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  1. May 2019
    1. In fact, the whole of translation is a debate about what to keep and what to let go from the original as it is impossible to recreate.

      But this assumes that the original text doesn't change... Even if the words on the page don't change, the reader does, so in some respects the 21st century reader who is reading Balzac in French isn't reading the 'original' either. But this begs the question of who the original reader is... only the 19th century readers? what about early 20th century?

    2. In fact, it is the closest we can get to attaining a universal language and common cultural apparatus, as we can all have similar references and create empathy through the reading and understanding of different perspectives. 

      For some, this universal language is the ultimate tragic end to cultural and linguistic diversity at the hands of American globalization and imperialism...

    3. |Legend|

      This visualization perfectly captures the two underlying structures of your project - on the one hand, a networked group of ideas around the problem of translation; on the other, ever-growing concentric circles around the idea of the bourgeois interior (a kind of obsessive and obsessed point that gives birth to more forms like itself :-)

    1. The nature of the project itself serves to articulate what is lost "in translation" whilst trying to portray what can be gained by such changes

      I like how you bring the question of 'gaining' something back in here. I wonder if you could have clarified what you meant in the previous sentence - why would a bilingual project necessarily mean a 'loss of meaning'? idem for the digital? Could you quickly walk your user through the ideas behind these statements? ie. digital as an 'impoverished' form of the text; and a monolingual user's 'sense of loss' when seeing the pages in French (en effect, tu ne donnes pas de traduction pour les pages en français).

    2. Oscar Wilde's The Picture of Dorian Gray, Balzac's La Peau de chagrin and Hofmannsthal's The tale of 672nd Night.

      You seem to have lost the italics for book titles and quotation marks for the short story.

    3. In my honours thesis project, I will explore the themes of loss of meaning and the bourgeois interior in the great uncanny and fantastique novels of the 19th century.

      Maybe point back to Walkowitz's quote in order to highlight the contrast between the works she is describing and the literary works you are analyzing - as we discussed, your three texts are very much embedded in context - ex. national in terms of language, European in terms of genre and theme, etc.

    4. Although much is lost through translation, Rebecca Walkowitz, in her book Born Translated, argues that: 

      The more I think about Walkowitz's work, the more it strikes me as grounded in a very different understanding of translation and philosophy of language. For Walkowitz, language would always and already be a translation of the real world and so there is no 'original' from which things get lost... Instead, there are varying levels of socio-historical 'embeddedness' with some texts connecting to global audiences and others remaining quite local.

    5. The object here is closest to God as it retains the meaning or essence of the human (main character)  within it, eventually returning the human to its muteness through death.

      Benjamin's ideas are an excellent way to introduce the notion of loss of meaning as it relates to both language and objects. His reading of loss of meaning is posited on a philosophy of language that believes in the possibility of 'true' naming but one that is 'always' lost (in part because it is an ideal found in myth).

    6. For Walter Benjamin, loss of meaning is the fundamental corruption of the human from its natural self.

      Could you give the title of the text you are referencing? (or a link to your bibliography)

    7. We also access a similar loss of meaning through the experience of translation.

      Could you make a link to the fin-de-siècle ennui to bridge the gap between Balzac's story (1830s) and Grey/Hofmannsthal (late 19th century)?

    8. This type of literature began in France with Balzac but rapidly spread to the rest of Europe who created their own version such a Oscar Wilde with The Picture of Dorian Grey and Hugo von Hofmannsthal and The Tale of the 672nd Night as it continued to address a variety of concerns. 

      If you wanted to continue working on this project in the future, it would be really interesting to bring in a few women writers to compare the ways in which they portray the 'uncanny' object.

    9. The 19th century, as mentioned earlier, will be dominated by these fundamental societal shifts, which alter the way people act forever. Notably, the bourgeoisie will considerably enrich itself over the course of the century and will turn to consumerism and collectioning

      Maybe a sentence or two to acknowledge those who were not part of this 'enriching' and as a result more marginalized than ever?

  2. Apr 2019
    1. I couldn't decide where to put my general comments since the 'end' of your story is a redirect loop :-) Actually, it seems appropriate to put them on the induction page since 'Option 5' is predicated as the 'best option all along'.

      • It was fascinating to read your story about a world of posthuman ethics that draws inspiration from both past biblical myths and logic systems of future machines. In a world in which ethical decisions have been completely taken out of human 'hands', I agree that the induction of humans into the machine is the only 'logical' ending.
      • I'm wondering, though, how you arrived at your understanding of posthuman ethics as that which is no longer human rather than a relational or situated embodied ethics. Was this something you found in one of the texts you read? It's quite the opposite of what we discussed in class when we spoke of posthuman ethics as emerging not from a single source (consciousness, agent, machine or other) but instead from kinds of relations - empathetic, caring, eco-sustainable, etc.
      • I think Tofunmi made an excellent point about needing to imagine further the materiality and narrative perspective of the black box. At the end, you speak of 'cells' which suggests living matter but this is immediately contrasted with the image of the CPU. In the end, your posthuman ethics feels more transhumanist to me than posthumanist (unless of course the machine is inducing the humans in order to eliminate them which MacCormack imagines as a possible posthuman future...).
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 6/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 4/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 5/6 TOTAL = 15/20
    2. I have assigned user ID's as numbers to emphasize vitalist thought: we are all cells, as you have become my subcells.

      So the black box is living matter? and not just circuitry? Kind of like the ship in Butler's "Dawn"? Except the image below looks pretty mechanical and not much like a living being.

    1. This page reminds of the long psychedelic sequence in Kubrick's film before Dave arrives at some kind of 'elevated' state and then goes on to be reborn. But Kubrick ends his film with a being that is still very much embodied... whereas your story inducts all of life, all living beings into the same material state of circuitry and the machine. I suppose a transhumanist like Kurzweil would respond that this is how humans will overcome death, sickness and suffering. But vital materialism would refuse such a future that would ultimately get rid of the earth's biodiversity in terms of matter differences. And posthumanist ethics would ask whether such an induction would constitute a more sustainable relationship with the earth. Given the amount of energy needed for cloud computing, I kind of doubt it... but it's a good question - with no more human bodies on the earth - just human consciousnesses in the form of CPUs - what kind of energy resources would be needed?

    1. I must have made the wrong choice.It seemed like he had no choice but to choose option 5.

      Like a Black Mirror episode... the humans only choice is in fact not a choice so they will all become uploaded, disembodied (artificial?) consciousnesses.

