trying to move away from that idea of actually even having files
IPFS
trying to move away from that idea of actually even having files
IPFS
there's a network
Network
croquet is interesting because uh there's no server
no server
quirk to to to stand away from uh making money
Stand away from making money
create a coinbase account or something you know because then I at least feel comfortable that they're not going to lose all their funds
Coinbase account
Not loose funds
problem of onboarded people into web 3 is so huge
On boarding to web3
back to uh to uh Engelbert and should the interface be easy or is it okay if the interface is hard
Engelbart interface easy or hard
naming : - IS hard but all powerful
difficult to use until you get The Knack of it and when you get the Knack 00:33:42 of it you say oh this is pretty magical as long as you've put in all the work that I just put in to learn it
Knack of it
relations are sort of sort of assumed you know well no no you have to name them and put them in to be 00:33:28 able to make a statement in graph
Relationships have to name them
figuring that out but the the premise is is it's a chat program but instead of chatting in statements in English 00:33:03 you chat in little networks of nodes and relations as a system thinker would expect I guess
Figuring it out chat in little networks of nodes
S3 thing kind of 00:31:18 equivalents which is becoming the web version of memory
Buckets Web version of memory
e stepping out of the wiki a
Stepping out of the wiki
super 00:30:13 Collider and I said well man that's a great name let's call it the semiconducting super collaborator
Super collaborator
let's think about how it really ought to be and we had trouble articulating that
How it out to be Difficult to articulate
we've in the context of Wiki we've came 00:29:10 came to realize that this property graph stuff's pretty powerful
Wiki context property graph
quirkier side of things things that might work because in the programming there's something powerful there and yet to be explored
Quikier side programming Something powerful there
collaborative graph too
Collaborative graph tool how does it help?
Allen K was one of those and I was kind of a subscriber 00:26:54 okay to his work
Alan Kay subscriber to his work
put up with the Arcane nature of the programming
Arcane nature programming
could only sell crippled things to the population and there might be something to that
Sell crippled things to the population
learn to use it and learning to use
Learn to use it
let's just do this because it'll 00:21:19 work
Do this it will work
Roger Bates was one and and uh he came to tektronics
Roger Bates Tektronix
won't even say nice job he'll just say oh and you can do this and this and this and this and come up with more 00:19:45 ideas so it's not very satisfying
do this and this not very satisfying
skeptical you know it sounded pretty blue sky
Skeptical blue sky
Doug Engelbert I didn't sort of get to that I had met him yeah you know of him 00:18:22 even even when he was starting the internet
Doug Engelbart NIC
1993 vintage GPS
1993 vintage GPS
get in the room and do the work
Why do
not how we can go about building this collective intelligence but why
not how but why collective intelligence
create a registry for a geospatial data um and so for instance like if you're looking at a lot of climate projects
Registry geospatial climate
Perma Garden basically for ourselves and um so we we don't uh so we can you know use that as our as our story
Perma garden story
other resources Beyond money
Resources beyond money
indigenomics
web3 without uh you know you know by encrypting certain pieces of data and having people you know allowing people to ask questions about you know whether they can you know use it for a certain 00:11:43 data se
Encrypt pieces ask questions
don't really want all of this data to be open
Not all data open
accruing trust to the trustworthy without having any kind of authoritative hand on it
Accrue trust authoritative hand
everyone just expresses what they think
Express what they think
canonical debate like as you've seen kyalo
canonical debate
common trust is the vector through which information can spread we don't necessarily have to agree on all of the facts about everything if we can agree on who to trust to do a good enough job
common trust is the vector
through which information spreads
shows automatically all the top reasons for 00:08:00 and against
show top reasons for or against
debate graph
idea Market also establishes a Knowledge Graph so that there are inferential links between the points of uh knowledge or th
Knowledge Graph
citation system
= citation system
little social network called idea market
= idea market
how a remarkably simple mechanism can simulate allmechanisms
simulate all mecfhanism
not simulate exhibit!
inform thematerial with meaning and to extractmeaning from the form
in-form extract meaning
"Information," Gregory Bateson noted, "is any diference that makesa diference."
= Information any difference that makes a difference
= Gregory Bateson
theonly intrinsic meaning of a mark is thatit is there
Computers are to computing as instruments are to music.
instruments to music
Happy 75th Anniversary, Transistor. You’ve Changed Everything – Including How We Innovate.

