theorists want deliberation for everyone, not for some particular representatives
I don't think I agree with that...
theorists want deliberation for everyone, not for some particular representatives
I don't think I agree with that...
enhancing autonomy means, in part, educating citizens to consider policy and broader political questions rather than leaving these things up to a specialized, technically informed elite.
making it seem like they gave the opportunity to have under represented individuals a chance to have an opinion but in reality they don't
Yet democratic theorists believe that deliberation makes democracy pregnant with two distinct but related offspring: increased autonomy and an expanded sense of community
author is going to debunk these associations with deliberation
Because the achievement of mutual respect is practically remote, democratic theorists should ask whether arguments on behalf of deliberation do anything to bring about the achievement of truly democratic, or indeed truly deliberative, discussions.
ask what is the purpose of deliberation and challenge if it actually works for what it's intended for
Perhaps a model of democratic discussion other than deliberation would attend more directly to these insidious problems
democratic discussion will include mutual respect and equality in both resources and representation
Deliberation requires not only equality in resources and the guarantee of equal opportunity to articulate persuasive arguments but also equality in "epistemological authority," in the capacity to evoke acknowledgement of one's arguments.
I agree
Americans are apparently less likely than others to be listened to
not really a public deliberation if not everyone is going to listen to everyone else
some Americans are more likely to be persuasive than others, that is, to be learned and practiced in making arguments that would be recognized by others as reasonable ones-no matter how worthy or true their presentations actually are.
relevant towards last essay
material prerequisites for deliberation are unequally distributed.
aka the prior knowledge of the issue
merican settings, at least as I have gathered them, show that what happens when American citizens talk to each other is often neither truly deliberative nor really democrati
i think it's because of what the author mentioned earlier of under-represented groups being over casted by those who know how to deliberate
depends on attention to particular facts about what happens when American citizens actually get together to deliberate.
reason to deliberate - who is this effecting?
women; racial minorities, especially Blacks; and poorer people.
aka the minority and underprivileged group
discrediting on seemingly democratic grounds the views of those who are less likely to present their arguments in ways that we recognize as characteristically deliberative
the author is suggesting that deliberation has a tone that conveys importance
f we assume that deliberation cannot proceed without the realization of mutual respect, and deliberation appears to be proceeding, we may even mistakenly decide that conditions of mutual respect have been achieved by deliberators
we mistaken people who know how to engage in deliberation as the voice for all when that's not the case
then, appear already to be deliberating, and, given the tight link between democracy and deliberation, appear already to be acting democratically.
not everyone has the same standing foot in preparing to argue or rationalize thoughts (contradictory of last essay recently read)
that appealing to deliberation, or taking it for granted as an appropriate democratic standard, may have a destructive effect
requesting deliberation can be destructive to democracy
appeals to deliberation do nothing to challenge an undesirable status quo.
requesting deliberation but not equally hearing what people have to say undervalues the purpose of deliberation
Foremost among these conditions is the achievement of mutual respect: citizens who deliberate must address each other as equals and acknowledge this status by offering reasonable, morally justifiable arguments to each other
often not met in deliberation
it carries conservative or antidemocratic connotations usually overlooked by well-intentioned theorists
not all people are equally represented
. I attempt to articulate some reasons why deliberation might not appeal to ordinary citizens, or at least not to many residents of the United States, at least not given the way we live now. And, correspondingly, I suggest that these observations provide some reasons why deliberation should not necessarily and automatically appeal to democratic theorists, either.
will further explain why deliberation is not useful in a democracy
the recommendation of deliberation is not, typically, justified by arguments, especially not substantive or empirical ones, that deliberative democracy is what ordinary citizens would themselves recommend.
what the people want
demos
a public meeting or march protesting against something or expressing views of political issues
one might simply be suspicious of the near consensus among democratic theorists on its behalf. It isn't clear, after all, that this wide endorsement has itself emerged through a genuinely deliberative process: democratic theorists are a select group who
democratic theorists are represented as the ordinary citizen, but who exactly is the author speaking of when referring to democratic theorist?
