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  1. Nov 2023
  2. Oct 2023
    1. being able to recognize a double bind is wonderful it's a really good thing to know how to do 01:16:29 um like I said it won't solve it for you but it will keep it from tearing you in half and that's something yeah so generally you have to do a jump 01:16:40 or come from another context the response to double bind is never on either side of the bind like never which is so hard in a culture that is 01:16:54 completely committed to linear strategic change making and solving if the if the solution looks nothing like the problem
      • for: quote, quote - Nora Bateson, quote - double bind

      • quote: Nora Bateson

        • being able to recognize a double bind is wonderful it's a really good thing to know how to do
        • it won't solve it for you but it will keep it from tearing you in half and that's something
        • generally you have to do a jump or come from another context
          • the response to double bind is never on either side of the bind, like never, which is so hard in a culture that is completely committed to linear strategic change making and solving if the if the solution looks nothing like the problem
    2. the individuals are carrying the load for the poly crisis
      • for: quote, quote - Nora Bateson, quote - polycrisis - individual

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        • the individual is carrying the load for the polycrisis
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        • the individual is carrying the load of the polycrisis but it is unfair
    3. this is what happens when we don't tend to the whole um 00:28:38 things break the responses that get made get made to one part at a time and then those responses create more problems right so if you say okay we have to 00:28:57 address the climate change problem so clearly we have to stop producing carbon okay but um that sends the economy into complete failure
      • for: holism, polycrisis, quote, quote - Nora Bateson, quote - polycrisis, intertwingled problems

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        • This is what happens when we don't tend to the whole, things break. The responses that get made to one part at a time and then those responses create more problems.
        • So you say we have to address the climate change problem so clearly we have to stop producing carbon.
          • but that sends the economy into complete failure.
          • If you send the economy into complete failure, then you're going to not have health systems and people aren't going to support themselves and your going to have food crisis
    4. some people refer to the multiple contextual crises of this era as a poly 00:26:28 crisis some people refer to it as a meta crisis I prefer poly crisis but we won't get into that discussion today and this is what happens when 00:26:42 for a century and a half we have decontextualized our perception of the world and education is separated from politics 00:26:55 is separated from economics is separated from family is separated from ecology or the environment and now we have crises 00:27:06 looming and we have environmental crises we have got crises in the education system we've got crisis in the health systems
      • for: quote, quote - Nora Bateson, quote - polycrisis, decontextualized perceptions

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        • some people refer to the multiple contextual crises of this era as a polycrisis some people refer to it as a meta crisis I prefer poly crisis but we won't get into that discussion today and this is what happens when for a century and a half we have decontextualized our perception of the world and
          • education is separated from politics is separated from economics
          • is separated from family
          • is separated from ecology or the environment and now we have crises looming and we have environmental crises we have got crises in the education system we've got crisis in the health systems
      • author: Nora Bateson
    5. every time we try to pick at one piece of this polycrisis we end up actually creating problems in other contexts
      • for: polycrisis, quote, quote - polycrisis, quote - Nora Bateson

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        • every time we pick at one piece of those polycrisis we end up actually creating more problems in other contexts
      • author: Nora Bateson

      • example

        • climate change If we do, all emissions suddenly, we will create an economic crisis, then without money, a health and social crisis
      • for metacrisis - Nora Bateson, double bind - Nora Bateson, Nora Bateson double bind - Nora Bateson
    1. Moloch is a coordination failure where rational choices of individuals produce positive short-term effects for themselves at the expense of producing negative long-term effects for everyone, i.e. self-termination of humanity. Thus, Moloch is a system dynamics that is a cumulation of all the n-th order side effects that result from the totality of all self-interested "intelligent" action of all humans.
  3. Sep 2023
  4. Aug 2023
    1. how do you how do you think about what that community looks like and how you communicate that because in many senses you could say obviously you're hoping to build utopia 00:09:30 not dystopia right but but utopia and dystopia are different things with different people right and you could start out on this journey with uh with everyone saying we're going 00:09:42 to go to here point point a and then actually they decide their life changes they have a family or whatever they want to go over here and they put a lot of time into this or and equally point a could actually end up not looking like what they want to to be 00:09:55 part of how are you managing that journey for the people as part of the path
      • for: intentional community, intentional communities, DAO community, decentralized cities, Jonathan Hillis, Nora Bateson, intentional communities - failure
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        • this is a critical question
        • unfortunately, many people have tried living in intentional communities over many decades and the success rate is not high
        • listen to what Nora Bateson has to say about her experience of living in idealistic intentional communities and why they fail