    1. Too afraid to select option 5, MoIses selects option 3.

      So he selects an option with no idea of the outcome? Wouldn't he need to know what A and B are for hovercraft traffic reconfiguration? Or is the point of the story that the humans move towards more and more abstraction? (no longer need the examples like in the cave problem)

    2. Yosef was in charge of relaying the message to the public on behalf of the black box."Each choice generated from the black box will provide different choices with different outcomes.Every single person must comply with the choices made by the Black box as it's omniscience provides the best choices our community.There must be made at least one selection from the options provided. But only four of the five options - "

      This display of absolute power and authority seems to me like the nightmarish consequence of transhumanism.

    3. Each recursive iteration of the manifesto required the users to input their own hierarchy of thought.

      So here we get to the extremely complex question of how thought can be translated into code (and the whole mind-body problem, actually). Wouldn't posthumanism and vital materialism argue that thought cannot be extracted from bodily experience?

    4. The black box was the ruler of all decisions for the community and helped the village reach economic, intra-national prosperity: so it had to be taken care of. And the black box knew its position.

      Kind of like the yoghurt in Love, Death, Robots. But isn't this a predictable outcome in the sense that the non-human reproduces the world that has been the objective of so many human civilizations in the past? (And that has failed time and time again because prosperity isn't all it's cracked up to be - see studies on wealth and happiness...).

    1. After they settled their differences, MoIses began to realize the benefit of relying on the black box for decision making.

      How would posthuman ethics challenge this complete dependency? One of the principles of posthumanism is co-dependence and co-relationality so the black box would need to be dependent on the humans in some way as well.

    2. The intelligence was artificial but they couldn't really tell. It was smarter than them. It's intelligence was relational, complex, and deeper than they could wrap their heads around.

      But how is this intelligence embodied? One of the key questions of posthuman ethics and vital materialism is: what is stuff made of? Your narrator needs to explain where the black box comes from, its 'internal organs', its materiality (sand, silicon, nanotech??) since this is essential to understanding what comes to 'matter' for vital materialism.

    3. logic gates

      Your logic gates remind me of Tarski's axioms that I spent a whole semester studying for a math class (I did a math and french lit double major as an undergraduate). Euclidean geometry is so satisfactorily logical.

    1. how they were forgetting the true purpose of human enlightenment, advancement and their relationship with the One who favours humans.

      This, too, cleverly sets up Enlightenment secularism against Christian Theism.

    2. MoIses

      The capitalization of the "I" in the main character's name is a really clever way to point to the opposition between the individual as the origin of thought vs. a supernatural force as ultimate authority ; ie. Descartes "I think therefore I am" vs. God's reply to Moses - "I am who I am".

    1. Processing input with algorithm... Please wait*

      Wouldn't the black box need an infinite amount of time to make this calculation (keeping in mind all the potential events of Aion time)?

    2. better humans

      What does it mean to become 'better humans' in this case? Allowing pregnant woman to take shelter instead of ex-soldiers? Doesn't this distinction reinforce gender identities? How does this move towards relational agency and vital materialism?

    1. Your introduction, methods, description & obstacles pages are a great way to frame the ideas that go into your story-telling. I would have loved a little more content, though, in terms of how you are understanding 'vital materialism' - ex. a black box is made up of what matter? how does embodiment 'matter' (or not) for a black box? ; and how you are understanding MacCormack's posthuman ethics vs. Braidotti's posthuman ethics; ex. MacCormack is much more radical in her embrace of human extinction, no? she seems to see this as a valuable imaginary space for moving beyond anthropocentrism (whereas Braidotti remains quite critical of this negative view of a complete ending to all humans).

    2. Examples of Humanist thought is evident everywhere while Post-humanist thought requires untrained, infantile pathways for imagination. But I think my short story will attempt to accomplish this.

      what about anti-humanist critiques? ex. post-colonial critiques of human rights (see Ian's warm-up discussion on (un)documented citizenship).

    1. - from the meta-novel narrative

      will you explain this 'meta-novel narrative' somewhere? Do you mean meta-fiction as when a story refers back to the act of narration that produces the story?

    2. Discuss other foundations for developing ethics.Use these applications in the short story.

      I'm really looking forward to reading the stories and seeing how you do this!

    3. Bottom up ethics: one that is not authorized top down necessarily, but embedded and, therefore, applicable.A new manifesto/laws inspired by Asimov's laws

      Did you ever find method 1. opposing method 2.?

    1. Based on a set of laws + manifesto: this was intentionally left unreadable and open-ended for the audience to imagine

      Which brings in much room for interpretation as well.

    2. The Black Box: Machine AI

      This idea of drawing inspiration from the black monolith in Kubrick's film is great! One of the things the monolith does is accelerate evolution...

    3. To navigate please use the inner dial pieces under the pages if you want to skip sections- although going in order is probably best.At the bottom of every page will be a navigation button. Please use that to follow the story in order!Thanks!

      I've been thinking about how ideas get ordered and the problem of writing a less linear/chronological story. You use bullet points below to create a kind of 'ordering' whereas on the methods page you use numbering. To some extent, this imposes a kind of 'artificial' order since the ideas do not necessarily have to be read in that order (ex. the chapter topics are not in any particularly logical order, are they?) Could your stories have allowed for a similar rearranging as independent units?

    1. I'm trying to figure out the table of contents page and feel like I might be stuck in a loop already - why are there four tables of contents in the list below? And how does the visualization allow me to see connections across the project? This organization still looks more like a tree than a network - or a I missing some of the pathways when I view it this way?

    1. Overall comments

      • I enjoyed the mix of text, quotes, images, videos you integrated in your project in order to illustrate the work of deconstructing the ways in which gender, fashion, and the non-human intersect in museum curatorial practices. The distinction between self-fashioning and self-styling was particularly productive for developing a posthuman lens on these practices (although there was a little confusion when you spoke of agency).
      • You successfully balanced theory, example, and multimedia so that your user doesn't get overwhelmed by terminology. But it might have been helpful to integrate a glossary into your project (with internal links) to keep your use of various terms clear (the page on the deconstructivist approach was particularly helpful in this regard).
      • You created some great slideshows and visualizations to break down the linearity of your project and allow your user to navigate the project following different pathways.
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 6.5/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 5/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 5/6 TOTAL = 16.5/20
    1. Your concluding remarks nicely come back to two key concepts - affect and embodiment - in the search for posthuman curatorial practices, while also leaving open the question of deconstructing gender. Just a quick thought - Butler's theory of gender performativity brought me back to your explanation of the more traditional curatorial practices of staging and dramatizing. To some extent, what you are calling for is for fashion exhibitions in museums to display the deconstructivist method 'at work', no? how is this different from staging and dramatizing? or can these traditional practices be used more subversively to create an affective and embodied posthumanist fashion exhibition?

    2. the non-verbal a

      Hmmm, scholars like Barad would argue that all bodies are both semiotic and material. Could you explain how 'non-verbal' and 'semiotic' (meaning-making) do or do not overlap? And how this relates to posthuman curatorial practices?

