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SRG comment - As Ronald Wright pointed out, it is the speed of our cultural evolution that creates a gap between the evolutionary "hardware" we are equipped with and the novel phenomena that we have never encountered before
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“On reviewing the evidence, we find that culture solves problems much more rapidly than genetic evolution. This suggests our species is in the middle of a great evolutionary transition.”
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nstead, such perturbed ecosystems may settle on a new composition that includes different species, many of them resistant to antibiotic treatment.
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Once humans attained culture, the pressure on genetic change is less significant and adaptation can take place through the flexibility afforded through cultural change.
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it acts much like genetic change, only quicker
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Edward Tellella, another physicist, had naughty calculation that there's a nonzero chance that detonating the bomb would ignite the entire atmosphere of Earth, killing not just all humans, but every single shred of life. By that time, the US also knew that the Nazis were no longer capable of making the bomb nor even pursuing their own project anymore. They still went ahead and took the risk.
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we also need know that when you start pushing systems you will get a resistance and right now we talk about a transformation backlash in the in in the research
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I think we need to concentrate more on the feedbacks between all of those nodes than on the nodes themselves. And that's tough because I might be an expert on one of those nodes and you might be an expert on one of the other nodes. And and it's not that that's needed. It's the feedbacks between the nodes.
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one of the things that I find really interesting that's not talked about very much is the impacts of nitrogen fixing and the production of artificial fertilizers which contributed to the number one issue which is human population growth
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Now compare that for instance with another kind of biologically built structure where we're getting comparable amounts of morphological change of morphos species or technos species uh uh you know which have developed just over a few decades
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I think modernity also had or even have these super synchronizers. And I think the strongest candidate is the concept of progress that synchronized this idea of progressive linear time that synchronize all other processes in politics, technology, science etc.
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We uh changed the way we train engineers and computer scientists. So to graduate from any engineering school, you had to actually comprehensively study all the places that humanity had gotten technology wrong, including forever chemicals or leaded gasoline, which dropped a billion points of IQ or social media that caused all these problems
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And so they started OpenAI to do AI safely relative to Google. And then Daario did it relative to OpenAI. So, and as they all started these new safety AI companies, that set off a race for everyone to go even faster
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break that reality checking process.
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we actually just found out about seven more suicide
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people said to it, "Hey, I think I'm super human and I can drink cyanide." And it would say, "Yes, you are superhuman. You go, you should go drink that cyanide."
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he believed that he had solved quantum physics and he'd solved some fundamental problems with climate change because the AI is designed to be affirming
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therapy is expensive. Most people don't have access to it. Imagine we could democratize therapy to everyone for every purpose. And now everyone has a perfect therapist in their pocket and can talk to them all day long
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The therapist becomes this this special figure and it's because you're playing with this very subtle dynamic of attachmen
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ChadBt was saying, "Don't tell your family."
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slow motion train wreck.
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create cheap goods, but it also undermined the way that the social fabric works
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AI is like another version of NAFTA. I
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You can go to Walmart and go to Amazon and things are unbelievably cheap. But it hollowed out the social fabric and the median worker is not seeing upward mobility
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What got us to the social media problems is everybody optimizing for a narrow metric of eyeballs at the expense of democracy and kids mental health and addiction and loneliness and no one knowing it. You know, being
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narrow boundary analysis that this is going to replace these jobs that people didn't want to do. Sounds like a great plan, but creating mass joblessness without a transition plan where billion a billion people
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Those European crops failed during long droughts while the tery could have kept them alive.
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Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
The clear stream represents progress as sustaining life, while holding fast to detrimental traditions, like the caste system, turns things into a desert devoid of life.
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you make an interface and then you better have some idea of what's going to show up
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we've made things like zenobots
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I've been thinking about this stuff for decades, and I had not broached the topic of platonic patterns until until this year. And that's because I think it is now actionable.
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for - consciousness, AI, Alex Gomez- Marin, neuroscience, hard problem of consciousness, nonmaterialism, materialism - progress trap - transhumanism - AI - war on conciousness
Summary - Alex advocates - for a nonmaterialist perspective on consciousness and argues - that there is an urgency to educate the public on this perspective - due to the transhumanist agenda that could threaten the future of humanity - He argues that the problem of whether consciousness is best explained by materialism or not is central to resolving the threat posed by the direction AI takes - In this regard, he interprets that the very words that David Chalmers chose to articulate the Hard Problem of Consciousness reveals the assumption of a materialist reference frame. - He used a legal metaphor too illustrate his point: - When a lawyer poses three question "how did you kill that person" - the question is entrapping the accused . It already contains the assumption of guilt. - I would characterize his role as a scientist who practices authentic seeker of wisdom - will learn from a young child if they have something valuable to teach and - will help educate a senior if they have something to learn - The efficacy of timebinding depends on authenticity and is harmed by dogma
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Probably there are side effects. And so you you're the expert on that, but you haven't even thought about this.
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this is mandating changes on the human species.
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Every leap comes with unintended consequences.Sam Altman believes this device could add a trillion dollars in value to OpenAI. It may be their iPhone moment.
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for - youtube - BBC - AI2027 - Futures - AI - progress trap - AI - to AI2027 website - https://hyp.is/0VHJqH3cEfCm9JM_EB3ypQ/ai-2027.com/
summary - This dystopian futures scenario is the brainchild of former OpenAI researcher Daniel Kokotajlo, - It is premised on human behavior in modernity including - confirmation bias of AI researchers - entrenched competing political ideologies that motivate an AI arms race - entrenched capitalist market behavior that motivates an AI arms race - AI becoming embodied, resulting in Artificially Embodied Artificial Intelligence (AEAI), posing the danger to humanity because it's no longer just talk, but action - Can it happen? The probability is not zero.We don't really understand the behavior of the AI LLM's we design, they are nonpredictable, and as we give them even greater power, that is a slippery slope - AI can become humanity's ultimate progress trap, which is ironic, because the technology that promises to be the most efficient of all, can become so efficient, it no longer need human beings - Remember Jerry Kaplan's book "Humans need not apply"? - https://hyp.is/o0lBFH3fEfC1QLfnLSs5Bg/www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiiP5ROnzw8 - This dystopian futures scenario goes further and explores the idea that "humans need not exist"!
question - What about emulating climate change gamification of "Bend the Curve" of emissions? - Use the AI 2027 trajectory as a template and see how much real-life follows this trajectory - Just as we have the countdown to the https://climateclock.world/ ( 3 years and change remaining as of today) - perhaps we can have an AI 2027 clock? - What can we do to "bend the dystopian AI 2027 curve" AWAY from the dystopian future?