When democratic theorists suggest remodeling our politics, it is in the direction of making them more deliberative
more versatile for people to speak
Hence deliberation has become a standard for the accomplishment of democracy
democracy is in the interest of the public people so this makes sense
e suppositio
author does not believe in deliberation within democracy
proliferate,
multiply
deliberation is also clarifying and enlightening, highlighting the moral issues at stake in political debates and allowing citizens to elucidate these issues for themselves.
which I think is needed in a democracy
Deliberative democracy promises legitimate-that is, morally justifiable and rationally producedsolutions to vexing political problems.
expectation of deliberation seems to always be unmet because we can't cater to everyone's needs/desires in a democracy
osing deliberation seems irrational.1
author doesn't agree with public discourse that opens different views
I think this is a poor and misleading substitute for the notion of being reasonable. It is the madcelplace version of reasonableness in the deliberative forum. A compromise may be the best bargain one can strike. It is not necessarily a reasonable decision.
so what is a reasonable decision if it's not compromising?
I leave this highly controversial point without further treatmen
no resolution on how to fix issue
. It seems increasingly clear, also, that whenever a forum is taken over by "salesmanship" it becomes unfit for, the making of serious decisions-we dare not trust its results, and the real decisions need to be made elsewhere. When the wells of public discussion become poisoned it is necessary to draw water somewhere else
'salesmanship' ruins democracy
staff. It is also. I suggest, out of place between political colleagues-and that includes fellow citi.7.ens
use of persuasion and manipulation = not needed in political debate on public issues
s concern is with getting others to behave as the salesman wants them to.
getting others to persuade in their way of thinking
Any analysis of the qualities required of the citizen must take account of the fact that he is not a solitary decision maker but is one of a large number of persons manning a decision-making institutio
compromises are at root of democracy
Education
whether we realize it or not, we are taught in school how to be conscientious and how to questions aspects of life
sense of relevanc
why is this public issue relevant to the lives of the people living in it
the sense of validity
formulate why beliefs are valid beliefs that needs to be addressed publicly
We must cultivate a hospitable and hungry attitude toward the evidential fact
showing why the public issue is a public issue
the drive to clarify and focus.
understand what the public issue is
nfallibility.
the inability to be wrong
To be cognitively or intellectually responsible is to move some distance toward bridging the gap between merely having beliefs and having a right to our beliefs.
having beliefs vs acting on beliefs
It is, unfortunately, not the case that "everyone has a right to his opinion.,
introduction of inequality present in democracy
But essentially the position taken here is that in discharging his public function the citizen is being asked his judgment about the public interest, and that failure to discipline his private concerns is a failure in moral responsioility.
main takeaway
. But to recognize this only makes us aware of the difficulty of doing what our scheme of government requires that we do. It reminds us of the discipline which the office of the citi7.en requires
we judge public questions based on private interests, but we need to think outside ourselves in order to have a 'fair' functioning society, which thinking beyond ourselves is hard
ar-sightedness in one's pUISuit of self-interes
public = farsighted (I think)
The advantage of this position seems to be that it does not require that anyone act contrary to
no one can disagree (??)
"enlightened self-interest" is what one would want if he is wise, or far-sighted, or mature. or "social." On this view being "responsible" is acting in terms of these wider considerations
enlightened self-interest = individual interests also reflects the betterment of society self-interest: only interested in individual belief that does not serve the public
ut it is, nevertheless, an escape from the burdens of moral responsibility
self - interest lacks sense of public morality
The basic assumptions here are that there is a distinction between the public question and the private question, between the public interest and one's private interest, and that responsible action-i.e.,
no matter what, private questions will influence response of public questions
first problem of responsibility is to see this demand and to respond to i
publicly
With this in mind let us tum to a consideration of various aspects of responsibility involved in the office of the citizen.
