The vagus nerve is critically involved in many essential body functions. Chronic implantation of the VNS stimulator may cause severe inflammation, nerve damage, and neuronal dysfunction. Therefore, it is critical to demonstrate that the chronic implantation does not alter nerve function. The chronic effect of the VNS stimulator implantation needs to be carefully monitored. For example, whether there is any change in body weight, food intake, as well as the sensitivity of diverse physiological reflexes such as the baroreflex, the Hering-Breuer reflex, and the stomach accommodation reflex.
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- Mar 2021
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Summary
PP1 and PP2A make up the majority of serine/threonine phosphatase activity in the cell. While substrate recognition has been studied for PP1 and PP2B, the substate recognition of PP2A holoenzymes are less understood. Here, Fowle et al. set to understand substrate recognition of B55/PP2A. Using a specific substrate of B55, p107, the authors identify a conserved binding motif (HxRVxxV) for recognition by B55 and show additional B55 substrates also contain this motif. This work incorporates many complementary structural and biochemical assays to delineate the binding and recognition of substrates by B55.
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1) What is the evidence that this motif is only recognized by B5alpha/PP2A and not other B55 family members? Are the residues identified in B5alpha critical to the p107 interaction (D197 and L225) conserved among all of the isoforms? If they are, can other B55 family members bind p107?
2) Have the authors looked for the HxRVxxV motif across the proteome? The author only state that they noticed that this motif was found in Tau, p130 and MAP2, but how many proteins contain these motifs? A list or understanding of the potential proteins which contain this motif could give researchers outside the field a link to understand the phosphatase important for their protein of interest.
3) For the P107 deletion mutants has the expression of each one been confirmed in Figure 1 and is decreased binding to PP2A B55alpha been normalized to the expression of these mutants.
4) Is the phosphorylation of p107 by CDK2 affecting the affinity of B55 binding to this substrate?
5) Have the authors considered measuring direct binding affinities using ITC/SPR for example to look at the effects of these various mutants in a cell free / in vitro system?
6) It would have been interesting to study the effects of the various B55 mutants on the endogenous phosphorylation of p107, Rb, and KSR?
7) To gain insights into the physiological role of the identified domain of p107 in PP2A-B55 binding and in the dephosphorylation of this protein, new "in cellulo" experiments using the full length p107 mutant protein have to be performed and its impact in the temporal pattern of dephosphorylation analyzed.
8) Figure 1D, it is obvious that in order to compare the levels of PP2A-B55 associated to each construct it is essential to normalize the levels of A and B55 signals to the quantity of protein that is recovered in each pulldown. As such, the levels of each GST construct in the pulldowns have to be measured by western blot and used to obtain the PP2A A our B55/GST-spacer ratio. Ratios can be then compared.
9) The authors state that: "a mutant lacking residues C-terminal of R2 binds B55α similarly to the full construct, indicating that residues C-terminal to the R2 domain are dispensable for B55α Binding". Do "residues C-terminal of R2" mean full R2 region? If this is the case, this statement is not supported by Supplementary Figure 1B, where western blot of construct 2 and 7 display dramatically reduced B55 and A levels.
10) The authors tested the effect of KR residue mutation in the R1 and R2 regions in p107 dephosphorylation. KR mutants used for the R1 are R621A/K623A, the two mutants that were tested in Figure 1D and that were shown to impact B55 binding. However, they select K657A/R659A for R2 region. These two mutants were not tested in Figure 1D. Why do they introduce these mutants and not R647A that was investigated in Figure 1D? If the authors think that these residues are important, why did they not test them for its capacity to bind B55 in Figure 1D?
11) Other cdk-dependent phosphorylation sites on p107 that are essential for E2F binding have been described. Some of these sites are out of the spacer sequence. It will be interesting to know whether the dephosphorylation of these sites are dependent on PP2A-B55 and regulated by the mutants on the spacer sequence that decrease B55 binding.
12) Figure 4A and B. Dephosphorylation pattern of R1R2 control construct is drastically different in Figure 4A compared to 4B. In the first case, complete dephosphorylation does only take place upon two hours of incubation compared with fifteen minutes in the second. This is very weird if the same purified phosphatase is used in both experiments. In this line, I would expect a timing of few minutes for a total dephosphorylation when a purified phosphatase is used. Does it mean that phosphatase in Figure 4A lost activity?
13) "In vivo" experiments on the dephosphorylation of the non-binding p107 full length mutants have not been performed. To demonstrate that these residues are physiologically relevant for the physiological temporal p107 dephosphorylation pattern, these experiments must be done.
14) In the same line, to really show the involvement of the pST-x(5-10)-(RK)-Vxx(VI)R in Tau dephosphorylation by PP2A-B55 a direct mutant of this sequence of Tau should be checked.
15) What are the consequences of B55a-interaction mutants in p107 function? Is that mutant protein able to sustain cell cycle arrest?
16) Since the authors propose a new model/motif, it would be great to add some statistics on to what extent this motif is present in the numerous hits found in recent screens for B55 targets during mitotic exit. Is this motif present in B55 targets involved in non-cell-cycle (TAU) or cell-cycle targets? Is it equally present in proteins dephosphorylated during early versus late mitotic exit? Any hint into these questions may facilitate the impact of the model proposed in the biology of PP2A/B55.
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Summary:
The submitted manuscript presents an argument for a novel mechanism of action for the antibiotic colistin. The authors suggest that colistin kills bacteria through its action on lipopolysaccharides at the inner membrane. This is primarily supported by MCR-1 mediated colistin resistance conferring resistance only to cell lysis and not to outer membrane permeabilization. The authors extend this hypothesis to suggest that increasing the amount of LPS in the inner membrane should increase susceptibility to colistin. By inhibiting LPS transport with murepavadin, the accumulation of LPS in the cytoplasmic membrane increased. Combinations of colistin and murepavadin act synergistically to improve bacterial lysis and show efficacy in a murine lung infection model.
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1) 1) Observations demonstrating MCR-1 modification does not impact outer membrane perturbation and provides resistance to colistin induced lysis are supported by MacNair et al. They suggest that strengthened LPS packing provided by mcr-1 could play an important role in reducing the uptake and lytic activities of colistin. The author's should address that decreased colistin uptake could also result in reduced lysis. To support their hypothesis, the relationship between the amount of modified LPS in the inner membrane and resistance to cell lysis could be expanded on. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02875-z
2) The authors use the lack of change in susceptibility of mcr-1 spheroplasts to daptomycin and nisin to support that there is no change to the biophysical properties of the phospholipid bilayer of the cytoplasmic membrane. However, whether the sensitivity of daptomycin and nisin to changes to membrane charge or fluidity remains unclear.
3) Murepavadin is used to increase LPS at the CM and as interpreted would support the hypothesis. However, it is also possible that in the whole cell assays, the OM disruption of colistin sensitizes the cells to the killing activity of murepavadin. Repeating the assays with a non-lethal OM permeabilizer like polymyxin B nonapeptide would eliminate this possibility and strengthen the authors conclusions.
4) The authors suggest that mcr-1 provides protection from colistin through the modification of LPS at the inner membrane and that outer membrane modification has no impact on colistin activity. In contrast, it has been demonstrated that mcr-1 decoration is capable of preventing outer membrane perturbation by polymyxin B nonapeptide (https://www.nature.com/articles/nmicrobiol201728). This suggests that modified LPS at both the inner and outer membrane may play a role in resistance.
5) Authors should discuss work in the synergy between novobiocin and colistin where novobiocin enhances colistin killing through the stimulation of LPS transport. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5990483/
6) Hydrophobic NPN dye was used to explore the permeabilization of OM in this work. However, the uptake of NPN is not absolute proof that colistin is permeable. The authors should discuss this as a possible caveat of their mechanistic model.
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Summary:
This paper is of potential importance to neuroscientists who study sensory representations and how they are learnt. It suggests that neural representations underlying human perception can be understood in terms of an optimal compression of the sensory input. While the attempt is indeed interesting, there are several shortcomings that should be addressed before this work could be considered as one that can contribute substantially to the understanding of tactile perception.
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1) There is a significant gap between the simulated data used here and the empirical data of material perception by touch. The vibratory signals were taken from recordings of surface exploration using a tool tip (Strese et al., 2017 ) whereas the ratings of the different materials are taken from an experiment in which participants used bare hand touch (Baumgartner et al., 2013). The difference is significant especially when material classification, and not only texture classification, is required. It is not at all clear how vibratory signals could code hardness, warmth, elasticity, friction, 3D, etc (see Baumgartner et al., 2013). The authors must provide a serious discussion about this gap and convince the reader that their simulations can indeed provide an access to the internal representations of natural haptic touch. In the same spirit, they should explain why, and demonstrate that, the pre-processing of the vibrotactile data (cutting & filtering) makes sense for natural haptic touch.
2) The authors should provide good reasons to convince the readers that the compressed representation they found is indeed a good candidate for the biological representation. First, the nature of the AE algorithm is that it will converge to some representation in the minimal encoder dimension. Why is that a good encoding representation, and why is it a good model for the biological one? Second, the differences between the results obtained with the AE and those obtained with humans (Baumgartner et al., 2013) seem to outnumber the partial similarities found. The authors should list both differences and similarities and discuss, based on these comparisons, the probability that the coding found here is similar to the coding guiding human behavior.
3) Notion of efficiency and compression. It was not demonstrated that the main result (figure 3A) is due to compression and efficiency of the AE. What will happen if no AE is used and the distance is measured in the raw input domain (e.g. between Fourier coefficients or principal components)? One could expect figure 4 to account for that, and also show that for a very wide AE there is some deterioration of the main result. Otherwise, the main result about correlation to perceptual data cannot be attributed to the compressive property of the AE.
4) Biological correlates of the latent representation. On the one hand the authors claim that the AE latent representation aims to mimic a latent representation of the haptic space, which they assume to be compressed and efficient. On the other hand, they claim that the AE representation is similar to mechano-sensory representation, which is a first biological representation before any compression can take place (when hand movements are ignored, as done here). This needs to be clarified.
5) Validity of the latent representation. The reconstruction error of the AE is large and systematic: only ~50% of the variance are explained and its high frequencies are systematically ignored. The resulting latent representation is such that classes are poorly separable (~29%) and it seems to be by far worse than the human level (around 70% in Baumgartner et al. 2013). It will be therefore interesting to see if the key result, i.e. relation between AE latent space and the perceptual distance, remains valid for a more advanced AE.
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- Feb 2021
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The decision letter after re-review, sent to the authors on February 2 2021, follows.
Summary
The reviewers concur that this article offers an interesting conclusion regarding optimal foraging and chemosensory valence. However, they also agree that it would benefit from a second round of revision, aiming at an improved precision of language and a better discussion of the assumptions of the model and experimental conclusions.
Public Review 1:
The authors present experiments that demonstrate how C. elegans worms bias their foraging decisions depending on feeding history and sensory cues (here, called pheromones) that reflect the density of worms. Navigational preference for these sensory cues is found to change from attractive to repulsive depending on the time at which worms leave a food patch, and additional experiments that condition worms under different combinations of conditions (with/without the sensory cues, with/without food, with/without repellent) indicate that associative learning is involved in this inversion of preference. A mathematical model is provided to argue that this inversion represents an optimal foraging strategy that is also evolutionarily stable.
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The authors use the nematode C. elegans to reveal how animals associate social signals with specific contexts and modify their behaviors. Specifically, they show that C. elegans leaving a food patch are attracted to pheromonal cues, while those leaving later are repelled from pheromones. The authors using a behavioral model to suggest that the switch from attraction to repulsion is likely due to a change in learning. This study links learning with social signals providing a framework for further analysis into the underlying neuronal pathways.
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Summary
This paper builds on recent studies that have made the connection between chronic endothelial damage and cellular senescence among endothelial cells in PH. Here, using a transgenic mouse that expresses in endothelial cells a dominant negative form of the TRF2 protein needed for telomere maintenance, the authors induce cellular senescence in the endothelium and show that these mice demonstrate worse PH characteristics following exposure to chronic hypoxia. They go on to test the effect of this dominant negative protein on human pulmonary artery endothelial cells in vitro and show that transfected ECs increase expression of secreted and surface-bound signaling molecules, and that when co-cultured in direct contact with pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells the SMCs increase their proliferation, an effect blocked by pharmacologic inhibition of Notch signaling. Notch blockade in vivo attenuates pulmonary hypertension in both transgenics and wild type controls. These data provide an intriguing framework for understanding how endothelial damage alters signaling to neighboring cells in the vascular wall and provides further evidence that Notch signaling plays a key role in the development of PH vasculopathies.
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1) It's unclear where within the pulmonary vasculature the TRF2DN transgene is expressed, and therefore which vessels are effected by senescence. That the transgene is driven by a well-established endothelial promoter (VEcad) is not sufficient to demonstrate universal expression. Especially in the case of a transgene whose expression is intended to result in chromosomal abnormalities, DNA damage and a halt to cell proliferation, significant mosaicism is to be expected. In situ hybridization with probes specific to TRF2DN or an antibody stain that specifically recognizes the transgenic protein on lung tissue sections would address this problem. Both representative images and a careful characterization of the classes of arteries (subdivided by diameter, for example), capillaries, veins, and lymphatics that express the transgene and with which levels of mosaicism would be ideal.
2) Validation of the EC expression changes, specifically of the Notch ligands identified as upregulated in vitro, need to be validated in situ to ensure they are upregulated in the endothelium of arteries where the PH phenotype (increased muscularization, increased SMC proliferation) is observed in this model. Whole lung dissociation followed by enrichment for CD146+ ECs will result in an overwhelming number of capillary ECs and a tiny number of artery ECs (Figure 3E). Similarly for the in vivo validation of Notch reception in SMCs through qPCR for indicators of Notch reception (Figure 3F, 4I) - this experiment was done on whole lung lysate and does not demonstrate increased expression of these genes in the artery wall. In situ hybridization with probes specific to TRF2DN or an antibody stain that specifically recognizes the transgenic protein on lung tissue sections would address this problem. Both representative images and a careful characterization of the classes of arteries (subdivided by diameter, for example), capillaries, veins, and lymphatics that express the transgene and with which levels of mosaicism would be ideal.
3) The method by which PAs are identified (Figure 1D, 4F) and the metrics by which artery muscularization from images of tissue sections is quantitated (Figure 1F, 1H, 4H) are somewhat unclear and appear to be made from very few fields from an unspecified number of animals. There appears to be significant variance in artery response to hypoxia (comparing Figure 1E with vehicle in 4G), which is not a problem and very much to be expected, but means there must be absolute clarity in how the data for graphs summarizing imaging data were obtained. A supplementary figure with representative images demonstrating how arteries were scored would be very helpful. The number of independent mice for each analysis must appear either in the figure legends or in the relevant sections of the methods. A reader's understanding of how the PAs were identified in Figure 1D and 4F would be helped by using a vascular specific antibody stain. And a supplementary figure with a large panel of artery images from Tg and Wt animals before and after hypoxia exposure, with and without DAPT, so the reader can grasp the range of effects on vessels in each case would be immensely helpful.
4) Please describe the in vivo relevance of endothelial progeria induced by decreased TERF2 function in patients with PAH.
5) While endothelial senescence leads to decreased proliferation and apoptosis of EC, which have been shown to occur in PAH, clonal proliferation of EC is also a hallmark of advanced disease in PAH. The study does not comment on this varied phenotype of EC in the pulmonary circulation in PAH patients and the relationship of senescence of EC to SMC migration.
6) Increased levels of Jag1 have been linked to excess proliferation in several cancer cell lines. In the context of senescence with decreased EC proliferation, increase in Jag1/Jag2 levels is surprising and the paper does not comment on this phenotype as being distinct from cancer cells.
7) The mechanism for increased notch ligand expression in response to progeria was indirectly addressed with 5-Aza studies which presumably leads to inhibition of DNA methylation. However, it is unclear how this inhibits increase in notch ligand expression. In the discussion, the authors mention (Line 17, page 10) that DNA hypomethylation promotes specific transcriptional programs as a result of senescence. However, 5-Aza prevented the induction of Notch ligand expression in senescent EC (Suppl Fig 2). The discussion of these results needs further clarification. It is unclear what specific epigenetic modifications occur to increase the expression of Jag1/2 and Dll4 in senescence associated changes.
8) The study did not report whether aorta and other systemic vessels demonstrate senescence changes in endothelial cells-endothelial progeria in the TG mice would involve all vasculature. Presumably, vascular remodeling was limited to the lung, given the unique response of the lung to hypoxia. However, examination of a systemic vascular bed would have strengthened the conclusions of the study. Do the EC and SMC derived from aorta or coronary vessels show similar responses in vitro compared to human PAEC with DN-TERF2 transfection?
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Summary
This study examined osmolarity-dependent dendritic signaling in oxytocin magnocellular neurosecretory cells (OT-MNCs). The authors show that repetitive depolarizations evoke larger calcium responses in proximal dendrites relative to distal dendrites. When these neurons were exposed to hyperosmotic stimuli, the distal calcium responses were found to be inhibited to a greater extent compared to proximal dendritic calcium responses. Propagation of glutamate evoked depolarizations from the dendrite towards the soma were also found to be reduced following increases in osmolarity. These effects of hyperosmotic stimuli are likely mediated by changes in membrane resistance of dendrites. A non-selective blocker of the channels, ruthenium red, blocked these effects of hyperosmolarity, indicating the non-selective cation channels (e.g. TRPV types) may be responsible.
All three reviewers agreed that the finding is potentially important and could address fundamental questions about MNC dendritic physiology. However, the reviewers identified a number of technical concerns, as summarized below. These concerns need to be addressed for further consideration.
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1) The title and abstract are not exactly reflecting what this study is about. The title of the paper is "Dendritic membrane resistance modulates activity-induced Ca2+ influx in oxytocinergic magnocellular neurons of mouse PVN". However, dendritic membrane resistance is never actually measured. As such, a title that does not mention membrane resistance may be more appropriate. Also, the purpose and rationale of this study are not clearly communicated in the abstract and introduction. The implication to the regulation of soma-dendritic release of oxytocin, but not hyperosmotic responses, was mentioned in Introduction, while the entire Results and Discussion sections are about hyperosmotic stress.
2) Figure 3: The reviewers believe that stimulation paradigm is not physiological (neurons voltage-clamped at -70 mV with repetitive voltage steps to +50 mV for 5 ms). It is important to show that action potentials in the current clamp, instead of the +50mV voltage step in the voltage-clamp, can produce similar signals.
3) A major focus of the manuscript is on Ca2+ elevations in MNC dendrites. However, the authors have not performed the essential experiments to identify what the Ca2+ entry/release pathways are. It is important to show that Ca2+ is through voltage-gated Ca2+ channels for their main conclusions. In addition, it should also be established whether dendritic propagation is active or passive.
4) It is essential to report the effect of the osmotic stimulus alone on dendritic resting Ca2+, as this would affect the interpretation of the Ca2+ data.
5) Figure 8: What is the effect of RR on proximal EPSCs? This information is needed to interpret the effect of RR on distal EPSCs. It would be required to also test the effect of RR on the modulation of Ca2+ responses in distal dendrites to see their effects on the dendritic conductance.
Statistical handling:
Please provide the statistical methods (t-test, 2-way ANOVA with Hom-Sidak corrections, 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA, etc.) used for each measurement in the text or figure legend (not just in the method section). For repeated measures ANOVA, please indicate how measurements were repeated.
For the statistics of sex differences (Fig. 2-1, 4-1 etc), it is required to use 3-way ANOVA to assess variability by cells, animals, and sex. The number of males and females used is not clear in some cases, but it appears that only 2 females and 2 males are used (Line 203-204). If this is the case, the statistical comparisons between males and females are not meaningful and should be removed.
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In summary, this manuscript elucidates the function of Glypicans in Hh transport via cytonemes. The reviewers felt that that the manuscript describes convincingly that the fly glypicans Dally and Dally-like are required to maintain the expression of the Hh co-receptor Ihog, which stabilises cytonemes to establish the Hh gradient in the wing imaginal disc. A molecular analysis of Ihog domains was well executed.
Although the manuscript provides an in-depth analysis, the reviewers believe that the presentation of the data is rather challenging for the readers. The authors need to clearly describe the different roles that have been attributed to the glypicans and for every experiment presented, a clear explanation of the impact of the results is needed e.g. Figure 5. In addition, the stability of Ihog and Boi by altered Glypican levels and their ability to stabilize cytonemes needs to be investigated. Finally, linking the Ihog analysis to cytoneme stability analysis needs improvement.
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We feel that the major conclusions are right but the manuscript and story is not quite clear enough at present and there is a lack of deeper cellular and molecular mechanistic understanding of these phenomena to distinguish this work from the previous published studies. That ASC senescence impairs adipogenic differentiation capacity, has been previously reported in eLife in 2015 (doi: 10.7554/eLife.12997). For example, you concluded that adipose derived progenitor cells from older adults have higher potential to become senescence, which impaired adipogenesis. The percentage of senescent cells in adipose tissues is low, but the mechanism of how they could significantly affect adipose tissue functions is unknown. Is this through paracrine effects? or cross talk with other immune cells? etc.
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1) Although the authors found that ASC senescence is associated with mitochondrial dysfunction and oxidative stress, it the nature of the links between these cellular events is unclear. It is well-known that mitochondrial dysfunction can directly lead to senescence. If the authors meant to prove that ASC senescence causes early adipocyte mitochondrial dysfunction, more evidence is required.
2) It has already been reported that ASC senescence impairs adipogenic differentiation capacity, in Elife in 2015 (doi: 10.7554/eLife.12997). Furthermore, although the authors found that metformin prevents the onset of senescence and associated dysfunctions in ASCs, it has been shown in many publications that metformin is a senomorphic drug that can reduce the senescence-associated secretory phenotype. So it is not surprising that metformin can block the effects of senescent ASCs. Also regarding the increased adipogenesis by metformin, it has been reported that metformin can directly regulate adipogenic transcription factors, such as peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPARγ), CCAAT/enhancer binding protein α (C/EBPα). As such, sufficient novelty is lacking at this point, and would require demonstration of causal links among these cellular events.
3) Several conclusions need to be smoothed out and discussed in more detail. Methods must be described with more details, especially with regard to fat depot digestion (type of collagenase, concentration of collagenase, amount of tissue used for the digestion, are cell yields similar between young and old adipose tissue? Number of plated ASC?). The authors must consider that the term ASC is nowadays related to Adipose stromal cells and not Stem cells. As described in the introduction and method sections, ASC are stromal cells that adhere to plastic including fibroblast, smooth muscle cells, pericytes, endothelial cells, resident macrophages, preadipocytes and progenitors. This must be discussed since distribution and repartition of stromal cells are modulated with aging. The term "adipocyte" must be changed to "differentiated ASC" because adipocytes are characterized by unique lipid droplet (not the case here). The title must be modified. Senescence is related to ASC and not to adipocytes.
4) Figure 1: It is unclear why the authors conclude about they are recapitulating in vivo aging. If so, one might expect that senescent "young ASC" phenotype may recapitulate the one of "old ASC" with a time lag, what is not the case for all the studied parameters. For example, the % of bgal cells is equivalent between P7 old cells and P11 young cells what is also true for P16, P21 and prelamin A but not for reactive oxygen species or mitochondrial potential. The authors must discuss this point.
5) Figure 2: Was Cell number at confluency controlled and similar between "young" and "old" ASC? Since post-confluent mitosis are necessary for adipogenesis, one might speculate that the decreased adipogenesis might be related to less cell number and proliferation.
6) Figure 3 and 4: Cells were treated from P3 with metformin. Do the authors consider potential "resistance" effect? When taking into account the large number of individuals treated with metformin, is there any evidence of an impact of metformin treatment on age-related loss in subcutaneous adipose tissue? Finally, inhibition of senescence may lead to cancer development. The authors must discuss this point.
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This is an exhaustive study of different phenotypes associated with Histone H3-G34 mutations in a fission yeast model. Because mutations at this site occur in certain human cancers, teasing apart their different phenotypes in a model system helps to understand their potential effects in pathology. The phenotypes vary widely, suggesting a key role for this residue in a variety of genome maintenance functions.
The authors systematically examine histone modifications, transcription, and use genetic and cytological assays to measure genome stability. The phenotypes vary widely, suggesting a key role for this residue in a variety of genome maintenance functions. Direct extrapolation to human cells is limited due to the absence of multiple H3 variants in fission yeast, and the absence of the PRC1/2 pathway. However, this is balanced by the rapid and thorough analysis of numerous variants that is enabled in this model system.
It is not possible to draw a simple model as there is little consistency in the phenotypes. This suggests that the G34 residue independently affects multiple activities. These will require laborious efforts to tease out.
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This is overall a technically very well done paper with a variety of methods to examine different mutations in H3-G34. The strength is the consistent approach applied to numerous mutations. However, as there is no single response, it's rather descriptive overall. We have no major concerns about the data, but feel that the conclusions need to be tempered in two areas where the assays were not direct.
1) In the absence of NHEJ repair assays it needs to be noted that conclusions about NHEJ proficiency based on drug sensiutivty are indirect.2)
2) The authors imply that the H3G34 mutants affect the activity of the Set2 H3K36 methyltransferase. In the absence of an in vitro H3K36 methylation assay on the mutant histones with recombinant or affinity purified Set2 the authors need to note that this conclusion is speculative as they have not measured it directly.
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This paper describes very clearly a set of experiments to assess collateral sensitivity to certain antibiotics that is created by carriage of beta-lactam (incl carbapenenem) resistance plasmids in E. coli. This addresses one of the limitations of existing literature on CS, which typically focuses on the effects of resistance point mutations, which are clinically less significant. By documenting multiple ways that this CS is real and selectable and to a degree generalizable across genetic backgrounds, this is an important contribution in showing that CS is a real phenomoenon for clinically important resistance mechanisms.
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1) The primary screen of 'antibiotics x plasmids' to identify collateral sensitivity, presented in Figure 1B, lacks an analysis of the statistical significance of results. Supplementary data shows that measurements of MIC are a little too noisy to robustly identify 2-fold changes with only 4 or 5 replicates. Defining "significant" as "mean more than 2x" is not adequate. Using a power calculation derived from the data in the manuscript, a sample size should be determined to have a 90 (or other high) % chance of detecting a 2x difference given the variability observed between assays, and then they should be done. Ideally this would be for all organism-plasmid pairs, but at least for the ones that the preliminary screen found a mean of 2x for.
2) Recommendation (not required for acceptance, but please temper claims of clinical relevance if not done): The comparative killing data should be repeated in competition. This is technically more challenging but I believe not more so than the comparative growth curves. This would establish as proof of principle that a mixed population could be purified of plasmid-bearers by CS. Without this, the clinical relevance will still remain speculative. Also, two reviewers initially misread these as competition assays. The text and legend should emphasize that these are separate populations
3) (Not required for acceptance but suggestion for future work:) The presented work is solid but, as pointed out by the authors, there is no mechanistic explanations for the observations. It would be highly interesting to know if the collateral effects are due to specific genes (OXA-48 would be a good place to start) and/or if the observed effects are due to the plasmid backbone.
4) The experiment in Figure 3 demonstrates the exploitation of collateral sensitivity to preferentially inhibit plasmid-bearing bacteria. The terminology in this section refers to 'eradicate', 'mortality' etc, but in practice, the experiment defines survival as OD>0.2 after ~24 hours. It seems likely that in the 'non-surviving' conditions, waiting another day or two would show regrowth of some bacteria in these conditions.We don't think this requires any change to the experiment, only how the results are described: they show preferential inhibition of growth, not eradication. A more patient approach to identifying regrowth would be necessary to definitively state that these bacterial populations have been eradicated. Suggest tempering claims.
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Adiponectin is a key adipokine, and much of our knowledge about this molecule has come from the Scherer lab. It is well known that adiponectin promotes improved insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance, along with anti-inflammatory effects, which can be followed by decreased fibrosis. In this paper the Authors use loss and gain of function mouse models to explore whether the beneficial effects of adiponectin on metabolism can be translated into greater healthspan or lifespan. They show that lifespan decreases in adiponectin KOs and increases in the transgenic (ΔGly) mice. The expected effects on glucose metabolism, insulin sensitivity, inflammation, and fibrosis are also demonstrated.
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1) Given the known significant effects of adiponectin on metabolic fitness, the effects on healthspan which the Authors observed in their 2 models, was expected. However, while median survival time is definitely less in the APN-KOs and greater in the ΔGly mice, the effects are relatively modest compared to other longevity studies. Any increase in lifespan is a good thing, particularly when accompanied by a corresponding increase in healthspan. We would've hoped for greater effects on lifespan than those observed but even modest effects are worthwhile. The Authors should comment in their discussion on this point. In other words, it would be good to know the Authors' thinking as to why these impressive effects on glucose, insulin, inflammation, fibrosis, etc. do not lead to even greater effects on lifespan. Also, is there any information on the causes of mortality in the WT vs. KOs that might point to why lifespan is decreased?
2) APN-KO clearly leads to impaired glucose tolerance, but it is a bit surprising why insulin levels aren't increased, which is the typical metabolic response to insulin resistance.
3) Can the Authors please comment on adipose tissue mass in the KOs, particularly if they have any information on subq fat?
4) In Figure 3, they show increased staining for ATMs with Mac2 in the KOs. What about the expression of other inflammatory gene markers, such as those shown in Figure 3G for the liver?
5) With respect to hepatic effects, this paper shows increased inflammation in the liver in APN-KOs. However these gene expression patterns are in total liver tissue, and it would be helpful to understand the origin of these inflammatory markers. Are they from Kupffer cells, monocyte-derived macrophages, etc. In a similar vein, various fibrosis marker genes are increased in total liver from the APN-KOs. Most likely these expression differences reflect stellate cell effects. Do the Authors have any information on the effect of adiponectin on stellate cell function. Although fibrosis-related genes are elevated in the APN-KO, is there histologic evidence of increased fibrosis in the liver sections?
6) The Authors suggest that the increased inflammation in the liver is the cause of the increased fibrosis. Presumably they think that the immune cells in the liver are signaling to stellate cells to produce this effect. Is this the scenario the Authors propose. If so, it should be made more explicit and corroborated by histologic staining of hepatic fibrosis.
7) It would be of interest to know the extent of inflammation in the kidneys with APN-KO, beyond Mac2 staining (Figure 3D).
8) In the results in the ΔGly mice, is the enhanced lifespan statistically significant. Unless we are misreading it, the p value suggests it is not. Also, why have only study chow fed mice and not HFD mice in the transgenics, as they did in KOs?
9) ITTs are shown in Figure 4G, but the basal glucose values are different between the 2 groups. Can the Authors also present the data normalized to the basal value to determine whether the kinetics of the curve are different?
10) The resulting changes in tissue fibrosis are clearly important when thinking about healthy tissue function. It would help if the authors could show histologic staining for collagen deposition in the various tissues, particularly liver and kidney. Although it might be asking for too much if the they don't already have this information, it would also be useful to know which cell types within the various tissues are responsible for the changes in inflammatory markers and collagen related genes. This could also be discussed.
11) From an aesthetic point of view there is a certain lack symmetry in this paper, since some of the measurements made in the KOs are not performed in the transgenics and HFD was not utilized in the transgenics either.
12) Much of the data could be predicted from studies by them or the other investigators in the field (Nature Med. 8, 731 (2002), J. Biol. Chem. 277, 25863 (2002), J. Biol. Chem. 277, 34658 (2002), J. Biol. Chem. 278, 2461 (2003), Endocrinology 145, 367 (2004), J. Biol. Chem. 281, 2654 (2006), Am. J. Physiol. Endocrinol. Metab. 293, 210 (2007), J. Clin. Invest. 118, 1645 (2008) . IT would be helpful if authors could provide insights into the life-promoting mechanism by adiponectin that has not been clarified so far.
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In this manuscript, Olive and colleagues used a genetic screen to identify Complex I (CI) of the electron transport chain (ETC) as a regulator of IFNg-mediated gene expression in macrophages. They attribute this role of CI to effects on the activity of the JAK-STAT pathway downstream of the IFNg receptor.
While a potential link between CI activity and the activity of the JAK-STAT pathway would be interesting, the reviewers think that additional analyses are needed to substantiate this claim and rule out alternative interpretations.
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1) Lines 204-205: The authors find that sgRNAs targeting other complexes of the ETC, including CIII and CIV, had no effect on the ability of IFNg to stimulate expression of cell surface markers. How do the authors interpret these findings, since CI does not work in isolation in the ETC and is rather dependent on CIII and CIV activity?
2) How does IFNg stimulation affect oxidative metabolism as assessed by Seahorse? In order to corroborate the authors' conclusions regarding activity of individual ETC complexes (point 1 above), Seahorse analysis of individual complexes is also advised.
3) The authors do some limited analyses in human MDMs to suggest that their findings in the mouse macrophage cell line can be generalized to other macrophage populations. It would be great if the analyses in the human MDMs could be extended to further strengthen the generality of their central findings.
4) Fig 6D: Not clear whether similar exposures were used in different panels. Would be better to load samples in the same gel so that the same exposure can be used and a direct comparison between conditions can be made.
5) Fig 6D: Does acute treatment with rotenone (but not inhibitors of other ETC complexes) have similar effects in reducing JAK-STAT signaling as knockdown of CI subunits? If not, then stable, long-term knockdown of CI subunits may have some effect independent of respiration in influencing JAK-STAT signaling (for example, on expression of some component of the JAK-STAT pathway). This interpretation could also explain why knockdown of other components of the ETC do not have similar effects to CI. Rotenone treatment could be tried (and compared with inhibitors of other ETC complexes), and if the data are different from knockdown of CI subunits, then related data in the study could be re-interpreted and conclusions modified.
6) In Fig. 3H a key control is missing. What about survival of the cells when the import of the only energy substrate is blocked?
7) The authors could consider placing their findings in the context of the broader literature. (As just one example, Ivashkiv Nat Imm 2015 described a role for mTORC1 and metabolism in IFNg-mediated transcriptional and translational regulation in macrophages.) This would increase the impact of their findings.
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In this study, Olive and colleagues used a genetic screen to identify new regulators underpinning the ability of the cytokine IFNg to upregulate MHC class II molecules, of relevance to our understanding of how macrophages are activated by IFNg to confer host defense during microbial infection. They identified the signaling protein GSK3b, and MED16, a subunit of the Mediator complex previously implicated in gene induction.
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1) Experimental treatment with IFNg may not be physiological. In key experiments, authors should try co-culture with activated NK cells +/- IFNg neutralization. A dose and time response curve of IFNg treatment may be valuable in key experiments.
2) Comparison to cells not stimulated with IFNg is needed in key experiments. Comparison to WT cells is needed in Fig 5A,B.
3) Stimulation with Type I IFN and other PAMPs in key experiments, as comparison to the effects of IFNg and to broaden the relevance of their findings.
4) More insight into how IFNg signaling interfaces with GSK3 and MED16 is needed (e.g. role of mTORC1 pathway in regulating GSK3).
5) Can the authors extend their data to an in vivo setting?
6) Can the authors clarify the relative roles of GSK3a and GSK3b? For example, how do the authors explain the lack of a robust phenotype in Fig 3B-F?
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In the paper, the authors used metabolomics to identify Valine and TDCA as metabolites depleted in diet-induced obesity (DIO) and replenished after sleeve gastrectomies (SGx) in mice. Intraperioneal injection of these two metabolites mimics many of the benefits of SGx, including weight loss, reduced adipose stores and insulin sensitivity. These benefits are related to Val/TDCA's ability to reduce food intake without altering locomotor activity, leading to a negative energy balance. Val/TDCA injection eliminated the fasting-associated rise in hypothalamic MCH expression in obese mice, and central injections of recombinant MCH blunted weight loss induced by Val/TDCA. Overall, this paper reports interesting and surprising observations related to the impact of metabolomic disturbances in obesity, and suggests a role for Val and/or TDCA in regulating food intake through MCH.
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1) It is unclear from the data whether the effects are derived from valine, TDCA, or both. Both reviewers felt that any reader would want to see experiments where either of these metabolites is injected alone.
2) No quantitative metabolite concentration values are provided anywhere, making it difficult to evaluate the robustness of the data. How much do the levels of TDCA and valine change with SGx in mice and humans, and what levels are achieved with the injections of these metabolites in the mice?
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The reviewers agree that this is an interesting and useful contribution for understanding LQ extinctions, and that it is generally well-presented. It shows that the factors that increase extinction risk are de-coupled from the factors that eventually lead to extinction and thus in its timing. However, the reviewers also note that although the modelling approach is novel, it is reliant on datasets that are biased and at times these biases are not well-accounted for. Because much of the conclusions drawn from the modelling could already be drawn from existing records and using literature that is glossed over here, attention to that literature should be improved and the contributions beyond the megafauna debate should be emphasized. Furthermore, the authors should take care to improve clarity in the framing of the models, the presentation and interpretation of results, figures, and discussion.
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1) ADDITIONAL ANALYSES (no additional data collection). The reviewers had specific concerns about the effects of sampling on the extinction chronology and the influence of body mass on a number of things (recovery potential, life history/demographic correlates, etc). Specifically, the analytical issues that present the biggest problems revolve around sampling uncertainty and body mass correlation. The former could be addressed by introducing some sensitivity tests. These could be directed towards chronological biases (how does removing one date affect the confidence intervals?), as well as geographical sampling biases (how does removing a region affect the trends?). The latter in particular would be important in the claims of a continental trend. It is also possible that biases are a function of taxon sampling. There are an increasing number of small mammal Pleistocene extinctions being recognized in Australia, and it is unclear if these follow the same trends as the megafauna. If so, that would indeed remove the body size issues.
2) BETTER FRAMING OF THE FIVE PUTATIVE DRIVERS OF EXTINCTIONS:
(i) appears to assume that only human hunting will differentially affect demographically sensitive species. However, novel or extreme climate change can also affect such species (e.g. Selwood, K.E., McGeoch, M.A. and Mac Nally, R., 2015. The effects of climate change and land‐use change on demographic rates and population viability. Biological Reviews, 90(3), pp.837-853.)
(ii) this mechanism is predicated on using a modelling result [ref. 25] as data. It also makes the bold claim that species inhabiting certain habitats are less accessible to human hunters without any consideration of the archaeological or modern record on this point (e.g. Roberts, P., Hunt, C., Arroyo-Kalin, M., Evans, D. and Boivin, N., 2017. The deep human prehistory of global tropical forests and its relevance for modern conservation. Nature Plants, 3(8), pp.1-9; Fa, J.E. and Brown, D., 2009. Impacts of hunting on mammals in African tropical moist forests: a review and synthesis. Mammal Review, 39(4), pp.231-264).
(iv) many of the supporting references here do not seem like logical choices for this argument. E.g. [28] refers to coral-reef fishes. Moreover, this hypothesis conflicts with much modern data showing that extinction risk and body size are correlated under climate and environmental change (e.g. Cardillo, M., Mace, G.M., Jones, K.E., Bielby, J., Bininda-Emonds, O.R., Sechrest, W., Orme, C.D.L. and Purvis, A., 2005. Multiple causes of high extinction risk in large mammal species. Science, 309(5738), pp.1239-1241. Liow, L.H., Fortelius, M., Bingham, E., Lintulaakso, K., Mannila, H., Flynn, L. and Stenseth, N.C., 2008. Higher origination and extinction rates in larger mammals. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 105(16), pp.6097-6102. Tomiya, S., 2013. Body size and extinction risk in terrestrial mammals above the species level. The American Naturalist, 182(6), pp.E196-E214.)
3) MORE NUANCED INTERPRETATION OF MODEL OUTPUT.
The major weakness in this manuscript is in the discussion. The authors should be very clear in their discussion that their model does not indicate that demographic factors had no part in extinct events per se, but rather that they don't explain extinction chronology. Extinction chronologies reflect a number of different factors and processes, but they don't take away from the fact that certain life history traits can make a species more likely to go extinct from those factors.
The authors seem to argue that demographics don't explain the megafaunal extinction in the Sahul, but in fact, their results suggest that they do; the only thing demographics by themselves don't explain is the chronology. Extinction risk as determined by demographic susceptibility is highly related to body mass and generation time (which in turn is also affected by body mass) but differential survival (timing of extinction) is determined by factors such as geographic range size, dispersal ability, access to refugia, and behavioral and morphological adaptations against hunting, and the ability to survive catastrophic events. A reiteration of this point would be beneficial to the clarity of this otherwise well written manuscript.
The authors clearly (and elegantly) show that extinct species, which were all large, and had long generation times, had demographic traits that made them more susceptible to extinction. This is evident in figures 3 and 4. However, in the discussion, in lines 301-303, they state that no demographic trends explain the extinction. This is not supported by the results. While the timing of when species go extinct doesn't correlate with demographic susceptibility, the peculiar nature of the extinction-a large size biased extinction-is explained by demographic factors, and is a phenomenon that has been explored in a global analysis by Lyons et al. 2016 Biol. Lett. Therefore, demographic trends DO explain why certain species go extinct, while others survive. The authors should be careful when they say that "that no obvious demographic trends can explain the great Sahul mass extinction event"; instead, they should re-iterate that no obvious demographic trend explains the extinction chronology.
4) MORE CAREFUL DISCUSSION OF RESULTS RELATIVE TO LITERATURE. The authors further go on to suggest that their results suggest that the extinctions were random, but the size-selectivity clearly shows that the extinctions were in fact not random with respect to body size.Their analyses do show that the rate of extinction doesn't exceed background to the same degree that it's been suggested in prior studies, and this is something that researchers need to explore further. Also, the authors raise an important point in lines 309-311 that human hunting could have interacted with demographic susceptibility, something that Lyons et al. 2016 Biol. Lett. show, and the results of the present study should be discussed in light of the 2016 paper.
They also raise an important point in lines 312-320 that behavioral or morphological adaptations may have allowed some seemingly "high risk" species to persist despite anthropogenic pressure. These model "mis-matches" have been reported by Alroy 2001 Science as well in a multispecies overkill simulation. It would be beneficial to discuss the present results within the context of other examples of model mismatches, such as those from Alroy 2001.
In lines 353-358, the authors once again state that their results show no clear relationship between body-mass and demographic disadvantage, despite clearly showing these relationships in Figures 3 and 4, and even stating as much in the beginning of the discussion. The plots clearly show that large bodied taxa were at a demographic disadvantage. There is a difference between explaining why certain taxa go extinct vs. why they go extinct at a certain point in time, and this should be made clear. The authors are correct in stating that demographic factors don't explain the relative extinction chronology, i.e. when species go extinction relative to each other, but they do explain why large species go extinct, and why these extinctions take place after human arrival. Moreover, generation length, which is also correlated with demographic susceptibility, is highly correlated with body mass (Brook and Bowman 2005 Pop. Ecol), once again showing that body mass-related effects do help explain the extinctions.
The authors rightfully point out earlier in the discussion that spatial variation, local climates, ecological interactions, etc. all influence how and why a particular population disappears. Extinction chronologies reflect a number of different factors and processes, but they don't take away from the fact that certain life history traits can make a species more likely to go extinct from those factors. Large proboscideans like mammoths had a high risk of extinction based on life history traits, but managed to survive on island refugia into the mid-Holocene. Similar other examples exist, and show that extinction chronologies can vary vastly.
Therefore, the lack of correlation can be explained by these factors, and the authors need to expand on these in their discussion, perhaps if possible, by giving specific examples. They should be more careful in their discussion by clearly distinguishing drivers of extinction risk, and how these drivers can be de-coupled from timing, but at the same time providing a good explanation for the biological factors leading to the extinction. Here again the authors should consider the work of Brook and Bowman and Lyons et al.
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This manuscript describes a detailed investigation of the sigma-1 receptor, with an emphasis on the effects of membrane cholesterol content. The authors report that sigma-1 receptor clusters in cholesterol-rich microdomains in the endoplasmic reticulum (ER), contributing to its previously-described localization at mitochondria-associated ER membranes. A series of reconstitution experiments show cholesterol-dependent clustering of the sigma-1 receptor, an effect which is modulated by membrane thickness and drug-like ligands of the receptor. These findings are supplemented by an investigation of the effects of sigma-1 receptor on IRE1a signaling, leading to the finding that sigma-1 knockout attenuates IRE1a function.
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The reviewers agreed that the manuscript was likely to be of broad interest and addresses important biological questions surrounding the poorly understood sigma-1 receptor. However, concerns were raised regarding a number of points that need to be addressed in order for the manuscript to be suitable for publication. Specifically:
Most of the imaging experiments throughout the manuscript are interpreted only qualitatively, and many of these show relatively minor differences. See "MINOR POINTS" below for a list of specific examples. Objective quantitative analysis should be provided wherever possible. Any subjective assessments should be conducted using blinding to avoid introduction of bias.
The connection between the biological effects on IRE1a activation and cholesterol-dependent clustering is relatively indirect. The reviewers agree that additional experimental data should be provided to further assess the validity of the authors' proposed model. For example, inclusion of rescue experiments in sigma-1 knockout cells using the cholesterol-binding mutants would help to strengthen the connection between IRE1a function and membrane cholesterol content. Similarly, disruption of cholesterol-rich domains by addition of beta-cyclodextrin could provide additional evidence to support the model. In addition, testing the effects of ligands in the cellular imaging experiments would strengthen the link between in vitro biophysical experiments and cellular physiology.
A related issue is that cholesterol binding is not tested explicitly for certain sigma-1 receptor mutants, potentially confounding interpretation of experimental data. These include experiments where alterations were made to the S1R sequence, with results interpreted in light of S1R no longer being able to bind cholesterol. Two specific places where this issue arises are:
1) Studies described on pages 6-7 and shown in Figure 3B where wild-type sigma-1 receptor is compared to S1R-Y201S/Y206S, S1R-Y173S, S1R-4G, and S1R-W9L/W11L. These mutations had differential effects on receptor distribution that were attributed to alterations in cholesterol binding without confirming the changes in cholesterol binding. This is particularly relevant for the explanation given for why S1R-W9L/W11L fails to cluster in both cells and the cholesterol supplemented GUV system, while the S1R-4G mutant exhibited cholesterol-induced clustering in the GUV system but not in cells (page 7, lines 27-31).
2) Another example is the membrane thickness experiment described at the top of page 8 and shown in Figure 4A. Shortening the S1R by deletion of 4 aa in the TM region produced a sigma-1 receptor that exhibited a more diffuse distribution when expressed in HEK293 cells. The authors appear to be attributing this only to the decreased length of the sigma-1 receptor transmembrane domain. However, it seems feasible (based on their other data) that if this construct fails to bind cholesterol, the same result would be observed. Confirming that the truncated sigma-1 receptor does in fact bind cholesterol would strengthen the argument being made here.
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Your work analyzes the impact of the INPP5E inositol lipid-5 phosphatase on immune synapse formation and function. INPP5E is a cilium enriched protein. Although T cells do not display primary cilia, previous work by several laboratories showed that several ciliary proteins are involved in immunological synapse formation and in T cell activation and your work intends to further this view. Although the work has potential for publication in eLife, it requires essential additional data to support the central claims of the paper. Each reviewer raised substantive concerns (see below) that need to be resolved experimentally. For instance, experiments involving knockout in primary T cells will need to be performed. A better time series will also help deciding in what process the INPP5E protein is involved in. Moreover, imaging data should be quantified more precisely to assess spatial and dynamic differences.
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An important aspect of mature synapse formation is signal termination and ... effector responses, such as secretion of cytokines, exosomes and CD40L on synaptic ectosomes (Huse et al, 2006; Mittelbrunn et al, 2011). The demonstration of ESRCT function in both TCR signal termination and CD40L release to B cells on synaptic ectosomes likely involves inositol lipids that lack phosphorylation on the 5' position.
It might make sense for the author to investigate a synapse effector function like degranulation of CD8 or CD40L transfer of synaptic ectosome in CD4 T cells as these effector functions actually link into synapse formation more directly than bulk IL-2 secretion.
The ESCRT machinery is also highly entwined with ciliary biology and several ESCRT components important for signal termination and effector function will also require PIP metabolism.
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Interesting similarities between the primary cilium and the immunological synapse have been noted and investigated extensively over the last few years. In this context and beyond, the role of phosphatidylinositol lipids in the organisation of the immunological synapse and T cell function has been extensively investigated. Here Chiu et al. add to these topics by investigating INPP5E, a primary cilium-associated 5' phosphatidylinositol lipid phosphatase that can use PIP3, PI(4,5P)P2 and PI(3,5)P2 as substrates, in T cell activation. The authors show that INPP5E is recruited to the interface of a T cell with an activating antigen presenting cell. INPP5E binds to TCRzeta, ZAP-70 and Lck. INPP5E knockdown reduces TCR recruitment to the T cell/APC interface, clearance of PI(4,5)P2 from the centre of the interface, and TCR and ZAP-70 phosphorylation. These findings are consistent with the large body of existing work on the role of phosphatidylinositol lipids in the organisation of the immunological synapse and T cell function and, therefore, don't constitute a conceptual advance. Nor do they provide new mechanistic insight into phosphatidylinositol lipids in T cell activation. The data add another molecule to the existing body of work.