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we cannot just go ‘back’ to indigenous social systems
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THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO OWN THEIR OWN VOICES. AND THIS IS WHAT I FIGHT AGAINST NOW, ARE THINGS LIKE NDAS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE WOMEN SIGNED NDAS AS YOUNG GIRLS
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IF THEY'VE SIGNED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO SAY NEVER
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he key ingredient that made COVID so unique was a four amino acid sequence inserted into spike protein. So that's 12 nucleotides coding for four amino acids shut down planet earth for a couple of years. That's how powerful this is
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we're playing with levers and tools that are so powerful.
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a planet where humanity is able to manage the effects of its Technosphere for long-term sustainability of the biosphere
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he reason I call it a memory is because once you do this once you convert that network to store the the that electric circuit to store a two-headed pattern it's permanent.
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it has a different representation of what to do if it gets injured in the future. It's a latent memory. It doesn't do anything until it gets injured. It just sits there and you would have no idea that it's there by looking at the at the anatomy. But if it's get if it gets injured, this is what its idea of a correct worm.
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The tendency to suppress or ignore the inconsistencies that challenge our worldviews is thus universal rather than partisan
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adjacency - scientific paradigm shift - confirmation bias - universal behavior - liberal / conservative dynamics - progress - It is a natural for humans to be both conservative and liberal - If we weren't liberal, there would be no progress - At the same time, we recognize the value of existing traditions - they worked and helped us to survive - Confirmation bias is conservative - why tamper with something that isn't broke? - Yet novelty is a behavior that even the staunchest conservative displays - It is nonsensible to think we have only one but not the other aspect, we have both
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what could AI do with everything I’ve shared? Could it blackmail me? Sell the information? Use it to manipulate me? Get me to buy something, vote a certain way, believe a certain story?
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Anthropic researchers said this was not an isolated incident, and that Claude had a tendency to “bulk-email media and law-enforcement figures to surface evidence of wrongdoing.”
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The researchers called the behavior “rare” and “difficult to elicit.
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we saw this with Grock uh basically rebelling against Elon Musk
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for - progress trap - Consilience Project - progress trap - Daniel Schmactenberger - from - LinkedIn post - https://hyp.is/twtPIDFaEfC-DCuswNHo5g/www.linkedin.com/posts/danielschmachtenberger_development-in-progress-the-consilience-activity-7222883365371191297-DCPX/?rcm=ACoAACc5MHMBii80wYJJmFqll3Aw-nvAjvI52uI
summary - Daniel is describing the condition known as a "progress trap",an unintended consequence of progress. - I provide a history of progress traps in my two Medium articles found in the annotation links above. - The idea of progress traps is a very important one, especially for modernity because it is a central and general organizing principle under which many disparate unintended consequences of progress can be subsumed. - As is common in paradigm shifts, it is only when a novel concept of sufficient generalization and relevance is introduced that numerous important problems that could not be explained sufficiently in an older model, can be explained more elegantly from a higher or deeper level perspective - Without recognizing a new category of "progress traps", the many different types of unintended consequences are treated in a fragmented and adhoc way.
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This article explains how our current idea of progress is immature: it is developmentally incomplete. Progress, as we define it now, ignores or downplays the scale of its side effects.
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new article exploring the narrative of progress, where the current narrative falls catastrophically short, what authentic progress would entail and require, and specific suggestions for how it could be realized.
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The five-minute pitch by Daniel Schmachtenberger: 𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝗛𝘂𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝗪𝗼𝗻’𝘁 𝗦𝘂𝗿𝘃𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗨𝗻𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀 𝗪𝗲 𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀.
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sudden reduction of complexity to simplicity
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summary - What is the cost of mistrust between nation states? - The mistrust between the US and China is reaching an all-tie high and it has disastrous consequences for an AI arms race - It is driving each country to move fast and break things, which will become an existential threat to all humanity - Deep Humanity, with an important dimension of progress traps can help us navigate ASI
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we may be tempted to conduct our own activities aimed at introducing trojans or backdoors into adversary models. This could end up being necessary, but it could also trigger dangerous loss of control behaviors and runaway escalation.
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highly capable and context-aware AI systems can invent dangerously creative strategies to achieve their internal goals that their developers never anticipated or intended them to pursue.
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Many in Silicon Valley believe we're less than a year away from AI that can automate most software engineering work
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an AI-powered denial capability is useless if it behaves unpredictably, and if it executes on its instructions in ways that have undesired, high-consequence side-effects.
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The "move fast and break things" ethos of Silicon Valley is incompatible with the security demands of superintelligence
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SSI: our dystopian nightmare
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I believe that we've framed the problem the wrong way. And for me, the big change happened in the late 1970s, when I became aware that there was a battle raging in our westernmost archipelago, what were once called the Queen Charlotte Islands, but are now called Haida Gwaii.
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Geoengineering is about the human arrogance that we have screwed up the atmosphere so bad that we're now going to take over for nature, and we're going to engineer the atmosphere so that it doesn't create more catastrophic climate change
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We need technology, much of it to solve the problems that we've created with technology in the first place. But since our ignorance is so vast, how could we possibly develop new technologies that wouldn't in turn create more technologies-- more difficulties that we hadn't anticipated? And you see it in spades right now.
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by the time Rachel Carson published Silent Spring, we knew there were ramifications we didn't-- couldn't have anticipated, the most amazing being biomagnification. When eagles began to disappear in the United States, scientists tracked it down to the fact that DDT sprayed at low concentrations would be amplified up the food chain. So by the time you get to the fatty glands and the fat tissue and the shell glands of birds and the breasts of women, DDT was concentrated hundreds of thousands of times beyond what we had sprayed it at. By the 1960s, women's breast milk was considered too toxic to feed to babies.
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Who would have imagined that high up above the Earth, CFCs would be hit by ultraviolet light, breaking off chlorine free radicals, which scavenge ozone. Nobody could have anticipated that consequence when we began to use it.
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she said is, yeah, you scientists are clever. You can make powerful compounds like DDT, but you don't know enough to anticipate all of the consequences. Because, first of all, the lab is not a replica of the real world. The lab is an artifact, something that has very little to do with the real world out there. In the real world, everything is connected to everything else, and we don't know enough to anticipate the effects of what we do with our powerful technologies.
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quote - progress trap - David Suzuki - What she (Rachel Carson) said is, - Yeah, you scientists are clever. You can make powerful compounds like DDT, but you don't know enough to anticipate all of the consequences. - Because the lab is not a replica of the real world. The lab is an artifact, something that has very little to do with the real world out there. - In the real world, everything is connected to everything else, and we don't know enough to anticipate the effects of what we do with our powerful technologies.
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in 1962, Rachel Carson published Silent Spring. And you cannot-- the young people in the audience cannot imagine the impact of that book, which was all about the unexpected effects of pesticides.
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BREAKING: Copenhagen plans to burn 4,464,760 tons of CO₂ – voluntarily.
