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  1. May 2026
    1. A key subtext in the tweets is that high-margin enterprise/coding/cyber workloads may now be sufficient to support frontier labs without broad public access to their best models. This becomes more plausible if Anthropic’s revenue is indeed compounding as fast as posters claim.

      The author presents this as a 'subtext,' but it's actually a central thesis being pushed. It reframes the 'hoarding' of powerful models not as a potential negative, but as a new, economically rational business model—a highly counterintuitive position that challenges the traditional 'open access' ethos of AI development.

    2. We’ve done a focused news summary run below, for those who desire more detail.

      This is a classic rhetorical device that signals the author is about to pivot away from objective reporting and into curated interpretation. The preceding text is not a 'summary' but a highly selective presentation of data points designed to support a specific thesis, making this line a disingenuous signpost.

    3. If a master tactician wanted to further competitive narratives vs a potential IPO, you would be hard pressed to find a better idea than Claude Mythos... and now formally confirmed to be too dangerous to release GA, instead only restricted to 40 partners under an urgent new “Project GlassWing”

      This is a masterclass in narrative engineering. The 'too dangerous to release' claim serves a dual purpose: it creates a powerful safety narrative for Anthropic while simultaneously manufacturing scarcity and an exclusive 'private frontier' dynamic, which is a brilliant non-obvious strategic move to justify closed access and high valuation.

    4. Against the backdrop of OpenAI announcing $24B ARR, stalled ChatGPT growth and coincidental personnel moves in CEO, COO, and CMO and sensationalist rumors with CFO, this week’s events in Anthropic announcing a massive jump from $19B ARR in March to $30B ARR in April seems like a VERY strategic jab, especially considering known differences in revenue recognition, but the differential rate of growth and higher cost efficiency is undeniable… only for today to step it up a notch.

      This framing is intentionally misleading. The $30B ARR figure is not a confirmed disclosure but a market interpretation. The article's author is constructing a narrative of a 'jab' using speculative, third-party claims to build a competitive story that isn't directly supported by primary-source data from Anthropic.

    1. FORM S-1REGISTRATION STATEMENTUNDER THE SECURITIES ACT OF 1933Space Exploration Technologies Corp

      This is the day S-1 junkies have been looking forward to - everyone's favorite It Does Everything company: SpaceX! Snark is 100% intentional, mistakes or misrepresentations are not. Please don't sue.

    1. going full ai engineer, not touching code anymore
      • Shift in Role and Passion: The author has stopped writing manual code entirely after nearly two decades as a developer. They realized the actual enjoyment came from software design, architecture, and problem-solving, rather than the mechanical overhead of typing out code.
      • The "Toll" of Typing: Writing boilerplate code, null checks, imports, and repetitive logic is characterized as a "toll" paid to bring systemic ideas into reality. AI agents now handle this translation layer entirely.
      • New Core Responsibilities: The job has evolved into writing clear specifications, designing robust architectures, orchestrating multiple AI agents, and aggressively reviewing diffs to reject bad implementations.
      • The Importance of "Taste": Utilizing AI agents successfully requires profound technical taste. An engineer must understand what to insist on, detect fake test coverage, and identify load-bearing assumptions that are likely to fail.
      • Vibe-Coding Warning: Blindly relying on AI to write unread code into unverified systems results in fragile production software. Evaluating code is harder than producing it, meaning AI tools will make bad engineers worse and efficient engineers better.
      • Identity and Future Uncertainty: The author admits they would likely quit engineering altogether if forced to return to manual coding. However, they acknowledge unresolved questions regarding how this shift affects the training and hiring of junior engineers who won't build foundational muscle memory.

      Hacker News Discussion

      • The Skill Disconnect for Juniors: A dominant theme is how junior developers will gain the necessary "taste" and evaluation skills if they completely skip the grueling phase of writing and debugging code manually.
      • The Cognitive Load of Code Review: Many commenters argue that reading, auditing, and maintaining AI-generated code is mentally exhausting. They note that debugging subtle, hallucinated logic errors written by an agent is often more difficult than writing the logic from scratch.
      • Loss of Mastery and Dependency: Users express concern over the degradation of raw coding skills. Becoming entirely reliant on a fluctuating AI tool stack risks leaving engineers stranded if the quality of the models regresses or changes.
      • Analogy to Higher-Level Languages: Several participants view this evolution as a natural continuation of computer science history, comparing the shift to moving from Assembly to C, or from C to Python, where engineers routinely surrendered low-level control for higher abstraction.
    1. AI Is Too Expensive
      • Fundamental Economic Unviability: AI is currently financially unsustainable for everyone except hardware manufacturers (like NVIDIA) and construction firms benefiting from data center buildouts.
      • Astronomical Capex Sunk Cost: Hyperscalers (Microsoft, Google, Meta, Amazon) have spent over $800 billion in the last three years, with trillions more planned through 2027. To break even or justify this, they would need unprecedented, multi-hundred-billion-dollar surges in AI-specific revenue that are nowhere in sight.
      • Obscured AI Revenue: Tech giants consistently hide actual AI revenues within broader categories. Traded companies rely on "revenue run rates" (which are monthly snapshots, not true annual revenues) to project false stability.
      • Heavy Dependency on OpenAI and Anthropic: Over 50% of hyperscalers' revenue backlogs (Remaining Performance Obligations) are driven directly by OpenAI and Anthropic—unprofitable entities that burn billions in compute and require massive cash injections just to survive.
      • Exploding, Unpredictable Customer Costs: Enterprise clients (such as Zillow and Stripe) are burning through annual token budgets in mere months due to executive mandates to "use AI for everything."
      • Lack of Transparency and Accountability: AI labs like Anthropic do not provide standard corporate service-level agreements (SLAs) or granular usage telemetry. This makes it virtually impossible for enterprise customers to predict or manage token expenditures.
      • Zero Measurable ROI: The heavy adoption of AI inside companies is creating structural chaos and technical debt. It relies entirely on experimental token spending driven by corporate fear of missing out (FOMO) rather than actual productivity gains.

      Hacker News Discussion

      • Audience Capture vs. Solid Reporting: Some commenters argue that the author has fallen into "audience capture," catering heavily to a crowd that wants to see AI fail. Conversely, defenders point out that he uncovers crucial insider metrics and that tech companies have historically hidden weak business margins behind hype.
      • The Reality of Compute Constraints: Users debate whether the market is truly saturated or experiencing a massive supply crunch. Providers are routinely hitting capacity limits, with backlogs growing into the hundreds of billions of dollars.
      • Unsustainable Investment vs. Technology Value: Multiple comments draw a distinct line between AI being a valuable tool and the current investment levels being a bubble. Many believe AI will face a "race to the bottom" where providers operate at a loss until prices drop significantly.
      • Local and Open Source Alternatives: Some argue that because strong models can now be run locally for free, or trained cheaply by international competitors, the expensive hosting models of major AI labs face an uphill battle to ever turn a profit.
    1. Indulge in seasonal buffet brunch.

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    2. ntertainment is built into the experience, not an afterthought

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    3. SEE YOU AT THE BEACH

      The website supports keyboard navigation using the Tab key, which improves accessibility for users who cannot use a mouse due to motor impairments. This follows the WCAG “Operable” principle because users can move through menus and interactive elements without relying on mouse hovering alone.

    4. Our dynamic beach club experience is founded on the art of entertaining. From weddings and milestone celebrations to corporate gatherings and brand events, every detail is designed to transport your guests beyond the ordinary. With versatile spaces overlooking the shoreline and a setting that shifts seamlessly from day to night, Toronto Beach Club becomes more than a venue. It’s a destination where moments are created, memories are shared, and every occasion feels like an escape.

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    5. Where the beach is yours, no membership required

      This is good practice. The homepage uses large headings and visually clear sections, which helps users perceive information more easily. This follows the perceivable principle because content is easier to distinguish and read for users with visual impairments.

    1. I started undoing the 'participatory' design plans I unilaterally made to reconceive acollective methodology with more uncertain, voluntary, and relational dynamics. Surprisingly, this'ineffective' ongoing turn became a strength rather than a limitation—

      No plan is unilateral, we are a conduit of past relationships, of people who have influenced us, and we acknowledge this so much that we allow the transference of autonomy through "differently abled" people guardians, stewards of nature, animal caretakers, and political representatives.

      What Volpi is looking for without stating is a sustainable equalised economy where there are no power monopolies and notable hierarchies that may lead to oppression. But to say that "inefficiency" is a "strength" unkowingly perpetuates those oppressive structures, because this "inefficiency" is almost exclusive of wealthy people. Volpi's language is colonised, as they probably don't realise this.

      Say they get involved in an actually slow process, one where they don't propose, but wait for others to ask, one, like an ethnography, where they learn and listen and don't try to impose themselves and their ideas because that is the productivist system that academia perpetuates... then the group they end up in will either be a marginally small group of outcast people, or privileged (or both), with minimal potential impact for change; or they will end up in a bigger already existing association where they in a way "inflitrate" and only over multiple years start to achieve trust capital to push their ideas (having also taken some others' in order to claim epistemic humility and a certain representativeness).

      Let's see... how do I spell this? We must not condone infinite growth, but when it comes to things like ending poverty, I think our stance should be unambiguously clear that this is progress, that this is positive.

    Annotators

    1. when the prices of produce rise in the winter, we don’t call this inflation because prices typically decrease again in the spring

      Price of a single product is irrelevant. You mean seasonal influences?

    2. The value of your bank balance also decreases because, with higher prices, it takes more money to purchase the same quantity of goods and services.

      Why is this sentence needed? Deposits are money.

    1. Why is almost everyone right-handed? The answer may lie in how we learned to walk
      • Human handedness has long been an evolutionary enigma, with roughly 90% of people across all cultures preferring their right hand—a population-level bias not found on this scale in any other primate species.
      • A new study led by the University of Oxford and published in PLOS Biology suggests that human right-handedness is tied to two defining evolutionary traits: bipedalism (walking on two legs) and brain expansion.
      • Researchers analyzed data from 2,025 individuals across 41 primate species. When factoring in brain size and the relative length of arms to legs (an anatomical marker of bipedalism), humans no longer appeared as an evolutionary anomaly in the models.
      • The findings support a two-stage evolutionary process:
        • First, walking upright freed the hands from locomotion, creating selective pressure for specialized, lateralized manual behaviors.
        • Second, as the brain dramatically expanded and reorganized, this rightward bias solidified into the near-universal pattern seen today.
      • Evolutionary projections of extinct human ancestors suggest a gradient: early hominins (Ardipithecus and Australopithecus) likely had only a mild rightward preference, which strengthened with the genus Homo (Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, and Neanderthals) before reaching the modern extreme in Homo sapiens.
      • Homo floresiensis (the small-brained "hobbit" species) is a striking exception with a much weaker predicted preference, aligning with its smaller brain and body adapted to a mix of climbing and walking.

      Hacker News Discussion

      • Cooperation vs. Competition Dynamics: Commenters noted that population-level handedness may stem from the collaborative nature of humans, where learning tasks is easier when using the same hand. Conversely, in purely competitive environments like ping-pong or fencing, a 50-50 split or a higher prevalence of left-handedness emerges because lefties enjoy the evolutionary "frequency-dependent" advantage of being rare and unpredictable to opponents.
      • Linguistic and Cultural Asymmetry: A discussion arose regarding how the word "right" historically equates to correctness, law, or justice in various Indo-European languages, while "left" often holds negative connotations (e.g., originating from words meaning "weak" or Latin roots like sinister). Users debated whether this linguistic baggage is uniquely Western or reflects an inherent human bias toward pairing up/light/right with positivity.
      • Innate vs. Learned Handedness: Users shared personal anecdotes about learning to use their non-dominant hand for complex tasks, such as switching from right-handed arrow keys to left-handed WASD controls in PC gaming, or playing musical instruments.
      • Adaptability of Left-Handed Individuals: Left-handed users emphasized that living in a predominantly right-handed world forces them to be functionally ambidextrous to navigate daily tools, trackpads, and vehicle stick shifts, whereas right-handed individuals rarely have to adapt their non-dominant hand unless prompted by injury.
    1. Współdzielenie Skills i Agents między Codex i Claude Code
      • The Problem: Developers using multiple local AI terminal agents (such as Codex, Claude Code, or OpenCode) quickly face fragmentation when trying to manage custom skills, agent roles, and project-specific instructions. Files end up being scattered across varying default directories or duplicated manually across the user's home folders.
      • The Solution: A centralized directory architecture within the project repository that acts as a single source of truth (ai/), sharing identical configurations across different AI tools through local symbolic links (symlinks).
      • Directory Layout & "Source of Truth":
        • All active configuration files reside inside a single /ai folder, split into /ai/agents (who the model should be—e.g., Architect, Reviewer, Incident Commander) and /ai/skills (how the model performs tasks—e.g., API Review, Security Check, Frontend QA).
      • The Symlink Mechanism:
        • Instead of configuring generic home directories (~/.claude or ~/.codex), local tool-specific directories are generated inside the project (.agents/ for Codex and .claude/ for Claude Code).
        • Using terminal commands (like ln -sfn on macOS/Linux or New-Item -ItemType SymbolicLink on Windows PowerShell), symlinks are established to point both .agents/ and .claude/ folders to the exact same /ai sub-directories.
      • Key Advantages:
        • Centralization: Establishes a single, distinct source of truth for all AI interactions within the workspace.
        • Tool Compatibility: Seamlessly supplies the exact same data to different AI agents without manual file copying.
        • Team Portability & Version Control: Because Git natively tracks symbolic links, the entire team receives the exact same AI tooling, workflows, and prompts directly upon cloning the repository.
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      Reply to the reviewers

      Manuscript number: RC-2025-03227R

      Corresponding author(s): Dr. David Skerrett-Byrne & Prof. Brett Nixon

      1. General Statements

      We are grateful to the reviewers and editorial team for their thoughtful and constructive evaluation of our manuscript. The comments provided were insightful and have substantially strengthened the rigor, clarity, and presentation of the study. In response, we have carefully revised the manuscript throughout, including clarification of conceptual interpretations, expansion of methodological detail, refinement and condensation of the Discussion, as well as addition of new supplementary analyses and figures. Collectively, we believe these revisions have improved both the transparency and accessibility of the work while reinforcing the central conclusions of the study.

      At its core, this study sought to address a major unresolved question in reproductive biology: how spermatozoa, which are transcriptionally and translationally inert, achieve functional competence during post-testicular maturation. Using deep, stage-resolved phosphoproteomics integrated with functional validation approaches, we demonstrate that the majority of sperm phosphoproteomic remodelling occurs during epididymal maturation rather than during capacitation, challenging long-standing paradigms in the field. Beyond generating one of the deepest sperm phosphoproteomic resources currently available (>14,000 phosphosites), the study also provides functional and physiological context through kinase inhibition studies, in vivo knockout phenotypes, and the development of the ShinySpermPhospho online resource to facilitate community access and future discovery.

      Importantly, through the review process we have worked carefully to ensure that the manuscript more clearly distinguishes data-driven conclusions from hypothesis-generating interpretations, particularly in areas relating to kinase prediction, metabolic regulation, and phosphoproteomic remodelling. We believe the revised manuscript now presents a more balanced and rigorous framework while preserving the significance of the central findings.

      Overall, we hope the revised manuscript now provides a valuable resource and conceptual advance for the reproductive biology community, with implications extending from fundamental sperm cell biology to translational opportunities in male infertility and contraceptive development.

      2. Point-by-point description of the revisions

      REVIEWER #1

      The manuscript by Skerrett-Byrne and collaborators represents a comprehensive and technically sophisticated phosphoproteomics study. Using high-resolution mass spectrometry on mouse sperm obtained from the caput and cauda regions of the epididymis, both before and after capacitation, the authors generated a more complete database of phosphorylation changes in these cells. One of the most interesting outcomes is that most of these changes occur during sperm maturation, rather than sperm capacitation. The work is important and relevant, and the information obtained could be valuable for reproductive biologists working in basic science, as well as for the identification of novel contraceptive targets.

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for their positive assessment of our work and for recognising the value of the datasets we have generated for supporting future innovations in both fundamental reproductive biology and the identification of novel contraceptive targets. We are also delighted that the reviewer has recognised the significance that, contrary to previously thought, the majority of the phosphorylation changes we report occur during epididymal maturation, rather than subsequently during capacitation.

      • The title should include a reference to sperm capacitation, as most of the study focuses on comparisons between epididymal maturation and capacitation, and the functional experiments are based on the latter. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this suggestion and have revised the title to reflect the importance of our focus on both phases of post-testicular sperm maturation, namely epididymal sperm maturation and sperm capacitation (please see line 1).

      • Considering the newly reported changes in phosphosites, it would be desirable to include validation at the individual protein level for at least a few examples, using an independent technique such as western blotting. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful suggestion and fully appreciate the motivation to seek orthogonal validation of phosphoproteomic findings. However, we respectfully wish to express our reservations regarding the use of antibody-based validation of site-specific phosphorylation events, a technique that is increasingly being recognised as problematic and, in many cases, less reliable than modern MS-based approaches (Nature, PMID: 39506148). Indeed, high-resolution mass spectrometry provides direct, site-resolved identification and quantification of phosphorylation events with substantially greater specificity, accuracy, and proteoform resolution than antibody-based methods. For this reason, MS-based phosphoproteomics is now widely regarded as the gold standard for mapping phosphorylation dynamics.

      With regard to the use of antibodies, many commercially available phospho-specific antibodies lack sufficient site specificity, often have poorly defined or undocumented epitope recognition, and frequently fail to discriminate between closely related proteoforms or neighbouring phosphorylation sites. Indeed, recent large-scale evaluations have demonstrated that many widely used antibodies do not reliably bind their intended targets, raising concerns about reproducibility and interpretability across the biomedical sciences (PMID: 37995198). In one study, testing the utility of >600 antibodies, two thirds failed to work as described (PMID: 37995198), while the literature also features other studies (e.g. PMID: 31612854) reporting that certain antibodies (SC-138763) do not bind their stated target despite having been "used in 15 published manuscripts to ascribe specific properties to the protein in normal and disease states", collectively cited >3,000 times.

      Accordingly, while we recognise the importance of independent validation, we contend that antibody-based validation may not be the most appropriate strategy to improve the robustness of the conclusions in this study. It is for this reason that we elected to strengthen confidence in our findings through multiple complementary approaches, including rigorous statistical filtering, extensive in-silico pathway and kinase analyses, selective pharmacological inhibition of target proteins, and in vivo functional interrogation using knockout mouse models. Together, these orthogonal strategies provide additional biological validation linking the reported phosphorylation changes to aspects of sperm function.

      We have clarified this rationale in the revised manuscript and briefly expanded the discussion to touch on these methodological strengths and limitations (please see lines 754 - 759).

      • In the knockout models, it is not possible to distinguish between defects in spermatogenesis and those arising during maturation or capacitation. A parameter directly related to spermatogenesis should therefore be included, for example, testicular weight or histology, sperm number, and sperm morphology. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. We agree that systemic knockout models do not allow definitive discrimination between defects arising during spermatogenesis versus those occurring downstream during post-testicular sperm maturation or capacitation. Unfortunately, the additional parameters suggested by the reviewer do not form part of the standardised phenotyping pipeline implemented by the International Mouse Phenotyping Consortium (IMPC) and the European Mouse Mutant Archive (EMMA). As such, these data are not available for the knockout lines examined in this study and cannot be retrospectively generated. We have therefore clarified this limitation more explicitly in the revised manuscript and have framed the knockout data as physiological validation concerning the functional relevance of the parent protein rather than as definitive evidence of stage-specific or phosphorylation-dependent mechanisms of action. Importantly, the consistency of impaired sperm motility and fertilisation outcomes across multiple independent knockout lines supports the biological importance of the parent proteins identified, while acknowledging that the precise developmental window of their action remains to be resolved. While we regrettably concede that it is beyond the scope of this study, we do acknowledge that future studies will be required to dissect these mechanisms with greater resolution, ideally using germ cell-specific or temporally controlled knockout models, or targeted manipulation of key phosphoproteins and/or their phosphorylation motifs. Such approaches will be essential if we are to be able to distinguish roles of target proteins in spermatogenesis from those that occur downstream during epididymal maturation and capacitation (please see lines 725 - 733).

      • Error values, sample size, and statistical analyses are missing from Figure 7 and should be provided for clarity. __Answer: __We apologise for this omission and have now updated Figure 7 and its legend to include sample sizes, error values, and details of the statistical analyses used, thereby improving clarity and reproducibility of these data.

      In addition, we have clarified that sperm functional data derived from EMMA knockout lines are generated from cryopreserved samples comprising pooled cauda epididymal spermatozoa collected from 10 heterozygous males per line (PMID: 17709347, 38839949). As such, each data point represents a pooled biological sample, consistent with standardised EMMA/INFRAFRONTIER protocols (PMID: 25414328, 27262858, 38839949). Where appropriate, we have also included additional reproductive metrics at the level of IVF cycle (where available) and individual litters, including average litter size and fetal sex distribution (with exceptions for specific lines where such data are not available). These details are now captured in both the Methods and relevant figure legends (please see lines 453 - 457, 1228 - 1234, 1431 - 1434, 1533 - 1536, 1572 - 1575, Figure 7 & S6).


      REVIEWER #2

      In this manuscript, the authors examine dynamic modifications of the sperm phosphoproteome during epididymal transit and capacitation. They compare three distinct populations differing in anatomical localization and activation status: caput sperm, non capacitated cauda sperm, and capacitated cauda sperm. Using high resolution tandem mass spectrometry, they reveal that phosphorylation changes during epididymal passage are far more extensive than previously appreciated. These findings are further validated in genetically modified animal models, where disruption of selected genes encoding for phosphoproteins results in marked defects in sperm motility and fertilization capacity.

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for their positive and thoughtful evaluation of our study and for recognising both the depth of the phosphoproteomic dataset and the importance of the functional validation experiments; sentiments that we whole heartly agree with.

      • Throughout the text, and particularly in the paragraph entitled 'Epididymal maturation accounts for the majority of maturation associated sperm cell signaling,' it seems that phosphorylation is interpreted as inherently activatory and dephosphorylation as inhibitory (lines 248-252). Since this relationship is not universally applicable, it would be valuable to address this issue at the outset of the paragraph and to discuss how phosphorylation events are context dependent in their effects on protein function. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for highlighting this important conceptual point. We fully agree that phosphorylation is not inherently activatory, nor is dephosphorylation necessarily inhibitory, and that the functional consequences of phosphorylation are highly context dependent. We have revised the indicated paragraph to explicitly acknowledge this at the outset to ensure that phosphorylation changes are interpreted as regulatory rather than intrinsically directional (please see lines 219 - 222).

      • Lines 392-393: the claim that "the introduction of each inhibitor to populations of capacitating spermatozoa led to a significant reduction..." is not fully supported by data and should be toned down. In fact, two out of three inhibitors, do not significantly affect the acrosome reaction. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this careful assessment and agree that the original wording overstated the nuances of the effects of individual inhibitors. We have revised the text to explicitly report the corresponding p-values and to distinguish between statistically significant and non-significant trends. Specifically, inhibition of PAK1 produced a statistically significant reduction in the acrosome reaction, whereas inhibition of STK33 (p = 0.0574) and HIPK4 (p = 0.0911) resulted in consistent, but non-significant, reductions. Importantly, combined inhibition of all three kinases yielded a robust and statistically significant suppression of acrosomal exocytosis. The revised wording now accurately reflects the quantitative data (please see lines 419 - 424, 700 - 703).

      • The discussion section, spanning 11 pages, is overly long and contains considerable repetition. I recommend transferring the detailed description of experiments to the 'Results' section and using the discussion primarily to synthesize and highlight the novel findings while limiting speculative content. For example, the content in lines 509-530 could be condensed and relocated to the Results. Likewise, other detailed examples would be more appropriately presented within their respective result paragraphs. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this constructive feedback. We agree that the Discussion was overly long and on reflection does contain some unnecessary repetition. In response, we have substantially condensed the Discussion (shorten by 641 words), relocated and shorten detailed descriptions of experimental observations to the Results section where appropriate (including the suggestion made), and focused the revised Discussion on synthesis of the key findings and their broader implications. We should note, to address certain review comments, this require further additions to the discussion but we have endeavour to keep this brief (please see lines 309 - 326 and throughout the discussion).

      • Minor points:

      • To improve reproducibility, the suppliers of all reagents should be specified together with their catalogue numbers
      • Figure 7: it is unclear which data are statistically significant
      • Figure 7B: fertilization capacity should be assessed at an earlier stage, as the cleavage rate to 2-cell embryo may be affected by factors unrelated to the sperm ability to fertilize

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for these suggestions. We have now added supplier information and catalogue numbers for all reagents to the Methods section to improve reproducibility (please see lines 1256 - 1257, 1295, 1299, 1310, 1333 - 1334, 1343 - 1344, 1388 - 1389, 1401, 1406). We have revised Figure 7 and its legend to clearly indicate statistically significant differences, including sample sizes and statistical tests used. Lastly, we agree that assessment at earlier fertilisation stages would complement our featured assessment of sperm fertilisation competence. Regrettably, all IVF data were generated via standardised and unbiased IMPC/EMMA pipelines. As such, cleavage rate to the 2-cell stage represents the earliest uniformly available endpoint across all knockout lines. We have clarified this limitation in the revised manuscript (please see lines 723 - 724).


      REVIEWER #3

      This is technically sophisticated phosphoproteomic study of mouse sperm maturation across the epididymis and during capacitation. The dataset is deep (>14,000 phosphosites) and the analyses integrate high-resolution MS, immunofluorescence, IPA, kinase mapping, pharmacological inhibition, and knockout mouse models. The manuscript represents a nice resource for the field. However, several issues limit clarity, mechanistic interpretation, and robustness of the conclusions. In particular, the manuscript's scope is extremely large, making some conclusions insufficiently supported, and some analyses require better control, methodological transparency, or deeper mechanistic connection. It gives the impression that some mechanistic data was added to descriptive data in order to increase the manuscript's impact, although the current mechanistic data is not convincing.

      Major concerns

      1. Conceptual Overreach - "Epididymal maturation accounts for 86% of phosphorylation changes" The manuscript repeatedly emphasizes that epididymal maturation causes the majority of phosphoproteomic remodeling. While the data indeed show large quantitative differences, several conceptual issues remain:

        • The caput vs. cauda comparison includes differences in protein abundance, not only phosphorylation*
        • Many phosphosites lost in the cauda may reflect protein loss, not dephosphorylation (the authors acknowledge this, but quantitative controls are insufficient)*
        • The normalization method for phosphopeptide abundance vs total protein abundance is needed*
        • It is unclear whether the same amount of starting material and equal protein loading were used across stages I would suggest to perform (or explicitly describe) normalization using matched proteome intensities. Provide supplementary plots showing phosphosite/parent-protein normalization to avoid overinterpreting phosphosite loss as dephosphorylation*

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this important and constructive critique and agree that interpretation of phosphoproteomic changes during epididymal maturation must carefully consider concurrent remodelling of the underlying sperm proteome.

      To directly address the concern that phosphosites lost in the cauda may reflect protein loss, not dephosphorylation, we have now explicitly compared these phosphoproteins lost during caput-to-cauda transit with proteins shown to be lost or reduced over the same maturation window in a previously published matched proteomic analysis of the same sperm populations. This comparison revealed that 527 phosphoproteins, out of a total of 966 phosphoproteins lost, overlapped with proteins lost during epididymal maturation, while a further 88 phosphoproteins aligning with proteins exhibiting reduced abundance during transit. While these data indicate that a subset of phosphosite loss can be attributed to complete loss of the parent protein, the remaining phosphoproteomic changes (45.4%) cannot be fully explained by protein disappearance alone and are therefore consistent with extensive phosphoproteomic remodelling. We have documented this information in a new panel of Supplementary Figure 1 (Figure S1B) and the corresponding text has been revised accordingly (please see lines 182 - 188).

      With respect to normalisation strategies, we respectfully note that normalisation of phosphopeptide intensities to total protein abundance is not universally accepted in large-scale phosphoproteomic analyses (PMID: 30190555, 34857927, 38576152), particularly in systems undergoing extensive proteome remodelling such as maturing spermatozoa. In many contexts, including our own previous work, phosphoproteomic analyses are performed on equal protein input and interpreted at the level of phosphopeptide abundance, with functional relevance established through orthogonal biological validation rather than ratio-based correction to total protein levels.

      Lastly, all samples in this study were diluted to equal total protein amounts prior to phosphopeptide enrichment, ensuring consistent input material across all sperm populations (originally noted in the manuscript, please see line 1339). We have now clarified this explicitly in the Results section to ensure this is not missed (please see lines 146 - 147). Moreover, our conclusions are supported by independent in-silico analyses, pharmacological inhibition studies, and in vivo knockout models, collectively providing functional validation that extends beyond phosphosite quantification alone.

      Finally, to address concerns regarding potential conceptual overreach, we have revised the language surrounding the statement that epididymal maturation accounts for ~86% of phosphorylation changes to ensure precise interpretation. Specifically, we have clarified that this value refers to the proportion of statistically significant differences in phosphopeptide abundance detected across maturation stages, to avoid implying direct measurement of net enzymatic dephosphorylation (please see lines 519 - 520).

      Importantly, having addressed the reviewer's concerns detailed above, we believe the data do support the conclusion that the majority of sperm phosphoproteomic remodelling occurs during epididymal maturation rather than during capacitation. While we have tempered our language to improve clarity, the central quantitative observation that epididymal transit represents the dominant phase of phosphoproteomic remodelling remains supported by the revised analyses.

      • Capacitation analysis is underpowered and oversimplified*

      The authors state that capacitation leads to "modest" changes. However:

        • The capacitation protocol uses dibutyryl-cAMP + pentoxifylline, which may bypass early physiological signaling. This is a important red flag __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this important point and agree that the choice of capacitation conditions influences the nature and magnitude of signalling events detected. The use of dibutyryl cAMP and pentoxifylline represents a well-established and widely adopted experimental model to induce robust and synchronised capacitation-associated signalling in mouse spermatozoa, acting specifically via the activation of the canonical cAMP/PKA signalling axis (PMID: 36384108, 22458710, 16221991). While we acknowledge that this approach bypasses some upstream physiological signalling events that initiate capacitation during sperm transit of the female reproductive tract, it is intentionally employed to provide a reproducible capacitation stimulus, specifically enabling us to discriminate phosphorylation changes associated with the attainment of sperm fertilization competence. This strategy also directly addresses a limitation of working with mouse spermatozoa in which these cells rapidly succumb to cell senescence/death within a matter of ~1-3 hours in an in vitro* setting. In our previous studies, we have noted that this time period is insufficient to achieve high levels of capacitation among populations of mouse spermatozoa, unless pharmacological agents (i.e. dibutyryl-cAMP + pentoxifylline) are supplemented to accelerate capacitation (PMID: 15252132). This is now a widely accepted paradigm in the field and one that enables us to deliver on our stated objective of assessing the phosphorylation status of fertilization competent spermatozoa, as opposed to those that are captured during early phases of the capacitation cascade.

      Importantly, our conclusion that capacitation is associated with comparatively fewer phosphoproteomic changes is based on direct quantitative comparison with epididymal maturation under identical analytical conditions, and is not intended to downplay the biological importance of this critical maturation event. Even under the capacitation-inducing conditions employed herein, the scale of phosphoproteomic remodelling observed was substantially smaller than that occurring during epididymal transit, underscoring the influence of epididymal maturation over the status of the sperm phosphoproteome.

      To address this concern, we have revised the manuscript to clarify that the capacitation-associated phosphoproteomic changes reported here are specific to the experimental model used and likely represent a conservative estimate of signalling complexity under physiological conditions. We have also tempered language implying generalisation beyond this context (please see lines 329 - 332, 488 - 491, 673 - 677).

      • *

      • Kinase prediction and functional validation require more rigor*

      The identification of 343 kinases that may regulate phospho-changes is extremely broad. Issues:

        • The kinase-substrate assignments rely heavily on in silico predictions (IPA, PhosphoSitePlus), which often contain non-sperm data. __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this important observation and fully agree that kinase-substrate assignments inferred from in-silico* resources such as IPA and PhosphoSitePlus are largely derived from non-sperm systems and therefore must be interpreted cautiously.

      Importantly, this limitation reflects a broader and well-recognised gap in the field; regrettably comprehensive, experimentally validated kinase-substrate networks do not currently exist for mammalian spermatozoa on this scale, particularly in the context of epididymal maturation and capacitation. The primary objective of the present study was therefore not to define definitive kinase-substrate relationships, but to generate a high-depth, sperm-specific phosphoproteomic resource that can serve as a foundation for hypothesis generation and future mechanistic interrogation.

      Accordingly, in-silico kinase prediction tools were employed to contextualise the phosphoproteomic data and to prioritise candidate kinases for functional testing, rather than to assert sperm-specific kinase-substrate specificity. We have revised the manuscript to clarify that these predictions represent informed starting points in a system where such information is currently lacking, and that functional relevance was subsequently assessed using complementary pharmacological and genetic approaches (please see lines 383 - 388, 682 - 686).

      By providing a deep, stage-resolved phosphoproteomic dataset encompassing more than 14,000 phosphosites, this study establishes a much-needed reference framework for the reproductive biology community, enabling future targeted validation of kinase-substrate relationships in sperm. We believe this resource-based contribution represents a major strength of the work and addresses a critical knowledge gap in the field.

      • *

        • Please explain the rationale by which, from 343 candidate kinases, 3 (STK33, HIPK4, PAK1) are selected.*
        • The pharmacological inhibitors used have off-target effects (ML281 inhibits multiple CMGC kinases; Foretinib inhibits MET/VEGFR; NVS-PAK1-1 inhibits PAK1/2/3).*
        • No control experiments are included to confirm kinase inhibition in sperm (e.g., phosphosite-specific Western blots)* __Answer: __We split this comment from the above, to best address this important critique. We agree that kinase-substrate relationships inferred from phosphoproteomic data must be interpreted with caution. The identification of 343 kinases in this study was not intended to represent a definitive catalogue of all sperm-specific kinase-substrate interactions, but rather to provide insights into kinases that potentially contribute to phosphoproteomic remodelling of mouse spermatozoa during the different phases of their post-testicular maturation. These kinases were identified through integration of multiple complementary approaches, including direct detection within the phosphoproteome, upstream regulator prediction using IPA, curated kinase-substrate databases, and comparison with previously published epididymal sperm proteomes.

      From this broader resource, we deliberately restricted functional interrogation to a small subset of kinases putatively associated with capacitation-induced phosphoproteomic changes. STK33, HIPK4, and PAK1 were selected based on their predicted association with capacitation-specific phosphorylation events, representation across distinct kinase families, lack of prior functional characterisation in terms of either sperm maturation or function, and availability of well-characterised pharmacological inhibitors suitable for functional perturbation. We fully acknowledge that the inhibitors employed are not absolutely kinase-specific and may exhibit off-target effects. Accordingly, we have revised the manuscript to clarify that these experiments are intended to test functional dependence on kinase activity rather than to establish direct kinase-substrate relationships. The observation that combined inhibition of three mechanistically distinct kinases produced a robust and additive suppression of the acrosome reaction supports the conclusion that kinase activity is required for this process, while avoiding overinterpretation of individual kinase specificity.

      We have revised the language throughout the manuscript to more clearly reflect these limitations and to frame the kinase inhibition experiments as functional validation of phosphoproteomic predictions rather than definitive mechanistic proof (please see lines 383 - 388, 405 - 406, 682 - 686, 705 - 710).

      • *

      • *

      • The knockout-mouse validation section is underdeveloped*

      The linkage of KO phenotypes to phosphorylation changes is potentially powerful but currently weak.

      Issues:

        • Most KOs are systemic deletions, not sperm-specific; phenotypes could stem from developmental defects.*
        • Some proteins validated (e.g., ACO2, CMPK1) regulate core metabolism; their phenotypes may not reflect phosphoregulation but loss of essential protein function.*
        • No evidence is provided that the KO affects the specific phosphosites detected in the MS dataset.* __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this important clarification. We agree that since the knockout models employed represent systemic deletions, they cannot directly resolve sperm-specific or phosphosite-specific mechanisms, and it was not our intention to suggest otherwise. We have revised the manuscript to explicitly frame the knockout phenotypes as evidence of physiological relevance of the identified phosphoproteins, rather than as direct validation of individual phosphorylation events (please see lines 723 - 734).

      We further clarify that for proteins with central metabolic roles, the observed phenotypes likely reflect loss of essential protein function rather than isolated disruption of phosphoregulation. Accordingly, we have tempered our language and emphasise that these data support functional importance while highlighting the need for future studies employing germ cell-specific or phosphosite-targeted models (please see discussion).

      • *

      • Immunofluorescence and Western blots need improved quantification*

      Figures showing PKA substrate, pY, pT, pS changes are visually compelling but lack:

        • quantification across biological replicates*
        • explanation of antibody specificity (e.g., pan-PKA sites include RRXS/T motifs; cross-reactivity possible). __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this comment and appreciate the emphasis on rigor in antibody-based analyses. We would like to clarify that the immunofluorescence and immunoblot data presented in this study do include densitometric based quantification taking into account data generated from three independent biological replicates. This is indicated by the inclusion of error bars and as stated in the relevant figure captions. (please see lines 1164 - 1168 "All immunoblotting experiments were repeated with at least three biological replicates. Densitometric data normalization was performed against the loading control protein GAPDH, and each value subsequently expressed as a fold change relative to the caput sperm. Data were analyzed by one way ANOVA with GraphPad Prism.).*

      With respect to antibody specificity, we fully agree that phospho-specific and motif-based antibodies have inherent limitations, including epitope ambiguity and the inability to resolve site-specific phosphorylation with amino acid precision (please see our answer to Comment #2 from Reviewer #1 above). For this reason, the antibodies employed here represent well-established, widely used markers in sperm biology and were included to illustrate global phosphorylation trends rather than to validate individual phosphosites. Importantly, quantitative and site-resolved interpretation of phosphorylation dynamics throughout the manuscript is derived from mass spectrometry based phosphoproteomics, which provides substantially greater specificity and resolution than antibody-based approaches.

      • *

      • Many interpretations about metabolism, storage, oxidative stress, and quiescence are speculative*

      The discussion provides attractive models linking phosphorylation to:

        • suppression of glycolysis*
        • quiescent metabolic state in cauda epididymis*
        • activation of antioxidant pathways*
        • UPR and proteostasis modifications However, no direct functional evidence is provided for any of these pathways.*

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful observation and agree that several interpretations linking phosphorylation changes to metabolic regulation, oxidative stress, proteostasis, and cellular quiescence are necessarily inferential in the absence of direct functional assays. With this in mind, we have revised the Discussion to more clearly distinguish data-driven observations from hypothesis-generating interpretations and have tempered language accordingly. These models are now explicitly framed as conceptual frameworks arising from large-scale phosphoproteomic analysis, intended to guide future targeted investigation rather than to assert definitive mechanistic conclusions (please see lines 588, 590, 596 - 599, 609, 613, 621 - 625 ).