asking these questions for the general public ensures your duties as a citizen
a public issue involves action by government. Such governmental action will of course impinge on private action in prohibiting or requiring that certain things be done. But the public question is always whether government shou]d do something
we raise public issues, government has to fix said issues
"practical" issues rather than "theoretical"
practical issues have action as the main drive to question
theoretical does not convey immediate action
public issue is an issue properly raised in a public forum an
public issue = usually rooted in the government
discharge that office responsibly
segway into talking of public issues that need to be addressed through public interest, not individualized
For the democratic citizen may, in his ruling capacity-as a voter, for example-unconsciously or deliberately confuse his private interest with the public interest of which he is the guardian. And he may through Jack of education or through preoccupation with his private pursuits fail to cultivate the cognitive and deliberate skills and disciplines needed in the public decision making process
i think what he's saying here is to not confuse personal private beliefs into public beliefs if it's not going to benefit all who would be affected in society
to develop the intellectual and deliberative disciplines needed to produce decisions and policies that will achieve the desired results
again, lack of diversity to make valid changes that will suit all people within society
Such a failure to constitute itself a proper guardian of the general welfare can, as a failure in
personal opinion = private institutions are individualized to better themselves and not the public, so in a aristocratic society, the richer will only get richer and the poorer will get poorer
aristocratic
highest class - those holding title/office
ut perhaps we do need to be reminded that one of the chief tasks of public education is to prepare us for the adequate discharge of our public office
purpose of public education = equal access to be apart of democracy
The citizen has yet-if democracy is not wasted on him-to play his public role, to discharge the duties of his public office, to act like and to be a ruler, to take his place in the deliberative forum
some people choose to keep their voice/opinion on democracy private when they could be using it to advocate for the democracy
His private scope is of course limited by � external necessities of group life, by th e rules of the road. by the law of the land-which we accept more or less as a matter of course i f they sat
emphasizes that both public and private interests are equally important in democracy
.lt is this dual status-private person and public official-that m akes the theory and the practice of democratic life so difficult and demandin
I think he's saying this both literally (institutions) and figuratively (stance in society) in terms of creating a democracy
By this we do not mean that everyone can do whatever he pleases. We mean that the same person who finds himself a "subject" of a system of government and law is also, in another capacity and at the proper time and place, a sharer in the making of the law and in the process of governing.
author suggests in democracy as doing for society not just individual interest
To be a member is to be both a subject and a rule
subject = apart of democracy
ruler = voicing opinion on how government should be run for our democracy
that fear is still our danger.
what fear does he speak of? (open ended question)
Finally, it is possible, with reference to the forum and the m ar ket.place, to express both the hopes and the fears of students of society who saw the rise of popular democracy in the 19th century. The hope was that the masses of men could be given through public education, the habits and attitudes needed for the successful operation of the deh'berative forum-to which, by the extension of suffmge, they were being admitted. The fear was that the deliberative forum-rational government-would be swamped a
4th observation: seeing that such institutions can make or break a democracy and recognizing those aspects
Third, there has, historically, been considerable conflict about the relative status of these two
third observation: status between two institution
interest of the public or not
e. In this world we are producers an d consumers, sellea and customers; and most of us have at least one foot in this world. Much of our culture, our habits and attitudes, can hardly be undeatood without an appreciation of the pervasive influence of the
in answering my question, I think the marketplace does refer to how we voice our opinion about the government --- THROUGH institutions
they coexist only in an uneasy truc
uneasy agreement
Second, there may be considerable "incompatibility .. between these two sets of attitudes and skills. That is, they may tend to weaken and destroy each othe
second observation
bargajning are two different processes. Statesmanship and salesmanship are distinct professions. The art of making decisions is not identical with the art of bargaining
in what ways does this relate to democracy and the government? (open ended question)
the attitude and skills presupposed and needed for the successful operation of each are
speaking of private vs public businesses (??)
a few observatio
4 observations
forum and the marketplac
forum: a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and values on a particular issue can be exchanged
marketplace: (in this context); how such values are exchanged within forum
-the marketplac
is the marketplace referring how we persuade others to think/agree with our view of government?
However much our practice falls short the conception of the deliberative forum remains as ou
since we have freedom in speech and freedom to overthrow government we see unfit, we constantly look for things to criticize within the government which is why we can never fully agree on how the government should be
t is a spectacle of disciplined human beings reasoning independ
both independent reasoning and public reasoning when deciding on good government (??)
when we think of government. we are likely to conjure up the conception of a dignified, deliberate forum or assembly-a senate. a jury. a constitutional convention (which looms large in our folldore}--agroup of select.eel, qualified persons facing together a common problem.arriving at a common decision. We see them, if they are successful, clarifying the issues before them by a process of ordered. reasonable discussion. marshalling experience and evidence. speaking freely and fearlessly, responsible in partisanship, objective in judgmenL
when we think of government, we think of higher ups and not individualized societies
combines. or confuses~. two different sets of ideas and activities.
either agree or disagree how society should be run
Tussman reminds us that membership in a democratic society provides each citizen the opportunity to p'Ja:y a public deUberatwe role wilh regard to pubUc issuu. That large numbers of citizens take. part in these deUberation.r would seem critical. Moreover, argues Tu.ssman, one <f the most important goals of pubUc education is to prepare people to occupy the "public olficen of citizen
argument/point of essay
They do not just hide the vast positives, but they also hide the fact that governmental control, control over our daily lives, is more private than public.
very true - they're focusing too much on governmental control whether than democracy
Public life depends upon recognition of our equal humanity.
