A reiteration of the 'help that showed up' and the effects it had on author and his environment.

I think author is wrong here. Depends on application scope. In law translation e.g. in the EU, where we have verdicts in 27 languages pertaining to the same market is key. In medicine it's not algogens but other AI that is being deployed, and scaled (e.g. wrt analysing imaging like radiology / mri etc.)

n:: Claudecode as 'the help that is showing up' consistently. This is what I observe too where it is used by individuals overcoming barriers to entry to make their personal tools. I think this may be relevant to understand those that turn to chatbots for advice too.

interesting observation, when the [[Assumed audience definieren 20211113212257]] is a machine the joy of writing diminishes. Not sure if I think of prompting / editing plans etc as writing, but I recognise the sentiment.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260405124348/https://taggart-tech.com/reckoning/

Michael Taggart on how it feels to him using algogens for coding.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260405092911/https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems blogpost by Andrew Murphy on how code generation is not the bottle neck in software production, and thus through Theory of Constraints, adding AI vibing will make things worse because it puts pressure on all bottlenecks after the point of code making (while their speed was not the issue to begin with).

Report 'Verantwoord vooruit, AP visie op generatieve AI verantwoord-vooruit-ap-visie-op-generatieve-ai2026 in Zotero

Autoriteit Persoonsgegevens over generative AI

key imo. generating code / material, can quickly mean loss of overview (I see how that happens in my use of #algogens if I don't explicitly counteract it), uncertainty about how demands were implemented, and thus what entry points for change there are.

Vibecoding and adjacent projects lead to loosing overview of your own work, no mental model of what you made as you would have otherwise. Extending something becomes harder over time, bc you don't know what you're actually extending from. This is a counter force (not counter argument I think) to the notion of genAI having deterministic automation as endpoint.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260215105347/https://simonwillison.net/2026/Feb/15/cognitive-debt/

Simon Willison on cognitive debt (the consequences of vibecoding more or less).

blogger Fabrizio Ferri Benedetti on their 4 modes of using AI in technical writing. - watercooler conversations, to get code explained - text suggestions while writing/coding (esp for repeating patterns in your work - providing context / constraints / intent to generate first drafts, restructure content, or boilerplate commentary etc. - a robotic assembly line, to do checks, tests and rewrites. MCP/skills involved.

Not either/or but switching between modes

A marriage annulled because, due to a ChatGPT generated speech, the legally required text to perform a message was not spoken and confirmed by the two people getting married.

TNO Vector rapport, #2025/12 overheidsbrede monitor generatieve AI.

perhaps that is the ultimate benefit we get from algogens: no need to ask someone else a) bc we don't really like asking for help or b) we fear interrupting a colleague. And it probably nicely mimicks busywork too.

Johannes Link and Jakob Schnell made this overview of ethical considerations around generative AI.

"Sell It Before You Make It: Revolutionizing E-Commerce with Personalized AI-Generated Items"

Paper on generated items for sale at Alibaba, not produced until it actually sells

Eindhoven monitors their network for the type of outgoing connections. Apparently that until now dit not include publicly available algogens

Great term for incorrect AI slop uncritically used by people, botshit. Beware of botshit: How to manage the epistemic risks of generative chatbots in Zotero

Richard Sutton on LLM dev: a) core problem is LLMs can't learn from use. Diff architecture necessary for continual learning b) if you've got continual learning then current big-bang training no longer useful. facit: LLM approach not sustainable and dead end.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250423134653/https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/publicaties/2025/04/22/het-overheidsbrede-standpunt-voor-de-inzet-van-generatieve-ai Rijksstandpunt genAI, mede gebaseerd op IEC advies IPO. Niettemin wordt het hier lijkt me behoorlijk vrij gegeven, en de formulering klinkt heel los. Gaat problemen opleveren, want een bmw die met genAI speelt bij het opstellen van een stuk het voor zichzelf als 'experiment' labelt of 'innovatie' heeft het voor zich daarmee gerationaliseerd. Never mind dat experimenten gecontroleerde omstandigheden vergen, en innovatie een gedeelde intentie moet hebben in de org. Dit voelt heel zacht aan, staan de juiste dingen in desondanks