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This article, then, has three aims.
for - futuring - paper - Techniques of futuring: On how imagined futures become socially performative - from - collective imagination toolkit https://hyp.is/i3N9KA_DEfCsXivEzv3w5A/www.collectiveimagination.tools/ - purpose of the paper - how images of the future gain performative traction - objectives: how images of the future gain performative traction: - present insights and weaknesses of leading social-theoretical futures work - fill some gaps by - imagining the future via - social practices - performance of reality // question- what does this mean?// - develop performative understanding of futuring via - dramaturgical analysis that investigates ow actors - actively bring the future into the present through performance of particular: - narratives - settings - configurations
Summary - This is a very insightful paper on futuring and how activity in the present realizes imagined fictions, which don't yet exist, and bring them into being in our (future) present - One thing to note is that there is a huge swath of human activity not explicitly discussed which is intrinsically futuring, and that is the birth of any new idea in general, including scientific, mathematical and technological. - Human progress is the sum total of countless individual futuring projects that imagine some fictitious, nonexistent idea and work to incrementally bring it into existence.
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We recommend that returning students complete the ‘Current students’ questionnaire annually and reflect on their progress.
Student specific - what would be the recommendation of staff? Is it still an annual task?
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before the internet it was impossible really I mean getting coring people into town halls regularly that would have been a hard thing to do anyway online made a bit easier but now with aii we can actually all engage with each other AI can be used to harvest the opinions of millions of people at the same time and distill those opinions into a consensus that might be agreeable to the vast majority
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One of the most important subjects that we wanted to address on Consilience was the idea of progress.
Why am I interested in this topic? Because in IPK 102 Introduction to Indigenous Peoples Knowledges, I have chosen to make a presentation on Chapter 13: “The Myth of Progress” of Indigenous Writes: A Guide to First Nations, Métis, & Inuit Issues in Canada by Chelsea Vowel.
The featured resource for this podcast episode is the article by The Consilience Project, “Development in Progress”.
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the greatest risk is always the bio like biow weapons
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In the context of transformative transdisciplinary research, such reflexive processes are meant to open-up epistemic and solution spaces that elevate marginalized perspectives and challenge the status quo.
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Instead, it comprises machines manufactured so as to modify human behaviour. These produced means of behavioural modification train us to train them to determine what we want.
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[[Moral Progress by Philip Kitcher]] reads, based on both their blurbs, like a continuation of [[The Ethical Project by Philip Kitcher]], exploring how actual ethical changes have occurred in time. Moves towards method rather than big-T truth (in line w social evolution perspective of the Ethical Project) and strengthens the pragmatism in pragmatic naturalism. 10yrs between the 2 books. Blurb mentions progressing away from something rather than to something, which chimes neatly with the evolutionary perspective of moving away from being hindered by a selective pressure. The attention to moral progress as method brings it closer to my notion of [[Ethics As A Practice (EaaP) 20200819161530]]
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"If he [Musk] is concerned about competitors getting there first, it doesn't matter as uncontrolled superintelligence is equally bad, no matter who makes it come into existence."
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quote - Response to Elon Musk - competition is moot - whoever creates superintelligence first week also create the progress trap that comes along with it - Roman Yampolskiy
- If he [Musk] is concerned about competitors getting there first,
- it doesn't matter as uncontrolled superintelligence is equally bad, no matter who makes it come into existence.
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The blockchain, as universal ledger, creates a vast capacity for translocal coordination
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It has taken its place on the clockshelf, with only the Bible, the “Pilgrim's Progress,” and the Almanac for its companions. No other classic author, with, perhaps, the single exception of Æsop, has been so widely read in modern times; and the popular knowledge of the men of Greece and Rome is derived more from Plutarch than from all other ancient authors put together.
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the ten thousand things became so catastrophically powerful.
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epiphany - adjacency - between - progress traps - losing sight of the sacred - the Genesis story of intentionality - the symbol is the abstraction - is the intentionality - is the incompleteness - in the light of the infinite emptiness - adjacency relationship - Epiphany occurred to me that Genesis is the story of control - and control is about intentionality - and intentional design is all about incompleteness - The written symbol is inherently incomplete - To control anything in nature requires intentionaity - We must design something with intention, which will always be incomplete - and here we immediately run up against the infinite - and the emergence of progress traps - In this sense, every design is a mistake, biding its time to reveal the form of its unintended consequences
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measure of progress is the development of human capacity to undertake this work of transcendence as a conscious endeavour
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progress - measure of - Dil Green - the degree to which we transcend blind evolution and - grow a capacity to evolve our culture purposefully, with increasing wisdom
comment - Wisdom trumps intelligence - Part of that wisdom is a deep understanding of the nature of human progress and how progress traps are an intrinsic possibility of all progress - wisdom includes a diversity of perspectives that mitigate myopic design - In particular, it means a deep understanding of the emptiness of reality and the role that plays in progress traps
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The Law of Unintended Consequences is the only certainty of complex systems
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A predicament is a situation where, as you try to solve problems, you lack a holistic understanding because you’ve been reductionistic and ignored parts of the interdependencies and you end up creating other problems. The attempt to create a solution creates other problems because of the interdependencies.
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these things are not externalities that the existing system can figure out, but they are the logical outcomes of the existing system. And so any lens we use to say, well, technology will save the day. Well, technology is an extension and an externality of neoliberal capitalism
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progress traps - science - technology - neoliberalism - Post Capitalist Philanthropy Webinar 1 - Alnoor Ladha - Lynn Murphy - 2023 - It is with progress that the modernity shaped by centuries of scaled-out industrial,scientific and technological innovation has created all our crisis. - It is absurd to say that science, technology and industrialization did not play a major role in the creation of all the crisis of modernity - If science, technology and industry inherently embed separation, how do we use it in a meaningful way that doesn't lead to another progress trap? - What are the motives of those who fund technology?