    3. Also, developing the concept of male subjective oppression could be another angle to discuss how the lack of scholarly documented texts in fashion exhibits serve as a site of the agenc

      What do you mean by 'male subjective oppression'? The patriarchal gaze? or normative masculinity?

    1. Bodies are not objects with inherent boundaries and properties; they are material-discursivephenomena.

      I'm not sure you need yet another theorist... Karen Barad's agential realism does not fully align with new materialism and would need to be unpacked much more fully.

    2. “molecular proximity” with the animal that transforms the body in a nonhuman fashion ((2)p.253).

      Where is this quote from? It's an excellent point but I'm not sure of the connection between the two ideas in this paragraph - what is 'playing semi-autonomous being'? are you referring to the taxidermy animals or the museum visitors or the mannequins?

    3. The fascinating features of the non-human like figures are their non-idealized feminine features. A kind of non-gender dialogue is advocated by the interconnectedness with the invisible others. 

      I'm still stuck on the idea of dresses as promoting a 'non-gender dialogue'. I think you are absolutely right in asserting the alien-like head features of the mannequins but the rest of the bodies are quite traditionally feminine in shape, no?

    4. Therefore, Savage Beauty exhibition held in Metropolitan Museum of Art in New-York City, in 2011

      Since your title refers to the runway as well, you may have wanted to begin with an explanation of this first image (and how it contrasts or not with the second image from the MET exhibition).

    1. The interpretative skills from the outsiders perspectives

      I thought you were initially referring to Mugler's collaborations with 'outsiders' like the Cirque du soleil. Does the museum exhibit point to the ways in which his bestiary collection may have been a result of working on costumes for the show Zumanity?

    2. Moving away from the gendered mannequin is a site of negotiations in order to reclaim a post-gender body within posthuman fashion practices.

      I agree! This seems like the greatest challenge - how to display clothing that has been designed for a particular kind of body in ways that deconstruct exactly that normalized and gendered body?

    3. the discursive production of maternal body

      But the maternal body has also been sexualized by the phallocentric gaze (I'm thinking of paintings of Mary and Jesus...)

    4. The affect of displaying maternal body

      I'm confused - why the maternal body? wouldn't this have a similar effect of universalizing the female body? or is the point to create a connection between human and non-human female bodies (a kind of ecofeminist approach)? Or is the point to deconstruct the association of the maternal with something human?

    5. single self-styling

      So you are making a distinction between different kinds of self-styling practices, some of which remain quite humanist whereas others move towards posthumanism? How does this more humanist 'single self-styling' overlap with or differ from 'self-fashioning' (that you also point out as being self-aggrandizing)?

    1. Self-organizing:

      It's not clear to me how you are using the term here since Braidotti uses it to refer to biological, less conscious functions of the human body (and other living beings).

    1. Reading through a non-verbal, and non-normative way of curating could be seen as a very disruptive posthuman curatorial challenge. 

      Could you have given an example of what this might look like? The MET seems to have tried to deconstruct the use of space in its exhibition of Kawakubo's work but without challenging the mannequin bodies used to display the pieces.

    2. The initial visualization is a lot of fun to navigate as the size and choice of links changes depending on what you have clicked previously. I'm not sure I fully understand how the connections work (most tagged pages to that page?) but this option challenges a purely linear navigation of your project - good!

    1. Instead of displaying the female body by using normative bodies, the female body could be represented with “lumps and bumps"((4) p.252).

      In the MET video, the mannequins still have quite traditional forms...

    2. Not only do the draperies refer to the classical sculptures, but also do change the posture of the body (physical posture) to challenge the invisibility of the non-human.

      An excellent point! But maybe to challenge the normalizing processes of what it means to have a human body?

    3. Avoiding the human subject oriented is something that Kawakubo does to move beyond the social construction of feminine qualities.

      Could you walk through this argument more slowly given that these pieces are still dresses in the more conventional sense?

    4. Body becomes dress collection, the body freely self-organized itself by the "blending between the body and garment, nor can it be adequately described as a prosthetic “incorporation” of the object into the body"((2) p.250).

      I'm wondering what it would be like to wear a piece like this - would the body feel more freedom to move or more restrained by the added forms?

    1. To give a sense of what self-fashioning means, self-fashioning defends an individual self-agency, confined within the anthropocentric normativity by suppressing otherness.

      Ok, a get a much better sense of how you are using self-agency here. And it definitely fits with the distinction you are making between self-fashioning and self-styling.

    1. pecificity. Dress means body, body means dress. This collection will be analyzed more attentively concerning the control of bodies with a relational perspective.

      Watching this video, I was a little surprised by how many of the pieces in Kawakubo's collection are skirts, dresses and what I would consider 'gendered' clothing. Could you have acknowledged that her work still contains many 'traditional' pieces? ex. dress meets body rather than fabric or material meets body. The pieces that seem most posthuman to me are the ones that place objects on the body and so 'deform' it to some extent - this definitely moves in the direction of imagining new embodiments.

    1. Therefore, a more embodied and non-verbal critical posthuman subjectivity on fashion will indeed question the normative idea of the body through self-styling.

      Good! This paragraph nicely summarizes how your project articulates a sense of self-styling with respect to the deconstruction of gender and the intersections with the non-human.

    2. By analyzing and comparing the curatorial approaches of Thierry Mugler's exhibition Couturissime in Montreal Museum of Fine Arts with other possible ways of reframing a posthuman curating practice, I will critique the linear, the lack of spatial and affective engagement in an experimental use of affective turn into self-styling display of fashion.

      When looking closer at the exhibit on the museum's webpage, I noticed there is a more hands-on component as well - 'the sewing box.'

    3. For instance, the digital museum fashion practices, the biological male and female differences in the interplay of fashion, the sexual and the cultural specificity through fashion will remain open to further discussion.

      Also mention that you will not be looking at runways as performative spaces?

    4. As I have been questioning the rise of fashion in museums and the implications of gender normativity, I will adopt a deconstructivist methodology to better undermine the binary between women and men to move beyond the anthropocentric male subjectivity in the museum narrative and discursive space.

      Good! Clear explanation of what deconstructionism works to do - undermine binary oppositions by revealing their co-dependency.