[[When Will the GenAI Bubble Burst]]

https://web.archive.org/web/20250317153721/https://www.404media.co/ai-slop-is-a-brute-force-attack-on-the-algorithms-that-control-reality/

AI slop as brute forcing algorithmic timelines. Intended audience isn't people, but the algp's shoving stuff in timelines.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250215071640/https://thathtml.blog/2025/02/we-need-to-talk-about-anti-web-coding-assistants/

Blogger Jared White warns that LLMs coding output is as bland as its prose output and seem biased to some specific frameworks. #slop Horrifying example of people waiting on AI to catch-up with new versions of framework. That is really bad.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250131150340/https://thehackernews.com/2025/01/italy-bans-chinese-deepseek-ai-over.html

Italian DPA bans DeepSeek after the Chinese company refused to provide GDPR related info. Pertaining to app, pd collection, contactpoint and transmission of data to outside the EU. In 2023 it did the same for a few weeks until OpenAI provided answers and point of contact. (And it fined OpenAI). Will other DPAs follow suit?

https://web.archive.org/web/20250127120608/https://alexschroeder.ch/view/Artificial_Intelligence_Bookmarks

a wide range of critical gen AI bookmarks

Chinese LLM spooking US based corps it seems. #openvraag why?

LM Studio can run LLMs locally (I have llama and phi installed). It also has an API over a localhost webserver. I use that API to make llama available in Obsidian using the Copilot plugin.

This is the API documentation. #openvraag other scripts / [[Persoonlijke tools 20200619203600]] I can use this in?

https://web.archive.org/web/20241116074149/https://ali-alkhatib.com/blog/fuck-up-ai Ali Alkhatib (anthropology/informatics academic, QS and HCI) #2024/06/24 call for active resistance against AI / ML

https://web.archive.org/web/20241115134320/https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/confirmed-llms-have-indeed-reached?triedRedirect=true Gary Marcus in a told-you-so piece on algogens hitting a development wall, same as the other piece by Erik Hoel on models plateauing.

https://web.archive.org/web/20241115134446/https://www.theintrinsicperspective.com/p/ai-progress-has-plateaued-at-gpt Erik Hoel notices that LLM development is stalling at the GPT-4 level. No big jumps in recent releases, across the various vendors. Additional scaling is not bringing results. Notice the graph, might be interesting to see an update in a few months. Mentions overfitting, to benchmarks as in teaching to a specific test.

another apples/oranges. We have software that is good at math. Regular people call them spreadsheets. What we don't have, also not in algogens is software that understands what it is they're doing. My model can do sums is not a useful comparison wrt if it can do cognitive tasks.

Weird notion of remote work as only screen interaction. My team works remote, meaning they think independent from any screen tasks.

? young? Author is in their 20s, case of 'my first encounter with something means it is globally new'?

Ah, article based on assumption of future improvement. compute and data are limiting factors, and you will end up making the equation if compute footprint is more efficient than doing it yourself. Data even more limiting, as the most meaningful stuff is qualitative rather than quantitative, and stats on the Q stuff won't give you meaning (LLMs case in point)

Is it though? Wrt GAI that is as far away as before imo. The rainbow never gets nearer, because it is dependent on your position.

True, and that is where this fails outside of bullshit tasks. The unmentioned assumption here is that algogen output can have meaning, rather than just coherence and plausibility.

equates 'content production' w k-work

right. 'content production' where the actual meaning isn't relevant?

cogent content / passably well isn't the quality benchmark for K-work though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20241007071434/https://www.dbreunig.com/2024/10/03/we-need-help-with-discovery-more-than-generation.html

Author says generation isn't a problem to solve for AI, there's enough 'content' as it is. Posits discovery as a bigger problem to solve. The issue there is, that's way more personal and less suited for VC funded efforts to create a generic tool that they can scale from the center. Discovery is not a thing, it's an individual act. It requires local stuff, tuned to my interests, networks etc. Curation is a personal thing, providing intent to discovery. Same why [[Algemene event discovery is moeilijk 20150926120836]], as [[Event discovery is sociale onderhandeling 20150926120120]] Still it's doable, but more agent like than central tool.

Robyn Speer says in his view natural language processing as a field has been taken over by #algogens And most NLP research now depends on closed data from the #algogens providers.

