how do you do the very high context Choice making thing not have rules and yet be able to factor that scale I would say this is one of the huge questions we 01:08:04 have to face of how do we get tribal level bonding beyond the tribe and actually at a fully global scale
choice making not rules yet scale tribal level bonding beyond the tribe
as soon as the context changes the rules aren't right anymore and we also know that those who get in the position to make them have their own vested interests and 01:07:27 Corruption and blah blah blah so we can see why the rule-based systems have actually succeeded because of scale
rule-based system scale
the rule-based system is the idea that you have people like judges and people like Specialists who are way way more
rule-based system
sacrifice some of that autonomy and freedom for security
security
it would get roughly bigger than give or take 150 it would always cleave
150
virtue ethics utilitarian ethics
virtue ethics
to pay attention to the relationships in the room who needs to do the dishes tonight
pay attention to the relationships in the roon
who's going to do the dishes
me
if you were a parent what would you teach your child but she misheard it and what she heard was if you were a parrot what would you teach your child 00:52:04 and so she made the response it's probably the best parenting advice ever which is I would teach them how to catch worms and how to fly and 00:52:18 you know actually it's pretty good um because in a way that is what we need to do is um be careful 00:52:34 about the flexibility of that
if you were a parrot/parent what would you teach
how to catch worms and how to fly
successful parenting 00:53:25 is making a child that doesn't need you
thing that they're intrinsically motivated to anyways
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how do we teach our kids something that we actually don't know
how do we teach our kids that we actually don't know
it is even difficult to teach what you do know
help them figure out how to learn for themselves
homeschooled for I think three four years
home schooled cause of failing maths
how do I help them to be in the world right now in a way that allows them to be in 00:35:13 relationship with the past in all of the goodness and all of the flaws and allows them to begin to nurture a kind of flexibility 00:35:28 for what their future will be
help them to be
limited by those spiritual or religious options and um and so getting free from the family was really important
spiritual options
this multi-generational 00:33:15 work
multi-generational work
always letting everybody down
letting down
individuation was the tradition 00:32:36 of my time
individuation tradition of my time
that's continuity
continuity
the traditional side actually being more 00:30:07 aligned with the recognition of uncertainty epistemic uncertainty
recognition of uncertainity
honoring the complexity of the situation
the deepest cultural dialectics is the traditional versus the progressive Focus
deepest cultural dialectics
sexual Revolution movement
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as soon as birth control decoupled sex from procreation so the consequence of sex became a lot less in terms of the actual consequence
sex decupled from procreation
not only can he not marry but he can't get laid
can't get laid
obligate institutional monogamy was something that had emerged as the 00:26:07 dominant system
institutional monogamy
where a single father working one job could buy a house and which hasn't been true in the U.S since and increasingly less so in which the average you know the median income 00:24:11 and the median cost of a house actually worked out in a short number of years
median income house
the second order modeling that that I carried with me it wasn't what they learned but that they were 00:22:21 learning
second order modeling
not what they learned
but that they learned
you pay attention to which organisms are in relationship to which other organisms it came to me in the the the way you phrase a question 00:20:45 how you look into the relationships of a room before you respond
pay attentiion
“Liberty to be inefficient and miserable. Freedom to be a round peg in a square hole.” — Aldous Huxley
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a new "decentralized social network" that allegedlyseeks to reclaim user data
nice niche if you can carve it out
funnel user data under user control to other social networks as an intermediary.
People can do this for themselves not only with guarantees of ownership but for real. Wish him luck so that the idea will get poplularized and perhaps the original BlueSky project can exploit the mindshare created there by
improving the intellectual effectivenessof the individual human being
self link
Abstract
This is an initial summary report of a project taking a new and
systematic approach to improving the intellectual effectiveness
of the individual human being. A detailed conceptual framework
explores the nature of the system composed of the individual
and the tools, concepts, and methods that match his basic
capabilities to his problems. One of the tools that shows the
greatest immediate promise is the computer, when it can be
harnessed for direct on-line assistance, integrated with new
concepts and methods.
