Would this separate those who are just there for a grade in high school from those who actually want to learn?

could this just be having metacognition in general?

The book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell further explains this topic of cultural differences. He explains why he feels that cultural differences are the most important factor in determining success in education (or just in general). He even cites Angela Duckworth's research in his book about how low-income kids have a harder time developing personalities necessary to achieve success. http://gladwell.com/outliers/

Passion leads to hard-work. One can work hard on something they dread, but there will never be any drive to do any further research or learning. If one is passion, they'll go out of their way to learn extra because it's something important to them. It's something they love and it's something they find find satisfaction in achieving.

What shows better work-study habits, a standardized test score or one's GPA?

Is this study applicable to all colleges? They didn't explain the specifics of the amount of people in the study or any statistics. It was also conducted in a different country so there could be confounding variables.

If you look at a students background, you can learn a lot about them. Their background shows how thrivers and divers are who they are. A person may come from low- income family and tries much harder to study to get into college, while a diver doesn't have to worry as much to get into college. Thrivers want to be intelligent and make a difference in the world to make their parents proud, while divers want to be successful and rich like their parents.

Conscientiousness is a trait that people to do things more carefully and watch what they are doing. As opposed to divers, they are not as careful and tend to be more disorganized. However, divers can do work effectively if they listen to when upcoming assignments are due and be prepared, but this is not the case. In college, my professors give me a lesson plan so that i complete my work on time, which is very effective and efficient. With all of these negative characteristics, how were divers able to graduate form high school?

Sometimes, it is not easy to come up with a study plan. There is simply no time or you have to many assignments. In my first few weeks of high school, I was prepared to finish all my assignments and study for any exams. Sooner or later though, I was drowning in college work that I couldn't come up with a schedule or find time to finish the assignments for each class.

Grades don't always demonstrate what you are good at. You may may be intelligent or have skills in a specific area that schools do not teach you. You could also be doing really well in one subject, while failing other subjects, which doesn't always show with your grades or GPA.

Going into college was hard for me because I had to make new friends and meet new professors. There was also more of a work load than in high school.

This could be because "divers" assume that they are smart enough as is and can keep their high school study habits. They got comfortable in high school study methods and don't strive to go farther than that.

College is an environment where everything can move seemingly quick around you, giving you a limited time to catch your bearings. If you manage to control this chaos you can find yourself thriving where others are failing. A reason many people fail with this is that they give into temptations that they otherwise wouldn't. They see life moving so quickly before there eyes that they make decisions that their old selves would deem irrational. Giving into these temptations could hurt your chances at future success in and out of college.

Students success in college in correction with their previous financial status has always been something that has drawn my attention. Someone who is under the constant pressure of paying for their loans and working jobs to alleviate it would have a much different college experience than the normal student. All of this said, at the end of the day the students are required to take the same exams and be judged on the same guidelines. This common grading can show why students in financial stress struggle to stay on top of their grades. Another way of looking at it could be that these students could have a burning desire to get out of their situation and use academic success as a way to get out of it. At the end of the day you never know what your peers are going through and how much they have to deal with outside of their studies.

As I continue to learn and develop as a college student I have been introduced to how much more effective one can be if they are properly organized. In college you are given a syllabus and are it is up to you to plan your time accordingly in order to get all of your assignments completed. Proper organization allows you to have a complete understanding of whats due and when. This understanding will allow you to effectively study and get all of your assignments done with a fair amount of time to review them.

We strongly agree that being hard-working in school is far more important than just being intelligent in the books. We think this is extremely important because we have seen students/people that don’t contain much intelligence; yet they’re working hard to find the resources in order to help them succeed in something they might need. This connects to doing well in college because there’s more resources and you don’t only just have to be smart.

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Although correlation does not imply causality, even with the concept of experiment that shows the difference between those who are considered “thrivers,” and those who are considered “divers,” there is still a plethora of factors that affect the outcome of the experiment. Due to this, a variety of people actually identify with both the “thriver” and the “diver” which in statistical data would be an error, where in fact a “diver” has the traits of a “thriver,” but in the experiment are identified as the latter, or vice versa. Each of these categories, do however seem to stereotype different types of students, those who fail, and those who achieve; and something that the experiment does seem to reveal however, is that such traits are based on the study habits of the students, whether one strives to focus and not procrastinate versus one who constantly procrastinates and is easily distracted. However, given the number of factors that disrupt such an experiment, the study is inconclusive, but essentially is a step in the right direction to understand why students succumb to the pressures of college.