      Given the breadth and depth of the dataset, only a limited number of functional pathways could be explored experimentally within the scope of the current study. We anticipate that the phosphoproteomic resource generated here, supported by the accompanying ShinySpermPhospho application, will enable the wider community to interrogate additional pathways and to design focused mechanistic studies building on these findings.

      • Acrosome reaction evaluation*

      I have encountered significant deficiencies in this approach. On one side, testing the effect of a single dose of inhibitors on a specific readout is too preliminary, as stated above. In addition, and due to the presence of possible off target effects, more than one inhibitor is expected to be tested, or a direct biochemical assay to confirm at least targeted action. Even KO models, as proposed for other proteins in Figure 7.

      Acrosome reaction values are expected to be presented, as regularly done, by indicating acrosome reacted percentages, without normalizations that complicate understanding. In addition, consider Pg as a more physiological stimulus instead of A23187 for triggering AR.

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for these constructive comments and agree that careful assessment of inhibitor effects on sperm viability and motility is essential. We would like to clarify, in case this was overlooked, that these controls were performed and are presented in Supplementary Figure S4. Specifically, sperm were exposed to four concentrations of each inhibitor and assessed over time (0 and 60 minutes) for viability, total motility, and progressive motility. Across all concentrations, time points, and treatment conditions, including combined inhibitor treatments, no significant reductions in sperm viability or motility parameters were observed. These data support the conclusion that the effects on acrosome reaction are not secondary to general sperm toxicity.

      With respect to data presentation, acrosome reaction values were expressed relative to matched capacitated vehicle-treated controls to account for biological variability in absolute acrosome reaction rates observed between independent sperm preparations and experimental days. This normalisation strategy was used to facilitate direct comparison between treatment groups, and respectfully, we have elected to retain this presentation format in Figure 6. Nonetheless, in the interest of transparency, we have now included the raw acrosome reaction values/ranges in the supplementary material (Table S6) and have provide these as a figure to the reviewer for reference.

      We agree that the use of progesterone represents a more physiological stimulus for inducing the acrosome reaction. However, there is no single universally accepted approach for acrosome reaction induction, and calcium ionophore-based assays remain widely used to assess the capacity for acrosomal exocytosis under defined experimental conditions. In the present study, this approach was selected to provide a robust and reproducible functional readout suitable for comparative analysis.

      We have revised the manuscript to more clearly describe the dose-response and viability control experiments, to acknowledge potential off-target effects of kinase inhibitors, and framed the acrosome reaction assays as functional screening experiments rather than definitive mechanistic dissection (please see lines 415, 705 - 710, Table S7).

      • *

      • Figure legend to Figure 7. How many oocytes, how many replicates were performed. How many transfers. Please add important data to the legend.*

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for highlighting this omission. In line with comment 4 from Reviewer #1 (please see above), we have revised the Figure 7 legend and Methods section to provide detailed information regarding sample size and experimental design, including the number of oocytes used per IVF experiment performed and the number of biological replicates.

      Specifically, IVF and oocyte isolation procedures were conducted according to standardised INFRAFRONTIER protocols (PMID: 25414328, 27262858, 38839949). Across knockout lines, IVF experiments were performed over 1 - 6 independent cycles per line, with an average of 24.2 oocytes used per cycle. To provide transparency regarding this variability, we have included a new supplementary figure (Figure S6) summarising the average number of oocytes used per IVF cycle alongside the corresponding cleavage rates (%CR).

      Sperm samples used in these assays were derived from cryopreserved cauda epididymal spermatozoa pooled from 10 heterozygous males per knockout line, as per EMMA guidelines (PMID: 17709347). Additionally , where available, we have incorporated reproductive outcome measures at the level of individual litters (e.g. average pup number and sex distribution) to provide further biological context. These additions improve transparency and ensure that the experimental design and data interpretation are clearly defined (please see lines 453 - 457, 1228 - 1234, 1431 - 1444, 1533 - 1536, 1572 - 1575, Figure 7 & S6).

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      This is technically sophisticated phosphoproteomic study of mouse sperm maturation across the epididymis and during capacitation. The dataset is deep (>14,000 phosphosites) and the analyses integrate high-resolution MS, immunofluorescence, IPA, kinase mapping, pharmacological inhibition, and knockout mouse models.

      __Answer: __We thank the reviewer for this positive assessment and for recognising the technical sophistication and integrative nature of the study. We are also grateful for the constructive feedback provided, which has helped us to substantially strengthen the clarity, rigor, and presentation of the manuscript.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      This is technically sophisticated phosphoproteomic study of mouse sperm maturation across the epididymis and during capacitation. The dataset is deep (>14,000 phosphosites) and the analyses integrate high-resolution MS, immunofluorescence, IPA, kinase mapping, pharmacological inhibition, and knockout mouse models. The manuscript represents a nice resource for the field. However, several issues limit clarity, mechanistic interpretation, and robustness of the conclusions. In particular, the manuscript's scope is extremely large, making some conclusions insufficiently supported, and some analyses require better control, methodological transparency, or deeper mechanistic connection. It gives the impression that some mechanistic data was added to descriptive data in order to increase the manuscript's impact, although the current mechanistic data is not convincing.

      Major concerns

      1. Conceptual Overreach - "Epididymal maturation accounts for 86% of phosphorylation changes" The manuscript repeatedly emphasizes that epididymal maturation causes the majority of phosphoproteomic remodeling. While the data indeed show large quantitative differences, several conceptual issues remain:
        • The caput vs. cauda comparison includes differences in protein abundance, not only phosphorylation.
        • Many phosphosites lost in the cauda may reflect protein loss, not dephosphorylation (the authors acknowledge this, but quantitative controls are insufficient).
        • The normalization method for phosphopeptide abundance vs total protein abundance is needed.
        • It is unclear whether the same amount of starting material and equal protein loading were used across stages.

      I wwould suggest to perform (or explicitly describe) normalization using matched proteome intensities. Provide supplementary plots showing phosphosite/parent-protein normalization to avoid overinterpreting phosphosite loss as dephosphorylation. 2. Capacitation analysis is underpowered and oversimplified The authors state that capacitation leads to "modest" changes. However: - The capacitation protocol uses dibutyryl-cAMP + pentoxifylline, which may bypass early physiological signaling. This is a important red flag 3. Kinase prediction and functional validation require more rigor The identification of 343 kinases that may regulate phospho-changes is extremely broad. Issues: - The kinase-substrate assignments rely heavily on in silico predictions (IPA, PhosphoSitePlus), which often contain non-sperm data. - Please explain the rationale by which, from 343 candidate kinases, 3 (STK33, HIPK4, PAK1) are selected. - The pharmacological inhibitors used have off-target effects (ML281 inhibits multiple CMGC kinases; Foretinib inhibits MET/VEGFR; NVS-PAK1-1 inhibits PAK1/2/3). - No control experiments are included to confirm kinase inhibition in sperm (e.g., phosphosite-specific Western blots). 4. The knockout-mouse validation section is underdeveloped The linkage of KO phenotypes to phosphorylation changes is potentially powerful but currently weak. Issues: - Most KOs are systemic deletions, not sperm-specific; phenotypes could stem from developmental defects. - Some proteins validated (e.g., ACO2, CMPK1) regulate core metabolism; their phenotypes may not reflect phosphoregulation but loss of essential protein function. - No evidence is provided that the KO affects the specific phosphosites detected in the MS dataset. 5. Immunofluorescence and Western blots need improved quantification Figures showing PKA substrate, pY, pT, pS changes are visually compelling but lack: - quantification across biological replicates - explanation of antibody specificity (e.g., pan-PKA sites include RRXS/T motifs; cross-reactivity possible). 6. Many interpretations about metabolism, storage, oxidative stress, and quiescence are speculative The discussion provides attractive models linking phosphorylation to: - suppression of glycolysis - quiescent metabolic state in cauda epididymis - activation of antioxidant pathways - UPR and proteostasis modifications However, no direct functional evidence is provided for any of these pathways. 7. Acrosome reaction evaluation I have encountered significant deficiencies in this approach. On one side, testing the effect of a single dose of inhibitors on a specific readout is too preliminary, as stated above. In addition, and due to the presence of possible off target effects, more than one inhibitor is expected to be tested, or a direct biochemical assay to confirm at least targeted action. Even KO models, as proposed for other proteins in Figure 7. Acrosome reaction values are expected to be presented, as regularly done, by indicating acrosome reacted percentages, without normalizations that complicate understanding. In addition, consider Pg as a more physiological stimulus instead of A23187 for triggering AR. 8. Figure legend to Figure 7. How many oocytes, how many replicates were performed. How many transfers. Please add important data to the legend.

      Significance

      This is technically sophisticated phosphoproteomic study of mouse sperm maturation across the epididymis and during capacitation. The dataset is deep (>14,000 phosphosites) and the analyses integrate high-resolution MS, immunofluorescence, IPA, kinase mapping, pharmacological inhibition, and knockout mouse models.

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      Summary:

      In this manuscript, the authors examine dynamic modifications of the sperm phosphoproteome during epididymal transit and capacitation. They compare three distinct populations differing in anatomical localization and activation status: caput sperm, non‑capacitated cauda sperm, and capacitated cauda sperm. Using high‑resolution tandem mass spectrometry, they reveal that phosphorylation changes during epididymal passage are far more extensive than previously appreciated. These findings are further validated in genetically modified animal models, where disruption of selected genes encoding for phosphoproteins results in marked defects in sperm motility and fertilization capacity.

      Major points:

      Throughout the text, and particularly in the paragraph entitled 'Epididymal maturation accounts for the majority of maturation‑associated sperm cell signaling,' it seems that phosphorylation is interpreted as inherently activatory and dephosphorylation as inhibitory (lines 248-252). Since this relationship is not universally applicable, it would be valuable to address this issue at the outset of the paragraph and to discuss how phosphorylation events are context‑dependent in their effects on protein function.

      Lines 392-393: the claim that "the introduction of each inhibitor to populations of capacitating spermatozoa led to a significant reduction..." is not fully supported by data and should be toned down. In fact, two out of three inhibitors, do not significantly affect the acrosome reaction.

      The discussion section, spanning 11 pages, is overly long and contains considerable repetition. I recommend transferring the detailed description of experiments to the 'Results' section and using the discussion primarily to synthesize and highlight the novel findings while limiting speculative content. For example, the content in lines 509-530 could be condensed and relocated to the Results. Likewise, other detailed examples would be more appropriately presented within their respective result paragraphs.

      Minor points:

      • To improve reproducibility, the suppliers of all reagents should be specified together with their catalogue numbers.
      • Figure 7: it is unclear which data are statistically significant
      • Figure 7B: fertilization capacity should be assessed at an earlier stage, as the cleavage rate to 2-cell embryo may be affected by factors unrelated to the sperm ability to fertilize

      Significance

      A key novel finding of this work is that extensive changes in the sperm phosphoproteome occur during epididymal maturation, whereas capacitation is associated with comparatively modest modifications. This research provides a finely resolved description of phosphorylation events associated with the signaling pathways underlying functional sperm maturation. The methodological innovation -high‑resolution MS‑based phosphoproteomics- unlocks a level of detail and comprehensiveness in phosphorylation analysis that was previously unattainable. Moreover, the identification of previously unrecognized phosphoproteins in sperm cells, together with the development of a dedicated application hosting the complete dataset, represents a valuable resource for researchers in reproductive biology and particularly for experts in sperm development and maturation.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      The manuscript by Skerrett-Byrne and collaborators represents a comprehensive and technically sophisticated phosphoproteomics study. Using high-resolution mass spectrometry on mouse sperm obtained from the caput and cauda regions of the epididymis, both before and after capacitation, the authors generated a more complete database of phosphorylation changes in these cells. One of the most interesting outcomes is that most of these changes occur during sperm maturation, rather than sperm capacitation. The work is important and relevant, and the information obtained could be valuable for reproductive biologists working in basic science, as well as for the identification of novel contraceptive targets.

      Minor comments:

      1) The title should include a reference to sperm capacitation, as most of the study focuses on comparisons between epididymal maturation and capacitation, and the functional experiments are based on the latter.

      2) Considering the newly reported changes in phosphosites, it would be desirable to include validation at the individual protein level for at least a few examples, using an independent technique such as western blotting.

      3) In the knockout models, it is not possible to distinguish between defects in spermatogenesis and those arising during maturation or capacitation. A parameter directly related to spermatogenesis should therefore be included, for example, testicular weight or histology, sperm number, and sperm morphology.

      4) Error values, sample size, and statistical analyses are missing from Figure 7 and should be provided for clarity.

      Significance

      This study shows by high-resolution phosphoproteomics that most phosphorylation changes occur during epididymal transit rather than capacitation, challenging long-standing assumptions. The integration of the new datasets with functional validation of key kinases and knockout models strengthens the study; however, the work lacks single-protein validation of phosphorylation events, and the use of systemic knockouts does not allow confirmation of sperm-specific effects. The open ShinySpermPhospho dataset will be worthwhile to a broad audience of reproductive biologists and cell signaling specialists, and may be of value for future studies on male fertility and the development of novel male contraceptives.

      Field of expertise: reproductive physiology, sperm biology and capacitation, gamete interaction.

    1. we noted that variability did occur among the participants and some runners did benefit more from a particular recovery scheme

      Que até os protocolos de recuperação possuem respondentes e não respondentes dependendo de cada intervenção

    2. In 1929, it was noticed that there was a correlation between the appearance of fatigue and accumulation of lactic acid. Since lactic acid accumulation was often associated with a decline in muscle function, it was assumed that the two were related and that lactic acid was possibly causative of fatigue.

      Em 1929... E ainda existem profissionais que acreditam que o ácido lático é quem gera a fadiga e a queimação.

    3. Training in its simplest form represents acute challenges to the body intended to optimize chronic improvements in physiological capabilities.

      Definição de treino em sua forma mais básica

    1. Start at 00 → 02 to understand the platform shell and how a project is created. Then read each Hub in pipeline order (03 → 10). Finally, read the cross-cutting docs (11 → 14) which apply across every hub.

      I want here to do this

  2. social-media-ethics-automation.github.io social-media-ethics-automation.github.io
    1. Trauma and Shame. URL: https://www.oohctoolbox.org.au/trauma-and-shame (visited on 2023-12-10).

      The article "Trauma and Shame" is explaining in depth the way your brain deals with shame throughout adolescence and how parenting can affect children. It also highlights some of the ways children will react when they feel shameful about something. There is a quote in the article that says "When shame becomes exposed and expressed and is responded to with empathy, the resulting intersubjective experience is often transforming (Hughes, 2007)" I find this quote really important when speaking about cancel culture. Sometimes simply accepting someone's apology and believing in their ability to change is all that is needed.

    1. O Memory! tell them what they once enjoyed;Tell them how hard had seemed a parent’s laws,To bar their union—tell them they’d have died

      the writer wants the parents to remember of a time they were in love, to remember how they once had to rebel for their own love.

    1. So now, it’s your turn to think about how you would want a retraction feature to work on a social media site like Twitter: How would a user do the retraction? What options would they have (e.g., can they choose to keep or delete the original tweet content)? What additional information would they be able to provide? How would that retracted tweet look when viewed? How would that retracted tweet look when it is part of a retweet or quote tweet? Would there be any notifications sent when a tweet is retracted? Outline 3 different examples of how and when a user might retract a tweet E.g., misinformation, regret a bad idea, regret mean tone, etc.

      If twitter were to implant a retraction button I think it would be best if it showed the original tweet crossed out. Maybe underneath the person could explain their reasoning for retracting their tweet. I don't think that retracted tweets should be able to respond to because it would cause more of an uproar online.

    1. Re-magnetize the items at the circulation desk (except Inter Library Loan items; outgoing items for the LEO bins or LEO cart; and electronic equipment).

      notify the patron if they have recieved a fine

    2. t involves attention to detail – Placing the item(s) in the correct call number order on the re-shelving carts

      It involves attention to details - Making sure all of the pieces of the equipment kit have come back in tact.

    3. If you are unsure what a Route/Transit To location means, ASK

      replace this point with:

      Pay close attention to make sure that ALL of the pieces of the equipment have been returned. Some of the equipment kits have small pieces that are easy to lose

    4. discharge look

      move this part to the section on workflows. Take out the video, and all references to routing. Keep the image on this page showing the discharge tab.

      To discharge circulation equipment, check to make sure ALL of the pieces of the equipment have been returned, and in tact. Then, go to the Discharge tab on the left hand side of the page. Scan the equipment's barcode, and the equipment's information will appear in the main screen. If you see that a patron has received a fine (show image of where it would be), let them know immediately. If the believe the fine to be falsely attributed, give the patron your supervisor's email. The patron should contact the supervisor directly to waive fines. As a digital media consultant, you DO NOT have permission to waive fines.

    5. Where can users return materials at your library?

      Where can user returns RMC equipment?

      Although you can return books at many different locations and libraries at UVA, you can only return RMC equipment back in to the RMC desk during open hours.

    6. Where can users return materials at UVA

      New question:

      Where can user return RMC equipment?

      Although you can return books back to any library, RMC equipment can ONLY be returned back the front desk on Clemons floor 3 during operating hours.

    7. nterlibrary Loan (ILL) materials are processed using ILLiad WebCirc, online software used to manage Interlibrary Loan transactions.  ILLiad WebCirc is accessible from a browser.To circulate ILL items, log into ILLiad WebCirc and scan the ILL barcode on the purple slip to process materials.

      Reserve equipment is processed using LibCal, an online software used for booking and checking out high-end equipment.

      LibCal is accessible from a browser on the computer at the RMC front desk.

      To circulate reserve equipment, first make sure that ALL of the pieces of the equipment are there and in tact. Then, go to the Check Out tab. Find the patron's name who booked the equipment prior to coming to the RMC. Then, click the checkbox, marking the item for checkout. Finally, click the large blue button titled 'Check Out / Pick Up Selected Items'

      (Might be worth turning these steps into the numbered picture activity)

    8. Demo of discharging items in Workflows

      We'll also need to add a section on discharging reserve equipment in LibCal.

      To discharge reserve equipment, check to make sure ALL of the pieces of the equipment have been returned, and in tact. Then, go to the Check In tab. Find the patron's name who is returning the equipment. Click the checkbox, marking the item for checkout. Finally, click the large blue button titled 'Check In / Return Selected Items'

      (Might be worth turning these steps into the numbered picture activity)

    9. In this demo, a student is discharging items that were dropped off at Brown Library (Science and Engineering or Sci-Eng Library).  Take a close look at the Route/Transit To column to learn where the items will go next after being discharged.

      Just include the first picture showing where the discharge tab is, what it looks like when an item has been successfully discharged, and where fines would show up.

      If you notice that a patron has received a fine, let them know immediately. If they believe the fine was a mistake, give them the supervisors email. The patron should reach out the the supervisor directly to waive falsely attributed fines.

      Once an item has been discharged, return the item to it's proper space in the vault. You can find it's vault location by following the directions on the tab. Remember, green tabs are for circulation equipment, and blue tabs are for reserve equipment.

    10. highlighted by the yellow square)

      Add another question similar to this one -

      In Workflows what happens if you click on the calendar icon? This icon is located at the top left (highlighted by the yellow square). A) The calendar icon allows patrons to book equipment weeks in advance of picking it up from the front desk. B) The calendar icon allows digital media consultants to extend checkouts for anyone that wants extra time with the equipment C) The calendar icon allows digital media consultants to extend checkout for patrons who have gotten prior written permission from Robert Holden (correct)

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    1. However, patients who churn echo the dissatisfaction by complexity tier effect we saw at the top of this analysis.

      High complexity with lower churn--better foundation to relationship due to amount/quality of work being performed? More time to establish relationship? More opportunity for advocate wins given higher red line commissions above?

    2. submit their reviews

      Would elaborate a little. Does this mean they submit their first review faster, or they respond to each marketing prompt faster? (Though I think they did away with the time-specific prompts recently, would want to verify that, and even if they did, it wouldn't affect this by much.)

    1. def model(dbt, session): # Load the source data orders = dbt.ref("orders").to_pandas() # Perform transformations using pandas orders_summary = orders.groupby('customer_id').agg( total_orders=('order_id', 'count'), total_revenue=('order_amount', 'sum') ).reset_index() return orders_summary

      интересный здесь код на входе он принимает некий объект dbt. dbt обладает свойством реф и типа мы как бы считываем модель ордерс и переводим это в пандас ну и дальше красиво у нас в 4 строки решается задача которой в скл решается за большее количество строк вот красиво

    1. Plaintiff brings this class action lawsuit on behalf of herself and other similarlysituated consumers (“Class Members”) who purchased Defendant’s products containing (i) aSustainability Profile or (ii) a Sustainability Misrepresentation (the “Products”). In short,Defendant takes advantage of consumers’ interest in products that are sustainable and that do notharm the environment. By falsifying the Sustainability Profiles and making the SustainabilityMisrepresentations, Defendant has misrepresented the nature of its products, at the expense ofconsumers who pay a price premium in the belief that they are buying truly sustainable andenvironmentally friendly clothing. Plaintiff is a purchaser of the Products who asserts claims forunjust enrichment and violations of the consumer protection laws of the state of New York, onbehalf of herself and all similarly situated purchasers of the Products

      This paragraph highlights both ethical and legal issues because H&M allegedly misled consumers with false sustainability claims, causing customers to pay more for products they believed were environmentally friendly.

    2. In addition to its Sustainability Profiles, H&M makes various othermisrepresentations concerning the purportedly sustainable nature of its products: H&M claimsthat its products are “conscious,” a “conscious choice,” a “shortcut to sustainable choices,” madefrom “sustainable materials,” “close the loop,” and that H&M will prevent its textiles “fromgoing to landfill” through its recycling program (collectively, the “SustainabilityMisrepresentations”). These representations are made through the use of green hang tags,in-store signage, and online marketing. The goal of H&M’s advertising scheme is to market andsell products that capitalize on the growing segment of consumers who care about theenvironment, but H&M does so in a misleading and deceptive way

      The use of green marketing, hang tags, and eco-friendly language may influence consumers emotionally while hiding the actual environmental impact of fast fashion production.

  4. pressbooks.library.torontomu.ca pressbooks.library.torontomu.ca
    1. To Janie’s strange eyes, everything in the Everglades was big and new. Big Lake Okechobee, big beans, big cane, big weeds, big everything. Weeds that did well to grow waist high up the state were eight and often ten feet tall down there. Ground so rich that everything went wild. Volunteer cane just taking the place. Dirt roads so rich and black that a half mile of it would have fertilized a Kansas wheat field. Wild cane on either side of the road hiding the rest of the world. People wild too.

      She’s in a different place like usual and it is new to her

    1. largely due to deferred compensation paid out at the end of his tenure. He earned more than $760,000 in 2024 in his role as president emeritus and professor of public policy.

      YOU GET MONEY FOR PRESIDENT EMERITUS??? THAT'S NOT RETIREMENT?

    1. You invested in Salesforce, but the ROI is still hard to see

      Since we are talking to the VP of Technology or Directors of CRM who are responsible for budget and results, let's move this one to the first one. I think this is the order: 1) You invested in Salesforce.. 2) Salesforce technically works... 3) You are still the escalation point... 4) The backlog keeps growing ... 5) You don't fully trust the data.... 6) Reporting turns into debates...

    2. Hmara Solutions helps growing organizations fix what is slowing teams down and turn Salesforce back into a system leaders can trust.

      Hmara Solutions helps growing organization [OR operational leaders] restore trust, clarity, and control in underperforming Salesforce environments — so the system finally works the way it was meant to. ((IMO this wording pushes even more on the pain of underperforming Salesforce, and leads even stronger to "Revive". But we can keep your original version too, for A/B testing to see which lands/as a second version))

    1. reply to u/No-Rain-4114 and tk at https://old.reddit.com/r/typewriters/comments/1ti2zu2/imperial_model_50_vs_royal_10_which_is_better/

      You're likely to get more opinions than there are people who have actually used both and their opinions are going to vary wildly based on the conditions of the machines they've encountered. They're both solid machines, but generally also so old that you'd need two well-restored versions to get a serious apples to apples comparison. Even if you get 10 people with immaculate exemplars to weigh in, it's honestly not going to be helpful for determining which you ought to hunt for and purchase.

      You're also going to find them with a very specific geographic distribution based on manufacturing and sales at the time. The Imperial bigger in the UK and Royal bigger in the US.

      If you've got two to choose from, pick the one in the best condition and proceed from there. Otherwise choose based on aesthetics as all the other factors are so confounding as to mean little in making an informed choice here.

      See also: https://boffosocko.com/2026/01/08/on-purchasing-typewriters-condition-is-king-context-is-queen/


      Reply to u/Wooden-Lifeguard-636

      Chris, which one do YOU prefer?

      Like all serious typewriter collectors, I prefer both! 😜

      Refurbished with a clean, oil, and adjust out of a typewriter repair shop, you really can't go wrong with either of these if this is the era and aesthetic you're after.

      If OP gave us a ton of additional information on their context: Are they collecting? What sort of collection are they starting? Is this the one and only typewriter they're ever going to buy? Are they going to display it as decor? Use it (8 hours a day 365, once a day for a few hours, once a week, once a month)? Tinker on it to restore it themself? What's their budget? Where are they going to source it (shop, yard sale, estate sale, online auction untested)? Do they prefer the polished enamel or the crinkle paint? Are they a hunt-and-peck typist, a touch-typist, or even a speed champion? Etc., etc., etc.

      With this, we might provide some semblance of advice, but honestly, even then, it's largely a coin toss. The ultimate choice will be biased and come down to the purchaser's gut reaction with a specific machine(s) in its condition in front of them to purchase.

      And even then, after all this, it's worth considering the quote from Carroll Shelby in Ford v Ferrari (20th Century Fox, 2019) about the test driver at the end: "You drove it for less than an hour... ‘don’t know shit after an hour."

  5. social-media-ethics-automation.github.io social-media-ethics-automation.github.io
    1. Roni Jacobson. I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12. Wired, 2016. URL: https://www.wired.com/2016/02/ive-had-a-cyberstalker-since-i-was-12/ (visited on 2023-12-10).

      This source made me realize that online harassment is not always loud or public in the same way as dogpiling. It can also be long-term, invasive, and exhausting in a much more personal way. What stood out to me most was that the author was not taken seriously when she reported it, which shows how harmful cyberstalking can be even when institutions fail to recognize it.

    2. Ellie Hall. Twitter Data Has Revealed A Coordinated Campaign Of Hate Against Meghan Markle. BuzzFeed News, October 2021. URL: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/bot-sentinel-meghan-markle-prince-harry-twitter (visited on 2023-12-10).

      A report that looked into the hate on Twitter towards Meghan and her husband found that 83 users were responsible for 70% of the online Twitter harassment. This was kind of crazy to read and realize that people actually dedicate hours of their lives and their money just to harass people online they will never meet.

    3. Stochastic terrorism. October 2023. Page Version ID: 76245726. URL: https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=stochastic_terrorism&oldid=76245726 (visited on 2023-12-10).

      This is a very interesting topic, and it is directly related to public opinion manipulation, which I am doing my writing project on. The goal of a Stochastic terrorist is to influence the opinions and actions of individuals to further their moral or political agenda. Sometimes, through an act of violence of some kind. A stochastic terrorist does this with vague or coded messaging so that they are able to maintain plausible deniability.

    4. Camila Domonoske. On The Internet, Everyone Knows 'You're Racist': Twitter Account IDs Marchers. NPR, August 2017. URL: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/14/543418271/on-the-internet-everyone-knows-you-re-a-racist-twitter-account-ids-marchers (visited on 2023-12-10).

      This article talks about how crowd harassment was used against people who joined a neo-Nazi led march in Charlottesville. As many of these people were photographed extensively, a Twitter account was able to find many of the people involved and publicly shame them. This led to a few of these people losing their jobs as many employers do not want to hire white nationalists.

    5. Emiliano De Cristofaro. 4chan raids: how one dark corner of the internet is spreading its shadows. The Conversation, November 2016. URL: http://theconversation.com/4chan-raids-how-one-dark-corner-of-the-internet-is-spreading-its-shadows-68394 (visited on 2023-12-10). [q6]

      This source talks about 4chan can sometimes turn coordinated harassment into a form of entertainment, with real consequences for victims. I found it interesting that anonymous platforms can encourage people to spread harmful content or organize attacks without much accountability. It also made me think more about how internet culture, even in smaller online spaces, can influence behavior across larger social media platforms.

    6. Ku Klux Klan. December 2023. Page Version ID: 1189166211. URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&oldid=1189166211 (visited on 2023-12-10).

      This Wikipedia source talks about the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), a white supremacist organization that has died out a little bit now, but had a very strong contingent in 1865-1872. There have been three iterations of the KKK over different time periods. The source also covers the different iterations in detail giving founding and various other information.

    7. Emiliano De Cristofaro. 4chan raids: how one dark corner of the internet is spreading its shadows. The Conversation, November 2016. URL: http://theconversation.com/4chan-raids-how-one-dark-corner-of-the-internet-is-spreading-its-shadows-68394 (visited on 2023-12-10).

      This source talks about the effect dark media has on consumers, weather its the content or certain media designs they're seeing. It analyzed and found data to ensure consumers responses to dark media.

    8. Dogpiling (Internet). November 2023. Page Version ID: 1187471785. URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dogpiling_(Internet)&oldid=1187471785 (visited on 2023-12-10).

      The Wkipedia page focuses on dogpiling, a form of online harassment where groups of people target, insult, and publicly shame a single victim for expressing an opposing opinion or simply to collectively bully them. This type of abuse includes doxxing, flaming, and private messaging. The page also points out the Gamergate harassment campaign as a prominent example for dogpilling.

    9. Constance Grady. Chrissy Teigen’s fall from grace. Vox, June 2021. URL: https://www.vox.com/culture/22451970/chrissy-teigen-courtney-stodden-controversy-explained (visited on 2023-12-10).

      Chrissy Teigen’s situation presents a complication for how this chapter frames crowd harassment (the way that a crowd acts in concert to harass an individual) as a crime committed against the victim of the group. Before she became the target of a “dog pile” (a large number of people harassing one person at once), Teigen had also been very active with online harassment. This makes her case raise a question the authors did not pose here; under what conditions does a crowd's target deserve to be harassed? Therefore, this case resists the victim/perpetrator distinction that is implied within this chapters framework.

    10. Doxing. December 2023. Page Version ID: 1189390304. URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doxing&oldid=1189390304 (visited on 2023-12-10).

      When reading the definition of doxing by Wikipedia, I realized that I am able to connect this to my time spent on social media. While, I have not personally been doxed I have seen multiple people online discuss being doxed. I notice that this happens usually to people online who have been cancelled or whom the public does not like at the moment. These users, once they have been cancelled, will often create posts that beg people to stop spreading their personal information on the internet because they feel unsafe.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This manuscript makes a valuable contribution to the concept of fragility of meta-analyses via the so-called 'ellipse of insignificance for meta-analyses' (EOIMETA). The strength of evidence is convincing, supported primarily by an example of the fragility of meta-analyses in the association between Vitamin D supplementation and cancer mortality, but the approach could be applied in other meta-analytic contexts. The significance of the work could be enhanced with a more thorough assessment of the impact of between-study heterogeneity, additional case studies, and improved contextualization of the proposed approach in relation to other methods.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      [Editors' note: this version has been assessed by the Reviewing Editor without further input from the original reviewers. The authors have addressed the comments raised in the previous round of review.]

      Summary:

      This manuscript addresses an important methodological issue-the fragility of meta-analytic findings-by extending fragility concepts beyond trial-level analysis. The proposed EOIMETA framework provides a generalizable and analytically tractable approach that complements existing methods such as the traditional Fragility Index and Atal et al.'s algorithm. The findings are significant in showing that even large meta-analyses can be highly fragile, with results overturned by very small numbers of event recodings or additions. The evidence is clearly presented, supported by applications to vitamin D supplementation trials, and contributes meaningfully to ongoing debates about the robustness of meta-analytic evidence. Overall, the strength of evidence is moderate to strong.

      Strengths:

      (1) The manuscript tackles a highly relevant methodological question on the robustness of meta-analytic evidence.

      (2) EOIMETA represents an innovative extension of fragility concepts from single trials to meta-analyses.

      (3) The applications are clearly presented and highlight the potential importance of fragility considerations for evidence synthesis.

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary and strengths:

      In this manuscript, Grimes presents an extension of Ellipse of Insignificant (EOI) and Region of Attainable Redaction (ROAR) metrics to meta-analysis setting as metrics for fragility and robustness evaluation of meta-analysis. The author applies these metrics to three meta-analyses of Vitamin D and cancer mortality, finding substantial fragility in their conclusions. Overall, I think extension/adaption is a conceptually valuable addition to meta-analysis evaluation, and the manuscript is generally well-written.

    4. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript addresses an important methodological issue-the fragility of meta-analytic findings-by extending fragility concepts beyond trial-level analysis. The proposed EOIMETA framework provides a generalizable and analytically tractable approach that complements existing methods such as the traditional Fragility Index and Atal et al.'s algorithm. The findings are significant in showing that even large meta-analyses can be highly fragile, with results overturned by very small numbers of event recodings or additions. The evidence is clearly presented, supported by applications to vitamin D supplementation trials, and contributes meaningfully to ongoing debates about the robustness of meta-analytic evidence. Overall, the strength of evidence is moderate to strong.

      Strengths:

      (1) The manuscript tackles a highly relevant methodological question on the robustness of meta-analytic evidence.

      (2) EOIMETA represents an innovative extension of fragility concepts from single trials to meta-analyses.

      (3) The applications are clearly presented and highlight the potential importance of fragility considerations for evidence synthesis.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      (1) The manuscript would benefit from a clearer explanation of in what sense EOIMETA is generalizable. The author mentions this several times, but without a clear explanation of what they mean here.

      This is a point I was remiss not to better elucidate. With regards to generalisation, the text has been modified to explicitly state that generalisability in this context means no specific study dependence, just a net number of subjects required to flip a result. The text reads:

      “Atal's method is highly useful, but one possible objection is that it has the downside of non-generalisability, as it finds very specific combinations of trials and patients that would have to be re-coded (events classified as non-events and vice-versa) for results to become insignificant. For example, an Atal meta-analytic fragility of 4 pertains to a specific and often unique circumstance when 4 patients could be recoded from a specific study or combinations thereof to change outputs, but this does not generalise to any 4 patients in that meta-analysis. This makes this definition of meta-analytic fragility useful but not general, and perhaps less intuitive to interpret than a typical RCT fragility metric. In this work, we establish a generalizable meta-analytic fragility metric, based upon Ellipse of Insignificance (EOI) analysis for dichotomous outcome trials. This method creates a pool of events and non-events in both arms, adjusted for weighing, and answers the general question of how many patients would have to be effectively recoded in a meta-analysis for results to flip, without requiring specific study identification.”

      (2) The authors mentioned the proposed tools assume low between-study heterogeneity. Could the author illustrate mathematically in the paper how the between-study heterogeneity would influence the proposed measures? Moreover, the between-study heterogeneity is high in Zhang et al's 2022 study. It would be a good place to comment on the influence of such high heterogeneity on the results, and specifying a practical heterogeneity cutoff would better guide future users.

      This is a very fair observation, and I need to better explain myself here! So there are effectively two measures of heterogeneity considered in this work; the typical value from a meta-analysis and the measure of divergence between the crude and the inverse-variance weighed adjusted – when these differ my small amounts, one could conceivably use either measure. I’ve changed the text to better reflect this, including:

      “This modification in akin to pooled in a meta-analysis, and adjusts for study level heterogeneity. After this modification, a standard EOI analysis can then be applied to the vector . In addition, we can also employ ROAR analysis to the same vector, yielding the raw number of patients in either or both arm who could be added a given direction to change the result, and exact combination of control and experimental group redactions required to change the result from a significant finding to a null one. Caveats for implementation and interpretation are outlined in the discussion section.”

      (3) I think clarifying the concepts of "small effect", "fragile result", and "unreliable result" would be helpful for preventing misinterpretation by future users. I am concerned that the audience may be confusing these concepts. A small effect may be related to a fragile meta-analysis result. A fragile meta-analysis doesn't necessarily mean wrong/untrustworthy results. A fragile but precise estimate can still reflect a true effect, but whether that size of true effect is clinically meaningful is another question. Clarifying the effect magnitude, fragility, and reliability in the discussion would be helpful.

      This is an excellent suggestion – I’ve tried to do it with percentages, as in table 2, but these are minute in the case of the vitamin D trials, partially I suspect because they are extraordinarily weak. The Cohen’s H for these meta-analyses yields tiny values, which I think might be tied to the virtually negligible percentages we obtain for number needed to flip. With stronger data, it might be worth expanding this into a useful heuristic measure for robustness, though I don’t think vitamin D data as in this work is going to help us much. In light of the reviewer’s excellent comment, I added the following:

      In light of the reviewer’s excellent comment, I added lines 230-240 in the revised manuscript.

      (4) Comments on revisions:

      I am unable to find the author's responses to my previous round comments (Reviewer #3) in the revision package, though replies to the other reviewers are present. I will provide my updated feedback once these responses are available for review.

      My sincere apologies, I neglected the specific comments in error – this document should address them now, thank you again for giving this your time and consideration!

    1. One research paper (Morally Motivated Networked Harassment as Normative Reinforcement [q16]) suggests a process that often happens with online harassment, where the harassers feel their actions are justified.

      I thought this part was interesting because it explains why online harassment can spread so easily. People may feel justified and even think they are doing something good for their community. To me, that is what makes it scary, because once harassment feels morally right to a crowd, it becomes much harder to stop.

    2. A target is identified as breaking the norm of a community (often not their own community, so this is a case of context collapse). This provides a justification for people to harass the target.

      This concept specifically reminds me of a certain era of YouTube culture where a small number of creators did this regularly. The one that sticks out in my mind is the channel LeafyIsHere. This channel would react to other creators' content and make fun of it. It had several million subscribers, so the account being targeted would receive massive amounts of hate. This channel was widely considered to be toxic as of 2017 or 2018, and is now inactive. It's interesting to reflect on how many people that account was able to influence, and how much negativity was spread.

    3. A key social media account (the amplifier), promotes the accusation in their community (again, often not the one the target is in). The amplifier’s audience then harasses the target. The target experiences negative emotions (stress, depression, etc.), and self-censors and withdraws. The targets’ speech (and others who might have said something similar) is therefore silenced. The amplifier’s network found a common enemy and cause, and this reinforces their values and norms.

