with distal referring to "distant" points.
gloss = distall - refers to : "distant" points
with distal referring to "distant" points.
gloss = distall - refers to : "distant" points
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logicians are also considering the possibility of procedural semantics for logic.
procedural semantics for logic
J.C.R. Licklider for emphasizing the im- portance of mediating procedure calls.
Licklider mediating procedure calls
Jack Dennis for sharing many of our same goals in his COMMON BASE LANGUAGE and for his emphasis on logical clarity of lanquage definition and the importance of parallelism.
Jack Dennis logical clarity of language definition
importan ce of parallelismn
Jeff Rulifson, Bruce Adnerson, Gregg Pfister, and Julian Davies showed us how to clean up and generalize certain aspects of PLANNER-71.
Jeff Rulifson clean up and generalize
PORT which we have generalized into an ACTOR.
port generalized into an actor
John McCarthy for making the first circular definition of an effective problem solving formalism and for emphasizing the importance of the epistemological problem for artificial intelligence.
McCarthy first circular definition of an effective problem solving formalism
Alan emphasized the crucial importance of using intentional de- finitions of data structures and of passing messages to them.
Alan Kay intentional definition of data structures and passing messages to them
"A data structure is nothing but a stupid programming language".
data structure stupid programming language
"Everything of importance has been said before by somebody who did not discover it." Alfred North Whitehead
importance said by somebody who did not discover it
The REPERTOIRE of a configuration defines what the configuration does as opposed to how it does it
Repertoire
input audience I and output audience
input audience I
output audience O
actor induction.
actor induction
Every actor can have monitors which get to read every message that is sent to the actor.
monitors gety to read every message that is sent toi the actor
Need to conceptualize a computational system where human beings can act as autnonomous human actors in their own right
articulate their intents echange messages most if our aimed at concsumption modifications comnmenting by other human beings as part of conversations
computational actors vs human actors
Sending a message to an actor is entirely free of side effects such as those in the message mechanism of the current SMALL TALK machine of Alan Kay
sending messages to an actors is entirely free of side effects
as in Small Talk Alan Kay
ending messages between actors is a universal control primitive
sending messages universal control primitive
We define a HISTORY to be a strict partial “order of events with the transitive ciosure of the partial ordering
history partial order of events
Conceptually at least a new actor is created every time a message is sent.
conceptually a new actor is created every time a message is sent
The definition of a name, access to a name, and allocation of storage are decoupled.
definition access storage for a name are decoupled
Each actor has complete control over the names he uses.
Actor has control over the the names he uses
The intentions are written in the same formalism as the procedures they describe. Thus intentions can have intentions.
intentions can have intentions
Every actor has an INTENTION which checks that the prerequisites and the context of the actor being sent the message are satisfied.
Acror has an INTENTION
An actor is always invoked uniformly in exactly the same way
uniform invocation or processes on behalf of human actors!
research in natural and effective means for embedding knowledge in procedures.
Perhaps we need to approach it from the other end:
Devise constellations for co-laborative processes that can support the creation and growth of knowledge as mutual learning, symmathesy, where the stigmercgic "trails will never fade"
“Programs should not only work, but they should appear to work as well."
Using Simonyi's idea about programming is the oppeiste of diamond mining.
In programming we start with the intent, and bury it in the dirt of gratuitous complications. encoding out original intent in terms of ad hoc processing of representations where the original intent is lost and b urried
Mindfullnes mediation
Preview Next Diagram that shows the links and jumps - just the one level deep currently - e.g. SupraAggregates
Problems define their own solutions and names
I think the basic unit of comprehension and machine supported recall os not nodes and edges but what we called associattivbe complexes back in the days of WikiNizer that is all linked pages going your and comming in. But the key point is that all links are qualified named intent/aspects/whatever in a meta level MindPlex
Call such a thing a Plex so instead of MindGrap0h we care about MindPlexes
If we add the people who creates these articulation the interpersonal netwoirked content in context forming built out our Plexes a referde to as MindPlexus

= - trail
From Chris "cdata" Joel @ Subconscious to Everyone 07:58 PM http://skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html From Alan Karp to Everyone 07:59 PM http://erights.org/

