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for - search - Google - android app "The Voice" translates images into audio signal - from - webcast - Michael Levin - Can we create new senses for humans? - interview - David Eagleman - https://hyp.is/BHS6up09Ee-1qefERFpeQg/www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCvFgrpfNGM - to - Medium - article Translating vision into sound. A deep learning perspective - Viktor Toth - April 2019 - https://hyp.is/lQL4Yp1MEe-66-dpgenOBA/medium.com/mindsoft/translating-vision-into-sound-443b7e01eced
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for - interview - Michael Levin - Dennis Noble D 4 min Hodgkin cycle ion channels and global properties of cell voltage work together - multi level approach
Heart organ constrains molecular level functions
Neo Darwinism is not a good model Dna cannot self replicate itself like a crystal as Schroedinger thought, it needs a cell to do it
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D Many viruses have introduced properties into our germ line
Have to take into account epigenetic inheritance
Fluorescent labels to identify molecules in vesicles to identify which molecules are passed down to the germ line
There are millions of potential molecules but the fluorescence technique can only follow 4 or 5 if these
M ? What is your guess of % of genetic Vs epi-genetic contribution to germ line?
D Difficult to say Epigenetic must contribute large fraction to cell differentiation Digital information - from 3 billion DNA base pairs Analog information - exceeds DNA base pairs
Paddington - introduced the term epigenetic in the 50s
Exercising tells cells to grow more proteins It's ubiquitous
Life is the creator of life Life can alter DNA all the time - ie immune system is doing it all the time Life can alter what it's physiologically doing Life does have purpose /intention Many standard texts rule out of court certain ideas is.Lamark is disallowed Lamark and Darwin did not disagree
John Maynard Smith, an engineer by trade wrote The Theory of Evolution to teach himself evolution
He never accepted Wiseman Barrier Evolution textbooks need to be rewritten
M? What off the one thing that needs to change?
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Simply let the stress be leaky so if the cell out here that's that's stressed out all it has to do is release some of that some of those stress molecules in this case like literally molecules that are that serve as signals of how systemic level stress and the cells around it now they're stressed out and they're it's it's not that they're altruistic it's just that um their plasticity goes up where they start to move around and to be a little more willing to do new things then the cell gets to where it's going then everybody's stress drops
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I have some some some colleagues who um kind of think about the Buddhist tradition a lot and we we think about this idea of like what what what does it mean to commit to enlarging your cognitive lyone in particular um with respect to this notion of compassion
for - adjacency - cognitive light cone - affective light cone? - bodhisattva - bodhicitta - compassion - Michael Levin
adjacency - between - cognitive light cone - bodhicitta - bodhisattva - compassion - adjacency relationship - Michael Levin's colleagues have spoken about the Buddhist concept of bodhicitta and compassion, and he interprets this from the perspective of expansion of the cognitive light cone provocation - We know that there is a close connection between cognitive and affective so perhaps the terminology should reflect that? - Living organisms will always have problems expanding their light cones too far because nature is designed to eat itself - Hence in order to survive, we must commit the most uncompassion act (from the perspective of the organism we are eating)
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a set of policies and mechanisms that allow competent subunits to form together into some kind of a an emergent Collective that's more than the sum of its parts
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definition - cognitive glue - Michael Levin - a set of policies and mechanisms that allow competent subunits to form together into some kind of an emergent Collective that's more than the sum of its parts
Adjacency - between - cognitive glue - multi scale competency architecture - human species - Jordan Hall - cognitive glue destresses goal seeking activities - adjacency relationship - Cognitive glue is a general concept that applies to the entire spectrum of the biosphere - Michael goes on to give examples with rats and other biological contexts like cells - This is an important question for humans at two levels: - first, at the level of the individual human - second, at the level of human groups - Jordan Hall brings the conversation to the cognitive glue at the human social level in which - anyone who has worked in a group context knows that when there is a flow, there is signaling taking place - that is at a higher group level not present at the level of the individual that destresses goal seeking activity
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Humanity in general is to develop tools to identify detect and communicate with all kinds of intelligences and very unconventional embodiments that we are not good at
for - proposal - future conversations - Earth Species Project & Michael Levin could be a good future conversation!