      This makes me think about a prominent example when an user posts an inside joke or a niche comment that only their small circle of friends understand, but a political influencer screenshots it and shares it to millions of followers saying it's moral degeneracy. This triggers a wave of online attack from strangers, leaving the user with no choice but to permanently lock down their account. What bothers me when thinking about this is that the influencer's followers then celebrate this as a victory against a shared enemy, completely unaware that they just terrorized someone over a statement that was misunderstood yet publicly criticized by the amplifier.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This is a valuable study presenting convincing data indicating that the bacterial GTPases EngA and ObgE enable single-step reconstitution of functional 50S ribosomal subunits under near-physiological conditions. The study elegantly bridges the gap between the non-physiological aspects of the previous two-step reconstitution method and the extract-dependent iSAT system to enable assembly of highly functional ribosomes under translation-compatible conditions. The reported findings represent substantial progress towards achieving a bottom-up reconstruction of the translation machinery from synthetic parts.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      [Editors' note: this version has been assessed by the Reviewing Editor without further input from the original reviewers. The authors have provided new data and text that addresses all of the reviewers' comments on the previous versions in a wholly satisfactory way.]

      Summary:

      This study presents evidence that addition of the two GTPases EngA and ObgE to reactions comprised of rRNAs and total ribosomal proteins purified from native bacterial ribosomes can bypass the requirements for non-physiological temperature shifts and Mg+2 ion concentrations for in vitro reconstitution of functional E. coli ribosomes.

      Strengths:

      This advance allows ribosome reconstitution in a fully reconstituted protein synthesis system containing individually purified recombinant translation factors, with the reconstituted ribosomes substituting for native purified ribosomes to support protein synthesis. This represents a significant development in the long-term effort to produce synthetic cells.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      This study has developed a single-step method to assemble active bacterial ribosomes under near-physiological conditions by using the GTPase factors EngA and ObgE. These factors eliminate the need for the traditional, harsh manipulations of temperature and magnesium levels. This integration is an important step toward the bottom-up construction of synthetic cells.

    4. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This study presents evidence that addition of the two GTPases EngA and ObgE to reactions comprised of rRNAs and total ribosomal proteins purified from native bacterial ribosomes can bypass the requirements for non-physiological temperature shifts and Mg+2 ion concentrations for in vitro reconstitution of functional E. coli ribosomes.

      Strengths:

      This advance allows ribosome reconstitution in a fully reconstituted protein synthesis system containing individually purified recombinant translation factors, with the reconstituted ribosomes substituting for native purified ribosomes to support protein synthesis. This represents a significant development in the long-term effort to produce synthetic cells.

      Weaknesses:

      The authors carried out additional experiments indicating that ~60% of the reconstituted ribosomes are functional and that a significant proportion are capable of synthesizing GFP from the correct initiation codon to the correct stop codon, and also of producing an enzymatically active protein at appreciable levels. Their SDS-PAGE and MS analyses of N-terminally tagged GFP are also quite useful but did not assess the frequency of initiation at the wrong start codon, termination at the incorrect stop codon, or the frequency of frameshifting during elongation. This would require examining additional reporters designed to examine dependence on a Shine-Dalgarno sequence or the impact of an in-frame stop codon to assess the fidelity of initiation and termination events, respectively, and one with a programmed frameshift site to assess the elongation fidelity of their reconstituted ribosomes.

      In response to the reviewer’s comment, we expanded the MS analysis and performed additional analyses against amino acid sequences corresponding to all three reading frames (updated Supplementary Data 2). As a result, only a single peptide fragment likely derived from the +1 frame was detected, but its intensity was approximately 1/1000 of that of peptide fragments detected from the normal frame. No other out-of-frame peptides were detected, and no evidence of stop-codon readthrough was found. We consider that these results suggest that the kind of deterioration in ribosome function is not occurring in the reconstituted ribosomes. Because this analysis cannot completely rule out abnormal translation events such as initiation from internal start codons or termination at internal stop codons, we also added a statement acknowledging that further analyses will be required to examine all aspects of the translation reaction.

      Reconstitution studies in the past have succeeded by using all recombinant, individually purified RPs that, if successful here, would have eliminated the possibility that one or more unknown ribosome assembly factors that co-purify with native ribosomes was added to their reconstitution reactions.

      The issue raised by the reviewer was already added at the end of the Discussion in the previous revision. We fully agree with the reviewer’s point and we are currently continuing research in our laboratory aimed at achieving a more fundamental understanding of ribosome assembly.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      This study has developed a single-step method to assemble active bacterial ribosomes under near-physiological conditions by using the GTPase factors EngA and ObgE. These factors eliminate the need for the traditional, harsh manipulations of temperature and magnesium levels. This integration is an important step toward the bottom-up construction of synthetic cells.

      Comments on revisions:

      The authors have addressed my concerns in the previous round of review.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      The authors are urged to acknowledge that more sophisticated reporter assays would be required to compare the frequencies of errors occurring at each step of translation using their reconstituted versus native ribosomes.

      As described in our response to Reviewer #1, we performed additional MS analyses, updated Supplementary Data 2, and added a statement acknowledging the reviewer’s comment.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This study investigates how the HIV inhibitor lenacapavir influences capsid mechanics and interactions with the nuclear pore complex. It provides important insights into how drug-induced hyperstabilization of the viral shell can compromise its structural integrity during nuclear entry. The modeling is technically sophisticated, and the analyses provide convincing support for the mechanistic conclusions.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      [Editors' note: this version has been assessed by the Reviewing Editor without further input from the original reviewers. The authors have addressed the comments raised in the previous round of review.]

      The paper from Hudait and Voth details a number of coarse-grained simulations as well as some experiments focused on the stability of HIV capsids in the presence of the drug lenacapavir. The authors find that LEN hyperstabilizes the capsid, making it fragile and prone to breaking inside the nuclear pore complex.

      Comments on previous round of revisions:

      I found that the authors addressed my concerns satisfactorily. The other reviewer raised a number of important points regarding the nuances of the model and the interpretation of the simulations, which the authors rebutted. I think the paper in its current form now is a worthwhile addition to the literature.

    3. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      This is a technically sophisticated study that integrates coarse-grained modeling with live-cell imaging to address an important and timely question regarding HIV-1 capsid inhibition by lenacapavir.

      In summary, in my view, the manuscript represents a solid contribution to the field.

    4. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      The paper from Hudait and Voth details a number of coarse-grained simulations as well as some experiments focused on the stability of HIV capsids in the presence of the drug lenacapavir. The authors find that LEN hyperstabilizes the capsid, making it fragile and prone to breaking inside the nuclear pore complex.

      I found the paper interesting. I have a few suggestions for clarification and/or improvement.

      (1) How directly comparable are the NPC-capsid and capsid-only simulations? A major result rests on the conclusion that the kinetics of rupture are faster inside the NPC, but are the numbers of LENs bound identical? Is the time really comparable, given that the simulations have different starting points? I'm not really doubting the result, but I think it could be made more rigorous/quantitative.

      (2) Related to the above, it is stated on page 12 that, based on the estimated free-energy barrier, pentamer dissociation should occur in ~10 us of CG time. But certainly, the simulations cover at least this length of time?

      (3) At first, I was surprised that even in a CG simulation, LEN would spontaneously bind to the correct site. But if I read the SI correctly, LEN was parameterized specifically to bind to hexamers and not pentamers. This is fine, but I think it's worth describing in the main text.

      Comments on revisions:

      I found that the authors addressed my concerns satisfactorily. The other reviewer raised a number of important points regarding the nuances of the model and the interpretation of the simulations, which the authors rebutted. I think the paper in its current form now is a worthwhile addition to the literature.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      I have carefully reviewed the manuscript, the two referee reports, and the authors' detailed responses. I appreciate the substantial effort the authors have invested in addressing the reviewers' comments, and I also recognize the strength and ambition of the work. This is a technically sophisticated study that integrates coarse-grained modeling with live-cell imaging to address an important and timely question regarding HIV-1 capsid inhibition by lenacapavir.

      Embedded within Reviewer #2's report are several substantive points that warrant careful consideration, particularly with respect to framing, terminology, and engagement with the broader literature. I view my role here is to distinguish those issues from claims that I do not find to be supported.

      We thank Reviewer 3 for the positive assessment of our work.

      First, I do not agree with Reviewer #2's central assertion that the manuscript lacks novelty or fails to present meaningful new findings. While individual elements of the system studied herecapsid docking at the NPC, lenacapavir-induced capsid hyperstabilization, capsid rupture, and competition with FG- nucleoporins-have been observed previously, this work provides a coherent, mechanistic account of how these elements are coupled. In particular, the proposed sequence linking LEN-induced lattice hyperstabilization, preferential pentamer loss at the narrow end, NPC-induced mechanical stress, and failure of nuclear import represents a nontrivial integration that goes beyond prior phenomenological observations. I therefore do not view this work as redundant with existing literature.

      We thank Reviewer 3 for the positive assessment of our work.

      That said, Reviewer #2 is correct to note that the manuscript would benefit from broader and more explicit engagement with recent independent studies, including computational and hybrid modeling efforts that address capsid mechanics, nuclear entry, and LEN effects using different frameworks. While the authors' bottom-up coarse-grained approach is clearly distinct and, in many respects, more systematically derived, eLife readers would benefit from a clearer discussion of how the present results relate to, complement, or differ from these other approaches. I strongly encourage the authors to add a short discussion paragraph situating their work within this broader context, without disparaging alternative models.

      We have now added several sentences describing papers that use two other CG models that are of some relevance to our work at the beginning of the fourth paragraph of the Introduction, and we have also highlighted the distinguishing features of our work at the end of that paragraph.

      Second, I find that some mechanistic claims in the manuscript would benefit from more careful language distinguishing model-conditioned interpretation from de novo prediction. This applies in particular to discussions of LEN binding heterogeneity and stoichiometry, as well as to conclusions drawn from biased enhanced-sampling simulations. While I agree with the authors that parameterization does not invalidate mechanistic insight, it is important to be precise about what aspects of the behavior emerge from the simulations versus what is constrained by prior experimental knowledge. Modest tightening/revising of language (e.g., "suggests," "is consistent with," "within the model") would address this concern without weakening the scientific conclusions.

      We have revised and softened the language in several places as suggested. However, we do still asert that our overall CG modeling approach is quite rigorous. The use of limited “top down” information on LEN binding is not problematic and in fact warranted in this problem.

      Third, Reviewer #2 raises a legitimate semantic issue regarding the use of the term "elasticity." The manuscript infers changes in capsid mechanical response using heterogeneous elastic network models, which quantify effective stiffness and deformability rather than elasticity in the macroscopic materials sense. I recommend that the authors clarify this definition explicitly in the text to avoid confusion and unnecessary debate.

      We have now added a clarification at the end of the third paragraph of the subsection entitled “LEN binding to the capsid results in hyperstabilized lattice domains”. We have also added text in the second paragraph of the Discussion. Our view is that our perspective is more useful for this problem than a “macroscopic” perspective as the capsid is, in fact, a mesoscopic object and not a macroscopic one.

      Finally, I note that several of Reviewer #2's objections-particularly those asserting circular reasoning, misuse of enhanced sampling methods, or invalidity of coarse-grained predictions reflect a misunderstanding of contemporary bottom-up coarse-grained modeling rather than genuine methodological flaws. I do not believe these points require further rebuttal or revision beyond what the authors have already provided.

      We agree.

      In summary, in my view, the manuscript represents a solid contribution to the field, provided that the authors undertake a limited set of targeted revisions aimed at improving framing, clarity, and engagement with the broader literature. Addressing these points will strengthen the manuscript and ensure that its contributions are clearly and fairly communicated to the community.

      We have done so as suggested by the reviewer.

    1. The kitchen was littered with appalling mounds ofraw food: A slimy rock cod with bulging eyes that pleaded not to be thrown into a pan of hot oil. Tofu,which looked like stacked wedges of rubbery white sponges. A bowl soaking dried fungus back to life.A plate of squid, their backs crisscrossed with knife markings so they resembled bicycle tires.

      The way Amy describes the food displays the disgust she feels towards her culture, despite her growing up with these dishes, she views them as strange because of her desire to conceal her culture

    2. Your only shame is to have shame.

      This line feels like the main lesson of the story. The only shame Amy had was being ashamed of who she is and her culture. Nothing was wrong with culture, but she made it feel wrong to herself because she wanted to be more "American"

    1. Do you believe crowd harassment is ever justified?

      I believe that crowd harassment is rarely justified. The only time that I think it should be is when a person is abusing a position of power. For example, an elected politician that is bribing or breaking laws without consequences would justify crowd harassment.

    2. Do you believe crowd harassment is ever justified?

      I think there are very rare circumstances where crowd harassment is justified, like when the person being harassed is in a position of power and has more power than the individuals harassing them, but I also wouldn't qualify that as harassment; based on the definition given in the textbook, it would be considered harassment.

    3. 17.2. Crowd Harassment# Harassment can also be done through crowds. Crowd harassment has also always been a part of culture, such as riots, mob violence, revolts, revolution, government persecution, etc. Social media then allows new ways for crowd harassment to occur. Crowd harassment includes all the forms of individual harassment we already mentioned (like bullying, stalking, etc.), but done by a group of people. Additionally, we can consider the following forms of crowd harassment: [Dogpiling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogpiling_(Internet) [q4]): When a crowd of people targets or harasses the same person. Public Shaming (this will be our next chapter) Cross-platform raids (e.g., 4chan group planning harassment on another platform [q5]) Stochastic terrorism [q6] The use of mass public communication, usually against a particular individual or group, which incites or inspires acts of terrorism which are statistically probable but happen seemingly at random. [q7] See also: An atmosphere of violence: Stochastic terror in American politics [q8] In addition, fake crowds (e.g., bots or people paid to post) can participate in crowd harassment. For example: “The majority of the hate and misinformation about [Meghan Markle and Prince Henry] originated from a small group of accounts whose primary, if not sole, purpose appears to be to tweet negatively about them. […] 83 accounts are responsible for 70% of the negative hate content targeting the couple on Twitter.” Twitter Data Has Revealed A Coordinated Campaign Of Hate Against Meghan Markle [q9]

      The area of fake crowds causing harassment has an ironic resemblance to the way we found bots were similar to each other -- the same type of automation which produces a manufactured political support base and/or artificially inflates engagement (for example, "I have thousands of supporters!") can be used to create the illusion of an enormous amount of hatred for one person. What is disturbing about this is that it is impossible for the person who is being harassed to know if they are really experiencing a massive amount of hate from many people or simply seeing it because of artificial means.

    1. Have you experienced or witnessed harassment on social media (that you are willing to share about)?

      One instance of harassment on social media I thought of didn't technically happen, but rather is from the TV series Adolescence. In this show, the 13-year-old protagonist Jamie is arrested for the murder of his classmate. The audience later discovers that his classmates were bullying him, both in person and online. It eventually resulted in people calling him an "incel" online, and many others interacting with this comment. While this is a fictional example, it raises real questions about the impact of the internet -especially on kids - and how it may lead people to act in ways they never would have otherwise.

    1. Localization strategy

      The strategy may make sense, however, if the added value associated with local customization supports higher pricing, which enables the firm to recoup its higher costs, or if it leads to substantially greater local demand, enabling the firm to reduce costs through the attainment of some scale economies in the local market.

    2. Global Standardization Strategy

      It is important to note that while a global standardization strategy helps to lower costs, the firm may not present itself as a low-cost competitor to its customers. Indeed, it may also do certain things that raise its costs in pursuit of superior brand equity.

    3. Rise of regionalism

      The ability to standardize a product offering within a region allows for the attainment of greater scale economies, and hence lower costs, than if each nation had to have its own offering.

      The creation of a single EU market—with a single currency, common business regulations, standard infrastructure, and so on—cannot help but result in the reduction of certain national differences among countries within the EU and the creation of one regional rather than several national markets.

    4. Host-Government Demands

      For example, pharmaceutical companies are subject to local clinical test- ing, registration procedures, and pricing restrictions, all of which make it necessary that the manufacturing and marketing of a drug should meet local requirements. Because gov- ernments and government agencies control a significant proportion of the health care budget in most countries, they are in a powerful position to demand a high level of local responsiveness.

    5. Differences in Distribution Channels

      In the pharmaceutical industry, for example, the British and Japanese distribution systems are radically different from the U.S. system. British and Japanese doctors will not accept or respond favorably to a U.S.-style high-pressure sales force.

      Similarly, Poland, Brazil, and Russia all have simi- lar per capita income on a purchasing power parity basis, but there are big differences in dis- tribution systems across the three countries. In Brazil, supermarkets account for 36 percent of food retailing, in Poland for 18 percent, and in Russia for less than 1 percent.

    6. Pressures for cost reductions

      The liberalization of the world trade and investment environment in recent decades, by facilitating greater international competition, has generally increased cost pressures.

    7. Strategic significance

      serving a global market from a single location is consistent with moving down the experience curve and establishing a low-cost position

    8. Economies of scale

      Second, a firm may not be able to attain an efficient scale of production unless it serves global markets.

      Finally, as global sales increase the size of the enterprise, so its bargaining power with suppliers increases, which may allow it to attain economies of scale in purchasing, bargaining down the cost of key inputs and boosting profitability that way.

    9. Learning effects

      Learning effects tend to be more significant when a technologically complex task is repeated because there is more that can be learned about the task

    10. core competence

      They enable a firm to reduce the costs of value creation and/or to create per- ceived value in such a way that premium pricing is possible (e.g., many believe that Apple uses premium pricing for its line of iPhones).

    11. Marketing

      If these create a favorable impression of the firm’s product in the minds of consumers, they increase the price that can be charged for the firm’s product.

    12. firm must charge a lower price than it could were it a monopoly supplier.

      In a competitive market, firms must lower prices to attract customers. If the firm were a monopoly, it could charge a much higher price.

    1. What features of the social media platform that you considered were being used for harassment?

      YouTube has several platform features can sometimes be used for harassment like people leaves a lot of ude, hateful, or threatening comment below these video based on their feeling and do not care anything. That makes creators may be bullied, threatened, or negatively affected in their daily lives because large numbers of users can quickly spread hate. Some people are willing to post misleading or false information just to gain attention and views. Some users create videos to mock or publicly shame another creator, which can encourage targeted harassment and cause even more hate toward that person.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This valuable study examines the cleavage of motor neuron nucleoporins by proteases of enterovirus D68, a pathogen associated with acute flaccid myelitis. The evidence supporting the effects of EV-D68 proteases on nuclear import and export is generally solid, as is the independent examination of EV-D68 protease on spinal cord neuron toxicity. The specific conclusions related to RNA export were considered overstated relative to the data presented.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Zinn and colleagues investigated the role of proteases 2A and 3C of enterovirus D68 (EVD68), an emerging pathogen associated with outbreaks of acute flaccid myelitis (AFM), a polio-like disease, on the nucleocytoplasmic trafficking in different systems, including human neurons derived from pluripotent cells. They found that 2A specifically cleaved Nup98 and POM121. Using reporter proteins and RNA synthesis and trafficking assays in cells expressing viral proteases, they showed that 2A induces broad loss of the nuclear pore barrier function, but, surprisingly, the RNA export appears to be minimally affected. Since nucleocytoplasmic trafficking defects are known to be associated with neuropatologies, they propose a hypothesis that 2A-dependent cleavage of nucleoporins in motoneurons underlies the development of EVD68-induced AFM. They further show that a 2A-specific inhibitor increases the survival of human neurons differentiated from stem cells upon EVD68 infection.

      Strengths:

      Use of multiple methods to investigate the effect of 2A and 3C expression on nucleoporin cleavage and nucleocytoplasmic trafficking.

      Comments on revisions:

      The following issues remain unresolved:

      First, the authors still do not show representative images confirming specific nucleoporin degradation (Fig.1), which is the main focus of the work.

      Second, the conclusion that 2A-mediated degradation of the nucleo-cytoplasmic barrier does not affect export of the RNA from the nucleus is not supported by the presented data. The representative images shown in Fig 3C do not have the signal for GFP (like in Fig. 2), and therefore it is impossible to see if those cells indeed express EVD68 proteases.

      Moreover, to show RNA export, not only the decrease of nuclear EU signal should be quantified, but also the increase of the cytoplasmic signal. The diminishing of the nuclear staining may not necessarily reflect RNA export, but may well be explained by nuclease activity, all the more relevant in cells expressing 2A, where the nuclear-cytoplasmic barrier is disrupted and cytoplasmic nucleases may enter the nucleus.

      The same applies to images in Fig. 3D. There are no markers of infection; moreover, the experiment description indicates that EU labeling began at 24 h post-infection with an MOI of 5, i.e., essentially all cells should have been infected. This is difficult to believe as the replication cycle of most EVD68 strains in HeLa cells is no longer than 12 h, yet the images do not show any signs of CPE, and demonstrate a strong EU signal, inconsistent with the expected inhibition of nuclear transcription, a known attribute of enterovirus infections.

      The claim that nuclear transcription and RNA export remain unaffected in conditions of 2A-mediated disruption of the nucleo-cytoplasmic barrier is very strong and requires equally strong evidence.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript investigates the role of EV-D68 proteases 2A and 3C in nuclear pore complex (NPC) dysfunction and their contribution to motor neuron toxicity. The authors demonstrate that both proteases cleave only a limited number of nucleoporins, with 2A^pro showing the strongest impact by inhibiting nuclear import and export of proteins and disrupting NPC permeability without affecting RNA export. Importantly, treatment with the 2A^pro inhibitor telaprevir reduced neuronal cell death in a dose-dependent manner, achieving neuroprotection at concentrations below those required to inhibit viral replication. The study addresses a relevant mechanism underlying EV-D68-induced neuropathology and explores a potential therapeutic intervention.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The author showed expression of the viral proteases 2Apro and 3Cpro of EV-D68, which cleaved specific components of the nuclear pore complex (Nup98 and POM121 by 2Apro), and 2A but not 3C expression altered nuclear import and export. Similar nucleocytoplasmic transport deficits are observed in EV-D68-infected RD cells and iPSC-derived motor neurons (diMNs). 2A inhibitor telaprevir partially rescued the nucleocytoplasmic transport deficits and suppressed neuronal cell death after infection. While it's clear that 2A can cleave NPC proteins and affect nuclear transport, the link to neurotoxicity after EV-D68 infection is less convincing.

      This study opens up a very intriguing hypothesis: that EV-D68 2Apro could be directly responsible for motor neuron cell death, mediated by POM121 and possibly Nup98 cleavage, that ultimately results in paralysis known as acute flaccid myelitis. This hypothesis notably does run counter to other published data showing that human neuronal organoids derived from iPSCs can support productive EV-D68 infection for weeks without cell death and that EV-D68-infected mice can have paralysis prevented by depletion of CD8 T cells, still with EV-D68 infection of the spinal cord. However, even if 2Apro is not ultimately responsible for motor neurons dying in human infections, that does not exclude the possibility that cleavage of nups could still disrupt motor neuron function. Notably, most children with AFM have some amount of motor function return after their acute period of paralysis, but most still have some residual paralysis for years to life. It is possible that 2A pro could mediate the acute onset of weakness, while T cells killing neurons could determine the amount of long-term, residual paralysis.

      Strengths:

      The characterization of nuclear pore complex components that appear to be targets of both poliovirus and EV-D68 proteases is quite thorough and expansive, so this data set alone will be useful for reference to the field. And the process by which the authors narrowed their focus to EV-D68 2Apro reducing Nup98 and POM121 as consequential to both import and export of nuclear cargo but not RNA was technically impressive, thorough, and convincing. As will be detailed below, when the authors move from studying over-expressed proteases in transformed cell lines to studying actual virus infection in both transformed cell lines and iPSC-derived neurons, some of the data only indirectly support their conclusions; however, the quality of the experiments performed is still high. So even if the claim that 2Apro causes neurotoxicity is circumstantial, the data certainly are intriguing and certainly justify further study of the effects of EV-D68 2Apro on the NPC and how this impacts pathogenesis. This is a convincing start to an intriguing line of inquiry.

      Comments on revisions:

      The authors have returned a stronger revised manuscript, being responsive to most of the combined reviewers' comments. It was especially important to add the clarity and specificity that the data in this manuscript did not establish a direct link for 2Apro causing AFM. The authors have clarified this language adequately, such that it is appropriate to remove the "incomplete" portion of the short assessment as they have requested. Adding in experiments with EV-D68 virus infection to complement their work with recombinant proteases also strengthened their conclusions.

      There are still some areas where discrepancies remain, although these are minor and can mostly be acknowledged as limitations of their approach rather than needing more experiments, unless the authors choose to do the additional experiments. To try to make this understandable, I have copied from the rebuttal letter (*) original comment, (**) author's rebuttal, and (***) a reply to the rebuttal:

      (*)(2) Telaprevir was able to rescue nucleocytoplasmic transport in RD cells at low concentrations (Figure 4A). It is not shown if this correlates with its antiviral effect in RD cells, or could this correlate with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121, which is never measured.

      (**) In the aforementioned new experiment in Figure 4A, we have also included a dose-response curve for telaprevir showing its inhibition of POM121 and Nup98 cleavage.

      (***) Fig.4A is in diMN not RD cells. The EC50 of telaprevir could be very different in RD cell vs diMNs. This question remains unanswered.

      (*) (3) Building off of the prior point, the authors' claim that the neuroprotective effect of telaprevir is independent of its antiviral effect is not well-founded. Figure 4E (neuroprotection) was done with MOI 5, and Figure 4G (virus growth) was MOI 0.5. Telaprevir neuroprotection is not shown at MOI 0.5, nor is the neuroprotective effect correlated with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121.

      (**) The selection of MOIs for these two experiments was limited by technical considerations. If the viral growth curve were to be performed at MOI 5, it would be confounded by cell death. Further, a low MOI is required in order to allow multiple rounds of infection, and is therefore more sensitive for assaying the effect of telaprevir on viral replication. On the other hand, at MOI 0.5 diMN death is very gradual, and the neuroprotection assay we would have lacked the statistical power to determine whether a rescue of this small magnitude of toxicity is significant. The EC50 of telaprevir is not expected to vary at different MOIs.

      (***) This should be discussed in the Discussion as a limitation of the experiment.

      (**) We have also now correlated the inhibition of 2Apro cleavage of Nup98 and POM121 with the neuroprotective effect at comparable concentrations of telaprevir, as described above.

      (***) Unless you quantify this, my eye disagrees with you. In Fig.4A, cleavage of NUP98 is rescued by 3uM telaprevir, but that does not seem to be the case for POM121.

      Additionally, in Fig. 4D, why is only NLS but not NES is impaired in diMN? This should be discussed.

    5. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      eLife Assessment

      This valuable study examines the cleavage of motor neuron nucleoporins by proteases 2A and 3C of enterovirus D68, a pathogen associated with acute flaccid myelitis. The evidence supporting the effects of EV-D68 proteases on nuclear import and export is solid and confirms previous results on the specific targeting of nucleoporins by proteases from other enteroviruses. However, the claim that cleavage of nucleoporins by EV-D68 2A is neurotoxic, though intriguing, is incomplete, as the evidence is largely indirect.

      We appreciate that the reviewers highlighted multiple strengths of manuscript, including its detailed mechanistic dissection of the disrupted composition and function of the nuclear pore complex during EV-D68 infection, the finding that the viral 2A protease is toxic to motor neurons, and that several novel hypotheses on the pathogenesis of acute flaccid myelitis that are raised by our work.

      It appears that two independent eLife Assessments were made regarding the strength of evidence in our manuscript. The evidence supporting the impact of EV-D68 proteases on the NPC was felt to be solid.

      A second assessment was made as to whether our data support that “the cleavage of nucleoporins by EV-D68 2A is neurotoxic”. We would like to clarify that we did not intend to make this second claim in our manuscript and thought that we had been careful not to do so. In response to reviewer and editorial feedback, we have edited the text to improve the clarity on this issue. Although our data show that 2A<sup>pro</sup> is toxic to motor neurons, it cannot yet be determined whether this toxicity is mediated via 2A<sup>pro</sup>’s effects on the NPC. That is a logical hypothesis that arises from our manuscript, which we are testing through ongoing work that will require a significant volume of experiments that are outside the scope of the present study. We view this manuscript as an important first step towards a comprehensive understanding of the role of the 2A protease in the pathogenesis of AFM. Please see the response to point # 3 of Reviewer 2 below for a more detailed discussion of this issue and the changes we have made to the text in response. We respectfully request that a judgement on the role of nucleoporin cleavage as the mechanism of neurotoxicity not be included in the eLife Assessment.

      Also in response to reviewer feedback that our data was too reliant on the expression of recombinant viral proteins in isolation, we have added additional experiments extending our results into the context of live virus infection of cell lines and motor neurons. We feel that our revised manuscript has been improved as a result of the reviewers’ and editor’s input, and provides strong support for the following claims: (1) NPC composition and function is disrupted during EV-D68 infection, (2) 2A<sup>pro</sup> is primarily responsible for functional disruption, and (3) 2A<sup>pro</sup> is neurotoxic.

      We appreciate your review of this revised manuscript. Detailed responses to each of the reviewers’ comments are provided below.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Zinn and colleagues investigated the role of proteases 2A and 3C of enterovirus D68 (EVD68), an emerging pathogen associated with outbreaks of acute flaccid myelitis (AFM), a polio-like disease, on the nucleocytoplasmic trafficking in different systems, including human neurons derived from pluripotent cells. They found that 2A specifically cleaved Nup98 and POM121. Using reporter proteins and RNA synthesis and trafficking assays in cells expressing viral proteases, they showed that 2A induces broad loss of the nuclear pore barrier function, but, surprisingly, the RNA export appears to be minimally affected. Since nucleocytoplasmic trafficking defects are known to be associated with neuropatologies, they propose a hypothesis that 2A-dependent cleavage of nucleoporins in motoneurons underlies the development of EVD68-induced AFM. They further show that a 2A-specific inhibitor increases the survival of human neurons differentiated from stem cells upon EVD68 infection.

      Strengths:

      Use of multiple methods to investigate the effect of 2A and 3C expression on nucleoporin cleavage and nucleocytoplasmic trafficking.

      We thank the reviewer for detailed and accurate review of our manuscript and recognition of these strengths.

      Weaknesses:

      Overall, the paper follows multiple others that extensively investigated the cleavage of nucleoporins by enterovirus 2As, so the results are of limited novelty. The hypothesis that infection of motoneurons is the cause of EVD68-induced neurological complications so far is supported by only one autopsy report. Other data suggest that infection of other cell types, such as astrocytes, and/or inflammatory cell infiltration in the CNS, are likely to be responsible for the symptoms. In any case, the claim that EVD68 is specifically neurotoxic because of the 2A-dependent cleavage of nucleoporins in neurons is unfounded, as the virus will be just as "toxic" for other infected cell types.

      While we agree that other papers have investigated this pathway in other enteroviruses, we note that our work is the first to do so in Enterovirus D68 and the most comprehensive study, in terms of the number of nucleoporins studied. As we reviewed in paragraph 5 of the introduction section, the activities of enterovirus proteases against specific nucleoporins varies from strain to strain, and is important to understand any strain-specific effects before determining whether this pathway is relevant to toxicity in AFM.

      The infection of motor neurons is strongly supported not only by the aforementioned autopsy data [1], but also by mouse model data demonstrating replication of EV-D68 within motor neurons in the anterior horn of the spinal cord.[2] There are also numerous reports of electromyography and nerve conduction studies from human AFM patients demonstrating that the site of pathology is the spinal motor neuron.[3-10]

      By contrast, infection of astrocytes has been demonstrated only in primary murine astrocyte cultures in which no neurons were present [11]. Therefore, while the available data suggest that EV-D68 infection of astrocytes is possible, in the in vivo context of human and mouse spinal cord, tropism to motor neurons appears to be preferential. The relative toxicity of neuron-autonomous vs non-autonomous processes such as glial dysfunction and inflammatory cell infiltration remain to be elucidated, and are not mutually exclusive.

      The paper also requires a more convincing presentation of the data.

      We are uncertain what other specific changes the reviewer would like to see based on this comment, but feel that the revisions have improved the presentation of the data.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript investigates the role of EV-D68 proteases 2A and 3C in nuclear pore complex (NPC) dysfunction and their contribution to motor neuron toxicity. The authors demonstrate that both proteases cleave only a limited number of nucleoporins, with 2A^pro showing the strongest impact by inhibiting nuclear import and export of proteins and disrupting NPC permeability without affecting RNA export. Importantly, treatment with the 2A^pro inhibitor telaprevir reduced neuronal cell death in a dose-dependent manner, achieving neuroprotection at concentrations below those required to inhibit viral replication. The study addresses a relevant mechanism underlying EV-D68-induced neuropathology and explores a potential therapeutic intervention.

      Strengths:

      (1) Provides significant mechanistic insight into how EV-D68 proteases alter NPC function and contribute to neuronal toxicity.

      (2) The use of recombinant 2A and 3C proteins allows clear dissection of the specific contribution of each protease.

      (3) Demonstrates a therapeutic effect of telaprevir, with neuroprotection independent of viral replication inhibition, adding translational value to the findings.

      (4) The topic is highly relevant given the association of EV-D68 with acute flaccid myelitis.

      We thank the reviewer for their insightful comments and recognition of these strengths in our study.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) Most experiments were performed with recombinant proteases, lacking validation in the context of viral infection, where both proteases act simultaneously.

      In response to this concern, we have added additional experiments in the context of viral infection. We show that POM121 and Nup98 are also cleaved in motor neurons infected with EV-D68 and that their cleavage is inhibited by telaprevir (Fig 4A). We also repeated the EU pulse-chase RNA export assay in EV-D68-infected RD cells and again found no effect on RNA export (Fig 3D-E).

      (2) The conclusion that RNA export is unaffected requires confirmation during actual infection.

      As above, we have repeated this experiment in EV-D68 RD cells, showing no effect of EV-D68 infection on RNA export.

      (3) The reduction of neurotoxicity by telaprevir does not fully demonstrate that the protective effect is solely mediated through NPC preservation; additional analyses of eIF4G cleavage, nucleoporin integrity, and stress granules are needed.

      We agree that while the evidence in our manuscript raises the hypothesis that telaprevir-mediated neuroprotection is mediated via NPC preservation, it does not fully demonstrate this to be the case. As discussed above, we have been careful to state only the following conclusions: (1) NPC composition and function is disrupted during EV-D68 infection, (2) 2A<sup>pro</sup> is primarily responsible for functional disruption, and (3) 2A<sup>pro</sup> is neurotoxic.

      Future work will determine the extent to which NPC dysfunction contributes to 2A<sup>pro</sup>-mediated motor neuron toxicity versus other potential targets of 2A<sup>pro</sup>, as suggested by the reviewer. This work is already underway in our lab and it is clear to us the additional experiments required will be extensive, likely 1-2 additional manuscripts. These experiments are therefore beyond the scope of the present study, which represents a key first step in this line of inquiry.

      We specifically acknowledged in the Discussion that “A significant limitation of our study, however, is that we cannot exclude potentially toxic effects of 2A<sup>pro</sup> on aspects of host neuronal biology aside from the NPC.” We have also made the following adjustments to the text to make it more clear that this remains an open question:

      Change the title to more clearly separate the effects of 2Apro on NPC function and motor neuron toxicity as independent events: “Enterovirus D68 2A protease causes nuclear pore complex dysfunction and independently contributes to motor neuron toxicity”

      In the abstract, shortened the following sentence: “We therefore sought to determine the impact of EV-D68 proteases on NPC composition and function” to avoid any implicit connection that a mechanistic link has been established between these two concepts. Neurotoxicity is now introduced later in the abstract by saying “Independently, we show…” instead of “We further show…”

      Removed language in the last paragraph of the Results section that may have been construed to suggest a mechanistic linkage: “Because similar deficits have been reported to contribute to neurotoxicity in neurodegenerative disease…” and simply stated “We next sought to determine the extent to which 2Apro activity independently contributes to motor neuron injury during EV-D68 infection.”

      Edited the opening sentence of the discussion, where it was ambiguous whether the word “their” was referring to the enterovirus protease (which was our intent) or to NPC disruption as the cause of motor neuron toxicity. We removed the discussion of toxicity from this paragraph entirely to remove such confusion.

      Edited the final paragraph of the discussion to include “We have also demonstrated that 2A<sup>pro</sup> activity contributes to nucleocytoplasmic transport dysfunction and separately to cell death in motor neurons infected with EV-D68”. We then go on to discuss the hypothesis that this toxicity might be mediated partially or entirely through NPC dysfunction, and propose that this be a focus of further study.

      (4) The study would be strengthened by including another 2A inhibitor (e.g., boceprevir) to confirm the specificity of telaprevir's protective effects.

      While we would like to be able to include multiple pharmacologic inhibitors of 2A<sup>pro</sup>, unfortunately telaprevir is the only known inhibitor of EV-D68 2A<sup>pro</sup>. The same study that identified telaprevir as an EV-D68 2A<sup>pro</sup> inhibitor also evaluated boceprevir and determined that its inhibitory activity against 2A<sup>pro</sup> is minimal [12].

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The author showed expression of the viral proteases 2Apro and 3Cpro of EV-D68, which cleaved specific components of the nuclear pore complex (Nup98 and POM121 by 2Apro), and 2A but not 3C expression altered nuclear import and export. Similar nucleocytoplasmic transport deficits are observed in EV-D68-infected RD cells and iPSC-derived motor neurons (diMNs). 2A inhibitor telaprevir partially rescued the nucleocytoplasmic transport deficits and suppressed neuronal cell death after infection. While it's clear that 2A can cleave NPC proteins and affect nuclear transport, the link to neurotoxicity after EV-D68 infection is less convincing.

      This study opens up a very intriguing hypothesis: that EV-D68 2Apro could be directly responsible for motor neuron cell death, mediated by POM121 and possibly Nup98 cleavage, that ultimately results in paralysis known as acute flaccid myelitis. This hypothesis notably does run counter to other published data showing that human neuronal organoids derived from iPSCs can support productive EV-D68 infection for weeks without cell death and that EV-D68-infected mice can have paralysis prevented by depletion of CD8 T cells, still with EV-D68 infection of the spinal cord. However, even if 2Apro is not ultimately responsible for motor neurons dying in human infections, that does not exclude the possibility that cleavage of nups could still disrupt motor neuron function. Notably, most children with AFM have some amount of motor function return after their acute period of paralysis, but most still have some residual paralysis for years to life. It is possible that 2A pro could mediate the acute onset of weakness, while T cells killing neurons could determine the amount of long-term, residual paralysis.