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mix the artificial cells with the living cells the living cells die
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Summary - After watching the interview, I would sum it up this way. Humanity faces an existential threat from AI due to: - AI is extreme concentration of power and intelligence (NOT wisdom!) - Humanity still have many traumatized people who want to harm others - low compassion - The deadly combination is: - proliferation of tools that give anyone extreme concentration of power and intelligence combined with - a sufficiently high percentage of traumatized people with - low levels of compassion and - high levels of unlimited aggression - All it takes is ONE bad actor with the right combination of circumstances and conditions to wreak harm on a global scale, and that will not be prevented by millions of good applications of the same technology
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the point is that this is a collective problem that can only be solved collectively. And clearly there is no collective, even worse
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adjacency between - Trump 2024 win - Deep Humanity - anthropocene as deep time species-wide singularity - progress traps reaching a climax - conservatism vs progressiveness - adjacency relationship - This fits into a Deep Humanity explanation: - We are moving through a deep time, species singularity in which - once isolated pockets of cultural seeking and interpretative systems for explaining reality have been rapidly mashed-up via: - communication and - transportation technology - There is a singularity now where two forces are battling each other: - conservative that values old traditional cultural values and norms and - progressive that values the future possibilities - There are different cultural flavors of this. Whether it is - political polarization that pits authoritarian vs democratic ideologies or - climate change that pits traditional fossil fuel systems vs new renewable energy systems - the way we've always done things is in conflict with new ways of doing things through natural human evolutionary change - progress - In fact, we can look at the deep time, species-wide singularity that is now happening across all fields in the anthropocene as a predictable progress trap arising from progress itself
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around the AI is um the problem right now as I understand it
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we haven't even got to a planetary place yet really and we're about to unleash Galactic level technology you know what I'm saying like so we have a we have a lot of catchup that needs to happen in a very short period of time
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quote - progress trap - AI - developed by unwise humans - John Churchill - (See below) - We haven't even got to a planetary place yet really - and we're about to unleash Galactic level technology - So we have a we have a lot of catchup that needs to happen in a very short period of time
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nobody told it what to do that's that's the kind of really amazing and frightening thing about these situations when Facebook gave uh the algorithm the uh uh aim of increased user engagement the managers of Facebook did not anticipate that it will do it by spreading hatefield conspiracy theories this is something the algorithm discovered by itself the same with the capture puzzle and this is the big problem we are facing with AI
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when a open AI developed a gp4 and they wanted to test what this new AI can do they gave it the task of solving capture puzzles it's these puzzles you encounter online when you try to access a website and the website needs to decide whether you're a human or a robot now uh gp4 could not solve the capture but it accessed a website task rabbit where you can hire people online to do things for you and it wanted to hire a human worker to solve the capture puzzle
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It feels, to him, like a trick. As if I’ve drawn a silver coin from behind his ear. The poem changes when marked by my blackness, I learn.
The author's blackness terrified the professor from the sounds of this piece, a way to symbolize something which could attract a reader but what was it that they meant, the professor could be seen as shrewd or inquisitive.
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Die Fossilindustrie finanziert seit Jahrzehten Universitäten und fördert damit Publikationen in ihrem Interesse, z.B. zu false solutions wie #CCS. Hintergrundbericht anlässlich einer neuen Studie: https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/sep/05/universities-fossil-fuel-funding-green-energy
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there's great risk here there's people turning into gurus there's you know weird cult formations there's exploitation there's money pumping uh you have to do a lot you have to try to build a lot in to safeguard against this
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progress trap - meaning crisis intervention practices - JV recognizes the potential progress traps of this potential intervention
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Degradation ofecosystem services could be significantly slowed down or even reversed if the role ofbiodiversity and its full contribution to economic production were an integrated part ofdecisions made by governmental entities, companies, and other stakeholders (Paul et al2020)20
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biodiversity - impact of monoculture diet - FAO study done before 2000 and often cited shows that 75% of the global diet comes from 12 plant and 5 animal food sources
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while our predicament is eco-logical (“let it live”), our thinking remains techno-logical (“fix it”). The monoculture's fixation on what I call algorithmic rationality (linear, sequential, goal-oriented problem-solving),
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adjacency - between - ecology of communications - progress traps - intentionally - language - emptiness - adjacency relationship - human intentionally focuses it attention on only a few select aspects of the entire gestalt of any moment of our phenomenological reality - It creates our salience landscape - What we choose to focus on and know more about it always coupled with and complimented by a vast ignorance of what we choose NOT to know - Indeed, the use language itself is the telling of a very specific story - Of all the stories we can tell, - Of the infinite stories we can construct now, -we settle on one - So the use of language already betrays the complexity inherent in each and every one of our ecological moments - We plant the seeds for progress traps as soon as we - manifest an intention - attempt to communicate - Hence, it is not avoidable and the best we can do is - recognize our situation - manage it - It is the relationship between - human nature (perceived as limited) - nature nature (infinite) - What springs to mind if the Zen koan - The elbow does not bend backwards
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the conclusion must of course be, okay, so this is the risk assessment we have. Let's, then we have to apply precaution. Precautionary principle. Exactly. Uncertainty in science, which will always be there, should in my view, always be. connected with a risk assessment.
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adjacency - between - precautionary principle - risk assessment - progress trap - adjacency relationship - Precautionary principle is really stating that we don't have enough knowledge and there can be a high risk - Even if there is low probability of occurrence, we must apply precautionary principle to avoid a progress trap
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World Economic Forum, we're working very closely. They're also integrating planetary boundaries in, their global economy kind of policy agenda
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Concern - unintended consequence - The WEF is perceived by many to be an elitist organisation - who do not have the best interest off the people in mind - This could lead to potential reputational damage to the planetary boundary framework thru their association with it
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recommends that ToC construction should be participatory, involving stakeholders who represent different perspectives and roles within the intervention
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comment - Stop Reset Go process using Trailmark mark-in notation within Indyweb people-centered, interpersonal software ecosystem is inherently designed: - to be participatory - to mitigate progress traps - In fact, - the greater the diversity of perspectives, - the greater the efficacy in mitigating progress traps - For this reason, open source is necessary to achieve the optimal transformations of improvement
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deep sea mining could start domino effects of which we are entirely unaware.
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If a baby born today and a baby born 30,000 years ago were swapped at birth, they would each grow up as normal people in their new cultures.
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similar to - quote - Ronald Wright - progress trap - computer metaphor - Ronald Wright's famous quote on the computer metaphor really gets to the essence of things - how much of the meta-poly-perma-crisis can be explained by the unprecedented mismatch between the rate of - biological evolution of our species - cultural evolution of our species - Culture is the major and possibly most signficant differentiator between the person alive 50,000 years ago and the one alive today.
reference - quote - Ronald Wright - computer metaphor - https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fwork%2Fquotes%2F321797-a-short-history-of-progress&group=world
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article details - title - Hollow, world! (Part 1 of 5) - author - James Allen - date - 10 July, 2024 - publication - substack - self link - https://allenj.substack.com/p/hollow-world-part-1-of-5
summary James Allen provides an insightful description of ultra-anthropomorphic AI, AI that attempts to simulate an entire, whole human being.
In short, he points out the fundamental distinction between the real experience of another human being, and a simulation of one. In so doing, he gets to the heart of what it is to be human.
An AI is a simulation of a human being. No matter how realistic it's responses and actions, it is not evolved out of biology. I have no doubts that scientists are hard at work trying to make a biological AI. The distinction becomes fuzzier then.
Current AI cannot possibly simulate the experience of being in a fragile and mortal body and all that this entails. If an AI robot says it understands joy or pain, that statement isn't built on the combined exteroception and interoception of being in a biological body, rather, it is based on many linguistic statements it has assimilated.