= Alan Karp
Object Oriented program and
Globally addressable objects
=- bible
From Chris "cdata" Joel @ Subconscious to Everyone 07:58 PM http://skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html From Alan Karp to Everyone 07:59 PM http://erights.org/
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asked in chat
From Me to Everyone 07:39 PM I do have one question From Jess Martin to Everyone 07:40 PM @gyuri: if it doesn't get covered in this call, feel free ask in the fission Discord and tag me, as I have a feeling I was on the livestream of which you speak 🙂 From Blaine Cook to Everyone 07:40 PM 💯 From Me to Everyone 07:41 PM I reallu liked the idea of no signup needed to control wenbative identity. This may have implications to the way the whole webnative SDK based app are to be created/distributed and thought off. Any comments would be apprefiatd. This may not be the right forum, but it is live From Brooklyn Zelenka (@expede) to Everyone 07:42 PM Im checking in sorry folks gimme a minute From Me to Everyone 07:42 PM Yes will do.
Open Source Distributed Capabilities

Clone and use a GitHub repository in Visual Studio Code
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Publish Action
Frontend ToolingGet ready for a development environment that can finally catch up with you.
Hot Module Replacement (HMR)
= Hot Module Replacement (HMR)
Vite pre-bundles dependencies using esbuild
pre-bundle dependencies
silky-smooth user experience out of the box
silky-smooth experience
clone-and-go template for building a web application using Webnative
clone-and-go template
Webnative Examples
Authorized Wire Authenticated Key Exchange (AWAKE) Specification v0.1.1
AWAKE
neat!

https://dmccreary.medium.com/integrating-siloed-personal-knowledge-graphs-d0e68bd06685
original : Integrating siloed personal knowledge graphs

Integrating Siloed Personal Knowledge Graphs
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Human-centered Machine Learning: a Machine-in-the-loop ApproachIn 1950, Alan Turing asked the question: “can machines think?” This question has inspired excellent research in the area of artificial
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Machine-in-the-loop where humans take full agency and machines play a supporting role, e.g., machines can provide suggestions to inspire creativity and help writers overcome cognitive inertia.
Human-centered Machine Learning: a Machine-in-the-loop Approach
Jordan Hall@jgreenhallCould chatgpt take a transcript of a dialogue and produce a map of the concepts discussed? If a given concept was substantially evolved over a series of such dialogues, could it produce a Wikipedia entry reifying the concept at the end of the series?2:11 PM · Dec 15, 20227 Retweets1 Quote Tweet77 Likes

Content Addressability is Magic
self-governing, fair, and accountable
independent of monopolistic and bureaucratic power structures
power structures
individuals have control over their data and how they interact and transact
Discover Cardano
the first and most easiest thing to change is actually us not our Energy Systems
change us not our energy systems
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I call them the Arcadians
= arcadians
propel things of value through the upcoming constraints in the coming 100 years.
propel : things of value
The Bottlenecks of the 21st Century
book :
meaning what we say at all levels
say what u mean
let go of materialism
= materialism
what do we have to learn?
and learn it
industrial version of an organic farm
Organic industry
handle information
is broken
UN Biodiversity Conference

It’s Time for Biodiversity’s Paris Moment

Integrating Siloed Personal Knowledge GraphsCritical steps in improving the productivity of enterprise note-taking