Reddit was another key data source for wordfreq but they too no longer provide public archives, and sell it at high prices (to the likes of the #algogens)

Example of how #algogens slop pollutes corpus data: ChatGPT uses the word 'delve' a lot, an order of magnitude above human usage. #openvraag Is this to do with the 'need' for #algogens to sound more human by switching words around (dial down the randomness, and it will give the same stuff every time, but will stand out immediately as computer generated too)?

paywalled article.

Wordfreq is shutting down because LLM output on the web is polluting its data to the point of uselessness. It would track longitudinally the change in use of words across a variety of languages. Vgl human centipede epistomology in [[Talk The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI]] by [[Maggie Appleton]]

A point worth repeating. I think there is a strong parallel here with algogens. The way 'progress' in released models is celebrated by e.g. Donald Clark. It beats a PhD exam, it does CT etc. What does comparison with their deep roots yield though? Keep history short so you may be the biggest giant of all time.

Where is this different from the prompt-chaining thing I run locally? Which you prompt for a bunch of steps and then self prompts each one and goes online to further detail or do them.

yeah, externalising the cost of getting it wrong at scale. Testing it in real world circumstances is extremely useful and needed, yet OpenAI's general public customers will mostly not show their own CT and assume any result is true (seen it happen a lot) and thus moving the cost externalisation further down the chain, where it is more likely to have negative real world consequences.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240916044350/https://donaldclarkplanb.blogspot.com/2024/09/critical-thinking-was-famous-21st.html

Donald Clark on the latest closed OpenAI iteration. I can see how it may do the rule based bits of CT (although OpenAI's stuff until now still does very basic stuff wrong even before getting to CT here and at unpredictable times making every output suspect and in need of checking) Anything rule based is codable or will stand out as pattern for prediction.

Says AGI is now more visible. Seems rather Chomsky-esque, assuming language is thinking. Sociocentric (CT!) too, wrt English, while the rest of linguistics world has a century of saying language is communication and thinking a different thing.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240916042814/https://www.lisihocke.com/2024/05/newcrafts-paris-2024-a-memorable-conference-to-rave-about.html

Lisi Hocke on NewCrafts 2024 conf in Paris. Great images of handwritten notes too! #pkm

Next to the xz debacle where a maintainer was psyops'd into backdooring servers, this is another new attack surface: AI tools make up software packages in what they generate which get downloaded. So introducing malware is a matter of creating malicious packages named the way they are repeatedly named by AI tools.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240305082302/https://aiedusimplified.substack.com/p/on-not-using-generative-ai

This seems an interesting piece on the use of algogens. It probably does not address the issues around transparency, labor, footprint etc. But it does seem to address the search for the spot where algogens are useful in one's own workflow. Like me in [[Coding Personal Tools With GitHub Co-Pilot]]. There getting to action faster, and saving time are key. But only if you use it as intermediate step, never as a result to be used as is or as final output.

Via [[Stephen Downes]] https://www.downes.ca/post/76336

Broderick: https://www.garbageday.email/p/ai-search-doomsday-cult, Anderson: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17493

AI search hides the authors of the material it presents, summarising it is abstracting away the authors. It doesn't bring readers to those authors, it just presents a summary to the searcher as end result. Take it or leave it. At the same time, if one searches for something you know about, you see those summaries are always of. Leaving you guessing how of it is when searching something you don't know about. Search should never be the endpoint, always a starting point. I think that is my main aversion against AI search tools. Despite those clamoring 'it will get better over time' I don't think it will easily because the tool nor its makers have any interest in the quality of output necessarily and definitely can't assess it. So what's next, humans factchecking AI output. Why not prevent bs at its source? Nice ref to Maggie Appleton's centipede metaphor in [[The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI]]

https://web.archive.org/web/20240106230221/https://explainextended.com/2023/12/31/happy-new-year-15/

This seems a very good explainer for how LLMs and GPTs work. And all in 500 lines of sql :D

"hadn’t seriously considered the future economic impact on illustrators" This sounds too much like the 'every illegal download is a misplaced sale' trope of the music industry. There are many reasons to not use algogens, or opt for different models for such generation than the most popular public facing tools. Missed income for illustrators by using them in blog posts isn't one. Like with music downloads there's a whole world of users underneath the Cosean floor. My blog or presentations will never use bought illustrations, I started making lots of digital photos for that reason way back in 2003, and have been using open Creative Commons licenses. And now may try to generate a few images, if it's not too work intensive. Not to say that outside the mentioned use case of blogs and other sites (the ones that already now are indistinguishable from generated texts and only have generating ad eyeballs as purpose), the lower end of the existing market will get eroded. I bet that at the same time there will be a growing market for clearly human made artefacts as status symbol too. The Reverse Turing effect in play. I've paid more for prints of artwork, both graphics and photos, made in the presence of the artist than one printed after their death for instance. They adorn the walls at home rather than my blog though.