    1. General comments

      • Your project brings together two different cultural imaginaries - the AI as (romantic) other and the alien as (feared) other. While the former clearly overlaps with the posthuman, the latter has a much longer history (think of Cyrano de Bergerac's belief in moon creatures!). This gap needed to be addressed somewhere in the project, especially since Jonze is trying to move beyond the intense fear of the (AI-machine) Other whereas Glazer is ramping up the anxiety around the (alien) Other.
      • You outline quite a few different components in your methods section but without ever fully developing them in the project pages - ex. where was the example of an alternative romantic love? This left the user with bits and pieces of arguments, ideas and creative experiments without any real cohesion. Similarly, the use of Scalar's functionalities was quite haphazard - ex. sometimes new pages were created for quotes and other times not; images were added to pages without explanation, etc.
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 6/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 4/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 3/6 TOTAL = 13/20
    1. While I really like this attempt at representing Samantha's 'internal organs', there is a much, much larger network missing from this image - the huge warehouses that store 'cloud computing'. Samantha must be connected to these larger 'brains' somehow. It may have been helpful if you wanted to represent the AI's materiality to do some research on these larger networks and how they work, where they are located, etc.

    1. This excursion into a poetic encounter with the film would have been extremely effective if it was seamlessly integrated into the project. While I get the sense you are working to defamiliarize the user, you needed to frame this experiment with respect to the anti-humanist critique and the scene analysis. As it stands, the poem feels completely disconnected (and why the images given that your poem is not actually rooted in a specific place)?

    1. General comments

      • Your project takes on the complex and difficult topic of machine ethics through story-telling, illustrating a possibly less hierarchical relationship between humans and non-humans. You flip Asimov's laws so that humans are given a code for moral behaviour instead of the kyroids and imagine an egalitarian instead of exploitive relationships between the two (yet the humans are still quite exploitive of each other!).
      • You offer some additional contextual information at the beginning of the story in terms of the name 'kyr' (which reminded me of 'care') and the posthuman. Each of the laws also have some background material, which was extremely helpful for situating your thinking. But I felt there also needed to be a concluding page with reflections on the obstacles you came up against when writing the story and the successes (or failures) of the survey (which didn't get as developed as I thought it would be).
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 6.5/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 4/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 4.5/6 TOTAL = 15/20
    1. I'm looking for interpretations of each of these elements - ex. how do the use of long shots and close ups contribute to a sense of dread? How does the natural setting contrast with the presence of the nonhuman alien character? This scene does an excellent job of creating a sense of the uncanny because of the lack of emotional response (feels very alien) on the part of a very human-looking being (feels very familiar).

    2. It's not clear to me why you chose this scene to analyze with respect to your anti-humanist critique of the film. Would it not have been better to pick a scene where the viewer experiences the male-female reversal of power? Or a scene that 'fails' to represent a posthuman subjectivity?

    1. the posthuman subject as it genders, racializes, and sexualizes the non-human ‘other’.

      Since this is the crux of your argument, you need to give some specific exemples of 'gendering', 'racializing,' and 'sexualizing' the non-human other (here's where you could have included some scene analysis).

    1. Are these pages kind of like footnotes? How / when did you decide to create a new page for an argument (rather than integrate it into the main argument page)?

    1. My MethodsThe methods through which I will bring my project into fruition include the option to pursue various paths of humanist, anti-humanist, and posthumanist strains of thought with relation to the two films. The anti-humanist critiques of the films include: a feminist critique, an evaluation of the possibilities for technology as a site of resistance for non-human entities, an exploration of romantic love which resides in a predominantly humanist discourse when applied to the post-human context, and the issues of matter as they are portrayed in these narratives. In particular, this experience will ask the questions of: the nature of the human’s relationship to the AI and its power structures (levels of anthropocentrism), the degree of “de-familiarization” that exists in the portrayal of the AI (post-anthropocentric becoming), and the ways in which the films create new iterations of romance which move away from humanist depictions of romantic love.

      It's great to have your methods outlined here - but I lost sight of the 'posthumanist strain' of thought in the long list of ideas associated with an 'anti-humanist critique' - is it the 'issues of matter' point at the end of the list? I think you needed to organize this paragraph a little more carefully.

    2. Life Beyond Species

      Before summarizing the two films, you needed a paragraph outlining and explaining this idea of 'life beyond species' - how do you understand the two strains of post-anthropocentrism? in what ways does it converge with and diverge from posthumanism?

    1. The objective is to distinguish instances of “de-familiarization” from the “perpetuation of familiar regimes” within these films. (Braidotti)

      Page reference for the quote? It's a great choice but I do think you could have dug a little deeper for your explanation of defamiliarization - it's a key term in literary studies well before Braidotti takes hold of it.

    1. I realize you may have wanted to make your human characters as identifiable as possible for the reader but I'm having trouble with their superficiality - money, jobs and status seem to be their main driving motivations (at least as far as the male characters go!). Were you creating unlikeable human characters to get the reader to identify more with the kyroids? If so, you needed to develop the lives, experiences and interactions of these non-humans as well. I really wanted to know more about them (and less about the humans with their Porsche, lavish weddings, multinational corporations, business schools ! ;-)

    1. The short story for the third law takes us back to the reason why the laws were made public to the human society. It also confirms the fact that the Kyroids were already driven by these themes stated in each of the laws, so truly the laws are for the humans to follow and understand the thought process of the Kyroids.

      What I find really interesting about your three stories is that they don't actually give the reader a sense of the kyroids' thought processes. The three kyroids 'assess the situation' according to a pre-set law. So even though you explain their actions in light of this law, the reader doesn't really begin to identify with them as characters because no details are given about their lives, their personalities, etc. whereas the humans are outlined in quite a bit of detail (social status, past events, etc.). Did you consider dedicating as much time to describing the kyroids as you did to describing the human characters?

    1. "you no longer cared for any form of human connection and as such are in the danger of loosing touch with your human condition, the emotions and feelings that define your race. I could easily help you with this task, but it would simply be you exercising an unthinking acceptance of convenient short term solutions."

      Hmm, I hadn't expected this turn of events - a new posthuman species that helps humans remain human or at least maintain social interactions with other humans (which for many is key to the human condition - sociality and social structures). This is a very different kind of 'intervention' than say, the aliens in Butler's novel, who reduce human interactions initially because they so often lead to conflict and violence.

    2. Larry Coleman was used to being independent.

      I had been hoping for a female protagonist this time... SF is so swamped already with male protagonists (and authors and filmmakers :-)

    1. The Conversation – David Krakauer & Robert C. WolcottDavid Krakauer, evolutionary geneticist, complexity theorist and CEO of the Santa Fe Institute (SFI), takes the long view. Sharing his perspectives on brain ...Source: YouTube

      I'm fascinated that this conversation also starts with the problem of time - 'short term' vs. 'long term' - and then moves into question of efficiency and laziness (with respect to taking the 'time' to work through difficult decisions).

    1. Part of Joseph's inability to identify / empathize with the elderly pedestrians seems to be his lateness, which got me thinking about mechanical time like clocks, work schedules, etc. that impose 'their' time on other possible temporalities in order to maximise human 'output.' Do the kyroids have more time? Ria seems to experience time differently - she 'takes' the time to assess the situation here.