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Ben lions in particular uh is uh someone who's who's been pointing out this so so he and I are actually um writing a paper on um the price system as a kind of cognitive glue
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what would happen if I begin to self-referentially and try to embody a part of a collective intelligence including the three of us in such a fashion that we were actually leveraging that qualitatively distinct um mind to inform the conversation we're having to get us there
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what would it look like to put together an engineering program or an experimental program um orienting towards the question of what would be the form of embodiment in collective intelligence that includes human beings as at least one primary element at ontological level one that would give rise to a collective intelligence at ontological level two
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most creatures uh have this creative problem solving where the step one is to figure out what affordances do I have and and how do I put myself together into a some kind of a coherent organism and and survive and do other interesting things and this is why we can have xenobots and anthr robots and uh things that have never existed on Earth before but have novel coherent behaviors and morphologies
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one of the things we study is the incredible plasticity of Life the fact that we can take living things and you know I can put a we can we can put a an eye on the tail of a taple instead of in their in their head and those animals can see perfectly well
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I don't think you can prove it but I wonder if what what it would feel like I think is is um synchronicity
for - topic for further research - higher level of living system - indicator of - Micheal Levin - synchronicity
Adjacency - between - Jordan Hall / Michael Levin conversation - hyperobject - cognitive light cone - lower level indicator of higher level - enlightenment / awakening Frederico Faggin experience - meditation - adjacency statement - Federico Faggin's experience of inter level awareness was - his profound awakening experience transcending even oneness - That was an indicator event that shattered his belief that he was alone, shuttered in existential isolation - and showed him that he was a part of a much larger system - In general, at the level of humans and human consciousness, - awakening and enlightenment experiences described throughout human history in many different - times and - places - could be interpreted as reaching upwards to a higher level in our lower level cognitive light cone
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do you think that this idea of the hyper object might relate to um how an individual cell relates to the whole of the body because the body itself would be outside the cognitive light cone of the cell
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- adjacency -Jordan Hall / Michael Levin conversation - hyperobject - cognitive light cone - lower level indicator of higher level - enlightenment /awakening - Frederico Faggin experience - meditation
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So there has to be a reality, deeper reality, out of which these spacetime reality that we call reality emerges. So so therefore the model to think of the model in your following way, consciousness is a quantum field.
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quote - consciousness - model of - as a quantum field - Federico Faggin - (see below) - Think of the body as a structure in space and time - It is both - classical - cells are made of particles, atoms and molecules that interact quantumly in space and time - AND fields - The body is a bridge between consciousness and the classical (objective spacetime) world - The body reports to the conscious field - and creates quantum states inside the cell
potential future dialogue - Michael Levin and Federico Faggin - To unpack quantum states at cellular or subcellular level, it would be good to see a dialogue between Michael Levin and Federico Faggin
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I'm building towards an argument here because I think that Maps into something that goes with your butterfly that human beings do and this is La Paul and transformative experience human beings go through these profound changes and right and so she gives she does the gunan experiment of people offering to turn you into a vampire which is very much like your butterfly example
for - participatory knowing - perspectival knowing - caterpillar butterfly transformation - Gunan experiment - vampire transformation - John Vervaeke - Michael Levin
insight - adjacency - caterpillar butterfly transformation - human transformation - John provides a nice adjacency / insight here, comparing human transformation as similar in kind and different by degree to Levin's caterpillar butterfly transformation - In Indyweb terminology, we are constantly creating new selves and leaving trails of our old selves behind, all to be recorded in our mindplex - This is none other than the teachings of many ancient spiritual traditions which hold that the human being is a constantly changing process, not a static thing
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I want to start with that idea of kind of a bidirectional Conformity that it's not only the mind is conforming to the world but the world is conforming to the mind of course you might get tired of me doing this this is a neoplatonic claim right and this is the idea this is this is this is sort of the central idea behind what I call participatory knowing
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what we do is we use language we squeeze it down to a to a simple low bandwidth message you will have to re-expand and and reinterpret that message
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what you are constantly doing is reconstructing yourself and your memories to make them applicable in the new you know in the new scenario