In the first two figures Chiu et al. show that a number of cilium-associated proteins, including INPP5E are recruited to the interface of a Jurkat cells with a Raji B cell presenting superantigen. Such recruitment is not surprising. On the contrary, because of the reorientation of the MTOC to the centre of the cellular interface and the accompanying shift of the nucleus to the back of the T cell to create more cytoplasmic space at the interface, most proteins associated with vesicular trafficking shift their subcellular distribution towards the interface. Only data showing spatial or temporal distinctions in such recruitment within the small cytoplasmic space underlying the T cell/APC interface could provide interesting new insight. Reduced detection of INPP5E interface recruitment after INPP5E knockdown could be trivially caused by the worse signal to staining background noise ratio (Fig. 2A-E). The STORM data showing that INPP5E interface recruitment occurs in the T cell not the APC are welcome. However, spatial and temporal features provided by the higher resolution of these experiments are not explored.
In the investigation of the contribution of different INPP5E domains to its interface recruitment the representative imaging data in Fig. 3A suggest that substantial quantitative differences exist. The '% conjugate with recruitment' metric doesn't capture such differences. Some form of a recruitment index as used in other parts of the manuscript would be more powerful. A more complex picture of INPP5E domain contributions to INPP5E interface recruitment is likely to emerge.
The immunological synapse is a highly dynamic structure. TCR interface recruitment and PI(4,5)P2 clearance in response to various manipulations of PI turnover are only analysed at a single time point. A dynamic picture should provide more insight. For example, interface recruitment of the TCR may be consistently impaired, delayed or shifted in time. Reduced interface recruitment of the TCR upon overexpression of PIP5Kgamma (Fig. 5D, E) has already been described in the cited Sun et al. reference. This should be acknowledged.
In Fig. 6E, the authors show a small reduction in IL-2 secretion in Jurkat cells stimulated with anti-CD3/CD28 upon knockdown of INPP5E. As INPP5E is expected to exert its functional effects through the control of the spatiotemporal organisation of the immunological synapse, activation of Jurkat cells with APCs would be more appropriate.
The knockdown efficiency of INPP5E should be quantified.
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The work is fully performed in Jurkat cells, which a very good and widely used model to investigate T cell activation, yet, not perfect. Actually, in the case of events related with phosphoinositide function, Jurkat cells present a strong caveat. These cells lack the Phosphoinositide phosphatase PTEN, therefore having altered phosphoinositide turnover.
Therefore, as a first critical point, the authors should confirm most of the central data of this work in primary T cells. They should also discuss this point, since it might bias some of their data.
Additional points needing attention are detailed below.
1) Regarding data in Fig 1D, the authors say the they find INPP5E localized with the centriole in the absence of SEB stimulation. The pattern shown is in the picture is very diffuse and blurry, not showing at all a centriole pattern.
It seems to be more visible in Fig S1. The authors should replace Fig1D panel by a better "quality" picture if they wish to convey that message.
2) What do the authors mean with "number of events" in the figures ? Please explain or replace by another term or means of quantification. If it means counting conjugates with INPP5E recruited "by visual observation", it would be much more appropriated to quantify fluorescence enrichment at the synapse making a ratio.
It is also bizarre to plot "pairs" which are all at 100%. What does that mean?
3) In Fig 2 D, E the authors observe by TIRF the presence of INPP5E at the planar pseudosynapse. They do in parallel TCRz. It would be interesting to better take advantage of that type of microscopy images to also quantify the impact of INPP5E on TCRz recruitment and to assess co-localization between INPP5E and TCRz using Pearse corelation on images with a very good resolution. From that image they look like they do not co-localize at all.
4) The reasoning of the authors in Fig 2 H is somehow strange: "Since the distribution of INPP5E signals mostly appear at the T cell-APC contact site, it was necessary to examine whether INPP5E belonged to T or B cells" Although they use dSTORM the resolution of the image is not single molecule as they claim, but relatively large clusters. Moreover, they say that INPP5E is inside the T cell while TCRz is at the plasma membrane. In that image there are spots labelled far on the B cell. Moreover, it has been shown by several authors that TCRz largely occupies intracellular vesicular compartments. So the conclusion is not accurate. Finally, they claim that the overlap in some regions is suggestive possible interactions. The overlap is really minimal and in zones of clustering. So the comment is far from accurate. A proper colocalization analysis in TIRF_dSTORM images of INPP5E and TCRz quantified by Pearson correlation would be much more appropriate and accurate.
By the way, the authors could use panel F of T cells transfected with Flag-INPP5E that relocalizes to the synapse to say that INPP5E in T cells relocalizes to the synapse.
5) Fig 4A: The strongest interactor with INPP5E seems to be Lck, rather than TCRz. It would be interesting to also assess the effect of INPP5E silencing on Lck recruitment at the synapse.
Is there a mistake in labeling IP in horizontal and IP in vertical. I guess one of them should be IB (immunoblotted / Western blot). Please clarify and correct if necessary. Same in B, there is labelled IP-Flag everywhere, is one of them input? Please clarify/correct if mistaken.
The term INPP5E "interacted" with TCRz, ZAP and Lck in the text (line 168-169) is not fully correct here, since these molecules make complexes during TCR activation. The term "co-immunoprecipitated" would be more accurate here.
Fig 4D Not clear here why the authors use cells transfected with TCRz-GFP while to conclude that INPP5E is required for exogenous CD3z clustering, they could just stain for endogenous TCR.
Fig 6B: If the authors normalized the pProtein band density with respect to the total same protein, the Y axis should be expressed as band density ratio rather than "optical intensity (a.u.)"
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In this manuscript, the authors have generated a new mouse model for the severe disease, Ataxia Telangiectasia (A-T). They introduce null mutations in Atm onto the background of mice that are somewhat sensitized since they also harbor mutations in the Aptx gene. The outcome is the mice show a set of phenotypes that are strikingly similar to symptoms seen in human patients. These include cerebellar degeneration, cancer, and immune system abnormalities. The also deliver small molecule readthrough (SMRT) compounds into tissue explants and show that such a manipulation can restore the production of ATM protein. The success in producing an Atm model with cerebellar degeneration is a compelling advance as this particular phenotype has been incredibly difficult to reproduce in animal models. The authors perform an interesting set of analyses to confirm that the other important features of the disease are also present in their mice. This paper has broad interest to multiple fields including neuroscience, cancer, and immunology.
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1) It is not clear how progressive the cerebellar degeneration is. What is the spatiotemporal pattern of degeneration? Please consider the lobule by lobule effects over time.
2) For the electrophysiology, what stage cells have you recorded from? That is, what was the structure of the Purkinje cells that you recorded? If the cells look really "normal" but fire abnormally, then please comment on how they are being affected. If the morphology is abnormal, then please explain what defects you see and how they might impact function. Essentially, the authors need to disentangle cell autonomous effects and non-cell autonomous effects with more clarity. That is, are you studying the "dying" cells or the cells that that escaped the genetic defect?
3) Are both the Atm and the Aptx genes expressed in all (or the same) Purkinje cells? What is the experimental evidence?
4) Please provide more context and rationale for Aptx in the abstract. As it stands, its mention comes out of nowhere.
5) In the Introduction, please provide more information as to why previous studies/models might have failed to produce severe Atm-related cerebellar phenotypes.
6) In the Introduction, the rationale for the choice of paring the Atm mutations with defects in the Aptx gene is unclear. Are they in the same pathway? Are the genes located in close proximity to one another? There are many issues that need to be discussed.
Related to above, ATM and APTX, while involved in DDR, are involved in parallel pathways-ATM in DNA double stranded break repair, and APTX in single stranded break repair. Homozygous mutations in APTX causes human ataxia (AOA1), but there is nothing to indicate an intersection mechanistically between AT and AOA1. One could just as well call the AT-APTX double mutation a model of AOA1. As indicated above, please expand on the rationale of the experimental design.
Also, are there more single stranded DNA breaks? Double stranded DNA breaks? Is there a sequestration of SS DNA break repair components including PARP1? How are the changes in PC firing related to DDR (it would be worthwhile for the authors to examine the following papers Hoch et al. Nature. 2017 Jan 5;541(7635):87-91, Stoyas et al. Neuron 2020 Feb 19;105(4):630-644) to give insight into studies that can explore mechanism for DDR and changes in cerebellar morphology/function.
Therefore, the authors need to address whether single vs double stranded break repair is present and the authors could do a better job of linking the change in PC firing to DNA damage.
7) Figure 2B: Apologies if I am missing something, but I do not understand the reason or explanation for what determines the probability of survival for the green, gold, and orange traces (the three severe cases in the graph). That is, why is the gold so strong?
8) How come rotarod was not used as a test? This is a standard motor behavior test that is useful for comparing across animal models and studies.
9) Related to above, why not use in vivo recordings? I can understand using slice recordings to tackle the biophysical and intrinsic mechanisms, although the authors did not do that. It seems to me that extracellular recordings would have been more informative in the in vivo, awake context.
10) The authors picked specific regions of the cerebellum to target their slice recordings, which is perfectly reasonable. But why did you pick these regions? Please provide a full justification and discussion for the importance of these particular lobules in relation to what you are trying to solve.
11) Given the use of slice recordings and that Purkinje cell degeneration is a key aspect of the phenotype, it would be very compelling if the authors showed some filled cells. As it stands, it is very hard to appreciate what the severity of neuropathology actually looks like, especially in relation to what the functional defects are teaching us.
12) The authors state that "The largest differences were detected in the anterior [38.6{plus minus}3.4 Hz (n=187) vs. 88.1{plus minus}1.8 Hz (n=222)] and posterior [46.9{plus minus}1.9 Hz (n=175) vs. 84.1{plus minus}2.4 Hz (n=219)] medial cerebellum [1-way ANOVA, p<0.0001; Fig. 4B]." Okay, but what does this mean? What is your interpretation for why these regions were more heavily impacted (cell sensitivity based on circuit architecture, gene expression and protein make-up, neuronal lineage?) and how might it impact the phenotype?
13) The authors state and reference "Previous studies in mouse models of heritable ataxia indicate that physiological disruption in PN firing not only includes changes in frequency but also affects its regularity (Cook, Fields, and Watt 2020)." I agree with having this reference, but what about other models of ataxia? There are a number of other excellent models that should be discussed.
14) Purkinje cell firing data (figure 4B) should not be averaged across all of the ages, as this is not standard practice, and would be akin to averaging all behavior across ages. I think the data in fig. 4C suffices. If you want to compare across lobules on one graph, simply choose a particular age (perhaps when behavioral changes are first observed?) or at the oldest age.
15) Why examine Purkinje cell firing deficits in different lobules but not make that distinction for Purkinje cell loss? The Purkinje cell loss analysis focussed on the areas with most pronounced firing deficits but this means that we don't know whether the cells that fire abnormally are the only ones that die. Also see point #2 above.
16) Figure 4E and related text: Please provide a much more extensive set of images to show the cerebellar pathology. 1) Please show views of the different lobules to demonstrate the pattern of degeneration. 2) Please show different ages to show the progression of degeneration. 3) Please show higher power images of the Purkinje cells to clearly demonstrate their morphology.
17) The authors need to need provide more data for what is actually happening in relation to cell death. Why not perform Tunel or caspase staining etc.? The authors must show that there are actually acellular gaps where cells have died, or some other indication that cell death has occurred or is occurring.
18) Also in relation to the Purkinje cell degeneration, what do the dendrites look like? What about the axons? Do you see any torpedoes or axonal regression?
19) In regards to the cerebellar degeneration, what happens to the other cell types in the cerebellar cortex? Are they intact? What about the cerebellar nuclei?
20) The authors state "Of interest, APTX deficiency by itself had the greatest effect on the loss of DN4 cells...". Okay, but it is hard to see what this means for A-T as a disease. Interesting as it is, what is the relevance of this gene and these findings to the actual disease?
21) Please provide a more extensive description and rationale for why this explant system was chosen.
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This study addresses an important topic of broad ecological interest and provides important insights into the role of local-scale processes in shaping patterns of species diversity, aiming to (i) assess if there is a global latitudinal diversity gradient (using alpha diversity) of rocky shore organisms and its functional groups and, (ii) whether there are any large scale or local environmental predictors of richness patterns. The strength of this paper is the global coverage of studies analyzed, showing for the first time that rocky shore richness does not appear to peak in the tropics - in contrast to many other studies of marine and terrestrial systems. These outcomes are not specific for rocky intertidal systems, with an increasing number of studies showing that the search for global ecological patterns may be elusive. While sampling in the tropics and the polar regions is poor (acknowledged by the authors), this should be viewed as a call for further research in these regions - not as a weakness of the paper per se. There are also some reservations on how the analysis has been conducted, including the lack of standardization of sampling effort and other details (e.g., size of sampling units) to derive a comparable measure of diversity across sites.
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The latitudinal gradient of diversity has been studied and confirmed in many aquatic and terrestrial habitats and species across the globe. In the vast majority of cases, richness increases towards the tropics. Using an impressive global dataset of latitudinal diversity gradients in 433 rocky intertidal assemblages of algae and invertebrates from the Arctic to the Antarctic, Thyrring and Peck show that rocky shore ecosystems may not follow this general pattern. The authors show that there is no clear latitudinal gradient for rocky shore organisms using alpha diversity - as posited by prevailing theories - although some functional groups exhibit contrasting patterns. Diversity within functional groups of predators, grazers and filter-feeders decreased towards the poles, whereas the opposite was observed for macroalgae. Correlation with environmental drivers highlighted the importance of local-scale processes in driving spatial patterns of diversity in rocky intertidal assemblages. The paper is well written and the many of the analyses are well done, but there is the concern, which the authors acknowledge, that sampling within tropical latitudes is sparse and needs to be carefully considered when interpreting the results of this paper.
The work can be improved in the following manner:
1) The relevant data to standardize species richness may not be available from the primary literature. However, it should be possible to employ relevant standardization methods within the 5{degree sign} latitudinal bands in which the data have been aggregated. An analysis based on standardized data, at least for the more data-rich latitudinal bands, must be added.
2) Employ models that allow assessing unimodality, which is stated but untested. At the bare minimum, a quadratic relationship with latitude should be included in the GLMM. As implemented here, the GLMM employed to relate diversity to latitude can only detect linear trends, but not unimodal patterns and the mid-latitude peak suggested by LOESS for the northern hemisphere. To provide a formal test for unimodality, models with or without a quadratic term could be contrasted using standard model comparison procedures. Alternatively, GAM could be used to evaluate nonlinear effects.
3) Clarify whether p-values are relevant or not. As is, it is confusing. For example, the legend of Table 1 mentions p-values, but these are not reported. Materials and Methods indicate that 95% confidence intervals are used to take decisions on null hypotheses, suggesting that p-values are not used in the analysis (lines 436-439). Nevertheless, p-values are reported in Table 2.
4) Provide a rationale for distinguishing between canopy and other algal forms (the distinction is compelling, but it is not explained).
5) We like the conclusion on the importance of local-scale processes. This should be placed in the context of previous studies that have quantified patterns and processes at multiple scales reaching the same conclusion.
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This study combines high resolution imaging experiments with mechanical modeling to elucidate the energetics of flagellar propulsion and understand the role of internal dissipation in this system. The experiments use mouse sperm cells that are chemically tethered to a glass slip. For each cell, the flagellum shape is imaged over time and segmented into a mathematical curve. This data is analyzed based on a planar Kirckhoff rod model that includes hydrodynamic drag forces (based on resistive force theory), bending elasticity, and an unknown active moment density. An energy balance is written that also includes internal viscous dissipation generated inside the flagellum, with an ad hoc internal friction coefficient. By calculating the various terms in the energy balance based on the reconstructed filament shapes, the authors are able to estimate the active power density along the flagellum. This calculation leads to two unexpected findings: (1) the authors find that the active power density can be negative along some portions of the flagellum, meaning that along these portions the dynein motors act against the local deformation of the structure, and (2) the main origin of dissipation in the system comes from internal dissipation, which exceeds viscous dissipation in the fluid in magnitude.
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1) It is not completely clear from the manuscript what the configuration of the sperm is with respect to the glass slide where the head is tethered. What is the orientation of the cells with respect to the slide, and in which plane are the deformations measured? (from above or from the side?) We would expect that different configurations may lead to slightly different waveforms. In particular, we are surprised that the mean shapes shown in figure 2(a) have a net asymmetry which is observed in nearly all the cells: could this have to do with the relative configuration of the flagellum with respect to the surface?
2) The experiments are done with flagella very near a no-slip surface, since the cells are chemically adhered to the chamber boundary. Yet, the authors use resistive force theory for filaments in free space, without any reference to the nearby no-slip surface. As the rate of energy dissipation near the surface will be considerably larger than estimated by RFT, it is possible that some (or much, or perhaps all) of the additional dissipation found by the authors is actually within the fluid and simply not accounted for by RFT. Thus, all of the calculations must be redone with the appropriate Blake tensor for stokeslets near a no-slip wall before the results can be considered definitive. The paper must also more carefully illustrate and quantify the proximity of the flagella to the surface in order to make these calculations precise. Absent this analysis, the claims of the paper do not stand up to scrutiny.
A related point is the need to understand the effect of tethering the cell on its kinematics and energetics? In other words, do the conclusions still hold for freely swimming cells?
3) Is there any evidence of 3D dynamics? Some recent experiments with human sperm have suggested that sperm beats can take place in 3D (Gadelha et al., Science Advances 2020). As the model in the paper is 2D, this could also affect the energy balance.
4) The authors should examine the work of K.E. Machin ["The control and synchronization of flagellar movement", Proc. Roy. Soc. B 158, 88 (1963)], which provided the first theoretical formalism to study active moment generation within beating flagella based on examining the difference between known force contributions from viscous dissipation and elastic bending. It seems that this same kind of analysis could be done here to identify directly the non-viscous contribution, rather than having to postulate a particular form.
Stated another way: Why not try to estimate the active power density directly from the active moment density, which could be calculated from the moment balance of equation (4) where all the other terms are known? This would provide a direct estimate of the active power. The force balance could then be used to estimate the internal friction, which would then no longer rely on an assumed value for the internal friction coefficient. In fact, this could be used to obtain an estimate for that coefficient.
5) The paper addresses in detail the use of Chebyshev fitting methods for the filaments, but does not appear to address the physical boundary conditions one would expect on elastic objects (particularly at the free end), involving the vanishing of moments and forces. Unlike, for example, the biharmonic eigenfunctions of simple elastic filament dynamics which are tailored to those boundary conditions [see, e.g. Goldstein, Powers, Wiggins, PRL 80, 5232 (1998)], it is not clear how the Chebyshev functions satisfy those conditions. Some explanation is needed.
6) If indeed internal dissipation dominates, that would suggest that essentially all prior theoretical approaches to calculating sperm waveforms must be quantitatively in error by very large factors. It would be very appropriate for the authors to examine some of those theoretical works to determine if this is the case.
7) The authors note in the Discussion that the beating waveform changes dramatically in fluid with higher viscosity. Yet, if external dissipation plays such a small role how can this be rationalized?
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The manuscript from Perez-Garcia et al. follows up on a prior study by the same authors in which they identified the tumor suppressor BAP1 as a regulator of mouse placentation and trophoblast stem cells (TSCs) (Perez-Garcia et al., Nature, 2018). In their preceding work the authors showed that CRISPR-mediated knockout of BAP1 in TSCs results in upregulation of key stem cell markers Cdx2 and Esrrb and biased differentiation towards trophoblast giant cells at the expense of the syncytiotrophoblast lineage. Here the authors have expanded on these observations by demonstrating that BAP1 modulates the epithelial-to-mesenchymal transition (EMT) in TSCs and that a similar phenotype can be obtained by genetic deletion of Asxl1/2. Declining protein levels of BAP1 during differentiation of human TSCs into extravillous trophoblast suggest that the role of BAP1 may be conserved in humans. As the molecular mechanisms of trophoblast development, including EMT and invasive behaviors of trophoblast giant cells in the mouse and extravillous trophoblast cells in human are only beginning to be understood, this study provides an important advance.
This is a well-written and technically sound study that clarifies the role of BAP1 in trophoblast development. Overall, the work presented is very important to the fields of EMT and trophoblast stem cell biology, and it warrants publication in eLife in principle. However, the claims in the abstract, the model in Figure 5, and the conclusions in the discussion are not well-supported. Therefore, additional experimental work will be essential for the manuscript to become suitable for publication in eLife.
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1) There was consensus that the current manuscript lacks functional data to demonstrate conservation of BAP1/ASXL1/2 function in human TSCs. These are crucial claims in the abstract that are not supported, and some elements of these claims are necessary for the manuscript to have impact beyond the previous Nature 2018 publication. Currently, the studies in human TSCs are purely observational (Fig. 6D-E). The authors should employ genetic approaches to interrogate whether the functions of BAP1 in TSC self-renewal and differentiation are truly conserved between mouse and human.
2) The main takeaway from Figure 2 is that BAP1 is dispensable for mouse TSC maintenance and that BAP1 knockout results in increased expression of stem cell markers Cdx2 and Esrrb. Both of these findings were previously reported in the authors' 2018 paper (see Fig. 4b in the Nature paper). Therefore, the statement that "BAP1 deletion does not impair the stem cell gene regulatory network" is not surprising and the authors should state clearly that these experiments confirm their prior observations.
3) The overexpression data in Figure 4 is difficult to interpret. Vector transduced TSCs show a tight, epithelial morphology (Figure 3A), whereas the NT-sgRNA control cells look like they are undergoing EMT (Figure 4C). Why does the introduction of the NT-sgRNA induce EMT characteristics? Bap1 sgRNA1 cells seem less epithelial than the Vector transduced cells. Do NT-sgRNA TSCs have less BAP1 than Vector transduced TSCs?
4) Moreover, all the data in Figure 4 are based on a single sgRNA that could activate BAP1 expression. To exclude off target effects, the authors should confirm the effect of BAP1 overexpression using another sgRNA or cDNA overexpression system.
5) The authors need to examine the gene expression data more closely as well as the functional consequences of BAP1 overexpression on TSC proliferation and differentiation. In particular it would be important to compare the list of DEG in BAP1 KO and overexpression condition. Are they mirror-image or are there differences? For example, Zeb2 expression is strongly upregulated in BAP1 mutant line but not significantly altered in cells overexpressing BAP1. This should be discussed.
6) In the abstract, the authors state that BAP1 function during trophoblast development is dependent on its binding to Asxl1/2/3. However, the data presented in this manuscript do not address whether BAP1 and Asxl1/2/3 are indeed part of the same complex in TSCs. Furthermore, the fact that Asxl1/2 KO increases expression of syncytial genes (Fig. 5) does not provide direct evidence of functional synergy between these proteins and BAP1. This conclusion could be strengthened by demonstrating that Asxl1 and BAP1 indeed have a protein-protein interaction in TSCs and/or by deleting the BAP1 binding domain in Asxl1/2. It would also be instructive to examine whether the phenotype of BAP1 overexpression in TSCs (e.g. gain of epithelial features and reduced invasiveness) is dependent on Asxl1. This could be examined by overexpressing BAP1 in Asxl1-deficient TSCs.
7) In some cases, experiments are carried out to "confirm" and "corroborate" hypotheses rather than test them. For example, the similarity between the gene expression signature of Bap1 mutant murine TSCs is and Bap1 mutant melanocytes and mesothelial cells is shown and emphasized. One wonders how unique is this similarity? Is Bap1 expression modulation observed in other EMT processes during development or in cancer? This should be explored and discussed.
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The study isolates bacteria from diverse Antarctic samples which utilise DMSP as the sole carbon source. It initially focuses on a Gammaproteobacterium, Psychrobacter sp.D2, which the authors establish lacks a known DMSP lyase enzyme despite having DMSP lyase activity (this needs to be quantified). Through RNA-seq and bioinformatics, they identify the gene cluster responsible for this activity and identify a novel DMSP lyase somewhat related to DddD in that it involves CoA, but critically also ATP, which distinguishes it from the pack of other known Ddd enzymes. This enzyme is a ATP-dependent DMSP CoA synthase required for growth on DMSP and its transcription is upregulated by DMSP availability. The novel mechanism of this enzyme is proposed from a strong structural component to the study. The authors propose the downstream pathway for DMSP catabolism, which we find to be oversold and requiring gene mutagenesis to confirm, and to be preliminary in comparison with the authors' other findings. Finally, the study attempts to show how widespread the enzyme is in sequenced bacteria, confidently showing it to be functional in other related Gammaproteobacteria and some Firmicutes.
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1) Title: "a missing route", was it really missing? We would suggest a more precise title. Would be better to say "that releases DMS" or an alternative.
2) This is a Ddd enzyme by definition and should be named as such.
Line 27- We disagree with the use of a new gene prefix when there is a strong precedent for the use of Ddd for "DMSP-dependent DMS". If this enzyme is a DMSP lyase and is in bacteria then its naming should follow protocol and be called Ddd"X"-X-being a letter not currently utilised in known systems. Deviating from this convention causes confusion and is not appropriate. Furthermore, AcoD is already assigned in some bacteria to acetaldehyde dehydrogenase II.
3) As presented, the bioinformatics-based evidence regarding the broad distribution of this enzyme (as claimed e.g. in the Abstract, line 33) does not stand up. Currently as presented in the manuscript, especially Fig 6, we are led to believe the enzyme is more widespread than can be demonstrated based on the authors' evidence (i.e., the authors allow a very low threshold of sequence identity and claim function outside of the groups they have tested). Either more work is needed to show that claims of such a wide distribution are merited, or the authors should limit their claims to what can be substantiated by their work. Specifically, the authors cannot comment on the "functional" enzyme being widespread outside of the Gamma's and Firmicutes that were tested, let alone the importance of the role in DMSP cycling. Only three "AcoD" enzymes were ratified in this study, which are relatively closely related to each (Psychrobacter sp. D2 Sporosarcina sp. P33 and Psychrobacter sp. P11G5 that are > 77% identical to each other). As can be seen in Fig 6, these three proteins cluster together and are far removed from all the other sequences on the figure, for which we have no evidence of their function (i.e., nothing can realistically be said on Deltas, Actinos or Alphas or the MAGS). Just to be clear, these other proteins shown in clades above and below the functional "AcoDs" in fig 6 are only ~30% identical to ratified "AcoD". Furthermore, only strain D2 was shown to make DMS; none of the other strains were tested. Far more testing of the diverse enzymes and strains are needed to make these statements as this study only tests one strain and three of the closely related enzymes (defined on Fig 6). Additional specific comments on this issue:
Line 280. The sentence on MAGS and the environments containing them does not stand up for reasons summarised above. All MAGS shown on Fig 6 are not similar enough to "AcoD" to be termed as functional Ddd enzymes. More work has to be done on the strains and enzymes that are more divergent to true "AcoDs" before such a statement is supported. Please delete. Line 509-We agree with what the authors write about stringency. However, these parameters do not seem to have been utilised as stated here. Their stringency statement holds up for comparison between the D2 "AcoD" and two other tested "AcoD" enzymes and all those in the middle clade on Fig.6. But this is not the case for the proteins shown above and below this "AcoD" clade in Fig 6 which have at best around 30% identity to characterised enzymes. See below for examples. As the authors state in their methods, high-stringency methods are needed to exclude other acetyl-CoA synthetase family proteins. Thus, most of the genes shown on fig6 cannot be taken as having this Ddd activity.
"To further validate that these AcoD homologs" the authors examined the activity of two closely related enzymes from a group of nine homologs with > 65 % sequence identity (starting line 283, Figure 6). It is not surprising that these enzymes have the same activity. Homologs outside this group of nine (Figure 6) are far less related to the characterized AcoD (< 32 % seq. identity). Conservation of the phosphate-transferring His (His292) and an active site Trp (Trp391) does not seem to be strong evidence for functional conservation. The manuscript does not provide any additional evidence that these less related enzymes also degrade DMSP. Either more experimentation is necessary, or the paragraph on the "Distribution of the ATP DMSP lysis pathway in bacteria" must be revised.
For example: Psychrobacter AcoD (WP_068035783.1) is 31% identical to Bilophila sp. 4_1_30 (WP_009381183.1) in the below group of bacteria on Fig 6. Psychrobacter AcoD (WP_068035783.1) is 29% identical to Thermomicrobium roseum (WP_041435830.1) in the above group of bacteria on Fig 6. Line 283. This is not the case! The two sequences that were chosen to "validate" are far to close to the D2 "AcoD" than to MAGS and other potential "AcoDs" shown above and below the functional Ddd clade on Fig 6. This section design is weak and does not lend weight to the expansiveness of this family. More work on the more diverse enzymes and bacteria is needed to support the authors claims. Please delete or study the activity of the more diverse strains and their candidate "AcoDs". Fig. 6. This is a nicely presented figure that unfortunately slightly deceives the reader. The authors need to clearly show which strains they have shown to have Ddd activity (currently one as I understand it) and which enzymes they have shown to have the appropriate activity (currently three closely related enzymes as I understand it). If I am not wrong these are all confined to the middle clade of Gammas and Firmicutes. These stand clearly apart form the other strains (above and below) which have not been studied and which are only ~ 30% Identical to "AcoD" at the protein level. This is not clear on the figure and definitely misleads in the abstract and throughout the manuscript.
4) We expect to see kinetics done on the new enzyme in line with what the authors have done in other related studies on Ddd and Dmd enzymes.
This is important to place the work in context with previously identified Ddd and Dmd enzymes, many of which have been analysed by these authors in previous publications. The characterization of the AcoD activity remains entirely qualitative. The authors only provide relative activities measured at a single substrate concentration. This data does not support the following statement: "Mutations of these two residues significantly decreased the enzymatic activities of AcoD, suggesting that these residues play important roles in stabilizing the DMSP-CoA intermediate" (l.223-225).
5) The manuscript does provide unambiguous evidence for the activity of AcoD and its function during growth on DMSP. On the other hand, the description of the "ATP DMSP lysis pathway" is less clear.
Transcriptomics analysis (Figure 2C) suggest that growth on DMSP upregulate the genes 1696 (BCCT), 1697 (AcoD), 1698 and 1699. The function of the third and fourth protein remain unclear (line 253). Instead, a reductase (AcuI) encoded somewhere else on the same genome was shown to transform the acryloyl-CoA to propionate-CoA. What was the transcription profile of acuI acuH in the RNA-seq? were they induced by growth on DMSP? Is the 1696-1697-1698-1699 gene cluster conserved? What is the function of 1698 and 1699? These questions are only relevant if the authors plan to maintain the claim of having identified a new pathway. This pathway prediction component is very weak and could be supplemented by KO mutagenesis of the dddCB and acuI. Without such work this is speculation and needs to be written as such.
6) Appropriate controls, units and quantification should be used:
Line 102- Please give a normalised value for the level of DMS produced from DMSP per time and protein/cells.
Figure 2. A. One would expect to see a growth curve of D2 on DMSP compared to acrylate, a conventional carbon source (e.g. pyruvate, glycerol or succinate) and a no carbon control. As "AcoD" is predicted to ligate CoA to DMSP it would be good to know if the strain grows on acrylate. It might be predicted to have different properties to e.g. Halomonas which does grow on acrylate. At least a no carbon and conventional carbon source should definitely be included.
B. The units for this figure are not appropriate. It would be more appropriate to show the actual amount of DMS that is produced by the strain, ideally normalised to protein, cells or absorbance and time. Detail in the figure what the control is.
C. Would like to see error bars on this figure. Also would have been sensible to colour code these to match panel D.
Figure 3. B and C. as with Figure 2 we need to see levels of DMS normalised to cells/protein and time.
Line 374 - No controls. Please include these as detailed above. No carbon, conventional carbon source, acrylate?
Quantitative data supporting Supplementary Fig. 12 would be helpful. After all this route would have to explain that the bacteria can use acrylate CoA as sole carbon source (or at least alternatives would have to be discussed). Is the identified activity sufficient for this task?
Line 388 - This method is/should be quantitative. It is standard practice to report DMS production normalised to time and cells/protein. Here we are only given peak area.
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The exact relationship between G6PD deficiency and malaria protection remains uncertain. This study provides evidence that the G6PD Med mutation (563 C>T) protects against clinical Plasmodium vivax disease. It uses a Bayesian statistical approach which specifically elucidates the particular protection which female heterozygotes versus male hemizygotes (or female homozygotes) for the Med mutation may experience. This is an important contribution to our understanding of the relationship between G6PD deficiency and P. vivax.
Overall, the reviewers were positive about the work and its potential, but have some clear concerns that will require additional data, analyses, and interpretation. Below are the main points raised by the reviewers that would need to be addressed to for a revised manuscript.
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1) The presence of mixed infections: although the work is focused on P. vivax, the majority (95%) of malaria in Afghanistan is caused by P. falciparum that means mixed species infections are likely high and P. falciparum infections may be obscuring P. vivax infections. It is not clear to what extent G6PD deficiency may impact the chance of being coinfected with both falciparum and vivax. Ideally, PCR verification of these samples would be performed to confirm the species for samples included in the analysis. Without this molecular data, the overall assessments of susceptibility to vivax malaria in association with G6PD Med is incomplete.
2) The analysis relies on a number of assumptions made about Pashtun population genetics (e.g. is it reasonable to assume the same frequency of the relevant mutation throughout all the tribes in the study, and should this be at Hardy Weinberg equilibrium?) and it is not clear to what extent these assumptions are justified since little evidence/support is provided. In particular, the assumptions about Hardy Weinberg equilibrium of G6PD Med within the Pashtun population need to be justified and supported since the analysis is highly reliant on this assumption.
3) The exclusion criteria does not appear to have been uniformly applied - in particular anemia was an exclusion criteria for only part of the data. This was not clear and may impact the overall significance of statistical results.
4) While the manuscript makes a number of conclusions about female homozygotes, these are not strongly supported by the evidence. In particular, the study is likely under-powered with regard to clinical associations among female homozygotes with G6PD Med, but this is not addressed and the stated conclusions are likely stronger than what can be supported by the data/analyses provided.
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Injuries of the meniscus are associated with the future development of articular cartilage damage and ultimately osteoarthritis (OA). Prior work in this field has suggest that there are undifferentiated progenitor cells residing in the meniscus and it has been hypothesized that these cells could be harnessed to aid in meniscal healing after injury. The authors provide evidence that Hedgehog activation promotes meniscal healing and identify population of cells that are positive for Gli1, an effector protein in the Hedgehog signaling pathway. Using a combination of approaches, including lineage tracing, in vitro cell culture approaches and cell transplantation experiments, they show that this Gli1 populations contains putative meniscal progenitors involved in meniscus development and healing. Overall, the reviewers found this paper to have high potential and were particularly enthusiastic about the therapeutic potential of Purmorphamine to promote meniscal healing. However, all reviewers felt that the conclusions (and title) of this paper overstated the utility of Gli1 as a marker of de facto meniscal progenitor cells. It is specifically requested that the title of this manuscript be reworded in light of the previous work showing that Gli1 can be found in a number of cell types. In several places, additional work was requested to support the conclusions made in this manuscript. Please see the detailed comments below.
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1) The authors describe many of their results as "novel". Gli1 reporter mice have been used extensively in other tissues to non-specifically describe progenitor cells (bone marrow, periosteum, peri-vascular spaces and others). Further, the role of Gli1+ cells in enthesis and and periodontal ligament (PDL) formation and healing has been previously explored. Gli proteins, which have a half-life of minutes-to-hours, may be a relatively unstable foundation for defining cellular identity. While the value of Gli1 as a general Hh reporter is clear, its utility as a putative stem cell marker (Title) does not seem adequately substantiated. The authors must temper their statements on novelty, exclusivity and utility of Gli1. The title of this paper also should be reworded.
2) The Hedgehog (Hh) signaling manipulation conducted is rather straightforward and some overlapping studies have been performed in murine joints. Many of the experimental results could have been predicted. Other elements that contribute to the superficial nature of the studies are that Gli1 reporter activity is the only marker of Hh signaling examined (for example Gli2/Gli3 are not), and that the abundance and cellular source of an Hh ligand during development or repair is never entertained. Of note, these reporters for Ihh and Shh are available.
3) It is a stretch to say that Gli1;tdTom labels meniscus progenitor cells (Lines 268-271). There is relative enrichment of Sca1/CD90/CD200/PDGFRa in Gli1+ cells (Fig 2B), yet the vast majority of cells positive for those markers are Gli1-negative (Fig S5). Positive outcomes during in vitro differentiation and scratch assays may primarily result from increased Hh-mediated proliferation. This logic extends all the way through the in vivo experiments (which are quite promising, translationally).
4) The spatial profile of Gli1-expressing cells in the meniscus is beautifully described, however an interpretation for the superficially restricted zonation of Gli1 reporter activity is not given. Do these superficial cells have more or less cartilage antigen expression? Is there something clearly physiologically different in the Gli1-rich superficial layers that could be determined? Line 401 cites an osteoblast paper to set up the relevance of Gli1+ cells in development of musculoskeletal tissues. However, the meniscus is much more similar to the enthesis and the PDL. The authors should therefore lead with that literature. The PDL literature in particular is not cited and should be added. Also missing are recent enthesis development/regeneration papers (PMID: 30504126, 26141957, and 28219952).
5) The characterization of Gli1+ and Gli1- FAC sorted cells could be expanded on a bit.
6) CFU-F images should be provide in addition to quantification. The differentiation studies in Fig 2E are non-quantitative and not convincing. Further, it is a little contradictory that under certain contexts Gli1+ cells form more cartilage (2E), but under other culture conditions they have reduced cartilage markers (2F). These points need to be clarified.
7) In Fig 5, changes in distribution or survival of Gli1+/- cells may underlie the difference, but survival nor Gli1- cell distribution were not assessed.
8) Cartilage differentiation within the meniscus appears to be promoted with Gli1+ cell therapy and Purmorphamine. This could be assessed. Similarly, Hh signaling is known to induce osteogenesis. Osteoblastic antigens and/or presence of osteophytes should be assessed for in purmorphamine treated joints.
9) One topic that is not covered in the paper is the role of Hh signaling in chondrocyte mineralization. This has been well studied in the growth plate (esp. related to PTHrP / IHH feedback loop) and may have relevance to the meniscus as well. The healing studies should consider this carefully, as ectopic mineralization is a possible negative side effect of Hh treatment.
10) There are a number of places in the results where it is unclear if the authors are talking about Gli+ cells or Gli1-lineage cells. This should be clarified throughout, perhaps with specific nomenclature that defines "Gli1+" as cells that are positive for Gli and "Gli1-lineage" for cells that are descendants of Gli+ cells. Supplemental Figure 1A should be in the main document. Similar schematics in other figures are very useful for understanding the experiment.
11) What are the temporal expression patterns of Gli1 and other Hh related genes during development and healing? It would be informative to see localized expression (e.g., in situ hybridization) or qPCR expression for healing tissues.
12) The authors should clarify a number of things with meniscal cell isolation: (a) There are clearly differences in cell phenotype between superficial and deep areas and between attachment and midsection; was this considered for cell isolation? (b) I assume TAM injections were performed and then cells were isolated a few days later via FACS; please clarify details to show that Gli1+ (not Gli1-lineage) cells were characterized. (c) Fig 2: 3-month old mice were used, but again, Gli+ vs. Gli1-lineage cells is not indicated.
13) The mechanisms by which Gli1+ and Hh treatments work is not explored. Some of the results are counter-intuitive. For example, why would Hh stimulate proliferation if Gli1+ cells if these are thought to be slow turnover resident stem cells? Furthermore, why would Hh stimulation lead to proliferation rather than differentiation, in contrast to what is know in growth plate biology)?
14) The assessment of healing is qualitative/semi-quantitative (histomorphometry). The authors should perform a more rigorous assessment of healing to demonstrate the effectiveness of the Gli1+ cell and Hh therapies. This should include quantitative outcome(s) such as qPCR, mechanics, etc.
15) The Gli1+ cell therapy histologic results are impressive. This is surprising because the delivery method was relatively simple. How much cell engraftment was there? Can the authors comment further (or add experiments to elucidate) on how long the cells were present and what their direct involvement was in healing?
16) The authors show that native Gli1+ cells expand after injury. If this is the case, what is the rationale for adding more Gli1+ cells? Is the idea that the tissue has the capacity to heal but there aren't enough native Gli1+ cells to do the job?
17) Figures and text jump between methodologies, making interpretation of results difficult. Fig1 shows that superficial cells of the meniscus generally have active Hh signaling 24-hours prior to a variety of postnatal-to-adult timepoints (A, B, E, F), and postnatal Hh signaling drives proliferation of early meniscus cells (C, D). It does not appear to report any long-term pulse/chase lineage tracing experiment as suggested in the text (Lines 223+). If this interpretation is incorrect, perhaps this could be addressed by increased clarity of figures and text (Methods, Results, Figure organization and captions).
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Summary
Kang et al. eloquently describe the active suction organ that the larvae of aquatic insects of the Dipterian family Blephariceridae use to adhere robustly to complex surfaces. While the morphology of the mechanism has been reported previously, it's biomechanical adhesion function and performance across different substrates is unknown. The authors present three advances. First, they quantify the adhesion performance on rough, micro-rough, and smooth surfaces using an effective centrifugal setup. The ultimate adhesion tests show the larvae can resist shear forces up to 1100 times their body weight on smooth surfaces. Second, they visualize the suction function in vivo using interference reflection microscopy. This reveals that small hair like microtrichia can enter gaps in the surface. Because the microtrichia are angled inward, the authors surmise that the microtrichia's angle and small size helps increase adhesion contact area on rough surfaces. Finally, they compare the adhesion performance of the Blephariceridae larvae to other species, showing it is 3-10 times greater than found in stick insects. The finding that the larvae have such high attachment forces is impressive and the study offers new biological insights that may inspire engineers to invent new underwater suction mechanisms.
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Although the reviewers were generally appreciative of the well-written manuscript and the remarkable performance reported for the active suction mechanism, the consensus is that the mechanism itself is not described in sufficient detail for the reader to fully appreciate the advance. Hence the main critiques focus on helping the authors to further flesh out the mechanism and report it in more mechanistic detail like how other adhesion mechanism are described functionally across the biomechanical literature. Further the presentation of the figures does not meet graphic design clarity standards essential to inform eLife's broad readership. To provide guidance, we list the following essential revisions.
1) The introduction states that the suction organs have been observed, however, the manuscript does not communicate the observed mechanism as one would expect in the biomechanical adhesion literature. Instead it reports the measurements of the force and a suggestion that the microtrichia may be involved. We were hoping to find a quantitative report of the mechanism integrating the force data and microscopy images into biomechanical diagrams and to the extent possible, equations, that capture and communicate the mechanism as quantitatively as possible. Whereas we are not requesting further measurements, because the performance of the mechanism is well documented, we do ask a more in-depth biomechanical analysis that spells out the mechanism in a way it can be compared to the other classic mechanisms that the authors compare to. If this requires some additional measurements to inform the model, those efforts would be well worth it. In case the authors can use a mechanistic analysis lead, we recommend reviewing a couple of papers. E.g. Jeffries, Lindsie, and David Lentink. "Design Principles and Function of Mechanical Fasteners in Nature and Technology." Applied Mechanics Reviews 72.5 (2020). Or any other review or research paper that the authors find more useful.
2) Please clarify if the experiments are done in air or underwater. We consider underwater as most appropriate; at minimum the surface should be wetted. The authors mention that the Stefan adhesion forces underwater would be higher than in air, but it's not clear if that statement pertains to the experiment. Please provide a full clarification, and in case the experiments were performed in air we would prefer to see them performed in water. If this is not possible, the manuscript should be entirely transparent on this matter so the reader can evaluate the precise merit of this study and its limitations fully.
3) We found the images confusing at times. To resolve this we would like to see clear schematics (avatars) that ground the reader's perspective in all figures.
4) Considering eLife's broad multidisciplinary readership and the appeal of this study for bioinspired designers and engineers, Fig 1d,e has to provide better anatomical readability. Please assume a Biology and Engineering undergrad level for the first figure, ensuring all definitions and anatomical names can be fully comprehended without reference to other literature. Please provide clear connections to the different views and perspectives presented in the panels leveraging graphic design to the benefit of the interested reader not familiar with insect morphology.
5) Likewise, Fig 2 is also confusing. A schematic is in order to show the reader what they are looking at, how the images relate, and why they matter (significance) for understanding the main findings reported in this manuscript.
6) Fig 3 clearly shows that course-rough surfaces provide far less adhesion force. We wonder, are there any images similar to Fig 6 showing that the microtrichia cannot enter the gaps? To comprehend what causes the differences, we would like to see a report of the length scale of the microtrichia compared to that of the gap's dimensions, both for the rough and micro rough surfaces. To clarify this in a universal fashion, please consider reporting gap size non-dimensionally based on the relevant microtrichia length scale. More discussion of the relevant length scales would help bring the force measurements and the observations of the microtrichia together.
7) Fig 6 is an important figure, so it would help the reader to more easily grasp the viewing perspective using diagrams and avatars. I panel a, a schematic should clearly define the suction disc fringe and the perspective shown. What part is the suction disc and what is the length scale of this image compared to the suction disc? Also, it would be useful if the columns of the microstructure could all be aligned for clarity.
8) Currently, the authors provide an estimate of the shear stress. It would be helpful to also include the normal stress based on the normal force data on smooth surfaces for lugubris. It would be informative for the reader to know if it exceeds 1 atm. If so, that is a very interesting finding. Please report and discuss what you find in the revised manuscript.
9) Discussion: Please include a comparison of the magnitude of shear and normal stress that this suction mechanism creates with that of other organisms. Currently the comparison is done with force per body weight, which is biologically relevant. However, reporting stress provides an objective bio-mechanistic perspective on adhesion performance.
10) Discussion, Ln 300: The suggestion that the inward-facing microtrichia may function to prevent inward slipping of the suction cup is interesting. Please discuss the tradeoff between smooth and micro-rough surfaces: is it possible that on micro-rough surfaces the microtrichia are better able to resist slip, but on smooth surfaces, the seal is better? And if so, this would suggest the effect of a better seal is more important than preventing slip, since performance is better on smooth surfaces? In-vivo visualization during failure would be very informative (in future work).
11) Please discuss why there may be an intricate branching of the fan-fibres into the microtrichia. E.g. in the gecko, the branched tendons insert into the lamella, supporting the large tensile loads applied to the adhesive. However, here it is less clear if large tensile loads would be applied to the microtrichia. It seems logical that applying large normal loads to the suction cup should be done at its centre, resulting in decreased pressure if no slip occurs (as opposed to applying the normal force to the rim, which would not decrease pressure). So, this would not explain the intricate network of fan-fibres. However, for shear loads, it could make more sense: pulling in shear would engage the microtrichia on the far side of the cup, and the fan-fibres could help transmit this tension. It might be worth thinking this through and discussing the outcome in the paper to strengthen the mechanistic analysis.
12) We would be excited to learn if the authors have thoughts on the slight curvature of the microtrichia and how it may be involved in the adhesion mechanism. In case this is purely speculative, this could go into the last paragraph of the paper, alternatively it could go into the biomechanical model of the mechanism.
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Summary
The paper reports the involvement of isoleucine 553 in targeting Drp6 to cardiolipin containing nuclear membrane. The data are interesting, but there is no mechanistic understanding of how a single amino acid can target this protein so specifically to cardiolipin enriched membranes.
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The authors are strongly requested to address the issues that were raised in the previous review. The authors state in their rebuttal that they plan to address them in a timely manner. The additional request of one reviewer that should be addressed is to test the involvement of residue 552 and 554 to highlight the significance of isoleucine in position 553 in targeting Drp6 to cardiolipin.
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This manuscript presents new tool to detect and classify mice ultrasonic vocalizations (USVs). The tool (VocalMat) applies neural network technology for categorization of the various USVs to predetermined categories of pup calls. The paper in the form submitted seems to fit more as a methodology paper. Indeed, the authors state that the goal of their work is to: "create a tool with high accuracy for USV detection that allows for the flexible use of any classification method."
The paper is well written and presents a useful tool to identify and classify USVs of mice. However, the reviewers think that the authors did not provide enough supporting evidence to claim that their method is significantly superior to other tools in the literature that attempted USV classification. For example Vogel et al (2019) - https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-019-44221-3] - reported very similar (85%) accuracy using more mainstream ML approaches than attempted in this study with CNNs.
Moreover, some of the reviewers were not convinced that the comparison to other tools was conducted in an unbiased and completely fair manner and that the approach described in this paper really represents a significant advantage over other tools. For example, two reviewers claim that the authors used DeepSqueak on their dataset without properly training it for this type of data, while their tool is specifically trained for it. Also, the reviewers expect to see a confusion matrix to assess model performance and establish whether the model does indeed replicate accurately classes (or how skewed it is with dominating classes).
Overall, all the reviewers agree that they would like to see a more rigorous attempt to validate the findings presented (ideally also on an external database) and proper (unbiased) comparison with other similar software, to justify the claim that VocalMat performance in classification of USVs is indeed superior and novel to the methods already in use.
If the authors wish to have the manuscript considered as a research paper and not in the form of a methods paper they should change the focus of the paper and provide more data showing a novel biological application of their pup calls classification findings. If not, we will be happy to consider a suitably revised version of the manuscript for the Tools and Resources section of eLife.