    1. greatest net good consequences, taking all those affected by the action equally into account. (Anderson, 162)

      But this is quite anthropocentric, no? 'greatest net good consequences' for humans? what if an action is devastating for an ecosystem but brings pleasure to the greatest number of humans? this is where environmental ethics begins to challenge some of the (hidden) assumptions of human moral systems.

    1. he Kyroids embodiment denotes gender in a humanistic sense. But, all Kyroids are gender-less and so their presence re-wires the way humans come to conclusions based on appearance.

      Very cool drawings! From where did you draw your inspiration? I think I remember now. From Asimov's book, right?

    2. DescriptionAnnotationsDetailsCitationsSource file

      Could you have developed this annotation a little more to explain how this discussion about AI's materiality informed your choice of embodiment?

    1. One evening on Colwell bridge, three lives were claimed as two cars collided into one another, a white SUV and a yellow Porsche. Martha Norris and her daughter Susan were in the white SUV driving home from a night out at the cinema. I

      I actually thought this was going to be about self-driving cars and the moral 'decisions' they are currently being programmed to make - see for example https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07135-0

    2. the Kyroids adapted to their various societies

      This point about various societies seems important and gets a little lost. Will all societies in this future world have 'work, school, and home'? Or 'neighbourhoods' and 'houses', 'streets' and 'news media'?

    1. A look at the current mindset of humans

      all humans? could you instead give the user a sense of the number of people interviewed (and different age groups)?

    1. post-humanism completely moves away from the idea of the human body as "ideal" and embraces other forms of embodiment

      This sounds more like transhumanism to me... In class, we spent quite a bit of time discussing the role of embodiment for posthumanism - it reminds us of our eco-relations and of the human as dependent upon the planet as habitat.

    2. As such, the post-human does not necessarily move away from the embodiment associated with a human, but rather thinks to expand the limits and enhance the capabilities of the human. 

      Do you want to make the distinction between transhumanism and posthumanism? Whereas the former promotes enhancement and augmentation, the latter critiques the biopolitics of such a project.

    1. I love the background images on this page! I'm not sure how you got them to be dynamic but it's extremely effective for creating the sense of moving towards something in the future.

    2. 'kyr' serves as my chosen pronoun for this project in lieu of the traditional 'I' from Isaac Asimov's "I, Robot"

      This word sounds a little like 'care' in English. Maybe something to develop further?

    3. My project presents a speculative world sometime in the future, I refrained from the use of dates and any notion of a particular period in time in order to keep in line with this idea of an kyr, an indefinite number of years from where we are right now. 

      Naming a species after time is fascinating. It's gotten me thinking about the class discussions about chronological vs. cyclical time and linear vs. networked temporalities.

    1. Overall comments -

      • This is a great project that incorporated many well thought-out components such as the original production of three musical pieces (and the learning of the necessary technical skills to do this!), the audio clips created from the interviews (I'm sure you spent quite a bit of time on this as well! And I loved how the audio component added another layer of musicality to your project), and of course, the scholarly research into the question of machine-generated music (and art more generally).
      • Your conclusion about creativity as shared across various human and non-human agents echoes the post-anthropocentric theories we have been exploring in class over the semester.
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 7/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 5/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 6/6 TOTAL = 18/20
    2. Your two concluding remarks nicely summarize the underlying objectives of your project - countering the fear of machines 'taking over' musical creation and challenging the idea of what constitutes the human. I think you could have added a third remark, though, about the materiality involved in these four different musical compositions - with what kinds of matter are you interacting? how does this matter also act upon you (allowing for some choices but not others)? etc.

    3. to be human also means to be technological, we can think of machine-art as a human extension

      Could you have rephrased this in terms of 'becoming human' and 'becoming machine' instead of 'being' and an 'extension of being'?

    4. the interviews brought me to the conclusion that what we consider music to be is highly dependent on the language we use.

      And on your interviewees previous experiences, no?

    5. No description available.

      Too bad you can't upload audio files into Voyant Tools. Then you could see how this word cloud compares to the vocabulary used by your interviewees.

    1. You have some excellent sources, here, and you integrate them beautifully in your projet. I'm curious as to whether you found any sources that were also extremely critical of the turn to AI generated music...

    1. an aura created around the concept of “creativity”. B

      It is exactly this 'aura' that Walter Benjamin argues came to an end in the age of mechanical reproduction (from the single highly prized painting to the mass production of Warhol's soup can). In other words, each new invention brings an 'end' to a previous 'aura'.

    2. both art/craft and technology can be seen as “forms of poiesis, as ways of revealing and bringing into being.” (299)

      You could come back to the notion of autopoiesis that Braidotti uses to describe non-human self-organizing and self-styling (following biologists Maturana and Varela),

    3. “the process cannot simply be reduced to the execution of a code written by humans” and machines enter a sphere that had always been reserved for humans. (Coeckelbergh, 2017, 286)

      Unless of course creativity is something that is understood as greater than the human; ie. a kind of zoe creativity?

    1. Music Algorithmic Generation Engine (MAGE)Source: YouTube

      This example reminded me of my daughter's creation of themes and variations when she was in her third year of music theory. I wonder how your interviewees would respond to these pieces... probably not with comments about it being 'simpliste'!

    2. Clever title! The only problem is that your interlude provides a much more complex and rich musical experience than the other four pieces! It's quite amazing to listen to what the MAGE-human assemblage ends up composing.

    1. to have an agency, which according to Lagrandeur (2018, 7) is a key component of “what makes posthuman art distinctive: this sort of art is often the result of mixed, multiple agencies—the artist’s and that of his or her smart tools.” (This would of course apply to Logic Pro’s composition, but the software’s agency in this piece is far greater.) By having an agency superior to that of the human in the creation process, the post-anthropocentric turn becomes extremely visible

      Here, you needed a little more explanation of the term 'agency' (either Latour and co. for the STS side or Bennett, Barad, and co. for the feminist side). It clearly does not mean having an interiority or consciousness (as in 'moral agent') and instead points to the capacity to interact with others (so agency is relational and not a feature of identity). In the case of the MAX/MSP, it is not a question of having 'superior agency' but of interacting in new ways which gives rise to new social assemblages/networks.

    2. why should humans be the only ones who can be ‘creative’?

      Again, I think there would be a ton of things to say in response to this question if you brought in animal studies :-) But I realize this is beyond the scope of your project...

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      Could you have brought in the posthuman idea of 'becoming' here? In what sense is the machine becoming composer in terms of the effects it creates (not about identity but about expression)?

    4. Which one to you find the more musical (between the 3)?

      I'm wondering if the response to this question depends in part on the listener's level of musical training...