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adjacency - between - caterpillar butterfly story - Michael Levin - Indyweb dev - conversations with old self - evolutionary learning - adjacency relationship - In relating the caterpillar / butterfly story, Levin is using an extreme example of transformation, that happens to all living beings, including human beings - Levin talks about how the particulars of the old caterpillar engram are meaningless to its new form, the butterfly - The experiments he cites demonstrate that the old engram is re-interpreted from the new butterfly perspective - In a similar but less dramatic way, all of us learn new things every day, and we are constantly rehashing old memories - The Indyweb informational ecosystem that is being developed is based on a framework of evolutionary learning, that is - Our network of meaning is constantly in flux and our associative network of ideas is continuously changing and evolving - The Indyweb is designed to record our evolutionary learning journey and to serve as an external record of salient private ideas that emerge from it. The present interpretation of old engrams is referred to as "having conversations with our old selves"
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the caterpillar learned all this stuff it gets squeezed down into some sort of sort of molecular substrate and then re-expanded or remapped onto the onto the butterfly that that squeezing is so so so two just two quick things about that one is that this this squeezing and expanding thing is everywhere
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adjacency - between - sqeezing and expanding - Michael Levin - John Vervaeke - Indyweb - lebenswelt - multi-meaningverse - coding / decoding - salience mismatch - symmathesetic fingerprint - adjacency relationship - In the Indyweb epistemology, we have identified an intrinsic limitation of symbolic communication due to - encoding of the transmitter from the transmitter's unique - lebenswelt and - meaningverse and - decoding of the transmitter's message from the receiver's unique - lebenswelt and - meaningverse - The same symbols are referenced to two different lebenswelt / meaningverse's - The semantic (symmathesetic) fingerprints of the transmitter and receivers vocabulary are all different - This can result in misinterpretation, what we term as salience mismatch
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amazon prime castle rock which is based on the work of stephen king
for - comparison - Amazon Prime - Castle Rock - Stephen King - compared to - Michael Levin caterpillar to butterfly metamorphosis - adjacency - universal - vs localized consciousness - empathy - Michael Levin - caterpillar to butterfly
adjacency - between - Stephen King movie "castle rock" - universal consciousness - localized, individual consckousness - empathy - adjacency relationship - Bernardo compares the Stephen King movie series "Castle Rock" with ghostly beings taking over the identify of an existing physical body. - Universal consciousness is in all of us - but we strongly identify with the localized consciousness - In Michael Levin's caterpillar to butterfly process, - the living being has memories of a caterpillar but what happens when it becomes a butterfly? Those memories don't confer any meaning to the butterfly - But beneath both the butterfly and the caterpillar, the universal consciousness is at the ground layer - When we experience others as ourselves, because we have the same universal consciouness, - then we can truly enact empathy as an expression of recognition
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an engram is just a it's a it's a physical embodiment of a memory
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what's preserved across lifetimes from from that caterpillar to that butterfly is not the f it of the information it's the it's a kind of um inferred salience
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Josh bongard and I have been developing this notion of polyc computing which is this idea that basically every subcomponent is hacking every other subcomponent
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how do you know if, if, and when you are part of a larger cognitive system, right?
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question - how do you know when you are part of a larger cognitive system? - answer - adjacency - synchronicity - lower level example - two neurons talking to each other - Michael Levin - Mark Solms foundation theory of affect
adjacency - between - answer - synchronicity - lower level example - two neurons talking to each other - Michael Levin - Mark Solms foundational theory of affect - adjacency relationship - This is a very interesting question and Michael Levin provides a very interesting answer - First, it is very interesting that Mark Solms points out that affect is foundational to cognition - This is evident once we begin to think of the fundamental goals of any individual of any species is to optimize survival - The positive or negative affects that we feel are a feedback signal that measures how successful we are in our efforts to survive - Hence, it is more accurate to ask: - How do you know if and when you are part of a larger affective-cognitive system? - Levin illustrates the multi-level nature of simultaneous consciousness by looking at two neurons "in dialogue" with each other, and potentially speculating about a "higher level of consciousness", which is in fact, the level you and I operate at and take for granted - This speculative question is very important for it also can be generalized to the next layer up, - Do collectives of humans, each one experiencing itself a unified, cohesive inner perspective, constitute a higher level "collective consciousness"? - If we humans experience feelings and thinking whilst we have a well defined physical body, then - what does a society feel and think whilst not having such a well defined physical body?
