for - Indyweb dev - Indranet dev - Vannevar Bush - memex - Douglas Engelbart - Mother of all demonstrations - Ted Nelson - Project Xanadu - transclusion

5 reasons L's bidirectionality is different to pkm tools / Xanadu. The first two are most key imo: they can be initiated from both sides of a link, and result in the same thing. (e.g. diff from [[Webmention 20200926203019]], and two the links are standard URLs (in standard Markdown), whereas Roam / Notion abstract them away in a db, moving outside their role as viewer, and Obs maintains its viewer role, but adds things to the notes not obviously interpretable outside of it.

I'd add that the linked snippets are a different unit of linking from what Obs et al support. Much closer to the granularity where the knowledge work is done. Surprisal I rarely find in a paragraph, mostly in part of a sentence. Questions latch onto a single word sometimes.

I'm curious if anyone has ever experimented with making an online Luhmann-esque Zettelkasten using WikiMedia as their platform?

What were the pros/cons you found for doing so?

Have you tried other methods (index cards, Obsidian, other(s)?), and if so what affordances did MediaWiki provide or were lacking for what you were attempting to accomplish?

Did you use transclusion functionality?

Did you attempt to build or implement backlink functionality? Use the API or plugins for this?

Did you build some sort of custom index (manually, programatically, other)?

If you used it for writing, what methods did you attempt with respect to taking the smaller pieces/ideas and building them up into longer written pieces?

Links to specific public examples are welcome here. I'll also accept links to public versions of commonplace books or similar forms which also use MediaWiki as their infrastructure.

syndication link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Zettelkasten/comments/144hzn9/zettelkasten_with_mediawiki/

El hipertexto permite que se de la interacción por medio de enlaces y la conexión de conocimientos, saberes y/o experiencias de otros, con la acción dar un click para poder acceder a nueva información. Esto se consideraría transclusión, si?

Pero cuando ocurre el trasncopyright?

from https://web.archive.org/web/20061108162904/http://www.stifflog.com/2006/10/16/stiff-asks-great-programmers-answer/

from https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/msdn-magazine/2012/june/don-t-get-me-started-the-silent-majority-why-visual-basic-6-still-thrives

from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616667

from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8439611

!- demonstration : transclusion - very intuitive and effective, if not primitive

Possibly, besides web monetization, there can be donation basket like ko-fi beside curation, as well as cleatly linking back to the original that can have a donation basket as well. The options are complementary.

What are the potential different affordances allowed by giving cards titles versus giving them topic keywords or other taxonomic links?

Card titles may be useful in analog settings, but they can be even more valuable in digital settings where one can transclude "cards" (read: ideas) into outlines.

Both of these two patterns have some similarities. Is Allosso differentiating between them? As his notes don't seem to have titles otherwise, one would presume that he's solely referring to topic categories.

no mention of the affordances of being able to cross-link things or even transclude them from an original location (which works for one currently) to another useful location.

Me gusta que algunas de sus ideas, a pesar de no ser tan populares, están dispersas y han persistido en el desarrollo de algunas tecnologías, como la transclusión que es posible hacerla en herramientas como TiddlyWiki

It is crucial to have an open standard, and I think the people from indieweb already did a lot of the work. Webmentions are just the communication layer, but. microformats may be a great tool to keep in mind.

Many in the IndieWeb have already prototyped this using some open web standards. It's embodied in the idea of media fragments and fragmentions, a portmanteau of the words fragment and Webmention.

A great example can be found at https://www.kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia

This reminds me that I need to kick my own server to fix the functionality on my main site and potentially add it to a few others.

Thinking about Git repositories, this is how submodules work. you 'freeze' the 'transclusion' to one exact commit and can update if and when needed. Moreover, the contents are stored within the local repository, so they are future-proof.

If one is worried about link rot for transclusion, why not just have a blockquote of the original in excerpt form along with a reference link to the original. Then you've got a permanent copy of the original and the link can send a webmention to it as a means of notification?

If the original quoted page changes, it could potentially send a webmention (technically a salmention in function) to all the pages that had previously mentioned it to create updates.

Automatic transclusion can also be more problematic in terms of original useful data being used as a vector of spam, graffiti, or other abuses.

As an example, I can "transclude" a portion of your page onto my own website as a reply context for my comment and syndicate a copy to Hypothes.is. If you've got Webmentions on your site, you'll get a notification.

For several years now I've been considering why digital gardens/zettelkasten/commonplace books don't implement webmention as a means of creating backlinks between wikis as a means of sites having conversations?

Although Bush envisioned associative trails to be navigable sequences of original content and notes interspersed, what seems to make more sense when viewed through today's technology, is a rich document of notes where the relevant pieces from external documents are transcluded.

Hey, got to get my plug in. :)

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