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This work by Berger et al examined the process of De Novo infection by a model gamma herepesvirus, MHV68, using two complementary single cell approaches - CyTOF and scRNAseq. Using CyTOF and scRNA-seq, they characterize host and viral expression of protein and RNA during infection by the gammaherpesvirus MHV68. From CyTOF of numerous host proteins and one viral protein, they propose that the DNA damage marker pH2AX along with the viral protein vRCA are more precise indicators of progressive infection than a standard LANA reporter. Using a single viral (ORF18) and host RNA (Actin), they demonstrate that pH2AX+, vRCA+ cells uniformly express ORF18. To more closely examine viral RNAs, they performed scRNA-seq on infected cells and observe a high level of heterogeneity in viral gene expression.
The manuscript is very well written and could potentially be a very welcome addition to the growing field of single cell virology. However, some concerns were raised regarding some of the conclusions and validation of the results. In particular, the variability in gene expression does not fall into existing models of kinetically regulated waves of viral transcription. This and their previous work convincingly argue that bulk measurements of protein and RNA are insufficient to represent the complexity of de novo MHV68 infection. However, in the absence of functional significance to the many clusters identified the impact of the conclusions is limited. With regard to validation, the authors must also consider that inherent variability in scRNAseq technology that could complicate the accurate measure of viral RNA. This should be discussed and addressed with additional data and/or experiments (see below).
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1) The reviewers agreed that this article will be a very useful resource for the single cell virology community, but require further validation to realize that potential. As such, this article should be resubmitted as a "Tools and Resources" article. Furthermore, this revision should pay careful attention to the additional essential revisions that follow this point, in particular there are areas that require more data for validation. Ideally, existing data or experiments closely related to those conducted can be used.
2) One of the more dramatic conclusions from the paper is that while the median infected cell expressed 52 viral genes, this ranges from 12 to 66 with only a handful of genes expressed uniformly. However, there are a number of indications that this may be explained instead by the stochastic failure to detect lowly expressed viral genes: 1) Figure 1A shows a tight distribution of the # of viral genes detected, which would be unlikely if there were multiple classes of infected cells expressing different subsets of viral genes. 2) Figure 1B shows a strong relationship between the average expression level and the frequency of detection, most easily explained by poor capture efficiency or another technical artifact resulting in undersampling. 3) These results fail to recapitulate known kinetic classes or uniform LANA expression. 4) Figure S3 indicates that even among host genes, the median cell had only a ~1,000 genes per cell detected, likely an insignificant fraction of expressed genes detected to assess viral gene number. These inconsistencies make it difficult to assess whether the observed heterogeneity is a true reflection of the gene expression profiles during infection or a reflection of the inability to detect lowly expressed transcripts by scRNA-seq.
Given the inherent "noisy" nature of scRNA-seq, it is usually hard to quantify how much of a given mRNA expression variability among individual cells is due to technical limitations, and how much is due to biological differences. The authors could settle this question for at least a small amount of genes, by comparing the variability they see in scRNAseq to that they measure in PrimeFlow and CyTOF (although the latter has the added complication of comparing RNA to protein, but would still be valuable to discuss). If they compare the heterogeneity observed for the given proteins in CyTOF with what they observe for the corresponding transcripts in scRNAseq they will both validate their finding and will be able to estimate how much of their variability in scRNAseq translates to the protein level. They can do the same with their FlowPrime data, which would be even more informative as both measure transcripts. These approaches would be ideal as the data should be readily available. Alternatively, some of the expression should be correlated by RT-qPCR or by Northern blot or if single cell is necessary, then by in situ hybridization.
The fact that the data do not pick up the established signatures of early vs. late gene expression goes against the bulk of work on viral gene expression control. More discussion about why this may be, including limitations of scRNAseq for less abundant transcripts is warranted.
3) In figure 3A, the authors observe and note both pH2AX+, vRCA- and pH2AX-, vRCA+ cell populations; based on ORF18 or Actin expression, a significant fraction of these cells are infected. The proportion of cells in each gate is not quantified, but it appears that these single-positive cells represent a significant fraction of the total infected cells. However, in Figure 1C their appears to be no major single-positive populations, and the authors note that vRCA and pH2AX levels are highly correlated. This suggests that the cells are missing from the CyTOF analysis (perhaps lying outside of the two gates presented in figure S1A). These missing cells undercuts the value of the dataset and analysis and may lead to incorrect interpretations of pH2AX's value as a marker. Addressing this discrepancy in the FlowPrime/CyTOF data and some form of validation of scRNAseq (either by leveraging their protein data or via independent experiments) will be important for establishing the datasets as a reliable resource.
Two related issues in the text: Line 217. "demonstrate that pH2AX+ and vRCA+ show progressive infection.." Progression implies that the study occurs over different time points, but the time parameter is not measured in these studies. It is not clear to me that these different phenotypes relate to different temporal stages of the infection or if they are different terminal outcomes. The authors should use another term than "progressive" in this context. Line 423 - the use of the work "progression" implies temporal studies which were not performed in this work. The study is a snapshot of a single time point and "progression" is inferred.
4) Phenotype variation may be due to variation in cell cycle stage, cell viability and age, and asynchronous infection. To what extent are these variables controlled or considered in the analysis?
5) In Figure 3, the authors show that ~20% of mock-infected cells are negative for beta-actin RNA. This seems quite odd for a house keeping gene, and the corresponding PrimeFlow data is not shown. I assume that this has to do with the authors gating strategy, or some technical issue with PrimeFlow that prevents all RNA molecules from being labeled. In either case, it would be helpful if the authors clarify this point and include the data for the mock cells in the figure.
6) Could the authors explain their rational for including the CycKO mutant in the analysis and in combining the wt and KO data into one analysis? A-priori, if the mutant has no effect on the current question (de novo infection of fibroblasts) I would suggest excluding it from the paper and only showing the wt data, or to present the data for the mutant in a supplementary file, stating similar results were obtained with it. Although the authors states that only five genes were differently expressed between the wt and mutant, it seems wrong to aggregate the data from the different viruses into a single analysis.
7) In Figure 6 and the accompanying text, the authors make a distinction between "virus-biased" and "host-biased" cells, based on the % of viral genes expressed in each cell. They go on to claim that "no significant difference in host gene expression among expressed genes" was found between these two groups. The statistical analysis for this result seems to be an ANOVA test, which I believe is not appropriate for this analysis. As the authors are comparing two distribution, something like a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test is needed. Additionally, in the text (line 314), the authors claim that no substantial difference is seen for cell-cycle genes between "virus-biased" and "host-biased" cell (Figure S6A). Looking at the data, it seems to me that G2 cells are highly enriched in the "host-biased" group. A formal quantitative analysis is needed to make this point.
8) In line 316 the authors state that "host-biased cells expressed a number of interferon-response genes (Figure S6 and Table S3), suggesting a potential role in resistance to infection". I think this claim is not fully supported by the data. Since single-cell RNA-sequencing is a "zero sum" technique, cells with a higher proportion of viral gene expression are bound to show less host genes (as the authors have shown in Figure 6), including ISGs. To show that these cells are indeed expressing more ISGs than the "virus-biased" cells, would require sorting the different populations, as well as mock-infected cells, and measure ISGs (by methods such as qPCR, RNAseq, PrimeFlow, WB etc.), or at least have some analysis that takes into account the increased drop-off of host genes in cells with high levels of viral genes (something like a permutation test?
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The referees agree your work on reconstitution of Drosophila septin hexamers into filaments on supported bilayers and their characterization and comparisin with the yeast counterparts is interesating and important. However, the referees raise a number of important points, all of which need to be addressed satisfactorily before publication.
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1) In all sets of experiments different amounts of PS, PIP2 and septin concentrations are used. How can the obtained data be discussed in terms of these parameters, if they are not really comparable? What is the rationale of using the different conditions? For example: mEGFP-tagged fly septins are crowed with methylcellulose on neutral PC SLBs. Septin concentrations of 100-500 nM were used (Figure1). In Figure 2, however, 1000 nM septin is used without methylcellulose. AFM and QCM-D data were obtained with 20 % PS, no PIP2, and 10 nM septin concentrations. These conditions do not resemble the conditions in the TIRF experiments (as written). In the TIRF experiments 1000 nM septin was used. Cryo-EM data were obtained for 6 mol% PIP2, no PS. In the discussion a model (or several models) are proposed, which appear to be highly speculative. The results are compared to those with yeast septins reported in literature. As this comparison is the major point that is made in the manuscript it would be important to perform at least one of the experiments with yeast septin for direct comparison.
2) The authors should create lipid bilayers on curved surfaces like glass rods to simulate the ability of the septins to create annulus structures as in vivo. Indeed it seems that on vesicles the structure of septin filaments hardly differ from the monolayer case. Adding topographica and geometrical cues to the septin assembly can potentially bring new insights in how they can assemble in rings or sheets.
3) Examinations of septin hexamers only containing the short or long coiled coils or mixing two populations of septin hexamers (wt and ΔCC) to see whether the ΔCC are excluded from any filament stacks would be highly recommended to support the final model.
4) Regarding the results in Fig.2D: A simple calculation explains why you find dense septin packing on SLBs at 10nM. Assuming a septin hexamer has the area of 4x24 nm2 and the flow chamber has an area of 5x20 mm2 and a height of 2mm, you would need about 1ꞏ 1012 septin hexamers to cover the SLB. This number of septins in the volume of the flow chamber would correspond to a concentration of about 8.7 nM. It is not clear why the authors did not check lower septin hexamer concentrations as this would simply require further dilution of the stock solution. These results seem to be also in conflict with the AFM results, where individual septin filaments are observed at 12nM and 24nM. The authors should clarify this difference.
5) The comments about mechanical stability of the lipid bound septins are unsurprising and not very conducive as they describe GTA fixed septins. Studies of lateral stability don't have to relate directly to enhanced cortex stability. It would have been more powerful to compare the stability of septin decorated GUVs. Sorry, but the discussion about septin layer height limitation is very speculative and would be much better founded if the authors would have done some more experiments. The claim that the layer is self-limiting is not in line with the TIRF data that shows a steady increase of fluorescence intensity at 500nM septin. It would have been good to add AFM and QCM data on samples with higher septin concentrations, e.g. 500nM, to prove that the layer remains indeed within 12-21nm. It would also be insightful to either test mixtures of ΔCC septins with full length septins or to generate septins only lacking the long coiled-coils or the short coiled-coils to support the conclusions of the authors.
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Using a mouse model of melanoma, this report demonstrates the relevance of the CD300a immunoreceptor, specifically in dendritic cells (DCs), in tumor growth. It shows that the absence of CD300a is correlated with a higher number of regulatory T cells (Tregs) within the tumor microenvironment and therefore the tumor grows faster and survival decreases. Based on additional experiments, the authors propose a mechanism by which tumor-derived extracellular vesicles (TEVs) interact with CD300a in DCs, decreasing IFNbeta production which subsequently reduces the number of Tregs. In addition, data from melanoma patients show a correlation between overall survival and higher levels of CD300a expression in the tumor.
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1) It is highly recommended to clearly demonstrate the role of IFNbeta in the proposed mechanism. In addition to using an anti-IFNbeta mAb in an in vitro culture (Figure 3D), other experiments must be performed, such as in vivo experiments with the anti-IFNbeta mAb. The authors have used this mAb in their previously published article (Nakahashi-Oda et al., Nature Immunology, 2016). Alternatively, in vivo experiments could also be performed with IFNAR1-like (IFN alpha and beta receptor 1 subunit) KO animals.
In addition, is the observed increase in Tregs within the tumor in CD300a-/- animals due only to an increase in IFNbeta production by DCs? Are there other cytokines and/or cell-cell contact that may play a role? At least this should be discussed.
2) Why are not all the experiments performed on CD300afl/fl Itgax-Cre mice instead of CD300a-/- mice? The experiments in Figures 2a, S2C, 3 and 4 should have been performed on CD300afl/fl Itgax-Cre mice. This is very important to state unequivocally that only CD300a in DCs is involved in the induction of an immune response capable of inhibiting tumor development.
3) The authors found expansion of tumor-infiltrating Tregs in mice deficient in CD300a. However, no increase in Tregs was observed in tumor-draining lymph nodes. Did authors assess the expression of Treg activation and proliferation molecular markers, such as CD25, CTLA4, GITR, CD39, CD73 or Ki67? If indeed, Treg expansion as a result of CD300a-deficiency is the cause of enhanced tumor growth, authors should provide more evidence of Treg suppressive response. For example, authors can consider measuring the levels of co-stimulatory molecules (e.g. CD40, CD80 and CD86) on dendritic cells, which generally correlate with Treg activitiy and/or tumoral IL-2 concentration.
4) PD-1 is the only marker analyzed to assess the exhausted status of CD8+ T cells infiltrating tumor lesion of CD300a-/- mice. Additional evidence of this functional status could be provided, such as for instance expression of CTLA4, TIM3 or other immune checkpoints, or low Ki67 levels. Indeed, particularly in reference of the human setting, PD-1 is also a sign of T cell activation, usually expressed in T cells infiltrating highly immunogenic and hot tumors. Hence, it would be useful having a broader characterization of immune effectors associated with progressing tumor microenvironment when CD300a is lost.
5) Since authors have Foxp3-reporter mice, they should confirm their data in Fig. 3D with natural / freshly isolated Tregs, unless they are suggesting that CD300a mainly prevents in situ conversion of intra-tumoral CD4+Foxp3- Tconv cells into Tregs.
6) Given that the interaction between CD300a and phosphatidylserine (PS) is critical to CD300a activation, PS co-localization with CD300a ought to be included in confocal microscopy. In addition, the binding of CD300a to PS and PE, which are both upregulated in dead cells, implies that apoptotic bodies could also be shuttling comparable signaling, Can the authors exclude that these particles are present in the EV preparations? Furthermore, does tumor supernatant lose any effect when depleted of EVs? The latter evidence could significantly strengthenthe exclusive involvement of exosomes in the process.
7) Did authors validate the importance of PS in the context that they propose with an anti-PS blocking antibody? There are not many anti-PS blocking antibodies available and they might not block engagement with CD300a (see Nat Commun. 2016 Mar 14;7:10871). Nonetheless, this would be a good assay to demonstrate PS as the ligand that triggers CD300a to inhibit TLR3 and subsequent IFN-β production.
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The idea of using DNA tags to enable tracking of protein and its subsequent handling is innovative and interesting. The manuscript is well written and some of the notions presented may help drive the field forward. There is a potential to revise the manuscript for eLife as a proof of principle for the approach of using scRNA seq to track an antigen in vivo.
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While the archiving of the psDNA-Ova conjugate in lymphatic endothelial cells matches the earlier observations of fluorescently tagged Ova, the power of this method is to work with scRNAseq to be able to identify novel cells that interact the the complex. In this regard, it's clear that the psDNA-Ova may interact differently with various cell types due to the potential for recognition of the psDNA, particularly by TLR9 as suggested. Tracking the psDNA-Ova conjugate as an immunogenic adjuvant-antigen complex is an interesting starting point. You can address this concern by reframing the goal from tracking a protein antigen to characterizing the archiving and presentation of the barcoded psDNA-Ova complex. This doesn't require any additional work, just changing the way you set it up- that this if you immunogen is a DNA-protein complex- you can track it by scRNA-seq. The potential to study trafficking in a TLR9 KO mice in the future might open up using this method more generically for tracking the protein antigen, but this would require much more work to rule out other influence of the DNA on archiving and processing of the antigen.
Your evidence that the psDNA really reflects the distribution of the protein is not sufficient. In Figure 1 c and d it's not clear how you measure the amount of protein? Is this the protein injected or the protein detected in a immunoblot or capture immunoassay? To extend the in vitro analysis in Figure 1c and d to actually visualize the native protein with anti-Ova and the psDNA by FISH would provide a high degree of clarity that the psDNA is not acting like a tattoo that outlives the intact protein. The FISH method could take advantage of any amplification step as long as it is consistent with detection by scRNAseq. Microscopy could demonstrate that the two signals remain in the same comparments. A particularly powerful way to show the direct association would be to perform a bulk IP-seq with anti-Ova and detection of the bar code with a test of the efficiency of depletion of the bar code form the cell lysate. A well-controlled experiment could be performed to map out the time dependent loss of protein (IP-western or capture immunoassay), and the free and protein associated psDNA. It would be ideal to include a macrophage in the analysis as a highly degradative cells in comparison to the dendritic cell and LEC, that maybe more specialized to regain intact proteins.
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The reviewers and editors were enthusiastic about the major conclusion of the study: that NusG-dependent pausing is an important factor that promotes Rho-independent transcription termination in Bacillus subtilis. Nonetheless, we felt that this conclusion can be strengthened with additional analysis and experiments that hopefully are not terribly burdensome. We believe that these additions would bring the paper to the level required for publication in eLife. The essential revisions are detailed below.
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1) While we appreciated the careful follow-up work, we felt that the major conclusion could be strengthened by a more in-depth analysis of the genome-wide data, assuming those data support the role of NusG-dependent pausing in termination. Reviewers 1 and 2 give specific suggestions in their reviews. Some of these relate to the way comparisons are made between datasets, and others address specific scientific questions. Of particular relevance are analyses that test whether NusG stimulates termination at sites with (i) weak terminal base-pairs, and (ii) gaps in the U-tract. Any other analyses of the genome-wide data that support the importance of NusG-simulated pausing in termination would be valuable to include. For example, is there any evidence that NusG-dependent pause sites identified by NET-seq are associated with sites of termination?
2) Termination sites in vitro are consistently downstream of those observed in vivo. While it is reasonable to hypothesize that this difference is due to trimming by exonucleases, there is no experimental evidence presented to support this. To test the hypothesis, we suggest mapping termination sites by 3' RACE in RNase mutant strains for one or two of the terminators characterized in the paper. B subtilis 3' exonucleases are defined, and mutant strains have been described (e.g., Oussenko et al., 2005 J Bacteriol 187:2758; Liu et al., 2014 Mol Microbiol 94:41).
3) Add a figure showing the model described in the discussion (lines 332-84) for the proposed roles of NusG and NusA in intrinsic termination.
4) Broaden the discussion of how the study relates to prior work on intrinsic termination.
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This work has the potential to make an important original contribution to the aging biology literature and includes interesting new findings regarding the role of 17a-E2 in lifespan extension. The authors provide persuasive evidence of the role of classic estradiol receptor ERa in 17a-E2 signaling and mediating the metabolic effects of 17a-E2. However, far reaching and unsupported claims are made regarding the central tenets of this manuscript as is stated in their abstract: namely sex-specific differences and that of tissue specific mediation of 17a-E2 effects facilitating the therapeutic benefit. While the tissue specific data are suggestive that the liver and hypothalamus facilitate the beneficial effects of 17a-E2, these data do not appear to have been appropriately statistically analyzed. These need to be addressed prior to publication.
The authors need to provide additional evidence for the tissue-specific nature of 17a-E2s effects on metabolism and lifespan, as well as correct/redo/undertake their statistical analyses using appropriate methods. Moreover, the experimental design needs to be more clearly documented and the data presented in a legible and interpretable manner. As such, the manuscript requires a complete reanalysis of current data and a complete rewrite, before we could consider its publication in eLife.
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1) The experimental design needs to be more clearly documented, and the data presented in legible figures with detailed legends that alert the reader to the salient methods and findings. The authors should include a brief rational for each of the experiments used and their choice of cells and provide a concise description of the methods used, and sample size. The authors need to articulate how the significance for RNA-seq and CHIP-seq data was assessed.
2) If the authors already have the complementary data on female mice on a high fat diet (rather than on normal chow) to facilitate a direct comparison with the male mice on a high fat diet and, thereby, support their sex-specific claims, it would strengthen the paper considerably, if not their claims on sex specificity should be removed from this paper as one cannot directly compare females on normal chow with males on a HFD.
3) The authors state that their ChIP-seq data reveal nearly identical ERa binding patterns with17a-E2 and 17b-E2, however these have not been rigorously analyzed. The authors need to undertake actual statistical comparisons across groups rather than rely solely on qualitative assessments.
4) The authors need to provide additional evidence for the tissue-specific nature of 17a-E2s effects on metabolism and lifespan. While they present convincing data that administration of 17a-E2 has direct effects on liver and hypothalamus, they have not provided definitive evidence that these tissues are directly responsible for the beneficial effects on metabolism and lifespan. The abstract and results section should be appropriately tempered.
5) The authors claim that 17a-E2 reverses cellular senescence in the liver but provide limited conclusive supporting data. The authors need to provide additional evidence to support these claims.
6) The motif comparison for the ChIP-seq data in Fig. 1B is not described sufficiently to allow for evaluation by readers. Moreover, the authors do not appear to have employed appropriate statistical analyses. Please describe the statistical tests employed.
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In this technical report, the authors use a previously-described mouse reporter construct to measure Cre-mediated recombination events, and repurpose it to examine Cas-induced double-strand break (DSB) repair gene editing events. All reviewers agree that the article will be of interest for the gene editing community and has the potential to make a significant addition to the field, in particular the delivery aspect in different experimental systems (cell culture, organoids, in vivo tissues). However, the reviewers also are in consensus that the manuscript is in need of additional experimentation to bolster the claims, in particular with regards to HITI and the complex events. Moreover, the authors need to address additional points as detailed below, many of which require only clarification, elaboration and text changes but not additional data. The claim in Figure 4 is not well corroborated and may be dropped unless a pilot screen and its results are presented in the revision. The claim in Figure 8 is not essential and may be dropped for better elaboration in an independent study. Below is a summary of the comments listing the essential revisions required for a revised manuscript.
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1) The title should be changed. First, the use of in vivo may imply to some that the system is only for animals, which would short-sell its value. Second, given that the FIVER system is essentially the creative but simple use of dual CRISPR/Cas targeting on top of an already existing system (mT/mG Cre reporter mouse), the use of a novel acronym (FIVER) is not merited.
2) The Abstract should include the fact that this represents a previously-described Cre/Lox reporter repurposed for gene editing analysis. This information is in the text, but more transparency is required. The repurposing of a previously-described LoxP reporter assay for gene editing does not constitute a novel reporter assay. Moreover, the abstract should highlight the gene delivery advance.
3) The text requires elaboration and comparisons to other delivery approaches in the literature for each tissue examined. For example, it is unclear whether the efficiency of the delivery of Cas/sgRNAs to the retina in Figure 7H is expected based on other studies of gene delivery to this tissue. Namely, is it more difficult to achieve editing in this tissue, compared to introduction of a fluorescent transgene? If this has not been done, it does not need to be done here, but such comparisons with experiments in the literature will reinforce the utility of the approach.
4) The HDR reporter presentation could be clarified and the assay has some limitations that should be discussed. Figure 1a is difficult to follow, because the repair templates are not shown. It is suggested to show at least the minicircle template and the targeted integration. In general, please strive that figures are understandable without consulting the text.
Overall the frequencies of HDR are very low, but this is expected due to the design of the assay. Since two tandem DSBs are induced, NHEJ using the distal DSB ends causes loss of both cut sites, and hence is likely highly favored over terminal repair event. In contrast, most gene editing events involving HDR are induced by a single DSB, for which NHEJ recreates the cut site, and hence is a futile repair event. Namely, HDR is also promoted by the persistent nature of single Cas9-induced DSBs, which are inhibited in this assay by the second DSB. Also, the HDR event here requires a relatively long gene conversion tract, which is also not necessarily the goal of therapeutic gene editing. Accordingly, it is unclear whether this assay will be particularly useful for studying HDR.
5) It is inaccurate to state this is the first in vivo gene editing reporter for HDR. The DR-GFP mouse was established and used to examine HDR frequencies in mouse tissues over 7 years ago (PMID: 23509290). The text should be changed and this information should be included in the manuscript.
6) The validation of HITI editing and proposed applications are not at the level of Figures 1-3 validating endjoining or HDR events. NGS or equivalent quantitative techniques should be applied also here. This is especially true for the embryo editing application (Fig. 7) and the independent locus editing correlation (Fig. 8). For example, the very low levels of mosaicity during embryo editing is particularly surprising, since other papers have indicated that this is a major problem by sequence-based methods and phenotypic outcomes (e.g. tyrosinase editing for coat color). Have the authors validated the frequency of BFP+ events that are bona fide integration events at the target locus vs. random integration? This could be done, for example, by showing that the DSB at the target locus is required for BFP+ cells. BFP-minicircle transfections are used as negative controls, but do these also lack the DSB in the BFP-minicircle? Namely, the appropriate negative control should be BFP-minicircle + the DSB cutting the minicircle, but without the DSB cutting the target locus. This requires extensive new validation experiments that are essential for a revision.
7) To improve the utility of the assay, the "unexpected outcome" of editing at the reporter locus (i.e. +tdTomato/+EGFP) must be investigated further with new experimentation to fully understand the structure of the event and potentially deduce the mechanism(s) leading to it.
8) Figure 4 and associated main text. The claim that the reporter assay can be used in drug screens is not well supported. Either a proof-of-concept screen should be conducted or otherwise this claim should be removed.
The small molecule SCR7 that has been reported to target DNA Ligase 4 (Lig4) is discredited (PMID: 27235626) and this should be discussed and indicated in any figure, if this section were to remain in the manuscript.
9) The claim made in Figure 8 that editing at the reporter locus corresponds to editing at another independent locus requires further evidence. Controls for cutting efficiency are lacking and more loci need to be tested. In the context of the dual-editing (HITI at mT/mG and Zmynd10), it should furthermore be evaluated whether integration of the n.TagBFP occurs at the Zmynd10 locus and vice versa. The comments must be addressed experimentally, if this claim were to remain in the revised manuscript.
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There is consensus among the reviewers that this study provides an interesting and important advance in understanding the role of CEBP/b LAP in metabolism and response to a high fat diet challenge. The major discoveries reported here are fairly well supported by the data, including that male uORF KO mice show an increase in fat cell number as opposed to fat cell size, less inflammation, and improved glucose tolerance/insulin sensitivity.
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However, all of the reviewers shared the major concern that it appears that only male mice were studied here, and that this fact - or the rationale for using only male mice - was not clearly articulated within the manuscript. This makes interpretation quite challenging, especially given that the authors previously published that lifespan extension in the uORF KO mice is much more pronounced in female compared to male mice. There was consensus that this is a substantial weakness to the current manuscript which limits its overall impact. It's possible the authors already have this data, and we would need to see inclusion of data supporting similar outcomes for the key experiments in female mice to recommend publication in eLife. If the outcomes are different in males and females, this is likely quite interesting and would need to be developed further.
The other significant concern was related to the RT-qPCR data, which is indicative but not conclusive support for the authors' conclusions, especially since many of the changes are small in magnitude. It was noted that most of the relevant proteins have ELISAs available, and they all have antibodies which could be used to support the robustness and importance of the small but plausibly important differences observed. IHC against CD68 in the fat depots could be performed and the authors could strengthen their claims about adipose tissue inflammation by measuring the expression levels of inflammatory cytokines in adipose depots.
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The manuscript by Ishii et al focuses on understanding how cellular dynamics drive the spiral shape of the cochlear duct in mammals. The authors use live imaging of inner ear explants to follow dynamics of interkinetic nuclear migration (IKNM) and ERK activity (using ERK FRET sensor) to track some of the processes that give rise to tissue bending during spiral duct formation. On the imaging side, the manuscript presents a technical tour de force, showing remarkable two photon imaging capabilities that provide insights into the dynamics underlying cochlear extension. These experiments reveal several new observations: (1) Medial epithelial layer (MEL) tends to bend more than the lateral epithelial layer (LEL) despite being more proliferative. (2) That nuclei of cells in the curved region of the cochlea tend to stay in the luminal side, following cell division, rather than migrate back to the basal side. (3) The cells migrate towards the apical lateral roof. (4) That there are orchestrated ERK waves that correlate with cell migration. Based on these observations and on mathematical modeling, the manuscript has two main claims: (1) that nuclear stalling on the luminal side following cell division leads to increased curvature which gives rise cochlear duct bending, and (2) that multicellular flow mediated by ERK signaling waves pushes cells towards the growing apex, supplying the cells required for luminal expansion. While the observations in the manuscript are certainly interesting, I worry however, that some of the claims are not sufficiently substantiated, and also the connection between the two observations is rather weak. Here are the detailed concerns:
Major concerns:
1) The authors argue that cell cycle arrest results in a decrease in the curvature of the cochlear duct, which supports the hypothesis that luminal nuclear stalling promotes MEL bending. This is fine, but luminal nuclear stalling can be a result and not a cause. Since in a bent region, the basal side is more packed, this density gradient can be the cause of nuclei stalling at the luminal side. The fact that the curvature decreased but not diminished after cell cycle arrest could suggest that nuclear stalling is not required for bending, but rather reinforces it.
2) Since the authors discuss both cell proliferation and nuclear stalling, and cell migration, as forces that can drive bending and coiling, it hard to interpret the results of the mitomycin C experiment. Could it be that the tissue is less curved because there are less cells to supply the elongation tissue rather than less nuclear stalling? The authors should consider inhibiting either cell migration or the cytoskeletal machinery required for IKNM to dissect these effects.
3) The authors present a mathematical model to demonstrate that nuclear stalling in the luminal side results in bending. To model nuclear motion they use a parameter, gamma, which controls the degree of basalward movement after IKNM. Modeling in such way means that other than gamma=1, the nucleus never fully returns to the basal side, but if I understand correctly this is not the case, as even if the nuclei that stall at the luminal side, eventually return to the basal side.
4) Furthermore, for luminal nuclear stalling, the authors tracked only the nuclei of dividing cells. This makes the data in Fig 2D' much clearer. However, in their model the authors show only these nuclei and not all nuclei. In addition, they show many crowded nuclei in the model, yet this is not observed in the images provided in the manuscript. Therefore, it seems the model does not represent the morphology of the tissue properly. The authors should model the process with non-dividing cells at the basal side.
5) In lines 250-252 the authors claim that the higher volumetric growth measured at the MEL should cause an opposite curvature relative to the innate one. This is true if EdU intensity is proportional to volumetric growth, but cells in the MEL and LEL may not be the same size. For example, cells in the MEL could be smaller than cells in the LEL. The authors should therefore measure the nuclei number density and the volumetric cell density to clarify this. If the number density of the nuclei is indeed higher at the MEL, it may also explain the higher structural integrity of the MEL relative to the LEL demonstrated in figure 1C.
6) The authors show the effect of ERK inhibition on tissue flow speed. This is a very important observation and raises several important questions. What is effect of ERK inhibition on curvature? On tissue length? On proliferation? These will provide a more complete understanding of the effect of RK inhibition.
7) The authors should also test the effect of mitomycin C on cell flow and ERK activity. AS mentioned above, it is not clear whether the effect of mitomycin C is a result of less nuclear stalling or perhaps less cells that flow towards the apex.
8) In Figure 3 the authors analyze the EdU distribution over the cochlear duct. This analysis is done using the maximum intensity projection of the stack. It seems that a more accurate way to quantify would be to use the summed intensity image rather than the maximum intensity image. This may reveal additional details that were missed by throwing away all other layers except the one at maximum intensity.
9) In Figure 4 the colors used for the ERK activity analysis are very hard to see for color-blind people. It would be easier for this audience if the authors changed 1 of these color to green/red/yellow.
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The paper by Hirashima and colleagues shows some interesting cellular mechanisms they conclude drive the spiraling and outgrowth of the mammalian cochlea. The two cellular mechanisms they propose are supported by experiments and modeling. The spiraling ERK wave and the contrasting movement of lateral cells was very intriguing. However, the ERK wave and lateral cell movements seem disconnected from the bending forces discussed. Are the authors saying that the ERK mediated lateral cell movements are important for cochlear growth while the MEL is important for the bending? The two mechanisms they discuss seem insufficient to explain all of cochlear spiraling. Other cellular mechanisms such as cell proliferation and convergent extension are mentioned but their roles are not incorporated into their discussion. Are they not required? How do they complement their results?
1) While the authors talk about bending forces, the paper has no measurements of the forces generated by different tissues. I also feel there are other cellular mechanisms that are mentioned but never incorporated into their proposed explanation for duct coiling such as convergent extension and actomyosin based basal shrinkage. Proliferation is discussed quite a bit but seems to be dismissed as a force. In the introduction they mention how Shh mediated proliferation is required for duct elongation while Fgf10 null mutants have a shortened duct yet normal proliferation. So what is the role for proliferation? Maybe they can answer this in the context of their interesting observation that there is more proliferation in the roof than the floor which would be predicted to bend the cochlea along that axis. When combined with the medial lateral bending could these two forces result in the spiraling? It also seems like this differential proliferation between the floor and roof was in more than just the epithelium correct? Could the cartilaginous capsule around the duct guide the bending as well? In their culture experiments, if too much of the capsule was removed then normal duct development was disrupted.
2) Their demonstration that the bending forces are in the medial half is interesting but the only tissue whose mechanism is studied is the MEL. Could convergent extension in other medial tissues such as the prosensory domain (which Wang et al. showed was occurring in this tissue) and surrounding mesenchyme be the main force generator for the bending of the medial half of the cochlear duct? Does the MEL cultured by itself bend? They say that cell intercalation can drive ductal elongation but not bending (line 83) but can't convergent extension occur asymmetrically in the tissue? Such as by occurring in the overlying medial mesenchyme but not in the medial epithelium. It should be noted that the bending by the epithelium does not have to provide high forces as long as the force provided by other tissues are similar across the medial lateral axis, the bending in the epithelium could bias the mass of tissue to bend.
3) The mathematical modeling for the luminal bending is less convincing than the mathematical modeling for the ERK and Cell flow coupling. The simulated curves in Fig. 2K are quite different from the Experimental measure in Fig. 2M, especially for the Mitomycin C condition. I feel that the values plugged in for the Numerical simulation, the standard parameter set were not well justified. What happened to the simulations as these values changed? Was the parameter space for acceptable values broad? In contrast the parameters for the numerical simulation of the ERK activation waves and cell flows were well justified. The parameters chosen might explain the big differences between simulation and experimental in figure 2.
4) For the cell tracking experiments in the lateral region the resolution was 4-5 cells. The resulting cell flow patterns were very interesting but why didn't the authors track single cells? Segmenting individual cells via cytoplasmic labeling is much trickier but the nuclei are identifiable and the Imaris software they used in the paper has a cell tracking feature for such labeling. I would think that individual cell movements might provide more insights. In line 303 they say they can see cell contractions which I assume is for individual cells? How were cell contractions identified? Movie 5 was excellent and very informative. Do the cell flows correlate at all with the proliferation seen with Edu staining?
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Reviewer #1:
This is a fascinating manuscript that explores for the first time the potential mechanisms underlying cochlear morphogenesis. The authors have used a combination of modeling, beautiful imaging and ERK-FRET reporter mice reporter mice to suggest at least two processes may be at play in cochlear shaping - differential interkinetic nuclear migration and a cellular flow that appears to correlate with ERK activation.
I have no major concerns with this lovely piece of work. The imaging and quantification is meticulous, and the observations made by the authors are novel and will of great interest to cell biologists interested in morphogenesis, no just aficionados of the inner ear.
The one suggestion I would make is for the authors to clarify the relationship between cell proliferation and ERK activation. When they reference the inner ear literature, they point out that FGF pathway mutants have deficient cochlear morphogenesis and proliferation, and they hypothesize that FGF-induced ERK activation may be responsible for their propagating waves. However, they also reference work suggesting that cellular extension during collective migration can also induce ERK activation and also suggest SHH-induced proliferation as another causative factor in promoting ERK activation through proliferation. I think the authors should try and clarify this - both in their explanation, but also by comparing the effects of the MEK inhibitor PD0325901 on ERK activity and tissue flow speed (Fig 4I and S3F) with the effects of the FGFR inhibitor SU5402, and also Shh inhibitors like cyclopamine. If the effects they see are directly due to FGF signaling, one would expect a change in ERK activation and cell flow with the same kinetics as with PD0325901. However, if Shh-induced proliferation is responsible, the change in ERK activation would take much longer to achieve. I think these experiments should be possible to do in a relatively short period of time.
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The mammalian cochlear duct is a spiral-shaped organ. This study investigated the mechanisms underlying the bending of the cochlear duct. Using two-photon live imaging and mathematical modeling, it was reported that the bending of the cochlear duct is caused by stalling of nuclei in the luminal side of the medial cochlear duct during interkinetic nuclear migration. Using FRET-based imaging, cochlear duct elongation is attributed to an oscillatory wave of ERK activity originating from the cochlear tip.
All three reviewers were impressed by the imaging results. Although the reviewers and editors find the concept and approach interesting, blocking cell proliferation may be too crude a method to address the authors' hypothesis and many questions were raised by the results of blocking cell division. Second, the relationship between cell proliferation and ERK-driven migration is also unclear. Please see comments from Reviewer #2 and #3 for specifics. Third, what is the relationship between SHH-induced proliferation and ERK activation as suggested by the authors (see comments from Reviewer #1)? Additionally, it is problematic to illustrate a difference in the bending force between medial and lateral cochlear duct that is presumably occurring at E12.5 and E14.5 with a cochlear dissection at E17.5. The tissue architecture is completely different between E12.5 and E17.5. The surgery basically removed a specific region of the cochlear duct, the stria vascularis, rather than medial versus lateral halves of the cochlear duct.
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The role of extracellular vesicles (EVs) such as exosomes as factors potentiating metastasis by solid tumors has attracted considerable recent interest. The article by Ghoroghi et al is a very complete and thorough study of the role of 2 small GTPases, RalA and RalB, in extracellular vesicle (EV) release and breast carcinoma progression. The main advance of this manuscript is to describe a signaling role for the GTPases RalA and RalB in regulating phospholipase D (PLD) and multivesicular body function to regulate exosome biogenesis. They also show that RalA and RalB regulate expression of MCAM/CD146 on EVs, and that reduced levels of CD146 on EVs affects efficiency of lung cancer metastasis. Finally, they show RalA, RalB and CD146 levels are indicators poor prognosis for breast cancer patients. Overall these are interesting observations with clinical relevance. The study is extremely carefully performed, in general, with appropriate controls and conclusions. There are a limited number of weaknesses that need to be addressed.
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1) Figure 3C shows that RALA and RALB have functions where they do not always act in series with each other. They may for exosome excretion, but not necessarily for proliferation. For Supp. Fig. 4C, this experiment needs to be longer than 72 hours for a proliferation assay to be truly convincing. While interesting that proliferation results differ between mice and growth on plastic, a 10 day growth experiment would lead to greater conviction that this is a sustained difference. Figure 3D better agrees with Supp. Fig 4C, where loss of RALB gives greater proliferation over control, albeit not as great as RALA loss. Was Fig. 3D performed at 12 days? The variable time points make it difficult to assess the role of RALA/B on growth.
2) Figure 4 carefully describes why RALA/B deficient EVs fail to prime regions for metastasis. As the EVs are not directed to those locations, the contents fail to increase permeability of the regions. However, statistically significant does not mean biologically meaningful; specifically, looking at Fig 4f and 4g, knockdown of RALA/B had little effect on EV internalization. One question that is not answered is whether RALA/B are acting in series or parallel. Concurrent depletion of both RALA and RALB in the types of experiment performed in Figure 4 would help answer this question. If depletion of both isoforms is greater than either alone, then it implies they act in parallel.
3) How are RALA/B activated in the context of 4T1 cells? The use of the RAL inhibitor in Figure 1B is most effective in cell lines without RAS mutations. Panc1 and MD231 cells have KRAS mutations, yet RALGEF inhibitors are least effective. At the concentrations used, all RALGEF activity should be inhibited. Is RAL expression levels similar between cell lines?
4) The logic for targeting PLD1 seems rushed. There are several RAL effectors, and while the data on PLD1 are compelling, it is unclear why only this effector was selected. Were other effectors tested? The Hyenne paper, which is cited throughout, provided stronger logic for connecting these pathways. The statement in the discussion, "Our work further identifies PLD as the most likely effector acting downstream of RAL to control exosome section" is incorrect as stated. This work identified PLD1 as A downstream effector important for exosome secretion. To state that it is the most likely effector is an overstatement as no other RAL effectors were tested.
5) The use of either PLD inhibitor at 10 uM will have significant inhibition of both PLD1 and PLD2 regardless which inhibitor is being tested, as well as additional off-target effects. Given both inhibitors have nanomolar IC50 values for their specific PLD isoform and low micromolar IC50 values for the related isoform, these experiments are inconclusive as presented. This section of the text should be reworked to account for the lack of isoform selectivity at the concentrations of inhibitor used. a. siRNA or shRNA could be used to validate the PLD1/2 inhibitor data.
6) In all cases when using inhibitors, there are no western blots or additional validation showing target inhibition in any cell line. In this case, the use of such high concentrations of inhibitor likely resulted in inhibition of the target proteins. However, such high concentrations often result in off-target effects. Determining the lowest efficacious dose to inhibit target function should have been performed and used throughout the experiments.
7) Would loss of MCAM expression, via direct knockdown, result in EVs that are unable to permeabilize HUVEC cells, as in Fig 4A/B? Alternatively, does loss of MCAM expression (or blocking via anti-CD146) result in decreased metastasis, similar to RALA/B knockdown? While Fig. 5g shows a decrease in EV localization to lungs on treatment with Anti-CD146, the rate of metastatic lesion formation was not assessed when CD146 was blocked.
8) In a previous study (Hyenne et al, 2015) the authors already demonstrated a role for RalA and RalB in controlling MVB and EV secretion in the 4T1 breast cancer model, in a process evolutionarily conserved through nematodes. They also wrote a follow-up review article describing considerable evidence in the literature for RalA controling PLD and ARF6 function to control EV secretion. This diminishes the novelty and interest of the first part of the study, which could be reduced. The more novel and thought-provoking parts of the study are in the definition of the relationship between the RAL proteins and CD146, and the identification of unique properties of the exosomes produced in cells with manipulated RAL proteins (for instance, in regard to influencing exosome permeability). These could be better emphasized.
9) Almost the entire mechanistic model is based on the work of a single breast cancer cell line, 4T1, which has been described by some as triple negative. This is a significant weakness, as there may be features of that line that make it uncharacteristic of breast cancer in general. At least some of the key conclusions should be functionally confirmed in an additional cell model.
10) In addition, breast cancer cells fall into multiple different subtypes, which have different metastatic propensities and gene expression patterns. Is the functional relationship between the expression of RALA/B and CD146 in exosomes observed in just triple negative cells, or in other subtypes?
11) In Fig 5h, K-M analysis of TCGA shows a weak relationship between MCAM expression and survival. Were the tumors analyzed segregated by tumor subtype? Were data corrected for tumor stage? This is important, as the MCAM staining pattern may reflect a propensity for MCAM expression in tumors at a late stage, or subtypes with a poorer prognosis.
12) The authors provide observations suggesting that RalA and B control primarily the EV secretion pathway involving Multivesicular bodies, hence leading to exosome secretion. This is mainly demonstrated by observation of a decrease in MVBs upon knock-down of RalA/B, demonstrated by thorough electron microscopy analyses. This is correlative, rather than truly demonstrative, but the best one can do so far. In most experiments, the authors use EVs isolated by a relatively crude method, ultracentrifugation, that co-isolates non-specific components, and they do not analyse larger EVs that can be recovered at lower centrifugation speed, thus an effect of RalA/B on these non-exosomal EVs cannot be excluded. The EVs are only characterized by their number (NTA counting), which is not very precise, and not consistent with guidelines of ISEV (MISEV 2018, J Extracell Vesicles 2018, 7: 1535750).
Maybe the authors can argue that they did perform more complete analyses of their 4T1 EVs in a previous article? Did they use the EV-TRACK website to verify their experimental EV isolation and characterization set up? Of note, the authors also perform quantitative proteomic and RNomic analyses, which gives a better characterization of EVs. The protein composition and its change upon RalA/B KD could have been used to try to confirm (or not) the MVB origin of the EVs controlled by RalA or RalB, but it is not crucial for the message. Alternatively, to demonstrate that the CD146-bearing EVs that carry the prometastatic function are bona fide exosomes, the authors could have shown its localization in the cells, upon or not RalA/B depletion, and show if a drastic change in ratio of localization in MVBs vs the PM occurs, but this would be an additional study, not necessary for the current paper.
13) The authors insist that RalA/B control exosome secretion, and discuss the bases and limitations of their demonstration properly. The summarizing schemes (fig2f and fig5i) of their model show the release of RalA/B-depent pro-metastatic exosomes, and RalA/B-independent exosomes which are not pro-metastatic. However, EVs that are released in the absence of RalA/B could instead be formed at the plasma membrane, and correspond to ectosomes. Nothing in this study demonstrates the origin of RalA/B-independent EVs, thus PM-derived EVs should be represented in the scheme.
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Reviewer #3:
The manuscript studies a theoretical model within the framework of reaction-diffusion equations coupled to signalling gradients to possibly explain the emergence of whisker barrels in the cortex.
1) The model considered by the authors is identical to the one studied by Karbowski and Ermentrout (2004). The only new features are the extension of the original 1D model to 2D and the addition of an extra term to represent competition in axonal branching.
2) The authors consider 2 guiding fields. What are their explicit spatial profiles? Notice that since these fields essentially guide the emergent pattern and hence their profiles, in relation to the geometry of the 2D domain, are crucial. A different profile would certainly lead to a different pattern. I feel that it is not enough to say '...linear signalling gradients aligned with the anterior-posterior and medial-lateral axes....' since the domain is 2D and of non-rectangular shape.
3) The justification for the introduction of the extra term for competition amongst axons (eqn (3)) is missing. Why that form? What is the reasoning for introducing axonal competition? What essential features of the resultant patterns are missed out if this term is absent? Or has a different form? In the discussion section, the authors mention, without any justification, that the conservation of branch density in each projection is a key requirement for the emergence of barrel patterns. This is totally unclear.
4) Related to the above point, the authors mention that the axonal branch density is bounded by their dynamics. I presume that the integrations on the RHS of eqn (4) are spatial integrals over the domain. Then how come a spatial index survives in the LHS of this equation? How did the authors arrive at this equation? Is there a continuous-time version of this equation (like a conservation law), i.e., one that does not make a reference to the discrete time-stepping dynamics?
5) A typical mathematical modelling study should explore the space of relevant parameters to demonstrate the possible range of behaviours that the model can exhibit. This is usually presented as a phase-diagram. The authors do not explore the parameter space (or the possible spatial profiles of the guiding fields) in their study.
6) Throughout, the authors emphasize the spatial-locality of their mathematical model and conclude 'Hence the simulations demonstrate how a self-organizing system...'. A mathematical model with spatial-locality alone does not imply self-organized dynamics. With a sufficiently large number of spatio-temporal fields (N=42), and the concomitant parameters, and non-autonomous guiding fields, it is possible to reproduce any desired pattern. As such, it is crucial in the mathematical modelling of living systems to delineate the essential requirements from the incidental.
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This is an interesting paper that with a few assumptions shows that an old model for areal formation in cortex is sufficient to quantitatively reproduce the patterns of barrels observed in mouse S1. It would appear from the model that the key is the parameters gamma_ij that are presumably (hypothesized) to be assigned at the level of the thalamus. I have a few questions about the paper
1) Does the same model work with respect to projections from the brain stem (barrelettes) to the thalamus (barreloids)? This would be a good way to check the ideas. Related to this, is it true that the barrelettes (barreloids) precede the development of the barreloids (barrels)? It would seem to be necessary? Or perhaps, starting with a double gradient in the thalamus and cortex and a prepattern in the barelettes, would the correct patterns emerge simultaneously?
2) There seems to be a strong prediction in this concerning the development of the patterns over time. Panel C indicates that early on there are large distortioins in the shape of the barrels particularly in D,E rows. is this known to occur?
3) It seems to me that without the chi, then possible connections plus axons are conserved which is reasonable. But with the necessary competition, there seems to be a flaw in the model if they have to renormalize at each point. If axons make connections should they not be lost from the pool forever (this is the -dci/dt the model). For example, since the gradient has noflux in the original K&E model, there is conservation of the total number of connections and axons of a given type. (int ai+ci dx = constant). This principle seems to make sense to me. However, the competition term chi_i seems top disrupt this. Is there a way to introduce the axonal competition in a way the prevents the unrealistic (or biologically implausible, at least) renormalization at each step? I'd be more comfortable with the model if there were a more physiological way to renormalize. For example, I dont know if the authos considered something like an additional flux of the form: \chi ai \nabla \frac{1}{N-1} \sum{j\ne i} a_j
This makes the axons of type i move away from type j while at the same time enforcing conservation without recourse to some sort of postnormalization.
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Reviewer #1:
This compact paper proposes a a self-organization model for formation of whisker barrels. The key idea is that reaction-diffusion dynamics can lead to the observed topology, in the absence of pre-defined centers for the barrels.
The model is well presented and the motivation of mathematical choices is mostly clear. It may be worth expanding on the motivation for competition for axonal branching (equations 3 and 4).
It is a little unclear how the misexpression experiment (Shimogori and Grove 2005) in Panel E was done. The simulation approach and outcome for this section is described very tersely.
The authors also mention another easily modeled experiment, in which capybara brains lack barrels because they are big. It should be a simple matter to do this run.
Overall I feel this study presents an attractive and compact model for the formation of whisker barrels, which has good biological motivation, and does a good job of reducing assumptions and molecular guidance cues.