    5. One word to describe this piece?

      No annotations for these responses? I was surprised by the contrasts - 'senseless' and 'régulier', 'étonnant' and 'simpliste'. Is there a wider variety for this piece than the others?

    1. Indeed, for art to be considered post-human, there must be a collaboration between technology and biology (machines and humans). And as Kirby (2012) notes, musicians’ reliance on DAWs is a great place to raise the question of machine and human collaboration.

      I agree but here's where it would have been helpful to have an example of such a collaboration that gives rise to some great music. I don't think we need to sacrifice what we consider good music when discussing machine-human collaborations, but we may need to rethink some of the categories we use to discern what we like and don't like as well as acknowledge the influences that contribute to these preferences.

    2. Your annotations on the interviews are really thought-provoking. I'm not sure this is the best format for them, though, since they kept appearing and then disappearing on my screen.

    3. hi-hat, snare, kick.

      I'm wondering about the addition of the percussion since this is what feels most electronic to me... But this got me thinking about how these three sounds are often used in trap music. Could part of what the interviewees are reacting to so negatively be the combination of these sounds? (ie. more 'traditional' flute and more electronic percussion)

    1. Where the human, the instruments, and the machines begin and end is unclear. Wilson wants to argue that it is by exploring this blurring effect that emerged through different bodily extensions in musical performance that we can rediscover what bodies are. As Hayles argues that “we have always been posthuman” (Hayles, 1999, 275), Wilson extends this thought arguing that “through losing the body into a larger field of instruments, sounds and nonhumans, it rematerialises anew.” (Wilson, 2017, 147)

      I find this argument really interesting and was wondering if you could follow up with a point about the blurring of the organic and inorganic that this kind of thinking requires... for example, Wilson's point about rematerializing the body but not necessarily in an organic form.

    2. An instrument is already an extension of our bodies and in this sense, it can be considered already post-human.

      I was just about to ask about the role of the body as techne :-)

    3. nature-culture continuum

      You could include a few of the comments from your interviewees who all emphasize a kind of return to the organic, the peaceful, etc. (I wonder if you would have had similar comments if you had used a minor instead of a major key...)

    1. A general comment about this page - the addition of interview clips spread out over the page was excellent! It created an amazing polyphony as I read over your text and listened to the clips at the same time. I loved the different tonalities and pitches of these voices that ended up creating a kind of musicality that spilled over onto your written text.

    2. creativity, senses, emotions, "sentiments", spiritual, "produit de la vie", "âme" etc. Words that one automatically links to human processes.

      This list evokes for me the profoundly embedded and embodied human (emotions, senses, life, rhythms) as well as the more humanist view (soul, transcendence, etc.)

    1. Overall comments -

      • Your project explores a less linear and more relational understanding of temporality in some really productive ways - theoretically and creatively (mix of readings and artistic creation); structurally and aesthetically (triads and not binaries, colours to create additional links); experimentally and analytically (webs of ideas and arguments). You make relevant connections to posthumanism in your critique of the Vitruvian man's microbes :-), and your clear explanation of a chronological, linear time vs. multiple, rhizomatic temporalities. There were a few times when I felt you could have explained your examples a little more, though - ex. biopolitics of corn, or gut microflora.
      • I was also left with a few questions that a final page might have helped answer - what did the artistic element bring to your project vs. the more traditional research-driven element? I'm thinking of Braidotti's definition of art that pushes us beyond the limits of the human in so many ways... And how does this understanding of multiple temporalities give rise to a posthuman politics and ethics? What kinds of sustainable relationships are possible with corn and bacteria?
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 6.5/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 5/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 5/6 TOTAL = 16.5/20
    1. This cube also removes the human from the temporality by showing an alternative space where other agencies have the opportunity to be empowered. 

      Did you consider playing around with the placement of the cubes? For example, placed horizontally instead of stacked vertically? Or suspended in space in different places rather than 'building' from the ground up? And then there's the question of the stool upon which the cubes are stacked :-)

    2. In this case, the web forms a pocket which encompasses the rapport between the Plant root system and the microbial life forms.

      I also really like the idea of the cube structures as pockets of time in a much larger enfolded web to temporalities.

    1. Another example could be Machine-Time, where time is not continuous, stoppable and malleable. For instance, as machines breakdown and are fixed. 

      True, but this feels added on rather than integrated into your project.

    2. In comparison, due to the evolutionary changes, modern corn has a less active relationship with microbes. However, a core group of microbes remains over time and generations as it has become clear that corn plants can pass on some of its microbes to the next generation through seeds.

      Bibliographical reference?

    1. Placed within the temporal installation, the Bacteria-Human spacial representation, alongside the other two sculptural cubes, anchor the zigzagging and plural Time to specific events and spaces, rather than being measured by chronological ideals.

      Could you explain the red bulbs? I'm assuming this cube represents an inner view of the body (with the red being blood) but I'm not quite sure.

    1. On the one hand, this movement has promoted the reframing of the negative connotation of microbes and bacteria and allowed for the cooperative mode of living to be highlighted. There has been a value placed on biodiversity both in the earth's environment and within the human ecosystem. It has forged a new network of microbial allies. On the other hand, the imagery of the Vitruvian man is still problematic, as it bases this new ideology of partnership and of multiplicity on a Humanist foundation which promotes the centrality of the human being. 

      I really like how you weigh both sides here of the 'promote the microbe' movement. You could also point out that much of the discourse about gut flora has to do with health and wellness (playing into an 'optimized' humanist self again). Feminist scholar Elizabeth Wilson has a really interesting book on this called Gut Feminism that examines the relationship between depression and intestinal issues.

    1. nchor the zigzagging and plural Time to specific events and spaces, rather than being measured by chronological ideals.

      Ok! The cube structure becomes a kind of actualization of the many different possible timelines within which humans and corn interact. With respect to your corn as fellow vs. corn as resource, I'm wondering if it would have made sense to connect a much longer thread to the cube structure (a more indigenous cosmologies worldview) and a much shorter one (a more Western industrial capitalist view that is often critiqued for being 'short-sighted'). In this way, you could have connected threads and cubes... or was this not the point?

    2. Intertwined & Interdependent: a Maize and Human history in Space and Time

      So why the timelines with cube structures and without cube structures? Would the former be a kind of Aion, the virtual possibilities of all temporalities? I see you start to explain this below in terms of two different installations but it's not clear to me how the threads interact with the boxes...

    1. The exploitation of corn can be considered as a form of biopolitical control over an agent

      Ok, I see that you are bringing up the biopolitics of monocultures here.

    2. "the focus is on the traits expressed in the products and not on the method used to introduce those traits" (Restrictions on Genetically Modified Organisms) In this way, corn is addressed as an agency holding actant.