Each app environment (myapp production, myapp staging, etc.) should have a separate channel with its own ID and secret key. You can manage channels only via the dashboard, not the API.
manage channels via the dashboard
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Scuttlebutt glossary
glossary
In the context of p2p, uxer makes more sense, cuz we're flip the paradigm of ownership, and should be designing from the first person. IMHO the ultimate goal is for people to not only "own" their "experience", but design their own applications; for the perfect world, the latter predicates the former; to which ends, anarchitecture.
for = Paradigm Flipped - we flip the paradigm of ownership - designing from first person
ultimate : goal - people not only to "own" their "experience" - but design their own applications
xref = Long Tail of Software, Jot Spot - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=40&expanded=true&user=indyweb&any=jotspot+long+tail+software&exactTagSearch=true
uxer is a sort of mashup shorthand for the user-experienceR, which is not the "experience" as perceived by others (UX) but the person who is getting treated... the uxer is the "UX Designer"
gloss = uxer = user-experienceR
dex short for "decentralized"
gloss = dex
short for decentralized
A user's stream of signed messages. Also called a log.
gloss = feeds
Thinking Small to Get BigThe long tail of software

for = JotSpot
https://bafkreibkvbbmuuicxioaoypmagqelmoz6fyzsvqueryldzwijk7i3g5gx4.ipfs.w3s.link/?filename=jotspot_long_tail_sw.ppt.pdf
JotSpot
Jot Spot
Twister implements a social network (again, dexnet of friends & followors) on a uniformly distributed decentralized network,
Twister
topology (data center hub and user spokes)
data center hub and user spokes
Pubs(named after real life pubs, or "public houses") are a peer you can follow that helps you catch up on the gossip and feed of your network.
gloss = pub - peer u can follow - helps you - catchup on the gossip
What is a Pub?

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ssb-pub serversmanyverse pub servermanyverse roomsssb server
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How the Internet was Stolen
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interoperability is a smart policy regulation could force Facebook Uber Twitter and so on to a live third-party applications to plug into them
= allow third- party applications to plug into Big Tech
comment : - we may not even need that - the following workflow can provide one possible alternative constellation that allow us to control the social settings in a way that supports autonomy of self-assertion in emergent interpersonal networks
envision : workflow - ONE creates a post on an existing social network like LinkedIn - mirror the post in ONE's own IndyWeb - provide link to that permanent self-owned version of the post - invite people ONE is already connected with on existing social networks - follow each other - meaning that one get's alerted of any post they make on existing social networks - that are mirrored in their own IdyWeb - comment on, annotate each other's post - and provide additional links to the very context - to which these posts are interconnected - including the ability to discover other people - to join the IndyNet
Deep contradiction of our age the 02:05:13 sociologist Sigmund Bauman wrote in 1999 is the yawning gap between the right of self-assertion and the capacity to control the social settings which render 02:05:24 such self-assertion feasible
= deep contradiction, gap - between the right of self-assertion - and the capacity to control social settings - which render such self-assertion possible
= Sigmund Bauman
comment :freedom of speech is a matter of freedom of reach
organic longtail networks and conversations anchored in global networks
comment : Indie Web notion of POSSE - recast : "publish on own server, syndicate elsewhere" - provide links to owned social network for post shared on big tech let followers join the new network with zero friction and control their own social settings from then on

assembling a constellation of Alternatives that can lay claim to the space they currently 02:06:43 occupy Because unless the platforms we use every day are transparent Democratic can open then it's not us controlling our 02:06:55 own social settings
= assembling Constellation of Alternatives - lay claim to the space - unless the platform we use everyday are - transparent - allowing us to controlling our own social settings
imperative instead that we engage in more experiments in Alternatives and the politics that supports those 02:06:31 experiments
= experiment - constellation of Alternatives
IndyWeb/Nety/Lab
if you've ever used Microsoft Word alternative Libra office it can open and save dot doc files Microsoft file 01:57:15 formats
= interoperability
= libre office