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I have no idea. But what I do know is that it's not a, um, this is not a philosophical, uh, thing that we can decide arguing in an armchair. Yes, it is. No, it isn't. No, you have to do experiments and then you find out.
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Does the world have agency?
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I see it as much more fluid and I see the boundary between self and world as something that can change all the time.
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self / other dualism - fluidity of - examples - Michael Levin - The self and its consciousness changes for a human INTERbeCOMing throughout its life: - during development as an embryo - cancer - metamorphosis
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we do feel at least most of us, most of the time feel like some kind of unified, centralized inner perspective
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adjacency - between - self - as unified, centralized inner perspective - multi-scale competency architecture - self actualization - Buddhist practice - illusory body - illusory self - enlightenment - awakening - adjacency relationship - Indeed, from both the mundane and the spiritual, religious perspective, the unified self as a fundamental assumption - "self-development" and "self-actualization" are terms that are only meaningful if there is a unified self - Is the Buddhist ideas of - awakening - enlightenment and \ - penetrating the illusion of self - based on a kind of experiencing of the multi-scale competency architecture itself? - What does "spiritual awakening" mean in the context of multi-scale competency architecture? - For instance, WHO is it that actually awakens? - Is it consciousness from the SAME level, a lower level or ALL levels of the multi-scale competency architecture that a multi-cellular conscious, sentient being such as a human INTERbeCOMing? - If it includes consciousness from lower levels, then it may be billions or trillions of cellular consciousnesses that are awakening to the higher order consciousness it composes!
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“Cells may not know civilization is possible.
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- Cells may not know civilization is possible.
- They don’t amass as many units as they can sign up to be the same.
- No — they grow until
- they split,
- complexify.
- Then they interact and intersect and discover their purpose
- I am a lung cell!
- I am a tongue cell!
- and they serve it. And they die.
- And what emerges from these cycles are
- complex organisms,
- systems,
- movements,
- societies.
adjacency - between - Adrienne Maree Brown quote - Michael Levin - adjacency statement - Adrienne's quote is the subsumed under Levin's term of multi-scale competency architecture (MSCA)
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science has transformed our understanding of time.
- It’s not an exaggeration to say that
- science has transformed our understanding of time.
- But as well in conjunction with this
- it has transformed- the concept of who we are.
- From biology we have learned that
- there is no such thing as race,
- we are all fundamentally one species
- (with contributions from a few other sister species, Denisovans and Neanderthals).
- And from physics we can say that
- we are literally the space dust of the cosmos
- experiencing itself in human form.
- we are literally the space dust of the cosmos
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adjacency - between - deep time - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - social superorganism - complexity - major evolutionary transition - complexity - adjacency statement - Deep time narrative has potential for unifying polarised worldviews - but citing purely scientific evidence risks excluding and alienating large percentage of people who have a predominantly religious worldview - Language, the symbolosphere is the foundation that has made discourse in both religion and science possible - Due to its fundamental role, starting with language could be even more unifying than beginning with science, - as there are large cultural groups that - do not prioritize the scientific worldview and narrative, but - prefer a religious one.<br /> - Having said that, multi-scale competency architecture, - a concept introduced by Michael Levin - encapsulates the deep time approach in each human being, - which withing Deep Humanity praxis we call "human INTERbeCOMing" to represent our fundamental nature as a process, not a static entity - Each human INTERbeCOMing encapsulates deep time, and is - an embodiment of multiple stages of major evolutionary transitions in deep time - both an individual and multiple collectives - what we can in Deep Humanity praxis the individual / collective gestalt
- It’s not an exaggeration to say that
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for - adjacency - microscopic biology - macroscopic ecology - multi-scale competency architecture - Michael Levin - Jonas Wickman - micro-to-macro
paper details - title - Eco-evolutionary emergence of macroecological scaling in plankton communities - author - Jonas Wickman - Elena Litchman - date - feb 15, 2024 - publication - Science VOL. 383, NO. 6684
reference - https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk6901
summary - This is a very interesting finding that links rules in the micro world to behavior in the macro. - It is relevant to Michael Levin's research on multi-scale competency architecture
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Dubbed “litigation terrorism” by Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel prize-winning economist. ISDS is a corporate tribunal system