      Hmm, I'm not sure about this conclusion. I get the sense that corn is instead treated like bio-genetic capital, that can be manipulated to maximise profit. Could you have raised this problem of the biopolitics of corn? I was reminded of an amazing play by a Montreal-based playwright Annabel Soutar - https://porteparole.org/en/plays/seeds/

    3. Role of Corn in the present dayToday, Corn now can be found everywhere, used both to produce edible products and for inedible products: 

      The slideshow below poses a bit of problem for me because of the timeline you created to outline the evolution of corn. It feels like the images should follow each other in time or something... I think it's the use of the arrows that creates this sense of temporality where you did not intend to have one.

    1. You clearly outline two opposing views of time, drawing on Tanaka's article to challenge a linear and anthropocentric notion of human history. You cite Braidotti but I'm wondering if you could have made a few more connections to class discussions and material; ex. our discussion of the prefix 'post' in posthuman - does it mean necessarily coming after the human? in a purely linear temporality, yes, but this is not how posthumanism views time; if instead we understand time as multiple layers of differing temporalities, then posthumanism posits itself inside, next to, alongside humanism and identifies many different moments as posthuman (pre-modern moments as well).

    1. I love how this page juxtaposes text and image in order to create multiple points of view on relationality. Because it 'moves' when you hover it, the visualization of your project pages is particularly effective. I was wondering, though, if you could have given just a short description of the photographs since I'm not sure how to interpret these coloured pieces of yarn strewn across space...

      • I've come back to this page to add my general comments about your project because I haven't found a 'conclusion' page anywhere that offers additional reflections on the two parts of your project; for example, how can the creation of a CD stairway to heaven as a kind of mourning practice be brought to bear on the analysis of song lyrics in which human lives are mourned? How might thinking about music's materiality lead to more sustainable practices in the music industry? How does this project invite the user to think about death on a 'species' level instead of an individual level? (ex. the CD example is more 'collective' I think)
      • Overall, your project takes on the difficult task of asking how human and object deaths come together in the music industry. Thanks for sharing your love of these artists with the user!
      • Given the long traditions and intense affect attached to human deaths, it may have felt specious at times trying to identify forms of grief and mourning with respect to object deaths. Your two creative examples begin, however, the important work of opening up a space for this discussion. At the same time, I was left wondering about this problem that was never really addressed. Maybe the next step in thinking about a posthumanist politics of material death?
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 6.5/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 4/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities - 4.5/6 TOTAL = 15/20
    1. I therefore plan to investigate the Record/Analog and the CD through creative means, producing a visual representation of my attempt to embody the subjectivity of each object in order to investigate the criteria for which species (and materialities) get to die, what these sites and times of death look like, who mediates these deaths, and how the death (and rebirth) of physical listening equipment has changed the nature of a body of work, or a body in general.

      Good! You have clearly outlined the main components of your project. You just need to clean this sentence up a little - 'to investigate.... to embody... to investigate'.

    1. I love how this creative experiment to represent a CD stairway to heaven combines a humanist text with a posthumanist attention to the object. Very intriguing! At the same time, I am quite aware of the large gap between this part of your project and the first part about 'mourning human deaths' - I'm wondering if you could have bridged this gap somehow.

    1. How does the perceived ineffectiveness of the objects when they stand alone contrast their purpose as a united body of machines? What does this site of death/rebirth say about the value we have placed on the vinyl setup and the quality of sound that it produces?

      These are quite questions but it feels like you needed to go further in your analysis of the death/rebirth of these machines... ex. the return of vinyl or the processes of recycling - in other words, could you have created a bigger picture of the material networks in which these objects are implicated?

    2. The decaying leaves and twigs that make up the ground perfectly describes this site as both a grave and a place of birth.

      This 'grave' also contrasts quite strikingly with the usual landfill sites.

    1. how Posthumanism can serve to protect the livelihood of these objects. 

      Is this the main aim of posthumanism? Instead of 'protection', I would speak of a need to consider the lives/deaths of inanimate objects in the creation of a sustainable politics.

    2. This anthropocentric aspect of music needs to be directly addressed lest we forget the importance of the records, the clunky analog equipment with receiver and speakers to match, the 10-stack CD rack in the mini-van, the wires and plastics and nobs and dials, the compromising scratches that threatened the acoustic integrity of our precious musicians.

      Could you have integrated a few quotes about zoe in this section in order to make the link between animate beings (a more eco-posthumanist focus) and the lives-deaths of inanimate objects (your focus)?

    1. After exploring the pages related to this topic, I have a couple of general comments: 1) it was key to the question you are asking in this project to include actual songs, videos and lyrics - your choice of songs felt really relevant but I would have liked a little more explanation of why these three artists in particular; 2) you explained the lyrics with respect to the artist's contexts which pointed to the ways in which music (and art more generally) are viewed as biographical - but it felt at times that you were moving too quickly through the songs - what rites and rituals are associated with this form of mourning? how does this type of music allow for an expression of grief that other types may not (ex. reggae, ambient, etc.)?

    2. Before delving into the Posthuman side of death on a species, interplanetary level, it remains essentially important for consider the humanist depictions of death, as well as the Antihumanist responses to this depiction of death, in order to properly understand how to move away from an anthropocentric understanding of death.

      It's great you responded to my comments about not completely effacing the issue of human deaths from your project. You may also want to have pointed out that posthumanism does not always make space for the kind of mourning you are describing here.

    1. I'm on a jail call, trying to explain it to my babyI gotta do the calendar twice, and that's a maybe

      This point made me think of Charlie's warm-up discussion about zombies and the between life and death state they represent. To some extent, time in jail could be analysed as a zombie state (especially with respect to the explanation given in the glossary about black slavery).

    2. he phone specifically as the only means by which an incarcerated individual can contact their family, as well as a service they are forced to pay for, points to the bio-capitalist forces that underpin the American prison system

      This feels like a bit of a stretch... When watching the videos, it was the omnipresence of bills (money) that struck me as the strongest link to these bio-capitalist forces.

    3. "Fuck your life, meet me in hell"And let it burn like Lucifer, you look even stupider

      Could you speak to the religious imagery here? The notion of the devil and hell as deeply engrained in ways of imagining human death?

    1. The socio-economic and political forces that have made Chicago an epicenter for gang violence, while outside of Polo's control, are such that the African-Americans of Chicago are commodified either in terms of sports or in terms of statistics. 

      True, but you could also come back to how music becomes a form of mourning? what are the practices of rite and ritual that play into this expression of grief?

    2. For risk of projecting too much of my own situational knowledge onto these lyrics, the images provided reference Polo's own comments on the lyrics of his song, an amazing feature offered by Genius on their website.