Senator Mark Warner suggests legislation that would force platforms with revenues over 100 million dollars to comply with portability rules
= portability rules - force platforms
interoperability would mean that you could use an alternative to Facebook that still works with Facebook allowing you to keep access to your social network to post to Facebook or Instagram 02:04:39 or Twitter while using new platforms at the same time so that they had to interact with one another and you could support a space for experiments in new ways of running platforms
= interoperability - would mean - could use an alternative - that still works - allowing one to accerss one's social network - to post there - while using new platforms - space for experiments
interoperability May hold the key to how to challenge big Tech monopolies
= interoperability - hold the key to - how to challenge big Tech monopolies
incumbents who are protected by amongst other things what's been described as their Network effect the more people that use a platform like Facebook the bigger they become and the more valuable 02:01:15 they are to use this means there's a cost to leaving Twitter to join Mastodon because everyone you want to follow is on Twitter
= network effects - incumbents - cost to leaving twitter to join Mastodon - everyone you want to follow is on Twitter
screws plugs banking systems and internet protocols interoperability ensures in part that dominant corporations can't dominate the 01:57:28 market further by forcing their own interfaces and squeezing out competitors
= interoperability - forcing own interfaces - squeezing out competitors
interoperability is an important feature of everyday life that often goes unnoticed and unappreciated simple examples are Railways and airports that have to share the same track gauge or 01:57:02 signaling or air traffic control protocols
= interroperability
forced to adopt interoperability the opening of their apis so that third-party software 01:54:53 could more easily interact with the windows ecosystem
= interoperability
= API
interoperabilit
= interoperability
turned into some onerous subscription-fee service that will steamroll the human creators of the source material. This is Silicon Valley again making a show of preparing to devour its own tail.
preparing to devour its own tail
The End of the Silicon Valley Myth
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The End of the Silicon Valley Myth
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= PermaPlexes - documents are holonic networked structured content comprising - Associative Complexes of content - Structured using TrailMarks Clues
*opi near, at against
vision = OpiDox
documents go : - virtual - networked : connecting eventually everything - people : as autonomous actors in their own(ed) right - ideas - things - machine capabilities
next : - virtual documents - form = hypermedia spaces - that are - PermaPlexes
Virtual Documents - form = Permanent HyperMedia Spaces - that are - local first - private first - offline first - personal first - interpersonal - interplanetary - permanent - people centred - networked - with - verifiable provenance
referred to as = PermaMedia Spaces
these = PermaMedia Spaces are also - open - commons based - peer produced - high resolution (intent|meaning)fully addressable - where the intent|meaning is situationally explicated - along with the means of structuring, processing, interpretation and morphic lively presentation/affordances
with : re- - capitulable history (con|in)ceptual, ontogeny, philogeny, origin|inceptions and evolutions - that are - sumable - playable at any desired levels of detail/salience - mixable - factorable - conciliable - ndred commensurable
*opi "near, at, against" (source also of Sanskrit api
*opi near, at against
vision = OpiDox
documents go : - virtual - networked : connecting eventually everything - people : as autonomous actors in their own(ed) right - ideas - things - machine capabilities
= hypermedia spaces - that are - local first - private first - offline first - personal first - interpersonal - interplanetary - permanent - people centred - networked - with - verifiable provenance - open - commons based - peer produced - high resolution (intent|meaning)fully addressable - where the intent|meaning is situationally explicated - along with the means of structuring, processing, interpretation and morphic lively presentation/affordances
= interpersonal computing

Computimes. (May 31, 1990). Interpersonal computing – the third revolution? Archived April 29, 2016, at the Wayback Machine. New Straits Times. (230), 20; Schlender, B. R., Alpert, M. (February 12, 1990). Schlender, Brenton R. (February 12, 1990). "Who's ahead in the computer wars". CNN. Archived from the original on November 29, 2020. Retrieved August 3, 2020.. Fortune.
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"Interpersonal computing is going to revolutionize human communications and groupwork", Jobs told reporters.