      We thank the reviewer for their thoughtful comments. As discussed above, we agree that the present data demonstrate that 2A<sup>pro</sup> causes NPC dysfunction and is toxic in motor neurons, but has not proven that the mechanism of neurotoxicity is via NPC dysfunction.

      We appreciate the commentary on novel hypotheses opened by our work. Our recent thinking on this topic has been similar and we look forward to addressing these ideas further in future studies. Motor neuron dysfunction and motor neuron death may ultimately prove to have separate causes. The infection of motor neurons is likely the initiating event, with multiple downstream consequences which may be neuron-autonomous, or mediated by glial and inflammatory responses, or a mixture thereof.

      Strengths:

      The characterization of nuclear pore complex components that appear to be targets of both poliovirus and EV-D68 proteases is quite thorough and expansive, so this data set alone will be useful for reference to the field. And the process by which the authors narrowed their focus to EV-D68 2Apro reducing Nup98 and POM121 as consequential to both import and export of nuclear cargo but not RNA was technically impressive, thorough, and convincing. As will be detailed below, when the authors move from studying over-expressed proteases in transformed cell lines to studying actual virus infection in both transformed cell lines and iPSC-derived neurons, some of the data only indirectly support their conclusions; however, the quality of the experiments performed is still high. So even if the claim that 2Apro causes neurotoxicity is circumstantial, the data certainly are intriguing and certainly justify further study of the effects of EV-D68 2Apro on the NPC and how this impacts pathogenesis. This is a convincing start to an intriguing line of inquiry.

      We appreciate the reviewer’s recognition of our comprehensive evaluation of NPC disruption and our approach to arriving at a mechanistic understanding of this process. We agree with the reviewer’s viewpoint that the present study represents a beginning, rather than a conclusive end to this line of inquiry. For technical reasons, we were able to achieve more rigorous and mechanistic data in cell lines expressing recombinant proteins than in neurons infected with live virus. In response the reviewers’ comments, as described above, we have added additional experiments in this revision in which we further evaluate nucleoporin cleavage and RNA export during live virus infection, and performed these experiments in iPSC-derived neurons whenever it was technically feasible to do so.

      Weaknesses:

      This study falls a bit shy of actually showing that 2Apro effects are causing motor neuron toxicity because the evidence of this is fairly indirect. At points, the authors do admit these limitations, but at other times, they claim to have shown the link directly. The following are reasons why these claims are only indirectly supported:

      We agree that we have shown direct toxicity of 2A<sup>pro</sup> in motor neurons, but have not shown that the mechanism is via NPC dysfunction. We felt that we were careful to frame our conclusions as such. However, we have revised the text to improve the clarity on this point as described above.

      (1) Cleavage of Nup98 and POM121 after EV-D68 infection in RD cells and diMNs is never demonstrated.

      We have added data showing the cleavage of POM121 and Nup98 in EV-D68 infected diMNs (Figure 4A).

      (2) Telaprevir was able to rescue nucleocytoplasmic transport in RD cells at low concentrations (Figure 4A). It is not shown if this correlates with its antiviral effect in RD cells, or could this correlate with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121, which is never measured.

      In the aforementioned new experiment in Figure 4A, we have also included a dose-response curve for telaprevir showing its inhibition of POM121 and Nup98 cleavage.

      (3) Building off of the prior point, the authors' claim that the neuroprotective effect of telaprevir is independent of its antiviral effect is not well-founded. Figure 4E (neuroprotection) was done with MOI 5, and Figure 4G (virus growth) was MOI 0.5. Telaprevir neuroprotection is not shown at MOI 0.5, nor is the neuroprotective effect correlated with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121.

      The selection of MOIs for these two experiments was limited by technical considerations. If the viral growth curve were to be performed at MOI 5, it would be confounded by cell death. Further, a low MOI is required in order to allow multiple rounds of infection, and is therefore more sensitive for assaying the effect of telaprevir on viral replication. On the other hand, at MOI 0.5 diMN death is very gradual, and the neuroprotection assay we would have lacked the statistical power to determine whether a rescue of this small magnitude of toxicity is significant. The EC<sub>50</sub> of telaprevir is not expected to vary at different MOIs.

      We have also now correlated the inhibition of 2A<sup>pro</sup> cleavage of Nup98 and POM121 with the neuroprotective effect at comparable concentrations of telaprevir, as described above.

      (4) The use of mixed virus isolates only in the diMNs is problematic because different EV-D68 isolates are known to have drastically different effects on pathogenesis in mice. Since all initial data were generated with the MO isolate, adding the additional MD isolate to the diMN experiments actually adds uncertainty to the conclusions. It is not clear if the authors infected different cultures with the different isolates and combined the data or infected all cultures with a mixture of the two isolates. If the former, then the data should be reported separately to see the effect of each individual strain, which would be interesting to EV-D68 virologists. If the latter, then there is no way to know from these data whether one of the two isolates had increased fitness over the other and exerted a dominant effect. If the MD isolate overtook the MO isolate, from which all other data in this manuscript are derived, then we have much less of an idea how much the data from the first three figures supports the final figure.

      We apologize for the lack of clarity in describing this experiment. The MO/2014 and MD/2018 isolates were not mixed. These were performed in separate experiments, each with four biologically independent replicates. The original figure showed the mean and SEM for these 8 replicates together. To improve clarity, we separated each viral strain into its own panel of the figure. We have also increased the rigor of the statistical analysis in this experiment by using Cox proportional hazard regression instead of ANOVA.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewing Editor Comments:

      Please consider both public reviews above and recommendations for the authors below. The general consensus among reviewers is that more evidence is needed to support the claim that 2A causes motor neuron toxicity during infection.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Most of the conclusions are made upon analysis of images, yet the images themselves are seldom shown. It is difficult to evaluate the validity of conclusions without seeing the material that was analyzed.

      (1) Figure 1. Representative Western blots should be shown.

      We considered including representative western blots in this already large figure, however the figure size and complexity became un-manageable because the figure summarizes the quantification of 246 Western blots. In the original submission, we uploaded a supporting data file that included complete un-cropped Western blots for all experiments, including ladders, loading controls, and clear labeling of the samples. We believe these data allow the reader to assess the quality and reliability of our Western blot experiments while maintaining the approachability of the figures and data presentation. We have also included these supporting data again in the revised manuscript.

      (2) Figure 3. Representative images should be shown. This is especially important for the ethynyl-uridine labeling experiment. It would be highly surprising that RNA transcription and processing would proceed normally in 2A-expressing cells on the background of a major redistribution of nuclear proteins. One possible explanation for that would be that cells that can be analyzed express a relatively small amount of 2A, which is known to be toxic, and thus may not fully represent the cellular changes upon infection. The results from bona fide infected cells would be much more convincing.

      Representative images have been added for the ethynyl-uridine pulse-chase experiment, and this experiment has been repeated in RD cells infected with EV-D68. Transfection of proteases or infection of the cells utilized the same protocols and timeframes upon which nucleoporin cleavage and disruption of protein transport were found to be present. The timepoint for all of these experiments was selected to precede the onset of toxicity, and the representative images demonstrate normal cellular morphology. We also selected for analysis only GFP+ cells with normal morphology, ensuring that only viable 2A<sup>pro</sup>-GFP-expressing cells were included in the analysis. The new experiments again showed no effect on RNA export. We were equally surprised as the reviewers by this outcome. However, as we note in the text, disruption of RNA export has not been uniformly present across all enteroviruses previously studied.

      (3) Figure 4 A-D. Similarly, representative images should be shown.

      We have added representative images for these experiments, which are now Fig 4B-E.

      (4) Figure 4G. The demonstration that the "neuroprotective" effect of 2A inhibitor is not related to the inhibition of viral replication requires a control showing that a similar inhibition of viral replication by an inhibitor with another target would not similarly diminish cell toxicity.

      Neuronal survival experiments showed inhibition of toxicity with concentrations of telaprevir as low as 0.3 uM, a concentration at which there was no significant effect on viral replication. Telaprevir had only a marginal inhibitory effect on viral replication at 10uM (achieving statistical significance in only one of two strains), and no consistent effect on replication at lower concentrations. Therefore, the suggested control experiment would not be possible, because the neuroprotective concentration of telaprevir does not inhibit viral replication

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Major concerns:

      (1) Most of the experiments were performed with recombinant 2A and 3C proteins. While these experiments are highly informative for dissecting the role of each protease in NPC dysfunction, it would be important to also perform experiments in the context of infection. How are import and export processes affected when both proteases are present during infection? How is passive transport modified under these conditions?

      Thank you for this important comment. Please see the above discussion of additional experiments that we added utilizing live virus infection to complement the experiments that used recombinant proteins.

      (2) The results regarding RNA export in the presence of recombinant 2A and 3C proteases suggest that RNA export is not altered. It would be important to confirm this finding during infection.

      We agree that this is an important experiment, and have done so as described above.

      (3) While the background information suggests that NPC dysfunction contributes to neurotoxicity, the observed reduction of neurotoxicity by telaprevir does not demonstrate that this effect is solely due to the action of 2A on the NPC. It would be important to evaluate the integrity of eIF4G, nucleoporins, and stress granules during treatment.

      We agree that additional experiments would be required to determine the extent to which the toxicity of 2A<sup>pro</sup> is mediated through its effects on the NPC versus other potential targets. Please see above discussion for more details.

      (4) Including another 2A inhibitor (e.g., boceprevir) would strengthen the conclusions by confirming the results obtained with telaprevir.

      Please see above discussion of boceprevir

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Preferred ICTV nomenclature abbreviates rhinovirus as RV instead of HRV, so the authors should change their abbreviations appropriately. See Simmonds et al.

      Archives of Virology (2020) 165:793-797 https://doi.org/10.1007/s00705-019-04520-6

      We have updated these abbreviations accordingly.

      (2) There is no mention of Figures 1C and 1D in the text.

      These have been added in the appropriate locations.

      (3) In the section "2A protease alters nucleocytoplasmic trafficking of protein substrates" it would be very helpful to just directly state what each construct is meant to demonstrate. Along the lines of "NLS-tdTomato should be located in the nucleus, so seeing more signal in the cytoplasm would indicate a defect in nuclear import." And something equivalent for the other two constructs.

      Thank you for the suggestion. We have added descriptions of the use and interpretation for each construct.

      (4) The following sentence would be more accurate with the addition of "partially" because the effect is not returned to normal levels: "The mislocalization of NLS-tdTomato was partially rescued by 3μM telaprevir."

      We have edited this as recommended.

      (5) SNAP29 is probably a typo and meant to be CREB in the legend of Figure 1B.

      Thank you for catching this. We have corrected this to CREB.

      (6) "Panel A" should likely be "Panel E" in the Figure 4F legend.

      We have corrected this to refer to the appropriate panel, which has also been re-lettered due to the addition of new panels to this figure.

      (7) The authors should at least show representative Western blot data used to determine the data for Figure 1 in a supplemental figure.

      As discussed above, these Western blots were included as supplemental data in the original submission, and have also been included in the revised version.

      (8) As suggested in the public comments, if the diMNs were infected separately with the MO and MD strains of EV-D68, those data should be separated from each other and reported individually. In any case, whatever was done (combined virus inoculum or separate inocula) needs to be clarified.

      These data are now reported separately. Please see above discussion for details.

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    1. eLife Assessment

      This study offers an important advance by extending an intuitive visualization tool that enables assessment of how dendritic and synaptic currents potentially shape neuronal output. The evidence supporting the tool's capabilities is convincing, with well-documented code, algorithmic innovation, and application to hippocampal pyramidal neurons. The work will be of interest to computational and systems neuroscientists seeking accessible methods to examine dendritic computations.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary

      Fogel & Ujfalussy report an extension of a visualization tool that was originally designed to enable an understanding of detailed biophysical neuron models. Named "extended currentscape", this new iteration enables visual assessment of individual currents across a neuron's spatially extended dendritic arbor with simultaneous readout of somatic currents and voltage. The overall aim was to permit a visually intuitive understanding for how a model neuron's inputs determine its output. This goal was worthwhile and the authors achieved it. Demonstrating the utility of extended currentscape, the authors leverage their models to generate interesting and detailed biophysical insights into widely studied neurophysiological phenomena with clear behavioral relevance. Overall, this study provides a valuable and well-characterized biophysical modeling resource to the neuroscience community.

      Strengths

      The authors significantly extended a previously published open-source biophysical modeling tool. Beyond providing important new capabilities, the potential impact of extended currentscape is boosted by its integration with preexisting resources in the field.

      In keeping with the authors' goal to provide an approachable platform with intuitive visualizations of how current flows through neurons, the manuscript is approachable to non-computationalists. In particular, a dedicated glossary and elegant illustrations in Figure 2 boost accessibility for biologists.

      Extended currentscape produces intriguing and detailed predictions spanning neurophysiological phenomena such as local dendritic spikes, complex spike generation, and feature selectivity (hippocampal place fields). By triggering analysis of modeled synaptic inputs on these events, the authors trace their origins from dendritic integration to synaptic input patterns.

      The authors cleverly apply a graph theoretical approach to efficiently model bidirectional current flow throughout a neuron's dendritic arbor. As a result, extended currentscape can run on a standard personal computer.

      The code is well-documented and freely available via GitHub.

      Weaknesses

      While extended currentscape meets its objective of modeling and illustrating the propagation of axial currents throughout a model neuron in great detail, it requires simulation and measurement of synaptic input currents. For this reason, there currently exists a very high technical barrier to conclusively test its intriguing predictions: simultaneous readout of synaptic inputs throughout a neuron's dendritic arbor. Mitigating this weakness, the authors propose a relatively more feasible alternative approach in Discussion: simultaneous voltage imaging of dendrites and their soma while estimating synaptic inputs from the distributions of voltage dynamics along individual dendritic branches.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      The electrical activity of neurons and neuronal circuits is dictated by the concerted activity of multiple ionic currents. Because directly investigating these currents experimentally is not possible with current methods, researchers rely on biophysical models to develop hypotheses and intuitions about their dynamics. Models of neural activity produce large amounts of data that are hard to visualize and interpret. The currentscape technique helps visualize the contributions of currents to membrane potential activity, but it is limited to model neurons without spatial properties. The extended currentscape technique overcomes this limitation by tracking the contributions of the different currents from distant locations. This extension allows tracking not only the types of currents that contribute to the activity in a given location, but also visualizing the spatial region where the currents originate. The procedure is first illustrated in a simple setting that allows testing its validity in an intuitive situation where a cell with an apical trunk and two dendritic branches responds to synaptic inputs. The procedure is then applied to study the initiation of complex spike bursts in a model hippocampal place cell.

      The extended currentscape method represents a significant improvement over the original technique, which is already utilized by several research groups. By enabling the analysis of current contributions in spatially extended models, this technique provides a new lens for investigating neuronal and circuit dynamics and will be of use to the modeling community.

      Comments on revisions:

      The changes in Figure 2 greatly improved the manuscript.

    4. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Fogel & Ujfalussy report an extension of a visualization tool that was originally designed to enable an understanding of detailed biophysical neuron models. Named "extended currentscape", this new iteration enables visual assessment of individual currents across a neuron's spatially extended dendritic arbor with simultaneous readout of somatic currents and voltage. The overall aim was to permit a visually intuitive understanding for how a model neuron's inputs determine its output. This goal was worthwhile and the authors achieved it. Their manuscript makes two additional contributions of note: (1) a clever algorithmic approach to model the axial propagation of ionic currents (recursively traversing acyclic graph subsections) and (2) interesting, albeit not easily testable, insights into important neurophysiological phenomena such as complex spike generation and place field dynamics. Overall, this study provides a valuable and well-characterized biophysical modeling resource to the neuroscience community.

      Strengths:

      The authors significantly extended a previously published open-source biophysical modeling tool. Beyond providing important new capabilities, the potential impact of "extended currentscape" is boosted by its integration with preexisting resources in the field.

      The code is well-documented and freely available via GitHub.

      The author's clever portioning algorithm to relate dendritic/synaptic currents to somatic yielded multiple intriguing observations regarding when and why CA1 pyramidal neurons fire complex spikes versus single action potentials. This topic carries major implications for how the hippocampus represents and stores information about an animal's environment.

      Weaknesses:

      While extended currentscape is clearly a valuable contribution to the neuroscience community, this reviewer would argue that it is framed in a way that oversells its capabilities. The Abstract, Introduction, Results, and Methods all contain phrases implying that extended currentscape infers dendritic/synaptic currents contributing to somatic output., i.e. backwards inference of unknown inputs from a known output. This is not the case; inputs are simulated and then propagated through the model neuron using a clever partitioning algorithm that essentially traverses a biologically undirected graph structure by treating it like a time series of tiny directed graphs. This is an impressive solution, but it does not infer a neuron's input structure.

      We are sorry if our text could be interpreted as if we were inferring unobserved inputs from the known outputs. This was not intentional and we were unaware of the possibility of such interpretation.

      In fact, at the beginning of the Results, we started the description of the extended currentscape method by explicitly stating that we need to measure the input currents: “Our method … requires measuring the membrane and axial currents throughout the dendritic tree of a neuron (in every node of the circuit)”.

      To further clarify that our method starts with measuring the input currents, we made this information explicit already in the abstract (“Our approach relies on the iterative decomposition of the axial current flowing between neighbouring compartments in proportion to the underlying membrane currents measured in the model.”), and in the Introduction (“Even if the membrane currents are known, studying the impact of particular ion channels on the neuronal response in such a dynamical system under in vivo conditions is hindered by two major obstacles”). We also rewrote several parts of the text to remove any phrases that could imply the inference of the inputs (line 568). We believe that after clarifying this at the beginning of the paper, the readers will not misinterpret our descriptions later in the text.

      Because a directed acyclic graph architecture is shown in Figure 2, it is unintuitive that the authors can infer bidirectional current flow, e.g. Figure 3 showing current flowing from basal dendrites and axon to soma, and further towards the apical dendrites. This is explained in Methods, but difficult to parse from Results amidst lots of rather abstract jargon (target, reference, collision, compartment). Figure 2 would have presented an opportunity to clearly illustrate the author's portioning algorithm by (1) rooting it in the exact morphology of one of their multicompartmental model neurons and (2) illustrating that "target" and "reference" have arbitrary morphological meanings; they describe the direction of current flow which is reevaluated at each time step.

      We thank for this comment. We agree that the concepts introduced here to explain our method are rather abstract and could be difficult to understand. To help the reader we followed the instructions of Reviewer and redesigned Fig. 2 to provide a step by step explanation of the extended currentscape method. In particular,

      We used a simpler model where the structure of the graph can be directly related to the morphology of the model.

      We show that the target node can connect multiple subtrees with axial currents flowing in different directions. We explain that in this case the inward and the outward subtrees are pruned and partitioned separately.

      We provide a glossary in Table 1 to ensure that the readers can follow our description and do not get lost amidst lots of rather abstract jargon.

      We also clarified that although the target compartment is chosen arbitrarily by the user, it remains the same for all time points throughout the analysis.

      Analyses in Figure 7, C and D, are insightfully devised and illuminating. However, they could use some reconciliation with Figure 5 regarding initiation of individual APs versus CSBs within place fields.

      We thank the reviewer for the positive comments and also for pointing out the potential source of misunderstanding. We slightly changed the text at Fig 5 to emphasize that this is a single example trial, and we added the following sentence to the paragraph describing Fig 7CD: “Consequently, the somatic current dynamics before the iAP and the CSB presented in Fig 5Cc-Dd can be regarded as illustrative samples from a broad distribution, but the differences observed between them are not representative.}”

      The intriguing observations generated by extended currentscape also point to its main weakness, which the authors openly acknowledge: as of now, no experimental methods exist to conclusively tests its predictions.

      We agree with the Reviewer that not being able to apply our extended currentscape method to reveal the current types driving real neurons recorded in vivo is currently a weakness of our approach. However, we would like to emphasize that it may be feasible to use it to estimate the spatial distribution of the membrane currents driving the cell based on in vivo voltage imaging data, as we briefly outline in the discussion.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary

      The electrical activity of neurons and neuronal circuits is dictated by the concerted activity of multiple ionic currents. Because directly investigating these currents experimentally isn't possible with current methods, researchers rely on biophysical models to develop hypotheses and intuitions about their dynamics. Models of neural activity produce large amounts of data that is hard to visualize and interpret. The currentscape technique helps visualize the contributions of currents to membrane potential activity, but it's limited to model neurons without spatial properties. The extended currentscape technique overcomes this limitation by tracking the contributions of the different currents from distant locations. This extension allows tracking not only the types of currents that contribute to the activity in a given location, but also visualizing the spatial region where the currents originate. The method is applied to study the initiation of complex spike bursts in a model hippocampal place cell.

      Strengths.
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      The visualization method introduced in this work represents a significant improvement over the original currentscape technique. The extended currentscape method enables investigation of the contributions of currents in spatially extended models of neurons and circuits. 
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      Weaknesses.

      The case study is interesting and highlights the usefulness of the visualization method. A simpler case study may have been sufficient to exemplify the method, while also allowing readers to compare the visualizations against their own intuitions of how currents should flow in a simpler setting. 
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      We thank the reviewer for this comment. In fact we had been also considering to include a simpler case study to illustrate the extended currentscape method in the original submission. In accordance with the comments from Reviewer 1, we now use a simple model to introduce the concepts in Figure 2 and provide a few examples where the reader can compare the results with their own intuition in simpler cases.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewing Editor Comments:

      (1) Model complexity vs. intuition/validation. The case study relies on a very complex CA1 model, making it difficult to build intuition about current flow and to validate the visualization. Inclusion of a simpler benchmark (e.g., soma plus a dendrite with two branches, fewer compartments) is recommended to demonstrate how the extended currentscape behaves in a more tractable setting.

      Inspired by the suggestions of the Reviewers, we modified Figure 2 and now first use a simple model with a soma and a dendrite with two branches to introduce the concepts of our analysis. We start with a few examples where the reader can compare the results with their own intuition in simpler cases.

      (2) Rationale and citations for input structure. The in vivo-like input design (untuned inhibition; 12 co-tuned excitatory clusters with large conductances; the goal of generating place fields) would benefit from a more explicit rationale and substantially more literature support. Alternative plausible scenarios (e.g., distributed co-tuned inputs and homosynaptic plasticity) should be articulated, and choices situated within the experimental literature on CA1 excitation/inhibition, including tuning and anti-tuning results.

      We extended the paragraph in the Results describing the input structure and added the most important references there. We added further references to the Methods section where we argue that “Reliable place cell tuning can be achieved by functional synaptic clustering without increased excitatory drive in the place field (Ujfalussy and Makara 2020) or via strong excitatory drive without input clustering (Grienberger et al., 2017, Ujfalussy and Makara, 2020). However, experimental data indicates that both of these mechanisms are present and contribute to the activity of place cells (Adoff et al., 2021,Tasciotti et al., 2025)” and “although interneurons can display spatial tuning, they typically have a broad tuning with low selectivity (Ego-Stengel et al., 2007, Dupret et al., 2013, Geiller et al., 2020). A weak disinhibition within the place field can also contribute to the selective firing of place cells (Geiller et al., 2022, Valero et al., 2022), this was not necessary for place cell activity in novel environments (Geiller et al., 2022) and the overall inhibitory input to place cells is largely untuned (Grienberger et al., 2017).”

      (3) Scope of PCA-based claims. The interpretations derived from the PCA analysis appear broader than warranted, given subcellular heterogeneity and the dominance of somatic action potential variance. These claims should be tempered with more explicit statements about what PCA can and cannot resolve in this context.

      We thank the Reviewer for the opportunity and encouragement to clarify this part of the text. We agree with the Editor and the Reviewers that the results of the PCA analysis can not be used to support claims regarding the presence or the absence of independent dendritic events. In fact, we aimed to use it as an illustration that global activity tends to dominate PCA analysis even when the “neuron is mainly driven by strong, functionally clustered synaptic inputs to a few dendritic branches”. We acknowledge that we did not formulate this point clearly in the original submission. Therefore we substantially rewrote this part of the Results and performed additional analysis to clarify that there is a substantial amount of soma-independent dendritic activity in our model that remains invisible for a PCA based analysis.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Major concerns:

      (1) Depolarization-inactivated K+ may be an important consideration to model burst-firing.

      Our current model includes 2 kinds of transient K+ channels that show inactivation after depolarization: a proximal and a distal type, as the original model in Jarsky et al., 2005. We now made this explicit in the main text (line 178).

      (2) Description of the in vivo-like model's excitatory and inhibitory input structure needs many more citations of biological studies to communicate rationale for the author's decisions, e.g. untuned inhibitory neurons, organization of a subset of excitatory inputs into 12 function synaptic clusters with co-tuned presynaptic neurons and outsized synaptic conductances. The goal is clearly to create CA1 pyramidal neurons with place fields, which would be helpful to state upfront. But additionally, (a) place fields could arise from homosynaptic potentiation of distributed co-tuned excitatory inputs (e.g., Bittner, et al. 2017 study describing BTSP made no assumptions) and (b) CA1 inhibitory interneurons can be spatially tuned (Ego-Stengel & Wilson, 2006; Wilent & Nitz, 2007; Geiller, et al. 2020) and even anti-tuned (Geiller, et al. 2021).

      We thank the Reviewer for pointing out the lack of appropriate references in this section. We made the following changes in the manuscript:

      (1) Stated explicitly that the goal was to create place cell activity.

      (2) Added references to the main text to justify our choices of the inputs (lines 234-241).

      (3) We included a longer rationale for the choice of synaptic clusters and the lack of inhibitory (anti-)tuning in the Methods section, describing the neuron model. In brief, Adoff et al., 2021 reported more clustering of excitatory inputs within the place field. In our model, the degree of clustering is somewhat larger than the clusters reported. Although inhibitory neurons can be tuned, their tuning is much weaker than that of place cells and seems to play only a minor role in the generation of place fields (Grienberger et al., 2017). The presence of inhibitory anti-tuning is controversial: although Geiller et al., 2021 reported weak (~10%) anti-tuning, they did not find it in novel environments, indicating that it is not needed for spatially selective activity (lines 628-646).

      (3) Interpretation of principal component-based analyses shown in Figure 4 could be toned down. As written in section "CSBs in the CA1 pyramidal neuron", it sounds like CA1 pyramidal neuron dendrites display minimal autonomous activity. However, PCA does not seem well-suited to address the heterogeneity of subcellular voltage dynamics over physiologically relevant timescales. Somatic action potentials, and their backpropagation/modulation of dendritic voltage, would of course explain a very large fraction of variance. However, if local dendritic events summate over fine timescales to initiate somatic firing, it is hard to imagine this important nuance being detected. On the other hand, it is hard to imagine single dendritic branches driving robust somatic firing except in the relatively extreme situation in which large numbers of synapses synchronously drive the same branch to initiate a local Ca2+ spike (Figure 3, A-C).

      We agree with the reviewer that PCA can not reveal the potential dendritic origin of somatic APs, and thus is not suitable to assess the role of local dendritic spikes in shaping the output of the cell. We wanted to highlight here that even in cells with excitable dendrites driven by strong, local input clusters, exhibiting frequent local dendritic spikes, the dendritic membrane potential dynamics will be dominated by global fluctuations with surprisingly little sign of local dynamics in the PCA components. As the reviewer also pointed out, this may not be surprising as local events either remain spatially restricted and thus contribute little to the overall variability of the dendritic Vm or they initiate somatic APs and will thus be counted as global events.

      To demonstrate the high propensity of local dendritic events, we analysed local Vm peaks in dendritic branches and found that ~7.6% of the peaks were not coupled to somatic APs.

      Although this number could seem low, we emphasize that most of the 92.4% of the dendritic peaks coupled to APs potentially reflect the backpropagation of the same somatic events to multiple dendritic sites. To confirm this, we performed an additional analysis measuring the spatial extent (number of branches involved) of the individual dendritic events. We found that 90% of the events remained local, restricted to a few dendritic branches, while 10% of the events were global, associated with BAPs and involving the majority of the dendritic tree. Interestingly, these global events dominate the PCA analysis and are responsible for >90% of the dendritic Vm peaks. These results are included in a new panel in Figure 4H.

      We conclude that, “this way, although only 10% of the dendritic Vm events were associated with bAPs, they were ~60-times larger than local events and they dominated the PCA analysis even in the presence of local regenerative dendritic events driven by strong, functionally clustered synaptic inputs.” We believe that this model and analysis could serve as an important benchmark for future experimental studies investigating the structure of membrane potential correlations in in vivo voltage imaging data (Lee et al., 2026).

      (4) One suggestion would be to display more data as shown in Figure 4F, with a longer X axis to clarify the temporal relationship between local dendritic spikes and the first somatic action potential.

      We added a few more examples including the CSBs presented in Fig8G-I as a new supplementary Figure S4. We also slightly extended the x-axis on this supplementary figure as the reviewer requested.

      If the models indicate that passively filtered EPSPs drive most somatic action potentials, as seems to be the case in Figure 5, then this would also be helpful to show as in Figure 4F.

      In Fig 5 we showed two examples of isolated APs. The first AP was indeed driven by passively filtered EPSPs. The second one was preceded and possibly caused by a dendritic spike, as highlighted by the black arrowhead labelled c in Fig. 5Cc. We further analysed the currents driving iAPs in Fig 7B and C, and found that there is considerable heterogeneity in the magnitude of the dendritic Na currents driving the soma before action potentials. Figure 8 and Figure S3 (now Fig. S5) show further examples for iAPs driven either by passively filtered EPSPs or dendritic spikes. We also included these examples in the new supplementary Figure S4.

      (5) Another suggestion would be to use one-hot vectors containing onset times of different event types, since this would divorce the amplitude/duration of events from their influence over total variance.

      In this paper our goal was to illustrate the ability of the extended currentscape method to reveal the origin of the axial currents driving neuronal activity. In Fig. 4, our primary intention was to characterize the membrane potential response of the model in a way that is easily comparable with experimental data. To further quantify the frequency of local events, we added a new panel showing the spatial extent of dendritic events (Fig. 4H). To make our model more comparable with recent publications, we also calculated two additional metrics used to evaluate the relationship between somatic and dendritic activity (Fig 4I-J). We hope that these additional analyses help the reader to characterize the prevalence and impact of local dendritic events on somatic activity.

      (6) From section "Input conditions for complex spike burst generation", paragraph 2: "Note that synapse density, the ion channel mechanisms and the input statistics are identical for tuft and oblique branches,...". The authors should justify this parameterization given the numerous known differences between tuft and oblique branches in both of these regards and acknowledge accompanying interpretational caveats.

      We agree with the reviewer that experimental data demonstrated several significant differences between the tuft and oblique branches regarding both the inputs they receive and the way they process it. However, in the present paper we chose not to include these differences for several reasons:

      Here we aimed to focus on the abilities of the dendritic currentscape methods and use CSBs as a case study to illustrate how dendritic currentscape can reveal the membrane currents underlying complex neuronal responses.

      Currently there is no CA1PN model that would be able to reproduce all data regarding tuft and oblique integration and would be able to fire calcium spikes. We only wanted to make minimal modifications to the existing CA1PN model to make it capable of generating Ca-spikes and CSBs. We are currently working towards developing and extensively testing a new model, examining the role of these regional differences in CSB generation.

      Although there is information regarding input statistics and dendritic physiology in the literature, many of the relevant parameters are underconstrained. We wanted to avoid overfitting by keeping the model simple.

      By maintaining identical inputs and ion channel distribution we can distinctly highlight the special role of tuft morphology in CSB generation. Altering the inputs or the ion channel density for the tuft would make the interpretation more ambiguous, and elucidating the specific role of the different factors in CSB generation is the subject of future investigations.

      In sum, although we acknowledge that our model does not reflect the full complexity of CA1 PNs and its inputs, we regard this simplicity as a useful feature of the model. We added a section discussing potential future extensions of the model and highlighting interpretational caveats in the discussion (lines 482-490).

      (7) Given the debate in the field regarding the level of functional autonomy present in dendrites, the authors' finding that dendritic voltage largely tracks that of the soma (though see concern above re: PCA), and their access to specific currents, the authors have an important opportunity investigate the divergence between Ca2+ and voltage sensors as reporters of dendritic activity.

      For instance, why have some studies reported relatively common isolated dendritic Ca2+ transients in CA1 pyramidal neurons while other studies, including voltage imaging studies, have reported the opposite?

      We thank the Reviewer for the opportunity to highlight a few important points regarding functional autonomy of dendrites based on the analysis of our model. We would like to first note that only parallel calcium and voltage imaging studies will be able to ultimately resolve this debate. Nevertheless, below we briefly summarize our take on this issue.

      (1) In general, most Ca2+ imaging studies found that soma-independent dendritic events are rare. "Isolated dendritic transients (no coincident somatic event; see fig. S6, C and D, for example) were overall rare. Isolated apical dendritic Ca2+ transients, which have not previously been reported in CA1PNs, were larger and more frequent than those observed in basal dendrites." (O’Hare et al., 2022). "Activity in the ... basal dendrites ... along the track but outside of the place field was rarely observed” (Sheffield and Dombeck, 2014) and “overall, isolated dendritic transients were similar in size but occurred far less frequently than coincident dendrite-soma transients”, or “data indicate that spatially reliable dendritic firing was almost exclusively yoked to somatic tuning, likely reflecting strong backpropagation of burst firing during traversals of the somatic PF” (Rolotti et al., 2022). Consistent with this observation, a dendritic Vm peak chosen randomly from any branch has ~93% probability to be related to a bAP in our model. However, it is also true that ~90% of events in the model are local events, simply because isolated events involve ~60-times fewer branches (1.8 on average) than events associated with bAPs (114 branches) in the model. If the spatial extent of typical local events are also similarly small in real neurons as in the model, then even rare occurrences of dendritic events may reveal substantial dendritic independence. We added a section quantifying the functional autonomy of dendrites in the model in the main text, around Fig 4H.

      (2) Ca2+ indicators are slower and nonlinear and thus they are somewhat unreliable reporters of dendritic voltage events, especially in distal dendrites (Wu et al., 2026; Gonzalez et al., 2026). To illustrate this, we calculated three metrics in our model that were also reported in recent dendritic Ca2+ imaging studies (Rolotti et al., 2022, Sheffield et al., 2014, 2017). First, we calculated the fraction of bAPs detected in a branch (called dendrite-soma coupling in Rolotti et al., 2022, see their Fig. 2C) as a function of the distance of the branch from the soma (our new Fig. 4I). In the Ca2+ imaging data, this was essentially constant ~30% between distances 5-100 µm from the soma. In contrast, the fraction of bAPs detected in the model was 100% in this range as bAPs propagation failures did not occur before µ100 µm. This is also consistent with a recent voltage imaging study showing that even low-transmission bAPs reliably propagate to the proximal dendrites (Lee et al., 2026, Fig 3G). The low and distance independent dendrite-soma coupling reported by Rolotti et al. can only be reconciled with the known biophysics of neurons if the recorded calcium signal is unreliable reporter of the underlying voltage. Indeed, it has been reported that Ca signals associated with bAPs can be absent in some dendritic branches (Landau et al., 2022) or that local, nonlinear Ca signals can appear in the absence of local regenerative voltage response (Weber et al., 2016, Tran-Van-Minh et al., 2016) and that the Ca signals are highly variable across cells (Eltes et al., 2019).

      Second, we calculated the fraction of local events as a function of the distance from the soma (our Fig 4J; see also Fig. 2F in Rolotti et al.). When averaged across all branches, this was somewhat lower in the model (18%) than in the data (38%) which, again, could be explained by the low reliability of detecting global voltage events in all compartments based on the calcium signal.

      Third, the range of branch-spike-prevalence (BSP) values in our model (0.5-0.9; Fig. 4H) seem consistent with that reported (0.4-0.8) at first (Fig 4C of Sheffield et al., 2014; Fig 2 of Sheffield et al., 2017). However, we note that there are several important differences: for technical reasons, Sheffield et al. reported BSP for place field traversals and not for individual events, and they measured Ca2+ dynamics in the basal dendrites. Since bAPs are almost always present in all basal dendrites in the model (basal BSP > 0.9 for all events with somatic spikes) and place field traversals were always accompanied by somatic APs, BSP for basal dendrites would be nearly 1 in the model. Thus, the lower BSP values reported by Sheffield et al. could be explained by the limited reliability of the Ca2+ indicators in reporting regenerative voltage events in neuronal processes.

      We briefly discussed these differences in the Discussion (lines 474-478).

      (3) Finally, to our knowledge, there are 3 relevant in vivo voltage imaging studies in CA1 PNs. Liao et al., 2024 found that in induced place cells the tuning of dendritic events (presumably local or back-propagating Na-spike) was similar to the somatic tuning, which is consistent with our model where dendritic activity and tuning is dominated by bAPs. However, they did not acquire simultaneous signals from the dendrites and the soma so they could not study the independence of the dendritic events. Lee et al. (2026) found that only 10% of the dendritic events are not associated with a somatic spike, which is lower than the number of independent events in the model. However, the events they found were generated in the distal apical trunk (their Fig 3D) and they could not record from the most distal branches where most of the isolated events were generated in our model. Gonzalez et al., 2026 measured voltage and calcium in selected locations within the dendritic tree, and could not reliably estimate the fraction of isolated events throughout the cell. (Gonzalez et al, 2024 measured voltage only in single spines and soma, but did not quantify independent dendritic events; Wong-Campos et al., 2023 measured dendritic integration and bAPs in L23 branches; Wu et al. 2026 recorded in CA2 neurons.)

      We added a paragraph in the discussion comparing the level of functional autonomy present in the model dendrites to recent Ca- and voltage-imaging studies (lines 467-474).

      Minor concerns:

      (1) Abstract:

      There is a need to explain what currentscape is - even at the cost of not invoking its name. To a reader not familiar with currentscape, the abstract is extremely difficult to understand.

      We reworded the title and the abstract to make them more accessible to readers not familiar with the term currentscape.

      (2) "Currentscape analysis of place field dynamics" section:

      It would be helpful to emphasize upfront that dendritic determinants of individual somatic APs versus CSBs will be discussed separately. Since somatic action potentials are discussed before CSBs, I found this section initially confusing as I attributed those findings to CSBs until reading the next paragraph.

      We added a sentence to clarify that we analysed subthreshold responses, APs and CSBs separately.

      (3) Bottom of p2 discussing mixed literature on what drives CSBs in CA1 PCs:

      Overall accurate and useful point, but an important nuance is glossed over which misportrays state of field. References ex vivo studies that fail to drive CSBs with somatic current injection and in vivo study successfully doing so. These aren't really conflicting results. In vivo current injection co-occurs with spontaneous synaptic input, which is high in CA1 and results in PCs that are significantly depolarized at rest relative to those in acute slices. Bittner 2017 ex vivo results are consistent with this: CSBs driven by Cs+-based internal solution to block K+ channels (partially, using strategy of purposefully high series resistance). Similar situation in vivo given that A-type K+ channels are inactivated by depol. Resulting increase in input resistance lowers input threshold to CSB. This is clarified in Results, p.5: "Under in vivo-like synaptic input conditions (see below and Methods), dendritic Ca2+-spikes could also be evoked by somatic current injection (Fig. S1E), as in Bittner et al. (2015).", which makes p. 2 feel especially awkward.