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adjacency - between - corporate law - climate crisis - evolutionary biology - cultural evolution - adjacency statement - Biologist Michael Levin's multi-scale competency architecture of evolutionary biology seems to apply here - in the field of corporate law - Corporations can be viewed as one level of a social superorganism in a cultural evolution process - Governments can be viewed similiarly, but at a higher level - The ISDS is being weaponized by the same corporations destroying the global environment to combat the enactment of government laws that pose a threat to their livelihood - Hence, the ISDS has been reconfigured to protect the destroyers of the environment so that they can avoid dealing with their unacceptable externalizations - The individual existing at the lower level of the multi-scale competency architecture(the corporation) is battling to survive against the wishes of the higher level individual (the government) in the same multi-scale competency architecture
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- it's the best and most likely explanation for human behavior
- Other people in other cultures do not think this
- and that suggests that our sense of self is largely culturally constructed
discussion - sense of self is complex. See the work of - Michael Levin and - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=michael+levin - Major Evolutionary Transition in Individuality - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=major+evolutionary+transition+in+individuality
- It's just a weird fascination of our weird culture that
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it doesn't matter how good it is they just refuse to look at it you know i had argument daniel dennett two three years ago we were at a conference and and i said you know what about a public debate
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adjacency - between - Rupert Sheldrake - Daniel Dennett - Michael Levin - adjacency statement - 6 degrees of separation between - Rupert Sheldrake - Daniel Dennett - Michael Levin - Rupert met Daniel and challenged him to a debate, which Daniel flatly refused. - Daniel has coauthored paper with Michael Levin - Michael's ideas adopted from William James's definition of intelligence parallels Sheldrake's ideas of future to past trajectory of mental causation
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sometimes people ask me uh is it possible that we're living in a simulation that all this is you know that reality isn't what we and and if you think about it it's not just 00:52:31 possible it's guaranteed
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adjacency - between - sensory bubble - umwelt - living in a simulation - Daisetz Suzuki - the elbow does not bend backwards - adjacency statement - In the Tibetan Buddhist epistemology, the illusory body training is to experience both one's body and reality as an illusion in the sense that nothing is static and fixed - From this perspective, we are all temporary states of convergence of the recirculating elements of emptiness - Daisetz Suzuki, the enlightened Japanese Zen monk who is credited to be one of the ones who brought Zen to the West said that when he experienced Kensho, he could suddenly understand the puzzling koan "The elbow does not bend backwards" with great clarity. - Form is a concentration and temporary consolidation of emptiness, the limitations inherent in any form does not denigrate is absolute origins from unlimited emptiness - The Heart Sutra expresses the equivalence of form and emptiness, finite and infinite. - In Deep Humanity, we have a saying: - To be or not to be - that is the question - To be AND not to be - that is the answer
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- Sometimes people ask me
"is it possible that we're living in a simulation?
- and and if you think about it it's not just possible it's guaranteed.
- There's no other way it could possibly be
- If you think about what is the opposite of that
- the opposite of that is that you somehow have a physically embodied cognitive structure that
- is able to,
- is not limited in its sensory perceptions
- is not limited in the amount of memory and computations
- the opposite of that is that you somehow have a physically embodied cognitive structure that
- All of us are limited beings
- All of us evolved under constraints of
- time
- energy and
- everything else -We see a tiny, little, narrow slit in the electromagnetic spectrum
- We have a few other things
- like chemical senses of things that are right there on your tongue and
- on your fingers and so on
- we have a little bit of memory
- we have this wet squishy substrate
- that's very error prone and
- needs to be constantly maintained
- and all our memories have to be the actively rewritten
- We were evolved under specific pressures under those conditions
- Who could possibly think that that we are not living in some sort of very specific representation of reality
- that is limited in many ways
- That's not to say
- it isn't adaptive and that
- Donald Hoffman would say that in many ways it is completely wrong
- I I think there's probably some truth to that
- but in other ways I think the the big lesson from all this is that
- we are all a brain and a vat
- Of course we are a brain sitting inside this thing that gives us various stimuli
- We try to make the best sense of it that we can and creatures will adapt to
- This is why you can do
- sensory substitution and
- sensory augmentation and why
- you can have neurons in the dish that play Pong
- but these systems will try to make
sense of whatever world they're given
- in whatever configuration they have and we do the same
- So yeah absolutely it's an illusion
- but it's not an illusion in the sense that there is some other way to have perfect direct perception of some underlying reality
- When we say it's an illusion or a simulation
- It just acknowledges the fact that we are finite limited beings
- whose job it is to make the best sense we can
- using the hardware that we have
- of what's been going on up until now and what we predict is going to be going on
- I don't know of another story that could possibly make sense
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the contents of your mind, your self model, your model of the outside world, where the boundary between you and the outside world is- so where do you end and the outside world begins- all of these things are constantly being constructed 00:00:36 and created.
