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quote: Donald Winnicott

• There is no such thing as a baby … if you set out to describe a baby, you will find you are describing a baby and someone.

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• what Winnicott says here is the essence of:
  • the Deep Humanity concepts of
    • the individual / collective gestalt and
    • human INTERbeCOMing,
  • the Buddhist concepts of:
    • emptiness,
    • non-duality in the human realm,
    • Indra's net of jewels in the human realm and
    • Thich Nhat Hahn's INTERbeing
  • complexity

"gestation rewires your brain in fundamental ways um you it rewire it primes you for caretaking as a as a mother in a way which is far more visceral and far it's it's pre-rational it's it's immensely transformative experience and it's permanent you know once you've been rewired for mummy brain you'd never really go back um and that from the point of view of raising a child that matters um because when after a baby is born it's you know as winnicott once said you know there's no such thing as a baby there's only a baby and someone there's a a baby doesn't exist as an independent entity until it's some years some years into its life arguably quite a few years into its life um and what I would say about artificial wounds is that you may be you may think that what you're doing is creating a baby without the misery of gestation but what you're doing in practice is creating a baby without creating a mother because a pregnancy doesn't just create a baby it also creates a mother"

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• This is alluding to our altricial nature, which makes us human INTERbeings from before birth
• https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&tag=altricial
• We are socially entangled even before our birth

• "“Protracted immaturity and dependence on paternal care
  • is not an unfortunate byproduct of our evolution
  • but instead a highly adaptive trait of our species,
  • which has enabled human infants to
    • efficiently organize attention to social agents and
    • learn efficiently from social output,”
• “The evolutionary goal of altricial species is
  • not to become highly competent as quickly as possible
  • but rather to excel at learning over time.”

• Michael Goldstein,
• Katerina Faust,
• Samantha Carouso-Peck
• Mary R. Elson

• forming a two-way system of feedback.

• infants of many species can change the behavior of their parents
• in ways that actively shape their own developments.

• "“Rather than requiring hard-wired, innate knowledge of social abilities, evolution has outsourced the necessary information to parents”
  • Authors
    • Michael Goldstein,
    • Katerina Faust,
    • Samantha Carouso-Peck
    • Mary R. Elson

• The Origins of Social Knowledge in Altricial Species,

• The Annual Review of Developmental Psychology, - -

• Dec, 2021

• Samantha Carouso-Peck and
• Mary R. Elson

https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=altricial

= feral - the opposite of altriciality when we are denied (cultural) education

• language
• empathy
• morality
• theory of mind

= altricial species

• humans
• other mammals
• birds

human babies require months or years of care

• what does the study of = feral children
• raised without = human culture
• tell us about how culture shapes our experience of reality?
• we are an = altricial species - but what happens when our natural parents are removed
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precociality_and_altriciality