      and

      https://hyp.is/ISC75i5JEe6lgW93D0Ye_A/docdrop.org/video/GE39xfNRRyw/

    1. I can tell you that   my experience is that intentional communities  are not only not fun, but a disaster.   00:51:53 And one of the reasons they're both not fun and  a disaster is that they have a mission statement.   They already know where they're going and there's  some abstracted map-like idea that everyone thinks   that they're cohering to. But then it turns  out that everyone actually interpreted that   differently and the way they interpreted it  yesterday changed. And so that thing becomes   00:52:16 the territory on which you are in polarity with  each other and not the thing that you agree about.   The thing you fight about most is the mission  statement.
      • for: ecological civilization
        • Nora Bateson
          • Nora shares about the many diverse intentional communities she has lived in and found them all dysfunctional.
          • The problem is that they have a mission statement, a purpose.
          • The perspectival knowing is different for each person.
          • How do you nurture unintentional community?
          • support unintentional possibility
          • top-down instructional is an unecological process
          • The question "who can you be when you are with me?" is preferred over "what should you be?"
  5. Jul 2023
      • for: ecological civilization, degrowth, futures, deep ecology, emptiness, polycrisis, human exceptionalism, planned descent
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      • Description

        • Nate hosts this discussion on what constitutes an ecological civilization with guests
          • William Rees
          • Rex Weyler
          • Nora Bateson
      • Reflections Overall,

        • an insightful discussion on the polycrisis and
        • reflections on what is in store for civilization.
      • There is consensus that
        • what we are experiencing has been decades in the making and
        • the solutions-oriented approach to solving problems has only treated the symptoms and indeed has made things worse.
      • There is a strong undercurrent of the emptiness in nature
      • Rex

        • emphasized the folly of human exceptionalism that has been socially normalized and which
        • continues to create the major separation that fuels the polycrisis.
        • Not recognizing that we are nature, not recognizing our animal nature
        • we look upon nature with an attitude of controlling nature, rather than flowing with her.
        • advocated Taoism as a more consistent way to frame nature rather than the reductionist, control methodology that separates us from nature.
      • Nora's perspective is the folly of abstraction that generates fixed preconceptions of aspects of nature that we then reify.

        • The fixed preconceptions are solidified but they are an oversimplified version of reality,
        • and that oversimplification leads to actualizing the cliche"a little knowledge is dangerous" into civilization
        • in other words, the continuous manufacture of progress traps.
      • William sees our impending crash as not only inevitable, but natural.

        • In this, he concurs with Rex's perspective.
        • Human beings are simply another species and like them,
          • we are susceptible to population explosions when negative feedbacks are removed,
          • which can lead to nature self-correcting with mass dieoff when resources are overconsumed.
    1. Where we get caught is thinking that  we can identify a static snapshot in   00:13:20 an ecological process and get control  over it, we can enact something upon it,   and thinking that we can do that toward what  has been perceived as a positive outcome.   Without recognizing that with all of these  different organisms that are changing each   other all the time, we're actually going to make  a mess.
      • for: progress trap

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        • progress trap
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            • Where we get caught is thinking that we can identify a static snapshot in an ecological process
            • and get control over it, we can enact something upon it,
            • and thinking that we can do that toward what has been perceived as a positive outcome.
            • Without recognizing that with all of these different organisms that are changing each other all the time,
            • we're actually going to make a mess. -author
            • Nora Bateson
  6. Feb 2023
      • Nora Bateson
      • great example of
      • warm data:
        • a doctor who used to visit her mother at her home home
          • the doctor's report of her mother's condition
          • make up the "cold data"
          • but it only told a part of the story
          • the other part of the story was not recorded in the formal medical transcripts
          • but was recorded in the living, breathing doctor
          • who experienced the conditions Nora's mother lived in
            • Was the room warm, or cold?
            • Was there a lot of family support?
            • Was there a lot of love in the human relationships? etc
  7. Nov 2021
    1. What is the word to describe how unseen, gradual processes come together to form life, vitality, healing, and ongoing learning?

      From the question arises the need to coin a new term, aphanipoiesis. The question is the definition.

    2. When change is sought through adaptation to existing systems, that change is sourced from the system itself. In this case, perpetuation is more likely than change.

      People are trying to change something that they cannot perceive. Therefore, the only changes that are apparent are incremental changes to the existing system. It is a catch-22.

  8. Oct 2021
    1. symmathetic writing

      The project is related to a word coined by Nora Bateson in her article, Symmathesy: A Word in Progress.