AUGMENTING HUMANINTELLECT : A ConceptualFramework. October 1962. By D. C.Engelbart
source : http://www.1962paper.org/web.html
permanent : https://bafybeihug53gktxw7kxoylul7onhp7mevy4pththa7ptmwbv734a4qcixu.ipfs.w3s.link/AUGMENTING%20HUMAN%20INTELLECT.pdf
improving the intellectual effectiveness of the individual human being
!- abstract : augmenting human intellect
1962 paper
“more-rapid comprehension … better solutions, and the possibility of finding solutions to problems that before seemed insoluble.”
“collective IQ”
=
use hyperlinks to navigate through knowledge
hyperlinks navigate through knowledge
computers, interfaces, and networks
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Douglas Engelbart’s Unfinished RevolutionThe pioneering Doug Engelbart invented things that transformed computing, but he also intended them to transform humans.
About Dynamic Knowledge Repositories
Of course with the Inter Planetary File Systems Permanent HyperMedia Protocol for the Web the Network IS the Repository
On top of this Named Data Networks we can finally connect everything into Named Networks of People, Ideas and Software as a Conversation and weave Autonomous Trust Networks for the participants by the particiapants as Actors in their owned rights
Civil and focused dialogue
Open Enspiral: Lessons from a Participatory NetworkReflections about self-management, growing a network and scaling culture
help keep the boundaries permeable
keep boundaries permeable
the proposals application is our means of collective digital choreography, whichsimply means knowing what to do next.
collective digital coreography
create networked knowledge artefacts
networked knowledge artefacts
Explorer
should have joined long ago
Your money is yours, but who you are is realised through, and held safe by, all of us
gossip network?
The drawback is that moving between different subdomains
perhaps kernel needs a real kernel for Web3
we are exploring this possibility in creating just the kind of Open, commons based, pee produced constellations built with Web3
!- original : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rdMIDu__oFay4Du2zGOUKZ7wRDPzGmyZIFafMy4LdHA/edit#
!- context - https://convo.kernel.community/rsvp/1JIqB28K0S - https://convo.kernel.community/rsvp/EZq5r-eYTo
Wallets with balances imply that they are only about finance, whenreally these two keys give you the freedom to make your own meaning and value
freedom to make your own meaning and value
we’re not interested in how much you have. We’re interestedin how much you learn
interested in how much you learn
This is called “non-custodial”, because itmeans that you’re the only one who ever has custody of your private key
non custodial
Wisdom is durably good guidance.
durable guidance
beyond intelligence that aims to make decisions that maximize future options
heart mind guts right heart mind guts in that order care comes first you got to care enough to know to develop the knowledge 00:18:11 okay then you got to act on it and put it into practice apply it so that's the order heart mind guts care 00:18:24 knowledge action those are the steps and all three of those have to be in place that's what unity consciousness is it's unifying faults emotions and actions
unty consciousness
thought emotion action
the lost principle is the dynamic of care what we care about on a day-to-day basis acts as the driving force of our thoughts and actions what did i say we need to develop the 00:17:59 heart mind guts right heart mind guts in that order care comes first you got to care enough to know to develop the knowledge 00:18:11 okay then you got to act on it and put it into practice apply it so that's the order heart mind guts care 00:18:24 knowledge action those are the steps and all three of those have to be in place that's what unity consciousness is it's unifying faults emotions and actions 00:18:35 the three aspects of consciousness such there is no contradiction between them our thoughts what we say what we think how we feel and how we act are one and the same there's no contradiction that's unity consciousness therefore 00:18:49 care is the driver of our thoughts and actions it ultimately can be seen as the generator of the quality of our shared experience here on the earth care is what generates the whole thing hence it has been called the generative principle 00:19:01 liken the heart to a pump in the body well what does a pump do it's a generator it provides energy it moves the life force through the blood in the body in every ancient tradition they talk about the life force being in the 00:19:15 blood the heart is what pumps that through the whole physiology and enables us to continue to sustain life as important as the brain is which we just talked about the importance of it the heart is 00:19:28 ultimately what's generating the experience because what we care about determines what we think about on a daily basis most of the time and therefore how we behave
the lost principle
the generative principle
care
Come for the light-hearted vision, stay for the excellence...
vision stay for excellence
Kernel Building Kernel
Giving is sacred
∀ is
Scale ability
It does help if you know that if you can go from 0 to 1 you gone to N without the need for vast resources
instead you may reach sustainability growth and the abiity to lift others sooner than you could thing
Kernel Principles
principles
A custom web3 educational community
Kernel community and make its infrastructure available for any other community of care.