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Summary
This compact paper proposes a a self-organization model for formation of whisker barrels. The key idea is that reaction-diffusion dynamics can lead to the observed topology, in the absence of pre-defined centers for the barrels.
Essential Revisions
1) How do the authors obtain 41 pairs of gamma values (line 102)? Are these parameters or were they inferred from experiments? This must be better motivated.
2) The competition term chi_i requires renormalization, which seems biologically implausible. The authors may wish to try a form such as \chi ai \nabla \frac{1}{N-1} \sum{j\ne i} a_j which does not need renormalization. Several other points about this competition term are unclear as mentioned in the reviewer comments.
3) There should be more exploration of the model: some parameter exploration and sensitivity analysis, and some more predictions.
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The authors present a cool new idea: using a large parabolic reflector in combination with a macroscopic lens array and rapidly modulated LED array to enable fast image multiplexing between spatially separated samples. I believe that there may be interesting applications that would benefit from this capability, although the authors have not clearly demonstrated one. The paper is short, and light on discussion, details, and data.
Major comments
1) The manuscript does not discuss several standard, key topics for any new microscope paper: "objective" numerical aperture, image resolution, optical aberration (other than distortion, which is discussed), and camera sensor size.
2) Why was an array of low-performance singlet lenses used? With that selection, the image quality cannot be good. Can the system not be paired with an array of objectives or higher performance multielement lenses?
3) Fluorescence imaging is not discussed or demonstrated but would obviously increase the impact of the microscope. At least some discussion would be helpful.
4) Actual HTS applications are almost always implemented in microtiter plates (e.g. a 96-well plate) to reduce reagent costs and enable automated pipetting, etc. I do not believe anyone would implement HTS in thousands of petri dishes. The paper would be strengthened substantially by a demonstration of simultaneous recording from all (or a large subset) of the wells in a 96-well plate. It's not clear whether this is possible due to the blind spot in the center of the parabolic mirror's field of view that is blocked by the camera.
5) One of the primary motivations for this approach is given in the first paragraph as: "wide-field imaging systems [which capture multiple samples in one frame] have poor light collection efficiency and resolution compared to systems that image a single sample at a given time point." With a f = 100 mm singlet lens, the light collection efficiency of the demonstrated microscope is also low (estimated NA = 0.12) and the resolution is unimpressive with the high-aberration lens and 1x magnification. They demonstrated only trans-illumination applications (e.g. phase contrast), where light collection efficiency is not important. I believe a fancy photography lens mounted directly on a many-megapixel camera set to image all or part of a microtiter plate could likely outperform their system in throughput and simplicity, at least for the demonstrated applications of cardiomyocytes and C. elegans.
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Astronomers have spent centuries learning how to image the night sky with limited sensor hardware. Ashraf et al present an ingenious adaptation of a technology developed for telescopes-parabolic reflectors-for imaging biological samples. In principle, the approach seems like it could be incredibly useful across a wide range of applications where multiple samples must be imaged in tandem. By placing multiple samples under a single parabolic reflector, multiplexing of samples and imaging hardware can be accomplished without sample-handling robots or moving cameras. The authors highlight two applications: cardiac cells in culture and free-moving nematodes.
The authors explain the theory behind their technique in a clear and convincing way. However, the biggest challenge in most imaging projects is making the theory work in practice. In its current form, the manuscript falls far short of demonstrating the practical usefulness of parabolic mirrors for imaging biological samples. The authors include only a small amount of image data-for the nematode work, this consists of eight images collected from two plate regions. Data of this scope cannot provide readers or reviewers with sufficient evidence with which to evaluate the quality of the technique.
1) The images shown-are they typical or are they the best possible images that can be collected from the device? The authors do not provide any quantitative evaluation of the quality of their images, in absolute terms or relative to existing methods, with which to understand the practical performance of parabolic mirrors. The authors should estimate the spatial resolution and dynamic range that can be obtained in practice with the devices, and evaluate how such image quality metrics vary across the entire field of view. Does performance degrade towards the edge of the mirror? Does performance degrade over time, as devices become de-calibrated with use?
2) The manuscript is additionally weakened by the absence of a non-trivial measurement made with the device. Pilot experiments are included, demonstrating that images can be collected. However, no evidence is provided to show that these images can be used to compare samples and draw biological conclusions from them. A more convincing proof-of-principle would involve the measurement of some non-trivial biological difference between samples measured with the device, either confirming previous work or discovering something new.
3) The authors highlight the comparative simplicity of their method: it eliminates the need for motorized samples or cameras. However, this simplicity must come at some: for example a substantially increased use of space or perhaps an increase in delicate calibration required, or equipment price. If a 0.25 meter mirror is required to measure four C. elegans plates, how large a mirror would be required to measure 16 plates-the number that can typically be measured using a flatbed scanner? The authors could also expand greatly on other practical issues: for example, is a dedicated imaging table required to align mirrors and samples? Readers would benefit from a clearer evaluation of the practical trade-offs in deploying parabolic mirrors in a laboratory setting relative to other imaging approaches.
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Ashraf and colleagues describe an approach to perform high throughput screening imaging without moving parts. The setup is original and offers to experimentalists the flexibility to record quasi-simultaneously stacks of images of multiple samples at the full field of resolution of the camera. The optical aberration inherent to the use of a parabolic mirror are mostly overcome by collimating light from the objective lens. The images require a post-processing in two steps for taking into account the image stretching on the detector and the variation in magnification due to the variation of the distance between the mirror and the image. Two applications illustrate the potential of the solid-state HTS.
To my opinion, the following points need to be clarified:
1) How homogeneous is the field of illumination with a single LED? Especially for a large field of illumination, a non-homogeneous illumination would compromise the quantifications.
2) The accuracy of this ssHTS is related to the robustness at keeping the distance F2 constant between samples. In other words, how sensitive is the image acquisition to the potential variation in the F2 distance between samples as well as within a single large field of view?
3) The magnification Mc must be explained.
4) Is the post-processing compensation applied only in the y-direction?
Assuming that such publication aims to disseminate the use of an ssHTS setup to a wide scientific community, I find the description of the setup as well as the applied image post-processing rather succinct, even with the 3D printing and source codes information.
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The reviewers all recognised the originality of your solution to perform high throughput imaging without moving parts. They do have some serious reservations, primarily regarding the evaluation of the quality and utility of the technique and in addition to the other points raised, and consider it essential that you address the following:
1) The standard topics for any new microscope paper: "objective" numerical aperture, image resolution, optical aberration, and camera sensor size, together with the specific aspects related to this technique, including dependence on homogeneous illumination, and sensitivity to maintenance of F2 distance.
2) A substantial expansion of the scope of the data presented, to provide readers with sufficient evidence with which to evaluate the quality of the technique, including proof of principal with a 96-well plate assay.
3) A direct quantitative comparison with existing HTS imaging solutions.
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This work investigates the role of autophagy in the migration of neuroblasts in the forebrain of adult mice. The authors provide evidence that activity of the autophagic pathway is related to the ratio of the migratory / stationary phase. They also provide evidence that activity of the autophagolysosomal pathway is related to the ATP/ADP levels and that autophagy targets the focal adhesion molecule paxilin. Autophagy is emerging as a central pathway in the regulation of neuronal development and the manuscript adds interesting and new evidence to this concept. Overall I consider this an important and well designed study.
Major Comments
1) In order to support the central notion that ATP/ADP levels control the autophagolysosomal turnover of paxilin, which in turn regulates migration the authors should investigate the localization and expression of paxilin in their experiments using the analysis that was applied in figure 3.
2) The data presented in Figure 1-4 is sound and directly related to the central point of the paper, i.e., that ATP/ADP levels control the autophagolysosomal turnover of paxilin. The data presented in Figure 5 is circumstantial and except for showing that different pathways that have been linked to migration processes (not specifically migration of neuroblasts in the adult RMS) modulate expression of autophagy-related proteins. The data does not contribute to the key message of the paper and I would suggest to remove the data entirely.
3) I am convinced that the paper carries an important and novel message but the order of how the results are presented seems not ideal to me. I believe that the order: analysis of autophagolysosomal activity in relation to migratory phases, analysis of metabolism with a focus on ATP/AMP ratios, and finally analysis of Paxilin as a potential target of Autophagy would be more stringent and convincing.
4) Data presentation: in many instances the authors provide sample images of only one experimental condition e.g. Fig 2 M-O, R, W. While this may provide an impression of how the data was collected I think that it would be more convincing if the authors provided example images of all experimental conditions to illustrate differences. In addition the figure legend for Figure 2 M-O does not clarify which/ whether the sample images are from WT or mutant mice.
5) The authors write that "...An Atg5 deficiency led to the accumulation of neuroblasts in the RMS close to the SVZ (582.7 {plus minus} 72.5 cell/mm2 in WT mice vs. 846.7 {plus minus} 72.7 cell/mm2 in cKO mice; p<0.05, n = 4 animals per group), with an accompanying decrease in the density of neuroblasts in the rostral RMS (RMS of the OB) and the OB. The graphs in figure 2P do not support the statement. that the density of neuroblasts in the rostral RMS and the OB are lower in ATG5 KO conditions. Please correct the statement and provide an explanation of how the numbers of neuroblasts can be stable if a higher number is observed in the more caudal portions of the RMS.
6) The authors use CRISPR/Cas9 to knockout Atg12, if possible I would like to ask the authors to confirm the loss of Atg12 protein.
7) The authors use the RFP GFP LC3 reporter which allows estimation of autophagic flux in vivo. In their analyses of autophagolysosomal activity (Figure 1I) they only estimate the RFP punctae. determining changes in autophagolysosomal activity would be stronger and more convincing if the authors performed the GFP+RFP/RFP punctae ratio.
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Reviewer 1
In the last few years the role of ATP metabolism at the synapse and in neuron development has become a topic of growing interest for the field of neuroscience. Autophagy is a prominent cellular process that has important roles in axon degeneration, cell death and nervous system disease. Importantly, the role of autophagy in neuron development has been less heavily studied than in disease contexts.
The authors provide extensive quantitative datasets clearly indicating that genetic or pharmacological inhibition of autophagy results in reduced migration from the SVZ to the olfactory bulb. Indeed, a strength of the study is evidence showing that genetic effects on multiple autophagy components and AMPK (which activates autophagy) affect neuron migration. Another high point is extensive, quantitative time-lapse analysis of neuron migration in acute slice. This ex vivo approach is informative and makes for a compelling case regarding the role of autophagy in neuron migration from the SVZ to the olfactory bulb. While some in vivo data is provided more evidence on this front would further strengthen the study.
While this is an interesting, high-quality study, the authors do not introduce an important body of prior literature on autophagy in neuron migration (Peng et al, 2012 JBC; Petri et al, 2017 EMBO; Gstrein et al, Nat Neuro 2017; Li et al, 2019 Cereb Cortex). As a result, it is unclear to the reviewer whether this is a significant step forward for the field, or a further valuable study solidifying the role of autophagy in neuron migration. At this point, the reviewer leans towards the latter view point. Below, are further details on this issue and several suggestions the reviewer hopes will improve what is a very nice piece of science.
Major Comments
1) The Gstrein paper is a very important piece of prior work, but is buried in the Discussion. This needs to be brought up in the introduction and noted appropriately. The manuscript also does not cite two other important papers showing that changes in autophagy can affect neuron migration in the olfactory bulb in adults in vivo (Petri et al, 2017 EMBO), and that molecular perturbations that affect autophagy impact neuronal migration in the cerebral cortex in vivo (Peng et al, 2012 JBC). Further recent work has shown that altered autophagy accompanies impaired neuronal migration in vivo in the cerebral cortex (Li et al, 2019 Cereb Cortex) and in vitro in a neuronal cell line (Li et al, 2019 Front Endocrinol). Placing the existing study's contribution more carefully and thoroughly within the context of this prior body of work on autophagy in neuron migration at the onset of the paper is critical.
The attempted selling point of conflicting roles for autophagy in cell migration based on other cell-based studies and non-neuronal tissues is not particularly helpful and distracts from a major issue: There are already multiple studies indicating that autophagy affects neuron migration in vivo, and it is unclear how this work represents a major advance.
2) The introduction does not comment on the role of ATP in neuron development and function; this has been an area of intense study in recent years. This type of background would be helpful for framing the context of the findings here.
3) In vivo data indicating that autophagy influences neuron migration from SVZ to olfactory bulb is very important. Perhaps the reviewer is mistaken, but it seems like only Figure 2P shows quantitation of vivo data. This indicates loss of Atg5 results in increased cell numbers in the RMS. This an extremely important point. Hence, more evidence that other pharmacological or genetic manipulations of autophagy change cell density/migration in vivo would be valuable.
The authors state: "with an accompanying decrease in the density of neuroblasts in the rostral RMS (RMS of the OB) and the OB". This is not supported by necessary statistical analysis, and looks likely to be insignificant. Statistics should be run here and commentary adjusted accordingly.
4) In Figure 4B and C, quantitation of the ATP biosensor Perceval is shown. The authors claim a 20 fold change during migration. However, the Perceval ratio goes from 1.01 to 0.99 during one migration step and then 1.01 to 0.97 in the second step (Fig 4B). How is this a 20x change? To the contrary, this seems like quite a modest decrease in ATP ratio.
How does this ratio change in a positive control where ATP production is reduced by impairing glycolysis or mitochondrial function?
How does the role of ATP production by glycolysis versus mitochondrial stores influence migration?
Presentation of data as a % change in Figure 4C is not ideal and gives the impression of artificially exaggerated effect sizes. Statistics are also notably absent from Figure 4C which makes a critical, quantitative point about migration and ATP consumption.
5) The study emphasizes the point that AMPK senses changes in ATP levels and also activates autophagy. Both of these concepts are well known. Thus, pharmacologically blocking a known activator of autophagy like AMPK and showing effects on cell migration further supports the idea that autophagy is required for cell migration. This does not tie together that changes in ATP levels are affecting autophagy and, therefore, migration. Is there a way to directly manipulate ATP levels and then looks for impacts on both autophagy and migration? Is there a way to alter AMPK activation by ATP changes?
6) In Figure 5D, treatments that increase and reduce the speed of migration show the same effects on autophagy as assessed by LC3II levels. How do the authors explain this? Wouldn't one expect opposing outcomes? Is this correct?
7) Links between paxillin and cell migration are correlative, and not particularly convincing. Does reducing or increasing paxillin function affect migration? Does triggered specific heightened degradation/turnover of paxillin affect migration?
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Summary
In this work you uncover the complex interplay between autophagy and energy consumption to regulate the pace and periodicity of the migratory and stationary phases in a prototypic model of migration in adult brain (the SVZ-OB). Both reviewers considered your work important as you provided evidence that 1) activity of the autophagic pathway is related to the ratio of the migratory / stationary phase, 2) activity of the autophagolysosomal pathway is related to the ATP/ADP levels, and 3) autophagy targets paxillin, a focal adhesion protein that is the direct target of LC3II.
Essential Revisions
The original reviews are attached below. Most of the major points can be addressed with minimal new experiments, but may require reanalysis of data or samples you already have. Based on these reviews, it is essential to address the following key points:
- Deepen the analysis of paxillin localization and expression
- Confirm the impact of Atg5 on the density of neuroblasts in the RMS (increased?) and the OB (unchanged?)
- Confirm the loss of Atg12 protein,
- Quantify autophagolysosomal activity (Figure 1I) by analyzing GFP+RFP/RFP punctae ratio
In addition, while the science is strong, claims regarding the advance over previous studies should be toned down, since there is existing literature showing roles of autophagy in neuronal migration. The paper needs rewriting to accurately place your work in the context of prior research in the field. Specific recommendations include : i) rewrite the Introduction and Discussion to cite the literature appropriately: (ii), the second referee suggests that your Results could be presented in a different way in order to make better use of your data.
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Reviewer #2
In their manuscript titled "SOX21 modulates SOX2-initiated differentiation of epithelial cells in the extrapulmonary airways" from Eenjes et al. the authors describe a new role for Sox21 in the developing and adult airway epithelium. Building on prior work they observe a unique distribution of Sox21 expression in the developing airways and through careful and elegant immunostaining and over-expression studies they suggest that Sox21 is downstream of a key airway development transcription factor Sox2. They suggest opposing roles for these genes based on analysis of Sox2 and Sox21 heterozygous knock-out mice whereby Sox21 prevents and Sox2 promotes differentiation of immature airway progenitors into basal cells. This raises interesting questions regarding the role of Sox21 in the biology of airway progenitors and the balance of cell types in the airways. In adult mice no obvious differences are detected in Sox21+/- mice in terms of regenerative capacity. In in vitro assays of adult mouse basal cell differentiation (ALI culture) failed to identify obvious differences in basal cell number of differentiation into specific lineages in Sox21+/- cells. The authors report an overall similar pattern of SOX21 expression in a human fetal lung organoid platform. Finally, in human ALI cultures the authors identify SOX21 expression most abundant in paranasal cells suggesting a similar possible role for this genes in differentiating basal cells in humans. Overall, the molecular mechanisms that control airway stem cell maintenance and differentiation are of great interest to the field.
Major concerns:
The development data is clear based on the studies presented. The immunostaining and figures are elegant. It does not appear the Sox21 is necessary for airway development. A key question raised by this work is how important and what precisely is the role of Sox21? For example, overexpression of Sox21 in the developing and adult airways might have been more instructive in answering these key questions rather than under the control of the SPC-promoter.
The adult mouse data and human data seem to overall suggest that SOX2 and SOX21 are upregulated in differentiating cells in vitro and are expressed at lower levels in basal cells but real mechanism or phenotype related to SOX21 function is observed in the SOX21 het mouse cells.
The attempt to assess human fetal airways is admirable. However, sections of fetal lungs would be more relevant. Can the authors address how similar fetal lung cultures are to in vivo airways and at what developmental time point ?
Overall the relevance of SOX21 expression in the adult airways is unclear.
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Reviewer #1
This is an interesting but also a bit confusing manuscript by Evelien Eenjes and colleagues.
I was wondering whether the seemingly conflicting effect of Sox21 on basal cell differentiation could be due to an increase or decrease in Sox9 positive basal cells. These atypical basal cells have been described in a number of manuscripts.
For example - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26869074 - it appears from the figures that Sox21 may increase Sox9 expression. Can the authors look at the presence of Sox9 positive basal cells in the trachea of the different mutants?
It would be important to quantify the % of club cells in the corn oil and naphthalene treated tracheas of the different mutants as these are the main cells that should be replaced upon naphthalene injury. I am not sure that people normally look at the number of ciliated cells reappearing after naphthalene injury as ciliated cells are not thought to be killed by naphthalene.
The authors should also look at Sox9 positive basal cells in the tracheas of the corn oil and naphthalene treated ctrl and mutant mice.
Are the intermediate para-basal cells in the human airway differentiation experiment club cells? Why do the authors think these cells are on their way to become ciliated cells? Doesn't Sox21 inhibit ciliated cell differentiation?
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Summary
This is a comprehensive analysis of Sox21 in lung development, homeostasis, and injury, using wide array of methods including mouse human cell-based ALI cultures and organoids. The authors describe a new role for Sox21 downstream of the key airway development transcription factor Sox2. They suggest opposing roles for these genes based on analysis of Sox2 and Sox21 heterozygous knock-out mice whereby Sox21 prevents and Sox2 promotes differentiation of immature airway progenitors into basal cells. This raises interesting questions regarding the role of Sox21 in the biology of airway progenitors and the balance of cell types in the airways. In adult mice no obvious differences are detected in Sox21+/- mice in terms of regenerative capacity. In in vitro assays of adult mouse basal cell differentiation (ALI culture) failed to identify obvious differences in basal cell number of differentiation into specific lineages in Sox21+/- cells. In human ALI cultures the authors identify a similar possible role for Sox21 in differentiating basal cells in humans. Overall, the molecular mechanisms that control airway stem cell maintenance and differentiation are of great interest to the field. However, in its current form the studies remain primarily descriptive and several data inconsistencies remain, which makes it difficult to draw impactful conclusions at the current stage. The potential suitability for eLife would significantly increase with additional mechanistic experiments and data.
Essential Revisions
In particular, the following major points require additional experimental data (details are outlined below):
1) The functional Sox21 role in the adult lung is not clear.
Mouse studies would benefit from inclusion of overexpression of Sox21 in the airways
In human airways and the models used (organoids and ALI cultures) gain and loss of function studies are not performed and would also behelpful to further determine the phenotype of the intermediate para-basal cells in the human airway.
2) Evidence for genetic interaction between Sox21 and Sox2 in the adult lung needs to be expanded.
3) Presence of Sox9 positive basal cells as additional atypical basal cells needs to be further investigated.
4) Quantification the % of club cells in the corn oil and naphthalene treated tracheas of the different mutants as these are the main cells that should be replaced upon naphthalene injury.
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The current and widely accepted model how nuclei are positioned in the cell proposes that their anchorage is mediated through nuclear membrane spanning SUN and KASH domain containing proteins which connect the cytoskeleton to the nuclear interior. This study presents evidence that this model needs reconsidering. The authors follow up on their previous observation that nuclear positioning differs between mutants in SUN (UNC-84) and KASH proteins (ANC-1), where anc-1 mutants display a more severe phenotype. The study nicely combines structure-function analysis of ANC-1 with the readout of nuclei positioned in the syncytial cell hyp7 in fixed samples and by live imaging, and the mutant analysis correlates well with the fitness of the whole organism. The authors also show that the expected regions (the KASH domain or the actin binding domain) play rather minor roles in nuclear anchorage. Instead, anchorage is mapped to a portion of the transmembrane domain and to spectrin-like repeats in the cytoplasmic localised region of the protein. Mutating those protein domains not only leads to irregularly positioned nuclei but also to disorganisation and fragmentation of the ER, which also appears unanchored as evidenced by in vivo imaging. Consistently, the authors find ANC-1 prominently associated with the ER and that this association is independent of the KASH domain.
This paper will be very interesting to a wide readership as it challenges current models of nuclear positioning and shows that mis-positioning and loss of connectivity can have severe consequences to the development of the organism. However, the reviewers felt that some of the conclusions required additional data to support the statements made, in particular to strengthen the proposed the ER link, as well as some other points that require clarification as detailed below.
Essential Revisions
1) The data shown in Figure 6 suggesting ANC-1 targets to the ER was not convincing and was also very hard to contextualise as no other markers for other organelles or the nucleus were present, and no merged images provided. Given that the authors also repeatedly draw conclusions relating to mitochondria, including a mitotracker in the far-red channel would be important. The ANC1 signal appeared rather diffusely localised in all cases (WT and TK/KASH mutants; noting that the KDEL signal is very low in the TK mutant image compared to the others) and it could be argued any potential overlap might be coincidental rather than specific. No other evidence for ER targeting was provided but would be required to support the current conclusions. The authors should also at minimum calculate the co-localization index and provide examples of line scans to show a correlation between signal intensities. Also the sentence "The slight discrepancy between localization of mKate2::ANC-1b and GFP::KDEL could be explained by the distance between the ANC-1 N terminus and the ER membrane" will need to be modified. This is highly unlikely due to the resolution of the microscope used to acquire this image. The discrepancy might be due to differences in the focus plane of the two light channels. Please remove or edit this speculation.
2) A further concern is the lack of any cytoskeletal network analysis in the paper; the authors (somewhat extrapolated) conclusions are focused on the concept that nuclei and the ER are detached from any sort of cytoplasmic structural network in anc-1 mutants, but this is not tested in the study. It would be very helpful to provide this evidence, but we recognise that analysing the cytoskeleton in detail may prove impractical given the current restrictions. However, if experimental data cannot be provided, it would be important to tone down such statements given the lack of formal evidence provided for this model.
3) ANC1b-del6RPS and del5RPs appear to be expressed at much lower levels than other mutants (or WT protein) eg: Fig5; is this the case and if so, might the nuclear positioning defect just be due to this (ie: as the animals are more like anc-1 null)? It would be important to understand relative stability of these mutant proteins to interpret this data. Please provide more information on the relative intensity levels of each mutant and if they are similar, provide more representative example images.
4) The authors put forward the claim that ANC-1 anchors other organelles besides the ER. There are a lot of markers available for different organelles, and it would be important for the authors to provide some staining in the most significant mutants (delta 6rps, delta tk), for mitochondria or other organelles. On page 11 the authors also write "Nuclear shape changes were observed during live imaging in anc-1 mutants consistent with a model where anc-1 mutant nuclei are susceptible to pressures from the cytoplasm, perhaps crashing into lipid droplets that corresponded with dents in nuclei.". It is not clear why the authors suggest "crashing into lipid droplets" and not any other organelles in the cell (mitochondria, endosomes, etc). Is there any evidence for this statement that can be provided?
5) p. 14: ...was not enriched at the nuclear envelope...". it would very important to include pictures of the ANC-1 staining together with a marker for the nuclear envelope in Figure 5 to support this statement.
6) Page 6, Figure 2A,B. it is not clear in the text that two of the four nonsense mutations that were analysed only disrupt isoform a and c (w427 and w621). If these mutations only affect isoform a and c, and not the shorter isoform b, then the authors could explain this better, so that this result goes together with the RNAi data.
7) Figure 1c and Figure 3C - the dataset of WT and anc-1(e1873) seems to be the same in both these figures. Although duplication of the same data in multiple figures should not typically occur in publications, the duplication should be indicated clearly in the figure legend for transparency. Ideally, the duplicated data should also be shown in a different color/format in the figure so that they are immediately obvious. Other duplications of data in the manuscript should also be indicated. Why was unc-84(n369) data repeated three times on the graph in Fig 3C but with different values?
8) The percentage of touching nuclei in unc84(n369), KASH mutants (fig 1C), and anc-1(dF1)(fig 3c), are around 20%. However, the authors classify the KASH mutants as "mild nuclear anchorage", whereas anc-1(dF1) on fig 3c was classified as "severe nuclear anchorage". The authors also used the term "intermediate nuclear anchorage" for other phenotypes. The authors should use the same classification (clearly described) throughout the manuscript.
9) Figure 4A - the authors described the image of GFP:Kdel of hyp7 syncytia as a "branched network". It is very difficult to observe any branches and a network in these images. We recognise the authors want to use the same terminology that is used to characterize ER in other cells, but it is difficult to understand what the authors mean by a branch. Diffuse staining with dark round objects in it is visible, but branches are not clear. The authors should provide a better example, more similar to unc-84(n369) mutant, where branches and a network are more distinct and annotate these properly to support this statement.
10) Figure 4C and D; movie 1 and 2- In these figures and the authors compare the dynamics of ER in WT and anc-1 mutant. The authors also provide representative movies. The WT animal appears to be crawling significantly less than the anc-1 mutant, making it difficult to directly compare the anchorage of ER in WT during crawling in the representative movies. Moreover, - Supp Movie 1 appears to be far shorter (fewer frames) than Supp movie 2 - ideally, equivalent time scales should be provided for WT animals to be comparable with the mutant.
11) Figure 6A - in this scheme and through the manuscript, the authors refer to the c-term region of ANC-1, after the TM domain, as the KASH domain. However, by definition, the KASH domain includes part of the neck region, the TM domain and the c-term region after the TM domain (see e.g. Fig4 of Wihelmsen et al. JCS 2006, or PFAM definition of KASH - 10541). Therefore, the neck region of the KASH domain plays a role in nuclear positioning. Furthermore, labelling of Figure 6A should be changed accordingly to standard definition.
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Summary
The manuscript by Silva-Garcia and colleagues addresses an interesting aspect of BRCA2 biology: the regulation of its steady state levels in response to DNA damage. It has become clear that BRCA2 level are subjected to change in response to a number of different environmental challenges, including the induction of various types of DNA lesions. This manuscript identifies the serine protease DPP9 as cleaving off the first two N-terminal amino acids of BCRA2 to target BRCA2 towards the N-degron pathway. The DPP9-mediated turnover of BRCA2 regulates the BRCA2-RAD51 stoichiometry and appears to promote RAD51 focus formation.
Overall Evaluation
The biochemical data are generally solid and support the conclusions, but the interaction has not been tested with the endogenous proteins and the affinity is low (~17 uM). The cell-based assays reveal a potentially significant problem in the BRCA2 construct. Overall, the physiological relevance is far from certain. To be conclusive, the PLA would need single primary antibody-only controls to ensure specificity. More importantly, although it seems possible that DPP9 has an effect on RAD51 foci, it is not clear from the results whether this is directly connected to BRCA2 or is an indirect effect. In particular, the results with the truncated form and full-length BRCA2 are done in overexpression; however, the levels of the two proteins are different and it is known that BRCA2 overexpression is toxic for the cells. Stable expression or equal transient expression would have been more convincing to draw these conclusions or at least rescuing the phenotype of full-length with the truncated form and/or with WT DPP9 would have been more adequate. The overall model needs to be significantly toned down in light of available data from cBioportal and DepMap that are inconsistent with the overall model that DPP9 cleavage is essential for BRCA2 function.
Essential Revisions
1) As the authors recognize, that there is a conceptual problem with the model that suggests that BRCA2 cleavage and degradation is required for RAD51 focus formation, when it is BRCA2 function that is required for RAD51 focus formation, as shown by genetic studies. How can the degradation of an essential factor for RAD51 focus formation be required for RAD51 focus formation? If, as the authors suggest, the BRCA2 : RAD51 ratio is critical, RAD51 overexpression should be detrimental. The authors may want to consult the literature on RAD51 overexpression and its effects and discuss this.
2) Figure 1: Based on the data presented in Figure 1 panel A, it is concluded that DPP9-BRCA2 PLA signal is detected in the nucleus. However, that is hard to assess, as the visualized dots localizing in the DAPI stained areas could easily be on top of the nucleus. In addition, is there any evidence that DPP is actually a nuclear protein?
The PLA experiments seem to lack the single antibody negative controls that require to account for nonspecific signal.
Fig. 1D: This figure reports the results from the SPR as (partial) binding isotherms based on equilibrium analysis.
Include the SPR sensorgrams (for example in supplemental figure 1) to show that equilibrium analysis can be performed on this dataset, thus if: • Observed response is due to specific binding of peptide to enzyme (methods section does not explain if reference surface subtraction has been performed and how much specific binding occurs). • Binding actually reaches equilibrium after 4.5 minutes association phase (rather than continuing to rise). • Dissociation occurs during dissociation phase of 7 minutes, at least for majority of signal, to make sure reaction is reversible (expected for micromolar range).
Would it be possible to add inhibitor to the association phase to verify specificity of observed interaction?
Saturation is far from complete. The uncertainty of the fits themselves (as reported in Graphpad analysis) are probably much larger than the reported variations between triplicate KD determinations, especially for the shorter peptide where not even 30% of the enzyme seems to become occupied at the highest peptide concentration. The uncertainty from extrapolation of maximum observed 50% and 25% binding for the different peptides towards 100% response plateau will have major influence on apparent KD. The uncertainty of the fits has to be considered in deciding whether the shorter peptide binds significantly weaker than the intact peptide.
The enzyme on the chip surface will cleave the peptide and will retain the dipeptide but release the rest of the peptide (according to the observed electron density in the crystals). The intact peptide (40 amino acids) will results in an approximately 20-fold higher response in the SPR assay than the dipeptide (2 amino acids). Depending on the kinetics of peptide binding, the chemical conversion and product release, the observed signal in the sensorgrams will be mostly substrate, mostly product or a mixture of these, the composition of which changes during the experiment. Even if a steady-state binding level is observed in the raw data, the obtained parameters are probably not reflecting equilibrium binding constants. An active site mutant may be helpful here (and might return a much stronger affinity for the intact peptide). If that is not possible, a more qualitative reporting of the data could be considered rather than trying to obtain affinities.
Fig. 1 S2: DPP9-BRCA2 PLA signal seems to increase with MMC in siBRCA2 treated cells. This potentially indicates that the PLA signal does not report on the DPP(-BRCA2 interaction.
Why does removing FLNA reduce the BRCA2-DPP9 interaction? Is the BRCA2 pool bound to FLNA targeted by DPP9?
Fig. 1B, G. It is unclear what is shown on the Y-axis, total fluorescence, number of foci?
Fig. 1C, D: The affinity found for the interaction between BRCA2 and DPP9 is ~17 uM which seems too weak for a physiologically relevant interaction. Nonetheless the interaction appears to be real as they find it also with purified fragments. An immunoprecipitation with endogenous proteins with and without MMC treatment would be necessary to complement these findings in cells as the PLA is not sufficient.
Fig. 1G: Please provide the statistical analysis of the (-) and (+) 1G244 samples under MMC treatment. This is the key control and not the comparison to -MMC.
3) Figure 2: Fig. 2: If DPP8 and DPP9 crystals with the BCRA2 peptide are so similar, why is there a phenotype of DPP9 mutants? Why is DPP8 then not providing redundancy?
Fig. 2: While the disorder in the DPP9 crystals is clear from the average B-factors (Table 1), what are the local B-factors for the active sites in both structures? Is the quality of the electron density in the active site of DPP8 actually good enough (~3 Å) to establish that the identity of the two amino acids are methionine and proline? Can it be ruled out that coincidentally one might be observing 2 residues from only partially ordered longer peptide? What other information from previously determine enzyme-inhibitor complexes (Ross et al 2018) and active site geometry is maybe used in concluding that the density corresponds to the N-terminal dipeptide?
4) Figure 3: Fig. 3 A-D: The DNA damage sensitivity assays lack a control with siBRCA2 cells to show the sensitivity compared to knock-down of DPP9, without that it is difficult to interpret the results. This is especially relevant if the point is to show that DPP9 is required for the function of BRCA2 in DNA repair. The observed sensitivities to DNA damaging agents are very mild (plot axes are 1 log). Given that for example sensitivity of BRCA2 mutants to PARP inhibition is extreme, can the effect of DPP9 on survival be indirect?
Fig. 3 E. The interpretation and description of these results do not appropriately reflect the data. HeLa DPP9 KD cells start with a higher constitutive level of gammaH2AX but the overall kinetics of the increase and decrease appears very similar. The statistical analysis, hence, is not appropriate to test a repair defect. How do normalized curves look like with 0 hr set to 100% and what is the statistical analysis of normalized curves?
Fig. 3F. Same problem as in Figure 3E, although the increase in gammaH2AX signal is more dramatic. However, in the present illustration, it remains unclear, whether there is a defect in repair as measured by decrease of the gamma H2AX signal.
5) Figure 4: Fig. 4A: Please provide statistical analysis of siDPP9 +/- MMC and siNT versus siDPP9 + MMC. The analysis provided -MMC siNT and +MMC siDPP9 is not helpful.
Fig. 4 C and Fig. 4S1: When comparing the signal labeled BRCA2 in, for example Figure 4 panel C, with that in Figure 4 - figure supplement 1, it is difficult to understand that the signal represents the same protein, as in one blot the signal is a collection of bands, while in the other it appears to be a defined band.
Fig. 4C: Is vinculin a proper control for quantitation of the levels of BRCA2, given that its signal appears out of linear range?
Fig. 4I, J, line 373: The levels of BRCA2 1-1000 are different compared to BRCA2 3-1000. As this is a transient transfection the difference in the levels might be due to the quality of DNA of one plasmid versus the other. It is not clear that it can be concluded that BRCA2deltaMP is less stable than the unmodified N terminal BRCA variant. This is because the expression levels of the two variants is so different and both seem to decrease (relatively to their starting signal to the same extent). See overall evaluation.
Fig. 4S2: What is the rational for using a different control protein to measure levels of RAD51 and BRCA2?
Fig. 4S2: The scheme in G cannot relate to E and F, as RAD51 is analyzed there. Does it maybe relate to Figure 4 I and J. If so this should be indicated in the figure legend to Figure 4I/J and corrected. I suggest moving Figure 4S2G to Figure 4 as part K. What is the evidence that the ubiquitin is cleaved and how efficient is cleavage?
6) Figure 5: It was very surprising that the WT BRCA21-3148 plasmid was not functional at all with the level of RAD51 foci being equal to the no plasmid negative control. Is it because of a construct problem? One would expect the WT construct can still rescue RAD51 focus formation but with a lower level than the mutant BRCA23-3148, as in Fig. 5C there are some RAD51 foci in siDPP9 cells under 300 nM MMC treatment as well as in Fig. 5-figure supplement 1F. If WT BRCA21-3148 is not functional at all without DPP9 catalysis (as suggested by Fig. 5F and 5G), how do the authors explain that N-terminally tagged BRCA2 variants are still functional, for example GFP-BRCA2, 2xMBP-BRCA2, which could not be processed by DPP9 as the dipeptide Met-Pro is not at the desired positions? This is a potential red flag and questions the validity of the central conclusion. The complementation activity of the constructs must be tested in a BRCA2-deficient background with proficient DPP9. The experiment in Figure 5F lacks a positive control to evaluate the level of complementation by the 3-3418 BRCA2 construct. This should be easy by omitting BRCA2 siRNA and using a scrambled control and no siRNA.
Fig. 5A. The difference in RAD51 bound to chromatin is not clear and there is no quantification.
Fig. 5B, please provide statistical analysis of the comparison of siNT versus siDPP9 + MMC. Also, the description in line 453 does not appropriately reflect the data, as there is a RAD51 focus signal in DPP9 depleted cells.
Fig. 5B, D, F: it is important to show the real number of foci to determine whether the RAD51 foci per cells correspond to what is known from the literature and to find out the effect of the DPP9 KD alone to the number of RAD51 foci. For Fig. 5F this data is presented in Figure 5 suppl. 1 F.
Fig. 5C: The detection of RAD51 foci is of poor quality. In addition, why under some conditions there is a strong cytoplasmic signal? The effect of different treatment on nuclear size is perplexing. The scale bar indicates 10 µm in every panel, yet nuclear size varies by ~2-4 fold.
Fig.5. S1E. The levels of BRCA2 WT vs BRCA2delta MP are different, even if the amount of plasmid transfected is the same this does not mean the quality of the DNA is the same so the differences in the levels could be due to this. The quantitation is missing. Is this result reproducible?
Fig 5 Suppl. 1F. This panel shows that the number of RAD51 foci is increased in cells complemented with a plasmid expressing 3-3418 compared to the full-length BRCA2. However, there are several possible issues in this experiment. A WB showing the control that the siBRCA2 worked in the same cells that overexpress BRCA2 and BRCA2deltaMP. The levels of BRCA2deltaMP is reduced compared to FL-BRCA2. The BRCA2 cDNA is big and its transfection is rather toxic for the cells so a reduced transfection efficiency could lead to higher survival and possibility of repair leading to increased RAD51 foci. What are the levels of gH2AX foci in both cells? If there is a difference in the amount of damage this could also lead to differences in RAD51 foci. The number of RAD51 foci in cells depleted of BRCA2 seems rather high compare to the ones reported in the literature. It remains unclear if the small difference in RAD51 foci between the two BRCA variants could be related to difference in their expression or heterogeneity in expression in the cell population.
To assess the relationship of DPP9 and BRCA2 in DNA repair the phenotype of BRCA2 1-3418 should be rescued by WT DPP9.
There is no convincing evidence to suggest that DPP9 regulates RAD51 filament formation by processing the BRCA2 N-terminus as stated in line 474. The authors examine RAD51 foci not filaments.
7) In Figure 6 S1, the authors show a correlation between low DPP9 expression in breast cancer and patient survival. These data support the significance of DPP9 in breast cancer. However, a quick database analysis in cBioportal reveals that DPP9 and BRCA2 deficiency co-occur, which is not expected from the model presented here. Moreover, cBioportal also shows that DPP9 is often deleted in ovarian cancer but amplified in breast cancer. Again, these data are not consistent with the simple model presented here. Finally, analysis in DepMap shows that DPP9 in not essential whereas BRCA2 is an essential gene. These data do not support the model that DPP9 is essential for BRCA2 function. The authors should consider these available resources and refine their interpretation.
8) There is a concern about the use of fragments. This appears acceptable for the structural analysis but in Figure 4I and J it is problematic for the stability experiments. In Fig. 5S1E, the full-length BRCA2 behaves consistently, but the analysis is very limited and not quantified. Is this finding reproducible? The reason this could be a bigger issue is the concern about the BRCA2 construct and the absence of complementation activity discussed above.
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In this paper, Brunet and coauthors show that various species of choanoflagellates have the capacity to switch from the typical flagellated stage to an amoeboid, non-flagellated stage. They show these amoeboid cells move using blebbing migration. The paper makes four major points:
1) Several species of choanoflagellates make dynamic protrusions that appear similar to blebs in DIC when confined. This claim is well supported by nice quantitative analysis of blebbing using a diversity of choanoflagellate species.
2) The blebs made by choanoflagellates, like those of animal cells and Dictyostelium, involve breakage and healing of the actomyosin cortex. This is the weakest part of the paper (see below further details).
3) Choanoflagellate cells can use this blebbing motility to escape the confinement, a concept supported by movies of cells doing this. This is supported by movies of cells doing this.
4) Amoeboid motility is homologous in choanoflagellates and animals. In particular, the authors postulate that epithelial and crawling cells in animals differentiated by exploiting the switch from the flagellated to amoeboid stages that existed in unicellular opisthokonts. Although this is an interesting hypothesis, we believe the data is not conclusive and both the implications and the conclusions need to be better explained in the general context of eukaryotic evolution.
Below we define what we believe should be done to improve the manuscript.
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1) The idea that amoeboid morphology and blebbing motility is older than animals is not particularly controversial: blebbing has been documented in various microbial lineages for some time, and blebbing motility uses a contractile actin cortex, which are also widely distributed. This, combined with a lack of engagement with alternative hypotheses weakens the conceptual significance of the paper. Fleshing out what the alternative hypotheses are, and/or providing context for how this work provides new insight into the evolution of blebbing would improve the paper. Furthermore, the introduction should include more background information to distinguish blebbing motility from actin pseudopod based motility. Also, the use of the term "actin-filled" to discuss bleb retraction is confusing; do the authors mean actin-encased? Also a clear definition of what a "retracted bleb" is should be provided. In general, some information in the results that could be better incorporated in the introduction as it explains the authors' motivation for the work.
2) Similarly, the idea of homology between the amoeboid cells of choanoflagellates and animal amoeboid cells seems not well supported or at least no more than a potential homology of many eukaryotic amoeboid cells. This needs to be toned-down and/or discussed into the context of the potential ancestral eukaryotic feature. The same with the related idea that epithelial and crawling cells in animals differentiated by exploiting the switch from the flagellated to amoeboid stages that existed in unicellular opisthokonts.
Finally, the authors say that the switch between flagellated and crawling cells in choanoflagellates is triggered by particular size-related stress. However, it is difficult to imagine that animals evolved under such a type of stress. It may be interesting to discuss whether the authors have tried to see if alternative sources of stress induce transition to amoeboid states or, alternatively, discuss particular hypotheses about which kinds of stress might trigger this response. When discussing this, it may be worth considering an alternative: that choanoflagellates might be a side phylogenetic group having evolved specific characteristics and virtually lost amoeboid stages except for extreme situations like the ones shown here. The ancestor of metazoans would then had simply retained an ancestral (eukaryotic) capability to transition from flagellated to amoeboid states during the opisthokont life cycle without this capability being in any way related to volumetric stress but rather to particular environmental clues.
Overall, all these ideas should be discussed in the context of eukaryotic evolution and toning down the potential implications.
3) The authors use the standard definition of blebbing: actomyosin cortex breakage and healing concomitant with production of round protrusions devoid of actin. The paper provides insufficient data to support the claim that choanoflagellate cells defined as "amoeboid" based on the lack of microvilli undergo this form of blebbing. Providing additional examples and/or quantitative analyses of the data would strengthen the paper. Specifically:
a. Only a single cell with lifeact is shown (Fig. 2C, with what looks to be the same cell in Video 7). Additional examples would be welcome. However, this cell has high levels of septin overexpression: could this be interfering with the native phenotype? Fig. 3K looks very different from Fig. 2q. Is septin localizing to the membrane? The WT cells shown in P do not show cortical actin. It seems likely worthwhile repeating this experiment with lifeact but without septin overexpression. Additionally, linescans to quantitate the cortical actin levels before, during, and after cortical breakage would provide quantitative support, particularly with a membrane stain, or at the very least, the septin localization.
b. The phalloidin staining in Figures 2 and Figure 2-figure supplement 1 is not particularly convincing in terms of the presence of cortical actin. Why do the cells in Figure 2P and 2W look different? The additional examples also show weak actin staining.
c. Figure 2, Panels S and V show myosin staining which does not appear to be localized to the cortex. More than a single cell should be shown, along with quantitation by line scan analysis to support the claim of cortical localization. d. Definition of amoeboid seems problematic as many of the images show "amoeboid" cells with what look to be microvilli: 2C-K, 2U-W, 3A-F
e. The text describing the phalloidin staining is a bit circular as it assumes blebbing to interpret the staining patterns, but then uses the staining pattern as confirmation of blebbing.
4) The authors indicate that the actin in amoeboid choanoflagellates undergo retrograde flow. The authors show a single cell imaged with widefield fluorescence (Fig. 3 F-G, Video 9). Typically retrograde flow is visualized using TIRF microscopy to show the movement of individual actin filaments within a network. The data presented makes it difficult to evaluate whether this is the retraction of the entire cortical network, or flow of actin filaments within a network. To support a claim of retrograde flow, additional data and analysis should be provided. Moreover, the concept of retrograde flow in the context of blebbing motility needs to be explained more fully in the text.
5) The microtubule inhibition experiments involve treating cells for 36 hours with a non-standard microtubule inhibitor. Due to the possibility of off-target effects, the authors should repeat this experiment with a second microtubule inhibitor to cross-validate the result. A second, orthogonal approach would be to stain cells and look for anti-correlation between microtubule density and bleb formation.
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The work establishes that mouse osteocalcin is O-glycosylated at Ser-8, independently of processing and gamma-carboxylation. Human osteocalcin was found not to be O-glycosylated, but mutation to Ser-8 allowed that process to occur. If increased stability of osteocalcin in vitro as a result of O-glycosylation is real, it could be of interest. The paper was found to be well written with figures illustrating the findings. With that said, several key experiments are required that would considerably strengthen the conclusions. Notably, without information on the biological outcomes of O-glycosylation, the paper is seen to be of limited interest.
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1) Regarding the ELISA (ref. Ferron et al 2010b), capture antibodies can distinguish between carboxylated and non-carboxylated OCN. For the present work, it is essential that the authors show that OCN with or without O-glycosylation at Ser-8 is measured identically in this ELISA. The authors should specify what capture antibodies were used. This query applies also to data with human OCN and the Ser-8 mutant that is O-glycosylated. Furthermore, does the commercial ELISA kit measure glycosylated mutant and normal hOCN as identical?
2) Figs 3H-J show a statistically significant difference in levels of glycosylated and non-glycosylated mouse OCN. These experiments however do not measure "half life" as claimed in the title and abstract. The in vivo half life of injected O-glycosylated vs wt ucOCN should therefore be compared using timed estimations during the declining phase.
3) A feature of OCN that interested the authors was the remarkable difference in circulating amounts - more than 10 times higher in the mouse. This work appears to be part of a search for mechanisms to explain this, although they might consider that these are evolutionary changes, including the fact that there is only 65 % conservation of sequence between mouse and human , and the human OCN is not O-glycosylated, whereas the mouse OCN is. The biological significance of this difference in O-glycosylation thus needs to be established. While knocking-in a mutation to abolish O-glycosylation will provide the most definitive answer, the reviewers consider this not to be feasible during the pandemic. Therefore, at the very least, a cell-based assay should be used to compare biological activity. Examples are the dose-dependent increase in insulin mRNA in mouse pancreatic islets (Ferron. et al, PNAS 105: 5266, 2008). Very low dose ucOCN was shown in that work to promote insulin expression in islets in a dose-dependent manner. An alternative approach, arising from the same paper, would be to show at slightly higher doses, a dose-dependent increase in adiponectin expression in mouse adipocytes. The authors might have other possibilities of cell-based assay.
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The reviewers agree that the paper has been improved and is now easier to read. The findings were judged fascinating but there are still issues. The authors delineate a linear story (one pathway) but some elements could affect the system independently. The reviewers agree on a set of recommendations that should be addressed during the revision of the manuscript.
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1) Resistance to parasitoid wasp.
The authors provide an extremely important body of work. However, the reviewers have a concern about the physiological significance of the phenotype. It is appropriate to hypothesize that an increase in lamellocyte production will yield a more potent immune response against parasitoids, as seen in other Drosophila species (i.e. D. suzukii). However, genetic perturbation that increase lamellocyte numbers, or perturbs the immune system in any manner, does not necessarily mean that the immune response mounted will be successful. The authors should provide experiments monitoring resistance to parasitoid wasps when the pathway they discovered is perturbated. The should monitor the impact of feeding larvae on WOF on resistance and how disturbing Or49A, Gat and Ssadh affect resistance to parasitoid wasp.
2) RNAi effectivity and using one line.
The reviewers questioned the validity of the study as some results are based only one RNAi and their knockdown efficiencies were tested by using a ubiquitous and not in the actual tissues. They however recognize that the model is supported by the fact that they are testing different players affect the pathway. The reviewers however ask to repeat the experiments with Gat and Ssadh using another RNAi line to reinforce their conclusion.
3) Sima staining.