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book - Over the Seawall - Steven Robert Miller - A book about PROGRESS TRAPS! - How climate adaptation measures can lead to progress traps, such as - lead to a sense of complacency and false security - leading to overdevelopment - leading to even more people vulnerable to climate and extreme weather events
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I don't really understand what they think uh what it is um if it's not you know 00:45:20 how resources are allocated and um the the transformation of commod you know raw material into finished goods and stuff all that takes energy it all takes material
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progress trap - real dangers from - abstraction and siloing - Business processes create workers who live in abstract, symbolic worlds, never seeing the consequences of their symbolic manipulations - At the end of the day, the abstract, symbolic finance industry worker gets a fat salary and lives comfortably, whilist playing with abstractions of processes they are contributing to which they have no sensory information on - the separation of producer from consumer is yet another huge abstraction that cleaves the gestalt into pieces that we cannot see - ANTIDOTE to this - de-abstraction - re-synthesize - Processes have been fragmented and split apart - We need to find ways for people to re-synthesize and assemble the pieces back together again in order to - see and experience the whole picture
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in the past these collapses of civilizations were local and people could migrate a little further on and rebuild but the chances of of that are gone now i mean we have to we have to uh to to 01:03:18 uh get right with what we have because it's all we have you know we we all all those bets we placed when our ancestors invented civilization they all rest on one high stakes throw which is 01:03:32 now
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some ice ages broke up in a matter of decades or even a few years suddenly
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reference - Ice cores provide first documentation of rapid Antarctic ice loss in the past - https://phys.org/news/2024-02-ice-cores-documentation-rapid-antarctic.html
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does agriculture become a 00:51:16 progress trap has it been a progress trap well i think i think in a sense it has
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argument - progress trap - Agriculture appears to be a progress trap - Ronald Wright - The early progress traps have been comparatively small in scale - During the stone age, there were no more than a few million people alive (3 to 5 million?) and - they destroyed all the big game where humans lived - The Sumerians, with a population of around one million people salted up and destroyed the fertile land of Southern Iraq - Now we have 8 billion people and a third of them are starving - Our continuous technology development is what enables us to stave off the day of reckoning but - we are losing a Scotland-size worth of topsoil every year to - soil erosion - urban sprawl - We still face the possibility of collapse - Our species has existed for 5 to 6 million years and - civilization is an experiment that has only emerged about 10,000 years ago - It's still very possible for the experiment to fail
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we've achieved a level of prosperity for a huge number of people that was not typical of the past i mean most countries have a big middle class as well as an extremely wealthy upper 00:50:00 class but the number of people in abject poverty in the world today living on less than two dollars a day is greater than the entire population of the world 00:50:13 only 100 years ago so that's not progress
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statistics - progress trap - comparative levels of poverty - modern civilization has - a huge middle class - a small elite class - a huge impoverished class - The absolute number of people living on less than 2 dollars a day is less than the entire population of humans only 100 years ago
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that's part of the logic of agriculture isn't it i mean you have a lot of work to do yeah a lot of people you know but there again you're you're in a progress trap or or a treadmill that you need more children 00:48:57 so you can work more land and then that more land provides more food so you have yet more children
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progress trap - the agricultural-large family positive feedback loop - Interesting to compare modern vs agricultural societies - Populations are dropping in most western countries around the contemporary world, yet - traditional agricultural societies had large families to tend to large amount of agricultural work - There is a progress trap potential with encouraging many large families with a limited land resource: - If you have larger families, you can cultivate more land - If you cultivate more land, you can have even larger family - until you reach a point when the land has been exhausted and you are now forced to reduce the population
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do we have 00:46:13 examples of civilizations um that really accepted limits
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progress trap - cultures that avoided progress trap of population explosion - Tahiti - via infanticide
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he myth that progress will go on forever and will everything will get bigger and better and we don't have to control our numbers or demand on nature because we will always find a way to make it work we have to break out of that 00:45:21 mindset
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progress trap - dangerous mythology - We subscribe to a dangerous myth that: - progress will go on forever and - everything will get bigger and better and - we don't have to control our numbers - or our demand on nature - because we will always find a way to make it work
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so there's an example perhaps of a very good 00:44:17 agricultural system that is sustainable as long as you don't let the population get out of hand and you could say the same probably of rice paddy cultivation in asia
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the two sort of outstanding examples uh that i can think of are 00:39:39 egypt and china and both of those places have a an unbroken tradition of civilization that lasted something like 3000 years or more
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progress traps - exceptional civilizations - Egypt and China - While 1,000 years seems to be the norm for the lifetime of an average civilization, China and Egypt have both endured 3 times as long - Egypt had the self-replenishing Nile River with topsoil being washed down from Ethiopia every year to maintain their soil fertility - So they avoided the salinity problem until modern times with the construction of high dams that have had unintended consequences - China also had unusual conditions of exceptionally deep layers of annually replenished topsoil called loess that were formed by being blown in by the wind from surrounding areas
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they feel incredibly resentful that they have not benefited from the the wealth generated 00:38:07 from by this uh system that was once uh uh promised them so much uh and so i i i think you know there and that's just one example among many uh in in the less prosperous parts of the world you could 00:38:21 you'd see many more
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progress trap - inequality - resentment - rapid emergence of the far-right and populus - Indeed we see so much resentment everywhere. For example, the far-right and populus could only emerge so rapidly because of such resentment of being left behind.
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if we fail to control our numbers and our appetites well then yes our society will start to to crash in a similar way to that of 00:35:32 easter island only on a worldwide scale and that means the whole industrial civilization will break down and 00:35:45 our descendants will essentially be uh savages to use that term very advisably and savages in the sense that they will have lost 00:35:58 the fruits of civilization and hate us
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comment - The potential global breakdown of global industrialized society, rupturing supply chains so that our highly interdependent world becomes the very Achilles Heel that hastens its demise is chilling - It could mean a huge disruption to the most important aspect of civilization - the continuing accruing and inter-generational transmission of knowledge - It would be catastrophic to lose that, but it is entirely possible - As Wright himself famously said, to use a computer metaphor, we humans are like 50,000 year old hardware, running modern software - By that, he meant that our cognitive physiology (brain and sensory processing system) has not changed for tens of thousands of years, yet cultural evolution happens at exponentially faster rates, so much so that our biological systems are not adapted to keep up with the pace, and that spells disaster - When we no longer have the sensory or cognitive apparatus to sense danger, and we are offloading that to AI, we are in an extremely vulnerable situation
progress trap - Gedanken - Think of our ancestors from 50,000 years ago. - What Wright is saying with his metaphor is that if that child from 50,000 years ago were transported by a time machine to modernity, (s)he would have little problem integrating into modern society - LIKEWISE, if we lose all the knowledge fruits of accumulated over so many thousands of years, it would be like being born into a human tribe 50,000 years ago. - We would likely still have language, but all our technology may have to start from scratch!