      We agree with the Reviewer that these are not necessarily conflicting results. We rephrased this section, emphasizing that the role of the different input pathways in the initiation of CSBs are not clear.

      (4) Abbreviating "pyramidal neuron" with PC is confusing:

      PC often means place cell. The authors could change this, such that PC refers to "pyramidal cell", or else use PN as an abbreviation. It is important to avoid confusion, especially because place cell dynamics feature prominently in the manuscript.

      Thanks for the suggestion. We replaced PC with PN throughout the manuscript.

      (5) Only apical dendritic parameters are described in section 2 of Results, but the full morphology is shown in Figure 3B with basal currents shown in panels C and F. Some clarification is needed - either what currents were considered for basal dendrites and why, or else why basal dendritic current parameters were not considered for this simulation using apical dendritic current injection but nonetheless examining basal dendritic currents.

      We clarified in the text that the original model contained a standard set of Na and K channels (line 178).

      (6) Clarify "i" and "s" in the Figure 3C legend - "intrinsic" and "synaptic" white letterings are small/hard to see in the bottom subpanels.

      We now spell out intrinsic and synaptic in the Figure and increased the contrast of the letterings.

      (7) Regarding the computational benefit of recursively decomposing axial currents along an adaptively truncated acyclic graph, it would be useful to (a) include a supplemental figure benchmarking this approach to standard approaches to quantify the described gain in computational efficiency and (b) describe computing hardware in the Methods.

      We included an estimated benefit of the pruning process (line 758) as well as the utilised computing hardware and the simulation times in the Methods (line 776).

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      The manuscript is in great shape, it is well organized, and the figures are gorgeous. I believe that the extended currentscape is a great extension of the original currentscape method. In particular, the possibility of partitioning currents by the spatial location of their sources is a great addition. 
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      Recommendations:

      (1) The method is applied in the context of an interesting case study that highlights its usefulness. However, the model in the study is so complex that it is difficult to develop an intuition of how currents should be flowing, and this makes it hard to intuitively validate the visualization method. I think that applying the extended currentscape in a simpler model - maybe a soma with a dendrite with two branches, fewer compartments - would be instrumental in developing this intuition. 
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      We now first use a simple model with a soma and a dendrite with two branches to introduce the concepts in Figure 2 and provide a few examples where the reader can compare the results with their own intuition in simpler cases. We also added the currentscape analysis of a standard, two-compartmental model from Pinsky and Rinzel, 1994 as Supplementary Figure 1.

      (2) I found a number of typos and minor stylistic details you may want to fix in a revised version of the manuscript.

      (a) Abstractine, line 12. I believe the word "recursive" is a bit technical at this point. It's meaning in this context becomes clear after ones goes through the details of the algorithm (Figure 2). 
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      We replaced the word “recursive” with “iterative”. We hope that this will make the abstract clearer for the readers. In fact, we realized that the word iterative is a better description of the algorithm, so we replaced the “recursive” with “iterative” consistently throughout the manuscript.

      (b) Figure 1, caption."Since we included the capacitive current, the magnitude of the inward and the outward currents is identical (Kirchhoff's law)."This sentence can be confusing. If the inward and outward currents are the same, the membrane potential doesn't change. I believe that you are including the capacitive current in the inward (or outward) currents.

      Indeed, we included the capacitive current in the inward or outward currents. We changed the text to clarify this.

      (c) Lines 92-93. I do not fully understand this sentence. Are you making an assumption? What does 'continuos flow of axial current' mean?
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      By ‘continuous flow of axial current’ we meant a spatially continuous stream of axial currents flowing from the reference to the target. To clarify this, we added the explanatory sentence: “i.e., if the axial current is not blocked or reversed between the reference and the target.”

      (d) Equation (1.) Why summing axial currents over j? Is this for the case of a branching point?

      The compartment could be 1) part of a continuous segment of dendritic branch, where axial currents can flow from the distal and the proximal direction (sum over 2); 2) It can be a branch point with 3 axial currents; 3) or it can be a leaf compartment with only one axial current, in which case the summation is not relevant. We clarified this in the text.

      (e) Figure 2, caption. Typo. "When the axial currents flows…" Should it be 'current'? - Figure 3, caption. Typo in (C) "Extended currentscape" 
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      Corrected.

      (f) Figure 4. I cannot see the grey lines or the dotted lines mentioned in the caption. 
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      We added an arrow highlighting the gray and the dotted lines in the figure.

      (g) Figure 5, caption. "Red boxes highlight regions analyzed in panels B-D."Because this is a spatially extended model, region may be confused with spatial location, but you are highlighting a temporal interval.
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      We rephrased the caption referring to temporal intervals now.

      (h) Line 341. This is a numerical experiment, correct? 
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      We clarified in the text and added that it was indeed a simulation experiment.

      (i) Line 349. Should it be 'distributions'? 
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      Corrected

      (j) Line 422. Typo. Missing space 'in vivousing'
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      Corrected

      (k) Line 537. "Preprocessing membrane…" I found this entire subsection a bit confusing and hard to read.

      We rephrased this subsection to clarify it and facilitate reading.

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    1. eLife Assessment

      This important study reports characterisation of hepatocyte molecular pathways affected by a glycyrrhizin derivative in both in vivo and in vitro mouse models of alcohol-associated liver disease. The authors show convincing evidence indicating that IPP delta isomerase 1 (Idi1) is an intermediate in these pharmacological effects, via the binding of the glycyrrhizin derivative to an upstream regulator of Idi1, HSD11B1, although significant questions remain about some of the experiments and analyses provided. The findings would be of interest to immunologists and pharmacologists interested in liver inflammation and its amelioration.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this article by Xiao et al. the authors aimed to identify the precise targets by which magnesium isoglycyrrhizinate (MgIG) functions to improve liver injury in response to ethanol treatment. The authors found through a series of in-vivo and molecular approaches that MgIG treatment attenuates alcohol-induced liver injury through a potential SREBP2-IdI1 axis. The revised manuscript adds to a previous set of literature showing MgIG improves liver function across a variety of etiologies, and also provides mechanistic insight into its mechanism of action. All major weaknesses were addressed in the revised submission.

      Strengths:

      (1) The authors use a combination of approaches from both in-vivo mouse models to in-vitro approaches with AML12 hepatocytes to support the notion that MgIG does improve liver function in response to ethanol treatment.

      (2) The authors use both knockdown and overexpression approaches, in-vivo and in-vitro, to support most of the claims provided.

      (3) Identification of HSD11B1 as the protein target of MgIG, as well as confirmation of direct protein-protein interactions between HSD11B1/SREBP2/IDI1 is novel.

      Weaknesses:

      The authors addressed all my concerns.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, the authors investigated magnesium isoglycyrrhizinate (MgIG)'s hepatoprotective actions in chronic-binge alcohol-associated liver disease (ALD) mouse models and ethanol/palmitic acid-challenged AML-12 hepatocytes. They found that MgIG markedly attenuated alcohol-induced liver injury, evidenced by ameliorated histological damage, reduced hepatic steatosis, and normalized liver-to-body weight ratios. RNA sequencing identified isopentenyl diphosphate delta isomerase 1 (IDI1) as a key downstream effector. Hepatocyte-specific genetic manipulations confirmed that MgIG modulates the SREBP2-IDI1 axis. The mechanistic studies suggested that MgIG could directly target HSD11B1 and modulate the HSD11B1-SREBP2-IDI1 axis to attenuate ALD. This manuscript is of interest to the research field of ALD.

      Strengths:

      The authors have performed both in vivo and in vitro studies to demonstrate the action of magnesium isoglycyrrhizinate on hepatocytes and an animal model of alcohol-associated liver disease.

      Original comment (1):

      In Supplemental Figure 1A, all the treatment arms (A-control, MgIG-25 mg/kg, MgIG-50 mg/kg) showed body weight loss compared to the untreated controls. However, Figure 1E showed body weight gain in the treatment arms (A-control and MgIG-25 mg/kg), why? In Supplemental Figure 1A, the mice with MgIG (25 mg/kg) showed the lowest body weight, compared to either A-control or MgIG (50 mg/kg) treatment. Can the authors explain why MgIG (25 mg/kg) causes bodyweight loss more than MgIG (50 mg/kg)? What about the other parameters (ALT, ALS, NAS, etc.) for the mice with MgIG (50 mg/kg)?

      Author's response:

      We agree that this observation does not strictly follow a dose-dependent pattern. In vivo responses to pharmacological interventions, particularly in metabolic and liver disease models, are not always linear. The relatively greater body weight reduction observed in the 25 mg/kg group may be influenced by inter-individual variability, differences in metabolic adaptation, or sample size-related variation. Importantly, these differences in body weight were not statistically significant. Therefore, we selected the 50 mg/kg dose for subsequent animal experiments, as it demonstrated more consistent and stable improvements across multiple parameters, including body weight, ALT, AST, TG, and TC.

      New comment:

      My first question: All the treatment arms (A-control, MgIG-25 mg/kg, MgIG-50 mg/kg) showed significant body weight loss compared to the untreated controls (Supplemental Figure 1A), but the body weight significantly increased in the treatment arms (A-control and MgIG-50 mg/kg) compared to the untreated controls (Figure 1E). Why?

      My second question: Mice with MgIG (25 mg/kg) showed the lowest body weight, compared to either A-control or MgIG (50 mg/kg) treatment. According to the authors' explanation, the MgIG (25 mg/kg) caused bodyweight loss are attributed to inter-individual variability, differences in metabolic adaptation, or sample size-related variation. Did these differences happen in MgIG (25 mg/kg) only? or in all other groups? The mouse group assignment should be randomized; however, a large variation in bodyweight was seen in MgIG (25 mg/kg) group. It is not convincing for the author to select MgIG (50 mg/kg) group for subsequent animal experiments, because of a large variation in MgIG (25 mg/kg) group, and because that MgIG (50 mg/kg) group demonstrated more consistent and stable improvements across multiple parameters. The author should reanalyze and compare all the raw data between MgIG (50 mg/kg) group and MgIG (25 mg/kg) group, and address the issues being pointed out and justify rationale for the animal group assignment.

      Original comment (2):

      IL-6 is a key pro-inflammatory cytokine significantly involved in ALD, acting as a marker of ALD severity. Can the authors explain why MgIG 1.0 mg/ml shows higher IL-6 gene expression than MgIG (0.1-0.5 mg/ml)? Same question for the mRNA levels of lipid metabolic enzymes Acc1 and Scd1.

      Author's response:

      Thank you for this important comment. We agree that IL-6, as well as lipid metabolism-related genes such as Acc1 and Scd1, are key indicators in ALD. The relatively higher expression observed at 1.0 mg/mL MgIG compared to lower concentrations (0.1-0.5 mg/mL) may be related to experimental constraints associated with the MgIG formulation used in this study. Specifically, to maintain consistency with our in vivo experiments, we used a clinically available liquid formulation of MgIG (5 mg/mL), which is approved for intravenous administration in China. Due to its relatively low stock concentration, achieving higher working concentrations (e.g., 1.0 mg/mL) in vitro required a larger volume of the MgIG solution, thereby proportionally reducing the volume of culture medium. This reduction in effective culture conditions may adversely affect hepatocyte viability and function. Supporting this, our CCK-8 and LDH assays indicated that higher MgIG concentrations were associated with subtle cytotoxicity or impaired cell status.

      New comment:

      The author's response did not answer my question. If the authors believe it could be experimental constraints associated with the MgIG formulation, then it is questionable for this MgIG formulation used in all other associated experiments. The experiments, at least those the MgIG formulation associated experiments, need to be repeated.

      Original comment (3):

      For the qPCR results of Hsd11b1 knockdown (siRNA) and Hsd11b1 overexpression (plasmid) in AML-12 cells (Figure 5B), what is the description for the gene expression level (Y axis)? Fold changes versus GAPDH? Hsd11b1 overexpression showed non-efficiency (20-23, units on Y axis), even lower than the Hsd11b1 knockdown (above 50, units on Y axis). The authors need to explain this. For the plasmid-based Hsd11b1 overexpression, why does the scramble control inhibit Hsd11b1 gene expression (less than 2, units on the Y axis)? Again, this needs to be explained.

      Author's response:

      Thank you for this important comment, and we apologize for the lack of clarity in the Y-axis labeling, which may have led to misunderstanding.

      As shown in Figures 5A and 5B, we have revised the Y-axis description to clearly indicate that gene expression levels are presented as relative expression normalized to GAPDH (fold change relative to the control group).

      New comment:

      The author explained the relative expression was normalized to GAPDH (fold change), but they did not answer my question. My question is for Figure 5B. in Figure 5B (left, Hsd11b1-KD), scramble control showed over 100 (unit), however, in Figure 5B (right, Hsd11b1-OE), scramble control showed only 0.5-1 (unit). The data seemed that authors used same scramble control for both KD and OE? If yes, they should provide more details of the KD and OE experiments and explain why this happened. If they used plasmid for OE control, they also need to clarify it. In addition, qPCR is not a good assay to show the success of KD or OE, Western blotting should be done as convincing data to show the success of KD or OE.

    4. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      (1) A few of the claims made are not supported by the references provided. For instance, line 76 states MgIG has hepatoprotective properties and improved liver function, but the reference provided is in the context of myocardial fibrosis.

      Thank you for the correction. We have made the revision on page 4, line74.

      (2) MgIG is clinically used for the treatment of liver inflammatory disease in China and Japan. In the first line of the abstract, the authors noted that MgIG is clinically approved for ALD. In which countries is MgIG approved for clinical utility in this space?

      Thank you for this important comment. MgIG has been recommended for the treatment of alcoholic liver disease (ALD) in Chinese clinical guidelines (2018). We have clarified this point in the manuscript (Page 5, Line 79-80).

      (3) Serum TGs are not an indicator of liver function. Alterations in serum TGs can occur despite changes in liver function.

      Thank you for this important comment. We fully agree that serum triglycerides (TGs) are not a direct indicator of liver function. ALT and AST are more appropriate markers for hepatocellular injury, whereas TG and TC primarily reflect systemic and hepatic lipid metabolism status. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 12, lines 285-288

      (4) There are discrepancies in the results section and the figure legends. For example, line 302 states Idil is upregulated in alcohol fed mice relative to the control group. The figure legend states that the comparison for Figure 2A is that of ALD+MgIG and ALD only.

      We thank the reviewer for the valuable suggestion. Accordingly, we have revised the legend for Figures 2A and 2B as suggested.

      (5) Oil Red O staining provided does not appear to be consistent with the quantification in Figure 1D. ORO is nonspecific and can be highly subjective. The representative image in Figure 1C appears to have a much greater than 30% ORO (+) area.

      Thank you for this insightful comment. We acknowledge that Oil Red O (ORO) staining can be influenced by background signal and may appear subjective in representative images. In our quantification, only well-defined lipid droplets with strong positive staining were included, while diffuse background staining (e.g., light reddish hue) was excluded. This may explain the apparent discrepancy between the representative image and the quantified ORO-positive area. To further strengthen the reliability of our findings, we additionally measured hepatic triglyceride (TG) and total cholesterol (TC) levels. These biochemical assays yielded results consistent with the ORO quantification, thereby supporting our conclusion regarding lipid accumulation. Please refer to page12, lines 285-288. As requested, we have added the required information to Figures 1G.

      (6) The connection between Idil expression in response to EtOH/PA treatment in AML12 cells with viability and apoptosis isn't entirely clear. MgIG treatment completely reduces Idi1 expression in response to EtOH/PA, but only moderate changes, at best, are observed in viability and apoptosis. This suggests the primary mechanism related to MgIG treatment may not be via Idi1.

      Thank you very much. We agree that although MgIG almost completely reverses Idi1 expression induced by EtOH/PA, the improvements in cell viability and apoptosis are only moderate, suggesting a potential discrepancy between these observations. This may indicate that Idi1 functions as a permissive factor, rather than the sole mediator, in this pathological process. In other words, while modulation of Idi1 contributes to the protective effects of MgIG, additional pathways are likely involved in mediating its overall impact on hepatocyte viability and apoptosis. We have clarified this point in the revised manuscript (Page 12, Lines 325–335), stating that MgIG exerts its protective effects against ethanol-induced hepatocellular injury, at least in part, through the regulation of Idi1.

      (7) The nile red stained images also do not appear representative with its quantification. Several claims about more or less lipid accumulation across these studies are not supported by clear differences in nile red.

      Thanks a lot. We acknowledge that Nile Red staining can be influenced by imaging conditions and may appear less distinct in representative images, which could affect visual interpretation. To minimize subjectivity, all images were analyzed using a consistent and standardized thresholding method across groups. We agree that the visual differences in Nile Red staining alone may not be sufficiently pronounced to fully support the quantitative conclusions. Therefore, to strengthen the reliability of our findings, we have included additional biochemical measurements, including serum TG and TC levels, as well as hepatic TG and TC content. These independent assays consistently support the observed changes in lipid accumulation. The corresponding data have been added to the revised manuscript (page 12, lines 285-288)

      (8) The authors make a comment that Hsd11b1 expression is quite low in AML12 cells. So why did the authors choose to knockdown Hsd11b1 in this model?

      Thank you for this important comment. Although the basal expression of Hsd11b1 in untreated AML-12 cells is relatively low, we observed that it is inducible upon EtOH/PA stimulation, indicating its functional relevance under stress conditions. Therefore, knockdown experiments were performed to assess its contribution to EtOH/PA-induced hepatocellular injury. We have clarified this point in the revised manuscript (page 15, lines 281-382).

      (9) Line 380 - the claim that MGIG weakens the interaction between HSD11b1 and SREBP2 cannot be made solely based on one Western blot.

      Thank you for this important comment. We agree that the conclusion that MgIG weakens the interaction between HSD11B1 and SREBP2 should not be based solely on a single co-IP/Western blot experiment. In the revised manuscript, we have therefore toned down this statement to more appropriately reflect the data. Specifically, we now describe this result as a preliminary observation suggesting a potential modulation of the interaction, rather than a definitive conclusion. Please refer to Page 15, line 391.

      (10) It's not clear what the numbers represent on top of the Western blots. Are these averages over the course of three independent experiments?

      Thank you for this helpful comment. We apologize for the lack of clarity in the original figure presentation. The numbers shown above the Western blot bands represent the densitometric quantification of protein expression normalized to GAPDH, calculated from three independent experiments. However, this information was not clearly specified in the original figure, which may have led to confusion. To address this concern, we have now revised the manuscript by explicitly clarifying the meaning of these values in the figure legends. In addition, we have added bar graphs showing the quantified results from three independent experiments for Figures S3A, S4D, S6B, and S8H to improve transparency and data presentation.

      (11) The claim in line 382 that knockdown of Hsd11b1 resulted in accumulation of pSREBP2 is not supported by the data provided in Figure 6D.

      Thank you for pointing out this issue. We sincerely apologize for the incorrect description in the original manuscript. This was a wording error. We have made the revision on page 15, line394-396.

      (12) None of the images provided in Figure 6E support the claims stated in the results. Activation of SREBP2 leads to nuclear translocation and subsequent induction of genes involved in cholesterol biosynthesis and uptake. Manipulation of Hsd11b1 via OE or KD does not show any nuclear localization with DAPI.

      Thank you for this important comment. We agree that the original description was not sufficiently clear, which may have led to misunderstanding of the results. To clarify, Figure 6E includes two experimental contexts. Under basal (physiological) conditions in AML-12 cells, manipulation of Hsd11b1 (overexpression or knockdown) does not significantly affect the subcellular distribution of SREBP2. However, under EtOH/PA-induced stress conditions, Hsd11b1 overexpression promotes both nuclear and cytoplasmic levels of SREBP2, whereas Hsd11b1 knockdown reduces SREBP2 expression in both compartments. We have made the revision on page 16, line399.

      (13) The entire manuscript is focused on this axis of MgIG-Hsd11b1-Srebp2, but no Srebp2 transcriptional targets are ever measured.

      We sincerely appreciate this great suggestion. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 12, lines 285-288, line 292 by adding the mRNA changes of Lcn2 and Ldlr, which are SREBP2 target genes. As requested, we have added the required information to Figures 1F and 1H.

      (14) Acc1 and Scd1 are Srebp1 targets, not Srebp2.

      Thank you for this important comment. We agree that Acc1 and Scd1 are well-established downstream target genes of SREBP1 rather than SREBP2. To better support our proposed SREBP2-related mechanism, we further examined canonical SREBP2 downstream target genes, including Lcn2 and Ldlr. The results are consistent with activation of SREBP2 signaling in our model. These data have now been included in the revised manuscript (Page 12, Lines 285–288 and 292; Figures 1F and 1H).

      (15) A major weakness of this manuscript is the lack of studies providing quantitative assessments of Srebp2 activation and true liver lipid measurements.

      Thank you for this important comment. We acknowledge the concern regarding the lack of direct quantitative assessment of SREBP2 activation in the original version of the manuscript. To address this limitation, we have strengthened the evidence supporting SREBP2 activation using multiple complementary approaches. Specifically, we assessed the expression of canonical SREBP2 downstream target genes (Page 12, Lines 285–288 and 292; Figures 1F and 1H), together with Western blot analysis (Figure 6D) and immunofluorescence staining (Figure 6F), which collectively support activation of SREBP2 signaling in the EtOH/PA-induced ALD model.

      In addition, to provide a more comprehensive evaluation of hepatic lipid accumulation, we measured serum TG and TC levels, as well as hepatic TG and TC content. These biochemical analyses further confirm the presence of significant lipid accumulation in our model. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 12, lines 285-288 (Figure 1G).

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      (1) In Supplemental Figure 1A, all the treatment arms (A-control, MgIG-25 mg/kg, MgIG-50 mg/kg) showed body weight loss compared to the untreated controls. However, Figure 1E showed body weight gain in the treatment arms (A-control and MgIG-25 mg/kg), why? In Supplemental Figure 1A, the mice with MgIG (25 mg/kg) showed the lowest body weight, compared to either A-control or MgIG (50 mg/kg) treatment. Can the authors explain why MgIG (25 mg/kg) causes bodyweight loss more than MgIG (50 mg/kg)? What about the other parameters (ALT, ALS, NAS, etc.) for the mice with MgIG (50 mg/kg)?

      We agree that this observation does not strictly follow a dose-dependent pattern. In vivo responses to pharmacological interventions, particularly in metabolic and liver disease models, are not always linear. The relatively greater body weight reduction observed in the 25 mg/kg group may be influenced by inter-individual variability, differences in metabolic adaptation, or sample size–related variation. Importantly, these differences in body weight were not statistically significant. Therefore, we selected the 50 mg/kg dose for subsequent animal experiments, as it demonstrated more consistent and stable improvements across multiple parameters, including body weight, ALT, AST, TG, and TC.

      (2) IL-6 is a key pro-inflammatory cytokine significantly involved in ALD, acting as a marker of ALD severity. Can the authors explain why MgIG 1.0 mg/ml shows higher IL-6 gene expression than MgIG (0.1-0.5 mg/ml)? Same question for the mRNA levels of lipid metabolic enzymes Acc1 and Scd1.

      Thank you for this important comment. We agree that IL-6, as well as lipid metabolism–related genes such as Acc1 and Scd1, are key indicators in ALD. The relatively higher expression observed at 1.0 mg/mL MgIG compared to lower concentrations (0.1–0.5 mg/mL) may be related to experimental constraints associated with the MgIG formulation used in this study.

      Specifically, to maintain consistency with our in vivo experiments, we used a clinically available liquid formulation of MgIG (5 mg/mL), which is approved for intravenous administration in China. Due to its relatively low stock concentration, achieving higher working concentrations (e.g., 1.0 mg/mL) in vitro required a larger volume of the MgIG solution, thereby proportionally reducing the volume of culture medium. This reduction in effective culture conditions may adversely affect hepatocyte viability and function.

      Supporting this, our CCK-8 and LDH assays indicated that higher MgIG concentrations were associated with subtle cytotoxicity or impaired cell status.

      (3) For the qPCR results of Hsd11b1 knockdown (siRNA) and Hsd11b1 overexpression (plasmid) in AML-12 cells (Figure 5B), what is the description for the gene expression level (Y axis)? Fold changes versus GAPDH? Hsd11b1 overexpression showed non-efficiency (20-23, units on Y axis), even lower than the Hsd11b1 knockdown (above 50, units on Y axis). The authors need to explain this. For the plasmid-based Hsd11b1 overexpression, why does the scramble control inhibit Hsd11b1 gene expression (less than 2, units on the Y axis)? Again, this needs to be explained.

      Thank you for this important comment, and we apologize for the lack of clarity in the Y-axis labeling, which may have led to misunderstanding.

      As shown in Figures 5A and 5B, we have revised the Y-axis description to clearly indicate that gene expression levels are presented as relative expression normalized to GAPDH (fold change relative to the control group).

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Use terms that show directionality to help the readers comprehend the data. For instance, Line 295 states MgIG treatment also modulated the expression.... In reality, MgIG treatment reduced the expression of those genes relative to ethanol-fed control mice.

      Thank you very much for this precious suggestion. We have thoroughly revised this part as ‘In line with the observed histological and physiological improvements, MgIG treatment also reduced the expression of genes involved in lipid synthesis metabolism (Srebp1, Srebp2, Acc1, and Scd1, Lcn2, and Ldlr), inflammation (Tnf-α and Il-6), and pro-apoptosis (Bax) while restored the level of anti-apoptotic gene (Bcl2) in the liver tissue of EtOH mice (Fig. 1G-1H).’. Please refer to page 12, lines 290-294.

      (2) Oil Red O staining is subjective and nonspecific. The authors make a claim that serum TGs are an indicator of liver function; however, measurement of hepatic TGs would be a better measure here and more consistent with the ORO staining.

      We sincerely appreciate this great suggestion. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 12, lines 285-288 as ‘Notably, significant differences were observed between the EtOH group and the MgIG-treated (EtOH+M) group in serum levels of liver enzymes (ALT and AST), serum lipid parameters (TG and TC), as well as Liver TG and TC contents—-key indicators of liver function and lipid metabolism.’. As requested, we have added the required information to Figures 1G.

      (3) The focus of the paper is on this SREBP2 axis. However, in Figure 1, the authors do not show any SREBP2 target genes. This would be helpful in interpreting SREBP2 activity. Further, hepatic free cholesterol levels would also strengthen these data.

      We sincerely appreciate this great suggestion. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 12, lines 285-288, line 292 by adding the mRNA changes of Lcn2 and Ldlr, which are SREBP2 target genes. As requested, we have added the required information to Figures 1F and 1H.

      (4) Labels showing directionality on the volcano plots in Figures 2A, B would be of great help here. It's unclear which groups are on the left or right.

      Thank you very much! The authors have revised Figures 2A-C as requested. Please refer to the new version of Figures 2A-C.

      (5) Ensure consistency in what is written in the results and the figure legends. See Figure 2 volcano plots for examples. The volcano plot in Figure 2B has no figure legend.

      We thank the reviewer for the valuable suggestion. Accordingly, we have revised the legend for Figures 2B as suggested.

      (6) Ensure consistency in the nomenclature. In some cases, the authors use ALD+MgIG, and in others, they just use MgIG. My recommendation would be to use Ctrl, EtOH, EtOH+M.

      We sincerely appreciate this great suggestion. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 6, lines 111-112, page 11, line 280 and page 12, line 282, 284, 293, 298, 301.

      (7) The gene enrichment analysis in Figure 2C should also include some text about directionality, either in the figure or the figure legend. Upregulated DEGs in the MgIG group? It's unclear.

      We thank the reviewer for the valuable suggestion. Accordingly, we have revised the legend for Figures 2C as suggested.

      (8) The authors should consider shuffling the order of some of the figures for better transitions from one panel to the next. For instance, Figure 3B, C shows cell viability responses before showing the siRNA and OE are effective in knocking down and overexpressing their protein of interest.

      We thank the reviewer for the valuable suggestion. Accordingly, we have revised the legend for Figures 3B and 3C as suggested.

      (9) The authors need to be consistent in the colors that are used in the figures. It's incredibly hard to follow, as presented.

      We appreciate the reviewer's comment regarding color consistency. In response, we have carefully revised all figures to ensure consistent use of colors across the manuscript. The updated versions are shown in Figures 3, 6, and 7.

      (10) For Nile Red staining, multiple images at a lower objective need to be shown and/or cellular triglycerides and cholesterol levels should be quantified.

      We appreciate the reviewer's insightful comment regarding the Nile Red staining. In response, we have quantified triglyceride and total cholesterol levels in the cell supernatant, which are now presented on page 12, line 285-287 and Figures 2F. Furthermore, we have included additional Nile Red staining images at a lower objective in Supplementary Figures 2D, 3B, 4C to better illustrate the lipid droplet distribution.

      (11) Line 362 refers to Figure 4 when it should refer to Figure 5.

      Thank you very much! The authors have revised on page 14, line 364.

      (12) qPCR should be performed on canonical Srebp2 targets throughout the manuscript to tie in the MgG treatment with changes in sterol sensing and Srebp2.

      Thank you for your valuable suggestion. The results are now included on page 12, lines 292 and 311, and the corresponding data in Figures 1H and 2G have been enhanced accordingly.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) The statement, figure labeling, and figure legend for Figure 1A-C are confused. The MgIG dosing on the X-axis for Figure 2D is missing.

      Thank you for the correction. We have revised this problem. Please refer to the new version of Figure 1A-C and Figure 2D.

      (2) Figure 3E is not well described in the main text and figure legend. What are those numbers on top of the blotting bands? It was guessed that the numbers were the mean for each group. But where is the SD or SE for each group? It is hard to tell the statistical significance without showing SD or SE. The same question applies to Figure 5E, Figure 56C-6D, and Figure 7G.

      We sincerely appreciate this great suggestion. We have made the necessary revisions as suggested on page 13, lines 317-322. As suggested, we have added the required information to Figures S3A, S4D, S6B and S8H.

    1. If someone randomly just walked up to you and started pulling at the injured limb, this unagreed violence would not be considered legitimate. Likewise, when medical practitioners interfere with a patient’s body in a way that is non-consensual or not what the patient agreed to, then the violence is considered illegitimate, or morally bad.

      This specific example, though it may seem obvious, in comparison to the doctor example the idea of consent and "consensual acts of violence" are more common that people know.

    1. For example, you can test a resume filter and find that it isn’t biased against Black people, and it isn’t biased against women. But it might turn out that it is still biased against Black women. This could happen because the filter “fixed” the gender and race bias by over-selecting white women and Black men while under-selecting Black women.

      I think this example explains intersectionality in a very clear and practical way. It shows that discrimination is not always simple or obvious. Even if a system seems fair toward different groups separately, it can still unfairly affect people who belong to multiple marginalized groups at the same time. The resume filter example makes the concept easier to understand and shows why fairness in technology is more complicated than people think.

    2. On social media this is true as well. For example, the last section mentioned the (partially bot-driven) harassment campaign against Meghan Markle and Prince Henry was at least partially driven by Meghan Markle being Black (the same racism shown in the British Press [q11]).

      I think this passage is powerful because it shows that online harassment is not equal for everyone. Some groups, especially minorities and women, are targeted more often because of prejudice and discrimination. Using Meghan Markle as an example makes the idea feel more real and easier to understand. It also reminds people that social media can reflect problems that already exist in society.

    1. Imagine a system where a candidate you support has a much higher chance of being elected to Congress, regardless of their party (especially if they belong to a minor party). The catch is that your representative might live a bit further from your house because of an increase in the size of a district. Would you take this trade? An election system called proportional ranked choice voting (proportional RCV) or single transferable vote gives voters an option to rank candidates running in an election to elect multiple representatives for a single district. This approach was proposed in 2025 by House Representative Donald S. Boyer as a part of the Fair Representation Act, which aims to reform elections for the US House of Representatives.

      Trading off representation further from home for some semblance of representation at all.

      This means that candidates are at-large and can't as easily meet their constituents as easily, at least in person, though in a heavily connected digital media space is this necessary any more?

    2. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court did not find this argument to be persuasive, ruling instead that the question of partisan gerrymandering is “nonjusticiable”—outside their jurisdiction. Subsequent rulings, such as Abbott v. League of United Latin American Citizens, give little hope that the Supreme Court will impede future gerrymandering.

      The Supreme Court in Rucho v. Common Cause (2019) found that Markov chain Monte Carlo sampling wasn't persuasive and found that gerrymandering is "nonjusticable".

    3. A much better mathematical method to detect gerrymandering, known as Markov chain Monte Carlo (MCMC) sampling, has been percolating throughout the research literature, and was brought before the Supreme Court in the 2019 case Rucho v. Common Cause. Although it is not possible to compare a contested map against all possible maps, MCMC uses a computational technique called a “random walk” to generate a representative sample of legal electoral district maps by repeatedly making small arbitrary changes to possible district boundaries. Mathematicians, serving as expert witnesses for the plaintiffs and weighing in as amicus curie, argued that if a specific map is an outlier from the rest of samples in terms of political advantage, it indicates possible gerrymandering. The mathematicians found that maps proposed by the 2012 and 2016 North Carolina legislatures fell at the extreme ends of bell curves generated from MCMC-sampled maps, based on measures such as the number of Democrats elected and the number of Democratic voters in specific districts.

      brief description of Markov chain Monte Carlo sampling with respect to gerrymandering and it's application in the courts so far

    4. A redistricting plan proposed by Republican legislators in Wisconsin in 2011 was overturned by a lower court based in part on the magnitude of the efficiency gap, although this ruling was overturned in 2018 by the US Supreme Court in Gill v. Whitford. In oral arguments, Chief Justice John Roberts dismissed this metric as “sociological gobbledygook.” Roberts’ critique is unfair in substance because the efficiency gap is a mathematical formula, not nonsense. But it is not entirely wrong in spirit. Some mathematicians have argued that these metrics do not accurately reflect “common-sense understanding of political unfairness.”
    5. How can we identify gerrymandered maps if not by sight? Numerical metrics such as the Polsby–Popper test attempt to measure the “compactness” of an electoral district (the ratio of its area to the square of its perimeter), while the efficiency gap calculates the number of “wasted” votes by computing the proportion of votes that are not used to elect a winner.
    6. These techniques are traditionally thought to create weirdly shaped districts, such as the “praying mantis” district in Maryland, the “Goofy kicking Donald Duck” district in Pennsylvania, and the “earmuffs” district in Illinois. But some heavily gerrymandered maps, such as North Carolina’s, look normal to the naked eye.

      Examples of odd shapes made by gerrymandering (or not) as well as a counter-example in North Carolina which doesn't look "odd" despite being heavily gerrymandered.

    7. However, Texas, California, Missouri, North Carolina, and Virginia have recently approved unusual mid-decade redistricting plans in advance of the upcoming US House of Representatives election in November 2026, approving new maps designed to advantage either the Democratic or Republican party. Pending decisions by courts, legislatures, and voters may potentially extend these practices to other states such as Louisiana and Florida.

      States who are actively redistricting or considering it.

      Mississippi should also potentially be on the list with Ohio and Utah for court intervention: https://mississippitoday.org/2026/05/18/legislative-redistricting-mississippi/

    1. eLife Assessment

      This valuable study advances our understanding of how organisms respond to chronic oxidative stress. Using the nematode C. elegans, the authors identified key neuronal signaling molecules and their receptors that are required for stress signaling and survival. The evidence supporting the conclusions is solid, including rigorous genetics, stress response analysis, and transcriptional profiling. This research will be of broad interest to neuroscientists and researchers working in the field of oxidative stress regulation.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      In this paper, Biswas et al. describe the role of acetylcholine (ACh) signaling in protection against chronic oxidative stress in C. elegans. They showed that disruption of ACh signaling in either unc-17 mutant or gar-3 mutants led to sensitivity to toxicity caused by chronic paraquat (PQ) treatment. Using RNA seq, they found that approximately 70% of the genes induced by chronic PQ exposure in wild type failed to upregulate in these mutants. The overexpression of gar-3 selectively in cholinergic neurons was sufficient to promote protection against chronic PQ exposure in an ACh-dependent manner. The study points to a previously undescribed role for ACh signaling in providing organism-wide protection from chronic oxidative stress likely through the transcriptional regulation of numerous oxidative stress-response genes. The paper is well-written, and the data are robust. While the study identifies the muscarinic ACh receptor gar-3 as an important regulator of the response to PQ, the specific neurons in which gar-3 functions were not unambiguously identified, and the sources of ACh that regulate GAR-3 signaling and the identities of the tissues targeted by gar-3 remain unknown.

      Comments on revisions:

      No further comments.

    3. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The researchers aimed to identify which neurotransmitter pathways are required for animals to withstand chronic oxidative stress. This work thus has important implications for disease processes that are caused/linked to oxidative stress. This work identified specific neurotransmitters and receptors that coordinate stress resilience, both prior to and during stress exposure. Further, the authors identified specific transcriptional programs coordinated by neurotransmission that may provide stress resistance.

      Strengths:

      The manuscript is very clearly written with a well-formulated rationale. Standard C. elegans genetic analysis and rescue experiments were performed to identify key regulators of the chronic oxidative stress response. These findings were enhanced by transcriptional profiling that identified differentially expressed genes that likely affect survival when animals are exposed to stress.

      Weaknesses:

      Where the gar-3 promoter drives expression was not discussed in the context of the rescue experiments in Fig 7.

      Comments on revisions:

      This issue has now been appropriately addressed in the revision.

      We thank the reviewer for their time and constructive feedback.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      In this paper, Biswas et al. describe the role of acetylcholine (ACh) signaling in protection against chronic oxidative stress in C. elegans. They showed that disruption of ACh signaling in either unc17 mutant or gar-3 mutants led to sensitivity to toxicity caused by chronic paraquat (PQ) treatment. Using RNA seq, they found that approximately 70% of the genes induced by chronic PQ exposure in wild type failed to upregulate in these mutants. The overexpression of gar-3 selectively in cholinergic neurons was sufficient to promote protection against chronic PQ exposure in an AChdependent manner. The study points to a previously undescribed role for ACh signaling in providing organism-wide protection from chronic oxidative stress likely through the transcriptional regulation of numerous oxidative stress-response genes. The paper is well-written, and the data are robust, though some conclusions seem preliminary and are not fully support the current data (see below). While the study identifies the muscarinic ACh receptor gar-3 as an important regulator of the response to PQ, the specific neurons in which gar-3 functions were not unambiguously identified, and the sources of ACh that regulate GAR-3 signaling and the identities of the tissues targeted by gar-3 were not addressed.