Convo.
Community Wisdom Gardening Summit and Pattern Jam
wisdom gardening summit
spreading awareness, co-learning these endangered legacies
endagered indeed
1: Show several features in one visual Show, don't tell. Show me your SaaS, don't describe it to me. There are many ways to do that.
show, don't tell
What's New: 5 UX/UI tips to improve your website
the system becomes ready allows for pathways of possibility previously unimagined.
pathways of possibilities previously unimagined
This is a theory of change that changes a theory of change.
self-correcting like language itself
saturation of mutual learning between organisms through which pathways of possibility are produced;
pathways of possibilities emerge
‘Aphanipoiesis’ paper in the ISSS Journal
What is submerging across contexts of life that might produce ready-ing for change?
Respect is not something that can be mandated;
The opposite of ready-ing is to force a single-purpose outcome upon a system that is oriented and shaped around pathways that do not correspond to the desired ‘change’.
An essay on ready-ing: Tending the prelude to changeNora Bateson
What happens between hints?
sub liminal
nudges
clues
If the larger “goal” is to preserve the possibility of ongoing complexity
maximizing future choices
attention to coalescence
seer
older epistemologies
Dao
Older cultures have held the unseen to be relevant.
it is not just unseen but perhaps it is not only the Dao that cannot be Daoed?
unseen, rather than hidden or invisible.
focal attention subsidiary attention
unseen realm is vital, non-trivial, and sacred— and it is real.
the sacred is real the real is **sscred
just as
the real is reasonable (not rational or irrational, rational plodding in assummed closed world with finite causal chain is an unrealistic expectation that leds to ruin, as is the drive for surety
and only the reasonable can become real through time
life coalesces toward vitality
Aphanis comes from a Greek root meaning obscured, unseen, unnoticed
unseen
abduction as the way one context describes another.
This is a print out of https://norabateson.medium.com/ready-ing-f1d79271a610#annotations:tT--HlYHEe2hrNshk1WKlQ shared on the CICOLAB #convoflow Telegram channel
via https://convo.kernel.community/rsvp/BlcdX9htox
configured to allow web annotations within a small reading circle.
The technology experiment to explore how we may have conversations on the margins
An essay on ready-ing: Tending the prelude to change
This is a print out of https://norabateson.medium.com/ready-ing-f1d79271a610#annotations:tT--HlYHEe2hrNshk1WKlQ configured to allow web annotations within a small reading circle.
The technology experiment to explore how we may have conversations on the margins
You can find some example apps here: https://github.com/Peergos/example-apps
example apps
The app domain is isolated from the main peergos domain in a separate OS process
app domain is isolated
You can turn any folder in Peergos into a private website, benefitting from the built-in access control and privacy. Such websites can be viewed using a built-in browser app.
browser app
A digital garden. Spaces for thinking together. Shared worlds. Intersubjectivities. A commons.
If you would make it People-Centered where each individual/Communities of practice would be their own(ed) hubs operating as Autonomous Actors forming an IndyNet connecting People, Ideas and un-enclosable Tools and carriers that they need so that everything that is shared in the commons or privately would allow trusted ambient conversations, on the margins, or collaboratively, that are continuous without being synchronous, and contiguous with the entire scaffolding with which each participants contributions were erected, Where everything is evergreen,with verifiable provenance and recapitulable histories. Scaling Synthesis and Reach
you would be talking about IndyLab on the IndyWeb
There is a clear convergence present in the design space of possible Open Commons based, Peer-produced "tools to think with, together" to augment human inter-intellect in Open Mutual Learning Commons for Symmathesy an interpersonal MEMEX fort the Web doing the job of organizing the Net's Frontier as the Endless Frontier of Knowledge
all powered by Permanent Hypermedia Protocols noty Platforms allowing the Players to be their own Platforms
“antibody-dependentenhancement,” or ADE
Mapping Meaning in a Digital Age
HyperMaps of Meanings in Autonomous InterPersonal Hypermedia Spaces
Where the Map IS the territory
Commons based, peer produced, Permanent , Evergreen, Autonomous Conversations for mutual learning that are continuous without being synchronous, and contiguous with each participants' own(ed) HyperMaps of Meaning that ARE the territory
spiritual reparenting
Maria Popova — Cartographer of Meaning in a Digital Age for : spiritual re-parenting
*Cargographer of Meaning
now called marginalian
similar generative order can be discerned in theconsciousness of society
implicate order,particularly if the whole is relevant to the creation of the parts, or if processesof enfoldment and unfoldment are present.