America lacks this though
We must end the move to "privatize" institutions through which we meet our shared responsibilities.
no private government
We must put the American individual above abstract corporate entities
business can't override others voice
We need a progressive tax system through which all Americans pay their fair share and a business ethics that fairly rewards those whose work creates productivity and profit
opposed of flat tax that Goldwater suggested
We must protect the prior earnings of American workers set aside in Social Security or private pensions.
life insurance ensures protection if something happens to the person
Health is not a private matter. It is public one
again 100% agree
Government that works for all of us can and should create jobs that serve us all by rebuilding our shared necessities.
more job opportunities and more infrastructure = win win for country and people
Our children are tomorrow's public. The future of democracy depends upon them
all children should have access to education regardless of economic status - something that conservatives don't agree with
We, the public, can put our nation's vast wealth to use in creating jobs that make the lives of all better: building, educating, curing, and imagining. That is the Dream
100% agree
We must return the public to our political system and end the corrupt influence of selfish interests that have abandoned our shared responsibilities.
think of ways to better the country, not just the individual
The recommendations below are special cases of these moral principles. They also represent a special case of a general strategy -- to restore public life to American democracy.
showing how a democracy is a democracy in the interest of the people through mutual trust
Rather than simply defend government or government programs, we must positively advance the moral values of American democracy and the Dream, not the Nightmare.
don't defend government, defend the people who seek trust within their government
The traditional view of American democracy sees government as embodying these moral goals, to protect and empower everyone equally
well the American government doesn't do the greatest job doing that I must admit
If you are concerned about your life being controlled for the benefit of others, look to the private sphere.
If we didn't have a public government, our country would be very chaotic and messy
There is a distinction between government as the administration of what we, as a public, provide each other, as opposed to government control.
I agree
Our arguments often sound like an abstract defense of distant "government" rather than a celebration of our people, our public, and the moral views that have defined our tradition and the real human beings who work every day to carry them out
notion of admitting one's wrong doing = more inclined to side with progressives = technique
Republicans know their job is to activate the conservative part of the brains of the biconceptuals, and they do that by sticking strictly to conservative moral principles and a clear conservative strategy. They never make the mistake of ignoring biconceptuals.
I even caught myself doing this when reading Goldwater's essay knowing I am more liberal than conservative
democracy" of no care, no shared responsibility, and no trust has produced
this is considered the American Dream for conservatives - interesting binary
f America accepts this radical view of "democracy," then all that we have given each other in the past under traditional democracy will be lost: all that we have called public. Public roads and bridges: gone. Public schools: gone. Publicly funded police and firemen: gone. Safe food, air, and water: gone. Public health: gone. Everything that made America America, the crucial things that you and your family and your friends have taken for granted: gone
I agree with this statement, but I do think all of these areas of life can be better for the people (us)
We come together to protect the institutions of democracy to guarantee that all who share in these responsibilities have an equal voice in deciding how they will be met.
very different from conservative view (Goldwater)
a free people can take up the necessary tasks
according the Goldwater, this isn't considered free
The American Dream is built upon mutual care and trust.
with the people and the government
That is what we, as a people who care about each other, have given to each other.
in relation to Goldwater's ideas of conservatism, this shouldn't be in the hands of the government but in terms of democracy it is the hands of the government with the peoples best interest
American Dream, is the dream of a functioning democracy.
this is what we want democracy to look like, hence it's called the American Dream
sovereignty
supreme power - individualized
audiences willunderstand that there are other ways of talking and thinking about fat than those which havebeen dominant in recent years
public purpose of dancing the question
“But is it healthy?”
addresses the idea that fatness does not equate to health/unhealthy
I have found other ways of speaking about this subject.
which disproves some biases circulating fatness
The language of fat activism, frequently raw and emotive when people talk about being objects ofhate, is being appropriated and gentrified by academics and professionals, tidied up and maderespectable, while ousting the originators.
defining fatness in their own terms/definitions
Source of power
i love how she used wings to define fat arms :)
A person who is better-looking, healthier, more intelligent, more likely tosucceed in life, sexier, more lovable and better to be with than any fat person
how society defines thinness
Fathlete
fatness is not always associated with unhealthy/malnutritious
An obsession.
eating disorder
Alliteration
real definition ; the occurrence of the same letter or sound at the beginning of adjacent or closely connected words
Maybe they do this because fat is intrinsicallyfunny to write about, not like serious stories or hard news.