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title: The Deep History of Ourselves: The Four-Billion-Year Story of How We Got Conscious Brains
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- The essence of who we are depends on our brains.
- They enable us to think, to
- feel joy and sorrow,
- communicate through speech,
- reflect on the moments of our lives, and to
- anticipate,
- plan for, and
- worry about our imagined futures.
- Although some of our abilities are comparatively new, key features of our behavior have deep roots that can be traced to the beginning of life.
- By following the story of behavior, step-by-step, over its roughly four-billion-year trajectory,
- we come to understand both
- how similar we are to all organisms that have ever lived, and
- how different we are from even our closest animal relatives.
- we come to understand both
- We care about our differences because they are ours. But differences do not make us superior; they simply make us different.
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- good article to contribute to a narrative of the symbiocene and a shift of humanity to belonging to nature as one species, instead of dominating nature as the apex species
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- @Gyuri, Could indranet search algorithm have made the connection between this article and the symbiocene artilces in my mindplex had I not explicitly made the associations manually through my tags? It needs to be able to do this
- Also interesting to see how this materialistic outlook of consciousness
- which is similiar to the Earth Species Project work and Michael Levin's work on synthesizing new laboratory life forms to answer evolutionary questions about intelligence
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you can train them it has memory you can train it you can take a a trained one and a naive one and fuse them they 00:39:24 they'll fuse together and then the memory sort of propagates and the naive one will now remember you know have the memory that that the other one had um no nerves no no brain um single cell
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this is a cancer uh approach that we work on which is to not to kill those cells but to force them to re reconnect to their neighbors and when they reconnect to the 00:31:24 neighbors they once again become part of the collective that's working on making nice skin nice muscle they stop being metastatic and they they go back
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- this is a cancer approach that we work on which is to not to kill those cells but to force them to re reconnect to their neighbors and when they reconnect to the neighbors they once again become part of the collective that's working on making nice skin nice muscle they stop being metastatic and they they go back
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- The contrast occurred to me with this talk especially, due to the respective areas of the two guests and Michael Levin's own interest of whether the signaling and policies within the collectives within a physiological body generalize in any way to larger social collectives that are outside of those physiological bodies. Rob Baumeister, being a social scientist is the perfect person to have such a conversation with.
- In this case, those policies are composed of informational signals and it would seem the signals currently have nowhere near the cohesion that millions of years of evolution have resulted in within the biological body of a multicelllular organism
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i find it very hard to imagine if we if somebody claimed to have a a good theory of consciousness and i 00:29:43 were to ask them okay well what is the prediction of your theory in this particular case i don't know what the format of the answer looks like because numbers and the typical things we get don't do the trick they you know they're sort of third person descriptions
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- Michael does not know what the format of the answer to the hard problem would be
- Attempting to explain the experience of consciousness begs the question
- what is explanation?
- The explanation often attempts to rely on measurable 3rd party observations and the scientific theories and models behind those observations
- However, as Michel Bitbol points out, the models themselves emerge from the same awareness of consciousness
- In spiritual teachings, it is often claimed that the observer is actually an expression of the universe that see's itself
- Seeing itself - what does this mean in scientific terms? Could it mean resonance, like the kind used by musicians to tune string instruments like guitars?
- Do all the patterns that we sense become sensible precisely because they are all an intrinsic part of us, and vice versa?