!- characterize : implicate order - the whole is relevant to the creation of the parts - processers of - enfoldments and - unfoldments - are present
compare : emergence, end emergent properties
for : mutual arising through meta-circularity and bootstrapping
a generative order is a process whereby alimited number of simple components generate a diverse structure
!- essential - characterization : TrailMarks
on-cept of generative order put forth with F. David Peat in Science, Order, andCreativity
D I A L O G U E A S A N E W C R E AT I V E O R D E R
1987
Teaches Mindfulness and Meditation
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What's In A Name, And Who's Asking?
the dynamic structure of the programming language was the dynamic structure of the document and it's just it's a different world 00:40:27 he he had to struggle with getting the programming language evolved and adapted into
This IS Intentional Programming
!- claim : NLS was a nascent Intentional Software System - It was not a language work bench - but a system oriented - a collaboration platform designed to bootstrap itself - into existence and continual improvement and in fact - it was kernel based - and at the heart it had a Command Language Interpreter - that allowed thinking and creating software - as a conversational system - driven by a command language - that was used to articulate the intentions - in terms of other intentions, combinations of intentions ultimately - groundrd in primitiver capabilities - that were implemented in machine code for the target system - migration from one machine to the next - system desigtners and devlopers were able to articulate - ideas and means of realizing those ideas in - self structured forms and used the same capabilities - to organize the embodiment of these intentions - in code that when run exhibited the desired behaviour
in fact when we had all all the programming languages that were in nls there was no text file for the 00:40:14 programs they were in the dynamic structure
when you edit in Wikipedia you're editing a text file and then somehow you generate a display out of that and in NLS and the system's Doug is proposing you edit the structure 00:40:02 directly and and the different views did you get or generated out of the structure
A program consists of a tree of nodes, each node being an instance of someintention
!- as in : NLS - see : https://docdrop.org/video/xQx-tuW9A4Q/#annotations:yiHKnFEIEe2RX5Mg4AKCqw
The enzymes can be written in IP itself, and new intentions may be also used in the enzymes themselves. Is thiscircular? Of course it is, but standard bootstrapping methods can ensure that a working copy of the system iskept at any time while the new enzymes are debugged
!- question : is this circular !- answer : of course it is - meta-circular
Identification is unambiguous and invariant, via thegraph-like pointers. Detail can be added at any point, without disturbing any other part of the tree
he source tree provides a solid substrate forrepresenting arbitrary intentions in a modular fashion.
One could say that the tree-like pointers are a little like S-expressions in Lisp, while the graph-like pointers define the object type in the object-oriented view.
LISP S-expressions + object oriented view
Needless to say, the declarations, and the details of the intentions are themselves also intention instances andreside within the source tree, typically, but not always, in a standard library.
Thenodes are each identified as an instance of the particular primitive intention by a ―graph-like‖ pointer to thedeclaration of the intention. The nodes also contain ―tree-like‖ pointers to any number of arguments as shown inthe following figure
!- repharase : - articulation of intentions by means of articulation of intents
actualize the programmer’s abstract desire, specific nodes are created by the programmer in the source tree.
!- response : - the programmer's desire is not abstract - IT is TACIT
―call a specialized instance of procedure P transformed with respect to second and third parameters andpartially inlined up to medium level; adapted to the present implementation of the first parameter, etc, etc.‖
The very idea of Programming is tied up with the concept of programming languages
with the death of programming languages programming itself should be laid to rest, the idea abandoned as one that was simply ill conceived
By programmer’s intention we meana desire that something be accomplished.
!- gloss : programmer's intention - a desire that something be accomplished - what do you really intend here
Intentional Software through Symmathesy
the software developer's intention is to articulate intentional concepts that capture the conditions for synthesyzing a new HyperMedia Space within which problems of interest can be solved, engagement of interest can be realized etc
The questions are b roader, more holistic system oriented like
A key element inprogramming is the forming of some intention in the programmer’s mind.