In the article “Why students who do well in high school bomb in college,” by Jeff Guo, he discusses why high school students do so well in high school, but once entering into college they end up bombing it. The article discusses predictions on how college students can work hard to succeed. Studying and having personality traits that are positive help obtain success. Hard work and determination are needed to succeed in college and many students lack these qualities. Often times, it is the students who only apply minimal effort to their school work that have the least satisfactory grades and test scores. Perhaps the issue is that in high school, the curriculum and hours of study needed are much less invasive than that necessary for college. Students who have always been at the top of their high school find it much harder to adapt and reestablish themselves in the larger college setting, filled with new competitors and an often times an intimidating new environment. Because college can be so much different from the high school environment, what truly sets the “thrivers” from the “divers” is their basic ability to adapt their mindset to the new challenges that accompany college success. As the article states, although personality traits are only correlations to these two, this can tie into the idea that personal motivation and other factors can contribute to the overall success of a student. The article does, however, state that personality traits such as, agreeableness, openness to new ideas, and emotional stability does not determine if a student falls under the category thrivers or divers but instead it determines their work study habits.

In high school, the main priority was to do the work and achieve the best grade by any means possible. Due to this, many people didn’t truly learned the material, but merely memorized in time for the next test; this enhanced the ability to breeze through busy work but allowed no room for creative thinking. Usually those with higher confidence tend to slack, believing they don’t have to try; those with higher confidence also tend to be those with higher socioeconomic statuses. Furthermore, those who are well off can focus their time and effort solely on their studies whereas those who are struggling are forced to acquire a job and split their time.

This article is very circular; it does not conclude upon many ideas. This quote showcases that the singular study on the topic should be taken with a grain of salt, because it is still a very unexplored topic. This also contradicts the earlier statements of the article by saying that the biggest apparent factor is the ability for someone to manage their own temptation/distraction. These are independent traits and might or might not be affected by things like, high school grades, economic status, childhood environment. This article only speaks about one study that had one trial at one location, and according to the widely believed laws of science research, no major conclusions can be made off of it because it has not been tested with a variety of variables. Especially with fields such as psychology, it is important to test many different aspects over time. This phenomena could only be located at University of Toronto, but we have no way of knowing until this study is done with a slightly different set of variables.

Group: One main difference between a thriver and a diver is the study skills and habits they had in high school. Thrivers try to focus more on understanding the concept, creating good study habits and organization skills. Divers mostly focus on passing, memorizing only the necessary information the day before the test. Divers probably never developed good study habits or organization skills in high school, so once they reached college, they struggled with understanding the material and dedicating time to study. The more people study and the more prepared they are, the more eager they are to learn new concepts faster. It’s all about wanting to succeed in school. A positive attitude helps students learn more, as well. There are, of course, many things that are accounted for when assessing and predicting success. People are all different and are motivated differently. There are things that happen that can change the person and their goals. Other than study habits, it depends on the person’s ambitions and how bad they want to be educationally successful. How ambitious they are depends on many factors such as mindset, their background/ where they come from, grit, their goals, and many more.

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This is an interesting quote because it shows how personality and traits of a person actually affects the potential of their effort into college courses. A student's personality plays an important role in how they do in college or academics because whether they are enthusiastic or depressed will show in their study habits as well as test scores. When it comes to academics, many people will think it may come natural rather than utilizing the cognitive skills, which is believed to be a skill that applies. However, cognition is an important asset - there is more that contributes into this criteria of education. Although, what draws the line to being fully considered as a thriver student or a diver student. Can someone(a student)be considered both?

When people start college, they not only start another level of education, but a step into the actual world as well. Parents sometimes don’t financially help their children anymore because they’re considered adults at this point. Most students never needed to support themselves, so on top of school, jobs, living on their own, this could be a bit of a culture shock for them, which could be overwhelming, extremely stressful, and cause their school work to plummet.

To me, these are lame ideas. I mean, fine. But what about looking at the institutional barriers that contribute to students failing out? What about dealing with the real costs of college to relieve pressure on students who have to work long hours on top of studying? This article seems to blame students for not doing well. In some cases, I get that-- but in others, students struggling with economic pressures, mental illness, addiction, racism, transfer bureaucracies, and stale curricula shouldn't really shoulder all of the blame.

If a kid doesn't have access to enough food or to any fun food, I bet that kid eats a marshmallow. And they would be smart to eat it.

I doubt "grit" is something anyone is born with. So how does it emerge in some people and not others, and why doesn't this article seem to care about the social and economic forces that shape students?

Yes, I think that the study seems to totally ignore all of the factors that students face. By looking at "personality" traits, it seems to forget that institutions and socioeconomic reality affect how students perform.

Seems weird to name these two things as if they are equivalent. The first is a metric while the second is a characteristic. In other words, test scores aren't a thing on their own, but they are a reflection of many things, one of which is actually socioeconomic status...

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