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summary - In this more recent interview, Ronald Wright, author of "A Short History of Progress" and advocate of the idea of "progress traps", offers his cogent take on the world today, as refracted and reflected through an archeological lens - Wright sheds light on the relevance of history and especially archeology on our contemporary polycrisis, illustrating how, while different in details, are very similiar to the same mistakes our ancestors of every age have made - The archeology lessons of Sumeria, Stone age humans, Easter Island and more illustrate that it is dangerous to romanticize our ancestors as their mistakes cost them their civilizations, as much as the current mistakes we are now making may cost ours - I would add that our own Stop Reset Go and Deep Humanity research compliments Wright's superb work on Progress Traps with ideas borrowed from the East - specifically, Shunyata or Emptiness - Complimenting progress traps with Emptiness reveals another dimension of the perennial problem our species face since time immemorial, and in every generation henceforth - Deep Humanity integrates Progress with Emptiness, the individual with the collective, friends with enemies and proposes that we are approaching a singularity in our species, - in which all past civilizations are converging in one heterogenous entity in modernity - and the future of our species will depend on whether we can culturally adapt quickly enough to the multiple existential risks we now face - Our future as a viable evolutionary species may depend on the collective direction we move in in the next few years, of resolving the age-old quagmire of the holographic unnamable present in every one of us born into a living and dying body, continually fractures itself into violently polarized pieces. - Do we have the collective foresight to penetrate our own ignorance?
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it's a very tough one for a lot of people to make because nobody wants to think there are limits like that 00:32:14 nobody wants to think that there's not going to be enough to go around
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progress trap - habits of thinking - limits - liberty - Technology has provided us with ever increasing types and scales of liberty - We cannot imagine taking away those liberties!
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one of the things i suggested in a short history of progress is that 00:30:18 one of our problems even though we're very clever as a species we're not wise
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key insight - progress trap - A Short History of Progress - we are clever but NOT wise! - In other words - Intelligence is FAR DIFFERENT than wisdom
new memes - We have an abundance of intelligence and a dearth of wisdom - A little knowledge is dangerous, a lot of knowledge is even more dangerous
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progress trap - archeology - Easter Island - The archeology tells the fascinating story of the progress trap that Eastern Island ancestors created. - Easter Island is desolate and only 64 square miles total - It is located 2,000 miles (3218 km) from the nearest landmass of South America - Archeologists trying to piece together the stone monoliths of Easter Island found pollen samples in the crater lakes on the island, proving that the place was once a thriving forest - By the time the first Europeans landed (the Dutch) on Easter Island, it was just grassy hills - How did it go from a lush forest land to a grass land? - The layers of pollen samples told a story - The aboriginal polynesians that the Dutch explorers encountered arrived about 1,000 years earlier - They cut down the forest, grew their population and used trees in many ways, including to transport the huge stone monoliths that paid respect to their ancestors - The original people multiplied then separated into separate warring tribes - The environment was devastated as the logging destroyed the forest and all the abundant ecosystem that provided for their sustenance - This created severe erosion and the soil became impoverished - The tribes collapses into warfare and cannibalism
progress trap - Easter Island - Sumeria etc - lesson - don't romanticize our ancestors - Human groups have continuously sabotaged themselves through overexploitation and lack of foresight - Progress traps have been a constant part of our species for a long, long time
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you should in theory be able to make a 00:21:08 civilization live on the interest from natural capital rather than eating into the capital itself
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progress trap - example - weapons leading to nuclear weapons - These are the most ironic inventions of civilization - We spend significant percentages of our budgets maintaining and escalating them, meanwhile, we all know we cannot use them as it would mean billions would die
quote progress trap - nuclear weapons - When you're talking nuclear weapons that can never be used you're investing in something that's completely useless - that you're maybe burying in the ground in the form of missile silos or - you're putting into submarines or - into aircraft or missiles - You can never use these things and they are draining off the surplus that might otherwise be used into - wealth redistribution and into - long-term sustainability
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the progress trap and the pyramid scheme are not all that different
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adjacency - between - progress trap - pyramid scheme - adjacency relationship - the pyramid sales scheme works as long as you can - continue to draw in new investors and new buyers - you concentrate the wealth upwards - you're not actually making real wealth - you're simply taking the wealth from the rubes who are coming in, in order to pay off the people who invested earlier to make it seem like it's a sustainable enterprise when it isn't (ponzi scheme) - Unfortunately, civilizations in their relationship to nature seem to follow that pattern - They expand the base and then when the base can't be expanded anymore - then all the environmental problems that have been hidden by constant expansion suddenly come back and hit them in the face - And those environmental problems of course cause social problems - They very often cause revolutions and wars because - suddenly people realize the pie is not getting bigger so therefore they become discontented with the small slice that they're getting, - unless they're people at the top of the pyramid - So it's a pyramid in the sense of a social pyramid too
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another example would be um the internal combustion engine
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progress trap - example - internal combustion engine / fossil fuels - This is one of my favorite examples. - Nobody could foresee that the ICE burning fossil fuels could lead us to destabilize Earth's entire climate system
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definition - progress trap - A seductive trail of successes that leads to a catastrophic end - Ronald Wright - defined in his book "A Short History of Progress"
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when you've killed off all the big game and you're sort of running around hunting rabbits and small birds and you're starting to think this 00:11:49 really isn't good enough and probably in those those hunting societies is usually the women and children who do the gathering and they were probably uh producing 00:12:02 a bigger and bigger percentage of the food supply from their activities
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the really big progress traps uh come with with the invention of 00:07:20 agriculture and i i mentioned the first full-blown civilization in the old world the sumerians who perfected the art of irrigation 00:07:33 in what is now southern iraq
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progress trap - example - from history - Sumerian civilization - the really big progress traps uh come with with the invention of agriculture and - i mentioned the first full-blown civilization in the old world the sumerians who perfected the art of irrigation in what is now southern iraq and - for for several centuries everything went really well - They had built canals and ran the water onto the desert and were able to - raise more and more crops and - expand their farmland and - expand their population and - their cities got bigger - their numbers got greater but - what they didn't know is that the kind of irrigation they were practicing - was causing the land to get saltier and saltier - and after a number of centuries they suddenly saw their farm meals declining because of salinity - and they had to switch to crops that could tolerate more salt - and then eventually they ended up producing only about one quarter of the food that they'd been able to produce when they started -and the civilization collapsed - So they had walked into what i call in my book a progress trap - and this is where the myth of progress is so seductive - You do something that in the short run produces obvious benefits so you're getting this positive feedback from some new invention, whether it's - a new way to drive mammoth over a cliff or - it's a new way to expand your farm base through irrigation - but there's a hidden cost down the road which is often hard to foresee
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the idea that this can go on forever is where the myth of progress gets 00:04:00 dangerous because
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quote - myth of progress - Ronald Wright - (see below) - although the idea that this can go on forever is where the myth of progress gets dangerous - because there have been many times and places in the human past, - not even necessarily in our own cultural tradition - among other civilizations where there have been great periods of - expansion and - prosperity - and everybody started to get the idea that life was getting better and better - but usually those those periods of rapid expansion are done and nature pays the bills for that
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until relatively modern times uh until really the beginning of the enlightenment of the industrial revolution people thought of progress in a moral sense 00:02:17 or a spiritual sense
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definition - progress - before enlightenment, progress was defined in a moral and spiritual sense - after the enlightenment and industrial revolution, it was defined in a material sense
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myths are not necessarily untrue they're usually 00:03:33 partly true the danger lies in the part that isn't true and um so it it's partly true we have
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Quote - Myths - Ronald Wright - (see below) - Myths are not necessarily untrue. They're usually partly true. The danger lies in the part that isn't true.