The contributions are in the form of a tree ofnodes, called the IP Source Tre
Without being overly pedantic, we should set the stage by admitting theobvious: programming systems exists because human programmers have ideas to contribute.
handful of gurus who used to control the means of abstraction
Indeed, the major promise of IP may not be the fixing of a finite number of mundane problems, but the enablingof the larger scale evolution of programming technology.
!- major promise : IP - - not : fixing of a finite number of mundane problems - - but : enabling largert scale evolution of programming technology
!- rehash as : Intentional Software - commons based, peer produced intentional constellations for Software as a conversation, mutual learning
Moreover, thedominant products can remain on the top only by continually evolving and improving and they are orders ofmagnitudes better in every respect than their pre-evolutionary prototypes.
pre-evolutionayr prototypes
value prop : intentional constellations
This means that the existing legacy code of the usersis no longer an albatross retarding innovation, but a valuable asset to which new services can be tied withoutlimit. Once encoded in terms of intentions, software assumes an invariant ―immortal‖ form, free from inherentobsolence.
!- meme : intentional software as "immortal form" - existing legacy articulations are assets - to which new servicdes can be tied to - composed of, re-mix re-use, re-purpose
!- meme : intentional software - beyond programming - beyond ontology
There emerged a smallnumber of dominant word processing packages, but there are a myriad of niche products also
Once the relatively expensive hardware box was made universal, the number of wordprocessors skyrocketed and the quality and power of the products greatly increased.
!- going : universal - make expensive dedicated hardware for word procdessoirs universal - resulting quality and power ofavailable solutions in any specific application domains increased
ncoded in terms of intentions,
One key property of intentions, as described in the sequel, is that they can coexist with each other―syntactically‖ and can be made to coexist ―semantically
―JOVIALl‖ that is ―Jules’ Own Version of the International Algorithmic Language‖. This was one small steptoward the intentional world)
!- about : JOVIALI - step towards the intentional world
Each intention carries the definition of its associated notation (―syntax‖) and implementations(―semantics‖) as attached method
arbage collection isanother meme: Lisp and Smalltalk carry it
features of thelanguages are the genes (or more precisely, information ―memes
Arbitrary type calculus, meta-work, domain-specific compilation knowledge, and information traditionally keptin ―good‖ comments should be expressible as part of the machine processable part of the program
as part of the machine processable part
not literal programming
!- response : - but articulate software as a conversations and mutual learning
matching any given fixed point.
question - what does it mean? : matching any given fixed point
guess :
n syntax, any notation should be acceptable.
!- need to go : beyond syntax and semantics
he issues of syntax, types, standards, and namingshould be delegated to the programmer
!- delegate : issues to programmer - syntax - types - standards - naming
!- response - naming is the key - universal means of articulation instead of just syntax - amenable to the "pun" that a machine processable description - can be interpreted to embody the intent thus describned - syntax is to make writing machine processable - types are indeed ubiquitous but are only the tip of the iceberg of thought vectors in intent space
contributions remain compatible even whendifferent choices or tradeoffs are made by different programmers
contributions compatible
!- ensure : not only - compatibiity, - mapping between intentional conceptualizations - but interoperabiity
Implementationdetail should be separable from computational intent, and any implementation should be accessible for a givenintention, including those matching any given fixed point.
!- separate : computational intent - from - implementation details - articulate intent in structures that reflect all the abstractions needed to cope conceptionally with what we are creating
!- make accessible : any implementation - for - any intent - including those matching any fixed point
a system for encoding the programmer’s contributions in units that correspond tothe programmer’s intentions, with arbitrary abstraction that does not incur run-time costs.
!- goal : intentional system - encode the programmer's contribution in units - that corresponds to the programmer's intention - arbitrary abstractions - no run-time costs incurred
!- questions? - whose intentions? - what kinds of abstractions?
why talk about the death of languages?