= interpersonal computing
The Interpersonal Web

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rational hope is something we need to 01:06:30 try to generate
Rational hope
careening between these two 01:03:15 polls we we have uh paralysis by analysis and then we we have impulsivity
Careening between Paralysis by analysis impulsivity
become a wanton
Wanton
can shape ourselves and shape our environment to fiti to hit each other
Shape ourselves environment
wisdom's not optional
Wisdom not optional
susceptible to self-deceptive self-destructive Behavior
Self I destructive behaviour
don't have a designated 01:01:58 ecological niche
No designated ecological niche
our greatest adaptivity is culture
Adaptivity culture
Degenerative cultural change
kolakovsky he calls this the self-poisoning of open Society
Self-poisoning of open society
good institution need to be complemented with the need to cultivate wisdom in the 00:52:36 citizenry
Institution wisdom citizenry
have your own little 00:50:26 rabbit hole metaphysics
Rabbit hole metaphysics
opponent processing
opponent processing
unless you put 00:50:14 that experience with in a sapiential framework
experience within a sapiential framework
psychedelics because people are seeking a non-propositional transformation of their perspectival and participatory knowing a sense of coming 00:50:01 into the really real of being in contact with something that's transformative self-transcendent
Psychedelic - non-propositional tranformation - perspectival & participatory knowing - sense coming into - really real of being - in contact with - transformative self-transcendent
flock to Earth sets pseudo substitutes
flock to ersatz pseudo substitutes
cultivation of wisdom and and meaning and those two are inherently bound together
Wisdom & meaning bound together
most of the meaning making is not taking place at the propositional level
Meaning not propositional
Reawakening us to our deep Humanity
Deep humanity
best you can ever do is Glimpse the sun you can't look directly at it because you'll blind yourself
Glimpses of the sun
ability to zero in on what's relevant or important
Zero in relevant important
tragic vision and the other one is the utopian Vision
Tragic vs utopian vision
opponent processing
Opponent processing
home is right are you really connected well to yourself to other people and the world
Home being connected
transcend into reality as it constantly discloses unexpected and unpredicted possibilities
transcendental into reality - disclose unpredicted realities
xref : novelty bearing self I actualisation growth qualitative
Learning adjacent possibility
self-transcendence emphasizes more the learning
Learning self-transendence
self-correction and self-transcendence are the same
Self-correction -transcendence
democracy it at least as I read it is an auto poetic system
Auto poetic system
Perpetual self-transcendence
fittedness that connectedness is what your sense of sacredness is
Fittedness
evolve your evolvability as much as possible
Evolve evolvability
Responsive to change flourish
misunderstood Transcendence as a 00:29:51 maximization process
Not - maximization process
stop thinking of the sacred as completion and perfection
Sacredness - not completion, perfection
reconfigure 00:28:47 Transcendence and Transcendence is only meaningful if you have some sense of sacredness where I take sacredness to mean I've encountered something more real the really real
reconfigure transcendence - sacredness - more real
use 00:25:23 argumentation but it has to be argumentation that is situated in and exemplifies an entire way of life that is attractive to people
Way of life
Cross purpose
debates
not at the level of propositional claims and arguments they were at the level of my world view is better than your world view
Better world view
community of communities
meta level of a shared grammar of how you put together an Ecology of practices
Meta level shared grammar
create a meta curriculum
Optimal shareable Ecologies of practice
xref : Deep Humanity
communities are spontaneously emerging and putting together these ecology practices
communities, ecology of practices emerging
stealing the culture
?
the religion that's not a religion
religion
reconceive of the Sacred and sacredness within that um in a way that is completely consonant uh with sort of our best Cutting Edge cognitive science
reconceive sacredness - consonant with cutting edge Cognitive Science
contemplative practices perhaps the movement practices you know taoism has Tai Chi Chuan
contemplative movement practices - Tai Chi Chuan - Qi Gong
cynical quest for power
nihilism that undermines the very possibility of intelligibility
nihilism undermine intelligibility
Primacy of free speech
religion it's a in itself it's meaningless
Ain't so
field for the 00:04:05 permanent generation of meaning
field for generation of meaning
participatory level
meta meaning system a meta meaning system is a fundamental way in which the agent and Arena are fitted together
meta meaning system - agent & arena fit together - affordances for action come up
propositional tyranny
=
knowing is
= knowing
there is no political solution to our troubled Evolution
= no political solution troubled eveolution
meaning crisis
=
e End of the Silicon Valley Mythe companies that de ne our digital lives have hit a wall.
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Distal Information
= distal information - how far things are?
= distal cues
horizontal, vertical, distal
name = 3 D space dimension * horizontal * vertical * distal
relative to a given view point!
distal referring to "distant" points
= Effective/Interactive/Experiential Concept Spaces - how attention explores/creates the space we inhabit
related = viewport
vertical ultimately from vertex "highest point"
etymology = vertical - from = vertex - "highest point"
horizontal from horizon
etymoloigy : horizontal - from : horizon
with distal referring to "distant" points.
gloss = distall - refers to : "distant" points
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logicians are also considering the possibility of procedural semantics for logic.
procedural semantics for logic
J.C.R. Licklider for emphasizing the im- portance of mediating procedure calls.
