For practical purposes, experience seems no worse than craft; indeed we even see that experienced people are actually more successful than those who have a rational account but lack experience. The reason is that experi-15 ence is cognition of particulars, whereas craft is cognition of universals.
Sounds reminiscent of conservative political theory. Practical knowledge is better than technical knowledge.
bees
How does he know that bees cant hear sound?
They are not aware of the way true philosophers are nearly dead,nor of the way they deserve to be, nor of the sort of death they deserve.
Enlightenment?
Perhaps then, put in this way, it is not unreasonable that one should notkill oneself before a god had indicated some necessity to do so, like thenecessity now put upon us.
Should you kill yourself or have a cup of coffee?
Tell him the truth, Cebes, he said, that I did not do this with the idea ofrivaling him or his poems, for I knew that would not be easy, but I tried tofind out the meaning of certain dreams and to satisfy my conscience inecase it was this kind of art they were frequently bidding me to practice
I am interested in the conception of art in this time. Did they have a seperation of what is considered an artistic pursuit from something like STEM perhaps? Personally, I don't see a divide but I do think our modern culture often tries to separate the two and I'm wondering if Ancient Greece did as well.
ut, in the name of Zeus, Euthyphro, do you think you havesuch exact knowledge about the positions the gods take, and about thepious and the impious, that in the face of these events, you’ve no fear ofacting impiously yourself in bringing your father to trial?
Challenge to claim of wisdom.
Why, they even mock me as if Iwere crazy, when I speak in the Assembly on religious matters and predictthe future for them
Sophist claim to knowledge contrasts with Socrates claim of ignorance.
ecessity or becauseshe was taken by force, persuaded by words (logoi), or conquered byLove....
Sophists are romantics, quality of word and experience are placed above all else.
Each day you will make constant progresstoward being better
Introduction of the idea of quality above truth. Is the base value of something more important than its implications in reality?
hing
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The worlds come to be when the atoms fall into thevoid and are entangled with one another.
Fall from where?
oid).
I'm curious about the flesh of this argument. How can something both exist but also only be where "things" are not?
What-is must be whole, complete, unchanging, and one. It canneither come to be nor pass away, nor undergo any qualitative change. Onlywhat is in this way can be grasped by thought and genuinely known.
Plato's world of forms?
But come now, I will tell you—and you, when youhave heard the story, bring it safely away—which are the only routes of inquiry that are for thinking:the one, that is and that it is not possible for it not to be,is the path of Persuasion (for it attends upon Truth),the other, that it is not and that it is right that it not be,5this indeed I declare to you to be a path entirely unable tobe investigated:For neither can you know what is not (for it is not to beaccomplished)nor can you declare it.
Aw yes! To see the acceptance of the fact that senses cannot be trusted and truth cannot be fully know is quite familiar. We are leaving the old way!
Much learning [“polymathy”] does not teach insight. Otherwiseit would have taught Hesiod and Pythagoras and moreover Xenoph-anes and Hecataeus.
ROASTED.
274. XENOPHANES OF COLOPHON14.(B24) . . . whole [he] sees, whole [he] thinks, and whole [he] hears.
this whole non-anthropomorphic god idea is very cool. it diverges from the typical sense of god. it seems more reminiscent of like a belief that the universe is conscious.
254. XENOPHANES OF COLOPHONhome without assistance (unless you are very aged).Praise the man who after drinking behaves noblyin that he possesses memory and aims for excellence (
alcoholic philosophy 101. only drink enough so that you can still get home unassisted. I'm curious about the role of alcohol in the development of these thoughts.
motes
What is motes?
(12A23) Anaximander says that these [thunder, lightning, thunder-bolts, waterspouts, and hurricanes] all result from wind. For when-ever it [wind] is enclosed in a thick cloud and forcibly escapes becauseit is so fine and light, then the bursting [of the cloud] creates the noiseand the splitting creates the flash against the blackness of the cloud
So close... yet so far...
It stays atrest because its distance from all things is equal.
Approaching Gravity Theory!
Both air and earthare originally moist, but become drier because of the fire. I
Some inductive reasoning: P1 fire makes things dry and water makes things moist P2 All things are either in a state of moistness or dryness C Fire and Water probably work on each-other to create all things in the universe
12THE PRESOCRATICS AND THE SOPHISTSkind of cause or we will be more confident about the ones now beingdiscussed. (Aristotle, Metaphysics 1.3 983a26–b6; not in DK)5.(11A12) Of those who first pursued philosophy, the majority believedthat the only principles of all things are principles in the form ofmatter. For that of which all existing things are composed and thatfrom which they originally come to be and that into which they finally
This is seems to be laying the groundwork for Plato's world of forms. All things have a "soul" version of themselves.
hales also saidthat the earth rests or floats on water.
Thales was the OG Flat-Earther.
They are one and the same state.
Very similar to the argument that we've encountered multiple times in the class so far. Whether it be Clark Kent/Superman or the Morningstar/Eveningstar. Knowing two separate understanding of a phenomenon does not mean they are not one and the same.
elucidate
elucidate= make something clear