Writing about fatness humurously is kind of tone deaf (in my opinion), but author did mention that being a fat-activist can serve many purposes for many different reasons
But the view from the marginsilluminates a lot about the shadow side of conformity, norms, and fears concerning embodimentand difference, and how these are manipulated for power and profit.
Feminism in fatness = owning the power of fatness through these stereotypes and making them your own empowering identitiy
Debates about the NHS, and fat people being held responsiblefor funding crises, are just one area in which fat is a political subject. The social hatred andscapegoating of fat people can also be seen as political
I don't understand why fatness is seen as political concern when it's not an aspect of politics (in my opinion)
apolitical
not involved in politics
This is simple and descriptive and it feels powerful toreclaim a word that is frequently used pejoratively.
Reason why author prefers to be referenced as fat - it's simple, broad, and powerful since people see the term fat as negative
disapproving looks and disgusted sounds
All the words just mentioned give different connotations/feelings when trying to describe fatness
“the obese”
In what ways does the term 'obese' have a negative connotation? When I think of obesity, I think of people who overeat and as a result become fat, but this is what serves as negative (single sided thought)
I like to call myself and be called fat
right off the rip, this reminds me of how black people prefer to be called black instead of African American (simply because not all black people are African) and I think it's the same idea with fatness - not everyone is unhealthily heavy set so I think the term 'fat' is more simplified to fit those who fit the spectrum of fatness
deral lawmakers should fully restore Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.Furthermore, they should enact new laws to p
how this needs to be fixed
However, despitelegal and policy advancements that have extended the right to vote, the United Statescontinues to conjure the ghosts o
purpose of article
ying to underminethe asylum process for women of color eeing domestic violence. While such a threatis racist, xenophob
in this article, the author does a nice job on really laying the timeline out to really show how real and prevalent this is
s are eerily similar to the poll tax system pioneered by the state 130 yearsearlier. Like those of the Jim
multiple ways/reason to take racial voting equality away
ates were permitted tothrow eligible Americans o their vo
so people lost voting rights because they didn't continuously vote (???)
st and incarceration,magnifying the e ects of felony disenfranchisement nationwide. For democracy towork, citizens—including those who have made past mistakes, paid their debt tosociety, and now lea
that's what a democracy is
ddresses so that every eligible citizen would be able to cast a balloton election day. Today, in this new era of voter suppressi
what is the motive of white people of making equal voting rights so hard
lack citizens exceeded that of whitecitizens for the rst time in American history. But this was quickly followed by twodevastating U.S. Supreme Court rulings that eliminated core voting rights protectionsand threatened to undo decades of progress toward a vibrant democracy. Theserulings, combined with the continued existence of decades-old voter suppression anddisenfranc
arising racial inequality within freedom of speech
g out the roots of structural racism inAmerican democracy. Across the country, federal and state lawmakers continued toattempt to curtail voting rights among communities of color
crazy how racial inequality is still a posing issue in this country
But the VRA did not f
i agree
is greaterthan 10,000 or constitutes more than 5 percent of all voting-age citizens. This helpedexpand access to the ballot box for countless Asian American, Latinx, and NativeAmerican voters with LEP. These amendments we
2nd mention of stepping democracy forward
at all Americans couldexercise the fundamental right to vote. Among other things, the VRA prohibited anypractice or procedure that denied or limited a citizen’s right to vote because of theirrace, color, or membership to a language minority group. One of the most criticalprovision was Section 5, which prevented jurisdictions with an established history ofdiscriminatory anti-minority election practices from enacting unfair voting policies.Under Section 5, these jurisdictions were required to seek permission from the U.S.Department of Justice or a federal c
with these changes though, we still struggle with racial equality
aled in 1943, 3.4 million otherwise eligible Americans living inU.S. territories—namely Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Northern
needs to be addressed and fixed
In the West, U.S. states routinely adopted
went against 15th amendment
come and illiterate—
white privilege
idents by making vagrancy illegal and prohibited people with convictions fromvoting.