Licklider mediating procedure calls
Jack Dennis for sharing many of our same goals in his COMMON BASE LANGUAGE and for his emphasis on logical clarity of lanquage definition and the importance of parallelism.
Jack Dennis logical clarity of language definition
importan ce of parallelismn
Jeff Rulifson, Bruce Adnerson, Gregg Pfister, and Julian Davies showed us how to clean up and generalize certain aspects of PLANNER-71.
Jeff Rulifson clean up and generalize
PORT which we have generalized into an ACTOR.
port generalized into an actor
John McCarthy for making the first circular definition of an effective problem solving formalism and for emphasizing the importance of the epistemological problem for artificial intelligence.
McCarthy first circular definition of an effective problem solving formalism
Alan emphasized the crucial importance of using intentional de- finitions of data structures and of passing messages to them.
Alan Kay intentional definition of data structures and passing messages to them
"A data structure is nothing but a stupid programming language".
data structure stupid programming language
"Everything of importance has been said before by somebody who did not discover it." Alfred North Whitehead
importance said by somebody who did not discover it
The REPERTOIRE of a configuration defines what the configuration does as opposed to how it does it
Repertoire
input audience I and output audience
input audience I
output audience O
actor induction.
actor induction
Every actor can have monitors which get to read every message that is sent to the actor.
monitors gety to read every message that is sent toi the actor
Need to conceptualize a computational system where human beings can act as autnonomous human actors in their own right
articulate their intents echange messages most if our aimed at concsumption modifications comnmenting by other human beings as part of conversations
computational actors vs human actors
Sending a message to an actor is entirely free of side effects such as those in the message mechanism of the current SMALL TALK machine of Alan Kay
sending messages to an actors is entirely free of side effects
as in Small Talk Alan Kay
ending messages between actors is a universal control primitive
sending messages universal control primitive
We define a HISTORY to be a strict partial “order of events with the transitive ciosure of the partial ordering
history partial order of events
Conceptually at least a new actor is created every time a message is sent.
conceptually a new actor is created every time a message is sent
The definition of a name, access to a name, and allocation of storage are decoupled.
definition access storage for a name are decoupled
Each actor has complete control over the names he uses.
Actor has control over the the names he uses
The intentions are written in the same formalism as the procedures they describe. Thus intentions can have intentions.
intentions can have intentions
Every actor has an INTENTION which checks that the prerequisites and the context of the actor being sent the message are satisfied.
Acror has an INTENTION
An actor is always invoked uniformly in exactly the same way
uniform invocation or processes on behalf of human actors!
research in natural and effective means for embedding knowledge in procedures.
Perhaps we need to approach it from the other end:
Devise constellations for co-laborative processes that can support the creation and growth of knowledge as mutual learning, symmathesy, where the stigmercgic "trails will never fade"
“Programs should not only work, but they should appear to work as well."
Using Simonyi's idea about programming is the oppeiste of diamond mining.
In programming we start with the intent, and bury it in the dirt of gratuitous complications. encoding out original intent in terms of ad hoc processing of representations where the original intent is lost and b urried
Mindfullnes mediation
Preview Next Diagram that shows the links and jumps - just the one level deep currently - e.g. SupraAggregates
Problems define their own solutions and names
I think the basic unit of comprehension and machine supported recall os not nodes and edges but what we called associattivbe complexes back in the days of WikiNizer that is all linked pages going your and comming in. But the key point is that all links are qualified named intent/aspects/whatever in a meta level MindPlex
Call such a thing a Plex so instead of MindGrap0h we care about MindPlexes
If we add the people who creates these articulation the interpersonal netwoirked content in context forming built out our Plexes a referde to as MindPlexus

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= Alan Karp
Object Oriented program and
Globally addressable objects
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Open Source Distributed Capabilities

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Publish Action
Frontend ToolingGet ready for a development environment that can finally catch up with you.
Hot Module Replacement (HMR)
= Hot Module Replacement (HMR)
Vite pre-bundles dependencies using esbuild
pre-bundle dependencies
silky-smooth user experience out of the box
silky-smooth experience
clone-and-go template for building a web application using Webnative
clone-and-go template
Webnative Examples
Authorized Wire Authenticated Key Exchange (AWAKE) Specification v0.1.1
AWAKE
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