This is bothersome seen from my perspective of both a CC advocate and European national chapter and as a CC using maker. In my experience makers using CC use CC because they want to limit the ownership current international copyright laws and treaties bestow on them, as they see them as obstacle and greedy, and generally not serving the maker but later exploiters of artefacts. Also the perspective of contributing to the common good / pool of culture is frequent, and counter libertarian angles. I need to check but I think it might also be a ways off from Lessig's original idea for CC as expressed in [[Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig]].

https://web.archive.org/web/20231108095251/https://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=75761

[[Stephen Downes]] on CC and their answers to US copyright questions wrt generative algo's.

https://www.filosofieinactie.nl/blog/2023/9/5/open-source-large-language-models-an-ethical-reflection (archive version not working) Follow-up wrt openness of LLMs, after the publication of the inteprovincial ethics committee on ChatGPT usage within provincial public sector in NL. At the end mentions the work by Radboud Uni I pointed them to. What are their conclusions / propositions?

Roland Barthes (1915-1980, France, literary critic/theorist) declared the death of the author (in English in 1967 and in French a year later). An author's intentions and biography are not the means to explain definitively what the meaning of a (fictional I think) text is. [[Observator geeft betekenis 20210417124703]] dwz de lezer bepaalt.

Barthes reduceert auteur to de scribent, die niet verder bestaat dan m.b.t. de voortbrenging van de tekst. Het werk staat geheel los van de maker. Kwam het tegen in [[Information edited by Ann Blair]] in lemma over de Reader.

Don't disagree with the notion that readers glean meaning in layers from a text that the author not intended. But thinking about the author's intent is one of those layers. Separating the author from their work entirely is cutting yourself of from one source of potential meaning.

In [[Generative AI detectie doe je met context 20230407085245]] I posit that seeing the author through the text is a neccesity as proof of human creation, not #algogen My point there is that there's only a scriptor and no author who's own meaning, intention and existence becomes visible in a text.

Amplifying dominant perspectives, a feedback loop that ignores all of humanity falling outside the original trainingset, which is impovering itself, while likely also extending the societal inequality that the data represents. Given how such early weaving errors determine the future (see fridges), I don't expect that to change even with more data in the future. The first discrepancy will not be overcome.

Appleton points to the inherent severely limited trainingset and hence perspective that is embedded in LLMs. Most of current human society, of history and future is excluded. This goes back to my take on data and blind faith in using it: [[Data geeft klein deel werkelijkheid slecht weer 20201219122618]] en [[Check data against reality 20201219145507]]

Algogens aren't fixed social entities/identities, but mirrors of the prompts

Algogens are disconnected from reality. And, seems a key point, our own cognition and relation to reality is not just through language (and by extension not just through the language center in our brain): spatial awareness, embodiment, senses, time awareness are all not language. It is overly reductionist to treat intelligence or even humanity as language only.

generative AI as very smart and super incompetent at the same time, which is hard to reconcile. Is this a [[Monstertheorie 20030725114320]] style cultural category challenge? Or is the basic one replacing human cognition?

yes, all generated content is devoid of an author context e.g. It's flat and 2D in that sense, and usually fully self contained no references to actual experiences, experiments or things outside the scope of the immediate text. As I describe https://hypothes.is/a/kpthXCuQEe2TcGOizzoJrQ

generative AI currently follows the pattern of 1 input and 1 output. There's no reason to expect it will stay that way. outputs can scale : if you can generate one text supporting your viewpoint, you can generate 1000 and spread them all as original content. Using those outputs will get more clever.

Mentioned copy writing algogens * Jasper * Wordtune * copy.ai * quillbot * sudowrite * copysmith * moonbeam