      Comments on revisions:

      The authors addressed my comments adequately in their revised submission. Please include representative images to accompany the quantification of the new results presented in Fig S4A.

      We thank the reviewer for their time and constructive feedback. We now include representative images as requested.

    1. eLife Assessment

      In this valuable study, the authors conducted an impressive amount of atomistic simulations with a glycosylated HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein (Env) trimer in a realistic asymmetric lipid bilayer. The aim was to probe how Env transmembrane domain, cytoplasmic tail, and membrane environment influence ectodomain orientation and antibody epitope exposure. The simulations convincingly show that ectodomain motion is dominated by tilting relative to the membrane and explicitly demonstrate the role of membrane asymmetry in modulating the protein conformation and orientation. Additional analyses of the authors' deposited MD trajectories could serve as invaluable extensions of this work to probe, for example, for exposure of cryptic epitopes and potential allosteric coupling.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In the manuscript "Conformational Variability of HIV-1 Env Trimer and Viral Vulnerability", the authors study the fully glycosylated HIV-1 Env protein using an all-atom forcefield. It combines long all-atom simulations of Env in a realistic asymmetric bilayer with careful data analysis. This work clarifies how the CT domain modulates the overall conformation of the Env ectodomain and characterizes different MPER-TMD conformations. The authors also carefully analyze the accessibility of different antibodies to the Env protein.

      Strengths:

      This paper is state-of-the-art given the scale of the system and the sophistication of the methods. The biological question is important, the methodology is rigorous, and the results will interest a broad elife audience. The authors also establish strong connections to previous literature and acknowledge the limitations of the CT-truncated protein construct, which enhances the manuscript's relevance to the community.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      In this work, the authors elucidate how a viral surface protein behaves in a membrane environment and how its large-scale motions influence the exposure of antibody-binding sites. Using long-timescale, all-atom molecular dynamics simulations of a fully glycosylated, full-length protein embedded in a virus-like membrane, the study systematically examines the coupling between ectodomain motion, transmembrane orientation, membrane interactions, and epitope accessibility. Multiple model variants differing in cleavage state, initial transmembrane configuration, and presence of the cytoplasmic tail are compared to identify general features of protein-membrane dynamics relevant to antibody recognition.

      A major strength of this study is the scope and ambition of the simulations. The authors perform multiple microsecond-scale simulations of a highly complex, biologically realistic system that includes the full ectodomain, transmembrane region, cytoplasmic tail, glycans, and a heterogeneous membrane. The finding that the ectodomain explores a wide range of tilt angles while the transmembrane region remains more constrained, with limited correlation between the two, offers useful conceptual insight into how global motions may be accommodated without large rearrangements at the membrane anchor. The explicit consideration of membrane and glycan steric effects on antibody accessibility further strengthens the study.

      The main limitations relate to sampling and model dependence inherent to simulations of this size and complexity. The analysis of antibody accessibility is based on geometric and steric criteria, which do not capture potential conformational adaptations of antibodies or membrane remodeling during binding; the authors have appropriately noted this as a limitation.

      In the revised manuscript, the authors have addressed all previously raised concerns. Time series plots of the tilt angles have been added, figure captions and visual encodings have been clarified, quantitative descriptions of angular distributions have been strengthened, and the distance metric for MPER exposure is now accompanied by temporal data. The overall presentation is substantially improved, and the conclusions are well supported by the data as presented.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This study uses large-scale all-atom molecular dynamics simulations to examine the conformational plasticity of the HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein glycoprotein (Env) in a membrane context, with particular emphasis on how the transmembrane domain (TMD), cytoplasmic tail (CT), protomer cleavage, and membrane environment influence ectodomain orientation and antibody epitope exposure. By comparing Env constructs with and without the CT, explicitly modeling glycosylation, and embedding Env in an asymmetric lipid bilayer, the authors aim to provide an integrated view of how membrane-proximal regions and lipid interactions shape Env antigenicity, including epitopes targeted by MPER-directed antibodies.

      Strengths:

      The authors have made a genuine effort to address the concerns raised in the first round of review, and the revised manuscript is substantively improved. The addition of dynamical cross-correlation maps, expanded citation of prior computational work, clarification of the membrane composition rationale, data deposition to Zenodo, and the new discussion contextualizing the independence of ectodomain and TMD motions are all welcome. Several scientifically interesting aspects of the work merit highlighting before the remaining concerns are addressed.

      A key strength of this work remains the scope, scale, and realism of the simulation systems. The authors construct a very large, nearly complete-Env-scale model that includes a glycosylated Env trimer embedded in an asymmetric bilayer, enabling analysis of membrane-protein interactions that are difficult to capture experimentally. The inclusion of specific glycans at reported sites, and the focus on constructs with and without the CT or cleavage, are well motivated by existing biological and structural data.

      The observation that R696 orientation and its interacting partners give rise to asymmetric protomer conformations and distinct TMD tilts is a notable finding. The statement that interactions between R696 and lipid headgroups or CT residues can be strong enough to introduce a kink into the TMD is well-supported by representative snapshots and consistent with prior isolated-TMD simulations. The use of two initialization depths ("high" and "low") to probe R696 leaflet preference is methodologically interesting and the authors' interpretation - that there is a slight bias toward cytoplasmic leaflet interactions, but that these contacts could be highly dynamic over the course of viral entry - is appropriately cautious. It would be valuable to explicitly frame this as a hypothesis with testable predictions that future experimental or enhanced-sampling work could address. Similarly, the equilibration-driven kinking of the TMD core, consistent with prior isolated-TMD studies, represents a useful validation that extends those earlier observations to the intact trimeric context.

      The simulations reveal substantial tilting motions of the ectodomain relative to the membrane, with angles spanning roughly 0-30{degree sign} (and up to ~40{degree sign} in some analyses), while the ectodomain itself remains relatively rigid. This framing, that much of Env's conformational variability arises from rigid-body tilting rather than large internal rearrangements, is an important conceptual contribution. The authors also provide interesting observations regarding asymmetric bilayer deformations, including localized thinning and altered lipid headgroup interactions near the TMD and CT, which suggest a reciprocal coupling between Env and the surrounding membrane.

      The analysis of antibody-relevant epitopes across the prefusion state, including the V1/V2 and V3 loops, the CD4 binding site, and the MPER, is another strength. The study makes effective use of existing experimental knowledge in this context, for example by focusing on specific glycans known to occlude antibody binding, to motivate and interpret the simulations.

      Finally, the revised discussion provides more context that situates the study's findings and discrepancies within the broader literature, strengthening the manuscript's clarity and interpretability.

      Weaknesses:

      The revised work is much improved, but still includes substantive issues with writing including organization, such as paragraph run-ons, and citation issues. Improving these would help readers make the most of this important study.

      The revised Introduction now includes a paragraph summarizing prior MD work, which is an improvement. However, the paragraph remains structured around the limitations and setup of previous studies (e.g., "early studies were constrained by limited computational resources", short trajectory lengths, isolated constructs) rather than their findings. Readers benefit most from understanding what those studies showed - and where the present work confirms, extends, or diverges from those results. The current framing inadvertently positions prior work as deficient scaffolding rather than as independent data points converging on shared conclusions. The Introduction could be revised to briefly summarize the key biological conclusions from prior MD studies alongside their technical context, which could then be revisited in their appropriate place alongside key results.

      The authors have verified that PDB entries are cited at first mention, and this is noted. However, a recurring issue remains: key literature-supported conclusions appear in the Results and Discussion sections without accompanying citations at each point of use. Passages that summarize experimental or computational findings - particularly those used to validate or contextualize the authors' own results - require citation at every point of claim, not only at first introduction of a reference. This is not a minor stylistic preference. Downstream readers, systematic reviewers, and automated tools that map literature to claims (e.g., scite) rely on co-occurrence of claims and citations within the same passage. A citation appearing several paragraphs earlier does not carry attribution forward. As a practical example: the statement that "MPER-targeting antibodies bind effectively only after the gp120-gp41 trimer undergoes major conformational rearrangements toward a fusion-intermediate or post-fusion state (Frey et al., 2008; Alam et al., 2009; Chen et al., 2014; Lee et al., 2016)", which is appropriate. That same standard of inline attribution should be applied throughout - including in Results and Discussion subsections where prior experimental findings are mentioned without citation.

      Additionally, cited literature should be framed to highlight convergence with the authors' conclusions, not primarily to limitations of previous studies. Where prior studies independently support a finding, this should be stated explicitly. Independent replication across methods and systems is one of the strongest arguments for ground truth; treating it as such would improve the manuscript's scientific standing.

      Finally, the dynamical cross-correlation maps assess ectodomain-TMD coupling, and the authors appropriately acknowledge that microsecond simulations capture only the closed ground state. However, the revised manuscript does not address the question raised in the first review regarding CT-TMD and CT-ectodomain correlations. The Results section states that "very weak correlations between the ectodomain and the TMD" were found, but it is not clear whether the CT was included in this analysis or whether analogous correlation maps for CT-TMD and CT-ectodomain pairs were computed for the full-length systems. Additional analyses of the authors' deposited MD trajectories-such as probing for exposure of cryptic epitopes and potential allosteric coupling-could serve as valuable extensions of this work.

    5. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In the manuscript "Conformational Variability of HIV-1 Env Trimer and Viral Vulnerability", the authors study the fully glycosylated HIV-1 Env protein using an all-atom forcefield. It combines long all-atom simulations of Env in a realistic asymmetric bilayer with careful data analysis. This work clarifies how the CT domain modulates the overall conformation of the Env ectodomain and characterizes different MPER-TMD conformations. The authors also carefully analyze the accessibility of different antibodies to the Env protein.

      Strengths:

      This paper is state-of-the-art, given the scale of the system and the sophistication of the methods. The biological question is important, the methodology is rigorous, and the results will interest a broad audience.

      Weaknesses:

      The manuscript lacks a discussion of previous studies. The authors should consider addressing or comparing their work with the following points:

      (1) Tilting of the Env ectodomain has also been reported in previous experimental and theoretical work: https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.03.26.645577

      (2) A previous all-atom simulation study has characterized the conformational heterogeneity of the MPER-TMD domain: https://doi.org/10.1021/jacs.5c15421

      (3) Experimental studies have shown that MPER-directed antibodies recognize the prehairpin intermediate rather than the prefusion state: https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1807259115

      (4) How does the CT domain modulate the accessibility of these antibodies studied? The authors are in a strong position to compare their results with the following experimental study: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aaa9804

      Based on the Reviewer’s comments and suggestions, we have added a discussion related to each previous study mentioned above.

      (1) Tilting of the Env ectodomain has also been reported in previous experimental and theoretical work: https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.03.26.645577

      At the end of the third paragraph (originally the second paragraph) in the Discussion section we added:

      “Shehata et al. also built a model of full-length gp120–gp41 trimer embedded in a lipid bilayer and performed all-atom simulations, in which a tilting motion of the ectodomain was observed. Based on the analysis of accessible surface area using different probe radii, they reported that antibody epitopes on the ectodomain are largely shielded by glycans, while the MPER epitope is mainly occluded by the membrane with tilt angles above 30° required to achieve greater MPER exposure (Shehata et al., 2025).”

      (2) A previous all-atom simulation study has characterized the conformational heterogeneity of the MPER-TMD domain: https://doi.org/10.1021/jacs.5c15421

      In the middle of the first paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “This is consistent with the all-atom simulations of MPER–TMD–CT and MPER–TMD in an asymmetric membrane conducted by Majumder et al., which likewise show multiple different conformational states of MPER and TMD (Majumder et al., 2025).”

      (3) Experimental studies have shown that MPER-directed antibodies recognize the prehairpin intermediate rather than the prefusion state: https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1807259115

      The paper mentioned by the Reviewer mainly reports the NMR structure of the MPER and TMD. In this study, the authors experimentally examined a series of MPER mutations to assess whether alterations in the MPER affect epitope accessibility in other regions of the Env ectodomain. This study did not investigate whether MPER-directed antibodies recognize the prehairpin intermediate. Instead, it cited prior studies (Frey et al.; 2008, Alam et al., 2009; and Chen et al., 2014) reporting that MPER-directed antibodies target the prehairpin intermediate conformation. We have already cited two of them (Alam et al., 2009 and Chen et al., 2014) in the original preprint, and we have now added the third one (Frey et al., 2008) in the revised manuscript.

      In the middle of the third paragraph (originally the second paragraph) in the Discussion section we added:

      “This is consistent with experiment studies indicating that MPER-targeting antibodies bind effectively only after the gp120–gp41 trimer undergoes major conformational rearrangements toward a fusion-intermediate or post-fusion state (Frey et al., 2008; Alam et al., 2009; Chen et al., 2014; Lee et al., 2016).”

      (4) How does the CT domain modulate the accessibility of these antibodies studied? The authors are in a strong position to compare their results with the following experimental study: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aaa9804

      At the beginning of the second paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “Comparison of the full-length and CT-truncated systems shows that the primary difference arises from changes in the lipid bilayer, particularly in the exoplasmic leaflet, whereas differences in protein conformation and dynamics are less evident. Previous experimental studies have reported that mutations of the TMD residue and CT truncation can substantially affect antigenicity of ectodomain (Edwards et al., 2002; Chen et al., 2015; Dev et al., 2016). However, the ectodomain remains relatively rigid in our simulations for both full-length and CT-truncated systems. It is unclear whether this behavior reflects insufficient conformational sampling or artifacts associated with the model structures. Structural information for the CT is very limited, and the NMR structure (PDB ID: 7LOI) was the only available CT structure at the time the simulation systems were constructed. As a result, the extent to which this structure represents the native CT conformation remains uncertain. Additional experimental structural characterization of the CT will be important for achieving a more complete understanding of its functional role.”

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

      A minor point: The RMSD values in Figure 3-figure supplement 1, seem a little too small. Please check the units.

      Figure 3-figure supplement 1 shows the RMSD of the ectodomain. Prior to RMSD calculation, the snapshots extracted from each trajectory were aligned to the initial structure using the ectodomain as the reference to avoid falsely high RMSD values arising from different orientations of the ectodomain. The relatively small RMSD values therefore reflect the intrinsic structural stability of the ectodomain, indicating that its internal conformation remains stable even though it undergoes substantial tilting motions.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this work, the authors aim to elucidate how a viral surface protein behaves in a membrane environment and how its large-scale motions influence the exposure of antibody-binding sites. Using long-timescale, all-atom molecular dynamics simulations of a fully glycosylated, full-length protein embedded in a virus-like membrane, the study systematically examines the coupling between ectodomain motion, transmembrane orientation, membrane interactions, and epitope accessibility. By comparing multiple model variants that differ in cleavage state, initial transmembrane configuration, and presence of the cytoplasmic tail, the authors aim to identify general features of protein-membrane dynamics relevant to antibody recognition.

      Strengths:

      A major strength of this study is the scope and ambition of the simulations. The authors perform multiple microsecond-scale simulations of a highly complex, biologically realistic system that includes the full ectodomain, transmembrane region, cytoplasmic tail, glycans, and a heterogeneous membrane. Such simulations remain technically challenging, and the work represents a substantial computational and methodological effort.

      The analysis provides a clear and intuitive description of large-scale protein motions relative to the membrane, including ectodomain tilting and transmembrane orientation. The finding that the ectodomain explores a wide range of tilt angles while the transmembrane region remains more constrained, with limited correlation between the two, offers useful conceptual insight into how global motions may be accommodated without large rearrangements at the membrane anchor.

      Another strength is the explicit consideration of membrane and glycan steric effects on antibody accessibility. By evaluating multiple classes of antibodies targeting distinct regions of the protein, the study highlights how membrane proximity and glycan dynamics can differentially influence access to different epitopes. This comparative approach helps place the results in a broader immunological context and may be useful for readers interested in antibody recognition or vaccine design.

      Overall, the results are internally consistent across multiple simulations and model variants, and the conclusions are generally well aligned with the data presented.

      Weaknesses:

      The main limitations of the study relate to sampling and model dependence, which are inherent challenges for simulations of this size and complexity. Although the simulations are long by current standards, individual trajectories explore only portions of the available conformational space, and several conclusions rely on pooling data across a limited number of replicas. This makes it difficult to fully assess the robustness of some quantitative trends, particularly for rare events such as specific epitope accessibility states.

      In addition, several aspects of the model construction, including the treatment of missing regions, loop rebuilding, and initial configuration choices, are necessarily approximate. While these approaches are reasonable and well motivated, the extent to which some conclusions depend on these modeling choices is not always fully clear from the current presentation.

      Finally, the analysis of antibody accessibility is based on geometric and steric criteria, which provide a useful first-order approximation but do not capture potential conformational adaptations of antibodies or membrane remodeling during binding. As a result, the accessibility results should be interpreted primarily as model-based predictions rather than definitive statements about binding competence.

      Despite these limitations, the study provides a valuable and carefully executed contribution, and its datasets and analytical framework are likely to be useful to others interested in protein-membrane interactions and antibody recognition.

      Based on the Reviewer’s comments, we have revised the Discussion section to emphasize the limitation related to model construction and analysis of antibody accessibility.

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “Similar limitations apply to other modeled regions where structural information is incomplete, including missing loops in the ectodomain, the cleavage site and heptad repeat 2 where two PDB structures (IDs: 6B0N and 7LOI) were merged. These regions introduce additional uncertainty, and the extent to which they influence the interpretation of our results remains an open question.”

      In the middle of the third paragraph (originally the second paragraph) in the Discussion section we added:

      “In addition, this analysis is based on geometric and steric criteria without accounting for potential conformational adaptations of gp120–gp41, antibodies, or the membrane; therefore, the calculated frequency of antibody accessibility should be interpreted as an approximation rather than a definitive indicator of binding competence.”

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Lines 45-47: The phrase "A major breakthrough was the design of ..." may be confusing. The gp140 trimer refers to a naturally occurring form of the HIV envelope protein rather than a structure designed de novo. If this statement refers to the development of a specific experimental construct or model system, this should be clarified to avoid misunderstanding.

      We have revised the sentence to clarify that the statement refers to soluble gp140 trimer constructs developed to stabilize the prefusion Env ectodomain for structural and immunological studies.

      At the beginning of the second paragraph in the Introduction section, we have modified the following:

      “A major advance was the development of soluble gp140 trimers, composing gp120 and the ectodomain portion of gp41, designed to stabilize the prefusion Env trimer for structural and immunological characterization.”

      (2) Figure 1A: The figure displays a model structure lacking the cytoplasmic tail. Given that the full-length model is central to the study, the authors may wish to explain why the truncated structure is shown here or consider displaying the full-length model to better reflect the complete system analyzed.

      We have combined Figure 1 and Figure 1—figure supplements 1 to show both full-length and CT-truncated models in one figure. We have also added an explanation of why the CT-truncated model was used as the primary system for analysis.

      In the middle of the third paragraph in the Introduction section we added:

      “However, structural information for the CT remains limited, leading to uncertainty in its conformational organization. To reduce potential bias arising from this uncertainty, we also generated a CT-truncated model and used it as the primary system for analysis (Figure 1, Figure 1—figure supplements 1).”

      We have modified Figure 1

      We removed Figure 1—figure supplements 1

      (3) Line 106: The probability distributions of θEC and θTM are cited in support of the statement that the angles "typically range from ... with occasional tilting." Providing explicit quantitative measures (for example, means, percentiles, or fractions of time spent in different angular regimes) would strengthen this claim.

      We have revised the text to explicitly indicate that only 0.7‰ of the sampled θ<sub>EC</sub> values are greater than 40°.

      In the middle of the first paragraph in the subsection “The ectodomain maintains a rigid internal structure and tilts independently of the TMD” we have modified the following:

      “Across trajectories, θ<sub>EC</sub> typically ranges from 0° to 40°, with only 0.7‰ exceeding 40°”.

      (4) Figure 2: The meaning of the contour lines is not clearly explained. If these represent probability density estimates of angular values over the trajectory, this should be stated explicitly. In addition, because the angles may evolve over time, it would be helpful to clarify how temporal drift is accounted for in the contour representation.

      We have clarified in both the main text and the figure caption that the contour lines in Figure 2B represent the joint probability density of the ectodomain and TMD tilt angles. We have also added Figure 2—figure supplements 5–8 showing the temporal evolution of the ectodomain and TMD tilt angles.

      In the middle of the first paragraph in the subsection “The ectodomain maintains a rigid internal structure and tilts independently of the TMD” we have modified the following:

      “The temporal evolution of θ<sub>EC</sub> and θ<sub>TM</sub> is additionally shown in Figure 2—figure supplements 5–8. For the CT-truncated systems, the joint probability densities of θ<sub>EC</sub> and θ<sub>TM</sub> calculated from the final 0.5 µs of each trajectory are shown in Figure 2B, while those for the full-length systems are shown in Figure 2—figure supplement 9.”

      In the caption of Figure 2 we have modified the following:

      “(B) Probability densities of ectodomain and TMD tilt angles, calculated from CT-truncated systems with various initial configurations.”

      We have added Figure 2—figure supplements 5–8.

      We have modified the following:

      “The original Figure 2—figure supplements 5 has been renumbered as Figure 2—figure supplements 9.”

      (5) Figure 2 (supplements): Some datasets are shown using scatter plots, while others are presented as contour plots. Using a consistent visualization style across panels or clearly explaining the rationale for the different representations would improve clarity.

      The contour plots in Figure 2B and Figure 2—figure supplements 9 show the joint distribution of the ectodomain and TMD tilt angles during the final 0.5 µs of each trajectory, whereas the scatter plots in Figure 2—figure supplements 1–4 illustrate the variations of the tilt angles across different time intervals. Each 1-µs trajectory was divided into four 0.25-µs intervals, indicated by light gray, dark gray, black, and red respectively, as shown in the legends of Figure 2—figure supplements 1–4. We have clarified in the main text that the multi-colored scatter plots are intended to demonstrate that large conformational changes predominantly occurred during the first 0.5 µs of each trajectory.

      In the middle of the first paragraph in the subsection “The ectodomain maintains a rigid internal structure and tilts independently of the TMD” we have modified the following:

      “Each 1-µs trajectory is divided into four consecutive 0.25-µs intervals, and data points from each interval are distinguished by four different colors (Figure 2—figure supplements 1–4). The variations of θ<sub>EC</sub> and θ<sub>TM</sub> over time show that large conformational changes predominantly occurred during the first 0.5 µs, followed by convergence of the θ<sub>EC</sub> and θ<sub>TM</sub> distributions during the second 0.5 µs in most trajectories.”

      (6) As noted in Line 97, θEC and θTM tilt independently. In this context, presenting time series plots of θEC and θTM separately would be highly informative. Such plots would help readers distinguish between equilibration behavior, drift from initial conditions, and equilibrium fluctuations.

      We have added Figure 2—figure supplements 5–8 showing the temporal evolution of the ectodomain and TMD tilt angles, as noted in our response to comment (4).

      (7) Figure 3A: It is not immediately clear which panels correspond to top views and which correspond to side views. Explicitly labeling these views in the figure or caption would reduce ambiguity.

      We have added labels in Figure 3A to clearly denote the top-view and side-view panels.

      (8) Figure 3B: The description "...by solid and transparent colors..." is ambiguous, as it is unclear whether this refers to color intensity or transparency. The caption would benefit from explicitly stating the visual encoding used (for example, darker/lighter colors or left/right bars).

      We have revised the figure caption to clarify which boxes correspond to cleaved systems and which correspond to uncleaved systems.

      In the caption of Figure 3 we have modified the following:

      “For each residue, the distribution from cleaved systems is shown in dark color (left), and that from uncleaved systems is shown in light color (right).”

      (9) Figure 4H: The definition of "frequency" expressed as a percentage is unclear. If this represents the fraction of snapshots in which two atoms fall within a specified distance range, this should be stated explicitly. The authors should also clarify whether the reported quantity is a probability or a rate, and ensure that the units and terminology are consistent.

      We have revised the figure caption to clarify that the frequency represents the fraction of snapshots in which the heavy atoms of a TMD residue and the interacting component are within 5 Å.

      In the caption of Figure 4 we have modified the following:

      “For each TMD residue–interacting component pair, the frequency represents the fraction of snapshots in which the heavy atoms of the TMD residue and the corresponding component are within 5 Å. Bar shading reflects this fraction, with fully filled bars indicating 100% and empty bars indicating 0%.”

      (10) Line 170: The manuscript describes a "rapid rearrangement" of the transmembrane domain at early simulation times. It would be helpful to clarify whether this regime is considered equilibration and whether it is excluded from subsequent analyses. Plotting time series of the relevant tilting angles and transmembrane rearrangement metrics could help address this point.

      We have clarified that the TMD underwent conformational changes early in the equilibration stage to enable R696 to interact with lipid headgroups, ions, or CT residues, and these interactions were largely maintained throughout the production stage. The time series of TMD tilting angles are now shown in Figure 2—figure supplements 5–8. Notably, the TMD exhibits heterogeneous conformational changes, including tilting, bending, and partial loss of helical structure. Therefore, no single metric or limited set of metrics can comprehensively capture the full extent of TMD conformational variability.

      In the middle of the first paragraph in the subsection “The energetically unfavorable R696 in the hydrophobic core results in asymmetric, kinked TMD conformations and disrupts membrane integrity” we have modified the following:

      “Early in the equilibration stage, the TMD rapidly rearranged to allow R696 residues to interact with more favorable partners, including negatively charged lipid headgroups from either leaflet, ions and water molecules diffusing into the bilayer center, as well as polar and positively charged groups in the CT when present. Once the interactions between R696 residues and their binding partners (lipid headgroup, ions or CT residues) were established, they remained stable with minimal changes throughout the production stage.”

      (11) Line 213: As with earlier sections, time series plots of θEC and θTM, similar to those shown in Figure 3-figure supplement 1, would greatly aid interpretation by showing whether these angles drift or fluctuate around stable values.

      The time series of θ<sub>EC</sub> and θ<sub>TM</sub> are now shown in Figure 2—figure supplements 5–8. Line 213 refers to the conformational variability of the MPER. For the same reason discussed in our response to comment (10), the MPER exhibits even greater conformational heterogeneity than the TMD, and therefore cannot be adequately described by a single or small set of geometric metrics such as tilt or bending angles.

      (12) Lines 216-222: The term "trajectories" may be misleading in this context. It is unclear whether the differences discussed arise from different trajectories of the same system or from different systems altogether. Clarifying this distinction would improve interoperability.

      In this paragraph, we describe MPER conformational variations observed across all trajectories from all systems. A preceding sentence has been modified to emphasize that all trajectories from all systems are included. In addition, we have clarified which specific trajectory is referred to when discussing each example.

      At the beginning of the first paragraph in the subsection “MPER adopts diverse conformations, and its exposure depends on both MPER and TMD conformations” we have modified the following:

      “…, and a wide variety of conformations were sampled across all trajectories from all systems.”

      “Such conformation and orientation were maintained in some trajectories such as CL<sup>ΔCT</sup>3 (the third trajectory of the cleaved, CT-truncated system with the low TMD position, Figure 4—figure supplement 2C). In other trajectories, such as CL<sup>CT</sup>1, the helix-turn-helix MPER in one protomer shifted into a horizontal orientation parallel to the membrane surface (Figure 4—figure supplement 6A). In UL<sup>ΔCT</sup>1, the entire MPER adopted a more vertical arrangement, with both MPER-N and MPER-C tilted outward (Figure 4E, Figure 4—figure supplement 4A). We also observed in UH<sup>ΔCT</sup>3 and UL<sup>ΔCT</sup>3 that the HR2 helix in the ectodomain, MPER, and TMD merged into a continuous long helix (Figure 4C, F, Figure 4—figure supplement 3C, 4C). In addition, loss of helical structure within the MPER was common, particularly in the MPER-C region, which often transitioned to a random coil.”

      (13) Lines 280 and 287: Similar concerns apply to the use of the term "trajectories." If observations differ primarily between systems rather than between trajectories within a system, revising the wording accordingly would avoid confusion.

      We have revised the text to clarify that all trajectories from all systems are considered collectively.

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the subsection “Ectodomain epitopes are conditionally accessible, whereas MPER epitopes are virtually inaccessible in the closed prefusion state” we have modified the following:

      “When considering all trajectories from all systems collectively, approximately half of them exhibited at least one protomer with >35% accessibility (Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 2).”

      (14) Figure 5B: Providing a time series of the distance dF673, at least in the Supporting Information, would help assess sampling and equilibration. Such plots would complement the probability distributions and increase confidence in the reported trends.

      We have added Figure 5—figure supplement 1 showing the time series of the distance d<sub>F673</sub> to complement the probability distribution in Figure 5B.

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the subsection “MPER adopts diverse conformations, and its exposure depends on both MPER and TMD conformations”, we have modified the following:

      “In the initial ‘low’ and ‘high’ TMD configurations, dF673 was 6.1 Å and 9.1 Å, respectively, but across simulations it spanned a wide range from -15 Å to 20 Å (Figure 5A, B, Figure 5—figure supplement 1).”

      We have added Figure 5—figure supplement 1.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This study uses large-scale all-atom molecular dynamics simulations to examine the conformational plasticity of the HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein (Env) in a membrane context, with particular emphasis on how the transmembrane domain (TMD), cytoplasmic tail (CT), and membrane environment influence ectodomain orientation and antibody epitope exposure. By comparing Env constructs with and without the CT, explicitly modeling glycosylation, and embedding Env in an asymmetric lipid bilayer, the authors aim to provide an integrated view of how membrane-proximal regions and lipid interactions shape Env antigenicity, including epitopes targeted by MPER-directed antibodies.

      Strengths:

      A key strength of this work is the scope and realism of the simulation systems. The authors construct a very large, nearly complete Env-scale model that includes a glycosylated Env trimer embedded in an asymmetric bilayer, enabling analysis of membrane-protein interactions that are difficult to capture experimentally. The inclusion of specific glycans at reported sites, and the focus on constructs with and without the CT, are well motivated by existing biological and structural data.

      The simulations reveal substantial tilting motions of the ectodomain relative to the membrane, with angles spanning roughly 0-30° (and up to ~50° in some analyses), while the ectodomain itself remains relatively rigid. This framing, that much of Env's conformational variability arises from rigid-body tilting rather than large internal rearrangements, is an important conceptual contribution. The authors also provide interesting observations regarding asymmetric bilayer deformations, including localized thinning and altered lipid headgroup interactions near the TMD and CT, which suggest a reciprocal coupling between Env and the surrounding membrane.

      The analysis of antibody-relevant epitopes across the prefusion state, including the V1/V2 and V3 loops, the CD4 binding site, and the MPER, is another strength. The study makes effective use of existing experimental knowledge in this context, for example, by focusing on specific glycans known to occlude antibody binding, to motivate and interpret the simulations.

      Weaknesses:

      While the simulations are technically impressive, the manuscript would benefit from more explicit cross-validation against prior experimental and computational work throughout the Results and Discussion, and better framing in the introduction. Many of the reported behaviors, such as ectodomain tilting, TMD kinking, lipid interactions at helix boundaries, and aspects of membrane deformation, have been described previously in a range of MD studies of HIV Env and related constructs (e.g., PMC2730987, PMC2980712, PMC4254001, PMC4040535, PMC6035291, PMC12665260, PMID: 33882664, PMC11975376). Clearly situating the present results relative to these studies would strengthen the paper by clarifying where the simulations reproduce established behavior and where they extend it to more complete or realistic systems.

      A related limitation is that the work remains largely descriptive with respect to conformational coupling. Numerous experimental studies have demonstrated functional and conformational coupling between the TMD, CT, and the antigenic surface, with effects on Env stability, infectivity, and antibody binding (e.g., PMC4701381, PMC4304640, PMC5085267). In this context, the statement that ectodomain and TMD tilting motions are independent is a strong conclusion that is not fully supported by the analyses presented, particularly given the authors' acknowledgment that multiple independent simulations are required to adequately sample conformational space. More direct analyses of coupling, rather than correlations inferred from individual trajectories, would help align the simulations with the existing experimental literature. Given the scale of these simulations, a more thorough analysis of coupling could be this paper's most seminal contribution to the field.

      The choice of membrane composition also warrants deeper discussion. The manuscript states that it relies on a plasma membrane model derived from a prior simulation-based study, which itself is based on host plasma membrane (PMID: 35167752), but experimental analyses have shown that HIV virions differ substantially from host plasma membranes (e.g., PMC46679, PMC1413831, PMC10663554, PMC5039752, PMC6881329). In particular, virions are depleted in PC, PE, and PI, and enriched in phosphatidylserine, sphingomyelins, and cholesterol. These differences are likely to influence bilayer thickness, rigidity, and lipid-protein interactions and, therefore, may affect the generality of the conclusions regarding Env dynamics and antigenicity. Notably, the citation provided for membrane composition is a laboratory self-citation, a secondary source, rather than a primary experimental study on plasma membrane composition.

      Finally, there are pervasive issues with citation and methodological clarity. Several structural models are referred to only by PDB ID without citation, and in at least one case, a structure described as cryo-EM is in fact an NMR-derived model. Statements regarding residue flexibility, missing regions in structures, and comparisons to prior dynamics studies are often presented without appropriate references. The Methods section also lacks sufficient detail for a system of this size and complexity, limiting readers' ability to assess robustness or reproducibility.

      With stronger integration of prior experimental and computational literature, this work has the potential to serve as a valuable reference for how Env behaves in a realistic, glycosylated, membrane-embedded context. The simulation framework itself is well-suited for future studies incorporating mutations, strain variation, antibodies, inhibitors, or receptor and co-receptor engagement. In its current form, the primary contribution of the study is to consolidate and extend existing observations within a single, large-scale model, providing a useful platform for future mechanistic investigations.

      Following the Reviewer’s comments and suggestions, we have revised the manuscript accordingly.

      While the simulations are technically impressive, the manuscript would benefit from more explicit cross-validation against prior experimental and computational work throughout the Results and Discussion, and better framing in the introduction. Many of the reported behaviors, such as ectodomain tilting, TMD kinking, lipid interactions at helix boundaries, and aspects of membrane deformation, have been described previously in a range of MD studies of HIV Env and related constructs (e.g., PMC2730987, PMC2980712, PMC4254001, PMC4040535, PMC6035291, PMC12665260, PMID: 33882664, PMC11975376). Clearly situating the present results relative to these studies would strengthen the paper by clarifying where the simulations reproduce established behavior and where they extend it to more complete or realistic systems.

      We have added a summary of the prior computational studies in the Introduction section.

      At the beginning of the third paragraph in the Introduction section we added:

      “Molecular dynamics (MD) simulations have been employed to investigate the stability and conformational properties of monomeric and trimeric helical TMD in both aqueous and lipid bilayer environments since late 2000s (Kim et al., 2009; Gangupomu et al., 2010; Baker et al., 2014; Baker et al., 2014; Hollingsworth et al., 2018). Early studies were constrained by limited computational resources and therefore the simulation times are relatively short. Subsequent work employed metadynamics to probe rare events (Gangupomu et al., 2010; Baker et al., 2014), and simulations performed on Anton supercomputers extended sampling to multi-microsecond time scale (Baker et al., 2014). Piai and coworkers determined the NMR structure of a construct comprising the MPER, TMD, and CT, and carried out MD simulations to access the structural stability of the trimeric MPER–TMD–CT complex (Piai et al., 2021). Majumder et al. subsequently simulated the same MPER–TMD–CT complex and applied a machine learning-based approach to classify its conformational ensemble (Majumder et al., 2025). Maillie et al. combined conventional MD, steered MD, and coarse-grained simulations to examine interactions between MPER-targeting antibodies and membrane lipids (Maillie et al., 2025). In addition, MD simulations have been extensively applied to the well-studied ectodomain. Despite these advances, it remains challenging to investigate the gp120–gp41 trimer as an intact entity considering its structural complexity.”

      We have also added a discussion of previous MD simulation studies to the Result section regarding interactions of the TMD residue R696 with ions and lipid headgroups.

      At the end of the first paragraph in the subsection “The energetically unfavorable R696 in the hydrophobic core results in asymmetric, kinked TMD conformations and disrupts membrane integrity”

      “Previously, Kim et al. reported that the inter-chain interactions between protonated R696 gradually diminished over a short simulation time (23 ns), leading to increased crossing angles and reduced bundle length (Kim et al., 2009). Gangupomu et. al and Baker et. al observed that R696 snorkeled toward either exoplasmic or endoplasmic headgroups in simulations of the TMD monomer, resulting in TMD tilting and membrane thinning due to water penetration and lipid headgroups interacting with R696 (Gangupomu et al., 2010; Baker et al., 2014; Baker et al., 2014). These observations are consistent with our finding. Hollingsworth et. al also reported membrane thinning; however, they attributed this effect to interfacial interactions of R683 and R707 with both leaflets and proposed that R696 only interacted with water and ions permeating into the center of the TMD timer (Hollingsworth et al., 2018).”

      A related limitation is that the work remains largely descriptive with respect to conformational coupling. Numerous experimental studies have demonstrated functional and conformational coupling between the TMD, CT, and the antigenic surface, with effects on Env stability, infectivity, and antibody binding (e.g., PMC4701381, PMC4304640, PMC5085267). In this context, the statement that ectodomain and TMD tilting motions are independent is a strong conclusion that is not fully supported by the analyses presented, particularly given the authors' acknowledgment that multiple independent simulations are required to adequately sample conformational space. More direct analyses of coupling, rather than correlations inferred from individual trajectories, would help align the simulations with the existing experimental literature. Given the scale of these simulations, a more thorough analysis of coupling could be this paper's most seminal contribution to the field.

      We have added a discussion of the coupling between TMD, CT and Env antigenicity, and the independent motion of ectodomain and TMD in our simulation.

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the Discussion section

      “Our analysis of the ectodomain and TMD coupling indicates that the motions of these two domains are largely independent. This observation does not contradict experimental studies demonstrating functional coupling between the TMD, CT, and the antigenic profiles of Env (Chen et al., 2015; Dev et al., 2016). Munro et al. proposed that unliganded Env is intrinsically dynamic, transitioning among three distinct prefusion conformations: a closed ground state (predominant), a transient state, and a CD4-/co-receptor-stabilized state. Both laboratory-adapted and clinically isolated strains can spontaneously transition among these three states, although their relative occupancies differ (Munro et al., 2014). It is therefore possible that TMD mutations or CT truncation also alter the equilibrium distribution among three states, thereby affecting the epitope exposure, particularly for epitopes that are occluded in the closed ground state while exposed in the CD4-/co-receptor-stabilized state. However, transition among three states occur on millisecond-to-second timescales. Our simulations on microsecond timescales primarily capture conformational variations within the closed ground state and suggest that the MPER acts as a hinge, providing substantial flexibility that enables the ectodomain and TMD to move independently while Env remains in the closed ground state.”