Figure 3: There are discrepancies in the Sima staining which put question into the specificity of this staining/back ground. For example, some LGs showed a punctate expression of Sima in the posterior part of the LG (Fig 3f, g, and h which is not seem in the other LGs). Pictures in Fig3b, k and m are not in agreement with quantifications in 3o. The same comment holds for Fig 3f-I and quantifications in j. Expression of Sima in lamellocyte is also not convincing. The specificity of the Sima antibody has to be checked. Sup Fig 7B is the difference in sima mRNA levels significant? The reviewers recommend to address this point or at least to prepare a supplementary figure showing replicated of the picture they use of their graph.
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This paper is an important extension of the authors' previous publication in eLife (Hawkins et al. 2017) that presented novel data suggesting that CO2/H+-mediated vasoconstriction in the brainstem retrotrapezoid nucleus (RTN) supports chemoreception by a purinergic-dependent mechanism. Here the investigators provide new data indicating that CO2/H+ dilates arterioles in other chemoreceptor regions (cNTS, raphe obscurus- ROb), thus suggesting that the CO2/H+ vascular reactivity in the RTN is unique compared to some other brain regions. The investigators significantly advance their previous work by applying a number of new experimental approaches to provide evidence that P2Y2 receptors in RTN vascular smooth muscle cells are responsible for the purinergic mechanism mediating the vascular reactivity and specifically contribute to RTN chemosensitivity. Importantly, pharmacological blockade or genetic deletion of P2Y2 from smooth muscle cells blunted the in vivo ventilatory response to CO2, and virally-driven re-expression of P2Y2 receptors in RTN smooth muscle cells rescued the ventilatory response to CO2, suggesting that these receptors are required for the normal ventilatory response to CO2. New pharmacological evidence is also presented that activation of RTN astrocytes is involved in purinergic signaling driving the RTN vasomotor responses. Overall these results advance the concept that specialized vasoreactivity to CO2/H+ in the RTN contributes to respiratory chemoreception.
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1) Although authors are given leeway in the format of a Research Advance, this paper would benefit from more structure including delineation of Introduction, Results, and Discussion sections. The manuscript would be substantially improved in particular by including a more thorough, dedicated Discussion section with explicit elaboration on limitations of their experimental methods and conclusions, and including discussion of how the important P2Y2 receptor knockout and re-expression experiments represent a fundamental advance considering that the authors had already implicated (although not completely established) these receptors in their previous publication.
2) Presentation of the RT-PCR data of purinergic receptor expression profiles can be improved, particularly by providing a more convincing validation of this data such as giving supplemental data of raw numbers for GAPDH levels across areas to prove that GAPDH actually is a valid reference. The authors could also use 3-4 such genes as many investigators do for expression profile calibration. The reviewers note that for the argument it is not necessarily that important how the levels of receptors look in relation to a house keeping gene, but whether P2Y2 is the only receptor which is relatively highly expressed in RTN smooth muscle cells compared to other regions. Looking at Fig. 1B, it seems that relative to the two other areas, P2X1, P2X4 and P2Y14 are also much higher in RTN smooth muscle cells compared to NTS. The reviewers agree that an important aspect is the remarkably low expression of P2Y2 in endothelium which in theory should oppose constriction by possibly releasing NO.
3) Additional information on measurements of vascular diameters would be useful. Have the authors obtained measurements from multiple vessels at each time point in the chosen field(s) of view for individual experiments? If so, how do such measurements compare to the representative single vessel measurements for a given experiment presented in the figures? How many vessels per experiment are included in the group summary data? Please explain more completely why it was necessary to induce a 20-30% vasoconstriction by the thromboxane A2 receptor agonist before the measurements.
4) Some additional validation of the specificity of the AAV2 used for the P2Y2 re-expression experiments would be helpful since this is not a well characterized virus and may lead to receptor overexpression. Additional nice clear images with proper co-localization would be good to see and additional details about non-smooth muscle cell expression should be provided.
5) The experiments showing unstable breathing in vivo produced by injecting a thromboxane A2 receptor agonist vasoconstrictor (U46119) into the cNTS and ROb under conditions of mild hypercapnia (2-3% inspired CO2) are intriguing, but these experiments lack the proper control of U46119 injections into the cNTS and ROb under normocapnic conditions to determine if this alters blood pressure and produces breathing instabilities independent of any "gain-up" of RTN activity. It would also be of interest to know whether the authors have tested if larger instabilities occur with cNTS/ROb vasoconstriction at higher levels of hypercapnia.
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Garcia-Marcos et al describe a method to study the activity of heterotrimeric G-proteins. These switches are usually activated via GPCRs and play very important roles in cellular signalling. Investigating their function is often difficult. Therefore the authors have designed an optogenetic tool that activates Gi proteins by blue light based on an engineered LOV2 domain. They demonstrate that activation is specific and that the dark state has a much lower affinity than the light state. The optimization is quite impressive. Overall, this is an interesting and useful tool but some experimental verifications are required.
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1) Figure 1 shows binding of the G protein to permanently on or off mutant versions of LOV2GIV. Since the G protein is purified, abundant and bound to GST-LOV2GIV, why is it not visible in the ponceau S stained gel?
2) This figure needs additional controls. Is the interaction with WT LOV2GIV induced by light as shown in the cartoon? Does the interaction lead to increased GTP binding, as shown in the cartoon? Is the binding blocked by GIV residues known to be important for G protein binding as shown in the cartoon structure? Whether or not these controls have been used in the past, they should be done here as well for this particular fusion.
3) Figure 2A shows binding association (not dissociation as indicated) for the same constructs as in Figure 1. Figure 2B shows GTP hydrolysis but the function of GIV is to stimulate GTP binding, which is just as easy to measure. Again, this figure needs additional controls to show that it is activated by light and relies on key residues.
4) Figures 3 and 4 shows G protein activation in yeast and HEK293 cells. GIV leads to increased GTP binding but the cell assays do not measure G-alpha-GTP signaling but rather measure release of G-beta-gamma. A direct assay for G-alpha-GTP should be used. The yeast legend and figure do not match and the yeast assays in Figure 3 and 4 use different readouts when both could be used in parallel. A single concentration of a single agonist as a reference is not sufficient when the authors could easily do a concentration-response experiment with an antagonist as a negative control.
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This current study builds on previous work from the same group published in eLife. This past work focused on the mechanism that renders lateral line hair cells of pappaa mutants more susceptible to the ototoxin neomycin. This work found that mitochondrial dysfunction was the underlying cause for neomycin susceptibility. This current study expands on the previous work and suggests that not only defects in mitochondria, but also the ER are involved in neomycin susceptibility. The authors use a variety of approaches including TEM, live imaging, pharmacology and RT-qPCR in their present study. Using TEM the authors show that mitochondria - ER associated are more numerous. Furthermore, similar to disrupting mitochondrial calcium pharmacologically, disrupting ER calcium also renders Pappaa-deficient hair cells more susceptible to neomycin. The authors suggest that this ER dysfunction manifests in several ways. They use live imaging to show that in pappaa mutants hair cells are unable to properly package neomycin into autosomes. In addition, via RT-qPCR they show that pappaa mutants have an increased unfolded protein response (UPR). Currently the relationship between all of these pathological issues is unclear, but this work does reveal additional mechanisms that could render loss of Pappaa detrimental to hair cell health. Although the work is well written and presented and statistically sound, there are several experiments that are needed to strengthen the claims presented in this study.
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1) Location of TEM micrographs in hair cell. The morphology of organelles can vary based on location within the cell. For example, in hair cells the ER near the nucleus can be distinct from the ER present near the contacts made with efferent neurons or afferent neurons. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1430341/; https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/jphysiol.2013.267914).
Can the authors indicate what direction the sections (apical-basal or transverse) were taken, where in the hair cells are the sections were taken and how they determined this location?
2) Quantification of mitochondrial fragmentation. It is clear from the TEM cross sections that the mitochondria in hair cells (Figure 3 A) are quite different between pappaa mutants and controls. Whether there are mitochondria or ER networks are present is not apparent from these TEM images. Nor is it entirely clear that the networks are fragmented. The authors use plugins developed for confocal imaging to estimate fragmentation base on circularity and area/perimeter measurement. It is unclear if these measurement translate to hair cells or TEM. In addition to fragmentation in TEM images, the fragmented mitochondria in pappaa mutants are also hard to see in the live, max-projected mitoTimer images.
The mitochondrial networks and fragmentation may be clearer or be better quantified by acquiring super resolution images of hair cells labeled with mitoTracker. In addition, it is possible that the fragmentation may also be visible or more convincing in movies of Z-stacks of mitoTracker label compared to in the max-projected images provided.
3) Examination of hair cell ER morphology. The previous work on Pappaa in zebrafish hair cells focused extensively on the mitochondria while the currently study the shifted the focus to the hair cell ER. While the ER-mito distances are convincing, a more wholistic picture of the amount or distribution of the ER in wildtype and mutant is lacking.
This could be accomplished either using a transgenic line that labels the ER or a KDEL antibody (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007406/).
4) It qualitatively appears that pappaa mutant hair cells are taking up a greater quantity of fluorescent Neo faster than WT i.e. the fluorescent intensity is greater in more hair cells. Did the authors quantify Neo-TR uptake?
5) Specificity of the pharmacological treatments. The authors perform numerous pharmacological experiments to disturb ER calcium. The authors suggest that that their pharmacological manipulations trigger hair cell death due to the alteration in the interplay between ER/mito calcium in hair cells. What concentration of either of these drugs does it take to kill WT hair cells? Dose-response curves comparing WT and mutant would help support the idea that hair-cell death observed is a direct effect of the drugs on hair-cell ER-mitochondria calcium signaling.
Pharmacology is non-cell autonomous and the authors do not present evidence that these compounds specifically impact hair cell ER or mitochondrial calcium. Alternatively, these compound could impact supporting cell ER (https://elifesciences.org/articles/52160) as well as the ER in the innervating afferent or efferent neurons.
More direct evidence show that hair cell mitochondria or ER calcium (measurements using mitoGCaMP such as in the previous study) are impacted by these treatments would make the author's claims more compelling.
6) The disconnect between IGFR1 and results in the current study. The identify and location of IGFR1 and the IGFBP are still undefined in this system and therefore it remains unclear exactly how IGRR1 or Pappaa impact sensory hair cells. In previous work on pappaa mutants (enhanced startle response, defects in photoreceptor synapse formation, defects in hair cell mitochondria) the role of IGFR1 in these processes was validated. In the current study, the link with IGFR1 is implied throughout.
It is true that the relationship between IGFR1 and Pappa is well characterized and that currently the only known substrates of Pappa are IGFBPs. Despite this work, it is still possible that given the range of phenotypes in pappaa mutants, that Pappa has other protein substrates that have not yet been identified, or other has biological functions unrelated to the IGF system.
To verify IGFR1 in this current study the authors could use NB1-31772 to stimulate IGF1 bioavailability and test whether this rescues either the autophagy or UPR defects in pappaa mutants. Being able to rescue these phenotypes also makes the study more compelling.
7) The authors state that there is not more spontaneous hair cell death in pappaa mutants compared to controls (line 443). Previous work has shown in zebrafish that Usher mutants (cdh23, ush1c, myo7a) also have an early UPR (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007406/). Similar to pappaa mutants usher mutants have the same # of hair cells compared to controls, indicating no spontaneous hair cell death. But interestingly Usher mutants do have more TUNEL positive hair cells compared to controls, indicating that more hair cells in Usher mutants are in the process of apoptosis. Based on this new finding implicating the UPR response in pappaa mutants, could pappaa mutants, similar to hair cells in Usher mutants be more fragile (neomycin susceptible) as they are more likely to be in the process of apoptosis? A TUNEL label in pappaa mutants could reveal this. In addition, this paper on UPR in Usher mutant hair cells could be a useful paper to add to the discussion.
8) Line 445-451: "Together, these findings suggest that Pappaa may regulate ER-mitochondria associations by promoting ER homeostasis. It is important to note that the ER and mitochondria are engaged in a constant feedback loop." This line of reasoning seems rather circular, considering that the previous study showed Pappaa regulates mitochondrial function. If mitochondrial function is impaired, it seems likely that ER homeostasis would be disrupted as well.
9) Methods: Overall, the methods section needs more detail. All experiments that were not previously performed by the author or the author's lab should have a concise description of what the authors did next to the reference (e.g. fish were imaged under Lab-Tek Chambered Coverglass (Fisher Scientific) where they were immobilized under a nylon mesh and two stainless-steel slice hold-downs (Warner Instruments) per Stawicki et al, 2014) A detailed description of how individual pappaa170 larvae used in experiments were genotyped is needed. A comprehensive description of how mitochondrial circularity was measured using the "mitochondrial morphology" plug-in in ImageJ is needed.
10) Statistics: how did the authors determine the power of the experiments were sufficient to avoid Type I and Type II error?
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The manuscript entitled "Increasing heart vascularisation using brain natriuretic peptide stimulation of endothelial and WT1+ epicardial cells" by Li et al. reports data of myocardial angiogenesis in mice subjected to experimental myocardial infarction. The study indicates that repeated intraperitoneal injections of synthetic BNP or oral treatment with Entresto, a drug inhibiting neprilysin-mediated degradation of the endogenous natriuretic peptides, possibly improves cardiac vascularization after ischemia.
Microvascular dysfunction after acute myocardial infarction (MI) is a major clinical problem. Although primary percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) has markedly improved patients' survival, despite epicardial reperfusion more than 30% of patients show signs of microvascular dysfunction leading to adverse left ventricular remodeling and heart failure. Impaired angiogenesis can contribute to myocardial tissue damage. Based on experimental studies, several clinical trials aimed to improve myocardial angiogenesis via intracoronary administration of vascular growth factors, gene transfer or bone marrow mononuclear cells, in patients who had successful primary PCI, but the results were disappointing. A better knowledge of the cellular pathways regulating myocardial (re)perfusion after ischemia is necessary to search for therapeutic strategies capable to restore the microvascular network and flow. The here presented study aimed to elucidate whether B-type natriuretic peptide (BNP) can improve myocardial postischemic angiogenesis in as well as the potential pharmacological, therapeutic implications. Hence, this experimental, „preclinical" study addresses an important, clinically relevant question.
Overall this study follows a very original question. But it includes many different data sets in somehow incomplete way, many of them generated with "NMC". It would benefit a lot by concentrating in a clean way on some concrete aspects. Mechanistic studies should be preferentially conducted with sorted or cultured endothelia instead of a mixed cell population (NMC, containing fibroblasts, pericytes, inflammatory cells, besides endothelial cells).
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1) Certain parts of the study should be completed. For example, why don't the authors present a fine and extensive analysis of cardiac function in animals treated with BNP? In the same way, the authors should complement their experimental approaches with an analysis of all parameters of cardiac remodeling and in particular infarct size and interstitial fibrosis.
2) Conversely, the authors made the effort to analyze cardiac function in animals treated with LCZ696 (Figure 9). However, there is no statistical analysis of these data? or the differences are not significant? in this case, what is the interest of a treatment that increases capillary density without modifying cardiac function? It is however likely that an analysis of cardiac function beyond 10 days post-MI could give significantly different results.
3) The authors should analyze whether or not LCZ696 directly stimulates the proliferation of resident mature endothelial cells and/or that of WT1+ cells.
4) Results, page 5, para 1: the authors state that "first they determined whether ip BNP acted directly or indirectly on cardiac cells". But there is no single data set in this manuscript allowing to conclude that the observed effects are directly derived from endothelial actions of BNP. As they mention before, BNP acts on many types of cells and organs, and the observed effects could also be "indirect".
5) Results, page 5, para 3: plasma cGMP levels are a poor index of cardiac actions of BNP. It would be more meaningful to measure cardiac cGMP levels.
6) Results, page 5, para 4: it is strange to use the phosphorylation of phospholamban (PLB) as index of BNP activity. This manuscript focuses on angiogenesis. PLB is a regulatory protein in cardiomyocytes. Where is the link to endothelial regeneration?
7) Page 6, top: BNP increased phosphorylation of PLB by nearly 200-fold in "non-myocyte cells" from the heart. Which cells are these? Is this fraction contaminated by cardiomyocytes? Which non-myocytes have such high PLB levels?
8) How were BNP plasma levels in BNP versus vehicle treated mice after MI? Did Entresto increase BNP plasma levels and to what extend?
9) Most in vitro and ex vivo studies were performed with NMCs. How many endothelial cells are contained in such heterogenous populations?
10) Some basic parameters are missing: how did BNP administration affect cardiac contractile functions as well as the infarct area and area at risk? Did exogenous BNP lower arterial blood pressure?
11) Page 9: how does BNP, via NPR-A/cGMP-signaling, increase MAPK pp38? What is the signaling pathway and do the authors have any hint that this signaling pathway was also activated by BNP in vivo (in endothelial cells in situ)?
12) Page 11 presents a section entitled "Increased vascularization in infarcted hearts after LCZ696 treatment". But in the corresponding Figure 9, there is no single data set showing „statistically significant effects of entresto". The figure just shows some preliminary data and trends obtained with very few mice.
13) Figure 1C: it is surprising that the basal levels of pPLB were so low (-). Normally, after MI in mice the endogenous ventricular expression levels of ANP and BNP significantly raise. Was there a difference in pPLB between sham and MI mice (vehicle treatments)?
14) Figure 1D: which types of non-myocyte cells express such high pPLB levels and what is the functional meaning?
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Overall this is an interesting paper whose ssRNA seq dataset and experimental analysis of phenotypes provides a valuable resource for investigating gene expression differences associated with key phases of skin development and repair. The enhancement of HF regeneration upon Lef1 overexpression is a striking result and will be of general interest to many fields including developmental, stem cell, and epithelial biologists. The work is well conducted, the results are new, and significant for skin wound healing and HF regeneration, and in sum a good fit for eLife.
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The overall tone of all reviewers is enthusiastic and favorable, however with very important points raised:
1) Dermo1-Cre seems not specific to fibroblasts (and it is non-inducible). Ideally this should be addressed by using an inducible/more specific Cre mouse line. However, as the enhancement of HF regeneration is an exciting finding by itself and a new mouse model is likely out of scope of a revision, this point could be addressed textually by changing the conclusions to reference stromal cells instead of fibroblasts specifically.
2) The interpretation of the scRNA data should be bolstered with additional analyses. It is important for the authors to revisit the data and figures (including making some improved analysis), and carefully state the actual results and conclusions supporting their claims and following next steps in the manuscript.
a) ScRNA-seq analysis was superficial in relation to regeneration versus repair, especially comparison of the time points that model regeneration and scarring. Does velocity analysis predicting Lef1, or other genes, driving differentiation of one population of fibroblasts into a papillary fibroblast or DP-like state? Do multiple fibroblast subsets follow this trajectory? How do these finding compare between the two wounding time points? Does gene ontology suggest differences within one subcluster of fibroblasts between two conditions or are the major differences in the gene expression profile/function associated with each subcluster? A more complete analysis of this could shed more light on the involvement of fibroblast lineages in regenerative versus reparative healing.
b) From the ssRNA seq analysis the authors state "we identify Developing papillary fibroblasts as a transient cell population that is defined by Lef1 expression.", but this is not clear from the ssRNA seq analysis. In Figure S2, Lef1 expression seems to be largely excluded from cells within the Dpp4 expression cluster (cluster 2), and Dkk1 (Cluster 0), which define the major papillary FB clusters. Can the authors expand upon how the Velocity Analysis identifies different genes than overlaying relative expression levels on the UMAPS?
3) Surrounding the claim of a transient papillary fibroblast population (which is an important part in their paper), several parts are unclear;
I.e. they could/should explore the fibroblast populations of all conditions to compare regeneration vs scaring and regeneration vs development (e.g. R2Q2, R3Q5).
Which of the two papillary fibroblast population(s) is/are transient? How to explain the rather minor overlap of Lef1 expression with these two papillary fib populations? Where are the two populations in situ in developing and in regenerating skin?
4) Given that the WIHN generates a significant amount of cysts, the authors have to down-tone their statement of "without adverse phenotype". As the authors also refer to Hedgehog-pathway induced de novo HF formation (a model giving rise to tumors and new HFs), they likely meant that their model does not induce apparent tumors (the cysts look different compared to the obvious BCC-like lesions trough Hh-pathway activation) - however the authors totally neglect the fact (don't mention) that the mice apparently develop cysts in addition to HFs in wounds.
Figure 5e,g,j. The regenerated HFs appear very abnormal and cyst-like. The authors state several times in the paper that Lef1 overexpression enhances regeneration without other adverse phenotypes, but these regenerated structure are very abnormal. Are they cancerous? P90 wounds appear to generate a significant amount of cysts; is this representative for all conditions or something more specific for the P90 timepoint?
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This manuscript uncovers an unexpected role for myogenin in muscle stem/progenitor cells in adult zebrafish. Further analysis of a previously characterised mutant makes novel contributions to the field of muscle growth. The authors show that Myog helps keep MuSCs quiescent and provide mechanistic insights into how Myog controls MuSC activation. Intriguingly, their work suggests that Myog mutants have increased differentiation markers compared to wild-type siblings. They also offer new models for MuSC positioning within a fiber.
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1) In their previous publication (Ganassi 2018), the authors showed that the differentiation index of cultured adult myoblasts does not differ between WT and myog-/-, but in the current study myog mutant cells show a much higher degree of differentiation compared to their wild-type siblings. Please clarify why these findings differ.
2) The authors claim that the pax7a:GFP+VE cells represent bona fide MuSCs, which can only be determined by co-label of GFP and an anti Pax7 (or Anti Pax3+7) antibody. Although the authors do provide this co-label in one panel, they only show one cell per genotype. Please provide quantification of how often the GFP+VE cells are also positive for the anti-Pax3/7 antibody. Unless this co-label is extremely common in both genotypes, or confirmed in each experiment, the authors should soften their language abut the GFP expressing cells being verified MuSCs.
3) Related to the previous point: The authors show that MPCs behave differently in culture and although they show increased pax7a and pax7b expression they also express higher levels of differentiation markers and enter terminal differentiation. This is puzzling and inconsistent with the reduced number of myonuclei and smaller myofibres that are seen in the mutant fish. Furthermore, it is not clear how the increased number of MuSCs per fibre is reached. A plausible explanation for both observations (fewer myonuclei/smaller fibres & more MPCs), is that these cells are myocytes that do not fuse efficiently. The authors raise this possibility in the discussion, however, this should be better assessed and either excluded or supported.
4) The surface area domain size measurement in Figure 1 is a strange proxy for myonuclear domain. which is best thought of as a volume, as shown in Figure 2. However, figure 2 omits all pax7:GFP+VE cells, some of which may have fused recently enough to retain their GFP label. Please replace the SADS calculation in Figure 1 with a volumetric calculation. This will be important for interpreting and comparing the two findings.
5) Culture of mononucleated MPCs from plated fibres was used to investigate whether lack of Myog enhanced MPC proliferation. The relative proliferation rates were not significantly different, however, EdU pulse experiments suggest that mutant MPC are more readily entering S-phase. Overall the authors suggest that lack of myog accelerates MuSC transition into the proliferation phase. At present this is not supported convincingly. Indeed, the data shows reduced proliferation and AUC (4E) in mutants. An additional EdU pulse at an earlier time after plating (day 1) should be included to potentially strengthen this idea. Alternatively the statement should be modified and toned down.
6) The authors want to assess whether there is an earlier onset of differentiation of MPCs in culture. However, they only show expression of mef2d and mylpfa at day 3 (Fig 4H) and day 2 should be included here as well. Overall the differentiation index of MPCs is increased, can they comment on whether the cells remain mononucleated.
7) In the discussion the paragraph (292 ff) regarding the niche is very speculative and should be toned down/amended. In particular, (Line 318) the conclusion that that Myog is required for assembly of the MTJ MuSC:niche complex is not well supported, there are no MTJ markers shown.
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Sando et al. extend on previous work by the same lab to delineate the neuronal mechanisms that control UV-light / ROS suppression of feeding and evoked spitting behaviors. They provide a nice characterization of pharyngeal behaviors that are involved in feeding and spitting, showing that upon UV-light stimulation feeding pumps are modulated to evoke spitting instead. M1 neurons are central to the spitting reflex; they sense light, integrate inputs from light sensitive I2 and I4 neurons and transmit the information to the anterior pharyngeal muscles pm1/2 and the anterior part of pm3. The conceptual advances of this paper are twofold:
1) The hourglass circuit motif as a means to transform ingestion movements into spits.
2) Local activation of pm3 muscles via a compartmentalized calcium signal that ensures opening of only the anterior part of the alimentary tract.
Most of the behavioral experiments are well done and the paper could be of potential interest to a broad audience. However, the reviewers raised some concerns that should be addressed prior to publication in eLife.
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1) A major concern is that all three reviewers are not convinced that the data presented here support the conclusion of local calcium dynamics in the anterior pm3 muscles. Since this is one of the major aspects of this study, it is essential to provide more experimental evidence. The authors used a pan-pharyngeal driver to express GCaMP. The imaging resolution seems not good enough to distinguish calcium transients in pm1/2/3 and the most straight forward interpretation of the results is that the anterior calcium transients are derived from pm1/2 but not pm3. It seems otherwise to rest on the claim that pm3 is sufficient for spitting and that, in the absence of pm1/2, local contraction of pm3 is the only way to hold the valve open during expulsion. Same for Fig 4F.
To substantiate the claim, these experiments should be repeated using a pm3 specific driver.
Alternatively, if pm3 specific drivers are not available, the experiments could be repeated upon laser ablation of pm1/2, to ensure that the signals are indeed specifically derived from pm3.
Perhaps, if imaging resolution and interference by emission light scattering permits, an overlay of a good DIC with GCaMP fluorescence may settle this more easily since pm3 stops at the base of the buccal cavity whereas pm1/2 line the cavity.
Individual recording traces of the different regions along with ethograms of the pharyngeal behaviors should be shown.
2) The authors use a calcium imaging assay in immobilized worms to record UV-light evoked muscle activity- and pharyngeal neuron activity. While pumping and spitting behaviors occur at a frequency of up to 5Hz in the behavioral assays (e.g. Fig 1D,E), calcium dynamics in muscle and neurons were observed at 1-2 orders of magnitude slower (e.g. Fig 1 H,I; Fig 4H-M). However, the authors state that these dynamics would match well the time-scale at which light evoked pumps are observed. This is confusing. While it is possible that pharyngeal neurons encode the rate of pumping/spitting, muscle activity should correspond to the motor rhythms.
What is the pumping rate under the imaging/immobilization conditions? Do the animals spit? The behaviors under imaging conditions need to be better characterized and documented.
Individual traces should be shown throughout (like Fig 4H), importantly next to ethograms of pharyngeal behaviors.
The image acquisition rate should be stated in the methods? Was this also 2Hz like the flickering rate?
Only with this information at hand it is possible to properly interpret the imaging results. Are the measurements convoluted by low acquisition rate and slow on/off kinetics of GCaMP, or do light evoked pharyngeal behaviors occur at such a slow frequency in immobilized worms?
3) The purported movements of the metastomal filter appear to be based solely on the observation of particle flow with a particular concentration and size of beads. At times this may be misleading. For example, the authors report that 25% of normal pumps are associated with openings of the metastomal filter. However, it is possible that the beads do not always become jammed in the buccal cavity, even if the metastomal flaps remain in position. Direct imaging of the metastomal flaps would address this question; if this is not possible the limitations of the assay should at least be acknowledged.
4) The opening of the metastomal flaps during spitting is interpreted as a "rinsing" of its mouth "in response to a bad taste". This interpretation is problematic since the animal is "rinsing" its mouth with the same particles that have presumably induced the spitting. It would make more sense if the animal increased rather than decreased selectivity of the metastomal filter; this would allow water to enter the pharynx while excluding potentially toxic particles. If the authors insist in their interpretation they should at least discuss this issue.
5) Line 183 - What is the basis for believing the sufficiency of pm3 is based on "contraction of a subcellular region"? And Line 188 - where is this "uncoupling" shown? There are few figures/data here. Is it deduced that this must be so because the pharyngeal valve is open while the lumen closes during spitting? Is local contraction of pm3 the only possible explanation for this? In the WT condition, for example, could pm1 and/or pm2 contraction overcome a global relaxation of pm3 to hold the valve upen during lumen closing? Although spitting apparently persists after ablation of pm1/pm2, these events should be documented in the same detail as WT events to demonstrate that pm3 is truly sufficient for "normal" spitting (i.e. continued pumping of lumen while the valve and filter are held open, local Ca++ events in anterior portion of pm3). This section seems to take a leap to a precise muscle mechanism based only on the ablation.
6) At the cellular level, the authors note that calcium waves in muscle can cause local contraction patterns that lead to peristalsis, but that their observations seem to be of a different kind in terms of spatial and temporal patterning (long sustained local Ca++/contraction in one domain while rhythmic Ca/contraction occur in another domain). How input strength might create such a pattern is difficult to envision, given the simplicity of the M1 pm3 innervation pattern. What is the proposed cellular mechanism here?
7) Figure 4J-L: these panels lack quantifications. Please show also individual traces; is the little initial bump in lite-1 mutants' response consistent across multiple recordings? Is the reduction in lite-1;gur-3 statistically significant?
Why is this initial transient signal so much stronger when gur-3 is expressed in I2 in the double mutants (Fig 5D)?
8) Line 422-424: this statement is not supported by data in Fig 6B-F; only I4 ablated animals show a robust defect and there is no synergistic effect in the double ablation.
9) Fig 6G: this result lacks quantifications. Appropriate statistics should be performed. Show also individual traces.
10) Line 210 - "data not shown"... the correlation between spatially-restricted contraction / Ca++ signals and spitting is a central claim of the paper...it needs to be quantitatively documented in a figure.
11) Line 104 - Is the experimenter blinded to strain/condition? If not, what steps were taken to detect or correct experimenter bias? This is a major pitfall of manual behavior coding.
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This work describes a novel approach to address the important and still open question of the extent of negative selection in cancer and the potential implications. The authors use data from the catalogue of somatic mutations (COSMIC) and a straightforward approach comparing synonymous, nonsynonymous and nonsense mutation counts to separate genes into Oncogenes, Tumor suppressors and Essential genes. The authors conclude that negative selection plays an important role during tumor evolution.
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The reviewers agreed that this work is timely and relevant, but also agreed that there are several important aspects that need revision/improvement before it can be accepted for publication in eLife.
Structure of the paper:
1) The reviewers agreed that there are various aspects of the structure of the paper that require especial attention. The introduction is a bit lengthy and very focused. It introduces different questions, e.g. hallmarks, prediction of oncogenes and tumor suppressors, prediction of selection, etc and it reads like multiple introductions to different articles. Many parts (e.g. the discussion of cancer hallmarks) could be shortened substantially, which would make it easier to read the paper. One suggestion is to mainly introduce the models of cancer evolution with respect to the SNVs and indels, and the different models and limitations in the estimation of negative selection in cancer and why it is difficult to detect, see e.g. (Zapata et al. 2018, Lopez et al. 2020, Tilk et al. 2019).
2) Additionally, it will be important to include citations to previous work on the detection of negative selection in cancer that has been omitted. For example, in Line 353 they should add the work from (Zapata et al. 2018, Van den Eynden et al. 2017, Martincorena et al. 2017, Pyatnitskiy et al. 2015).
3) Both reviewers agreed that the Results section is repetitive and unbalanced with respect to the Methods section. The work would benefit from streamlining the Results part and moving details to the Methods section.
4) Regarding the discussion, it is also very lengthy and lack focus. The authors should make clearer the main results and take-home messages from their work. At the moment, this is not very clear.
5) For simplicity and to improve readability of the manuscript, it was suggested that the authors focus on 2 standard deviation through the manuscript, instead of describing repetitively the results with 1SD and 2SD.
6) Regarding the presentation of the results, the reviewers suggested to redesign the figures in such a way that they describe the methodological approach, present the major results of their analysis, and show a comparison of these results with previous methods, and lastly (currently as a table) show the association between the identified genes and the hallmarks of cancer.
Comparisons with previous studies:
7) One of the problems with the present work raised by the reviewers is that the authors did not performed sufficient comparisons of their results with previous studies. The authors used a seemingly simple approach to measure selection, dividing fractions of frequencies of different mutation classes by each other, with relatively arbitrary cutoffs, e.g. 1 or 2 standard deviations from the mean, to define gene sets. The manuscript does not show the advantages of this method over previous approaches. The authors should clearly show that there is an advantage of their approach by comparing with previous approaches.
8) The authors should also compare their results with previous publications. One of them, which is cited in the manuscript, is Weghorn & Sunyaev. In fact, this work seems to be misquoted. The authors claim that Weghorn & Sunyaev "identified 147 genes with strong negative selection" (line 371), but that study in fact found very few genes under significant negative selection (<10 applying a q-value cutoff of 0.1) and Weghorn & Sunyaev concluded that "the signal of negative selection is very subtle". Zapata et al 2018 identified stronger signals of negative selection. The identified genes and functions were partly the same as in the here presented work (eg GLUT1). The authors should compare their results to these and other previous results.
9) Furthermore, there is recent evidence that correcting for mutational signatures and nucleotide-context composition has a large impact when quantifying selection (see e.g. Zapata et al. 2018, van den Eynden et al. 2017, Martincorena et al, 2017), and this is a relevant aspect in the current lines of discussion in the context of negative selection in tumor evolution (see for example Van den Eynden et al. Nature Genetics. 2019). The authors should show that their main observations hold when the mutational signatures and/or trinucleotide context is taken into account.
10) Related to this, the authors described a clustering-based method to detect genes that deviate from an average proportion of mutations (nonsynonymous, nonsense and synonymous) to infer selection. However, by only using the observed mutations (nonsyn, syn, nonsense), the underlying base-pair composition is ignored. Genes that have a high likelihood of acquiring nonsense mutations will show a deviation from the rest of the genes due to their composition and not due to selection. The authors should recalculate their metrics by performing this correction before reaching the conclusion on the number and identity of the genes.
Use of controls:
11) The reviewers also indicated the lack of sufficient controls. To improve the robustness of their method, it was suggested to assess the results after varying several of the conditions. For instance, to circumvent the limitation of the lack of mutations to detect negative selection, the authors study only transcripts with more than 100 mutations. The authors should compare their results using different cut-offs for the minimum number of mutations (50,100,500), and check the performance of their method and whether their results are robust.
12) Other variations that the authors should consider is to stratify data based on tumor type and mutation burden, since mixing samples with different evolutionary histories might confound the signal of negative selection. As an additional control, a reviewer suggested to perform the same analyses using the germline mutations to separate the genes into cancer specific or cell essential.
13) An additional control to be performed by the authors was related to the origin of the mutations. The file CosmicMutantExport.tsv contains both mutation data from targeted and genome- / exome-wide screens. Targeted data should be excluded (if the authors didn't do so already). Otherwise their analysis will be highly biased towards well characterized cancer genes.
Statistical tests:
14) The reviewers also agreed that there is a general lack of statistical tests in the results. For instance, "the mean parameters of TSGs differ markedly from those of passenger genes in that rNS and rNM values are higher" (line 529), but these comparisons should be done with appropriate statistical tests to assess the significance. Similar tests should be performed throughout the manuscript.
15) A very interesting idea in the paper highlighted by the reviewers is that by combining their proposed metrics they can differentiate between oncogenes and tumor suppressors. It would be convenient to have a visual interpretation on how different genes can be only oncogenic, only tumor suppressors, or both, depending on which sites are hit. It is important to note though that similar classifiers have been developed (Schroeder et al. 2014), so it would strengthen the claims of the study to provide a comparison with those methods.
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Reviewer #3
The focus of the manuscript by Nicolas-Boluda et al. is timely as it has been shown by this team and by others that dense collagen fibers and other features of the matrix architecture surrounding tumors may form a barrier for T cell infiltration into solid tumors. Despite the authors' claims, however, the data in this manuscript fall short of definitively demonstrating that response to anti-PD-1 therapy and T cell migration into tumors is improved upon reduction of collagen cross-linking. I have a number of concerns that would require additional substantive experiments to be adequately addressed. Below I list major and minor points that should be addressed before further consideration for publications.
Major points:
1) BAPN is used as a covalent inhibitor of LOX activity however the authors provide no evidence that the drug is having the expected effects in vivo. In order to draw specific conclusions about these studies the authors would need to provide measurements of collagen cross-links (DHLNL, PYP, DPD).
2) Imbalance between the mechanical characterization of multiple tumor models with little space for defining the effect of tumor stiffness on anti-PD-1 efficacy and T cell distribution, motility and activation.
3) Rationale for selected tumor models relative to human tumors was unclear.
4) Sample sizes, # independent experiments and statistical analyses were inadequate across multiple figures.
5) Measurements of stiffness, collagen structure and T cell speed should be provided for all treatment conditions (control, LOXi, PD1i and combo) rather than just for LOX inhibition.
6) Lox inhibition was performed in a preventive setting. Do the authors think LOX inhibition would be as effective in changing tumor stiffness and matrix architecture if the treatment started at the same time point as anti-PD-1?
7) In Figure 1 the correlation of tissue stiffness/collagen accumulation with tumor volume in clinical samples should be provided in order to attribute collagen cross-linking to tumor progression.
8) The efficacy data in Figure 6 should be accompanied by survival data.
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In this manuscript, the authors provide a thorough analysis of the ECM architecture and stiffness in 4 murine tumor models. They then attempt to correlate ECM architecture and mechanics with T-cell migration and PD-1 efficacy. Substantive concerns are as follows:
1) The study is highly correlative with inadequate sample size to be conclusive. The authors attempts to draw conclusions about when stiffness does and doesn't affect migration by attempting to interpret data across 4 very different tumor types. In two tumors the migration changes with BAPN and with 2 it does not. It is not possible to draw a conclusion based on 2 points.
2) Data regarding the relationship between collagen organization and stiffness has been reported previously (as cited by the authors).
3) Sirius Red staining is referred to and described in the text but no images are shown. Likewise, no SWE images are provided to show the relative heterogeneity described in the text. This is important since so much of the conclusions rests on this data.
4) The results section discussing figure 1 emphasizes heterogeneity in stiffness, however none of the data shown depict spatial stiffness heterogeneities.
5) The rationale for the choice of cancer models is not clear.
6) Why is mPDAC measured and reported differently in figure 2A than the other tumor types?
7) Why is 40kPa chosen as the cut-off for "stiff?"
8) Mean-squared displacement is the more appropriate metric to describe cell path (and more conventional) rather than "straightness"
9) How many cells were studied for each parameter in each condition in Table 2?
10) The authors study migration of cells on slices, but isn't the more appropriate metric to study cell invasion into the tissue?
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In their article entitled "Tumor stiffening reversion through collagen crosslinking inhibition improves T cell migration and anti-PD-1 treatment" Alba Nicolas-Boluda and co-authors analyze the stiffness and collagen distribution in different tumor models implanted in mice. They show that treatment with an inhibitor of collagen crosslinking modifies the collagen network in these tumors and that this correlates with changes in their stiffness. They then analyze the motility of T cells in the different models and show that this motility is modified by the treatment and correlates with the stiffness of the tumor. In the last part of their study, the authors show that treatment of the mice with the inhibitor of collagen crosslinking changes the immune infiltrates in the tumors characterized by a more abundant presence of CD8+ T cells. They finally show that interfering with collagen stabilization leads to increased efficacy of anti-PD-1 blockade on tumor growth.
Relevance of the study: T cells are excluded from a large proportion of solid tumor. This represents an obstacle to T-cell-based immunotherapies. The authors make the hypothesis that this can be, at least partly, due to the organization of the ECM in the tumor that would oppose physical resistance to the infiltration and migration of T cells. The results are sound and important for the community since 1) they describe thoroughly some of the mechanical aspects of several models used in the literature, 2) they thoroughly analyzed the effect of an inhibitor of collagen crosslinking on these mechanical properties 3) study the effects of these modifications in T cell motility and 4) test in one tumor model the effects of the combination of an inhibitor of collagen crosslinking with anti-PD1 immunotherapy. The results are convincing and I only have minor concerns.
In the first part of their study, the authors analyze the structure heterogeneity of 5 different carcinomas, i.e. subcutaneous model of cholangiocarcinoma (EGI-1), subcutaneous (MET-1) and transgenic model (MMTV-PyMT) of mouse breast carcinoma, orthotopic (mPDAC) and subcutaneous (KPC) models of mouse pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma.
They measure the tumor stiffness during tumor growth using Shear Wave Elastography (SWE) and analyze the organization of the collagen fibers in these models. To my knowledge, this represents the first characterization of different tumor models classically used to study tumor immunity and is thus very useful for the scientific community. In particular, the authors show a correlation between high tumor stiffness and accumulation of thick and densely packed collagen fibers.
Minor modifications: The authors should indicate more clearly the number of mice and tumors investigated.
In the second part of their study, the authors treat the mice with beta-aminopropionitrile (BAPN), an inhibitor for LOX enzymatic activity in the drinking water and analyze the stiffness of tumors and collagen fiber organization in tumors. They show the heterogeneity of response in the different models in both stiffness modulation and collagen fibers remodeling. Mostly this treatment reduces the stiffness of tumors without affecting their growth.
Minor modifications: The authors should clarify how "normalized tumor stiffness" indicated in the legend of figure 2 is calculated. Indeed, this is an important point since tumor stiffness is associated to the sizes of tumors. Moreover, they should also indicate more clearly the number of mice and tumors investigated. Concerning collagen fibers orientation, authors should use a dot plot representation instead of bar histograms in order to show the distribution in the different tumors.
The authors then analyze how BAPN treatment modifies the migration of T lymphocytes in the tumors. Because of the different models used, the authors either added activated purified T cells from human donors (EGI-1model), or mouse activated T cells (MMTV-PyMT tumor model) or followed the motility of human resident T cells in mPDAC and KPC mice tumor models. Although the models are very different, the correlation between tumor stiffness and T cell speed and T cell displacement is specially striking in tumors from BAPN treated mice. It seems that T cell motility responds to two different regimens in tumor from untreated or BAPN treated mice. This might be due to difference of stiffness in untreated and treated mice but might also results from another parameter.
Minor modifications: The authors should discuss this point. Indeed, the main conclusion of their work and short title of their study is that the main parameter involved in T cell motility and access to the tumor is tumor stiffness but then the slopes should be the same as in the spontaneous MMTV-PyMT tumor model. There are probably other parameters involved in the regulation.
The authors then investigate the effect of BAPN treatment of tumor bearing mice on response to PD-1 immunotherapy. They perform experiments in KPC tumor bearing mice and show that BAPN treatment alone significantly decreases the number of neutrophils, increases the presence of MHCII+ TAMs. Yet, the combined therapy (BAPN and PD-1) is necessary to expand the percentage of GrzmB CD8+ T cells and the ratio of CD8+ to Treg cells and is associated with an increase in cytokine production. The combined treatment also leads to a decrease in the tumor sizes. Although these results are convincing as they are, confirmation of the results in another model would strengthen the results.
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Summary
The work analyzes the stiffness and collagen distribution in different tumor models implanted in mice and shows that treatment with an inhibitor of collagen crosslinking correlates with changes in their stiffness. This results in a change in the motility of resident T cells. The inhibitor of collagen crosslinking increases the number of tumor-infiltrating CD8+ T cells and leads to increased efficacy of anti-PD-1 blockade on tumor growth. The reviewers have discussed the reviews with one another and the Reviewing Editor and their views concur. Although the work has potential for publication in eLife, it requires essential additional data and statistics to support the central claims of the paper. Each reviewer raised substantive concerns (see below) that need to be resolved experimentally. To quote a few, you should provide a measurement of the collagen crosslinking in mice treated by BAPN to confirm that this drug has the expected effects. The combined BAPN plus anti-PD-1 therapy needs also to be confirmed in another model. Measurements of stiffness, collagen structure and T cell speed should be provided for all treatment conditions (control, LOXi, PD1i and combo) rather than just for LOX inhibition. Importantly, several important conclusions are based on inadequate sample size to be conclusive (see below). Along that line, the number of mice and tumor cells plus corresponding statistics need to be indicated in all the figures.
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This manuscript describes a laboratory evolution experiment designed to explore effects that may shape evolutionary trajectories in a native host environment. The model system is E. coli nitro/quinone reductase NfsA, a promiscuous FMN-dependent oxidoreductase that reduces toxic compounds and has the basal ability to reduce the antibiotic chloramphenicol. This function was used to select for improved detoxification by mass-mutagenizing eight active-site residues and isolating variants with up to tenfold higher tolerance against chloramphenicol. The five best variant proteins were purified and characterized, showing that their kcat/Km was only marginally improved, with worse kcat but improved Km, indicating that the improvements in detoxification were driven by enhanced substrate affinity. For the top two variants, all possible evolutionary trajectories were recreated and their EC50's tested to determine the most likely possible step-wise paths from NfsA to the final variants. The authors found that iterative evolutionary strategies could have generated similar variants, but that there were only few accessible pathways, indicating epistatic effects. The analysis also showed that for both variants, elimination of arginine at position 225 in the first step enabled further improvements to take hold and played a role in the loss of wildtype 1,4-benzoquinone activity. The sensitivity to four out of five tested prodrugs was however unchanged. Turnover of the fifth prodrug, namely reduction of metronidazole, which yields a toxic product, was on the other hand increased in the evolved variants, and could be used as a counter-selectable marker. This was briefly tested showing the potential of such an application.
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This study presents a wealth of data, and is well reasoned, carefully executed and clearly laid out. However, although it states that its aim was to study the evolution of a promiscuous function within the native host environment and thus under metabolic interference of the native substrate, this was not the approach taken. Instead, a fitness peak for the promiscuous function was identified through mass mutagenesis at eight positions followed by selection, and then two potential evolutionary paths leading from the wild type to this peak were inferred based on an analysis of all possible mutant combinations at the mutagenized positions. The authors need to make clear throughout the paper that the variants able to detoxify chloramphenicol were not evolved and did not arise against metabolic interference of the native substrate. This is an important point as the considerable potential of endogenous metabolites to shape evolutionary outcomes (Abstract) is purely inferred from the observation that the first mutation in both reconstructed evolutionary paths appears to have been a mutation at R225, which led to a substantial drop in the turnover rate of the endogenous substrate. From this the authors conclude (very prominently throughout the paper) that the evolution of a new activity is only possible after loss of activity against the original substrate.
From the data presented, it is however not clear to what extent this conclusion is supported.
1) According to the data in Figure 4 and Table S1, mutation of R225 alone is accompanied by a ~2-fold increase in kcat/Km for chloramphenicol. This seems to be sufficient to explain the ~2-fold increase in EC50 for chloramphenicol without invoking loss of quinone reductase activity. The control experiment in Figure 5, showing that substitution of R225 has no effect on most promiscuous activities of NfsA, also seems to indicate that the loss of native activity is not required for the evolution of chloramphenicol resistance. It would be important to determine the kinetic parameters of 1,4-benzoquinone reduction for NfsA and the purified R225V and R225D mutants in order to establish the loss of quinone reductase activity in the postulated first step of the evolutionary path. It would also be useful to study the effect of 1,4-benzoquinone competition on the chloramphenicol reductase activity of the mutants, at least the first ones along the proposed path, in order to show that they rapidly become insensitive to the native substrate.
2) After the initial screening of the transformed library of NfsA variants, 0.05% of gene variants are reported to be more effective in chloramphenicol detoxification than the wild type. In the next steps, this number is reduced to the top 30 variants, as characterized by their improvement of chloramphenicol EC50 values (Fig. 1D). However, it is not clear from the presentation whether these observations were controlled for the expression levels of the different NfsA mutants. Protein variants are often expressed at different levels in vivo, which can have a significant effect on the activity measured. Fig. 1D was used for selection of the "best" variants for the rest of the study and to support this choice and the conclusions of the manuscript, relative enzyme expression levels should be reported (and if significantly different, should be corrected for). Such expression levels are reported later on for the 36_37 and 20_39 variants, but are missing at this early stage.
3) While mutation of R225 appeared to be required for improved chloramphenicol detoxification in this study, the authors only considered the effects of substitutions at eight positions. This is probably the main weakness of the combinatorial mutagenesis approach used here. It seems plausible that substitutions at other positions could also increase chloramphenicol tolerance, possibly opening a path without loss of quinone reductase activity. If the authors were able to perform one round of error-prone PCR on NfsA with selection for improved chloramphenicol resistance and obtain mainly variants with substitution of R225, this would substantially strengthen their claim that evolution of increased chloramphenicol resistance can only occur through loss of quinone reductase activity.
4) Even with additional experimental support for the main conclusion of the article, it seems fundamentally problematic to extrapolate from two instances to a general principle of evolution. The authors should tone done the claims that improved chloramphenicol detox activity is ONLY possible after elimination the native activity and instead comment on the two characterized mutant pathways as examples of this phenomenon, within the limitations of the experimental setup.
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In this article, the authors sought to identify interacting partner(s) of Zc3h10, a transcription factor that activates expression of UCP-1 and other brown-adipocyte-specific genes. They identified the H3K79 methyltransferase Dot1L as an epigenetic modifier that interacts with Zc3h10 and facilitates its action on UCP-1 and other brown-adipocyte-specific genes. The strength of the manuscript is that the hypotheses were examined by a wide range of approaches, including protein-protein interaction assays, cell culture studies, and animal models. The present data provide solid evidence for an important role of Dot1L in the regulation of brown-adipocyte-specific genes. At the same time, all of the reviewers believed that the mechanisms involved in the epigenetic regulation of gene expression by Dot1L need to be investigated in more depth. Because the roles and the regulation of H3K79 methylation are still not fully understood, it would advance the field if the authors could provide additional data along these lines.