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we were once just physics all 00:02:27 of us were not just in an evolutionary sense but really in a developmental sense and you can watch it happen in front of your eyes so from that perspective i think developmental biology is is uh you know it's why i switched from doing computation in in sort of silicon medium to computation 00:02:40 and living media but i am fundamentally interested not just in questions of cells and why they do things but in morphogenesis or or pattern formation as an example of the appearance of mind from matter that's really right to me developmental biology is the most 00:02:53 magical process there is because it literally in front of your eyes takes you from from matter to mind you can see it happen
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the Bodhisattva vow can be seen as a method for control that is in alignment with, and informed by, the understanding that singular and enduring control agents do not actually exist. To see that, it is useful to consider what it might be like to have the freedom to control what thought one had next.
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- nondual awareness is the deep insight that there is no solid, singular, enduring control agent.
- creativity is unpredictable and spontaneous and would not be possible if there were perfect control
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triggered insight: not only are thoughts and actions random, but dreams as well
- I dreamt the night after this about something related to this paper (cannot remember what it is now!)
- Obviously, I had no clue the idea in this paper would end up exactly as it did in next night's dream!
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- title: Biology, Buddhism, and AI: Care as the Driver of Intelligence
- author: Michael Levin, Thomas Doctor, Olaf Witkowski, Elizaveta Solomonova, Bill Duane, AI - ethics
- date: May 16, 2022
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- a trans-disciplinary attempt to develop a framework to deal with a diversity of emerging non-traditional intelligence from new bio-engineered species to AI based on the Buddhist conception of care and compassion for the other.
- very thought-provoking and some of the explanations and comparisons to evolution actually help to cast a new light on old Buddhist ideas.
- this is a trans-disciplinary paper synthesizing Buddhist concepts with evolutionary biology
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it's kind of a miracle that that a collection of individual cells with their own agendas and their own ability to pursue various goals in physiological space and and Gene expressions face and so on that there is a way to arrange 00:02:52 those things that give rise to this gives rise to this emergent new self that operates in a different problem space
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- We are all aware of the many destructive behaviors that the emergent, composite human superorganism can participate in such as:
- drug addiction
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I have no clue like like who you know if anybody reads them or who reads them or or what happens after that I don't know yeah yeah well I 01:21:00 appreciate that and certainly people people you know that people contact me but I I know it's it's very hard to know um you know how these things are are actually spreading or not spreading through the through the community
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the bodhisattva vial which is which is huge 01:16:56 um it's this it's this commitment it's it's a medical it's the commitment to enlarge your cognitive apparatus to enable bigger goals to enable you to pursue bigger goals with more compassion
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- The bodhisattva vow is a commitment to enlarge your cognitive apparatus, your cognitive light cone of compassion to enable the pursuit of bigger goals
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if you're going to have a collective intelligence what is it going to uh care about um we don't we don't have a good science 01:05:49 of that
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- If you're going to have a collective intelligence, what is it going to care about? We don't have a good science of that
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I've 01:04:30 been interested in these kinds of things for a really long time both from the perspective of uh kind of Eastern thought about philosophy of mind and and things like that and more broadly questions of uh of of uh concern and 01:04:44 compassion and and things like that
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- the idea of care seems to have been stimulated by his child's project to build a robotic cat. He wanted the cat to have the attribute of caring.
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- Major evolutionary transition (MET) are milestones in evolution in which collections of distinct individual life forms unite into one cohesive collection due to improved fitness and begin to replicate as a new individual unit
- hence the Deep Humanity term individual / collective gestalt, developed to deal with the level of human organisms and the societies and groups they belong to, applies to evolutionary biology as well through the MET where a new higher level individual is formed out of a collective of lower level indivdiuals
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- author: Michael Levin
- date: Dec. 13, 2019
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definition: multi-scale competency architecture
- a complex living organism is not simply nested structurally in terms of cells which comprise tissues, comprising organs, and bodies, and then ultimately societies. Each of these layers has certain problem-solving competencies.
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- The HUMAN interBEcomING is a multi-level system.
- It would be insightful to learn if there are ways our human consciousness level can communicate to each level, including the social level
- future work
- literature review of research on specific areas related to the level of human consciousness communicating with other levels of the superorganism
- perhaps called "interlevel communication of multi-level superorganism
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- literature review of research on specific areas related to the level of human consciousness communicating with other levels of the superorganism
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