A mashup is
gloss = mashup - web- or desktop- application that combines information and/or services from one or more external sources
flip : that - all content is obtained through communication with other people, so there is a universal uniform way of obtaining data - since all content has its own self-describing structure and intent - they are readily amenable not only to create mashups - but remixes, and even collaboration - in this sense each individual IndiVerse is an emergent social mashup not only of content from social ties but the "application" themselves are just such a mashup of mashups
User Model Interoperability (UMI)
= User Model Interoperability
flip : that - Universal Extensible Self-certified self-enabled - intentional content model with explicitly named class free mixins as ad hoc on the flie coevolving "types" - where content is explicitly structured - qualified items and properties in nested contents + - and applicable intents are marked out - these intents are universally available - extensible, future proof, malleable, remixable etc
gloss = TrailMarks - object model - born exchangeability, interoiperability reusabillity
flip : API - instead of APIs - make explicit both - the structure and intended interpretation - of content - explicit - impending outgoing trailmarks shapes - such that co-operating processes can readilyt - recall met-information - so that people can readilty configure - their own interpretation without resorting to programming - introduce their own intent and - devise born exchangeable morphic live objects - that make the intent executable
bridge thegap across their presence in different communities
bridge : the gap - across : presence - in : different applications
Socialfeatures can be combined with domain-specific applications
= social features - combined with = domain-specific applications
evelop social ties among each other
= develop social ties
shareconten
=
personalized mashups of social networking sites.
= personalized mashup of social networking sites
A User-Centric Authentication and Privacy ControlMechanism for User Model Interoperability in SocialNetworking Sites
= User-Centric Authentication
= User Model Interoperability in social Networking sites
the m n d follo& an associ'arive t r d l , but ~t should I&pos-sible to best the mind decisively In regard to the permanence andclarity of the items resurrected from stonge
Key passages:
Man cannot hope fully to duplicate this mental process artificially ...
One cannot hope thus to equal the speed and flexibility with which the mind follow an associative trail, but it should be possible to beat the mind decisively in regard to the permanence and clarity of the items resurrected from storage**
end users are in control
People are actors as hubs weaving their own(ed|) networks of trust connecting people, ideas and online capabilities and experiences
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The root node combines
= root node - combines : all the CIDs - of - descendant = nodes
= forms - final = CID - called : root CID
comment : dohow - combine markdown for fonts with the three TrailMakrs mark in notation markers
the intent is clear from the mark in notation bolds and italics are there for visual emphasis.
These markdown elements can then be used to generate highlights in the text being annotated automatically
without balance requirements.
= Merkle-DAG - like Merkle-tree
When content is added to IPFS
For example
comment - do how - instead of highlighting by hand which is tedious - could use bold font in the text - and have that transferred into highlights - for properties use italic*
finally present
= a performance evaluation - of = IPFS - content retrievals in IPFS are - slower than = direct HTTP access - = delays - are still reasonable for a number of use cases.
comment - do how - and of course highlight things marked with =
We find that
= IPFS infrastructure deployed - in over 2700 = Autonomous Systems - across 464 = IP addresses
We make
= datasets &
= tooling
publicly available
no individualentity operates
the entirety of = IPFS
decentralized nature of IPFS
vital to =
We propose three complementary measurement methodolo-gies
propose 3 = complementary methodologies
vantage point into = & - deployment, - usage - performance - of the = IPFS network
We present
design & implementation - of = IPFS
publish & retrieve = content at scale
Openparticipation
= Open participation - anybody can deploy an IPFS node - participate in the network - without requiring = special permission or privileges
contributions
IPFS relies on
= IPFS - relies on - cryptographic hashing - to self-certify objects
removing need for = certificate-based authentication - hence = verifiability
Figure 3: IPFS publication and retrieval

Direct Connection Upgrade through Relay
https://hypothes.is/a/HR6TCnlQEe2Ll2dtpdwBsg
NAT hole-punching solutio
= in development https://hypothes.is/a/HR6TCnlQEe2Ll2dtpdwBsg
entirely decentralized content-addressable media objectstorage and retrieval platform.
storing andserving media objects at scale
storing and serving = media objects - at scale
provide greater control forusers
Give greater control for People, Players not users (of centralized services
PeerTube
= - video sharing
Mastodon
= - micro blogging
“Decentralized Web”.
growing movement = - colloquially referred to as =
The monetary costs incurred during outages
monetary cost - of = outages
question ?
whose losses Amazon's or all the affected eCommerce players?
widespread chaos during outages
= chaos - during = outages
single points of organizational failure
= services - represent = single points of organizatioinal failure
growing centralization of web systems
=
consolidation of ownership andoperation
=
CCS CONCEPTS
= CCS Concepts
https://hypothes.is/a/lvsxJHkoEe2i3F-7maxAKg

We further evaluate IPFS performance
performance = IPFS
acceptable : publication & retrieval delays - for a wide range of use cases
IPFS)— an open-source, content-addressable peer-to-peer network
= IPFS - open source - content-addressable - peer-to-peer network
provides - distributed data storage & delivery
IPFS has millionsof daily content retrievals
has = IPFS - millions of daily contentretrievals & - underpins dozens of third-party applications
This paper describes
describe : IPFS - design - implementation - = Decentralized Web Platform - largest & most widely used
“Decentralized Web” attempts to distribute ownershi
distribute = Decentralized Web - ownership & - operation of web services - more evenly
B. Y. Zhao et al. “Tapestry: A resilient global-scale overlayfor service deployment”
= Tapestry - resilient - global scale overlay - for = service deployment
Named Data Networking (NDN)
= Named Data Networking
Design and Evaluation of IPFS:A Storage Layer for the Decentralized Web
Design and Evaluation of IPFS:A Storage Layer for the Decentralized Web