the issue of second-class citizenship
became more diverse, andincreased attention was given to expanding voting rights, the systematic exclusion ofpeople of color from electoral participation helped ensure th
still needs to be changed though - we can't just accept this
his report examines how lawmakers continue to protect discriminatory
what this article will further discuss
s who were legally permittedto vote rarely exercised this right for fear of retribution. In 1857, the infamous U.S.Supreme Court decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford ruled that no Black person couldbecome a citizen of the United States and thus had no protections to exercise their rightto vote. By 1865, virtually all white men were permitted to vote in pre
history of voting rights before 15th amendment ( i believe it's the 15th)
olicies andenact new awed ones that preserve barriers to voting for people of color. Promotingfull participation, therefore, will require intentional public policy e
in order for everyone to experience and have equality, it requires that everyone comes together to highlight the importance of equality
ry’s laws andpublic policies, which should serve as the sca olding that guides prog
i agree
inciples embrace the ideals offreedom and equality, but it is a natio
finally this point of view is mentioned
It is inherently and distressingly messy and contentious, and people are permitted loudly and irritatingly to voice opinions that are clearly erroneous and even dangerous
why some of his ideas can't work
in practice it has proven to be incapable of delivering certain kinds of social and economic equality
democracy can't cater to all forms of equality
ome cater to the desire for security, certainty, and community, and they seductively proclaim the existence of a general will supplied by God, by temporal authority, or by a cosmic populist sense, thus relieving individuals of the task of determining their own self-interest in matters of governance
conservatism
little to say about some of the great philosophical issues like what is truth
liberals don't think philosophically
but also that it was superior to the competition
competition of both other party and people
it did not necessarily deliver the government into the hands of mobs, incompetents, and demagogues; it can function with real, flawed human beings; it does not characteristicall y lead to persecution of the rich and other minorities; it does not precipitate a vast social leveling; it can be a rather effective method for choosing and reviewing leaders and for keeping them alert and responsive; and it creates a style of life that is entirely bearable, even admirable at times
point of argument
Thus, in practice democracy proved not necessarily to be destructive of aristocratic dominance because voters tended to support many of the same patricians who would have been in office if unalloyed monarchy had still been the order of the day.
so is he saying mobs are useless in terms of throwing unwanted government?
complain
the better the leader the more responsive the government will get
Nevertheless, the democratic process seems not only to have kept governments more or less alert and responsive but for the most part it has tended to select good-or pretty good-leaders
so how is this better than election polls in terms of equality and inequality? did I miss something here because it seems like it's the same concept without the use of ballots and polls
They may be wily about demagogues, but it could certainly be anticipated that they would tend to promote fellow mediocrities to run things.
more willing to join mobs (??)
people do not seem to be all that moved by questions of civil liberties, whether the issue is expanding or suppressing them.
i think given our times, that's not true
Ty rann
oppressive of government/rule
Moreover, some people are so stupid that they will never get it right: you can fool "some of the people all the time.
this was trumps tactic i think
because ordinary people are clearly incompetent to judge grand issues and to choose leaders: their choices will be based on their selfish, shortsighted interests rather than on an informed concern for the general welfare.
this kind of goes against what the author wants to prove
Demagogue
political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument
people do not act randomly but rather apply common sense and arithmetic
agree to disagree
Relatedly, they will be selfish-guided more reliably by their own interests than by perceptions of the general good.
we are very individual-centered creature...we never think beyond ourselves imo
In other words, they will tend to pursue concerns that matter to them personally rather than ones that other people think should matter to them.
true
certainly less tiring, to work with human imperfections rather than to seek zealously to reform the race into impossible perfection.
I again agree
In a democracy, people do not need to be good or noble, but merely to calculate their own best interests, and, if so moved, to express them.
I agree
eventual failure
so in what way is having all voices heard lead us to success without having crashing ideas override the other
general interest:
'general interest' = rich white people
If Kennedy were right, democracy would be impossible
i think displaying all interests as a country would be impossible... I think we would be stuck on the same issues consistently, but I see the argument as valid
he propertied have been able to hang on to many of their assets and have not felt it necessary to flee. 8
if democracy was ran like how the author was describing, they wouldn't have fled from democracy (I think that's what they're saying)
heir money and status can be parlayed into substantial political influence
in every aspect they would be the top priority voice - we as a country glorify education and degrees but not everyone has equal access to such education and degrees
the political impact of a single vote is so small that
but it's not just one single vote that is in the ballot
Elections do have something of an equalizing effect because the cost of this form of political expression is much the same for everybody.