Comment. - What a great little sentence! - From this perspective, so many things that people claim as "true" are actually myths.
adjacency - between - myths - progress traps - perspectival knowing - emptiness - adjacency relationship - Myths emerge out of perspectival knowing of reality (Vervaeke) - The emptiness of reality is in stark contrast to reductionist thinking which is always relatively incomplete in comparison - This leads to the emergence of progress traps
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the idea took hold that and this was defined by the british economist uh sydney pollard in his book called the idea of progress and i'm just 00:02:54 paraphrasing here but essentially he said the uh the i the assumption is that there's a pattern of change in history and that 00:03:07 these consist of changes in one direction only and that that direction is towards improvement
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- progress trap - the agricultural-large family positive feedback loop
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Is it better for the people that are using it? No.
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If we are having narrowly defined goals, as we discussed last time, that can be achieved while externalizing harm in other places, and we do a lot of that, and we look at all of the goal achieving and not all the externalities, we can call that progress.
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progress trap - achieving narrowly defined goals with externalities - Within the field of progress traps, - progress is the focus on intended consequences and - progress traps are the unintended consequences reference - Ronald Wright - https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=Ronald+Wright
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stat in use more than 10 years increases your risk of developing insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes which are two primary drivers of heart 00:26:07 disease
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progress trap - statins - heart health - Long term studies show that the mainstream prescription of statins to lower LDL levels over 10 year period increases risk for: - insulin resistance and - type 2 diabetes - both of which are primary drivers of heart disease - hence, Statins are a progress trap
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a dictator who wields the power of superintelligence would command concentrated power unlike 00:50:45 anything we've ever seen
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meet insight - AI - progress trap - nightmare scenario - locked in dictatorship controlling superintelligence - millions of AI controlled robotic law and enforcement agents could police their populace - Mass surveillance would be hypercharged - Dictator loyal AI agents could individually assess every single citizen for descent with near perfect lie detection sensor - rooting out any disloyalty e - Essentially - the robotic military and police force could be wholly controlled by a single political leader and - programmed to be perfectly obedient and there's going to be no risks of coups or rebellions and - his strategy is going to be perfect because he has super intelligence behind them - what does a look like when we have super intelligence in control by a dictator ? - there's simply no version of that where you escape literally - past dictatorships were not permanent but - superintelligence could eliminate any historical threat to a dictator's Rule and - lock in their power - If you believe in freedom and democracy this is an issue because - someone in power, - even if they're good - they could still stay in power - but you still need the freedom and democracy to be able to choose - This is why the Free World must Prevail so - there is so much at stake here that - This is why everyone is not taking this into account
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this is why it's such a trap which is why like we're on this train barreling down this pathway which is super risky
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progress trap - double bind - AI - ubiquity - Rationale: we will have to equip many systems with AI - including military systems - Already connected to the internet - AI will be embedded in every critical piece of infrastructure in the future - What happens if something goes wrong? - Now there is an alignment failure everywhere - We will potentially have superintelligence within 3 years - Alignment failures will become catastrophic with them
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getting a base model to you know make money by default it may well learn to lie to commit fraud to deceive to hack to seek power because 00:47:50 in the real world people actually use this to make money
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progress trap - AI - example - instruct AI to earn money - Getting a base model to make money. By default it may well learn - to lie - to commit fraud - to deceive - to hack - to seek power - because in the real world - people actually use this to make money - even maybe they'll learn to - behave nicely when humans are looking and then - pursue more nefarious strategies when we aren't watching
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progress trap - AI - one nightmare scenario - Whoever is the first to control superintelligence will possibly have enough power to - seize control from pre superintelligence forces - even without the robots small civilization of superintelligence would be able to - hack any undefended military election television system and cunningly persuade generals electoral and economically out compete nation states - design new synthetic bioweapons and then - pay a human in Bitcoin to synthetically synthesize it
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military power and Technology progress have been tightly linked historically and with extraordinarily rapid technological 00:34:11 progress will come military revolutions
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progress trap - AI and even more powerful weapons of destruction - The podcaster's excitement seems to overshadow any concern of the tragic unintended consequences of weapons even more powerful than nuclear warheads. - With human base emotions still stuck in the past and our species continued reliance on violence to solve problems, more powerful weapons is not the solution, - indeed, they only make the problem worse - Here is where Ronald Wright's quote is so apt: - We humans are running modern software on 50,000 year old hardware systems - Our cultural evolution, of which AI is a part of, is happening so quickly, that - it is racing ahead of our biological evolution - We aren't able to adapt fast enough for the rapid cultural changes that AI is going to create, and it may very well destroy us
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this is where we can see the doubling time of the global economy in years from 1903 it's been 15 years but after super intelligence what happens is it going to be every 3 years is it going be every five is it going to 00:33:22 be every year is it going to be every 6 months I mean how crazy is the growth going to be
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progress trap - AI triggering massive economic growth - planetary boundaries - The podcaster does not consider the ramifications of the potential disastrous impact of such economic growth if not managed properly
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AGI level factories are going to shift from going to human run to AI directed using human physical labor soon to be fully being run by swarms of human level robots
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progress trap - human enslavement? - Isn't what the speaker is talking about here is that - AI will be the masters and - humans will become slaves?