      We have also calculated the dynamical cross-correlation maps showing very weak correlations between the ectodomain and the TMD.

      At the end of the first paragraph in the subsection “The ectodomain maintains a rigid internal structure and tilts independently of the TMD”

      “We also calculated the dynamical cross-correlation maps (Ichiye et al., 1991) of Cα atoms for all systems using CPPTRAJ (Roe et al., 2013). The results indicate only very weak correlations between the ectodomain and the TMD (Figure 2—figure supplements 10–13).”

      We have added Figure 2—figure supplements 10–13.

      The choice of membrane composition also warrants deeper discussion. The manuscript states that it relies on a plasma membrane model derived from a prior simulation-based study, which itself is based on host plasma membrane (PMID: 35167752), but experimental analyses have shown that HIV virions differ substantially from host plasma membranes (e.g., PMC46679, PMC1413831, PMC10663554, PMC5039752, PMC6881329). In particular, virions are depleted in PC, PE, and PI, and enriched in phosphatidylserine, sphingomyelins, and cholesterol. These differences are likely to influence bilayer thickness, rigidity, and lipid-protein interactions and, therefore, may affect the generality of the conclusions regarding Env dynamics and antigenicity. Notably, the citation provided for membrane composition is a laboratory self-citation, a secondary source, rather than a primary experimental study on plasma membrane composition.

      We have added references to primary experimental studies on plasma membrane composition (van Meer et al., 2008; Sampaio et al., 2011), as well as the prior simulation study proposing the lipid and cholesterol distributions (Ingolfsson et al., 2014).

      At the beginning of the Membrane subsection in the Materials and methods section

      We have modified the following:

      The full-length and CT-truncated gp120–gp41 models were embedded into an asymmetric lipid bilayer with the lipid composition corresponding to a mammalian plasma membrane (van Meer et al., 2008; Sampaio et al., 2011; Ingolfsson et al., 2014; Pogozheva et al., 2022),

      We have also clarified the limitations associated with the choice of lipid composition and emphasized the need to investigate its influence in future studies.

      At the end of the second paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “In addition to the limitations inherent to protein structure modeling, the choice of lipid composition remains an open question. In this work, we selected an asymmetric mammalian plasma membrane because it is one of the 18 complex biomembrane systems we previously studied (Pogozheva et al., 2022), and among them, it provides the closest available approximation to the HIV membrane. Nevertheless, experimental studies have reported differences in lipid composition between HIV virions and the host plasma membrane (Aloia et al., 1993; Brugger et al., 2006; Huarte et al., 2016; Mucksch et al., 2019; Tomishige et al., 2023). Although we do not anticipate that our main conclusions regarding Env domain motions and MPER flexibility would change substantially, evaluating the influence of lipid composition represents an important direction for future work.”

      Finally, there are pervasive issues with citation and methodological clarity. Several structural models are referred to only by PDB ID without citation, and in at least one case, a structure described as cryo-EM is in fact an NMR-derived model. Statements regarding residue flexibility, missing regions in structures, and comparisons to prior dynamics studies are often presented without appropriate references. The Methods section also lacks sufficient detail for a system of this size and complexity, limiting readers' ability to assess robustness or reproducibility.

      We have corrected the error in which PDB structure 7LOI was described as a cryo-EM structure; it is in fact an NMR structure. We have also verified that all PDB structures are properly cited at their first occurrence in the manuscript.

      We have clarified that the modeling of palmitoylation sites, glycans and lipid bilayers are done in an automated fashion by different modules in CHARMM-GUI, and added Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 8 showing the simulation settings for equilibration and production stages.

      At the end of the subsection “Modeling of full-length gp120–gp41 trimer” we have modified the following:

      “Two mutations (S764C and S837C) were introduced in the CT to restore the palmitoylation sites, and lipid tails oriented towards the hydrophobic core of the bilayer were then attached to the palmitoylation sites using the PDB Manipulation module in CHARMM-GUI (Jo et al., 2008; Jo et al., 2014; Park et al., 2023) (Figure 1D).”

      At the end of the subsection “Glycosylation” we added:

      “The select glycan sequences were represented in the Glycan Reader Sequence format (Jo et al., 2011; Park et al., 2017) and added to the corresponding glycosylation sites using the Glycan Reader & Modeler graphical interface.”

      In the middle of the subsection “Membrane” we added:

      “Membrane systems were constructed using CHARMM-GUI Membrane Builder, which provides a user-friendly graphical interface for selecting lipid types and defining their numbers in each leaflet (Jo et al., 2007; Jo et al., 2009; Wu et al., 2014; Lee et al., 2016; Lee et al., 2019).”

      In the middle of the subsection “Simulation details” we added:

      We have modified the following:

      “Positional and dihedral restraints were applied to proteins, glycans, and lipids, with force constants progressively reduced over successive intervals (Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 8).”

      We added Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 8.

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Major concerns:

      (1) Strengthen analysis of conformational coupling: Consider analyses that more directly assess coupling between the TMD/CT and ectodomain, such as residue-residue correlation networks, comparisons to smFRET-defined conformational states, or data-driven (e.g., machine learning-based) trajectory analyses. Machine-learning analysis would be particularly helpful in understanding otherwise elusive allosteric networks that could govern large-scale behavior. Discuss how, due to the apparent local minima that occur after ~0.5 us, enhanced sampling methods might be employed to better cover the Env conformational landscape.

      We have calculated the dynamical cross-correlation maps showing very weak correlations between the ectodomain and the TMD.

      At the end of the first paragraph in the subsection “The ectodomain maintains a rigid internal structure and tilts independently of the TMD”

      “We also calculated the dynamical cross-correlation maps (Ichiye et al., 1991) of Cα atoms for all systems using CPPTRAJ (Roe et al., 2013). The results indicate only very weak correlations between the ectodomain and the TMD (Figure 2—figure supplements 10–13).”

      We added Figure 2—figure supplements 10–13.

      We have also noted in the Discussion section that enhanced sampling methods could be employed to better explore the conformational landscape of Env trimer, including fluctuations within the closed state as well as transitions among the closed ground, transient and CD4/co-receptor-stabilized states proposed in the previous experimental study (Munro et al., 2014).

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “Enhanced sampling methods could be applied to more thoroughly explore the conformational landscape, including not only variations within the closed ground state but also transitions among the closed ground, transient and CD4-/co-receptor-stabilized states.”

      (2) Qualify strong independence claims: Rephrase or further support statements asserting independence of ectodomain and TMD motions, particularly in light of known experimental evidence for coupling (PMC4701381, PMC4304640, PMC5085267).

      In addition to adding the dynamical cross-correlation maps showing very weak correlations between the ectodomain and the TMD, we have added a discussion of the coupling between TMD, CT, and Env antigenicity, and the independent motion of ectodomain and TMD in our simulation.

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “Our analysis of the ectodomain and TMD coupling indicates that the motions of these two domains are largely independent. This observation does not contradict experimental studies demonstrating functional coupling between the TMD, CT, and the antigenic profiles of Env (Chen et al., 2015; Dev et al., 2016). Munro et al. proposed that unliganded Env is intrinsically dynamic, transitioning among three distinct prefusion conformations: a closed ground state (predominant), a transient state, and a CD4-/co-receptor-stabilized state. Both laboratory-adapted and clinically isolated strains can spontaneously transition among these three states, although their relative occupancies differ (Munro et al., 2014). It is therefore possible that TMD mutations or CT truncation also alter the equilibrium distribution among three states, thereby affecting the epitope exposure, particularly for epitopes that are occluded in the closed ground state while exposed in the CD4-/co-receptor-stabilized state. However, transition among three states occur on millisecond-to-second timescales. Our simulations on microsecond timescales primarily capture conformational variations within the closed ground state and suggest that the MPER acts as a hinge, providing substantial flexibility that enables the ectodomain and TMD to move independently while Env remains in the closed ground state.”

      (3) Clarify membrane composition assumptions: Provide a clearer rationale for the chosen lipid composition, and explicitly discuss how differences between host plasma membranes and HIV virions (e.g., PS, sphingomyelin, and cholesterol enrichment) may affect the conclusions.

      We have clarified the limitations associated with the choice of lipid composition and emphasized the need to investigate its influence in future studies.

      At the end of the second paragraph in the Discussion section we added:

      “In addition to the limitations inherent to protein structure modeling, the choice of lipid composition remains an open question. In this work, we selected an asymmetric mammalian plasma membrane because it is one of the 18 complex biomembrane systems we previously studied (Pogozheva et al., 2022), and among them, it provides the closest available approximation to the HIV membrane. Nevertheless, experimental studies have reported differences in lipid composition between HIV virions and the host plasma membrane (Aloia et al., 1993; Brugger et al., 2006; Huarte et al., 2016; Mucksch et al., 2019; Tomishige et al., 2023). Although we do not anticipate that our main conclusions regarding Env domain motions and MPER flexibility would change substantially, evaluating the influence of lipid composition represents an important direction for future work.”

      (4) Address citation and reference issues: Replace PDB-only references with proper citations, correct mischaracterizations of structure determination methods, and ensure all supplementary citations are fully referenced.

      We have corrected the error in which PDB structure 7LOI was described as a cryo-EM structure; it is in fact an NMR structure. We have also verified that all PDB structures are properly cited at their first occurrence in the manuscript.

      (5) Expand the Methods section: Provide additional detail on system construction, glycan modeling, lipid asymmetry, equilibration, sampling, and limitations, including a discussion of potential benefits of enhanced-sampling approaches.

      We have clarified that the modeling of palmitoylation sites, glycans and lipid bilayers are done in an automated fashion by different modules in CHARMM-GUI, and added Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 8 showing the simulation settings for equilibration and production stages.

      At the end of the subsection “Modeling of full-length gp120–gp41 trimer” we have modified the following:

      “Two mutations (S764C and S837C) were introduced in the CT to restore the palmitoylation sites, and lipid tails oriented towards the hydrophobic core of the bilayer were then attached to the palmitoylation sites using the PDB Manipulation module in CHARMM-GUI (Jo et al., 2008; Jo et al., 2014; Park et al., 2023) (Figure 1D).”

      At the end of the subsection “Glycosylation” we added:

      “The select glycan sequences were represented in the Glycan Reader Sequence format (Jo et al., 2011; Park et al., 2017) and added to the corresponding glycosylation sites using the Glycan Reader & Modeler graphical interface.”

      In the middle of the subsection “Membrane” we added:

      “Membrane systems were constructed using CHARMM-GUI Membrane Builder, which provides a user-friendly graphical interface for selecting lipid types and defining their numbers in each leaflet (Jo et al., 2007; Jo et al., 2009; Wu et al., 2014; Lee et al., 2016; Lee et al., 2019).”

      In the middle of the subsection “Simulation details” we have modified the following:

      “Positional and dihedral restraints were applied to proteins, glycans, and lipids, with force constants progressively reduced over successive intervals (Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 8).”

      We added Supplementary file 1–Supplementary Table 8.

      The discussion of potential benefits of enhanced-sampling approaches is included in our response to major concern (1).

      (6) Data availability: In addition to code, deposit all MD trajectories for re-analysis. The scale of this simulation was likely costly (GPU time), and so data availability is imperative.

      We have deposit MD simulation trajectories to Zenodo.

      At the end of the section “Data availability” we added:

      “The simulation trajectories can be found at https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.18853902, https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.18854615, and https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.18854639.”

      Minor:

      (1) Stylistic: Suggested to revise Figure 1 to provide a clearer overview of all constructs with consistent nomenclature (e.g., "full-length" versus "ΔCT") and explicit domain boundaries. With a better overview figure, the current figures could comprise the Figure 1 associated with Figures 1 and 2.

      We have combined Figure 1 and Figure 1—figure supplement 1 to show both full-length and CT-truncated models in one figure.

      We have modified Figure 1.

      We have removed Figure 1—figure supplements 1.

      (2) Explicitly cross-validate against prior studies: Integrate comparisons to existing MD simulations and experimental studies (e.g., PMC2730987, PMC2980712, PMC4254001, PMC4040535, PMC6035291, PMC4701381, PMC5085267) directly into the Results and Discussion.

      We have added discussion of previous MD simulation studies to the Result section regarding interactions of the TMD residue R696 with ions and lipid headgroups.

      At the end of the first paragraph in the subsection “The energetically unfavorable R696 in the hydrophobic core results in asymmetric, kinked TMD conformations and disrupts membrane integrity” we have modified the following:

      “Previously, Kim et al. reported that the inter-chain interactions between protonated R696 gradually diminished over a short simulation time (23 ns), leading to increased crossing angles and reduced bundle length (Kim et al., 2009). Gangupomu et. al and Baker et. al observed that R696 snorkeled toward either exoplasmic or endoplasmic headgroups in simulations of the TMD monomer, resulting in TMD tilting and membrane thinning due to water penetration and lipid headgroups interacting with R696 (Gangupomu et al., 2010; Baker et al., 2014; Baker et al., 2014). These observations are consistent with our finding. Hollingsworth et. al also reported membrane thinning; however, they attributed this effect to interfacial interactions of R683 and R707 with both leaflets and proposed that R696 only interacted with water and ions permeating into the center of the TMD timer (Hollingsworth et al., 2018).”

      The discussion of PMC4701381 and PMC5085267 is included in our response to major concern (2).

      (3) "In the cryo-EM structure (PDB ID: 7LOI)": This is an NMR model and lacks citation.

      We have corrected this error and added the citation at the first occurrence of PDB ID: 7LOI in the Result section.

      In the middle of the first paragraph in the subsection “The energetically unfavorable R696 in the hydrophobic core results in asymmetric, kinked TMD conformations and disrupts membrane integrity” we have modified the following:

      “In the NMR structure (PDB ID: 7LOI) (Piai et al., 2021),”

      (4) "Higher RMSF values were observed in the residues missing from the cryo-EM structure": This is lacking citation, as there are multiple cryo-EM structures and several dynamics studies using NMR.

      The missing residues here specifically refer to those absent in the cryo-EM structure (PDB ID: 6B0N) used for model building, rather than all cryo-EM structures in the PDB. We have revised the text to clarify this distinction.

      In the middle of the second paragraph in the subsection “The ectodomain maintains a rigid internal structure and tilts independently of the TMD” we have modified th following:

      “Higher RMSF values were observed in the residues missing from the cryo-EM structure (PDB ID: 6B0N) (Sarkar et al., 2018), which was used for the ectodomain in model building (these missing residues are highlighted in red in Figure 1A, B),”

    1. eLife Assessment

      This study provides fundamental insights by demonstrating that the Nanog mRNA coding sequence (CDS) and 3′UTR domains are spatially segregated and functionally distinct in pluripotent stem cells and blastocysts, with 3′UTR-enriched border cells primarily influencing morphogenesis and CDS-enriched inner cells largely regulating transcription and epigenetic programs. The work opens a novel conceptual avenue for understanding how separable mRNA domains can differentially control cell behavior and differentiation. However, the evidence is incomplete, as key aspects of the molecular nature, biogenesis, and precise characterization of the separated 3′UTR and CDS RNA species, as well as causal links between their perturbation and the observed phenotypes (e.g., via rescue and deeper characterization of 3′UTR elements), remain to be fully established.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      There is evidence that some genes encode mRNAs from which separate processed transcripts may arise, separating the coding sequence (CDS) from the 3'-UTR, and with both mRNA elements remaining stable in the cell. However, the functional consequences of these mRNA fragments have not been firmly established. In the manuscript by Yang et al., the authors probe the mRNA domain architecture of Nanog in the context of embryonic stem cell colonies and blastocysts. The authors detect spatial separation of Nanog CDS-containing mRNA from abundant Nanog 3'-UTR RNAs depending on the cell position in 2D embryonic stem cell colonies or in blastocysts.

      Strengths:

      The phenotypic analyses of the Nanog mRNA hold promise for revealing distinct roles for the Nanog encoded protein and a separate RNA encompassing the Nanog 3'-UTR.

      Weaknesses:

      There are a number of questions about the molecular nature of the mRNA species that the authors should address in order for the results to be firmly established, as noted below.

      (1) It is not clear how the authors verified that their probes are specific for Nanog CDS or 3'-UTR regions. Especially for the 3'-UTR probe, it is confusing why colonies show green only regions, suggesting only the CDS is present. I would expect the CDS and 3'-UTR probes to colocalize in the interior cells. Is it possible that the 3'-UTR probe is targeting another RNA?

      (2) It would help for the authors to include a graphic similar to Figure 3, Figure Supplement 1A, that diagrams the location of the CDS and 3'-UTR probes (this should also be done for Oct4 and Sox2). This graphic could also show all potential polyadenylation signals.

      (3) I think, based on the fluorescence patterns, there is evidence that the signal for the Nanog 3'-UTR probe is nuclear (images with DAPI staining), but this is not commented on that I could find. This should be discussed, as nuclear retention has implications for the noncoding function of the 3'-UTR fragment.

      (4) Figure 2, Figure Supplement 1A needs a better explanation. It's not clear how the reads map to the different regions of the Nanog mature mRNA. The authors should show examples at different ratios of CDS to 3'-UTR. Do the reads have a sharp boundary at the junction of where the isolated 3'-UTR is thought to occur?

      (5) I looked in the Zenbu browser at human NANOG CAGE mapping in the FANTOM5 dataset. I could not see evidence for substantial capping of a 3'-UTR fragment when filtering for embryonic cell types. Given the strong signal for the 3'-UTR in border cells, I would expect to see evidence for capping if the RNA were indeed capped. This suggests that if it exists, it is likely uncapped and (as noted in point 3) is likely nuclear retained.

      (6) Are there predicted polyadenylation signals near the end of the CDS that would generate a short 3'-UTR, and are these signals conserved across mammals?

      (7) It would help to see a zoomed-in view of the region targeted by one of the guide RNAs in the 3'-UTR, and where that site is relative to the polyadenylation signal. Is the polyadenylation signal upstream, i.e., CDS proximal?

      (8) A final note, the use of green and red together will be challenging for those who are colorblind. Providing a different false color palette would be helpful.

      I am refraining from comments on the cell biology and morphological insights, as they are remote from my core expertise.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript shows that the coding sequence (CDS) and 3' untranslated region (3'UTR) of mRNA transcripts from the Nanog gene have distinct expression patterns and functions. In both human and mouse embryonic stem cells colonies and blastocysts, these domains are spatially segregated, with 3'UTR-enriched cells occupying the borders and CDS-enriched cells residing in the interior. CDS mRNA expression is correlated with the expected regulation of transcription and epigenetics associated with the Nanog protein. Interestingly, expression of the 3'UTR appears to play an independent role in cell behavior and colony morphogenesis. Indeed, deletion of the 3'UTR causes specific defects in cell spreading and protrusive activity, with alteration in the localization of adhesion and cytoskeleton-associated proteins. Remarkably, a large proportion of those defects are rescued upon ROCK inhibition. Deletion of either Nanog CDS or 3'UTR leads to distinct modifications in the differentiation competence.

      Strengths:

      The independent role of 3'UTR mRNA domains, although identified in neurosciences a couple of years ago, is a novel and exciting field relatively unexplored in early development.

      The manuscript offers a multilayer series of experiments, in ES cells colony, blastocysts, and embryoid bodies, including imaging, -omics, genetic and pharmacological challenges, and differentiation experiments, thereby unveiling very convincingly the role of Nanog 3'UTR in morphogenesis.

      Weaknesses:

      The pathways leading to the generation of those distinct transcript domains are unknown. Although the functional differential roles are well demonstrated, whether the expression patterns are a cause or a consequence of the cells' localisation in the embryo remains to be explored.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, Yang et al reported distinct functions of the protein-coding sequence (CDS) and the 3' untranslated region (UTR) in the Nanog mRNA in pluripotent stem cells. They first observed different localization patterns for the CDS and 3' UTR in embryonic stem cells and in blastocyst embryos, and this pattern correlates with cell populations in different pluripotent states based on single-cell sequencing data. To characterize the potentially distinct functions of these regions, the authors generated knockout (KO) cell lines in which either the CDS or the 3' UTR was genetically ablated. These deletions led to different phenotypes in multiple assays. These results provided evidence that the CDS and 3' UTR of an mRNA could have distinct functions. Although these results are potentially interesting, several questions need to be addressed before the validity of their conclusion can be confirmed.

      Strengths:

      This study provides evidence for distinct functions of the protein-coding sequence and 3' untranslated region of an mRNA in pluripotent stem cells. The concept could be more broadly applied.

      Weaknesses:

      The initial observation (distinct localization of CDS and 3' UTRs) and the causal relationship between the KO and phenotype need further validation.

      Major points:

      (1) The authors showed distinct localization patterns of the CDS and 3' UTRs in human and mouse ESCs and blastocysts, and the overlap between their signals was minimal (Figure 1). Does this mean that the CDS and 3' UTR RNAs exist separately? For example, in cells that only showed signals for 3' UTRs, do these RNAs only contain 3' UTRs and lack CDS? Was this confirmed by RNA-seq experiments? If so, how are they generated (i.e., by transcription from a novel promoter or partial degradation of the full-length mRNAs)? This is a key question. Without a clear characterization of these RNAs, the rest of the study cannot be substantiated.

      (2) To confirm that the phenotypes of CDS or 3' UTR KO cells were caused by the deleted regions instead of other artifacts, rescue experiments should be performed.

      (3) As over-expression of the 3' UTR showed a phenotype, important regions within it should be identified, and also the possibility that the 3' UTR contains open reading frame(s) and is translated should be tested.

    5. Author response:

      eLife Assessment

      This study provides fundamental insights by demonstrating that the Nanog mRNA coding sequence (CDS) and 3′UTR domains are spatially segregated and functionally distinct in pluripotent stem cells and blastocysts, with 3′UTR-enriched border cells primarily influencing morphogenesis and CDS-enriched inner cells largely regulating transcription and epigenetic programs. The work opens a novel conceptual avenue for understanding how separable mRNA domains can differentially control cell behavior and differentiation. However, the evidence is incomplete, as key aspects of the molecular nature, biogenesis, and precise characterization of the separated 3′UTR and CDS RNA species, as well as causal links between their perturbation and the observed phenotypes (e.g., via rescue and deeper characterization of 3′UTR elements), remain to be fully established.

      We thank the editors and the three reviewers for their careful and constructive engagement with our manuscript. We greatly appreciate the reviewers’ recognition of the conceptual significance of the study and their thoughtful suggestions for strengthening the mechanistic and molecular characterization of the work. We have carefully considered all points raised and outline below the revisions planned for the revised manuscript.

      The phenomenon of differential CDS and 3’UTR expression is not unique to Nanog. Independent 3’UTR and CDS expression and differential CDS/3’UTR usage has been observed across multiple genes, tissues, and developmental contexts, including genome-wide (Mercer et al., 2011) and transcriptome scale studies (Kocabas et al., 2025, Ji et al., 2021). Prior studies have proposed that isolated 3’UTRs may arise through regulated RNA processing pathways coupled to exonucleolytic degradation and, in some cases, recapping mechanisms (Malka et al, 2017, Haberman et al., 2024). While the precise molecular mechanisms underlying isolated Nanog CDS and 3’UTR generation remain unresolved, our observations (contained here) support regulated RNA processing models. Our original submission included a brief discussion of this topic; however the revised manuscript will include substantially expanded analyses and discussion of the generation of isolated Nanog CDS and 3’UTR species.

      The revised manuscript will address the major concerns regarding:

      (1) The molecular nature, biogenesis, and precise characterization of the separated 3′UTR and CDS mRNA species

      (2) The causal relationship between perturbation of these RNA species and the observed phenotypes, including additional rescue experiments and deeper computational characterization of putative, functional 3′UTR elements.

      Specifically:

      (A) New supplementary analyses and schematics designed to further clarify the conceptual and mechanistic framework of the study, including:

      (i) Computational examination of the Nanog 3’UTR across all reading frames for open reading frames (ORFs).

      (ii) As suggested by Reviewers 1 and 3, single cell traces of Nanog mRNA expression from the full-length mESC dataset used in this study, illustrating distinct transcript isoforms and CDS/3’UTR expression patterns across individual cells, complementing the color-coded tSNE analyses currently presented in Fig. 2.

      (iii) Expanded schematic model and analyses addressing possible mechanisms underlying the generation of isolated Nanog CDS and 3’UTR enriched RNA species, including transcript architecture, predicted RNA structural barriers, and exonucleolytic processing models.

      (iv) Expanded discussion of the predominantly nuclear localization of the Nanog 3’UTR signal and its implications for transcript biogenesis, processing, and potential noncoding functions.

      (B) Correction of all minor labeling errors.

      (C) Additional experimental analyses, including:

      - Expansion of Nanog 3’UTR overexpression and rescue experiments to include cell spreading assays.

      - Expanded analysis of the effects of ROCK pathway inhibitors on colony morphology and cytoskeletal organization.

      - Examination of the ability of ROCK inhibition to restore normal embryoid body formation.

      Collectively, these planned revisions are intended to strengthen the mechanistic framing, molecular characterization, and broader significance of the study while clarifying the interpretation and scope of the conclusions.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      There is evidence that some genes encode mRNAs from which separate processed transcripts may arise, separating the coding sequence (CDS) from the 3'-UTR, and with both mRNA elements remaining stable in the cell. However, the functional consequences of these mRNA fragments have not been firmly established. In the manuscript by Yang et al., the authors probe the mRNA domain architecture of Nanog in the context of embryonic stem cell colonies and blastocysts. The authors detect spatial separation of Nanog CDS-containing mRNA from abundant Nanog 3'-UTR RNAs depending on the cell position in 2D embryonic stem cell colonies or in blastocysts.

      Strengths:

      The phenotypic analyses of the Nanog mRNA hold promise for revealing distinct roles for the Nanog encoded protein and a separate RNA encompassing the Nanog 3'-UTR.

      Weaknesses:

      There are a number of questions about the molecular nature of the mRNA species that the authors should address in order for the results to be firmly established, as noted below.

      (1) It is not clear how the authors verified that their probes are specific for Nanog CDS or 3'-UTR regions. Especially for the 3'-UTR probe, it is confusing why colonies show green only regions, suggesting only the CDS is present. I would expect the CDS and 3'-UTR probes to colocalize in the interior cells. Is it possible that the 3'-UTR probe is targeting another RNA?

      We thank the reviewer for raising the important question of probe specificity. We realize that the data that underlying this concern is the absence of colocalizing between CDS and 3’UTR probes in colony border cells.

      The absence of CDS/3’UTR colocalization in colony border cells is not due to probe failure but instead reflects the principal observation underlying the study. If Nanog CDS and 3’UTR sequences were present exclusively as intact full-length transcripts in a strict stoichiometric ratio, Nanog positive cells would be expected to be positive for both probes (appearing yellow). Instead, border cells exhibit strong 3’UTR signal with minimal or absent CDS signal, while adjacent interior cells show the opposite pattern.

      The fact that both probes robustly detect signal within the same sample but in spatially distinct cell populations, argues that both probes are functional and that the observed differential localization reflects genuine biological differences in levels of transcript components.

      The CDS probe targets ~300 bp within the coding region, while the 3’UTR probe targets ~300 bp within the proximal region of the Nanog 3’UTR. Hybridization specificity was validated as described in the Methods and in our previous studies (Kocabas et al 2015; Ji et al 2021), including negative controls. We additionally now provide a supplemental figure (New Figure 1-figure supplement 2A), highlighting that the Nanog 3’UTR and CDS probes label cell populations distinct from each other, further indicating their specificity.

      In addition, full-length scRNA seq datasets from both mouse and human ESCs demonstrate differential CDS/3’UTR expression patterns for Nanog and many other genes. To further clarify this point, the revised manuscript will include single cell transcript traces from mESCs illustrating the distinct Nanog isoforms detected across individual cells (New Figure 2-figure supplement 1A)

      (2) It would help for the authors to include a graphic similar to Figure 3, Figure Supplement 1A, that diagrams the location of the CDS and 3'-UTR probes (this should also be done for Oct4 and Sox2). This graphic could also show all potential polyadenylation signals.

      We agree that additional schematic clarification would improve readability. The revised manuscript will include schematics showing the locations of the CDS and 3’UTR probes for Nanog, Sox2 and Oct4 (New Fig. 1- figure supplement 1A).

      (3) I think, based on the fluorescence patterns, there is evidence that the signal for the Nanog 3'-UTR probe is nuclear (images with DAPI staining), but this is not commented on that I could find. This should be discussed, as nuclear retention has implications for the noncoding function of the 3'-UTR fragment.

      The reviewer is correct that the Nanog 3’UTR signal mostly nuclear. Whie this was noted in (the original) Figure 1-figure supplement 2A, we agree that it is possible that mechanistic and functional implications were not sufficiently discussed in the original manuscript. The revised manuscript will include expanded discussion of the relationship between nuclear localization transcript processing, and potential noncoding functions of isolated Nanog 3’UTR species

      (4) Figure 2, Figure Supplement 1A needs a better explanation. It's not clear how the reads map to the different regions of the Nanog mature mRNA. The authors should show examples at different ratios of CDS to 3'-UTR. Do the reads have a sharp boundary at the junction of where the isolated 3'-UTR is thought to occur?

      We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. The revised manuscript will include new single cell read maps across the Nanog locus from full length mESC scRNA-seq datasets (New Figure 2-figure supplement 1A), illustrating distinct CDS enriched and 3’UTR enriched transcript isoforms across individual cells.

      These analyses indicate that some CDS dominant transcripts contain 3’UTR sequence, while many appear to contain little or no detectable 3’UTR sequence. Conversely, many 3’UTR enriched transcripts contain only minimal or truncated CDS sequence. Importantly full CDS and 3’UTR mRNA components are frequently not present in a strict 1:1 ratio, either within individual cells, or across cell populations.

      The revised manuscript will also include expanded supplementary analyses integrating transcript architecture, predicted RNA structural barriers, polyadenylation analysis, and single cell coverage patterns to further examine possible mechanisms underlying the generation of isolated Nanog CDS and 3’UTR species (New Figure 2-figure supplement 1B,C).

      (5) I looked in the Zenbu browser at human NANOG CAGE mapping in the FANTOM5 dataset. I could not see evidence for substantial capping of a 3'-UTR fragment when filtering for embryonic cell types. Given the strong signal for the 3'-UTR in border cells, I would expect to see evidence for capping if the RNA were indeed capped. This suggests that if it exists, it is likely uncapped and (as noted in point 3) is likely nuclear retained.

      Prior studies have reported isolated uncapped and recapped 3’UTR species in multiple systems (Malka et al, 2017; Haberman et al, 2024). We agree that the predominantly nuclear localization and lack of a strong CAGE signal for Nanog are important observations and will expand discussion of these points in the revised manuscript.

      (6) Are there predicted polyadenylation signals near the end of the CDS that would generate a short 3'-UTR, and are these signals conserved across mammals?

      Computational analysis of the mouse Nanog 3'UTR identifies a single canonical PAS (AATAAA) at position 1074, located at the 3’ end of the annotated 3’UTR and this terminal PAS is conserved across mammals. These analyses will be included as a supplementary figure and discussed further in the revised manuscript section addressing Nanog transcript biogenesis.

      (7) It would help to see a zoomed-in view of the region targeted by one of the guide RNAs in the 3'-UTR, and where that site is relative to the polyadenylation signal. Is the polyadenylation signal upstream, i.e., CDS proximal?

      This will be provided in the revised manuscript (New Figure 2-figure supplement 1C,i) Two guide RNAs were used to generate the Nanog 3’UTR deletions. The downstream guide is upstream of the terminal polyadenylation signal at nt 1074 to preserve polyadenylation of the remaining Nanog CDS containing transcript.

      Consistent with this, all Nanog 3’UTR knockout lines retain normal Nanog protein levels. The revised manuscript will include supplementary schematics showing guide RNA positions relative to the CDS, 3’UTR probes, and terminal PAS.

      (8) A final note, the use of green and red together will be challenging for those who are colorblind. Providing a different false color palette would be helpful. 

      We appreciate this attention to accessibly. The red/green color combination was chosen to provide the highest contrast between CDS and 3’UTR signals in the in situ hybridization experiments, which is important for visualizing their differential spatial localization. We will ensure that figure legends clearly indicate channel assignments throughout the manuscript.

      I am refraining from comments on the cell biology and morphological insights, as they are remote from my core expertise.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This manuscript shows that the coding sequence (CDS) and 3' untranslated region (3'UTR) of mRNA transcripts from the Nanog gene have distinct expression patterns and functions. In both human and mouse embryonic stem cells colonies and blastocysts, these domains are spatially segregated, with 3'UTR-enriched cells occupying the borders and CDS-enriched cells residing in the interior. CDS mRNA expression is correlated with the expected regulation of transcription and epigenetics associated with the Nanog protein. Interestingly, expression of the 3'UTR appears to play an independent role in cell behavior and colony morphogenesis. Indeed, deletion of the 3'UTR causes specific defects in cell spreading and protrusive activity, with alteration in the localization of adhesion and cytoskeleton-associated proteins. Remarkably, a large proportion of those defects are rescued upon ROCK inhibition. Deletion of either Nanog CDS or 3'UTR leads to distinct modifications in the differentiation competence.

      Strengths:

      The independent role of 3'UTR mRNA domains, although identified in neurosciences a couple of years ago, is a novel and exciting field relatively unexplored in early development.

      The manuscript offers a multilayer series of experiments, in ES cells colony, blastocysts, and embryoid bodies, including imaging, -omics, genetic and pharmacological challenges, and differentiation experiments, thereby unveiling very convincingly the role of Nanog 3'UTR in morphogenesis.

      Weaknesses:

      The pathways leading to the generation of those distinct transcript domains are unknown. Although the functional differential roles are well demonstrated whether the expression patterns are a cause or a consequence of the cells' localization in the embryo remains to be explored.

      We thank the reviewer for these thoughtful comments and for recognizing the potential significance of independent 3’UTR functions in early developmental systems.

      Regarding the mechanisms underlying generation of distinct CDS and 3’UTR transcript domains, the revised manuscript will include new supplementary analyses and schematic models addressing possible Nanog transcript processing pathways, as outlined above.

      We agree that the relation between spatial location and Nanog 3’UTR expression is an important question. Specifically, it remains unclear whether cells first acquire high Nanog 3’UTR expression and subsequently localize to the colony border or whether border position itself promotes high Nanog 3’UTR expression.

      Our current data suggest that both processes may contribute. Deletion of the Nanog 3’UTR does not prevent colonies from establishing border/interior pattern, indicating that high Nanog 3’UTR is not strictly required for border pattern itself. At the same time, Nanog 3’UTR overexpression and rescue experiments increased the likelihood of border localization, suggesting that elevated Nanog 3’UTR expression promotes behaviors associated with border occupancy.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, Yang et al reported distinct functions of the protein-coding sequence (CDS) and the 3' untranslated region (UTR) in the Nanog mRNA in pluripotent stem cells. They first observed different localization patterns for the CDS and 3' UTR in embryonic stem cells and in blastocyst embryos, and this pattern correlates with cell populations in different pluripotent states based on single-cell sequencing data. To characterize the potentially distinct functions of these regions, the authors generated knockout (KO) cell lines in which either the CDS or the 3' UTR was genetically ablated. These deletions led to different phenotypes in multiple assays. These results provided evidence that the CDS and 3' UTR of an mRNA could have distinct functions. Although these results are potentially interesting, several questions need to be addressed before the validity of their conclusion can be confirmed.

      Strengths:

      This study provides evidence for distinct functions of the protein-coding sequence and 3' untranslated region of an mRNA in pluripotent stem cells. The concept could be more broadly applied.

      Weaknesses:

      The initial observation (distinct localization of CDS and 3' UTRs) and the causal relationship between the KO and phenotype need further validation.

      Major points:

      (1) The authors showed distinct localization patterns of the CDS and 3' UTRs in human and mouse ESCs and blastocysts, and the overlap between their signals was minimal (Figure 1). Does this mean that the CDS and 3' UTR RNAs exist separately? For example, in cells that only showed signals for 3' UTRs, do these RNAs only contain 3' UTRs and lack CDS? Was this confirmed by RNA-seq experiments? If so, how are they generated (i.e., by transcription from a novel promoter or partial degradation of the full-length mRNAs)? This is a key question. Without a clear characterization of these RNAs, the rest of the study cannot be substantiated.

      We thank the reviewer for raising this important question, which overlaps substantially with several key points raised by Reviewer #1 concerning the molecular nature and characterization of the Nanog CDS and 3’UTR species.

      Colony border cells exhibit strong Nanog 3’UTR signal with minimal detectable CDS signal, while adjacent interior cells show the reciprocal pattern. These observations strongly suggest the existence of distinct Nanog transcript species rather than exclusively full-length transcripts containing stoichiometric amounts of both CDS and 3’UTR sequence.

      This conclusion is independently supported by full-length Smart-seq2 scRNA seq datasets from both mouse and human ESCs, which provide transcript coverage across both CDS and 3’UTR regions.

      (2) To confirm that the phenotypes of CDS or 3' UTR KO cells were caused by the deleted regions instead of other artifacts, rescue experiments should be performed.

      Rescue experiments were included in the original submission (Fig. 4). The revised manuscript will expand these analyses to include cell spreading. We will also include additional ROCK pathway modulation experiments.

      (3) As over-expression of the 3' UTR showed a phenotype, important regions within it should be identified, and also the possibility that the 3' UTR contains open reading frame(s) and is translated should be tested.

      The revised manuscript will also include supplementary computational analyses of the Nanog 3’UTR, including open reading frame prediction, Kozak scoring, and evolutionary conservation analysis. (New Figure 2-figure supplement 1B). These analyses identify no evidence for strongly supported coding potential within the 3’UTR. Further, isolated Nanog 3’UTR transcripts are largely confined to the nucleus, making active translation unlikely.

      The revised manuscript will include new supplementary analyses addressing Nanog transcript structure and possible biogenesis mechanisms (New Figure 2-figure supplement 1C).

      References:

      ViennaRNA/RNA fold – Lorenz et al 2011 Algorithms Mol Biol 6:26- RNA Secondary Structure stem loop, minimum free energy (MFE) prediction

      NCBI BLASTP- Altschul et al (1990) J Mol Biol 215:403- ORF conservation, protein sequence similarity search

      NCBI Entrez/Biohthon- Cock et al (2009) Bioinformatics 25:1422- sequence retrieval

      PhastCons/UCSC multiz alignments- Siepel et al (2005) Genome Res 15:1034- evolutionary conservation scoring

      UCSC Genome Browser- Kent et al. (2002) Genome Res 12:996-1006- conservation track access

      Eaton et al (2020) Mol Cell 78:439- Stall model

      Brannan et al (2012) Genes Dev 26:2621-Stall model

      Addition to Methods.