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1) The protein expression of Dot1L appears disproportionally specific to brown adipose tissue compared with the mRNA expression. Is there a protein-gene difference? Is the identity of the band correct? Can the author see the loss of the band in the BKO tissues?
2) Most of the experiments appear to have been performed under basal conditions (e.g. unstimulated cells, room temperature mice). Dot1L expression increases with cold exposure and in their previous study that Zc3h10 is recruited to thermogenic gene promoters by p38 MAPK phosphorylation in response to adrenergic activation. The present study would benefit from additional experiments demonstrating a dynamic role for Dot1L in thermogenic gene transcription during cold exposure. Does cold exposure/adrenergic activation modulate Dot1L-Zc3h10 interaction, Dot1L recruitment to thermogenic gene promoters, H3K79 methylation, etc. in a p38 MAPK-dependent manner?
3) The authors conclude that "these results show that Dot1L methyltransferase activity is required for thermogenic gene expression and other Zc3h10 target genes for the BAT gene program (line 175)" and that "Dot1L enzymatic activity is critical for activating the thermogenic gene program in vivo" (line 255). These statements are not yet strongly supported. The involvement of H3K79 methylation was implied through the use of a chemical inhibitor EPZ5676 (figure 2c and figure 3) and the reduction of H3K79me3 levels in whole-cell lysates (figure 3b). Can the authors confirm the change of H3K79 methylation at brown-adipocyte-specific genes by conducting ChIP-QPCR in the experiments where they modulate either expression or enzymatic activity of Dot1L? In addition the authors could compare the effect of the overexpression of wild-type Dot1L (figure 2d) with a mutant Dot1L in which critical residue(s) are substituted in the enzyme catalytic core.
4) In Figure 4D, ChIP-qPCR shows the reduction of H3K79me2 and H3K79me3 enrichment on thermogenic gene promoters in Dot1L knockout BAT. It would be informative to examine changes in Dot1L and Zc3h10 binding on the same regions in BAT.
5) Although not absolutely required, it would be ideal to look at global epigenetic changes following induction or inhibition of Zc3h10 and/or Dot1L. Of particular interest is whether Zc3h10 plays any role in tethering Dot1L and modulating H3K79 methylation at brown-adipocyte-specific genes and whether the epigenetic changes induced by are specific to brown adipocyte function or not. The authors should consider performing ChIP-seq for H3K79me2/3 and Zc3h10. The use of tagged protein is an alternative if the antibody is not available for the latter. H3K79me2/3 reportedly marks a subset of enhancers (2019 Nat Commun, 10.1038/s41467-019-10844-3). It is also of interest whether such H3K79me2/3-marked enhancers are enriched in the vicinity of the brown-adipocyte-specific genes.
6) The raw ATAC-seq data show very high background (figure 5A). How many peak calls were obtained? Improvement is necessary to discuss the qualitative differences. Please consider the use of culture cells if the technical hurdle is caused by the use of tissue samples. Further, the pattern of the aggregate plots (figure 5A left upper) does not obviously match that of the heatmaps (figure 5A, left lower). Please describe exactly what is shown in the figure. Are the scales the same for each panel or the heatmaps zoom in the area indicated by the red dotted boxes in the aggregate plot? What do the red dotted boxes mean? What does color scale bar in the middle heatmap mean?
7) Also related the ATAC data, Figure 5C suggests that loss of Dot1L alters chromatin accessibility at far more genes than is represented in the "Shared processes" pathway analysis. It would be helpful to see a more comprehensive analysis of the ATAC-seq data (is thermogenesis one of the top pathways, what other pathways are affected, is the Zc3h10 binding motif overrepresented at sites of increased chromatin accessibility? etc.) and discussion about why the ATAC-seq changes might be more general/less specific than the RNA-seq changes.
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Reviewer #3
This paper reported that estrogen can accelerate mammary involution by exacerbating mammary inflammation, inducing programmed cell death, and promoting adipocytes repopulation, that the effects of estrogen on the expressions of genes during mammary involution are majorly mediated by neutrophils, and that estrogen promotes mammary LM-PCD independent of neutrophils by inducing the expression and activity of lysosomal cathepsins and other pro-apoptotic markers such as Bid and Tnf. These findings are potentially interesting, and could expand the functions of estrogen. However, there is a lack in mechanistic insight into these observations.
I. The mechanism underlying estrogen-induced cell death needs to be further explored. For example, what kind of player(s) connects estrogen with cell death? Whether TNF-alpha plays a role in linking estrogen to cell death? Is there any enrichment of cell death genes associated with the estrogen treatment in RNA-Seq data? Why the artificial MCF-7/Caspase-3 cells were used? The results about MCF-7/Caspase-3 cells showed that estrogen promoted TNF-alpha-induced apoptosis, rather than lysosomes-associated cell death. Maybe the authors should try MCF-10A cells as the model.
II. Based on the data on Figure 4, it is not so convincible to conclude that neutrophils are involved in adipocytes repopulation during mammary involution normally, please see also Issues#3. The authors need to re-consider the relationship between these data and the conclusion. Maybe they should re-describe these results or modify the conclusion.
III. The most interesting finding is that estrogen does not trigger the similar biological actions in age-matched nulliparous mammary tissue. However, this study does not figure out the molecular mechanism underneath the difference between the functions of estrogen in involutional and nulliparous mammary tissues. At least, the author should discuss about the potential possibilities.
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1) Quantification in Figure 1B should indicate the fractions, for example, No. cells of total or area. The data in Figure 1C, except Csn2, were not described in the content, and these data should be associated with adipogenesis. As for Figure 1D, no any description was presented about Ly6G, and in fact, it was described in the second part of Results section. Supplemental Figure 2 was mentioned in the content before Supplemental Figure 1. The first part of results was very important for readers to understand the paper, but these problems confuse the readers.
2) In Page 13, Line 219, "E2B treatment alone without the antagonist (E2B+DMSO) lead to an expected 1.57-fold increase (p=0.0082) in mammary neutrophils as compared to the Ctrl+DMSO". Should "1.57-fold" be "2.57-fold" or something other? It is not the case based on the data in Figure 3Ci.
3) In Figure 4B, upon neutrophil depletion, Cebpb and Cebpd were already increased, which could limit their further enhancement when treated with E2B. As for Adig and Egr2, it seemed that they also apparently increased. In Figure 4D, the data had the similar problem to those in Figure 4B. No description about Figure 4E and 4F was found in the content. Overall, these data put it in question that estrogen-induced adipocyte repopulation is associated with the induction of adipogenic and tissue remodeling genes through neutrophils.
4) In Page 19, Line 305, "This suggests that the up-regulation of Ctsb expression by E2B is a direct event independent of STAT3 activation". These data in Figure 5B could not demonstrate that Ctsb expression is the direct event of E2B. In Figure 5D, why the lysosomal pellet fractions showed no lysosomal proteins, such as catheptins. In Figure 5A, at least the protein level of TNF-alpha should be measured, because it was very important for the functions of E2B, based on the data in Figure 6.
5) In Figure 6, TNF induces p-STAT3 while Fig 5A shows E2 induces TNF expression (mRNA), but no p-STAT3 was increased in Fig 5B. The increased mRNA does not mean the increased protein. Please measure the TNFa proteins in Fig 5A (See Issue#4). The MCF-7/Casp3 model seems not to well support the conclusion. The data in Figure 6 are about typical apoptosis not the lysosomes-associated cell death involved in the functions of estrogen as revealed in this study.
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In this study, Chew Leng Lim et al determined the diverse effects of Estrogen exposure on neutrophil infiltration, inflammation responses, cell death and adipocytes repopulation in mice models. While the authors revealed some new findings, this study suffers from obvious defects, including overdependence on the use of chemical inhibitors, lack of in-depth mechanistic investigation as well as unfocused research topics.
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1) In addition to neutrophil, estrogen exposure also induced macrophage infiltration, while "neutrophil" deletion by using anti-Ly6G antibody obviously reduced the infiltration of macrophage (Fig S1). Therefore, the role of macrophage in Estrogen exposure-induced biological responses should be deeply determined.
2) Since anti-Ly6G antibody also reduced macrophage infiltration significantly, it is very likely macrophage play a pivotal role in Estrogen exposure-regulated gene expressions and cellular phenotypes. Therefore, the conclusion that 88% of estrogen-regulated genes are mediated through neutrophil is not solid. This point should be addressed by specific deletion of macrophage and neutrophil, individually.
3) The source of CXCL1/CXCL2 upon estrogen exposure should be further investigated. In Fig 8, the authors indicated that CXCL1 and CXCL2 are produced by existing neutrophil. Further evidence to support this should be provided.
4) Many biological and small molecule inhibitors, including anti-Ly6G antibody, PAQ (S100a9 inhibitor), CXCR2 antagonist SB225002, etc, have been frequently used in this study. However, the effects and specificity of some of these agents have not been well validated during the study. The use of genetic mice models for critical signaling pathways is highly suggested.
5) Figure 5, The critical role of CTSB in the activation of CTSD/CTSL and induction of LM-PCD upon E2B treatment should be validated by downregulation of CTSB expression pharmacologically or genetically.
6) The data presented in Figure 7 based on the analysis in a single cell line is not reliable.
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Reviewer #1
Dr. Valerie Lin discovered some interesting links between estrogen signals and the differentiation and programmed death of mammary cells, as well as the formation of pro-inflammatory microenvironment, which facilitate post-partum mammary involution and presumably parity-associated breast cancer. They also demonstrated that mammary gland-infiltrating neutrophils emerge as a major immune cell participant during this process.
1) Dr Shengtao Zhou reported that ERβ has potent antitumor effects, which suppress lung metastasis by recruiting antitumor neutrophils to the metastatic niche. It is recommended to carefully address whether estrogen specifically target ERα or ERβ on post-weaning mammary cells and infiltrating neutrophils in this setting.
2) Perhaps a missing point is whether estrogen-induced mammary cell death subsequently cause inflammation (presumably augmenting neutrophil accumulation), since several cell death modalities has been associated to inflammation via the release of danger molecules.
3) Besides lysosome-mediated PCD, can estrogen induce other cell death modalities, such as pyroptosis, necroptosis, ferroptosis, which are all caspase 3/7/8-independent? It is important to make a clear conclusion.
4) Since the synthetic estrogen regulate the differentiation associated genes of fat cells and accelerated LM-PCD. Does estrogen affect lipid metabolic pathways? How does this metabolic remodeling affect cell death and differentiation of adipocytes and the function of neutrophils? By carefully going over the Seq data, the authors may add more important discussions.
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The decision letter after peer review, sent to the authors on April 30, 2020, follows.
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Lin and colleagues aim to explore how estrogen promotes post-partum mammary involution and increases the risk of parity-associated breast cancer. Previous studies have unraveled different molecular mechanisms of mammary gland involution (see a previous summary PMID: 30448440). The authors highlighted that estrogen causes mammary involution by stimulating the accumulation of neutrophils, sculpturing the pro-inflammatory microenvironment, facilitating adipocytes differentiation, and causing lysosome-related programmed death of mammary cells. These findings are interesting, but further efforts are needed to nail down some of the major conclusions and to clarify the underlying mechanisms.
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1) A major concern is about several discoveries on neutrophils. The contribution of neutrophils during estrogen-induced mammary involution should be cautiously defined with solid experimental evidence. Do other immune cell populations, such as macrophages, actively participate in this process? Does Ly6G antibody efficiently deplete neutrophils, rather than masking the labeling of Gr1 antibody (for validation)? As neutrophils have short half-life, secret lots of inflammatory mediators, and quickly replenish from BM progenitors, this point is important. The possible coordinations between neutrophils and other immune cells (e.g. macrophages, monocytes), and their relative importance at different stages of mammary involution can be examined and discussed (see a previous summary PMID: 24952477). In addition, more evidences are needed to prove whether the recruitment of neutrophils depends on a positive-feedback loop of CXCL1 and CXCL2. Quality controls are needed for the application of inhibitors.
2) Another major concern is about estrogen-triggered mammary cell death. How do ERα, ERβ or death receptor-mediated signals contribute to this process? Does estrogen-induced programmed cell death exclusively rely on lysosome leakage and related effector molecules? Have the authors tested the existence of other cell death modalities? Does estrogen-induced cell death augment local inflammation and perhaps the accumulation of immune cell populations?
3) The authors may consider to rephrase/weaken some of their claims and reorder the display of some of their results.
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This report provides significant new information about the mechanisms of neurosteroid enhancement and inhibition of GABA-A receptor (GABAR) function. This study builds on an earlier investigation by the same group (Chen et al. PLOS Biology 2019) showing that photoactive NS ligands can bind to three distinct sites on α1β3 GABARs - the canonical intersubunit site at the interface between the transmembrane domains (TMDs) of adjacent subunits and additional intrasubunit sites located within the TMDs of the alpha and beta subunits. In the current study, combining [3H]muscimol radioligand binding assays, site identification by photoaffinity labeling, and electrophysiological analyses of steroid modulation of wildtype and mutant α1β3 GABARs, the authors suggest that the overall functional effect of a given NS molecule is dependent upon which binding sites are targeted, with binding to the intersubunit site causing positive allosteric modulation (PAM), whilst occupancy of the intrasubunit sites appear to promote desensitization and negative allosteric modulation (NAM). Given the physiological significance of neurosteroids, elucidating how these structurally similar compounds can act as positive, negative or null modulators is clearly important.
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1) The electrophysiological data presented (changes in steady state desensitization current magnitudes) is insufficient to conclude that NAM steroids inhibit GABAR function by stabilizing a desensitized state. Additional experiments such as co-application of agonist + NS and monitoring desensitization kinetics would be informative. Measuring the rate of recovery from agonist-induced desensitization in the presence of neurosteroids might also be helpful. While the data presented can be interpreted as changes in desensitization, the authors should discuss that alternative models are also possible. For example, it has been proposed that selectively stabilizing a pre-active state can result in changes in macroscopic desensitization (Gielan and Corringer, J. Physiol. 2018).
2) Mutant receptors were not assayed for their sensitivities to agonist before measuring effects of neurosteroids. The functional assays and binding experiments need to be done at a consistent fractional EC value for each mutant construct being analyzed. For example, if the apparent Kd for muscimol has shifted substantially, the observed potentiation of muscimol binding by a neurosteroid will be artificially high or low. The is also true for experiments measuring neurosteroid potentiation/inhibition of functional activation by GABA.
3) In the result section, there are concerns about quantitatively comparing electrophys data and [3H]muscimol data (measured at different agonist concentrations and time periods). Are the methods reliable enough to infer that the small changes in Popen and Pdesensitized are real? In some cases, data are not shown. Inherent methodological limitations of two-electrode voltage clamping (e.g. slow ligand exchange) raises concerns that authors are over interpreting the data. As it stands, the comparison seems to be a bit of a reach and in this reviewers' opinion does not significantly add to the paper.
4) While having three distinct sites for NS binding to GABARs does fit with aspects of the data, it's noteworthy that with the suggested model, there are three ligands that bind to all three sites, 3a5aP, KK148 & KK150, but each has a distinct functional profile, PAM, NAM via stabilizing desensitization, and competitive antagonist, respectively. This implies that divergence in function is dependent upon differential binding/efficacy at these three sites, presumably due to the ligand sitting in each site in a different orientation. While the observation from the [3H]muscimol binding experiments suggests that 3a5aP binds to the b3 intrasubunit site with lower affinity, the data presented in Fig 6B also suggest that binding of 3a5aP to the intersubunit and a1 intrasubunit sites works synergistically to increase muscimol binding. The reasoning being because with both sites intact, the Emax for muscimol binding is 374%, whereas mutating these sites individually causes similar decreases in Emax (to 159% and 146%). This implies an allosteric interaction between these binding sites, a conclusion which the authors also reach in their previous publication (Chen et al 2019). This makes interpretation of the effects of mutations in these two sites (and possibly also the beta intrasubunit site) difficult to interpret and to use to specifically dissociate a mutations effects on NS actions to binding to one particular site. The authors need to thoroughly discuss this concern/limitation.
5) The demonstration that steroids apparently enhance [3H]muscimol binding affinity without changing the number of sites (Fig 6 supplement 1) is in contrast to past reports from multiple labs that [3H]muscimol binding (to brain membranes) is characterized by high and low affinity components and that steroids and other GABAR positive allosteric modulators increase the number of high affinity sites with little effect on their binding affinity. Please discuss. In addition, we would like to see presented in supplementary material representative experimentally determined [3H]muscimol binding curves (total and non-specific vs [ 3H]musc concentration, not just the calculated Bspec of fig6 supp fig 1). In their methods (p.25) they say that they determined [3H]muscimol binding isotherms from 0.3 nM to 1 uM [3H]muscimol at a radiochemical specific activity of 2 Ci/mmol. It is surprising that they can go to micromolar concentrations with such small uncertainties, and it is crucial to their claim steroids produce only shifts of affinity, not shifts of Bmax.
6) [3H]muscimol binding is measured on cell homogenates over a time scale of hours. There seems no reason to "infer" that 3α5αβP increases [3H]muscimol binding by stabilizing an active state while 3β5αP stabilizes a desensitized state. By my reading, the previous studies (13,14) report that the αV256S mutation removes the "inhibitory" effects of sulfated steroids and 3β5αP, not the "desensitizing" effects, this should be more clearly articulated in this manuscript. This report will be strengthened by avoiding unnecessary overinterpretation, and leave it for future studies to determine whether there is any measurable quantity of receptors in an active state under the conditions of the [3H]muscimol equilibrium binding assay.
7) Given the expectations that some of the neurosteroids stabilize a desensitized state, do they "fit" in the proposed intrasubunit sites in, for example, one of the published presumed desensitized-state structures of the α1β3γ2 receptor?
8) A more thorough discussion of why recently solved GABAR structures have not resolved intrasubunit neurosteroid binding sites is warranted.
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The manuscript by Fournier et al. highlights the importance of acetylation in the ChAM domain of PALB2 in regulating nucleosome binding and DNA repair. The text is well-written text and the experiments are well-designed. We read the manuscript, the reviews from Review Commons, as well as the rebuttal and plans for a revision. We believe the revision and the proposed added experiments will be needed to cement the conclusions.
Of the 5 experiments, #1 and #2 are critical, and we believe #4 and #5 are also important as BRCA1 is a key factor for PALB2 (#5) and the effect on HR (#4) should be documented experimentally. We do not consider experiment #3 (PALB2 foci) as critical. We encourage the authors to plan and execute this revision as they outlined with the above exception of experiment #3. You may want to consider combining KAT2A/B depletion and/or using KDAC inhibitors in the experiments with the 7R and 7K mutants, but we leave that suggestion to them.
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The decision letter after peer review, sent to the authors on April 22, 2020, follows.
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The revised paper presents a better-fitting analysis, and does a more nuanced job in discussing the results than the original manuscript. However, there are still a few major criticisms that we have for the analysis, detailed below.
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1) Brain-wide, multiple-comparison corrected tests comparing auditory versus visual decoding are still lacking. The authors have now provided vertex-wise Bayes factors within areas that showed significant decoding in each individual condition. Unfortunately, this is not satisfactory, because these statistics are (1) potentially circular because ROIs were pre-selected based on an analysis of individual conditions, (2) not multiple-comparison corrected, and (3) rely on an arbitrary prior that is not calibrated to the expected effect size. Still, ignoring these issues, the only area that appears to contain vertices with "strong evidence" for a difference in neuro-behavioral decoding is the MOG, which wouldn't really support the claim of "largely distinct networks" supporting audio vs. visual speech representation.
The authors may address these issues, for instance, by (I) presenting additional whole-brain results - e.g. for a direct comparison of auditory and visual classification (in Figure 2) and of perceptual prediction (in Figure 3). (ii) presenting voxel-wise maps of Bayesian evidence values (as in Supplementary Figure 3) for the statistical comparisons shown in Figure 2D, and Figure 3D (iii) in the text included in Figure 2D and 3D making clear what hypotheses correspond to the null hypothesis and to the alternative hypothesis (i.e. auditory = visual, auditory <> visual).
2) As noted before, the classifiers used in this study do not discriminate between temporal versus spatial dimensions of decoding accuracy. This leaves it unclear whether the reported results are driven by (dis)similarity of spatial patterns of activity (as in fMRI-based MVPA), temporal patterns of activity (e.g., oscillatory "tracking" of the speech signal), or some combination. As these three possibilities could lead to very different interpretations of the data, it seems critical to distinguish between them. For example, the authors write "the encoding of the acoustic speech envelope is seen widespread in the brain, but correct word comprehension correlates only with focal activity in temporal and motor regions," but, as it stands, their results could be partly driven by this non-specific entrainment to the acoustic envelope.
In their response, the authors show that classifier accuracy breaks down when spatial or temporal information is degraded, but it would be more informative to show how these two factors interact. For example, the methods article cited by the authors (Grootswagers 2017) shows classification accuracy for successive time bins after stimulus onset (i.e., they train different classifiers for each time bin 0-100 ms, 100-200 ms, etc.). The timing of decoding accuracy in different areas could also help to distinguish between different plausible explanations of the results.
Finally, it is somewhat unclear how spatial and temporal information are combined in the current classifier. Supplemental Figure 5 creates the impression that the time-series for each vertex within a spotlight were simply concatenated. However, this would conflate within-vertex (temporal) and across-vertex (spatial) variance.
3) The concern that the classifier could conceivably index factors influencing "accuracy" rather than the perceived stimulus does not appear to be addressed sufficiently. Indeed, the classifier is referred to as identifying "sensory representations" throughout the manuscript, when it could just as well identify areas involved in any other functions (e.g., attention, motor function) that would contribute to accurate behavioral performance. This limitation should be acknowledged in the manuscript. The authors could consider using the timing of decoding accuracy in different areas to disambiguate these explanations.
The authors state in their response that classifying based on the participant's reported stimulus (rather than response accuracy) could "possibly capture representations not related to speech encoding but relevant for behaviour only (e.g. pre-motor activity). These could be e.g. brain activity that leads to perceptual errors based on intrinsic fluctuations in neural activity in sensory pathways, noise in the decision process favouring one alternative response among four choices, or even noise in the motor system that leads to a wrong button press without having any relation to sensory representations at all."
But, it seems that all of these issues would also effect the accuracy-based classifier as well. Moreover, it seems that intrinsic fluctuations in sensory pathways, or possibly noise in the decision process, are part of what the authors are after. If noise in a sensory pathway can be used to predict particular innacurate responses, isn't that strong evidence that it encodes behaviorally-relevant sensory representations? For example, instrinsic noise in V1 has been found to predict responses in a simple visual task in non-human primates, with false alarm trials exhibiting noise patterns that are similar to target responses (Seidemann, E., & Geisler, W. S. (2018)). Showing accurate trial-by-trial decoding of participants' incorrect responses could similarly provide stronger evidence that a certain area contributes to behavior.
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Using a clever genetic system in the budding yeast Saccharomyces cerevisiae the authors test whether R-loop can form in trans, meaning that a transcript from locus A could lead to R-loop formation in locus B. Moreover, they test whether R-loop formation is dependent on Rad51, the eukaryotic RecA family recombinase. Using their genetic system and cytological analysis of Rad52 foci and the S9.6 antibody to detect R-loops in wild type and strains with mutations known to affect R-loop, conclusive data are shown that R-loops only form in cis and that R-loops in this genetic system are independent of Rad51. Overall, this work significantly enriches the discussion in the R-loop field and provides an alternative view point of an earlier publication that suggested R-loop formation in trans being catalyzed by Rad51.
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1) The pGal promoter induces very high transcription in the presence of galactose (often 500X or more induction). The level is likely very different (much less) for the tet promoter, which is generally only induced 2-3X upon addition of doxycycline. This could significantly affect the results - e.g. the cis vs trans effects could really be a matter of different transcription levels. Transcription levels from each promoter really need to be determined- this is a very important control. The exact induction conditions used, including concentrations and induction times, need to be spelled out in the methods and should be consistent with those used during the RT-PCR experiment to test transcript levels. In the absence of being able to do the experiment on the constructs used (which would be optimal), at least it could be cited if this lab has used the same promoters and induction conditions in the past, and a caveat inserted if transcription levels are different. It would also be good to switch the promoters and make sure the result holds, as there could be issues of differences in timing of transcription as well.
2) In Figure 2 the authors relate recombination frequencies in their assays to RNA:DNA hybrid formation without measuring hybrids directly. This is a major weakness that significantly limits data interpretation. For instance, I am very surprised that the "cis" recombination frequency of the inverted LacZ reporter is essentially as high as the regular lacZ construct. This result implies that hybrid formation is insensitive to the orientation of the reporter when in many reported cases, R-loop formation is strongly orientation-dependent. Of course, another hypothesis is that (stalled) transcription itself triggers recombination, not R-loops. Without data on R-loop formation, one cannot disentangle transcription from co-transcriptional R-loop formation. The authors must use DRIP-based assay to quantify R-loop levels in the various sequence contexts and under the various genetic backgrounds to establish that their assay is reflective of R-loop levels. Using bisulfite-based readouts to measure R-loop distributions and lengths across the LacZ region would be even better. Without this data, the claim that this new genetic assay can "infer the formation of recombinogenic DNA:RNA hybrids" is unsubstantiated.
3) Source data. The source data file should be labeled better. Missing are:
- what the numbers in the table are (rates of Leu+ x 10^-4?)
- which data goes with which Figure panel
- average and SEM numbers should be shown in the data table
The exact p values not reported and could be added to source data file. N values can be discerned from the source data file but it would be nice for them to be stated in the figure legends.
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In this manuscript, the authors study the transcriptional regulation of HOXA9, a transcription factor that plays a central role in homeostasis of immature hematopoietic cell types and in the development of leukemia. They use the CRISPR/Cas9 technique to introduce a fluorescence reporter cassette into the endogenous HOXA9 locus of a human MLL/AF4-rearranged B-ALL cell line. After validating this engineered cell line, they perform multiple genetic screens to identify potential transcriptional regulators of HOXA9 and to delineate essential transcription factors in this cell line. They identify USF2 as new transcription factor that modulates expression of HOXA9.
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If the authors can commit to adding the following data, as they indicate in their rebuttal, the manuscript would be greatly strengthened and could be considered acceptable:
1) The authors should include their data on the independent loss-of-function CRISPR transcription factor screen in SEM HOXA9-P2A-mCherry MLLr reporter line ectopically expressing HOXA9-MEIS1 to overcome the possibility that key regulators could be missed in the CRISPR/Cas9 screen due to survival dropout.
2) The authors should include supporting data for the key observations in the manuscript in other cell lines; for example, as indicated by the authors, the data gathered using an additional HOXA9 MLLr AML reporter cell line established in OCI-AML2 cells to further support findings from the initial in SEM MLLr ALL reporter line.
3) The authors should perform USF2 knockout experiments in multiple non-MLLr cell lines according to the reviewer's suggestions. As an example, the authors should repeat the competitive proliferation assay to determine the effects of the single knockout of USF1 and USF2 vs the double KO in SEM cells and other MLLr leukemia cell lines with proper controls.
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This manuscript presents a new agent-based model of coral reefs that is designed to answer questions about the response of coral reefs to multiple stressors in a mechanistic, bottom-up way. The model uses traits and functional types of corals and algae to represent not only taxonomic but also functional diversity. The manuscript includes a very impressive description of the design, calibration and testing of a coral reef model. The authors have used the ODD protocol (to some degree), calibration of 12 model parameters for three empirical locations in the Caribbean, hierarchically structured validation, and global sensitivity analysis. Spatial interactions between corals and algae are represented in detail and allow to analyze relations between traits and functional responses and thus to depict realistic trajectories of reefs under different scenarios of external forcing.
Agent-based models are often criticized because of their complexity, which makes them difficult to parameterize, calibrate, test, and understand. This manuscript is an impressive demonstration of how it is possible to combine all relevant existing data in a systematic way, test a model at multiple levels, and thus demonstrate that, yes indeed, trait-based agent-based models allow us to model the role of diversity (see also this review: Zhakarova et al. 2019).
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1) The Introduction takes a lot of space in discussing challenges to coral reefs. I guess virtually all papers about coral reefs start like this. It should be shortened, also because it raises the expectation that you are going to tackle these questions, which is not the case. Rather, this is a methods paper and you should come to this point more directly and perhaps list the challenges to ABMs for exploring diversity (see above) as the key challenge addressed in this manuscript.
2) If you say, in the Abstract, that the model "provides a virtual platform": Where can we download the software? Is there a manual describing the workflow needed for running the model and all its data scripts? Is the model description in the supplements complete? If not, this article would not really provide a tool. You might have a look at two examples where ABMs were presented, in journal articles, as tools. In both cases there was a full model description, a manual, and a download site: Becher et al. (2014) and Hradsky et al. (2019).
3) Section 2.1: It is impressive to see all those packages and tools you used, but, ideally, you would also provide all, or the most important, scripts you wrote to run these packages and tools. If others are to use your virtual laboratory, they very likely would fail immediately because they would not know how to actually handle all those tools and data sources. I know that there is no culture yet to provide all relevant scripts, but I think we should go there.
4) The ODD model description in the main text is not bad, but just a verbal summary description while the intention of ODD is to provide all information that is needed to re-implement the model. I understand that much of these details are in the Supplement, e.g. about Initialization and Submodels? It would be good if this link would be made more explicit by having a full ODD in the supplement, as a separate file. It would contain an augmented copy of the ODD of the main text and then just provide, in all detail, the information required for the seven elements of ODD. Why? Because the point of a standard is to follow it exactly so that readers, who either know the standard or learn about it, can easily find certain kinds of information at certain places in the model description. Currently, this is finding of relevant information is made unnecessarily complex. Examples of complete ODDs of complex model are provided by Ayllón et al (2018) and Nabe-Nielsen et al. (2019).
For producing a complete ODD, please note that a new version of ODD has been published, which in particular has very detailed guidance, in the supplement, about ODD itself, summary ODDs, model narratives, etc.: Grimm et al. (2020). All that said, please note that we certainly do not require that you use ODD (because I am the main proponent of ODD), but any format, that compiles all information needed so that it is easy to find the kinds of information listed in ODD protocol, would be acceptable.
5) Scales: The model applications relate to a space of 5x5 m (25m2). I am not sure if such a small space allows for realistic dynamics if single corals grow large (> 2-3 m diameter) as then only a very low number of individuals would be present in the simulations potentially leading to artifacts in results. It is a pity that the spatial output of the model is not shown (except one specific figure in S5). I also see a discrepancy between the very high spatial (1cm) and the low temporal resolution (6 month). The time span within half a year could e.g. cover a mild bleaching event or other disturbances as well as processes of reef recovery leading to a different species composition and thus change the reef trajectory without being considered in the present model. I do not see that it is an argument, that the field data are only available in a low resolution of approx. 6. month. A comparison with model processes stays possible even if it is resolved higher.
6) It is apparent that all model runs cover only a very short time span of around ten years (21 simulation steps). This is extremely short for coral reefs which frequently undergo dynamics based on larger time scales. Thus, emerging dynamics and states, e.g., resulting from the sensitivity analysis, should be discussed with much care.
7) Overfitting? The model is very impressive, as it is possible to very closely possible represent the dynamics of measured reefs. However, I am not sure if this actually results from some overfitting. The model (runs) include some very strong and very specific influences of external drivers. For example, at the end of a time step certain values for grazing or sand cover are enforced. At least the impact of grazing results from a feedback with different reef processes. Thus, at least much of the trajectories in the model are the result of external drivers and it becomes difficult to analyze self-organization processes in the reef. In short: you cannot claim that a model is producing realistic dynamics due to a realistic representation of its internal organization if in fact the match between model output and observations is imposed by external drivers. A similar case occurred with honeybee colony models, where often the yearly time series of colony size was compared to data to claim that the model was realistic, but that time series was largely driven by the time series of the queen's egg-laying rate (Becher et al. 2013).
8) A major question thus is whether the authors believe that their model can better address large scale questions about coral reefs, such as their resilience to regime shifts from disturbances and climate change, than 'minimal' models, such as that of van de Leemput et al. (2016)?
9) In Carturan, Parrott, and Pither (2018) coral functional traits are classified as 'resistance' and 'recovery'. In the current manuscript, the terms 'stress tolerant', 'ruderal', and 'competitive' species (Grimes' classification) is used. Do 'resistance' species and 'recovery' species of Carturan et al. (2018) correspond to 'stress tolerant' and 'ruderal', respectively?
10) The Title is suboptimal: "mechanistic" and "spatially explicit" applies to hundreds of model, if not more, including coral reef models. The novelty of you work lies in merging the individual-based and trait-based approaches to represent functional diversity. The title should reflect this (but please observe eLife's guidance on titles).
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The muscle spindle is one of the most thoroughly studied sensory receptors in the somatosensory system, yet much is still unknown about how it works. Commendably, the authors have attempted to model the responses of spindle sensory afferents using a biophysical model of intrafusal muscle fibers. The model was shown to mimic experimentally recorded afferent activity in a number of situations. Indeed, it is encouraging to see attention being paid again to the elegant complexities of spindle receptors after years of over-simplification in control models. Nevertheless, there are concerns (detailed in the essential revisions below) about those aspects that were left out.
Essential Revisions
1) The assumption that extrafusal muscle force can serve as a proxy for intrafusal fiber force needs to be fully addressed. Indeed, there are well known situations for which an assumed correspondence between extrafusal and intrafusal forces would seem to fail to reproduce experimental results. For example, the classical experimental signature used to identify Ia afferents is a cessation in their discharge during an evoked twitch in the extrafusal muscle fibers. Likewise, the model would seem to fail to reproduce spindle afferent responses during imposed length changes with and without concomitant homonymous extrafusal muscle contractions (e.g. Elek, Prochazka, Hulliger, Vincent. In-series compliance of gastrocnemius muscle in cat step cycle: do spindles signal origin-to-insertion length? J. Physiol., 429, 237-258, 1990). The authors need to include additional simulations of these fundamental experimental phenomena and to fully address the outcome in the Discussion.
2) The authors suggest that their model provides a unifying biophysical framework for understanding muscle spindle activity, yet there was little attention paid to how intrafusal force or yank is transduced into a receptor potential. Such a unifying framework would need to include mechanisms of transduction by mechanically-gated ion channels. As such, the role that sensory transduction mechanisms play in shaping spindle afferent activity needs to be addressed - either in the model or in the Discussion.
3) The role that intrinsic properties and associated time-varying conductances (e.g. such as those underlying spike-frequency adaptation) in muscle spindle afferents may play in influencing firing dynamics needs to be addressed in the model or in the Discussion.
4) There needs to be more clarity in the description of the model and what aspects of the model were original and what aspects were based on previous work, for example, that of Campbell et al. (2014) and MyoSim.
5) The simulated response (i.e. the driving potential) of the biophysical model depicted in Figure 6A to repeated triangular length changes (without pauses) does not resemble the experimental firing rate data to repeated triangular length changes shown in Figure 2B. In particular, the model exhibits marked abbreviation of the responses to the 2nd and 3rd length changes that are not evident in the experimental data of Figure 2. This disparity between experimental and simulated findings needs to be discussed.
6) Any general model that aims to account for the activity of spindle afferents during natural activities must account for the well-documented independence among alpha, gamma dynamic and gamma static activation patterns and kinematics, whose different effects on Ia activity have been simulated, measured or inferred in a variety of experiments and integrated into previous models (see Mileusnic et al., 2006). The Discussion should identify which scenarios have not been simulated and which might be problematic for their general thesis.
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Heissenberger et al. study how NSUN-1 impacts rRNA methylation and health in nematodes. Eukaryotic ribosomal RNAs undergo several modifications. Among these, there are two known m5C, located in highly conserved target sequences. Previous work from the authors characterised the mechanism underlying one of these modifications in worms (C2381), as well as its functional consequences on cellular and organismal homeostasis. The current work focuses on the second m5C, at position C2982, and identifies NSUN-1 as the putative rRNA methylase. This is a novel and potentially exciting finding.
Using RNAi in two worm strains, the authors show that knocking down NSUN-1 expression, the specific C2982 m5C level is in part (not entirely) reduced. This assay proves sufficiency (but not necessity) of NSUN-1 to reduce m5C levels at C2982. While it is not clear why the authors do not use a complete knock out for NSUN-1 (is it lethal?), follow-up work using RNAi explores the phenotypic effects of lowered NSUN-1 levels.
While somatic and germline reduction of m5C levels do not have an impact on worm lifespan, it does increase resistance to heat stress, slight increase in motor activity. Reducing NSUN-1 expression separately in germline and soma showed allegedly lifespan increase. Somatic reduction of NSUN-1 leads to changes in body size, oocyte maturation and fecundity, and has no effect on global protein translation. Analysis of polysome enrichment for specific mRNAs revealed that worms with low levels of NSUN-1 have altered translation of transcripts involved in cuticle collagen deposition.
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- We are unconvinced by one of the major claims of this work, which is that C2982 has an impact on worm lifespan when expression is down in the soma. This claim does not seem to be strongly supported by the results shown. Were the replicates analysed separately or data from different assays pooled? Median lifespan appears the same between wt and RNAi worms. The survival raw data should be made available for reanalysis.
- It is not clear whether deletion mutants for NSUN-1 (e.g. nsun-1(tm6081)) are viable in C. elegans and if yes, what is their phenotype in the context of this study. If the deletion mutant is not available, can the authors generate a CRISPR line?
- Is there a relationship between the mRNAs selectively translated in the NSUN-1 RNAi treatment and in the NSUN-5 RNAi/mutant?
- The results shown in figure 1 draw a causal connection between NSUN-1 activity and C2982 based on exclusion: in other words, both NSUN-1 and NSUN-5 depletion lower the m5C peak by over 50%. Hence, since there are two m5C sites and one is written by NSUN-5, the other one must be written by NSUN-1. Is it possible that NSUN-1 may not be the only C2982 writer? Can the authors comment on this?
- Figure 4 analyzes the gonad and oocyte maturation. While the images are very convincing, it would be good to know how penetrant the phenotype is after analysis of a larger number of animals in each group.
- It is unclear how the observed translational remodeling that affects collagen deposition (demonstrated through the gonad extrusion and cuticle barrier phenotypes) is linked to oocyte maturation, or to heat stress resistance.
- The authors should indicate how many times the HPLC experiments were done.
- In Figure 3 the authors should indicate on each panel the age of the worms and at which stage the RNAi treatment was performed.
- The overall claim about behavior should be toned down as the RNAi line has no ovreall improvement, but only one time point shows a difference among the groups. From the text it is not clear what statistical test was used to analyze the differences in behavior among the groups.
- Although it may be hard to downregulate rRNAs by RNAi since they are so highly expressed, can the authors comment on whether 26S rRNA levels are reduced after RNAi and if yes to what degree?
- While the authors write that rrf-1 is required for amplification of the dsRNA signal specifically in the somatic tissues, this may not be completely accurate, as the Kumsta et al 2012 paper shows that rrf-1 affects both the soma and the germline. How does this affect the interpretation of the results?
- Is there a chance that 26S rRNA expression or differential methylation have a tissue-specific pattern (you use RT-qPCR from whole worms)?
- May NSUN-1 have pleiotropic effects independent of C2982 m5C?
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The manuscript by Seong et al., describes the development of a sophisticated activity monitoring system that is able to determine with, great accuracy, the timing of major life stage transitions during Drosophila development. Specifically the system relies on time lapse imaging and A.I. based learning to pinpoint three transitions 1) larval to pupal 2) pupal to adult 3) adult to death. The basic principle is to establish the location of a larva, pupa or adult at each time point within either a 96 or 384 well plate and then determine if it has changed at the next time point. Since larva and adults are motile and pupa and dead flies are not then it is conceputually eassy to distinguish the stage transition through location changes by monitoring location changes. The authors demonstrate that the system works, at least for the W1118 genetic background, and is able to replicate known developmental characteristics such as the fact the females typically eclose a few hours before males and that the timing of the larval to pupal transition is diet (sugar) sensitive. They also demonstrate that it can be used to establish Kaplan-Meier lifespan curves which are capable of distinguishing environmental effects on adult lifespan such as the presence of DDT or paraquat in the food. Overall this system appears to have great potential for quantitatively measuring a number of developmental parameters that are presently very tedious to determine manually and are therefore not amenable to high throughput procedures that are needed for genetic and drug screening.
I do not feel competent to comment on the software development and AI procedures used to train the system other than to say that they appear to work quite reliably as long as the optics are not disturbed. Herein lies the biggest disappointment.
1) The authors conclude their Results section by saying that they cannot reliably measure lifespan in common strains such as Oregon R and Canton S because of accidental death effects due to such issues as water condensation in the wells and also due to blockage of the optical light path by the spread of food particles and feces on the well lid that obscures detection of the fly's position during imaging. The authors say that additional refinements of the system will be needed to overcome these challenges for adult lifespan analysis. I wonder, however, if the authors have tried something as simple as replacing the lid of the microtiter dish at some frequency during the lifespan measurements. I recognize that the entire chamber will need to be immersed in a C02 chamber or cooled to knock the flies out and that this may influence the lifespan kinetics, but have the authors attempted anything like this as a work around to the degenerating light path and water accumulation issues during aging studies?
Despite this drawback, I think the system still has significant utility for assaying environmental and genetic effects on larval to pupa and pupal to adult transitions and this makes it is worth communicating to the Drosophila research community.
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The paper entitled The Drosophila Individual Activity Monitoring and Detection System (DIAMonDS) highlights a new detection/tracking system which utilizes a flatbed CCD scanner to track and identify multiple life cycle events (pupariation, eclosion, and death) using a newly developed algorithm. In support of this novel monitoring system, the authors provide multiple examples of the tracking system in action, including analysis of larval and adult movement and the detection of pupariation and eclosion at a high temporal resolution. The authors also provide several examples of more complex experiments which can be accomplished in a high-throughput manner using DIAMonDS, including lifespan and stress resistance assays. As described, this system would provide a researcher with an automated tool for measuring the timing of multiple major developmental milestones in Drosophila development- essentially allowing for more accurate and less labor intensive observation.
While DIAMonDS is certainly valuable in its current incarnation, the authors do note a number of worrying limitations which I believe should be resolved prior to publication, and there are several areas of the manuscript where I believe more detail is warranted.
Major Critiques
1) As DIAMonDS detects changes between the static and active phases in the Drosophila lifecycle through changes in motion, it is essential that the authors demonstrate (or provide an explanation of) how they discriminate between less motile stages of development (or death) and normal cessation of motion while alive, such as in grooming or sleep behavior in the adult.
2) Similar to critique #1, this type of motion detection may not be as effective in animals with some form of locomotor defect. An additional experiment demonstrating that DIAMonDS can reliably detect and classify larvae or adults with reduced locomotion is prudent to demonstrate that it can work, even if the flies are impaired in some way.
3) It is currently unclear how the DIAMonDS system handles events that occur "off-camera", as can be observed in frame 77-79 of supplementary video #1. This may be a potential sources of error during tracking- for example, if a larvae crawls into an area where it is not observed and pupates, or if an animal dies out of view.
4) It is unclear how (or if) the system would discriminate between pupation and a dead larvae. A failure to account for this could easily result in a false-positive for pupation.
5) Line 198: I was unable to locate a description of the semi-automatic (TH) methods presented here in the materials and methods section.
6) The inability of the methods described in the manuscript to handle Oregon-R or Canton-S strains significantly limits the usefulness of the system. A set of optimal conditions for common laboratory strains should be included with the manuscript.
7) As admitted by the authors, the size of the wells may adversely affect fly health. It would be worthwhile to see a comparison between the smaller chambers and a larger chamber, so as to allow for future users of the system to make more informed decisions about how to implement it.
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In this manuscript, findings from tomographic datasets of 10 C. elegans meiotic spindles from metaphase and anaphase (early, mid, and late) spindles (6 MI and 4 MII) are presented. The focus of the manuscript is on the observation that the transition from metaphase to anaphase involves a significant reorganization of the structure in which the number of MTs increases and the mean length decreases 2-fold. The authors develop a mathematical model to assess the relative contributions of 1) changes in MT dynamics, and 2) increased MT severing activity to the reorganization phenomenon. The model explains the data by a global change in MT dynamics and, in fact, indicates that MT severing makes hardly any contribution to the MT shortening observed in anaphase. The work is timely and the topic is of great interest; the quality of the EM data is excellent and these data can be expected to become a valuable resources in the field.
Essential Revisions
1) To compare the model with the data, the authors "average away" a large amount of detailed information present in the EM data and make additional simplifying assumptions that may be questioned. For example, it may be an oversimplification to assume mono-modal length distributions in the model that can be described by averages. In figure 1B the metaphase spindles look like there are two populations. The situation in anaphase looks even more complicated particularly if there is a surge of nucleation at the start of anaphase generating new short MT. The detailed 3D data sets are simplified down to a single spatial dimension (the spindle axis) and single length estimator (the average). The authors should provide some evidence/do some tests to validate their approach. How sensitive are the predictions of the model to the simplifying assumptions made and to the averaging out of detail?
2) A major weakness of the manuscript is considered to be the lack of experimental test of the prediction of the model which the authors present as their main conclusion. It should be possible to perform FRAP experiments to test the effect of katanin mutants on microtubule turnover to confirm or contradict the main conclusion that the authors derive from their model and that in part argues against pervious work. There is a well-characterized (and fast acting) ts allele of MEI-1 called mei-1(or642) (O'Rourke et al., PLoS One 2011 and McNally et al., MBoC, 2014) that could be used to test the effect of katanin on microtubule turnover by FRAP.
3) The authors should please be a bit clearer which EM data sets are new and which ones were re-used from previous work (for example including this information in Table 1). The expectation would be that the information from the new datasets is also used in the theoretical analysis presented in this manuscript. The context to previous work by others could be explained more clearly by being more specific when presenting background in the introduction so that it will be easier to understand what's new and different here compared to previous work (particularly compared to Yu et al. 2019 and Srayko et al. 2006).
4) Technical concerns: 4.1) FRAP analysis: To which extent does flux versus microtubule polymerization/depolymerization contribute to recovery. Is using a mono-exponential function to fit the recovery curves justified given that flux may contribute to recovery? How are the FRAP data used in the model? Is the contribution from flux to recovery considered separately from the contribution of polymerization/ depolymerization?
4.2) p.10, 2nd paragraph: Is the observed decrease in average microtubule length really independent of position? What is the factor of decrease as a function of position? Is the notion of global vs local change really fully supported by the data?
4.3) Model: Are microtubule minus ends considered stable after severing? Alpha is introduced, but the authors do not seem to come back to it later. What is it?
4.4) Model: Throughout, it would be useful to provide confidence intervals for the values that the authors extract from their model or provide some other statistical measure for the reliability of the prediction.
4.5) Does the model make the same predictions for meiosis II spindles or is turnover regulation different there?
4.6) Model: On page 9, lines 15-17 - the authors claim that if all the dynamic parameters except nucleation do not change then the length distribution should not change. However, if there is a change in nucleation, there will be a short-term increase in short MT, thereby shifting the length distribution.
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It has been previously shown that resistance to parasitoid wasps can emerge upon selection in wild-type Drosophila populations, and that this increased resistance correlates with a higher number of hemocytes. This paper combined experimental evolution and single cell transcriptomics to show that increased resistance to parasitoids upon several rounds of selection is caused by the presence of a differentiated subset of hemocytes (pre-lamellocyte) in the unchallenged state, which is usually found only upon wasp infestation. This led the authors to conclude that intense pathogen pressures can shift the immune system from inducible to constitutive, consistent with a theoretical framework indicating that elevated and constant pathogen pressure should lead to the emergence of constitutive defense. The approach is interesting, the paper well-written and the notion tested interesting. An important concern is the degree of advance over previous studies. Initial papers investigating how selection increases resistance to wasps have already shown that this was linked to an increase in hemocyte number. In a certain sense, this could be considered as a demonstration of a change from inducible to constitutive defense, although the emphasis of these papers was not on this point. In addition, the current work provides so far only limited information on this specific population of pre-lamellocytes.
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1) Analysis of single cell RNA-seq (Figure 3). Several RNA-seq papers have been published and it is important that the authors better relate their hemocyte clusters to other scRNA-seq datasets using the nomenclature of some of these papers. Would their data be deposited in a database? It would also be great to better describe the transcriptional profile, and not only focus on two genes, Attila and PPO3.
2) Discrepancy between the transcriptional and morphological changes in the hemocytes.
2a) Earlier studies, both on hemocyte flow cytometry and in other scRNA-seq experiments (as cited in the manuscript) revealed that the transdifferentiation into lamellocytes is a dynamic / continuous process, which may derive from several hemocyte lineages and from different hematopoietic organs. The authors here showed a discrepancy in the transcriptional and morphological changes in the hemocytes, and revealed that the plasmatocyte lineage was already starting the resemble the lamellocytes (in gene expression), without needing the induction by infection. Yet, they were not yet fully differentiated hemocytes based on morphology, and still needed infection to reach that stage. Therefore, the conclusion that the selected lines had "hard-wired" the inducible response into a constitutive response is not fully warranted (they do not fully differentiate, but proceed partially towards that state). Also, the differentiation of lamellocytes is fully attributed to originate from lymph glands and as originating from the plasmatocytes, while different organs and hemocyte lineages appear to contribute to the population of lamellocytes. The reviewer feel that all these aspects should be further explored and would deserve some mentioning in the discussion.