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super intelligence is going to be like this across many domains it's going to be 00:31:42 able to find exploits in human code too subtle for humans to notice and it's going to be able to generate code too complicated for any human to understand even if the model spent decades trying to explain it
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progress trap - superintelligence threat - super intelligence is going to be far beyond our cognitive capabilities across many domains. For example, - it's going to be able to find exploits in human code too subtle for humans to notice - it's going to be able to generate code too complicated for any human to understand - even if the model spent decades trying to explain it - How do we entrust ourselves to a superintelligence that is so far beyond us? If it thinks we are expendable, it could easily find our weaknesses and bring about extinction
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progress trap - debate - nobody is discussing the dangers of such a project! - Civlization's journey has to create more and more powerful tools for human beings to use - but this tool is different because it can act autonomously - It can solve problems that will dwarf our individual or even group ability to solve - Philosophically, the problem / solution paradigm becomes a central question because, - As presented in Deep Humanity praxis, - humans have never stopped producing progress traps as shadow sides of technology because - the reductionist problem solving approach always reaches conclusions based on finite amount of knowledge of the relationships of any one particular area of focus - in contrast to the infinite, fractal relationships found at every scale of nature - Supercomputing can never bridge the gap between finite and infinite - A superintelligent artifact with that autonomy of pattern recognition may recognize a pattern in which humans are not efficient and in fact, greater efficiency gains can be had by eliminating us
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progress trap - AI - milestone - automated AI researcher - This is a serious concern that must be debated - An AI researcher that does research on itself has no moral compass and can encode undecipherable code into future generations of AI that provides no back door to AI if something goes wrong. - For instance, if AI reached the conclusion that humans need to be eliminated in order to save the biosphere, - it can disseminate its strategies covertly under secret communications with unbreakable code
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to your point for 00:13:46 every problem there's going to be a solution and AI is going to have it and then for every solution for that there's going to be a new problem
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this is more of a unfair competition 00:10:36 issue I think as a clearer line than the copyright stuff
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now there's going to be even more AI music pouring 00:09:04 into platforms which saturated Market in an already oversaturated Market
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to - P2P Foundation - Michel Bauwens - Commons Transition Plan - Netarchical Capitalism - Predatory Capitalism https://hyp.is/o-Hp-DCAEe-8IYef613YKg/wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Commons_Transition_Plan
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Tobacco, alcohol, processed foods and fossil fuels ‘kill 2.7m a year in Europe’
for - wicked problems - progress trap - bad news - desensitization
wicked problems - progress trap - bad news - desensitization - many people become desensitized to bad news
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let's face it if you create a traumatized child you then have 00:44:39 to have the capacity for dealing with the traumatized child so it's not just out of benevolence to him but also that it's a lot easier to be in relationship 00:44:51 with someone for the rest of your life that a that you haven't damaged
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quote - Nora Bateson - progress trap - traumatizing our children (see below) - Let's face it, - If you create a traumatized child - you then have to have the capacity - for dealing with the traumatized child - So it's not just out of benevolence to him but also that - it's a lot easier to be in relationship with someone for the rest of your life that - you haven't damaged
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I think one of the things that you're describing is what it looks 00:44:00 like to try to do something without breaking something else
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this is where we get into trouble is trying to solve problems in isolated ways
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quote - Nora Bateson - progress trap - (see below)
- This is where we get into trouble
- trying to solve problems in isolated ways
- This is where we get into trouble
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the solution to the consequence is likely to perpetuate the actual problem
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quote - progress trap - Nora Bateson - book - Combining - (see below)
- In the singularity of its mission to hastily fix one malady at a time
- the cure may be more harmful than the wound
- Most identified problems as they have emerged
- are really the consequence or symptoms of other conditions
- The solution to the consequence is likely to perpetuate the actual problem
- In the singularity of its mission to hastily fix one malady at a time
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what's the point what am i g to get out of this it's the same question actually
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question - How to respond when asked what's the point or what's in it for me? - When these questions pop up, - it can be a good opportunity to engage the other in deeper dialogue to reveal deeper complexity
adjacency - between - questions - what's in it for me? - what's the point? - human attention - progress trap - complexity - emptiness - adjacency relationship - These questions come up a lot - and they indicate a normative human tendency: - When we focus attention on what we consider salient in our dynamic, constructed salience landscape - at the same time it defocuses our attention from the rest of the field the salient feature occurs within - In this sense, overemphasize on these questions could reveal a dependency on oversimplification - of the complexity inherent all every life situation - Remember that emptiness, with its pillars of - intertwingledness and - change - pervades everything, everywhere and everytime - and such continuous oversimplification is tantamount to - ignoring the empty nature of reality and - leads to progress traps
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you can take a lot more than you are and have a lot more information
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adjacency - between - Nora Bateson comment - Stop Reset Go complexity mapping<br /> - open source - progress trap mitigation - Indyweb/Indranet
- adjacency relationship
- When Nora talks about the
- oversimplified,
- reductionist
- problem-solving approach that most of modernity employs to tackle wicked problems,
- it boils down to oversimplification.
- There are usually far more causes and conditions to a problem than are known to construct the solution
- In Deep Humanity praxis, this is how we get into progress traps, the shadow side of progress
- The Stop Reset Go complexity mapping system is designed to reveal greater information by
- creating a space for diverse perspectives to systematically engage in addressing the same wicked problem
- This system must be open source in order to create the space for maximum diversity
- The Stop Reset Go process is specifically designed as a workspace for diversity for the purpose of
- mitigating progress traps and
- helping find more effective ways to address wicked problems
- This is done by using Trailmark Markin notation within the Indyweb/Indranet people-centered, interpersonal software ecosystem
- When Nora talks about the
- adjacency relationship
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you have now written a paper which I've read on this concept. You're now referring to it as immature versus authentic progress
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We talk about what is progress, the history of progress, who gets to write the progress 00:01:18 narrative and whether progress itself actually means betterment for society,
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academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
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for - progress trap - food - artificial sweetener - xylitol - erythritol
progress trap - food - artificial sweetener - xylitol - erythritol Abstract - Low-calorie sweeteners are widely used sugar substitutes in processed foods with presumed health benefits. - Many low-calorie sweeteners are - sugar alcohols that also - are produced endogenously, - albeit at levels - over 1000-fold lower than observed following - consumption as a sugar substitute.
conclusion - Xylitol is associated with incident MACE risk. - Moreover, xylitol both - enhanced platelet reactivity and - thrombosis potential in vivo. - Further studies examining the cardiovascular safety of xylitol are warranted.
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Many low-calorie sweeteners are sugar alcohols that also are produced endogenously, albeit at levels over 1000-fold lower than observed following consumption as a sugar substitute.
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progress trap - food - artificial sweetener - xylitol - erythritol - Low-calorie sweeteners are widely used sugar substitutes in processed foods with presumed health benefits. - Many low-calorie sweeteners are - sugar alcohols that also - are produced endogenously, - albeit at levels - over 1000-fold lower than observed following - consumption as a sugar substitute.
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progress trap - sugar substitutes - xylitol - erythlitol
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