      You could spend a little more time unpacking this use of social media to create a narrative around a song about an individual's life.

    1. Cause we had nightmare of our mamas gotta bury her son

      Could you analyse this line since it refers to the practices of burial (human death vs. object death)?

    2. A couple years later we flirtin' with the angel of death

      Could you have analyzed this line since it creates a tension between 'flirting' with what one most fears (and possibly desires at the same time - see class discussions about Eros and Thanatos)?

    1. Death for Herbo has clearly been both something that he grew up with and something that he fears for himself and those around him.

      So how are these deaths inscribed in the kind of bio- and necro-politics you refer to on the intro page? Maybe a little less explanation of the lyrics and more critical analysis?

    1. This page nicely walks the user through the process by which you arrived at your project topic. Your point about a species vs. individual death is well made, as is the latter assertion about material deaths of music equipment. Could you also introduce the notion of life-death continuum here (another central point of a posthumanist thinking about death)?

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      I love this image! You do need to properly cite it, though (Pieter Bruegel the Elder’s “Big Fish Eat Little Fish” (1557)).

      • It was a lot of fun exploring your project, Sam. There were so many different components and yet you managed to keep the whole thing organized (and not too overwhelming! although part of being introduced to a new religion means being overwhelmed :-)
      • In many respects, your topic of a posthuman/non-human religion dug deeply into the ideas of vital materialism that we worked through in class by taking seriously the amazing diversity of living beings on the planet. You made connections to other questions that came up in class like a zoe-centred egalitarianism and a view of death beyond the self. Your use of scientific knowledge to outline a non-human religion also nicely echoes the kind of interdisciplinary postsecularism that we were only able to briefly touch on in class (but that appears in the God's Gardeners thinking in Atwood's novel).
      • If I still have a few questions, they are largely related to how you could continue to reflect on this topic: 1) in terms of the final requirement, eschatology needed to be discussed with respect to a life-death continuum - could this be what a non-human religion teaches us? 2) I felt like the project needed some of kind of conclusion - this could have been a list of additional questions or a summary of plant religion, animal religion, bacteria religion - how are each of these religions different?
      • Evaluation - 1) how your chosen topic engages with the complexities of posthumanism - 7/8 ; 2) how you situate and critically analyse the posthuman lens used in the project - 4/6; 3) how you integrate SCALAR's functionalities (great choice of images!) - 6/6 TOTAL = 17/20
    1. Unfortunately, for plants, I couldn't find anything that told me that plants really cared when one of them died. I think they just germinate some more and move on. 

      If you move from eschatology to temporality, you could speak of much longer 'lives' - like 5000 year old pines - and begin to challenge the notion of individual death. Somewhere in this section, you could also have discussed the life-death continuum - how do non-humans exemplify this continuum? ie. difficulties of identifying where individual life begins and ends; the notion of life as spread across beings.

    1. Tribulation is thought to be the end of the prophecy found in the Christian Holy Book the Bible, in Daniel 9.

      I'm wondering about religions with beliefs about reincarnation that seem to have a more circular understanding of time than eschatology (more linear). It seems like a discussion of temporality needed to be part of this 'requirement'.

    1. Bacteria kind of don't die, really, so it's hard to imagine they care all that much about what happens after death.

      This point and the one about 250 000 000 year old bacteria got me thinking about time scales and how eschatology works on such a short time scale (relatively - individual lives, historical eras like 1000 years for millenarianists) compared to geological time. When does it no longer make sense to speak of endings?

    1. Mourning life due to its inherent value and negative affect towards those associated with taking that life are found as firmly in the religion of animals as they are in the religion of humans.

      What if animals taught us not to fear death? So instead of 'eschatological concern' we might speak of 'eschatological acceptance'?

    1. This is my least informed concept, unfortunately, as the concept of death is a little weird. There is something extraordinarily self-centred about the concept of death, I learned: i

      I'm fascinated by the fact that the more personal "I" is most prominent with respect to this requirement. I suppose it makes sense in light of a metaphysics of death, ie. the idea that death gives meaning to individual human life and the idea that it is impossible to imagine one's own death. But I'm really interested by your attempt to move beyond the individual to understand death at a species level, combining 1) life beyond the self; and 2) life beyond death.

    1. the ability to have some rudimentary understanding of the consequences of selfish outward growth.

      hmm, I had been hoping for an example of plant morality that aligns with 'do unto others what you would have them do unto you'!

    2. Ultimate Perfection includes imperviousness to herbivores and competitive plants.

      A kind of becoming invincible? How does this fit wit interspecies relationships?

    1. While this is an extraordinarily important piece of the religious puzzle, it is difficult to get into detail without opening up a massive black hole of information.

      True, but what about identifying a moral law that is common to many different religions like the Golden Rule? What might something like this rule look like in the non-human world?

    1. I couldn't find anything to do with bacteria having a code of morality. I don't think they have one. Oh to be a bacterium: no masters, no laws, just a string of DNA codes and the desire to multiply

      Ha!

    1. however, since the expression and adherence to a set of morals is undeniably one of religions most integral pillars.

      You could outline two kinds of moral systems, one that emphasizes power and another humility. This might help with finding parallels in non-human worlds. We also discussed in class the ways in which morality might align with levels of survival / life/ flourishing.

    1. However, the willingness to harm a human over harming a cow could indicate a level of hierarchy that includes cows as higher than humans, which is not post-anthropocentric.

      In line with this critique, I think you could have pointed to the cries of "Save the cow, save the nation" in the video clip below.

    1. the Bullhorn Acacia co-evolved with its ants and "learned" to take care of them in a way that heavily resembles stewardship

      I love the examples on this page. But I was wondering how you chose the different kinds of inter-species relationships - were you looking for a mix of symbiotic relationships, mutualism, commensalism & parasitism?

    1. When it was tested on other types of ants, the fungus had not coevolved with them, and therefore was unsuccessful. This manipulation of the ant behaviours by the fungus are vital not only to the manifestation of its Ultimate Perfection, but also simply to its individual life cycle.

      Ok, here's the example that I was asking about on the 'animals' page where death and destruction serve a larger eco-systemic purpose. You could link this to the 'eschatological concern' page. Or you could make a connection to zoe's destructive forces at the inter-species level...

    1. They keep their aphids safe from ladybugs, they "milk" the aphids for honeydew, and sometimes, when necessary, they eat the aphids.

      The mention of ants removing the aphids' wings in the video raised the issue for me of human-animal relations on factory farms. I think the interspecies relations requirement needs to include these more destructive components of these relations as well (not to naturalize or demonize them but to acknowledge them).

    1. species.

      This might be the perfect place to come back to the concept of species that still raises debates within biology. And you could link this to a move towards post-anthropocentrism, as Charlie suggested in her comments.