2b) Along this line, the authors could do a better job in characterizing the hemocyte populations of the evolved lines using available antibody, cooking and other melanization assays, phalloidin treatment...
2c) Third instar hemocytes are found in the sessile state, in circulation or in the lymph gland. It could not be excluded that some of the changes they observed relate more to changes in hemocyte localization rather than differentiation. According to the material and methods, the authors has collected only the circulating hemocytes in the unchallenged state as they did not vortex larvae. It is very important to better compare the lymph gland, sessile and circulating compartments of the evolved and the non-evolved lines. This can be done by using various staining methods. The paper is written in such a way that selection acted only on circulating hemocytes but it could also act on hemocytes localization (decrease sessility), lymph gland maturation....
3) Gene expression was measured in circulating hemocytes at 48h after infection.
The authors measured gene expression in circulating hemocytes, 48h after infection, at which stage hemocyte proliferation, lamellocyte differentiation and parasitoid encapsulation is already well underway. The induction of the critical two processes, hemocyte proliferation and lamellocyte differentiation, may not be fully detectable from gene expression of only the circulating hemocytes themselves at this late stage of the immune response. Clearly, the authors do show that differentiation from circulating plasmatocytes can be detected, using pseudotime, and also revealed changes in gene expression in uninfected selected larvae. Yet, how induction in the lymph glands or sessile clusters has changed by experimental evolution, and whether the inducible response had indeed proceeded towards a constitutive response, requires further investigation along a wider time course (e.g. during early larval development) and perhaps in different tissues (e.g. lymph glands). If the author cannot address this, this aspect would need some discussion.
4) The changes in gene expression after selection can be presented clearer.
The description of these results (from L111 onwards), and Figure 2, difficult to read and understand, while it is key to the claim that the inducible response has become hardwired into a constitutive response. In the text it starts out with saying that "data was pooled to investigate global changes" (L116-117), but then it refers in Figure 2 to the x-axis which only provides the data for the control lines. This figure 2 is difficult to grasp, as the strong positive correlation in a) means something different (i.e. stronger constitutive response) than the very similar positive correlation in b) (weaker induced response), while c shows that control and selected larvae respond the same to infection. Is there a better way to tease apart these patterns in a figure, and to explain them in the text? Also, the data is all expressed in log2 fold changes (relative to non-infected control line individuals?). Also, for a subset of approximately 170 genes, the authors showed that the increase in expression had already started without the infection in the selection lines. Do the functional annotations of these genes reveal anything of interest for hemocyte proliferation and the differentiation towards lamellocytes?
5) Other studies came to partially contrasting, partially similar conclusions.
Transcriptomics on whole larvae after experimental evolution for high parasitism was done for Drosophila, using a different parasitoid species. In this study, they also found the typical increased density of hemocytes in Drosophila selected for increased parasitoid resistance, without being infected. However, contrary to the authors, this study concluded this increase in hemocytes could not be attribute to a pre-activation of the immune response. Additionally, the genes for hematopoiesis and for several effector genes showed opposite patterns to those that would explain the increased density of hemocytes in selected lines or for an pre-activation of the inducible response (Wertheim et al, 2011, Molecular Ecology). However, in line with the findings for the current study, whole-larvae RNAseq after parasitoid infection did not result in substantial gene expression differences between selected lines and control lines (Salazar et al, 2017, BMC Genomics), while substantial differences were reported in uninfected larvae of selection and control line larvae (Wertheim et al, 2011, Molecular Ecology). These whole-body transcriptomics experiments lacked the resolution to measure specifically what changed in hemocytes, but both studies indicate that much of the increased resistance after selection is likely caused by changes in constitutive immunity, not by increasing the acute/inducible immune response.
6) Another concern is related to the parasitoid species. Leptopilina boulardi is a parasitoid that relies partly on VLPs to overcome the host defense. This is not discussed, not even mentioned. Some older work (Fellowes et al 1999, Evolution), shows that, while resistance evolves readily against L. boulardi, populations resistant against L. boulardi are also cross-resistant to another Leptopilina species. The immune effectors studied in this manuscript are obviously playing a significant role, but how do the evolved flies cope with the VLPs? The paper would benefit from at least discussing this issue.
7) The selection of larvae for the single cell work warrants some clarification. According to figure 1b just under 50% of parasitoid resistant larvae showed an increased encapsulation response. This is presumably also related to the increase of expression of immune effectors. How is this accounted for in the single cell work? And if not, do you have any way to get an estimate of the variance in the response variables?
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Based on their previous work showing that cell proliferation and differentiation are associated with distinct tRNA programs and codon usages, the authors employed a CRISPR-Cas9 based approach to deplete families of tRNAs belonging to "proliferation" and "differentiation" groups and test the effects of such manipulation on the fitness of cells in different proliferative states. Using competition assays, the authors provide evidence that "proliferative" tRNAs are more essential in fast-proliferating cells, while "differentiation" tRNAs exert higher essentiality in slower proliferating cells. The authors also determined the essentiality of investigated tRNAs in senescent and quiescent cells which revealed more complex patterns. Overall, it was thought that this study is of broad potential interest inasmuch as it suggests that tRNAs have distinct essentiality in different cells and across distinct proliferative states. Moreover, it was found that this constitutes pioneering work wherein the effects of systematically knocking out tRNA genes are directly studied, an important milestone by itself when considering the abundance and variability of isodecoder species and the homology between isoacceptors. Notwithstanding the overall enthusiasm for the potential importance of the study and uniqueness of the approach, it was found that several major issues should be addressed to corroborate author's conclusions as outlined below.
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1) It was thought that a number of important controls were missing. The potential off-target effects of CRISPR-Cas9 method need further validation. Fig S1B should be extended in order to clarify which sgRNAs are potentially off-targeting which tRNA. The manuscript would also benefit from experimentally testing the off-target effects of some of the sgRNAs, especially those binding to other tRNA families. To accurately compare HeLa cells with fibroblasts, the authors should determine potential tRNA expression and codon usage differences between them. Moreover, the efficacy of tRNA depletion between the cell lines should be assessed. Figure 5-additional controls should be provided to ascertain that cells are indeed in quiescent and senescent states. In Figure 5A, it should be explained why the 3 day time point was used when in the most of the study it is shown that the strongest effects occur after 7 days of induction.
2) Some experimental conditions remain unclear. For instance, it is noted that sgRNA plasmids were selected by puromycin, whereby WI38 cells appear to already be puromycin resistant. It is also not clear how were competition assays carried out in cell arrested states. In general, it was thought that the authors should be more specific regarding their read-outs (i.e. specify whether proliferation or survival were monitored).
3) Several issues were raised apropos statistical analyses. In figures 3C and D, to assess whether tested variables are truly independent, the authors should use a linear regression modelling Relative fitness ~ tRNA expression (in C) and Relative fitness ~ fraction CRISPR targeted tRNAs (in D). In addition, it is not clear why is z-transformation applied in figure 5E? The heatmap summarizes tRNA essentiality, which in figures 3 and 5C, is depicted using an untransformed log2FC. Using z-transformed and untransformed values to estimate the same effects was thought not to be advisable. Finally, the authors should also include the number of biological replicates, types of statistical tests and their outcomes in each figure where applicable, as in some cases these are missing.
4) Several statements were found not to be adequately supported by the data. For example, the statement: "our results show that some tRNAs are essential specifically for cancerous cells and not in differentiated cells ... (and the next sentence)", was found not to be supported by the presented data. To this end, the authors are advised either to provide data corroborating these conclusions or to tone down their statements. Also, in discussion section, given that this work is the first in systematically knocking out tRNA gene families, some comment on the potential and limitations of the method appears to be warranted.
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All three reviewers agree that the research question under study, the requirement of the cross-talk between two important developmental signaling pathways - retinoic acid and the NO - for amphioxus pharynx development, is in principle interesting and could be suitable for publication in eLife.
However, at present there are major open concerns especially on the lack of statistical analyses, quality of data presentation and inconsistencies with previously published work, that need to be addressed. Although it is the current policy of eLife to avoid additional experiments in revisions as much as possible, this is unfortunately likely impossible to fulfil with the current manuscript in order to bring it to a level that matches the standards of eLife. However, we think that in many cases an improvement of analyses and data presentation will likely already significantly improve the manuscript.
1) The presented study is a follow-up on a previous paper by the same lab (Annona et al 2017 ; DOI:10.1038/s41598-017-08157-w). When comparing the work of this previous study with the current manuscript two major discrepancies are apparent:
In Annona et al the two drugs were used to inhibit NOS production: L-NAME and TRIM, while only one inhibitor was used in the present study. Furthermore, there appear to be discrepancies concerning the developmental time windows during which chemical disruption of NO signaling is effective described in the two publications. This needs to be clarified.
The timing of NosA,B,C expression, the suggested regulation of NosA and B by retinoic acid (RA) and the detected presumptive RARE regulatory elements in the genome don't match. More specifically, NosA,B,C expression at 24 hours (or around this time point) was investigated by Annona et al, 2017. Based on these data, NosA is not expressed during development, whereas NosB and NosC are expressed. In the submitted manuscript, the authors show that NosA and NosB are upregulated upon RA treatment, whereas NosC shows no changes in expression. They therefore suggest that RA regulates NosA and NosB transcription. Since only NosB is expressed during the relevant timepoints at early development, the transcription of this gene could be under the regulation of RA. However, when the authors look into the retinoic acid response elements (RARE) in the genomic region of NosB, they only find a DR3, which is not the typical RARE. They find DR1 and DR5 (apart from DR3's), which are more typical RARE's, in the genomic region of NosA, but as mentioned this gene is not expressed during development. This makes the hypothesis of a direct regulation of NosA and NosB by RA during normal development unconvincing. Can the author dissolve these apparent discrepancies?
2) The authors study the open chomatin structure at 8, 15, 36 and 60 hours, thus time points, which do not overlap with the drug treatment period (24-30 hours). They need to analyze the genome architecture at this time period.
3) The previous work by Annona et al 2017 et al shows that a major peak at NO levels occurs later than the chosen treatment window. How do NO levels during the time window of the experiment compare with other studies, i.e. is there evidence these are relevant levels? This is particularly noteworthy, as there is no control experiment showing that TRIM incubation affects NO levels or NO signaling during the incubation period (e.g. DAF-FM-DA staining or by NO quantification). It is therefore not possible to estimate the specificity of the resulting phenotypes.
We thus request from the authors to provide ISH patterns of all the Nos genes, as well as NO localisation from at least 2 timepoints (e.g. start and end of window) of the TRIM application window.
4) One overarching critique is that the general description of the figures and hence also the phenotypes are of poor quality. An improvement of this point will already majorly improve the entire manuscript.
Fig.1A: Indicate developmental stages (N2, N4, T1, T2, T3, L0) together with the hours-post-fertilization (hpf) to facilitate the understanding of the treatment period with respect to the development of amphioxus.
Fig.1B: Outline pharyngeal region e.g. with thin, dashed white lines in longitudinal and cross-sections and indicate relevant anatomical structures (club-shaped gland, endostyle, gill slits) e.g. with an arrow. Is the endostyle positioned more ventrally in TRIM treated larva?
Figure 1C: why are Cyp26.3, Rdh11/12.18 and Crabp shown in triplicates?
Fig.1B: The 'digital sectioning' method using confocal imaging and reconstruction of nuclear stainings is not suited to characterize the phenotype. Due to the loss of signal in deeper regions, morphological structures (e.g. differences in pharyngeal and gill slit morphology, endostyl, club-shaped glands) are impossible to recognize.
Fig.3B: the heads of these amphioxus should be annotated to indicate key structures for non-amphioxus specialists. Ideally the images should be higher magnification and resolution as well, as the morphology is currently not very clear.
Fig.3A and B: Furthermore, the morphological differences between 'altered', 'partially recovered' and 'recovered' is unclear. Fig.3B does not help understanding changes as the pictures are too small to recognize any morphological details without staining, and no structures are indicated. It is also unclear how animals scored as 'altered', 'partially recovered' and 'recovered' differ in their morphological structures. And does 'recovered' mean that these embryos show an initial phenotype that then 'recovers' during development, or do they show a completely normal development?
5) Missing statistics/statistical information: Lines 85-89 (Fig.1): Where is the evidence that there is reduction in pharynx length? Where is the evidence for a smaller first gill slit? Measurements with a decent sample size and a basic statistical test must be provided.
The description of ISH pictures in Fig.2A lacks any quantification and thus any information on the penetrance of the respective phenotypes are (as in Fig 3C). The lack of any 'negative control genes' (the large set of genes that, based on the RNASeq dataset, should not be affected) make it difficult to judge how specific changes in AP axis and RA pathway genes are.
How did the authors obtain the qRT-PCR calculations? They need to clarify how they obtained the Fold changes shown in the histograms .e.g. by showing the maths behind the result when marking the cells in the excel sheet. The raw data for rpl32 is missing for Crabp in Figure 2B. The qPCR results in Fig.2B-E lack significance tests.
6) The RNA-Seq study needs improvements: The PCA (Fig.S1C) shows no concordance among control samples or treated samples. Also, the histogram shows a clustering of replicates, and NOT of 'treated' and 'control' samples. This casts doubts on the quality and validity of the RNASeq dataset. These doubts are not removed by the current validation experiments, as these experiments tested only significantly upregulated genes by RNA-Seq, while downregulated and non-significant genes as 'controls' are missing. These additional controls are necessary to assess the validity of the RNA-Seq data.
7) More information about the details of the ATACseq and ChIPseq data used, as well as the general RA responsive elements prediction is required.
For example, in what amphioxus samples (and treatments if any) are these ATACseq and ChIPseq signals seen? There is some detail provided in the Methods section, but something is odd here and perhaps needs some further explanation. Since the two relevant Nos genes are supposedly not active during development then why do they have ATACseq and ChIPseq signals from embryo and larval samples? Why should these two Nos genes have apparently active regulatory elements focused on RAREs when the genes are not normally expressed under the control of RA, but only become active when exogenous RA is applied? We may well have missed something in the logic here, but this merely shows that the current level of explanation is insufficient.
The analysis of RA responsive elements lacks statistical analysis and depth. It is left unclear how many RAREs would be expected by chance on a 52kb resp. 25kb locus. In addition, the authors include all ATAC-Seq peaks from stages ranging between 8h and 60hpf, while the window of RA responsiveness has been tightly restricted to the 24h-30hpf window. Also, as NosC expression levels stay constant upon RA incubation, it would be crucial to know if the NosC locus lacks any open RARE sites (as would be expected).
The authors use NHR-SCAN tool to predict putative direct repeats binding sites in the genomic sequence of NosA and NosB. Which consensus sequence does the program follow? It appears that it does not follow the consensus sequence for typical RARE ((A/G)G(G/T)TCA), since the sequence for DR1 deviate from this sequence? DR1, DR2 and DR5 are the commonly described binding RARE's for the RAR/RXR heterodimers. Further, DR8 has been described as retinoic acid dependent regulation of gene transcription through RAR/RXR (Moutier et al., 2012). The authors need to provide clarification which are the most commonly used RARE's of the DR's detected.
Please also mention if RAREs fall within an intron in the genomic regions of the Nos genes, since the transcriptional regulation through RARE is often associated to introns.
8) Information on the concentration dependency of compounds used in the rescue experiment is lacking. Please explain why the BMS009 concentration used here (10exp-6 M) is 10x higher than the highest concentration used in the original publication on amphioxus pharynx development (Escriva et al., Development 2002).
9) A summary drawing of the regulatory loop between NO and RA would be informative, also indicating the known target genes (from this study).
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The reviewers feel that while many comments were adequately addressed, several essential points remain problematic and do not support the conclusions of the manuscript. These include experiments with technical difficulties or uninterpretable results. If you are willing and able to address the reviewers' concerns you may resubmit a revised manuscript with a detailed rebuttal letter.
It is required that you address the following to be reconsidered for publication:
1) Additional NSC markers must be optimized. Dpn staining in some figures is unconvincing and must be verified using additional markers.
2) Cell markers routinely used by many labs must work (Wor, Ase, Elav).
3) Dpn is a reagent that works well and should be clear.
Please note that this decision letter does not guarantee that this manuscript will be accepted. At least one reviewer feels that their concerns were not addressed in the revised manuscript and that it is in everyone's best interests that the authors can prove that the inability to provide the appropriate expression patterns is not indicative of a deeper problem with the underlying hypothesis.
1) Major comment. The main conclusion of the paper (glia transform into NSCs which produce neurons) but is not supported by data: only one NSC marker used out of many available. The authors tried two additional NSC markers but did not observe staining, despite these reagents working for many labs in many publications. "We did not consider these results satisfactory enough to present."
This is a major flaw, especially how unusual the Dpn staining looks like in the ectopic Dpn+ cells (very speckly). Failure to show additional NSC markers very concerning is areal issue; also no evidence for asymmetric cell division at mitosis (a hallmark of these NSCs).
2) There is no evidence for proliferation of the ectopic Dpn+ cells. The authors state that ectopic Dpn+ cells expressed the S phase marker PCNA:GFP and can be labeled with the mitotic marker pH3.
However, only panes 8A-C show PCNA+ Dpn+ cells, which are increased following dilp-6 overexpression. No data in the figure shows ectopic Dpn+ cells that are pH3. The rest of the figure shows glial markers and PCNA or pH3, which is irrelevant to the question of whether ectopic Dpn+ cells can divide.
3) To show evidence that ectopic Dpn+ cells produce neuronal progeny, the authors used the pros-Gal4 line to drive flybow expression, and observed a small cluster of cells that included one Dpn+ and one Elav+ cell. As the authors say "this does not prove these cells are related by lineage, but is consistent with it."
This does not show Dpn+ cells are producing neurons.
4) The authors also used "flip out" genetics to permanently mark glial cells.
The genetics shown in the figure, legend, and reviewer response will not specifically label glia. The genotype is: actGAL4>y+>UASGFP/UAS-FLP; repoGAL4/Dilp-6. This would induce Flp widely, in all cells due to ubiquitous expression of actin-gal4. Most likely, the authors wrote down the wrong genotype in the figure, legend, methods, and reviewer response - it is probably actin promotor-FRT-stop-FRT-GFP. They cite Table 1 for more information on genotypes but there is no Table 1 provided.
5) In order to call Kon and ia-2 partners, a direct physical interaction should be shown. The authors could not get the biochemical experiments to work for various reasons. Changed text from "partners" to "functional neuronal partner."
The continued use of 'partner' is inappropriate. The most accurate description of their relationship is that they show 'genetic interactions' - so the first results header should be changed from "Ia-2 is a functional partner of Kon" to "Ia-2 and Kon show genetic interactions."
6) Saying ectopic Pros+ cells are GMCs or neurons is premature and can be definitively resolved by staining for Wor or Dpn (neuroblast-specific), Ase (neuroblast and GMC), and Elav (neurons). All have been extensively used by many labs. The authors could not get the stains to work.
This is unsatisfactory.
7) Line 219 says loss of ia-2 "destabilizes cell fate" - which is a vague term that obscures the phenotype. The authors changed text to "... upregulated GMC and NSC markers."
They looked at Dpn but no other NSC marker, and Pros is not a specific GMC marker, also being expressed in neuropile glia near the midline (which is worrying).
8) Dpn staining in figure 3D is unconvincing; everything looks speckly. The authors state that Dpn staining is speckly in their hands.
Many labs have used Dpn to mark neuroblasts, it is a very reliable reagent. The authors have good Dpn staining in other figures; this suggest to me that the ectopic Dpn+ cells are different from the normal Dpn+ NPCs, leading to different protein localization/levels. This concern is reinforced by the failure of the authors to show the ectopic Dpn+ cells express any other NSC marker.
9) Ectopic Dpn+ cells were not quantified due to due to the disruption and variability of the abdominal crush procedure. The authors only counted the VNCs in which they could see ectopic Dpn+ (cells).
Picking only VNCs that show ectopic Dpn+ cells is inappropriate.
7) In response to InR-Gal4 expression concersn, the authors state "we do not know whether (InR-gal4) represents the endogenous expression pattern". It labels sparse patterns of neurons and sporadic glial cells.
The authors directly state in the revised manuscript "we visualized InR expression using available GAL4 lines to drive his-YFP" but in the reviewer response they acknowledge this is not accurate.
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This manuscript sets out to identify a role for ubiquitin phosphorylation and to identify the kinases necessary for it. The same group has previously shown that serine 57 phosphorylation can be detected in yeast cells. Here they generate strains expressing only phosphomimetic or phosphonull mutants and asses their phenotype in terms of Ubiquitin linkage alone and effect on cell physiology. Among other phenotypes, they find that a strain expressing a non phosphorylable ubiquitin likely fails to mount a response to low doses of H2O2, leading to a slightly increased sensitivity to this chemical. They also find that treatment with H2O2 slightly increases the amount of phosphorylated Ubiquitin. They then go on to identify the kinases responsible for this phosphorylation using a screen in E. coli, which homes in two kinases, Vhs1 and Sks1.
They delete both kinase and show that this, to a large extent phenocopies the expression of a non-phosphorylable Ubiquitin, and that expression of a phosphomimetic rescued some of the phenotypes of the kinase deleted strain. They also show that overexpressing one of the kinase increases the amount of phosphorylation on ubiquitin.
Finally, they perform a similar screen using human kinases and human ubiquitin and identify a family of kinases that have the ability to phosphorylate ubiquitin in E. coli.
All three reviewers found the work of interest. Yet, because pSer57-Ubiquitin is so rare, they expressed concerns that the observed phosphorylation of Ubiquitin could be an epiphenomenon of little incidence to cell function.
First, the phenotypes of the alanine and aspartate mutants may be due to general effects on Ubiquitin rather than true phospho-Null and -mimetics effects. This concern is minimized by showing that the deletion and overexpression of the kinases phenocopy the ubiquitin mutants. Indeed analysis of the ubiquitin mutant is only valid in the light of this phenocopy. Yet, because of its importance, this point can and should be pushed further. For instance, while the asp mutant is sensitive to hydroxyurea, the ala mutant behaves as a wildtype. This is at odds with the fact that the KO of each kinase individually increase HU resistance. In this case at least, the effect of deleting the kinase does not appear to involve a decrease in the level of ser57 phosphorylation. How can this be reconciled? Also, while you show that expressing the 57Asp bypasses the need for the kinase in the H2O2 sensitivity assay, is it also the case for the HU and tunicamicin resistance bestowed by the deletion of the kinases? Please find in the specific points a list of experiments required to better pinpoint the phenocopy that is so essential for the relevance of this study. Also, overexpression Vhs1 causes a slight canavanine resistance, reminiscent of canavanine resistance confered by s57d expression. Vhs1 overexpression should therefore not confer canavanine resistance if expressed in a s57a background. This is important to strengthen the phenocopy.
Second, while you show that both kinases can phosphorylate Ubiquitin in bacteria and in vitro, and that the overexpression of one of them increases the phosphorylation levels, you do not show how deletion of the kinase affect phosphorylation. This can and should be done, in particular to show if the observed increase in phosphorylation upon oxidative stress is mediated by these kinases.
Third, given the low abundance of pS57 ubiquitin, it is hard to conceive that this modification has an important effect on global chain linkage, unless this rare modification is applied to an equally rare set of substrates (like for instance PINK-1 mediated phosphorylation of ubiquitin is limited to the pool of ubiquitin that is on mitochondrial proteins). This should be better emphasized throughout the manuscript so as not to mislead readers into believing that a substantial fraction of ubiquitin is subjected to phosphorylation.
Fourth, in many cases, the experiments are not described in a sufficient amount of detail. For instance, vectors used herein are not described anywhere, nor is the way that all copies of ubiquitin have been replaced with mutant forms. The supplementary table 2 is absent, so is supplementary table 1. A much better methods section is required to ensure the reproducibility of the experiments. Better descriptions of numbers pertaining to quantitative analysis, statistical test employed an p-value threshold, description of error bars (Stdev, SEM...) are also needed in figures and legends.
Here are other major points.
1) In Figure 1A and Figure 3 supplement 1, the authors test the effect of ubiquitin phospho-mutants and absence of kinases, respectively, on the ability of yeast cells to recover from acute heat stress. Firstly, it is puzzling though the experimental conditions are the same (39ᵒC for 18 hours and shifted back to 26ᵒC for recovery) in both cases, the wild-type strain is as good as dead in Figure 1A while it grows fine in Figure 3 supplement 1. Importantly, to validate the resistance phenotype of the S57D mutant, the authors should rather over-express the kinases and see that cells grow better in this condition compared to the wild-type and much better compared to the S57A mutant.
2) In Figure 1F, the authors employ anti-K48 ubiquitin and anti-K63 ubiquitin antibodies to show the specificity varies between S57A and the S57D mutant. The concern here is whether the serine mutants affect the binding of the antibodies. For instance, the epitope recognized by the anti-K63 ubiquitin antibody could involve the serine 57, however, when mutated to aspartate, the antibody can lose its ability to bind K63-linked ubiquitin. Is there a way to rule this out?
3) The authors show that S57D increase K48 but decrease K63-linkages whereas S57A decrease K48 but increase K63-linkages upon H2O2 treatment (Figure 1F). What about overexpression or deletion of Vhs1 and Sks1? Does absence of the kinases impact the mutual abundance of ubiquitin K48 and K63 linkages in vivo? Gly-Gly peptides analysis of the data in the experiment from Figure 2G might answer this.
4) Deletion of the kinases increase resistance to tunicamycin. However expression of S57A does not. To strengthen the case of the phenocopy, it is important to check if kinases have ubiquitin-independet effects and how much of the phenocopy is actually wrought by independent mechanisms.
5) In general, the growth assays on tunicamycin, hydroxyurea or canavanin in F1S1, F3S2, F3S3 and F3S4 should rather be moved to the main figures.
6) In Figure 4, human MARK kinases are found to trigger phosphorylation on UbS57 in vitro. It would be insightful to validate this finding in vivo and check whether phosphorylation of UbS57 also regulate the oxidative stress response in mammalian cells. I understand however that this might be take much longer to do than the timeframe which is allocated for revision. In this context, the authors may consider avoiding finishing the paper with these preliminary mammalian data and move them elsewhere in the manuscript. For instance, splitting data from Figure 2 in Figures 2 and 3 and moving figure 4C in the new Figure 2 (and figures 4A and B in supplement) would save some space to end the paper with the current Figure 3 and its supplements.
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In the manuscript by Yang et al. the authors investigate in zebrafish the effect of leakage of pro-inflammatory LPS form the brain in peripheral tissues. Using beautiful live imaging and genetic manipulations, they find that macrophages infiltrate the liver and their recruitment depends on myd88 and il34, thus underscoring the existence of rapid communication between the brain and the liver that may play a role in immune surveillance.
Two new reviewers and one reviewer that evaluated the previous version of this work agreed in that the manuscript has been greatly improved with substantial new data and an in-depth revision. Two key experimental manipulations, the knock down of myd88 and il34, are now backed by stable loss of function mutations and several experiments have been strengthen with new or improved analyses. However, there are still two important experimental manipulations using morpholinos that have not been properly controlled. In addition, editorial changes are needed to better explain the use of LPS injections as an experimental tool.
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1) The authors use morpholinos targeting csf3r and pu.1 expression and draw important conclusions based on those experiments. Given the inherent problems of morpholinos, particularly for inflammation studies, it is necessary to support the use of those reagents with stable mutants and/or additional controls. If mutants are not available or cannot be generated, the knockdown experiments may be further supported with rescue experiments and or F0 Criprs, in which case the significance of any findings related to those experiments should be tempered with an appropriate discussion of the caveats.
2) While brain injections of LPS can be a useful tool as used in this work, it is hardly a physiological condition. An editorial revision should address caveats and limitations, perhaps highlighting the use of this experimental approach as a tool.
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This is an interesting study demonstrating the use of CRISPR/Cas9 to prevent development of Fuchs' corneal dystrophy in a mouse model in which the human mutation (Q455K / Q455K) was knocked into the Col8a2 gene. This gene mutation has been previously shown to induce early-onset Fuchs' dystrophy in patients. This is an important observation with translational potential to treat a subpopulation of patients with Fuchs' dystrophy.
In general, the data support the author's conclusion that Adenovirus-Cas9-gRNA restores the phenotype in adult post-mitotic cells.
I have a two major questions/issues:
1) The data presented in Fig. 3 are critical to the paper and show that Ad-Cas9-Col8a2gRNA treatment reduces expression of the Col8A2 protein in corneal endothelial cells. However, there is no quantitative assessment of the protein reduction other than the images presented from three cross sections. Since Fig 2a indicates the transduction of the corneal endothelial cells is not evenly distributed, some type of quantitative assessment is needed for Fig. 3, either measuring the antibody staining in numerous sections from several different corneas, or by western blot. This is necessary, even though there is quantitative assessment of the change in phenotype of the treated corneas (corneal endothelial cell density, morphology, and guttae-like lesion expression).
2) To demonstrate that Ad-Cas9-Col8a2gRNA treatment rescued corneal endothelial cell function in the mutant mice, the authors developed an assay that measured the ability of endothelial cell pump function to reduce swelling of the stroma after the corneas were induced to swell by adding hypertonic solutions. While this assay does measure pump function, there is a more direct measure of mutant corneal endothelial cells. The investigators that created the Col8A2 (Q455K / Q455K) mutant mice demonstrated the mutation caused an activation of UPR (unfolded protein response) as shown by an increase in Grp78 and Grp153 in corneal endothelial cells. In my opinion, demonstrating rescue of this function in the mutant mice would have been significantly more impressive.
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The study by Uehara et al titled "Start codon disruption with CRISPR/Cas9 prevents murine Fuchs' endothelial corneal dystrophy" describes a strategy for resolving a dominant negative disease phenotype by CRISPR/Cas9 targeting of the start codon of the causative gene, Col8a2. The authors employ recombinant adenovirus packaging SpCas9 and a single gRNA targeting the start codon of the Col8a2 ORF. In vivo efficacy in wild type mice correlates with a qualitative reduction in COL8A2 expression in these mice by immunostaining. Using a mouse model homozygous for a causative mutation, Col8a2Q455K/Q455K, the authors show a significant reduction in disease pathology, qualitatively via tissue architecture and quantitatively by assaying corneal endothelial pump function. Off-target effects are modeled in vitro and identify several sites, but no significant concerns noted. Overall, the study provides proof-of-concept and feasibility of utilizing this approach, with significant possible outcomes for FECD. Significant concerns pertaining to cassette design, data analysis and additional experiments are highlighted below.
1) The vector construct utilizes a ubiquitous promoter, Chicken beta actin (truncated) to drive Cas9 expression and a U6 promoter to drive guide RNA. It is unclear why the authors only see a qualitative effect on protein knockdown by immunostaining in the endothelium. Does Adenovirus not infect underlying stromal or epithelial cells? The presence/absence of Ad DNA in these other cells has not been evaluated.
2) A correlation between expression of Cas9, gRNA and COL8A2 (protein and mRNA) would be important to establish in mice. This is especially critical to demonstrate in the disease model not only to correlate protein knockdown with restored function, but because the efficiency of Ad infection or gene editing could vary in diseased cells.
3) The authors note that the indel frequency, determined by deep sequencing, appears inconsistent with the observed protein knockdown as determined by immunostaining of tissue sections. However, while the indel frequency is determined quantitatively (~20-25%), but the protein and mRNA levels are not quantified. Is the half-life of wt and mutant COL8A2 known? The authors also report an editing normalized indel rate of 102% in endothelial cells. While the hypothesis of gDNA contamination from non-targeted tissue is likely true (supported by experimental evidence from Supplemental Figure 2), the method used for correction is insufficient to be used to report a true, corrected indel frequency.
4) Overall what is the minimum/threshold % of endothelial cells that need to be edited to restore function? This information will be critical in designing vector dose and altering promoter strength/specificity to reduce off-target effects. While the impact of vector dose on COL8A2 expression knockdown is assessed, data pertaining to off-target effects at different doses are not presented.
5) Does overexpression of spCas9, gRNA and knockdown of COL8A2 affect the expression of other genes in the endothelium? The authors analyze the impact of Ad dosing at the inflammatory level, but consequences of control vs treatment vector on endothelial cell gene expression have not been evaluated (e.g., Yu et al., Nat Commun, 2017).
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Repair of any genetic disease is of interest, and Uehara and colleagues have shown an improvement in corneal tissue architecture and function in a mouse model of Fuchs' Dystrophy using gene editing delivered by adenovirus. The current review raises a number of important points. A quantitative assessment of Col protein level relative to the expression of Cas9 and gRNA (Reviewer 1, point 2) would strengthen the data shown in Figure 3, as was also suggested by Reviewer 2 (point 1), and must be carried out. This would also help the argument presented by authors regarding genomic DNA contamination that was indirectly addressed by Sup. Fig 2. Although not required, it is recommended that the question of inflammation and/or effects on gene expression by the adenovirus be addressed more thoroughly, by sequencing or by a more thorough evaluation of gene expression changes. This is an issue as Adenovirus is known to incite pathological inflammatory effects. Finally, again not required by recommended, the authors are encouraged to assay for a correction of the UPR.
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Please quantify the levels of collage protein. Please see the reviews for additional comments.
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In this study, Walls et al examine the role of PKM2 in NK cells. PKM2, the glycolytic enzyme that converts PEP to pyruvate, is expressed in NK cells and further upregulated during NK cell activation by Il-2/IL-12 stimulation. However, NK cells lacking PKM2 are activated normally in vitro and in vivo during MCMV infection, as indicated by proliferation, production of IFNg and TNF, expression of Granzyme B, and viral clearance. The authors attribute the lack of phenotype to compensatory induction of PKM1. The authors' findings also suggest that while in other cell types PKM2 may "moonlight" in a transcriptional role, any such role for PKM2 in NK cells seems not to influence NK cell activation, at least in the contexts studied.
PKM2, unlike PKM1, can form a tetramer with increased enzyme activity. In other contexts, such tetramerization is thought to enhance flux through glycolysis which disfavors glycolytic intermediates from being diverted to biosynthetic shunts like the PPP. The authors next asked how such tetramerization of PKM2 may influence NK cell activation, using a small molecule TEPP-46 that enhances PKM2 tetramerization. The authors found that TEPP-46 treatment during NK cell activation led to reduced cellular growth, reduced production of the PPP metabolites R5P and NADPH, increased cellular ROS, and reduced oxidative metabolism, as well as reduced production of IFNg and TNF and reduced expression of Granzyme B.
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1) The authors should provide some mechanistic insight into how PKM2 tetramerization leads to reduced NK cell activation. Does treatment with ROS scavengers like NAC or cell permeable glutathione rescue the effects of TEPP-46 on NK cell activation?
2) Does PKM2 undergo tetramerization in a physiological context? Given the lack of a phenotype in the PKM2 KO in the in vitro or in vivo conditions that the authors analyzed, it seems like tetramerization may not occur (because PKM1, which is upregulated, is thought to not tetramerize). At the very least, the authors should discuss under what conditions PKM2 tetramerization can occur to suppress NK cell activation.
3) The authors should confirm that TEPP-46 has no effect in PKM2 KO cells.
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Cannabidiol (CBD) has been recently approved for treatment of epilepsy. Some of CBD anti-epileptic properties might be due to CBD inhibition of voltage-gated sodium channels but the molecular mechanism of such inhibition is unknown. Sait et al. studied the molecular bases of CBD inhibition using X-ray crystallography in application to the bacterial sodium channel NavMs. The authors solved NavMS structures in the apo state and in complex with CBD and based on structural comparison, identified CBD binding sites and proposed the molecular mechanism of sodium channel inhibition by CBD. The crystal structures are of high quality and among the best published structures of sodium channels, and the study is without doubt of high importance.
This is a solid manuscript from an experienced group that reports structural insights into cannabidiol interactions with the voltage-gated sodium channel NavM. The manuscript is easy to read, well-executed, and reveals interesting data.
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The weakness of this study is the lack of functional data that would greatly complement the excellent structural results. Electrophysiological data showing the interaction of CBD with NavMs should be obtained and presented. This should be a very easy experiment to perform. CBD has been show to block the NachBac sodium channel, but there is no record in the literature that shows that CBD also blocks NavMs.
This is a fundamental experiment that should be included in a revised version of the paper. It will also be of great interest to test the results of their structure by mutating appropriate sodium channel residues (e.g. in Nav1.1) and measure changes in cannabidiol interaction.
Similarly, discussion of the different ways CBD and THC bind to NavMs (page 6) would greatly benefit from a comparison of the physiological effects of these two compounds. Does THC block NavMs and if it does, what is Kd/IC50 for THC compared to CBD?
Electron density observed at the CBD site in the apo state structure needs to be shown side by side with the density for CBD in the structure obtained in the presence of CBD (a supplementary figure would suffice). Along these lines, it might be a good idea to add a brief discussion on how physiologically relevant is the apo state density. For example, if this site is always occupied by a lipid in physiological conditions, the channel would never open.
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This paper describes a modelling and simulation project which utilises a mixture of data-sets to predict the likely concentrations (total blood) from the currently recommended hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) (chloroquine (CQ)) dose regimens for COVID-19.
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Line 93: The NONMEM simulation code could not be found in the list of contents of the GitHub site. When searching for NONMEM in the Rmd file it does not appear. Please provide full details on how to access the PK modelling used.
Line 171: Please describe the model used to simulate the PK profile in order to obtain peak concentrations.
As not all regimens could be tested in the model, it would be highly informative to have the loading, maintenance and duration of dose used in the ~90 registered clinical trials summarised in a supplementary table. This would clarify how the wide range of chloroquine dosages currently being used relate to dosages modelled in terms of predicted exposure and mortality risk. This is needed to support the Impact statement that "Most chloroquine regimens trialled for the treatment of COVID19 will not result in life-threatening cardiovascular toxicity".
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In their manuscript entitled "Multiple Wnts act synergistically to induce Chk1/Grapes expression and mediate G2 arrest in Drosophila tracheoblasts," Kizhedathu and colleagues investigate the developmental regulation of Chk1 activation in larval tracheoblasts of the Dorsal Trunk segment tr2. They find that four Wnt ligands are required to achieve a level of active Chk1 (pChk1) needed to maintain tracheoblasts in G2 arrest. This regulation is achieved by autocrine signaling in which the canonical Wnt pathway is activated by 4 Wnt ligands expressed in the trachea at high levles. Wnt signaling is required for transcription of Chk1. None of the 4 highly expressed Wnts are dispensable. Release from G2 is required for activation of the dpp/tkv/pMad pathway that spurs continuing cell divisions.
This is a Research Advance manuscript following up on work reported in a prior publication entitled "Negative regulation of G2-M by ATR/Chk1 (Grapes) facilitates tracheoblast growth and tracheal hypertrophy in Drosophila." The current work makes several important contributions. Having initially identified a G2 cell cycle arrest dependent on Chk1 and Atr, but not upon DNA damage, the authors now show that the cell cycle arrest is maintained through a canonical Wnt signal that mediates transcription of chk1 mRNA. The authors identify 4 Wnt ligands expressed in the tracheoblasts and show that all 4 are required for G2 maintenance via chk1 transcription, although individually dispensable for fz3 transcription. The authors also show that the dpp pathway signal required to drive tracheoblast cell divisions cannot operate during G2 cell cycle arrest. Lastly, authors note that Wnt5 is thought to signal through a nonconical pathway, but in this instance contributes to canonical signaling.
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1) Additional controls to confirm the requirement for 4 Wnts:
Is there any chance that there are off target effects from the RNAi that may cause this? Do the Wnt ligands impact each others' expression? Wnt ligand KD followed by qPCR analysis of the Wnt ligands could be useful. This issue is important to discuss, and test.
Test of second independent RNAi line where classic loss of function alleles are not available.
Test RNAi of the non-expressed Wnt ligands and addition of a supplemental table documenting the screen (Wnt and other pathways) with RNAi line numbers, drivers, temperatures and results.
2) Clarify ability of overexpressed Wnts to rescue, and determine the requirement for nonconical Wnt pathway:
Address whether derailed or doughnut are required in tracheoblasts.
Authors Wnt threshold model hinges on ability of overexpressed Wnt to compensate for loss of one Wnt ligand. However, this was only reported for one loss of function case (Wnt 6 RNAi), and only with one overexpressed Wnt (Wnt5). Authors should test ability of other Wnts to rescue, and should also address whether a conventional Wnt can substitute, when overexpressed, for Wnt5.
3) Address inhibition of mitoses during L2:
The authors show that downregulating the Wnt pathway in L2 stage does lead to the reduction of Chk1 mRNA (figures 3A and 2, respectively), but that this does not result in tracheoblast mitoses. This indicates that in L2, in contrast to L3, there must be some additional control which is lifted after L2/L3 metamorphosis. The authors should discuss this issue and present possible explanations. If they have any more relevant data, this should also be presented.
4) Move Figure 5S into results:
P. 14 lines 358-369. Minimally, it is not appropriate to introduce data in the discussion that is not discussed in the main results section. Moreover, the experiments and results are super interesting. I could be wrong because I am not an expert in the cell cycle, but I don't think the idea of a G2 arrested cell continuing to grow physically because it still expresses cell cycle promoting genes while in G2 arrest is really out there in the literature on cell and organ size control (although I think mammalian oocytes arrest in G2 and they get really big, but they also may have bridges to nurse-like cells to supplement growth). As such, I would strongly encourage the authors to make Fig 5-Figure supplement 1 part of the main figures and discuss the basic findings in the results section. Then it could be revisited in the Discussion section to put the result in the bigger picture context.
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In this study, Bennstein et al describe a T-bet negative ILC1-like cell population identified in cord blood. These cells lack the signature of NK cell genes and markers, and instead express genes and markers of T-cell lineage. In appropriate culture conditions these cells can differentiate into a complex repertoire of functional NK cells that express both NKG2A and diverse KIRs. The reviewers appreciated the attention to an important topic, but raised a substantial number of concerns about the manuscript as it currently stands. We therefore ask the authors to modify the manuscript according to the review recommendations.
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1) The authors state that ILC1-like cells which are T-bet and CD56 negative and lack expression of perforin and all 5 granzymes develop into effector NK cells with de novo CD94, NKG2A and KIR2DL3 expression. The authors need to further phenotype the differentiated cells, showing evidence of essential NK cell markers, including CD56, NKp46, granzyme B and perforin. Additionally, they should demonstrate that inhibitory KIR expression in the differentiated cells is functionally inhibitory and leads to increased cytotoxicity in educated cells. Despite the ILC1-like derived NK cells having increased KIR expression compared to the CD56bright-derived NK cells, CD56bright-derived NK cells were equally functional and exhibited more target-specific degranulation compared to ILC1-derived NK cells.
2) The idea proposed in the discussion that CB ILC1 may be cells that have failed to convert into T cells into the thymus is an attractive one and perhaps the authors may wish to test it by looking at markers of recent thymic emigrants in CB ILC1 - if possible?
3) It is unclear if proper functional controls were utilized in this study. Target-specific degranulation needs to be shown instead of total degranulation in fig 5, as fig 7c makes evident. Additionally, the equation used to calculate cytotoxicity for the CFSE-based method should be included in the materials & methods section. For the ADCC assay, it is unclear what cells were used for the control. Individual controls (antibody negative) for each cell population should be included.
4) How do the authors explain the phenotypic and functional differences between the individual ILC1-like subsets as defined by CD5 and CD161 expression and how do these individual subsets contribute to their proposed NKP potential? This point should be discussed in more detail.
5) The authors state that ILC1-like cells preferentially differentiate into mature KIR+ NK cells compared to CD56bright NK cells in the OP9-DL1 differentiation setting in the presence of IL-2, IL7 and IL-15. Cytokine stimulation (IL-2 and IL-15) of NK cells leading to the induction of proliferation and results in CD56 and NGK2A upregulation, even in mature CD56dim NK cells. Hence it is not surprising that CD56bright NK cells retained high NKG2A expression while actively proliferating. The present experimental setup therefore does not support their statement on line 570-573 of a branched NK cell lineage model.
6) The authors clearly show that the CD127+ Lin- population is highly heterogenous, just by looking at CD161, CD5, CCR9, CCR4 and CCR7. Therefore, the transcriptomic and epigenetic data on the bulk population are not informative. Single cell analysis should be used to define the heterogeneity, considering that Simoni et al. have previously reported the heterogenous nature of human ILC1s (Simoni et al., Immunity, 2017) and questioned the nature of lineages included.
7) The authors claim that the cells do not generate T cells. However, they only use IL-7 and FLT3, while in other protocols the used IL-7, FLT3L and SCF.
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Using a combination of single and array recordings, and voltage sensitive dye (VSD) imaging, the authors demonstrate that neurons in awake macaque V1 show anticipatory responses to a smoothly moving object outside their classical receptive field (RF). This anticipatory activity builds up slowly and can lead to spiking. Combining theoretical modeling, VSD imaging and LFP recordings, they further demonstrate that the spatio-temporal properties of these anticipatory responses are consistent with the hypothesis that they are generated by intra-V1 horizontal and inter-areal feedback connections. These results are important because they challenge classical models of motion integration that are largely based on feedforward mechanisms. In contrast to these models, the work presented here demonstrates a role for horizontal and feedback mechanisms in motion processing, and that motion integration starts at the lowest level of cortical processing, within V1 itself. The authors use a variety of methodologies to corroborate this result.
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The reviewers in general made positive comments about the work and found the findings interesting. They also made many critical remarks that require substantial and essential revision, data analysis and experimentation.
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1) The reviewers made many critical point about receptive field quantification, and the interpretation of anticipatory firing related to this.
(i) The anticipatory responses in the manuscript are assumed to be due to the smooth motion of the stimulus rather than an extra-classical RF effect. This is discussed by the authors, but not truly demonstrated in the manuscript. It is possible that the authors might have observed responses to bars placed outside the RF that are flashed rather than moving? The sparse-noise mapping that they used to delineate the RF might help to distinguish these possibilities as the authors could look at the responses to noise-flashes that fell on the trajectory of the bar (but outside the RF) to determine if these drove the cell.
(ii) The quantification of RF-sizes is not well explained.
- The reader would appreciate a plot of the (classical) RF boundaries and the starting positions of the 3 bar sweeps in the example cells shown in Fig. 1B-D.
- Since the conclusions of the study rely heavily on estimation of RFs, it would be important to show some examples of RF mapping with flashed squares, and to plot the activation profile with flashed squares for the same neuron as a function of DVA in Figure 1. The RF mapping is described quite briefly in the Methods and it is not entirely clear what it amounts to in terms of neural activation.
- Can the authors indicate at which distance from the RF the short bar sweep typically started?
- What is the latency of the response if aligned on the start of the short bar sweep? If it is close to 40ms, this might indicate that the bar actually started in the RF of some of the neurons.
- The finding that some neurons do not have anticipatory responses does not provide a control (in contrast to what is stated in line 184) because these neurons might have had smaller RFs. However, the data in Figure S2D-E might address this point, and could be presented in the main paper.
- We would like to see a distribution of RF sizes for the single units, the pixels of the VSD measurements and the spectral components for the MEA recordings.
(iii) The spatial extent of thalamic inputs arriving from the M- and P-pathway going into V1 differs (Lund et al., 2003, Figure 7). In particular M-pathway inputs have a wider termination zone. It is not clear whether this may account for a discrepancy between RF sizes mapped with moving stimuli and flashing stimuli. Moreover, since the RFs were mapped initially with flashing squares, it is possible that eye movements exhibited less variability in that condition, and that this leads to effectively larger RF sizes with moving stimuli. The finding of anticipatory finding might thus be explained by these factors without requiring recurrent connections. It is important to discuss this possibility and to address it with analyses.
(iv) If the bar would proceed to move after going out of the RF, is there also a widening observed there? This would be congruent with generally larger RFs for the moving stimuli.
(v) How did the authors compute the "time to peak" (line 191)?
- Line 244: time 0 is when the RF crosses the RF center and the peak response happens before time zero as shown in Fig 2C. This is worrisome, because the peak response for a moving bar is actually expected after the bar reaches the RF center, given the delay between retina and cortex (see e.g. Fig. 3 in Supèr and Roelfsema, 2005 Prog. Brain Res. 147, 263-282). Do the authors correct for the delay between the retina and V1 to compute time zero? How? Please specify this.
- Reviewers were confused in the methods section by lines 875-877. Is this where a correction for the response latency is described? If yes, please clarify this text (also in the main text) because such adjustments may have an large impact on the main result.
- There is a similarly confusion section in lines 893-898. It is not clear what happens here.
- Same in lines 907-910. What is "probability of anticipation"?
- Same in lines 912-921 what is "skp timing - 50"? What is the aim?
(vi) Is it possible to also show the retinotopic maps obtained with VSD imaging?
(vii) Overall, the authors should quantify RF size with the same methods used for flashes and bars and compare these directly with the same quantification; in addition correct for eye movements and delays.