15th amendment
The costs of opposition and petition are not equal because some people have more time, money, or relevant skills than others.
which will have their advantage on making their voice heard
people are different and thus unequal
but their values should be equally heard
explore, develop, and express their differences
they can't explore and develop political aspects when their voices weren't heard from the very beginning...education is not the only factor of political interference
One is free to try to increase one's political importance by working in politics or by supplying money in appropriate places, or one can reduce it by succumbing to apathy and neglecting even to vote
this is not as easy as it reads in our given society
a democracy would be ruled by "a natural aristocracy" based on "virtue and talents"
'virtue of talents' aka race and economic status
A store clerk has the same weight in an election as the head of a big corporation or a columnist for the Washington Post, but it would be absurd to suggest they are remotely equal in their ability to affect and influence government policy.
but why though? why do we think like this if we are supposed to be considered free? why does one voice overpower another?
people are free, they are, as far as democracy is concerned, politically equal as well.
only if all people's voices were equally shared and not ridiculed
political equality is something that evolves without much further ado when people are free-it is subsumed by, dependent upon, and indistinguishable from, liberty.
but not everyone has the same privilege of being as free as to others
"Equality is simply insistence that liberty be democratic, not the privilege of a class"
In modern practice, we still need to work on equality of all not some
monarchs they spend their day variously making proclamations, polishing the plate, receiving deputations, and running little errands for the ministers of stat
unshared of equality = hypocrisy of democracy
importance of elections, one is almost automatically forced to consider the scope of suffrage, and one can be led in absurd consequence to conclude that, because of the exclusion of women and other adults from the electorate, democracy did not exist before this century anywhere in the world
choosing one side or the other without fully using your first amendment disregards the idea of a democracy
What is unnatural is to try to stop people from complaining. This requires a lot of work: thought police and informers and dossiers and organized social pressure.
I believe the author is implying that voting can stop the natural occurrence of using your freedom of speech by picking someone who is liberal or conservative
restrains the government from restricting their ability to do so. The framers were well aware that complaint and pressure would emerge naturally, without any encouragement from the government
the framers assumed that democracy was going to stem outside of political barriers
They will just do it
I agree
But the essential interaction between government and citizenry would take place without elections if the right of petition is viable and if people have the right to devise methods to pressure officials.
election polls can be used against government because of how left and right political parties are (I assume moderates would prefer this method of voicing opinion on government -- freedom of speech and press)
because they extend participation to those who only care enough about what is going on to meander to the polls every few years to pull a few levers or make a few X'
not everyone votes, but the ones who don't vote still wants their voice to be heard in other ways
democracy-government that is necessarily responsive-takes effect when people agree not to use violence to overthrow the government and when the government leaves them free to criticize, to pressure, and to try to replace it by any other means.
freedom of speech usage with or without election polls
that is, it will necessarily become responsive whether there are elections or not
people are going to voice their concerns whether political election polls are up or not
emphasize elections as a device to make this responsiveness happe
political equality
democracy is routinely, necessarily responsive: because people are free to develop and use peaceful methods to criticize, pressure, and replace the leadership, the leaders must pay attention.
his definition or the definition he is going to debunk
. It actually worked rather well: it did not require an absurd leveling; it mostly eschewed demagogues; and in general it managed, somehow, to select leaders who were often rather capable.
we tend to overcomplicate democracy when it doesn't have to be
article concludes by briefly contrasting democracy with its competitors
abstract describes layout of argument
third, it suggests that one of democracy's great strengths is that it does not demand much of people and that it can function quite well with the minimal human being
third argument to explain democracy growth
Second, it holds that democracy has been able to become established and accepted because, despite the assertions of many of its advocates, in practice it has little to do with political equality-indeed, effectively it relies on, and celebrates, political inequality.
second argument to explain democracy growth
first, that democracy is really quite a simple idea, that it can come into existence quite naturally, and that even elections are not necessary for it to take effect.
first argument to explain democracy growth