AUGMENTING HUMAN INTELLECT: A CONCEPTUAL ... - DTIC
=
improving the intellectual effectiveness of theindividual human being
a new and systematic approach to improving the intellectual effectiveness of the individual human being.
makes sure that both nodes sendtheir respective SYN packets at the same time.
SYN packet sent at the same time
Hole punching succeeded for 86% of the attempts on TCP
hole punching success rate 86% for TCP
the relay serveris used to coordinate a hole punch through these two NATs.
= relays server - coordinates : a hole punch
Figure 3
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Figure 2: Connection Reversal (after [ 6]): Node 𝑌 connects to therelay server (1.) and asks it to relay a connection to node 𝑋 (2.). Afterexchanging their respective addresses in the CONNECT messageof the DCUtR protocol, 𝑋 first dials 𝑌 directly (3.). This connectionattempt only succeeds if 𝑌 is a public node
= Connection Reversal connection attempt requires public node
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Decentralized Hole Punching
=

at least a small fraction of nodes isnot located behind a firewall or a NAT.
nodes not behind firewall or a NAT
address discoveryand relaying protocols
=
at least one (anyarbitrary) node to bootstrap peer discovery. The key insight is thatthe protocols used for hole punching, namely address discoveryand relaying protocols, can be built such that their resource require-ments are negligible. This makes it feasible for any participant inthe network to run these, thereby enabling the coordination of holepunch attempts, assuming that at least a small fraction of nodes isnot located behind a firewall or a NAT.
ceenabled by default on IPFS nodes behind NATs and/or firewalls,we plan to conduct comprehensive measurements, evaluating holepunching success across the entire heterogeneous IPFS network
hole punching for IPFS nodes behind NATS and firewalls
One of the most important features of Plex is the ability to let you access your content whenever you want from wherever you are. That means not only at home, but also at work, at a friend’s house, on vacation, etc. To do that, you need to be able to access your Plex Media Server when away from your local network.
= Plex Media Server
= Plex TV
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Amazon.com Goes Down, Loses $66,240 Per Minute
Obviously they talk about losses for Amazon
not consequential losses

"An efficient method for checking object-orienteddatabase schema correctness,"
comment - the example given shows that the most important concept in the title - cannot be reflected in the classification scheme - considering the centrality of the concepts of schema scheme to the entire field it is not in the sclassification scheme as such
he more specific the concept thebetter.
the more specific the better
tension : - the more specific a term is the more likely to be relevant in many contexts
Identify the lowest branches ofthe tree that seem to apply to your particular paper.
identify lowest branches
HOW TO CLASSIFY WORKS USING ACM’S COMPUTING CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM
title :
Beware of a common pitfall
= pitfalls
The question to ask is, "Would someone look forthis key word or phrase in an index?"
comment
looking for a key word without indicating intent and context is not enough
For a PDF version
Naming and addressing
question - Why only in - Network Architectures & - Network Services
comment - naming is at the heart of computing everywhere
ACM Computing Classification System
from : IPFS DWeb Storage Layer

Networks
networks
It relies on a semantic vocabulary
relies on = Semantic Vocabulary - single source of categories & concepts
reflect the : state of the art of the computing discipline a
receptive to : structural change - as it evolves in the future.
The 2012 ACM Computing Classification System
= - a poly-hierarchical ontology - in semantic web applications
ranging from the learning
ranging from - learning of publicly available knowledge - by an individual knower - -to the = evolution of scientific knowledge
comments - what's missing is mutual learning through social interaction collaboration in a way that itself is stuigmergic, make the learning ltrails themselves permanent. re-callable, re-exeminable, extensible, re0mixable, re-usable and re-discover able, efforts are readily re-sumable as attention turns to them
paving the way to the accelerated growth of knowledge in trust networks for trust where the context of discovery and the justification is not separated but grow together
Dynamical-, Embodied-, Extended-, Distributed-, and Situ-ated- approaches
= DEED
no reference to : Michael Polanyi although uses the words : - knower & - dynamic tacit dimension
no reference to : - articulation
one use of the word : articulate
xref : DEEDS
termed the DEEDS
acronym = DEEDS
a loose and internally fluid - philosophical & - empirical coalition comprising
the
approaches to knowledge and cognition.
reject the cognitivist view of mind and itsemphasis on symbolic representatio
reject = cognitivist view of mind - emphasis on symbolic representation
from : https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.cogsys.2007.06.009
https://indyhub.files.fission.name/p/pdf/?Stigmergic%20Epistemology
What’s in a Pod?A Knowledge Graph Interpretation For The Solid Ecosystem
server-to-server interactions where there isn’t really the distinction between who is the client and who is the server
server to server
no client
APIs are like waiters - part deux
fully-discoverable APIs that enable autonomous interoperability between machines.
= fully-discoverable APIs - - for = autonomous interoperability between machines
comment : - on closer inspection the model here is - conversational exchange - much like we do it for people as autonomous actors in their own(ed) networks
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Design and Evaluation of IPFS: A Storage Layer for the Decentralized Web
IPFS - Content Addressed, Versioned, P2P File System
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Having googled this a ton, I’ve determined that it is not presently possible to sync localStorage between the multiple instances of Safari or Chrome that a user is logged into.
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represent a sufficiently interesting experiment, because it accepts too much as settled
Mastodon accepts too much settled.
Yes it is not a compromise it is a bloody surrender
account
The problem is with the idea of creating accounts
When you tell me about Twitter vs. Mastodon, I hear that you got rid of the flesh-eating piranhas and replaced them with federated flesh-eating piranhas. No thanks, I’m still not swimming in that pool!
= federated flesh eating piranas
Don't settle for Mastodon
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Let 2023 be a year of experimentation and invention!
started the experimentation 5 years ago re-imagining the Web based on
the Permanent Hypermedia Protocol for the Web IPFs
from a Named Data Network to Named Everything Networ connectiong people ideas and machine capabilities
what won't work would be a total disaster is 00:15:24 I'm gonna make up a term here API
API on the Web won't ever work