!- why : death of languages?
https://indylab-2022.fission.app/hyp?intentional&user=indyweb
https://indylab-2022.fission.app/hyp?intentional&user=indyweb
programmers get a say in language design.
programmers get a say in languge design
nease insofar as the general state of software is concerned: development isdifficult, achieving correctness is difficult, levels of software reuse are low relative to what we would intuitivelyexpect
re-read the definition of the technical term
ank ―efficiency‖ as unassailable
efficiency unassailable
Doubtful:
rendering the issuer routine
gloss : Agile
express a specific implementation would be by abstracting it into its computational intent
express specific implementation
abstract into its computational intent
no conflict between abstraction and efficiency,
should be no incentive to go outside of the normal languageframework
erformance becomes a goal for most pieces of software.
performance which depends on a particular implementation methodor the exploitation of operating system or hardware features
Accessibility of desired implementation
the mapping between the two be straightforward
mapping to be straightforward
saying that the encoding be simple
encoding may not be simple
the ability to abstract is key to anyencoding
the volume of specificcases handled by an abstraction is typically much greater than the overhead of the abstractionmechanism itself
Domain-specific knowledge can not be injected into the compilation process.
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failing most other tests for usability.
Meta-work (i.e. consistent rewriting of a program) is not expressible in languages even though itcomprises a substantial part of programmer’s workload. Lisp is an exception in t
pieces of program text are not abstractable,
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already fixed implementation should bechanged, or that the objects in question should not be considered containers under thecircumstances ignores realistic boundary conditions on one hand and violates sound softwareengineering on the other
Computational intent and implementation details are intermingled.
intermingled
Languages are not compatible with a fixed poin
Potentially costly unreliable conversions
cause a ―name collision‖
Not compatible with themselves
Languages are not compatible with themselves:
name collision
permanent and maintainable combination,
Languages are not compatible with each other:
Cannot mix and match
No bon mot
the list of ―terrible things‖ which are taken for grante
The purpose of a language is to encode the programmers’ contributions
oh no, it isn't
On scientific understanding with artificial intelligence
Hi! I'm Paul.
Our Product Lead, Darlene, will reach out with next steps!
Twemex is a browser extension for Twitter that automatically surfaces the most interesting ideas.It helps you spend less time mindlessly scrolling, and more time developing your thoughts.
because there is no onboarding experience provided by the app the community ends up creating the onboarding experience for new users so we're like sort of as a 00:06:28 community like deciding how this app is can not should be used but can be used in various ways and setting up these sort of conceptual structures of like well here's one way you could use Rome and another and there's no official way and I doubt 00:06:41 will be given
Intentional Programming demo (Part 2) - Compiler
Clone this repository, then run:
setup
= cosmiosis
the destination is without a doubt Heaven and this little thing we're putting together here on Earth is the map, the plan et you are the how.
audacity of the golden word "audacity,"
audacity auspicios
Data relevance is a question of access and intent
!- what? : IndyNet - in a People Centered setting - relevance is an emergent property of combination trustful access and intent through time
acknowledging the risk of concurrent updates spanning long-lived branches of history.
a far edge database for local-first applications and autonomous computing agents.
Fission Reactor: Dialog First Look
Users might even bring their own data
this is sure to happen when doing zero friction onboarding of local first, offline first, commons based peer produced permanent long tail software or PWAs
TRACKING: WNFS event listeners #413
WNFS eventlisteners
One thing we've been thinking about a lot is progressive login: Since everything is local-first, you can just start using an app without connecting it to anything else, just store the data locally.
!- concept : Progressive Login
Nice to see that you are thinking about zero friction engagement and progressive on-boarding too. This is particularly appropriate in a webnative setting that is ultimately heading towards the long tail of software where the apps come to people instead of people flocking to apps.
If you were using redirectToLobby, there's an optional redirectTo param where you can define which URL they will be redirected back to: https://webnative.fission.app/modules.html#redirectToLobby
Sharing Private Data
“App Owned Login” means that the app includes sign up rather than Fission auth lobby. And that file system access across apps (as mentioned) is going to look
!- concept : App Owned Login
Share files, images, links, videos and notes My Flow is your personal space to share files, links, videos, images and notes, so you can access them on your computer, tablet and phone. It's file-sharing and more, made simple.
!- share - files - links - videos - images - notes - - slogan : filesharing made simple
Benefits of My Flow file sharing The My Flow feature in Opera is a simple and secure way to connect your phones, tablets & computers, to share files and more between them.
!- benefits : - simple, secure way to connect devices to
!- provide - personal space to share files - no login - private - secure - encrypted
My Flow Securely share files, links and notes between your computer and phone with My Flow. My Flow file sharing is built into Opera Browser for mobile and desktop
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