(2) The reviewers made several critical remarks w.r.t. the relationship of the findings to trajectory prediction.
A main concern is whether the build-up activity demonstrated here is related in anyway to predictions of smooth motion trajectories or whether it is a passive spread of activity in cortex. Points 2.i and 2.ii are related to this concern. The spread of horizontal activity has been demonstrated previously and would reduce the novelty of the findings demonstrated here.
The reviewers agree that there are three aspects here that require further experimentation:
(i) The authors link their findings to psychophysical studies suggesting that we can use smooth motion to predict the upcoming location of the stimulus and improve perception on the leading edge of the stimulus. However, throughout the manuscript the activity triggered by the stimulus entering the classical RF is largely identical. Furthermore, there is no behavioral manipulation in the manuscript or any manipulation of the predictability of the motion path. This makes it difficult to determine if the build-up activity they observe has any functional significance or whether it is simply a passive spread of activity around the moving stimulus.
(ii) The lack of build-up activity for stimuli activating the ipsilateral cortex is an interesting finding which supports the authors' claims that these results are due to the spread of activity in (unmyelinated) horizontal connections. But doesn't this result also severely limit the functionality of this effect? If the prediction is unable to 'jump' across the vertical meridian, then this suggests it is more of a passive spread of activity around the stimulus rather than an active process providing cortex with a prediction of an upcoming moving stimulus.
- Is there psychophysical evidence that the effects of motion prediction on behavior (mentioned in e.g. lines 94-100) has a discontinuity at the vertical meridian?
(iii) The implication of these findings is that V1 neurons start responding to a moving stimulus before the stimulus reaches their receptive field. However, objects do not always move smoothly, and sudden changes in trajectories occur. Would V1 neurons, in this case, signal the "wrong" trajectory?
(3) The quantification of anticipatory firing needs to be substantially improved.
(i) Line 259: how was the "first significant change" estimated? Please specify here or refer to the relevant Methods section. In general, the data analysis section of the Methods is presented as a long list of metrics and statistical analyses without clear reference to which part of the results and figures each refers to. Vice versa there is no reference to any specific Methods section in the description of the Results or figure legends. This makes the manuscript somewhat difficult to read.
(ii) The representation of the data in Figure 1 is somewhat problematic, because the population average is shown only for neurons with anticipatory responses (n=26). In Figure Supplement 2, the number of cells is 22 (why the difference?). Are these now only the anticipatory neurons? Why did the authors not show the average population responses across all neurons before splitting into anticipatory and non-anticipatory neurons? It would be good to see the average PSTH.
(iii) Fig S2: The curves look less asymmetric there, and seems to show a general widening for the long bar condition.
(iv) Normalization is a concern for the group average plots, because an average PSTH can be biased by a few cells with high firing rates.
(v) line 386: there are no statistics for the anticipatory response here.
(4) The relationship of direction tuning to anticipatory activity requires further data analysis.
(i) It is unclear why the authors chose not to optimize the stimulus trajectory to the direction preference of the cells under study, at least in the single cell recording experiments.
(ii) The authors describe the relationship with direction tuning on line 276. They find that the anticipatory response is considerably stronger in cells where the direction of motion of the bar is aligned with the preferred direction of the cell. This interesting effect isn't quantified statistically and seems under-explored in the manuscript as a whole. It seems to be an extremely strong effect, to the extent that the reviewers wonder if the build-up effect is significant for cells with a non-aligned direction tuning? The effect is also not included in any of the later models and would not be predicted by their proposed model. The reviewers wondered whether the authors could also use the bar sweeps that they use for RF mapping, which move in 12 different directions, to further explore the relationship between direction-tuning and anticipatory responses?
(iii) Lines 274-281. Did neurons with preferred direction aligned to the stimulus trajectory also show shorter latencies of anticipatory responses? The authors speculate this could be the case in the following sentence, and present this as a result in the discussion section, but they never really showed any analysis addressing this.
(5) Motion speed:
The manuscript does not manipulate motion speed which limits the interpretation of the findings. One simple way to test the proposed model would be to vary the speed of the bar. At high speeds the feedforward drive would 'catch-up' with the horizontal and feedback spread and the anticipatory response should disappear. Do the authors have any data on this and would they agree with this prediction?
(6) Reviewers had concerns about smoothing in the data analysis.
Reviewers worried about the smoothing that took place in the analysis (e.g. line 856, 863) and the sliding window used for the computation of a power spectrum (line 928). Something similar may happen with detrending VSD signal in line 942. First smoothing the data in time can cause "responses" at earlier time points, but would be artifactual. Do the results also hold up if the data is not smoothed?
(7) Laminar differences:
Lines 260-266. The observed variability could depend on laminar differences. Do the authors have any record of laminar location of the recordings? More importantly, the variability could also reflect differences in the direction preference of the neurons. The authors should check this. It is possible that neurons with the direction preference matching the stimulus trajectory are facilitated while those with direction preferences unlike the stimulus trajectory are suppressed, or vice versa. This further analysis would provide additional insights into the underlying mechanisms.
(8) Analyses of frequency bands:
(i) Did the authors measure the RFs of the different frequency bands of the LFP? Low-frequency bands tend to be sensitive to changes in visual information over very wide regions of the visual field. The spatial precision of this effect may be very low and is not shown by the authors (did the low-frequency power drop simultaneously across the whole array at bar onset for example). It is hard to imagine that a coarse effect, which may be more related to arousal or attention, is related to a prediction about the precise location of an upcoming stimulus.
(ii) Reviewers would like to see the average power spectrum in Fig. 5.
(iii) line 455 Even though previous studies suggested that feedback influences have a spectral signature, this does not mean that changes in the power spectrum can provide causal evidence for the involvement of feedback connections. It can well be that subcortical inputs also decrease/increase power in particular frequency bands.
(iv) What is shown in Fig. 5B? Is this the evoked potential or some spectral measure?
(v) The authors should clarify in the main text how they normalized the power and determined statistical significance.
(vi) Line 475. The decrease in the low frequency band is actually preceded by a slight increase, as evident in both Fig. 5C and D. In the discussion, the authors only emphasize the decrease in power (which indeed is stronger), but they do not provide any rationale for why one would see a decrease, rather than an increase, in power. One would have predicted that an increase in feedback excitation would result in an increase in low frequency band power (and this would be consistent with published results indicating an increase in alpha/beta power when feedback processing increases). On lines 628-630 of the Discussion, the authors attempt to provide some explanation for such decrease in power, but the sentence is rather obscure. The authors need to clarify and expand this idea. Also, should the earlier increase in low frequency power be ignored?
(9) Results on the ipsilateral hemifield stimulation.
Reviewers did not understand the rationale for, and the interpretation of, this result. Surely callosal connections exist within about 2 deg of the midline and they would activate V1 neurons in the contralateral hemifield which, in turn, send horizontal connections within the contralateral hemifield. Also, in contrast to what stated in the discussion, reviewers pointed out that callosal connections are topographically organized.
(10) Discussion lines 677-678. The authors need to expand on these two concepts by clarifying to the broad readership of the journal what "diffusion of motion information" means, and how their results could underlie this phenomenon as well as enhance motion discriminability. Same comment applies to the sentence on line 688.
(11) Critique of the model:
(i) The model has many parameters that do not appear well justified. Such a model can provide support for horizontal spread but the authors should acknowledge that other models without horizontal connections in V1 could give rise to similar predictions. E.g. horizontal spread could happen in a higher areas that feeds back to V1. Arbitrary parameters appear e.g. in line 971; where does the estimate of 0.41mm come from? The same question can be asked about the choice of the model in lines 973-1006 and its parameters. Model choices, such as the function in equation 1 and the equation in line 993 are not well explained and make an ad hoc impression.
- Note that the equation in line 993 is not connected to equation 1, because the reader expects k_h to reappear in the equation in line 993 but it does not. It is also unclear why "h" appears twice in the equation in line 993 (within and after the brackets). Is h=k_h?
- Is there an equation of how the feedback influences k_h or V1?
(ii) It is unclear whether the speed of propagation beyond 2deg from the RF, which the authors attribute to feedback, is in fact consistent with feedback conduction velocities. On line 415, the authors seem to imply 0.02m/s is consistent with feedback (but feedback is much faster than this).
line 407: the authors arrive at a horizontal propagation speed of 0.06 m/s but the calculations that gave rise to this estimate are lacking. How strongly does it depend on the model with its many arbitrary assumptions ? Can they also provide a 95% confidence interval for this estimate?
(iii) Line 331. The model incorporates isotropic horizontal and feedback connections, but in real cortex these are anisotropic, and therefore only contact neurons having similar orientation and direction along the anisotropic axis. Incorporating real-life functional connectivity may help the model account for some of the variability in surround effects observed in the data.
(iv) Lines 978-979. What parameters values were used for this, and on what basis were these selected? More in general, all the parameter values used in the model (e.g. dh= 6 mm) need to be justified and appropriate references cited.
(12) Details about data analysis:
In general there are many details in the data analysis that are difficult to understand. The authors may first wish to consult with another specialist (not involved in the study) about the clarity of their descriptions because the reviewers found them insufficiently clear. Some of these have been summarized in the other points listed above and below. There are further points here:
(i) Line 273. Why was a 2-sample t test used here, given it is said that 3 trajectories are statistically compared? This should be an ANOVA. The T-test is used throughout the manuscript. From the Methods, it appears this may be justified by the fact that the authors pooled medium and long trajectories into a single group. IF so, this should be clearly stated in the Results and/or a reference to the relevant Methods section should be added to the Results. Moreover, what was the rationale for grouping the 2 longer trajectories?
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This work addresses the key question how the herpesvirus HSV-1 reactivates from latency in neurons and shows that neuronal excitability plays a major role for controlling latency and reactivation. How hyperexcitability might influence the behavior of a latent, neurotrophic virus was previously unknown, and the authors show that neuronal hyperexcitability induces HSV reactivation in a DLK/JNK-dependent manner. In additon, the authors identify the cytokine IL-1b as a stimulus that triggers HSV reactivation in neurons, dependent on neuronal excitability, which is also a novel finding and of great interest for the field.
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The reviewers all agree that your work about the potential link between IL1b, neuronal hyperexcitability, and HSV-1 reactivation is very interesting. However, we think that the three experiments listed below would be needed to substantiate the conclusion regarding the link between these three elements.
1) To make sure that the results obtained with the inhibitors are not off-target effects, experiments with KO cells or siRNA knockdowns of DLK/JNK would strengthen the manuscript. Can you please specify in the manuscript the specific targets of the three inhibitors that were used - if they have discrete mechanisms of action, off-target effects may actually not be a problem. However, KO or knockdown experiments would validate the inhibitor results by an independent method and should be doable in these cultures.
2) To substantiate the very interesting finding with IL1b, an experiment with a neutralizing IL1b antibody should be performed to unequivocally show that IL1b induces reactivation (this would exclude that impurities in the cytokine batch such as LPS activate the cells).
3) To unequivocally show that IL1b induces reactivation through increasing neuronal hyperexcitability, calcium flux, which is induced by neuronal hyperexcitability, should be measured. A simple method to do this would be the use of Fura-2 AM or similar dyes. An advantage of this approach is that it could be measured what percentage of neurons are excited upon IL1b treatment and this could be correlated with the percentage of neurons that reactivate. This could also be performed in the presence of IL1b neutralizing antibodies to confirm that this cytokine induces neuronal hyperexcitability and HSV-1 reactivation.
These three additional experiments would make the report more robust and elegantly correlate hyperexcitability of neurons with HSV-1 reactivation.
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This is an interesting paper that addresses and important and timely subject, namely identification of novel non opioid approaches to pain management. The authors direct their attention the CB2 receptor. Using perhaps the best characterized, and quite selective CB2 ligand, the authors implicated CB2 receptors in both neuronal and non neuronal cells in the spontaneous pain that occurs in a partial nerve injury model in the mouse. The studies largely used either mice in which the CB2 receptor was deleted in all cells only in neurons, or selectively in monocyte derived cells.
There are many intriguing findings in the paper, however, one is left with the feeling that there are hints at mechanisms, but nothing definitive is established. And major questions, which I believe could have been addressed with more selective Cre-mediated deletion of the receptor, are never answered. Hints here and there, but nothing definitive.
Major questions
The authors focus on sensory neurons and the non neuronal cells that surround the neuronal cell bodies in the DRG. How might the neurons in the DRG, which they appear to presume must be mediating the input that drives spontaneous pain, not be relevant to acute pain processing? The previous report of Soethoudt et al., 2017, which defined the specificity of JWH133, found that this compound is without effect on acute pain even at doses up to 100mg/kg. I am not sure how to translate that dose to the iv administration in the present paper, but my assumption is that the 100mg/kg dose is at least equivalent. Granted JWH133 is not potent, but then how does it affect spontaneous pain?
The most straightforward test of the DRG neurons is to delete the CB2 receptor from neurons, using one of several selective Cre lines (e.g. NaV1.8-Cre). This is particularly important as the authors highlight the apparent translocation of the CB2 receptor from non neuronal cells around the DRG to neurons. But they only used peripherin to mark the neurons, so that any change in myelinated afferents would be missed. As neurons are the only structure that can get information into the spinal cord, do the authors propose that it is this small 4% of DRG neurons that is key?
Perhaps the most glaring piece missing as to mechanism is the fact, acknowledged by the authors, that JWH133 has a significant action at TRPA1, which is expressed by sensory neurons. Most importantly, the authors found that the CB2R null only had 50% reduced nose poke for JWH133. Clearly, JWH133 must exert its effect, at least in part, on another target. In their Abstract, the authors are very careful concerning this finding, writing that ""While constitutive deletion of CB2r disrupted JWH133-taking behavior....". In other words JWH133 disrupted, it did not prevent or eliminate the behavior. So clearly, there is something else mediating JWH133's effects. Studying JWH133 effects in the TRPA1 mutant, and ideally in the mouse in which TRPA1 is selectively deleted from sensory neurons, is critical to understanding this drug's actions. Results from that study would add greatly to the authors study.
Also, as TRPA1 is expressed in sensory neurons, are they now proposing that TRPA1 only contributes to spontaneous pain? That is certainly not the case. In fact, a previous study did report that JWH133 blocked pain behaviors provoked by AITC, a TRPA1 agonist. A simple experiment would be to test the effect of JWH133 against 0.5% formalin evoked nocifensive behaviors. As for AITC, 0.5% formalin evoked behaviors are lost in the TRPA1 ko.
Another simple experiments that would get at mechanism is to examine the effect of JWH133 on nerve injury provoked microglial activation in the dorsal horn. If a decreased activation were demonstrated, the case would be much stronger that the drug is acting on sensory neurons.
Concerns about the immunohistochemistry: First, the images presented are not all that convincing, and particularly difficult to read given that the percentage of double labeled neurons is small. It is also very odd that the authors had to use TSA amplification. Also there is no mention of controls for antibody specificity.
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This is a very interesting paper. While demonstration of CB2 receptor agonist self-administration in rodent models of chronic pain is not in itself novel, there is a sufficient body of additional novel and exciting work in this paper to set it apart from previously published work. In particular, the mechanistic dissection using tissue-specific KO mice, coupled with the demonstration of that CB2 receptor-expressing lymphocytes infiltrate peripheral neurons, and to a greater degree in nerve-injured versus sham mice. The anxiety-related results are also very interesting. The paper is well-written and the results, for the most part, are clear.
Major comments
1) While there are significant novel results and important conclusions that can be and have been drawn from the work, the mechanism underlying the increased self-administration of JWH133 in PSNL mice has still not been fully elucidated. The authors have shown it is CB¬2 receptor-dependent, but not due to CB2 receptors in neurons or monocyte-derived cells. Neither does it appear to be due to CB2 receptors on infiltrating lymphocytes. So the question still remains as to what mechanism or target is mediating the effect. I think the Discussion should address this limitation in more detail, and put forward some potential mechanisms.
2) Is it possible that there could be some involvement for CB1 receptors? JWH133 is relatively selective for CB2 over CB¬1, but to my knowledge it does still have some affinity for (and potential activity at) CB1. How can the authors rule out a potential involvement of CB1 in the self-administration of JWH133 after PSNL.
3) Given the anxiety-related aspect (and indeed the self-administration/pain aspect), why did the authors not look at whether lymphocytes expressing CB2 also infiltrate brain neurons? It would be very interesting to know if they infiltrate neurons in brain regions such as the amygdala, PFC, PAG and other regions known to be important in pain, anxiety and drug self-administration in pain models.
Statistics: The authors should determine whether they need to adjust for multiple comparisons when doing repeated Mann-Whitney U tests, e.g. perhaps do a Bonferroni-Holm correction to control for alpha when doing multiple MW U test comparisons. Alternatively, they could perform a Dunn's test instead of the MW U test.
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Both reviewers found many positive aspects to your manuscript. However, although Reviewer #1 believes that the concerns could be addressed without providing additional experimental data, Reviewer 2 has identified some significant concerns that do need additional information. The specific experiments that are indicated address the underlying mechanism, including the extent to which receptor expression on sensory neurons is involved and most importantly, the contribution of TRPA1. We appreciate that the present COVID-19 pandemic will make it impossible to complete the requested studies within the normal two-month period, which will involve new mouse crosses, so we are willing to accept a revised manuscript when you are able to return to the laboratory and complete the studies.
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In this paper, the authors consider the problem of evolutionary transitions to multicellularity, and in particular the case in which aggregation drives the process. Inspired by the life cycle of Dictyostelium, they consider a model in which cells (moving on a grid) search for resources and can adhere to each other based on the match between ligand and receptors on their surfaces. All of this takes place in the context of a chemotactic march towards a local chemoattractant within one temporal "season", after which fitness-dependent reproduction occurs, the population is culled back to its starting size, and the environmental conditions are changed.
The reviewers all are of the opinion that this work provides an interesting perspective on a possible mechanistic basis of 'collective-level' function, that stems from physical interactions among cells in the absence of explicitly modelled costs and benefits of single cell's choices. At the same time, the reviewers were clear that there are many aspects of the model and the modelling approach that are not clear, unnecessarily complicated or not well justified. In light of these, major revisions to the paper will be necessary, as explained below.
Essential Revisions
1) Considering the paper as a whole, there are far too many things happening at once to draw any meaningful conclusions. There is the complexity of adhesion, the nature of the chemotaxis, the temporal switching between seasons, and the reproduction process. Each of these is explored to a limited extent, and it is unclear which are absolutely crucial to the conclusions reached and how sensitive the conclusions are to the assumptions made.
2) Regarding the definition of the model itself, the reviewers find it inappropriate to relegate so much of that explanation to the Methods section. The very large number of parameters (18) in Table 1 needs to be made clear (and that table should be referenced - it does not appear to be at present). Please explain more of the model in the body of the paper.
3) The reviewers are supportive of abstract models, but inasmuch as the authors have set up a physical/biological scenario with familiar processes (chemotaxis, adhesion) it would have been very helpful to have justified the kinds of dimensionless parameters that characterize the model in terms of real physical and biological features.
4) The essence of a Monte Carlo simulation is the definition of an energy function and a temperature, which together yield a Boltzmann factor that is used to decide if an attempted step is taken. The authors do not make clear in the main body of the text that they are performing a Monte Carlo calculation (that is only specified in Section 4, after the Discussion). They refer to MCS (Monte Carlo Steps) in the body of the paper without defining that term. But the larger question is why this kind of nonequilibrium biological system should have such an energy, and what would be the biological significance of the temperature? In addition, of course, the "steps" taken are those of Monte Carlo algorithm and have no direct interpretation in terms of real time.
5) The presentation of the model and the main results lack clarity in some key aspects: a. the relation between cell-cell and cell-medium adhesion and surface tension (line 136) is not explained, so it is not really clear what negative surface tension means. b. as surface tension pools two different kinds of adhesion, does it mean that in a certain sense adhesion to the surface can be traded off against adhesion between cells? This is important to know in connection to experiments. c. since the measure of sequence complementarity is symmetric, why does one need to suppose the existence of both a ligand and a receptor? Would it change anything if cells were characterized by only one sequence? If yes, it would be interesting to know if at the end of the numerical experiment ligand and receptor evolve to be the same or if 'molecular' diversity is maintained. d. the process of cell division/regrowth and the fact that cells do not change position from one season to the next should be more clearly explained in the main text. e. what is the initial spatial distribution of cells at the beginning of every season, and if this matters (many models assume aggregation-dispersal cycles, that does not seem to be the case here), should be specified or repeated in the evolutionary section. f. Figure 5 should depict a case of bistability: now it is not clear that different evolutionary outcomes are associated to differences in the initial surface tension, rather than in the initial cell configuration. It would by the way be interesting to see if the second also gives rise to bistability.
6) Cell migration (lines 394-404) is defined in terms of the actual direction of the cell over the past steps. This seems to build in persistence, and would appear to have a profound effect on the dynamics. Is this the case?
7) In general, it would be useful if statements like "In our case, aggregation leads to a highly efficient search strategy, guided by long-range, albeit noisy, gradients." (lines 272-273) could be made more quantitative. For instance, one would like to get a sense of whether the conclusions are robust to changes in (at least a few important) parameters. One would expect so from results in active matter physics, but it would be useful of the authors could argument it and indicate when they expect different conclusions to hold. Moreover, what is the role of the particular gradient chosen here in 'focalizing' the formation of multicellular groups (would an essentially 1-D gradient, where isolines are parallel, do the job?) and of its intensity/spatial variation (in the movie, one sees that the center of the gradient changes among four positions, does it matter?).
8) The authors claim that, in contrast to previous work, the increased fitness of the aggregates (better ability to perform chemotaxis) is an emergent property. The reviewers struggled to find a physical/mathematical explanation as to why such a relationship exists in the model but it appears that lines 424-427 contain the mechanism. The text speaks of the "center of mass of the perceived gradient". Unless we are mistaken, such a quantity averages over the individual constituent's contributions in such a way that larger cells will have more accurate measurements of the gradient. This is just the law of large numbers. If this is the case, then this feature is not an emergent property at all, but is part of the definition of the model. Please clarify. If the above critique is correct, then why bother with the complex model? The authors could just use the fact that larger aggregates are better at chemotaxis for the reason given and proceed from there.
The above suggests that the authors have basically put the answer in from the beginning. The model has the explicit feature that those that peform chemotaxis better reproduce more. So of course that will be reinforced. But multicellularity has costs and benefits, and the model does not appear to contain any costs associated with multicellularity. In real biological examples there are many - the increased metabolic cost of the structures that hold cells together, greater need for regulatory genetic networks, etc.
9) The referencing of the text to Figure 3 is all mixed up, leaving both text and figure hard to follow. -The authors should revise this section and make sure that they clearly state if higher chemotactic performance arises due to longer persistence of cell clusters only or due to longer persistence and higher chemotactic accuracy of whole cell cluster. Varennes et al PRL (2017) 119:188101 and manuscripts citing this work give measures for chemotactic accuracy within cell populations. - Fig 3d should show error bars. Annotation of Fig 3 f should be detailed, what is bar{X}? Is this the local gradient including noise or averaged on which scale.
10) The assessment time scale emerges as a decisive factor - it appears as a theoretical construct right now. What could it correspond to in the real world? Please discuss.
11) As for the particular details of the model, it is left unsaid in the main text but stated in the Methods section that there is a preferred cell size A_T and a harmonic energy around that size. As the target size is (Table 1) some 50 pixels, we are confused, as it seems that each "cell" occupies one lattice size. This energy would then clearly bias the system to aggregate already. Please clarify. The use of the term "pixel" for a lattice site is confusing.
12) The literature overview appears limited - please revise and consider recent work for example but not limited to Varennes et al PRL (2017) 119:188101; Jacobeen et al (2018) Phys. Rev. E 97, 050401(R). The authors should also discuss Guttal & Couzin 'Social interactions, information use, and the evolution of collective migration' PNAS 2010. And they should acknowledge relevant literature exploring, for example, similar issues in the Volvocales; "Multicellularity and the Functional Interdependence of Motility and Molecular Transport", C.A. Solari, S. Ganguly, J.O. Kessler, R.E. Michod, and R.E. Goldstein, PNAS 103, 1353-1358 (2006); "A General Allometric and Life-History Model for Cellular Differentiation in the Transition to Multicellularity", C.A. Solari, J.O. Kessler and R.E. Goldstein American Naturalist 181, 369-380 (2013).
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Summary
This study uses ontogenetic probes to activate the Raf and Akt pathways. This approach represents a powerful system to dissect signaling outcomes of these pivotal enzymes. Light-controlled activation of these two relevant signals is used to assess their ability to mediate axonal pathfinding, branching, and regeneration. The optogenetic tools allow for an examination of the sufficiency of either Akt or ERK pathway activation in these processes, in both PNS and CNS neurons. The result that both pathways play significant yet distinct roles in these processes is important and is of wide interest.
Several major and minor reservations were brought up by the reviewers. The major issues are to define more fully the upstream events that activate Raf-1 and Akt and the need for additional controls for the optogenetic probes. The kinetics of activation, as well as cell localization, requires attention. Another request is to examine if there is convergence in the two pathways. The major concerns are described below.
Essential Revisions
1) This study assumes that the tools trigger signaling pathways independently of upstream (neurotropic) signaling. However, whether these tools require some upstream signaling remain incompletely addressed. For example, activation of Raf1 requires upstream activation by kinases phosphorylating the N-terminal region (Y341 and S338). The phosphorylation of S338 is a commonly used read-out for Raf-1 activation (and mutants at this position show no activation). It would be very informative to examine the status of pS338 in optoRaf and to compare the optoRaf to a mutant S338A version, at least in Hek293 cells. Because these phosphorylations are linked to Raf dimerization, these studies would provide insight into whether Raf dimerization is required or possible in this context.
2) It would be also helpful to include more specificity controls for Raf vs. Akt signaling in Drosophila neurons to ensure the signals directly go to cells where the functional assessments are being conducted.
3) The kinetic experiments are interesting but somewhat incomplete, and it is unclear what the takeaway from these experiments should be. Importantly, it is not known how different pulsed light patterns translate temporally to signaling. It seems that from the data in figure 1, it is possible that in neurons patterns may maintain a constant activation of the pathway. Additional controls looking at the extent of signaling in neurons with these paradigms would be really helpful.
Minor Points
a) Recruiting optoAkt to the membrane does not make it independent of upstream PI3-K signaling, as PH-domain-containing kinases such as PDK1 are essential for Akt activation (by phosphorylating Akt on T308). Again, activation-specific phosphorylations on T308 could verify whether PI3K are involved in optoAkt function.
b) In one experiment, the authors tested the functional outcome of combining Raf and Akt activation, but it would be helpful if these were done in other experimental paradigms as well. Are these signaling pathways semi-redundant functionally or additive and able to further enhance the extent of regeneration? In this regard, what are the obstacles to utilizing optoRaf and optoAkt concurrently? Would synergism be expected?
c) The study suggests a lack of cross-talk between the two pathways. Given the ability of each pathway to achieve some regeneration on its own, the authors should discuss whether these pathways might eventually converge on common downstream effectors.
d) Given previous genetic studies, it is a bit surprising that Raf signaling plays a more pronounced effect than Akt in regeneration. It would be helpful in the authors could comment on this in the discussion, not just in the context of Erk/Akt but also the broader regeneration literature.
e) The Discussion points out the role of neurotrophic factor signaling, which is upstream of Raf and Akt. It should be acknowledged there is an absence of NGF family members and their receptors in Drosophila. This does not negate the results in the manuscript, but the significance of the findings should be clarified.
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In this study the authors have examined the role of TAZ in regulating hepatic gluconeogenesis. The authors show by genetically manipulating the hepatic levels of TAZ that TAZ acts as a repressor of gluconeogenic gene expression and in parallel this regulates hepatic glucose output either in response to a pyruvate tolerance test or to a bolus of glucagon. They go on to show that these effects are mediated via an interaction between the WW domain in TAZ and the glucocorticoid receptor that impairs the ability of the GR to bind to promoter regions. Intriguingly these effects were not observed with YAP another member of the Hippo pathway. These findings extend the expanding role of TAZ in hepatic metabolism. This is an extremely thorough analysis of the role of TAZ in hepatic metabolism involving a series of in vivo and in vitro studies utilizing different approaches to perturb the expression of hepatic TAZ levels. Much of the biochemistry is convincing and the data are well presented. The referees were less enthusiastic about the physiological implications of the data.
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1) The effects of TAZ overexpression were much more impressive than its under-expression when looking at PTT. In fact if it weren't for the almost non-existent error bars for each BG measurement on the PTT I would almost doubt there is much of a significant effect of TAZ KO. How do the authors explain this? Is this because the mice were so fasted that hepatic TAZ levels are already so low that further reduction in its expression has little effect? This raises the issue of how physiological the level of overexpression of TAZ was. In Figure 3, if I am to interpret this correctly, the level of TAZ in total liver was 3-fold higher in overexpressing mice than controls whereas in the pericentral regions it was expressed at comparable levels to endogenous. Does this mean that there is much TAZ expression in other parts of the liver where TAZ would normally not be found? This needs to be addressed in the manuscript.
2) It would be important to measure TAZ protein concentrations in liver of diabetic mouse models i.e hyperglycemic (genetic or nutritional models of diabetes and/or insulin resistance). Does TAZ affect the binding of GR to gluconeogenic gene promoters under hyperglycemic/diabetic conditions?
3) Would the overexpression of TAZ prevent the hyperglycemia characteristic of db/db mice for example? It would help determine the potential role of TAZ in pathophysiology.
4) Why do the authors not consider - and discuss - the possibility of regulation of glycogenolysis by TAZ-GR? The reduction in liver mass with TAZ knockdown seems more consistent with promoting glycogenolysis (as glycogen will take up more space/account for more liver mass than gluconeogenic precursors) vs gluconeogenesis.
5) The interpretation of the ITT is questionable: the authors state that there was no difference in insulin sensitivity, but if we calculate the plasma glucose concentrations during the ITT based on the time zero plasma glucose concentrations in the PTT, we would expect plasma glucose in the ITT to drop to ~60 mg/dl in the floxed mice and ~70 mg/dl in the L-TAZ KO animals. Given this degree of hypoglycemia, not only insulin sensitivity, but also hypoglycemia counterregulation (which involves glucocorticoids!) would modulate plasma glucose. Please discuss.
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This paper presents a primary ovarian insufficiency (POI) case study, proband and affected family members with a unique genetic variant in HSF2BP. To examine the functional consequences of this variant, they generated a mouse mutant with the equivalent allele (S167L). Despite ostensibly normal numbers of follicles, Hsf2bp- S167L female mice showed reduced fertility in females. The authors also identify an interaction partner of HSF2BP named MIDAP and provide evidence that these two proteins function interdependently to facilitate BRCA2-mediated assembly of RAD51/DMC1 strand-exchange complexes.
Essential Revisions
Overall, while there are a lot of data in this paper, the quality of some experiments is questionable and lack rigorous quantification. The text is often inaccurate, sometimes not correct and requires major clarification and improvement.
Below are essential points and important point to revise, that include new data, formatting figures, text modification and reorganization.
1) One essential issue is to validate the conclusion that the case of human POI is caused by a variant of HSF2BP. Thus, the mouse mutant Hsf2bp167L requires additional analysis.
2) Another major problem is order and clarity of data presentation:
a) When presenting the phenotype of the Hsf2bp point mutant, the authors should clarify first the already published phenotype of the null mutant. They can add the data of their own null mutant as comparison.
b) Order of data: Males and female data are not presented in a consistent way for the analysis of Hsf2bp mutant (fig3, 4 and 5): Best would be to present male and female in parallel: Fig 3 (RPA), Fig 4 (DMC1, RAD51), Fig 5 (Mlh1). RAD51 data for female is required.
MIDAP localization in Hsf2bp mutants should be presented along with its colocalization with HSF2BP in wt.
Analysis of SPATA22 should be moved to main figures.
3) Removing poorly informative data: The in vitro assay fails to detect DNA binding activity of MIDAP or HSF2BP. This negative result obtained with non-purified proteins of undetermined concentration and molar ratio with the substrate do not allow to conclude on the DNA binding property of those proteins. Only part of the co-transfection analysis (Fig10) should be maintained.
4) The localization of HSF2BP/MIDAP at DSB repair foci is not shown in this study. This should be clarified either by referring to the previous study or by doing colocalization analysis (with RPA or DMC1 or RAD51).
5) Clarifying interpretations: Importantly the protein levels of HSF2BP and MIDAP is the mutants (Midap and Hsfp2bp) should be tested (in extracts from juvenile to avid confounding effect of cellular composition). Any coIP and western blot analysis from mouse testis to validate the interactions? And also the one with BRCA2? This would be expected given the Mass/spec data.
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Mutations in the five subunits of the eukaryotic initiation factor 2B (eIF2B1-5) complex cause a severe leukodystrophy called Vanishing White Matter (VWM) disease. In this study from the Bonkowsky lab, new mutants were either generated or imported and analyzed for CNS defects relevant to VWM. By studying growth, lethality, myelination, CNS cell development, and swimming behavior, the authors conclude that the new eif2b mutants phenocopy VWM patients. The authors also show that in mutants, a retained intron leads to expression of a truncated transcript, which they conclude acts in a dominant-negative fashion and suggest that this explains some pathology in human VWM patients.
Although modeling human disease in model organisms like zebrafish is important, there are several major issues with the study that dampen enthusiasm as outlined below.
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Significance of model
1) For most of five the mutations most of them are heterozygous. Here the authors showed that only 2 out of 4 subunit mutants (eif2b5, eif2b2) exhibited phenotypes . Is it possible that other mutant alleles have mild phenotypes, such as increased ISR? More characterization of phenotypes in the other mutants (eif2b1, eif2b4) and the heterozygous siblings is needed to address relevance of this as a model of VWM.
Motor defects
2) It is unconvincing that the movement measurements in eif2b5zc103 mutants represent motor behavior deficits. Please address possible non-specific developmental delays cause the observed phenotypes. Can the authors perform the behavioral experiments at later stages or provide stage matched (rather than age matched) characterizations the mutants?
3) In Fig. 6, for the truncated EIF2B5 mis-expression experiments, it is unclear from the text and methods how the experiments were performed. If the truncated protein acts as a dominant-negative in the e1f2b mutants, why would expression of the wild-type gene rescue the mutant phenotype? The dominant-negative product would still be present. Also, Figure 6D: Compare motor behavior in actin:eif2b vs eif2b5 expression and clarify and address alternative interpretations of the data (See reviewer 3 comments).
Characterization of oligodendrocytes and myelin
4) Olig2 also labels motor neurons in the spinal cord and neural precursors in the hindbrain. Based on this marker alone it cannot be concluded they are only quantifying oligodendrocyte lineage cells in Figure 3. Please address.
5) Fig 3P-S: the TUNEL staining overlaps with Olig2 in the hindbrain but not in the rest of the brain. Please investigate which other cell types are undergoing apoptosis the optic nerve and optic tectum where the myelination and axon defects are evident in the eif2b5 zc103/103 mutants/
6) Fig. 3F-I:the eif2b2 and eif2b5 mutants show a striking change in proliferation pattern at 5dpf, including a loss of proliferation in the eyes and cerebellum and increased proliferation in the ventricles. To investigate which cell types are undergoing altered proliferation co-staining for cell-type-specific markers (eg: microglia, astrocytes, neurons) Is needed. See reviewer 1 comments.
7) The electron micrographs in Figure 4 are low quality and cannot be analyzed for G-ratio based on what is shown. Please address.
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This study investigates whether peroxisomal import is regulated by phosphorylation. The authors initially identify peroxide-triggered phosphorylation on Pex14 using PhosTag gels, then identify the sites, and use mutations to probe their importance. The key discovery is that S232 on Pex14 is phosphorylated (among other sites) in response to H2O2, that a phosphomimetic mutation of this site impairs catalase import, and that the reduced import of catalase during H2O2 treatment is important to maintaining viability during the stress. In vitro interaction studies suggest that the phosphomimetic Pex14 mutant can bind Pex5L, but does not form a stable ternary complex with Pex5L and catalase. The other phosphorylation sites seem to have less of an effect, but may affect other PTS1 import substrates. The primary conceptual advance here is that peroxisome import machinery can be regulated by phosphorylation to affect import of some, but not other substrates. The referees agreed that the conceptual advance of identifying a new regulatory aspect of peroxisomal import is appropriate for publication in eLife, but that the data are currently insufficiently complete to fully support the manuscript's claims.
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1) The mechanism proposed by the authors for regulation of catalase import involves Pex14 phosphorylation. Yet it is Pex5 that recognizes catalase in the cytosol and is required for chaperoning catalase across the peroxisome membrane. Thus, to understand the mechanism of regulation, their crucial in vitro experiments examining substrate-Pex5-Pex14 interactions need to use the appropriate substrate-Pex5 complexes. Mammals have two Pex5's, a short Pex5 responsible for PTS1 import, and Pex5L, which binds to Pex7 and helps guide PTSII-containing proteins into the peroxisome. The authors do not provide any justification in the manuscript for why Pex5L was used in the in vitro binding experiments, and they do not provide any comparative experiments using the short Pex5. The authors must address this concern in order to justify the extrapolation of the in vitro experiments to the situation in cells.
2) The phospho-serine rich site identified by the authors is predicted to be a PEST sequence by bioinformatic searches using the sequence for rat Pex14. PEST sequences are typically found on short-lived proteins and act as a signal for turnover by the proteasome or calcium-dependent calpain proteases. In several instances, Fig 1B, Fig 2A, Fig 2D, etc. it appears that oxidative stress results in a reduction of Pex14, consistent with a hypothesis that this proline and serine rich site is functioning like a PEST sequence. In Fig 4F, phosphorylated Pex14 is detected in the cytosolic fraction, which the authors claim is non-specific. An alternative explanation is that Pex14 is being extracted from the peroxisome and turned over upon H2O2 treatment. The dynamics of Pex14 turnover and its contribution to peroxisome import dynamics is not explored by the authors, but has important implications for their hypothesis. The authors should carefully consider the possibility that phosphorylation regulates Pex14 turnover, which impacts import dynamics. If the authors have data on the turnover of Pex14 and its mutants under different conditions, this would be important to include. At the very least, this alternative explanation for regulation should be discussed in a revised manuscript.
3) The microscopy experiments present in Figures 3 and 4 are not very convincing and are incomplete. It is difficult to see catalase in the cytosol in the S-to-D mutants. The control images stained for SKL are not shown, confounding the analysis. Further, the localization of the Pex14 mutants, while appearing punctate in the images, was not confirmed by colocalization with another PMP. Finally, equal expression of the different mutants relative to wild type was not verified (e.g., by SDS-PAGE analysis of parallel transfections). To make the experiment more complete, control SKL images need to be presented, the subcellular localization of the Pex14 mutants verified by colocalization with another PMP, and equal expression of the mutants verified by either quantification of the microscopy or SDS-PAGE.
4) Loading controls for the experiment in Figure 4D are needed to make this fully interpretable. Quantification of EGFP-PTS1 and HA-catalase in Figure 5C would be helpful to a reader.
5) Figure 4F is not convincing because the differences claimed are not very easy to appreciate and the degree of reproducibility of the small effects is not clear. To be convincing, this experiment needs to be quantified from multiple replicates and should be accompanied by Total samples to show the levels of the proteins in each sample before fractionation.
6) The anti-His blot in Fig. 2D is of poor quality and cannot be interpreted with confidence. The Pex14 blot is clear, but is complicated by co-expression and partial co-migration of endogenous and exogenous Pex14 species. This experiment would be improved by either improving the quality of the anti-His blot, or perhaps if the authors preformed a His-pulldown followed by blotting to selectively visualize the exogenous proteins. The other option is to perform the experiment in cells lacking endogenous Pex14. Regardless of the approach taken, the authors should improve the quality of this important figure.
7) The claimed role of Pex13 is not clear from the results in Figure 5A. This experiment can be improved if the authors perform IP with phospho-specific antibody to substantiate the claim that Phosphorylation of Pex14 alters it complex formation with Pex13. Alternatively an IP via Pex13 could also be performed and show that the pS232 is coming down with Pex13.
8) The conclusion that phosphorylation is ERK mediated has been shown with a single inhibitor and should be extended to show this more directly by checking Pex14 in ERK KO or siRNA cells.
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The authors explored the processes involved in the fate of LY6Chi monocytes and the factors influencing this process under TLR7-induced inflammation. They show that the Ly6Chi monocyte conversion to Ly6Clo monocytes is dependent on cell intrinsic Notch2 and Myd88 pathway as selective invalidation of Notch2 bias the differentiation of monocytes in steady state and more extensively in inflammatory condition toward circulating macrophages. This is an interesting paper and the presented experiments are of good quality. This study uses a variety of conditional genetic deletions, cell transfers and cell culture techniques to track these cells in vivo and in vitro.
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While the editors and reviewers all agreed on the interest of the study, several points need to be addressed to strengthen the study.
The transcriptome analysis presented in Fig. 4 is important, but missing Ly6Clow monocytes from wt and myeloid Notch deficient cells under steady state conditions. It would be important to compare the profiles of untreated and IMQ-treated Notch2-deficient cells to dissect the treatment effects from the steady state condition caused by Notch2 deletion.
The authors should provide deletion efficiency in both monocyte subsets, for instance by qRT-PCR for the deleted exon. There is experimental proofs that the Cre lox system is not fully efficient in classical monocytes, usually associated to their short life span and likely partial in the ncMo (as confirmed in Gamrekelashvili et al Nat com 2016) and others. This could explain why the PCA analysis detects minimal difference in the Ly6Chigh subset as well as no impact on numbers in Notch2-mutant mice. Hence it is dificult to support the main conclusion that Notch2-mediated decision occurs at the Ly6Chigh level as it is still mostly present. Notch2 could rather regulate the survival of Ly6Clow Mo. This point is slightly discussed on p13. The efficiency of Notch recombination in Mo subsets after the different treatments must be presented (even if previously published at steady state) to better apprehend this limit.
Lineage tracing is always challenging, and it is difficult to assess whether notch signaling is requested in the differentiation toward a specific lineage or is requested for cell survival. Notch regulated monocyte survival is a well taken point, since also Bcl2 is strongly decreased in notch2-/- monocytes. Therefore providing absolute numbers for the in vivo and in vitro experiments (cell numbers instead of %) is absolutely required. In fact, most of the study is based on % (often unclear among which population) which could lead to misinterpretation. The authors should provide absolute numbers per organs along with per mg, whenever possible. For example "By comparison, the TLR4 ligand LPS also increased Ly6Clo cell numbers and expression levels of Nr4a1and Pou2f2. However, the absolute conversion rate was lower under LPS and there was no synergy with DLL1 (Figure 1D and E)". The numbers are not evaluated here neither the conversion rate as long as survival difference cannot be excluded.
The 'unrestrained inflammation' part either should be experimentally proven our should be completely rephrased (or deleted). The authors state in the abstract that "the absence of functional Notch2 signaling promotes resident tissue macrophage gene expression (...) resulting in unrestrained systemic inflammation" that could be interpreted as an overstatement. The inflammatory response shows perturbation in Notch-deficient mice, but not a clear pro-inflammatory shift (see also point below). Accordingly, it is not clear, if the splenomegaly or the "unrestrained systemic inflammation" is directly caused by monocytes. LysM-Cre is also active in neutrophils, which similarly express high levels of Notch2 according to immgen and can contribute to the observed phenotype. If the authors want to keep the link of 'Notch2-deficient monocytes cause unrestrained systemic inflammation' then the authors should perform monocyte (anti-CCR2 treatment) and neutrophil (anti-Ly6G treatment) depletion experiments in IMQ-treated wt and Notch-deficient mice. If the observed splenomegaly in Notch2-deficient mice is reduced to wt levels when treated with CCR2 (but not after Ly6G treatment), it is likely that monocytes are the direct cause.
T0 purity and flow analysis (F4/80, Ly6C,CD43, CD11c CD11b and GFP) of the sorted monocyte from all mouse strains should be provided. Working with bone marrow monocytes can be precarious, as the bone marrow may be contaminated with progenitors (and should be mentioned in the text).
In Fig. 3 the authors perform t-SNE analysis based on the Ly6C, CD43, MHCII, F4/80 and CD11c marker set and according to this identified 5 monocyte 'subsets' (Fig. 2c). Please also show the corresponding flow cytometry analysis (dot plots) (especially for PB) to identify these 5 subsets by regular gating and to see intensity of especially F4/80 and MHCII staining in Ly6Chigh and Ly6Clow monocytes in all conditions. In addition, in the gating strategy Fig. S1c the authors used F4/80 to discriminate CD115+ MF from monocytes. Rose et al., 2011 in Cytometry A showed that splenic monocytes also express F4/80 and that this antigen can be used to identify monocytes. Therefore it is possible that MF cells in the authors' gating strategy are contaminated by (probably aged) Ly6C low monocytes that up-regulated F4/80. To counter argue this please show their gated MF in a FACS plot with Ly6C vs CD43.
Consistent with the working hypothesis: Notch deficient LY6Clo monocyte phenotype drastically changes following IMQ Figure 3. Why were Ly6Clo wt and N2 deficient monocytes not examined without IMQ Figure 4? It is important to know how these cells alter from baseline and help distinguish if the effects are IMQ alone, Notch alone or IMQ and Notch.
The conclusion from these studies is in the presence of IMQ and absence of Notch2 LY6Chi cells become more of a "macrophage" compared to the natural progression towards LY6Clo monocytes Figure 5a/b. In Figure 5b, c and F what is the phenotype without IMQ. At present, without the controls, it is hard to comment on these experiments.
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The decision letter after peer review, sent to the authors on August 26 2020, follows.
Summary
This study investigates the relationship between maternal cortisol levels (measured from hair) and infant amygdala microstructure in a cohort of 78 mother-infant dyads. The neonates were a mix of those born at term (n=42) and those born prematurely (n=36) but all were scanned at term equivalent age. The authors demonstrate sex-stratified relationships, with a strong relationship between cortisol and amygdala microstructure in males and a relationship between amygdala and other temporal/subcortical regions in females.
The reviewers agreed that the manuscript is both interesting and timely. The imaging methods are well performed. However, we shared a series of concerns that should be addressed before we can consider publication.
Essential Revisions
Sample:
-- The incidence of preterm birth is ~10%, while in this cohort the incidence is much higher. Were the women recruited from a high-risk pregnancy clinic (which may be a high stress population) or do the gestational ages largely reflect twins included in the sample?
-- All infants were imaged at term for this protocol. However, NICU-related procedures occurring between birth and scan (primarily days of mechanical ventilation and infection) are associated with alterations subcortical development in preterms. Was the preterm cohort a critically-ill cohort? Were these clinical variables available?
-- Maternal education is an important predictor of brain development and outcome. Had the authors considered to adjust for this variable in their analyses, particularly for the volumetric analyses?
Stress and cortisol:
-- The last line of the abstract implicates that the amygdala cortisol relationship gives an insight into the relationship between maternal stress and child outcome. Cortisol levels are shown here to covary with microstructure but do they reflect actual maternal stress in pregnancy in this sample? Are there any maternal stress (anxiety or depression) questionnaires that could be reported to address this?
Sex Divergence:
-- It's not just one sex that is affected but rather sex-specific effects dependent on the outcome examined (amygdala microstructure in male babies and microstructure of connecting white matter from the amygdala in female babies). The abstract doesn't describe this divergence, focusing on results only with respect to female neonates but actually the interaction effects both sexes in different ways / regions. It would also be very helpful to have plots to illustrates the relationships (residualised for covariates).
Interpretation of measures:
-- The major conclusions concerning HCC, the interaction with infant biological sex and the diffusion measures revealing evidence for alterations in "dendritic structure, axonal configuration, and the packing density of neurites..." aren't entirely supported by the findings based on the results from volumetric analyses. The alterations in ODI seen with HCC should be paralleled by changes in the volume data.
Given that brain volume differences are also believed to underlie alterations in dendritic structure, the authors' conclusions wouldn't entirely be supported. Modifying the central claims would be recommended but more data aren't required to support the findings.
-- The lack of a significant association between macrostructural changes in the amygdala and HCC was surprising. This is in consideration of previous work in the area in the GUSTO cohort, which focused primarily on amygdalar volumes. The discussion of the results related to the volume data should be expanded upon.
-- How inter-related were the measures - e.g. is there a negative association between amygdala microstructure and amygdala connections that could explain the split in sex associations and directionality.
Discussion:
-- What potential biological mechanism do the authors propose underlies these sex specific results. There are only really two vague sentences on this but the complex results need more.
-- The authors present an extremely comprehensive overview of the connectivity of the amygdala. Given the authors' conclusions regarding future social cognition assessments, it's surprising to see that the subcortical gaze pathway was not examined (amygdala, thalamus, superior colliculus) as this pathway rapidly processing eye/face processing. Examining connectivity with midbrain structures might be infeasible in the neonatal brain; however, including a discussion of this pathway would be useful for future research in the area.
-- For the HCC relationships with microstructure, maternal HCC values for the preterm infants reflects exposure during (coarsely) a different trimester to the term-born infants. The subgroup analyses (term/preterm) indicate that the results are largely independent of this so does this implicate that the influences on amygdala development are from early gestation?
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