Need a new conceptualization of how the web works
It is possible to devise a Named Intent Layer over the HyperMedia Protocol for the Pernanent Web IPFs
Where Does Growth Come From? | Clayton Christensen | Talks at Google
It is revolutionizing human to human communication in group work we call it inter personal computing.

Gilder is outraged by Google’s lack of attention to security, in multiple senses of the word — customer security, software security, military security. Blockchain will fix all of this — somehow. It just does, okay?
Yes it does
creativity cannot result without human consciousness
Yes, and consciousness is more than electric signals in brain matter
“The new era will move beyond Markov chains of disconnected probabilistic states to blockchain hashes of history and futurity, trust and truth,” apparently.
APIs are like waiters - or are they?
Metaphors We Live By: George Lakoff and Mark Johnson
An example of a holonomic constraint can be seen in a mathematical pendulum.
pendulum degree 1
We cannot rewrite this to an equality, so this is a non-holonomic, scleronomous constraint.

estrictedmathematics to the study of concrete operations on finite or potentially (butnot actually) infinite structures
potentially but not actually infinite
The term is employed here to encompass a wide spectrum of views, including strict finitism,intuitionism, and predicativism. Poincaré adhered to the latter standpoint, while Weyl began as apredicativist but later embraced a form of intuitionism
nuPRL John Derric 1990? Leeds University John V. Tucker
And fi-nally constructivists,5 including Hermann Weyl and Henri Poincaré, restrictedmathematics to the study of concrete operations on finite or potentially (butnot actually) infinite structures; completed infinite totalities, together with im-predicative definitions that made implicit reference to such, were rejected, aswere indirect proofs based on the Law of Excluded Middle
constructivist
= strict finitism
for mathematical truth – and indeed for the very existence of mathematicalentities – was that of the consistency of the underlying systems, since theypresumed that any consistent, complete theory would be categorical, that is,would (up to isomorphism) characterize a unique domain of objects.
categorical unique objects
Strict Finitism and the Logic of Mathematical Applications
Strict Finitism and the Logic of Mathematical Applications [electronic resource] / by Feng Ye. By: Ye, Feng.
EP 48 – INTERVIEW – BORIS MANN – CO-FOUNDER AND CEO – FISSION
individualist nature of intelligence
=
do collective action and decision making at scale 00:35:54 um and could that you know is that an intentional super could it does an intentional super organism is it possible well i think that
Collective action at scale
Super organism
if you can execute a task that is intelligence
I thought it was maximizing future choices
collectivism for the 00:30:04 decentralized web
=
collective navigation of large amounts 00:29:39 of data in ways that are curated but credibly neutral
Curated but credibly neutral
how do we make a like button for the internet
= like button for the internet
Ambient conversations
persuasive is the notion of indirect 00:28:19 coordination so because we all happen to be interested in the same topic and to be working on it along different dimensions doesn't mean that we have to agree on anything or collapse our projects into one or impose one upon the
indirect coordination