      ORFs (≥10 amino acids) were identified in all three forward frames according to Kozak (1987). Evolutionary conservation was assessed by BLASTP (Altschul et al., 1990) against RefSeq proteins. Poly(A) signals were identified by pattern matching for canonical and non-canonical hexamers. Conserved sequence blocks were obtained from UCSC PhastCons tracks (Siepel et al., 2005). RNA secondary structures were predicted using ViennaRNA RNAfold (Lorenz et al., 2011) with a sliding 80-nt window. The stall model for isolated transcript generation follows Eaton et al. (2020).

    1. eLife Assessment

      There is a need for better and safer dengue virus live attenuated vaccines. This manuscript describes important findings that could lead to the design of a strongly immunogenic, tetravalent live attenuated vaccine for dengue, without the risk of causing antibody-dependent enhancement. However, the experimental evidence presented is incomplete since only constructions of one serotype were tested to prove the principle.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Dalben et al. grafted the fusion loop mature (FLM) modification, based on a previously reported D2-FLM, to another serotype DENV4, and adapted them to replicate in Vero cells for live attenuated vaccine (LAV) manufacturing while retaining favorable antigenic profiles, generating two new strains: D2-vFLM and D4-vFLM. Deep sequencing revealed adapted mutations at the junction of envelope domains I and II (EDI and EDII), and both D2-vFLM and D4-vFLM showed no evidence of ADE in the presence of FL-targeting Abs. Sera from D2-vFLM immunized mice displayed strong homotypic and reduced heterotypic neutralization compared to wild-type viruses, with minimal to no ADE potential in vitro. Moreover, D2-vFLM immunization completely protected AG129 mice from lethal challenge with mouse-adapted D220. They demonstrate that the FLM modification platform is transferable across serotypes and yields strains with favorable immunogenicity and reduced ADE risk. The FLM approach provides a promising path toward the development of a safer tetravalent DENV LAV.

      Strengths:

      The authors carried out a series of experiments to generate and characterize two new strains (D2-vFLM and D4-vFLM) of FLM-modified viruses, and showed their antigenic and immunogenic profiles. The observation that the FLM modification platform is transferable across serotypes and yields strains with favorable immunogenicity and reduced ADE risk is interesting.

      Weaknesses:

      However, one concern is the total number of mutations (including originally introduced and compensatory mutations) in this FLM vaccine platform, and it is not clear regarding the future directions for the proof-of-concept vaccine in this study.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, YR Dalben et al describe the generation of DENV2 and DENV4 strains with mutations in the fusion loop (FL) of the E protein and pre-membrane (prM) protein to limit potential antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) resulting from vaccination with live-attenuated vaccines and adapted these strains for growth in Vero cells. They show that the DENV2 version D2-vFLM is immunogenic and generates neutralizing serum against DENV2 and DENV4 after 2 boosts and is protective against lethal challenge. Serum from D2-vFLM also showed no ADE against DENV4.

      Strengths:

      Overall, the paper is well written and presented, and the data presented support most of the conclusions made. Grafting D2-FLM mutations to DENV4 and adapting both to growth in Vero cells is a good step to show that this method could be used to generate production-level LAV. The growth and stability data are clear and well-conducted.

      Weaknesses:

      However, there are several weaknesses, mostly in regard to the immunogenicity data, that limit the overall impact. The FLM mutations were only grafted to DENV4 but not to the other Dengue serotypes. The authors acknowledge that this is a proof-of-concept, but generating mutants of the other serotypes would strengthen the idea that this could be used to develop a tetravalent LAV. Immunizations in mice were only performed for D2-vFLM but not D4-vFLM. Immunogenicity data for D4-vFLM would strengthen this work if it shows that it can be immunogenic, protective, and limit ADE, as is shown for D2-vFLM. ADE from D2-vFLM was only tested against DENV4; does it also limit ADE from the other serotypes? This would better show that these mutations do limit ADE across serotypes and not just a single one.

      Additionally, some of the immunization data likely need to be repeated:

      The authors should describe why they pooled the sera from the mice and whether they purified total IgG or not (Figure 5). They should also probably repeat the challenge experiment since it was 4 mice (D2) against 5 (D2-vFLM), and it is unclear if there is a statistical difference between the results obtained. It is not even mentioned in the Results section (D2 result vs D2-FLM), and thus unclear if using D2-FLM is an improvement in the way the data is currently presented.

    4. Author response:

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      Dalben et al. grafted the fusion loop mature (FLM) modification, based on a previously reported D2-FLM, to another serotype DENV4, and adapted them to replicate in Vero cells for live attenuated vaccine (LAV) manufacturing while retaining favorable antigenic profiles, generating two new strains: D2-vFLM and D4-vFLM. Deep sequencing revealed adapted mutations at the junction of envelope domains I and II (EDI and EDII), and both D2-vFLM and D4-vFLM showed no evidence of ADE in the presence of FL-targeting Abs. Sera from D2-vFLM immunized mice displayed strong homotypic and reduced heterotypic neutralization compared to wild-type viruses, with minimal to no ADE potential in vitro. Moreover, D2-vFLM immunization completely protected AG129 mice from lethal challenge with mouse-adapted D220. They demonstrate that the FLM modification platform is transferable across serotypes and yields strains with favorable immunogenicity and reduced ADE risk. The FLM approach provides a promising path toward the development of a safer tetravalent DENV LAV.

      Strengths:

      The authors carried out a series of experiments to generate and characterize two new strains (D2-vFLM and D4-vFLM) of FLM-modified viruses, and showed their antigenic and immunogenic profiles. The observation that the FLM modification platform is transferable across serotypes and yields strains with favorable immunogenicity and reduced ADE risk is interesting.

      We thank reviewer 1 for the encouraging comments for our work.

      Weaknesses:

      However, one concern is the total number of mutations (including originally introduced and compensatory mutations) in this FLM vaccine platform, and it is not clear regarding the future directions for the proof-of-concept vaccine in this study.

      Author response table 1.

      We summarize the mutations in the FLM platform below.

      The maturation mutations are located at the furin cleavage site, which is buried within the membrane or virion. As a result, only five mutations are surface exposed, two of which are in the fusion loop region targeted for removal. Therefore, for a proof-of-concept study, the total number of mutations remains well within the genetic diversity observed among DENV genotypes.

      Compensatory mutations may affect overall DENV antigenicity. Notably, one such mutation, K204R, has been reported to alter antigenicity and could contribute to the improved safety profile of the vaccine. However, we have also shown that multiple adaptive pathways can support Vero cell adaptation, and our data indicate that K204R is not absolutely required for this process.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      In this manuscript, YR Dalben et al describe the generation of DENV2 and DENV4 strains with mutations in the fusion loop (FL) of the E protein and pre-membrane (prM) protein to limit potential antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) resulting from vaccination with live-attenuated vaccines and adapted these strains for growth in Vero cells. They show that the DENV2 version D2-vFLM is immunogenic and generates neutralizing serum against DENV2 and DENV4 after 2 boosts and is protective against lethal challenge. Serum from D2-vFLM also showed no ADE against DENV4.

      Strengths:

      Overall, the paper is well written and presented, and the data presented support most of the conclusions made. Grafting D2-FLM mutations to DENV4 and adapting both to growth in Vero cells is a good step to show that this method could be used to generate production-level LAV. The growth and stability data are clear and well-conducted.

      We thank reviewer 2 for the encouraging comments for our work.

      Weaknesses:

      However, there are several weaknesses, mostly in regard to the immunogenicity data, that limit the overall impact. The FLM mutations were only grafted to DENV4 but not to the other Dengue serotypes. The authors acknowledge that this is a proof-of-concept, but generating mutants of the other serotypes would strengthen the idea that this could be used to develop a tetravalent LAV.

      We selected DENV2 and DENV4 because they are the most genetically divergent. Currently, our data should support the FLM mutations that can be grafted on both DENV2 and DENV4, likely extend to their corresponding genotypes. We agree that the FLM mutations should be evaluated in additional serotypes. We also have promising preliminary data for FLM mutation grafting in DENV1 and are currently applying the same approach to DENV3. We hope to include these results, whether positive or negative, in the revised manuscript.

      Immunizations in mice were only performed for D2-vFLM but not D4-vFLM. Immunogenicity data for D4-vFLM would strengthen this work if it shows that it can be immunogenic, protective, and limit ADE, as is shown for D2-vFLM.

      We are currently immunizing AG129 mice with DV4 and D4-vFLM, followed by heterotypic challenge with D220. Because DENV vaccine-related hospitalization in clinical trials typically occurs 3 - 4 years after vaccination, we are cautious about whether this experimental design will fully capture the added safety benefit of the FLM mutations. We are also developing a passive immunization model in AG129 mice using diluted DENV4 serum to better mimic long-term waning antibody titers. We will include the future findings in the revised manuscript.

      ADE from D2-vFLM was only tested against DENV4; does it also limit ADE from the other serotypes? This would better show that these mutations do limit ADE across serotypes and not just a single one.

      We are trying to keep the scope of the paper within DENV2 and DENV4, however, we will perform ADE and neutralization assays for all four serotypes in the revised manuscript.

      Additionally, some of the immunization data likely need to be repeated:

      The authors should describe why they pooled the sera from the mice and whether they purified total IgG or not (Figure 5).

      We used pooled serum, consisting of equal volumes from each mouse, rather than purified IgG. In Figure 5, our goal was to show the overall increase in serum titer after each immunization using cheek-bleed samples from individual animals. Because the available sample volume was limited, we pooled the sera for this analysis. We also measured end-point serum titers for each individual animal.

      They should also probably repeat the challenge experiment since it was 4 mice (D2) against 5 (D2-vFLM), and it is unclear if there is a statistical difference between the results obtained. It is not even mentioned in the Results section (D2 result vs D2-FLM), and thus unclear if using D2-FLM is an improvement in the way the data is currently presented.

      This experiment was designed to determine whether D2-vFLM protects AG129 mice against homotypic challenge as effectively as DV2-WT. Although the sample size was small, the results support our conclusion. However, we agree with the reviewer that the study should include more animals, and we will increase the group size to n > 8 to 10 in the revised experiment.

    1. eLife Assessment

      The authors propose a "simplified" model for intrinsically bursting neurons with explicitly controllable parameterization of oscillatory dynamics. The evidence that the modeling approach is generally appropriate and practical for modeling rhythmic bursting neurons and neural circuits is currently incomplete. Based on what the authors present, this model appears to have limited neurobiological relevance and utility but may be useful as a controller for an artificial system, such as in neuro-robotics applications.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors present a simplified neural bursting model with explicitly controllable parameterization of oscillator dynamics designed for neural circuit modeling involved in rhythm generation.

      Strengths:

      (1) The purpose of the model and applied abstractions are well articulated and justified (2D model, independent parameter control).

      (2) Explicit control of burst duration, inter-burst interval, amplitude, resetting-behavior/entrainment. This allows modelers to focus on circuit interactions and is especially useful when details of intrinsic currents and bursting mechanisms are unknown. One could even imagine a scenario where this model would help identify predictions on key underlying burst generation mechanisms.

      (3) The model is well described and validated with simulations and comparisons to the base model and one alternative model.

      (4) Circuit-level validation is convincing, as it reproduces not only trivial examples.

      (5) The underlying mechanism in phase space is well reasoned and justified, extends previous work, e.g., by McKean, by improving usability.

      Weaknesses:

      (1) The paper heavily relies on numerical demonstrations but does not provide a formal analysis of stability, bifurcations, or entrainment. While appropriate for the intended purposes, a more formal footing could strengthen the model.

      (2) Lots of nice demonstrations are shown, but it is less clear how model parameterization was chosen, how behavior depends on parameterization, and in what parameter ranges certain behavior can be expected. A more detailed description of parameterization/exploration of parameter space would greatly benefit anyone using this model in the future.

      (3) Some claims on reproduction of prior locomotor CPG model and production of "more biologically realistic activity" by the presented model are overstated. The key feature of the locomotor CPG models cited was that they not only reproduced speed-dependent gait expression of intact mice, but also changes of gait expression after silencing/removal of specific commissural and long propriospinal interneurons (e.g., selective loss of trot after deleting of V0V; changes in gait expression and step-to-step variability after silencing of descending long-propriospinal neurons or ascending V3 LPNs). While likely (at least partially) feasible with the model formulation, the correspondence of these silencing/ablation of neuron classes has not been shown by the model. Importantly, though, it appears that authors didn't show how the model in general behaves under the influence of noise, which is key to reproducing LPN silencing.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors propose a reduced model for intrinsically bursting neurons. The model simply consists of exponential decay of an adaptation variable in a phenomenological silent phase, an exponential growth of that variable in an active phase, and imposed thresholds for jumps between these phases, with some add-ons to allow for effects such as input-dependence.

      Strengths:

      The model could be used as a controller for an artificial system that needs to switch between on and off states with separate control of state durations. It has some flexibility to allow for variable levels of the activity variable during the active phase. The authors show that the model can be tuned to capture phase response properties of neurons and patterns generated by small networks of neurons.

      Weaknesses:

      The proposed approach lacks biological relevance, practicality, and originality.

      (1) Biological relevance:

      Central pattern generators and other bursting neurons use specific physical principles to generate their bursts of activity. These principles place constraints on the tuning of these bursts, including relationships between active and silent phase durations and other properties. By discarding these relationships, the proposed model risks losing key constraints that affect performance in biologically relevant scenarios. The proposed model does not allow for the emergence of interesting dynamical phenomena, which occur naturally in neurons and neuronal networks.

      It is also important to note that spikes within bursts can be important and of interest. Biophysical models allow for easy extension to include spikes via fast sodium and potassium currents. The proposed model does not allow for such extensibility.

      Finally, as shown in the seminal early-2000s work of Izhikevich, building on fast-slow decomposition work by Rinzel and others, there is a wide variety of possible neuronal bursting patterns. At the very least, several of these have been observed in neuronal recordings. The authors' model is specific to square-wave bursting.

      (2) Practicality:

      The model makes use of various cut-off functions and other aspects that are implemented as rules. Combining rules with differential equations makes for an awkward modeling framework that is inconvenient to implement, conceptualize, and analyze (e.g., from a bifurcation perspective). Moreover, the authors add more and more adjustments to their basic framework to capture additional features, but these add-ons simply make the model more, and unnecessarily, complicated and awkward. It's worth noting that the authors argue for their model based on the idea that more biophysical models are difficult to tune, yet they compare their model to a biophysical one that they were able to tune to achieve the various patterns that they study. They do not give any indication of how easy or hard it was to tune their own model, nor do they compare simulation times between the two models. I do note that the biophysical model seems to have 22 parameters, whereas the simplified one has 21 in Table 2, which is essentially the same number. Finally, although the authors give some extensions of the model to match observed data, their model does not seem useful for predicting performance in never-before-tested scenarios.

      (3) Originality:

      As the authors note, the use of low-dimensional, specifically planar, neural models dates back to early authors such as FitzHugh and Nagumo. What the authors fail to acknowledge is that Rinzel, Terman, Kopell, and others did seminal work on neuronal activity, including phenomena such as post-inhibitory rebound and fast threshold modulation, using a relaxation oscillation framework, starting several decades ago. Their work included applications to central pattern generators (e.g., see Terman and collaborators on respiratory CPGs). It is astonishing that the authors don't seem to be aware of this work and do not mention it at all. Moreover, I don't see any advantage of the proposed framework over the earlier relaxation oscillator setting, where many important mechanistic principles have already been analyzed, including extensions to networks. On a related note, even through they propose a piecewise linear model, the authors do not cite the substantial existing work on piecewise linear models (e.g., Hahnloser, Neural Networks, 1998, for an early example; 2024 SIAM Review article by Coombes et al and references therein for much more) including work specifically on bursting, nor do they cite various other previous efforts to capture bursting with simplified models including work on piecewise linear maps by Aguirre et al.

    4. Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      This computational modeling study introduces the methodology of replacing bursting neurons in a model circuit with a simplified piecewise-linear model with an "active" and a "quiet" state representing, respectively, the burst of spikes and the inter-burst interval. The shape of the active state loosely represents the intra-burst firing rate. Because (piecewise) linear systems are explicitly solvable, the transitions from quiet to active and vice versa can be calculated explicitly to match exactly what a biophysically realistic model or a biological neuron does in different conditions. The base piecewise-linear model is built to represent a 2D biophysical neuron with a cubic v-nullcline. The simplicity of the model allows for matching the kinetics of more complex models with a tractable simplified set of equations, as exemplified by approximations of burst duration and amplitude, phase-response curves, entrainment, and, finally, mimicking the activities of two CPG circuit models using this simplified representation.

      Major comments

      (1) The use of piecewise linear approximations to explicitly estimate properties of biophysical neurons is a well-known and common technique. This study adds nothing to the technique in terms of novelty.

      (2) Although the model explicitly matches active and inactive durations of a circuit neuron, the dynamics are explicitly "clamped" by the user because the reduced model parameters explicitly depend on the input. There are cases where this is useful, for example, when we are interested in the dynamics of _other_ neurons (B, C, D, ...) within the context of activity, and we "clamp" the dynamics of neuron A. One should note that this is no better than having a look-up table. Effectively, to give a comparison, it is like using a sine wave to represent a pacemaker neuron and explicitly define its frequency at different input levels so that it responds "dynamically". However, the neuron is restricted to what the user puts in, and therefore, calling it a dynamical system is entirely wrong. I am afraid that the use of this crude tool is not described well enough in the manuscript to warn a naïve user not to fall for this trap.

      (3) The phase resetting curves are used incorrectly. PRCs are useful when the perturbation is weak (soft), which would demonstrate the nature of the vector field near the limit cycle and therefore inform us of the nature of its stability or instability. A hard PRC would always reset the cycle to the fixed offset from the perturbation phase and is therefore uninformative in understanding dynamics. (It is, however, useful experimentally in identifying which neurons are part of the CPG.) The authors clearly know that the dynamics of the system away from the limit cycle do not conserve those of a biophysical neuron. So what is the point?

      (4) I work on the STG, one of the systems exemplified here. Even in the small and relatively regular CPGs of the STG, the definition of the active and quiet parts of a burst is often less clear than what the authors suggest. Bursting neurons often do multiple bursts in a cycle, and therefore, substituting the burst envelope is a subjective matter. This is even more problematic in bursting neurons in the brain, where there is often no quiet period. This should be discussed.

    5. Author response:

      We thank the editors and reviewers for their time and feedback. We are encouraged by the feedback that the purpose and abstractions of the model are well articulated and justified, that the explicit control of bursting characteristics is useful, and that the circuit-level validations are convincing.

      Before responding to individual reviewer comments, we would like to address the framing in the current assessment that the model "appears to have limited neurobiological relevance and utility but may be useful as a controller for an artificial system, such as in neuro-robotics applications." We respectfully suggest that this framing understates the model's relevance to neuroscience. Specifically, a growing body of literature aims to understand biological motor control by building embodied simulations. Yet, these simulations either use overly simple artificial neural network (ANN) units without dynamics or computationally intensive biophysical ones that are difficult to train. Our model is not intended as a biophysical account of how individual neurons generate bursts at the level of ionic mechanisms or spikes that goal is already well served by the conductance-based and reduced biophysical models we cite. Rather, its contribution is to make intrinsic bursting dynamics readily incorporable into neural circuit models that can be used in complex settings, with parameters that map directly onto quantities that circuit-level neuroscience most often measures and tunes in models (burst duration, duty cycle, amplitude, shape, input dependence). Indeed, Reviewer #1 notes that: "The purpose of the model and applied abstractions are well articulated and justified [...] This allows modelers to focus on circuit interactions and is especially useful when details of intrinsic currents and bursting mechanisms are unknown. One could even imagine a scenario where this model would help identify predictions on key underlying burst generation mechanisms."

      We see our work as a neuroscience contribution as much as a neuro-robotics one. Bringing tractable, controllable bursting into this regime allows circuit modelers to study how intrinsic bursting interacts with circuit connectivity without committing to specific biophysical mechanisms, and it lets ANN-style models incorporate a class of dynamics that is biologically pervasive but currently underrepresented. We validated the model against two well-studied biological CPGs (the crustacean pyloric circuit and the mammalian locomotor circuit) precisely because the target use case is biological circuit modeling.

      While we remain committed to the belief that bringing bio-inspired neurons with interpretable intrinsic dynamics into ANN-style modeling of biological control systems is a useful contribution as an eLife Methods paper, the reviews have made clear that we have not situated our work clearly enough within the literature. In revision, we will sharpen this positioning in the Introduction and Discussion, and better situate the model relative to both the long tradition of non-spiking relaxation-oscillator and piecewise-linear modeling in neuroscience and also to current trends in simulated control.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      (1) Formal analysis

      The paper heavily relies on numerical demonstrations but does not provide a formal analysis of stability, bifurcations, or entrainment. While appropriate for the intended purposes, a more formal footing could strengthen the model.

      We agree that a formal dynamical-systems treatment would deepen the work, and we appreciate the reviewer's acknowledgment that the numerical-only approach may nevertheless be appropriate for the intended purposes. Because the model is hybrid (continuous dynamics combined with discrete switching rules), a full formal analysis is non-trivial, and we view it as a substantial follow-up rather than something to fold into the present manuscript. In revision, we will discuss more explicitly the opportunities such formal analysis presents.

      (2) Parameter tuning and parameter-space characterization

      It is less clear how model parameterization was chosen, how behavior depends on parameterization, and in what parameter ranges certain behavior can be expected.

      We agree that this would substantially improve usability, and we will expand this aspect of the paper. The revision will include: (a) more details describing how parameters maps onto observable features of the bursting waveform, (b) recommended parameter ranges and the qualitative behaviors expected at their boundaries, and (c) practical guidance for tuning the model to match observations or embed into circuits.

      (3) Locomotor CPG interneuron ablation and noise

      The correspondence of these silencing/ablation of neuron classes has not been shown by the model. Importantly, though, it appears that authors didn't show how the model in general behaves under the influence of noise.

      The reviewer is right that the cited work establishes validity of the circuit model in large part through silencing/ablation experiments, and we did not reproduce those experiments. We understand those gait expression phenomena to be arising from non-bursting interneuron activations and a robust solution found for connection weights between them. The half-center bursting neurons only see a time-varying input signal, and their response is well-characterized by the constant, pulse, and periodic analyses we perform. As such, we chose to reproduce a few key experiments to retain a focus on our simplified neuron model. We will rephrase the relevant passages to make this scope explicit and ensure that our reproduction claims are appropriately stated. We will also expand on how the model interfaces with noise together with the proposed parameter-space characterization.

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      (1) Biological relevance

      Central pattern generators and other bursting neurons use specific physical principles to generate their bursts of activity. These principles place constraints on the tuning of these bursts, including relationships between active and silent phase durations and other properties. By discarding these relationships, the proposed model risks losing key constraints that affect performance in biologically relevant scenarios.

      We agree that biophysical models impose constraints that arise from underlying mechanisms. For instance, as input alters the curved shape of nullcline-v in Figure 1, the active/quite phase durations and duty cycle change in constrained ways. The question seems to be if our model is too flexible for instance, making it too easy to achieve desired phase durations, duty cycles, and other input-dependent responses. We see this as a valuable feature of our model, not a bug. Firstly, even if our model may be expressive enough to achieve a variety of response profiles (as in Figure 3—figure supplement 3), the careful modeler will ensure matching to experimental observations. Moreover, in many circuit systems, the relevant biophysical details are often unknown for the specific neurons being modeled as noted by Reviewer #1, and the modelers' primary goal is to reproduce circuit-level activity. Such can be achieved easily with a simplified model, and also with a biophysical model as data becomes available. Finally, we should note that modelers can and do tune the parameters of biophysical models within determined ranges in order to achieve desired phase durations and duty cycles, relaxing constraints somewhat in order to reproduce appropriate activity.

      It is also important to note that spikes within bursts can be important and of interest. [...] The authors' model is specific to square-wave bursting.

      We agree that spikes are important and interesting in many settings, and we believe that biophysical models would be most appropriate in these cases. In many cases, too, some abstraction and simplification is desirable, and this would not necessarily detract from the model's biological relevance. As we discuss in our high-level comments, we aim to bring intrinsic bursting dynamics into the ANN-style modeling regime that typically neglects intrinsic dynamics altogether. While the simplified model may be limited in some ways, it is nevertheless useful for many common biologically relevant scenarios, as validated by our circuit experiments. Finally, we would note that many of the raised limitations (no intra-burst spike structure, restricted bursting class, abstracted constraints) are shared by the relaxation-oscillator and piecewise-linear traditions that the reviewer cites approvingly, which suggests that our model lies along a familiar abstraction continuum rather than outside it. In revision, we will explicitly acknowledge that the model captures a basic/regular form of bursting within a broader taxonomy, and clarify the conditions under which abstracting the biophysical constraints is appropriate.

      (2) Practicality

      The model makes use of various cut-off functions and other aspects that are implemented as rules. Combining rules with differential equations makes for an awkward modeling framework

      On the modeling framework, we would defend the hybrid formulation (rules + ODE) as our aim is to prioritize usability by modelers, not the simplicity or elegance of equations. While a "pure-ODE" Fitzhugh-Nagumo-style polynomial may seem simple and elegant—with dv/dt = av^3 + bv^2 + cv + d and a, b, c, d parameters as the reviewer has pointed out a lot of complexity can arise from this. Tuning these parameters is far from intuitive, as small changes can produce nonlinear effects and qualitative shifts in behavior. Achieving the right phase durations, input-dependent scaling, waveform amplitude and shape, phase delays, and other characteristics simultaneously to match experimental data is quite cumbersome in the elegant models, not to mention the biophysical models. In contrast, these characteristics are easy to control in our model, because we translate complex dynamical behavior from implicit to explicit and surface a set of interpretable and tunable parameters.

      The authors argue for their model based on the idea that more biophysical models are difficult to tune, yet they compare their model to a biophysical one that they were able to tune to achieve the various patterns that they study. They do not give any indication of how easy or hard it was to tune their own model [...] The biophysical model seems to have 22 parameters, whereas the simplified one has 21 in Table 2, which is essentially the same number.

      To clarify, we did not tune the biophysical model, but rather copied its parameters from the cited work. We will make this more explicit in the relevant Methods section.

      We could not simply specify or tune these parameters because they have complex biological priors that must be derived from experimental data for example, the membrane capacitance (20 pF), ionic conductance and reversal potentials (4.5 nS, -62.5 mV), and many gating kinetics parameters (slopes, midpoints, time constants for sigmoid/bell curves).

      It is often the case that such parameters must be estimated in specific preparations then reused and refined over many years. For instance, the biophysical model we compare to borrowed parameters from (Kim et al. 2022), which retuned time constants relative to (Danner et al. 2017), which altered NaP conductance from (Danner et al. 2016), which retuned duty cycles from (Molkov et al. 2015), which adapted from respiratory networks of (Rubin et al. 2008), which used gating kinetics parameters from (Butera et al. 1999). Similarly, the crustacean pyloric circuit model we compare to is from (Alonso and Marder 2020), which augmented the circuit and parameters of (Prinz et al. 2004), which sampled from a database of procedurally generated parameters from (Prinz et al. 2003), which developed parameter priors from the lobster STG experimental work of (Turrigiano et al. 1995). These brief descriptions of the multi-decade lineage of parameter sets omit the substantial parallel and preceding work related their development, but they suffice to demonstrate the incredible science and effort that goes into building biophysical models for particular circuits. Such data is often unavailable and such detail is often undesirable for different research goals, in which case our simplified model is a valuable and practical tool.

      The key parameters of our simplified model are observable quantities like active/quiet durations (in seconds), input-dependent duration scaling (as a fraction of intrinsic durations), input strength that induces tonic firing, etc. As such, tuning the bursting neuron parameters for circuit models was easy, with manual tuning from scratch taking less than 1 day. As Table 3 shows, the resulting parameters are often simple, elegant numbers and can be derived directly from observations. For instance, the pyloric PD active and quiet durations (200 ms and 800 ms, respectively) are set using the exact target values that (Alonso and Marder 2020) encode in their objective for a genetic algorithm to tune their model’s biophysical parameters (or rather, a subset of them for tractability).

      Thus, the 22-vs-21 comparison is not very informative, because the parameters are not comparable in kind. However, to make it easier to tune our model, we will revise the manuscript to include: (a) more details describing how parameters maps onto observable features of the bursting waveform, (b) recommended parameter ranges and the qualitative behaviors expected at their boundaries, and (c) practical guidance for tuning the model to match observations or embed into circuits.

      (3) Originality

      What the authors fail to acknowledge is that Rinzel, Terman, Kopell, and others did seminal work on neuronal activity [...] The authors do not cite the substantial existing work on piecewise linear models [...] I don't see any advantage of the proposed framework over the earlier relaxation oscillator setting, where many important mechanistic principles have already been analyzed, including extensions to networks.

      We thank the reviewer for these pointers and apologize for the gap in our literature coverage. While we had cited McKean, FitzHugh-Nagumo, Izhikevich, et al. as representative examples of different model classes, we agree that the broader relaxation-oscillator and piecewise-linear traditions deserve more comprehensive treatment including Rinzel, Terman, Kopell, et al. on relaxation-oscillators; and Hahnloser, Coombes, Aguirre, et al. on piecewise-linear models. We will expand the related work discussion and clarify how our contribution is novel and valuable.

      To be clear, we do not claim to be the first to use piecewise-linear models for neurons. Our intended contribution is the specific construction a rectangular limit cycle whose horizontal/vertical decoupling permits a closed-form mapping from interpretable parameters to burst features and the demonstration that this construction integrates cleanly into firing-rate circuit models of biological CPGs, which we believe will provide realism for more complex models with learned components.

      Moreover, in contrast to many other relaxation-oscillator models including the elegant Fitzhugh-Nagumo-style model we discussed above, our model is not aimed at establishing mechanistic principles or being simple enough to analyze formally. It is a practical tool that affords precise control of many bursting characteristics, which is important for closer alignment between firing-rate circuit models and biological activity. We will state this contribution more precisely in the revision so it is not conflated with a broader novelty claim.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      (1) Novelty of piecewise-linear approximation

      The use of piecewise linear approximations to explicitly estimate properties of biophysical neurons is a well-known and common technique. This study adds nothing to the technique in terms of novelty.

      We agree that piecewise-linear approximations of neurons are not themselves novel, and we have not intended to claim otherwise: We cite the McKean model as a direct predecessor and, prompted by Reviewer #2, we will substantially expand citations to the relaxation-oscillator and piecewise-linear traditions (Rinzel, Terman, Kopell, Hahnloser, Coombes, Aguirre, et al.). Our intended contribution is not the use of piecewise-linear pieces per se but the specific construction: a rectangular limit cycle whose horizontal/vertical decoupling permits a closed-form, interpretable mapping from burst features (duration, duty cycle, amplitude, shape, input dependence) to dynamics, and clean integration into firing-rate circuit models of biological CPGs. We will revise the relevant passages so this contribution and the boundaries of our novelty claim are stated precisely.

      (2) Dynamical system mechanism

      This is no better than having a look-up table [...] The neuron is restricted to what the user puts in, and therefore, calling it a dynamical system is entirely wrong.

      We would like to take the opportunity to clarify this point, because the model's behavior is much richer than the lookup-table characterization suggests. The model is closed-loop: trajectories evolve through coupled state variables whose response to time-varying input depends on current state, not on a precomputed table of input-to-output values.

      Specifically:

      (a) The input represents the net time-varying synaptic drive, not a clamped voltage level;

      (b) The adaptation and voltage variables evolve according to coupled differential equations both on and off the limit cycle;

      (c) The duration and scale parameters only constrain active/quiet durations at input endpoints (-1, 0, +1), while the response at intermediate inputs is determined by the dynamics and other parameters such as the adaptation time constant, which can qualitatively reshape the constant-input response curve (Figure 3—supplement figure 3);

      (d) The response to a transient input depends on the current state for example, excitatory pulses early in the active phase have little effect, as in the biophysical model.

      This is a direct result of the simplified model using a similar limit cycle and nullcline structure as the biophysical model’s dynamical system (Figure 1).

      (3) PRC usage

      The phase resetting curves are used incorrectly. PRCs are useful when the perturbation is weak (soft) [...] A hard PRC would always reset the cycle to the fixed offset from the perturbation phase and is therefore uninformative in understanding dynamics.

      We appreciate this point and would like to clarify what we show and why. We present finite (non-infinitesimal) PRCs across a range of input strengths and signs, spanning both the "soft" (weak-perturbation) regime as well as the "hard" (strong-perturbation) regime, rather than focusing on the "hard" regime alone. Importantly, even in the strong-perturbation regime we do not see that pulses "always reset the cycle to the fixed offset from the perturbation phase". In Figure 4, we see that the active phase exhibits a non-resetting region whose size and location depend on parameters. This region governs entrainability and phase-locking offset, and is thus a key aspect of the neuron's dynamics. Moreover, the strong-perturbation regime is also biologically relevant in our circuit examples. For instance, the inhibitory connections within the pyloric CPG are strong enough to cause hard resets, and these resets shape the circuit-level dynamics we reproduce. We will revise the pulse-input section to state these points more explicitly so the rationale is clear for showing PRCs across a range of inputs.

      (4) Defining active/quiet phases

      The definition of the active and quiet parts of a burst is often less clear than what the authors suggest. Bursting neurons often do multiple bursts in a cycle, and therefore, substituting the burst envelope is a subjective matter. This is even more problematic in bursting neurons in the brain, where there is often no quiet period.

      We agree that waveform envelope can be subjective in some preparations, and we can add this caveat to the discussion.

      On neurons with no quiet period, we note that this behavior is in fact already supported in our model, as seen in Figure 3: under strong excitatory input, both the biophysical and simplified models enter a regime in which firing rate never reaches zero. As the model can generally be viewed as an abstract limit cycle that maps onto periodic waveforms through the firing function, the quiet phase need not correspond to literal silence.

      On more complex waveforms, we could imagine different firing functions that produce richer burst shapes including multi-peak bursts, but we have not tried this explicitly. Of course, for research questions concerned with irregular bursting or spike-to-burst transitions, a lower-level biophysical model would be more appropriate. In revision, we will expand on how the firing function could produce more complex burst shapes.

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      Reply to the reviewers

      We thank the reviewers and we are glad that they acknowledge this work to be a timely contribution to a quickly moving field and a valuable tool to generate testable hypothesis. We are pleased that reviewer #2 highlights that “a major strength is the combination of orthogonal evidence types” and that the tool serves to generate novel hypothesis. The revised manuscript will sharpen the positioning of the study within this context. Additional experimental evidence will be provided to address the points raised by reviewers #1 and #3.

      Reviewer #1* 1.The authors do not co-IP ARF1. This does not surprise me as small GTPases often hydrolyse their GTP during lysis. *

      We agree that this is likely due to transient association and GTP hydrolysis during lysis and will add a section to the manuscript.

      There have been a number of ARF1 bioID screens done- have the authors checked if their complex has turned up here?

      We will include this in the revised manuscript.

      1. I am a bit confused by some of the interpretation about KO and loss of JTB staining. They interpret: "The SYS1 acts as a Golgi recruitment factor for both ARFRP1 and JTB". The ARFRP1 has been published and is a cytosolic protein, so that makes sense. However, the JTB is not cytosolic by a membrane protein, so cannot be "recruited". Now maybe it is retained in the Golgi by this interaction, but if that is the case you would still expect signal on another organelle or the plasma membrane (and we see it isnt degraded in the lysosome due to the western blot). I am confused by the authors model here.

      We will clarify the phrasing and will provide a clearer interpretation, also considering the other improved imaging experiments that will be included in the revised manuscript.

      4.The authors validate their JTB antibody and confirm the fact that there are not reduced SYS1 levels in the JTBKO- this is very clear (albeit unquantified). What I do not see validated is the SYS1KO. I think this is quite important.

      We will validate SYS1 KO using TIDE and/or western blotting.

      5.The colocalisation in panel 3D is weak and unclear to me. It is not quantified. It is not clear if there have been 3 repeats.

      The revised manuscript will include improved imaging data. We will repeat relevant experiments, include appropriate controls and quantify where necessary.

      6.The imaging in figure 3 is not clear in places, and it stands out in a very clear manuscript. I cannot see the JTB in panel F. There are no scale bars. The dynamic range of the image is not utalised. I do not see the stain in the JTB in either of the sys1 KO, i do not see the SYS1-FLAG staining in the complement, and it is not quantified at all. It may all seem trivial, but (to me) this is an absolutely critical bit of biology data to support the informatics.

      The revised manuscript will include improved imaging data. We will repeat relevant experiments, include appropriate controls and quantify where necessary.

      7.I am a bit unconvinced by the interpretation of it being a retrograde trafficking complex. This is for 2 key reasons- 1) the VSV-G is antrograde (despite unusually they interpret a "severe defect in retrograde transport"). 2) Even if it was only having an effect in the retrograde direction I would still remain a little open minded about it as you can easily mistake trafficking of a protein in one direction for another if an unknown protein (SNARE for example) has defective trafficking.

      We used VSVG-KDEL in this assay. This setup specifically measures retrograde trafficking. We will clarify this in the revised manuscript. We will clarify in the Discussion that we confirmed a role in retrograde trafficking but cannot exclude a role in anterograde trafficking

      Reviewer #2

      Major comment: scope and interpretation of DepMap-derived functional evidence The manuscript could benefit from more clearly defining the scope of the functional evidence used to nominate complexes. The central co-dependency signal is derived from DepMap 24Q2 CRISPR gene-effect profiles, which are primarily cancer cell-line fitness/proliferation data. This is an important limitation because the resulting correlations may preferentially capture complexes or pathways that influence viability in proliferating cancer cells, while missing complexes active in differentiated, tissue-specific, stimulus-dependent, or non-proliferative contexts. Conversely, some correlations may reflect shared cancer-lineage or fitness dependencies rather than direct participation in a stable complex. The authors are appropriately cautious in stating that DepCom is not a complete inventory of human protein complexes, but the title, framing, and resource description could still be read as implying a more general catalogue of functional protein complexes. The authors might consider adding a clearer introduction to DepMap and explicitly discuss how the cancer-cell-line origin of the data affects interpretation of the 518 predicted complexes. This could be addressed without new experiments, for example by adding text early in the Results section explaining what the CRISPR gene-effect scores measure, and by expanding the Discussion to clarify that DepCom represents structurally plausible complexes prioritized by co-dependency across cancer cell lines, rather than an unbiased or context-independent map of human protein complexes. The selection of highlighted examples would also benefit from clearer justification. The peroxisome, actin, WNK/TSC22D2, and Golgi/JASS examples are biologically interesting, but the rationale for choosing them is not always explicit. Were they selected because they were novel, high-confidence, disease-associated, experimentally tractable, or representative of different resource categories? Briefly stating the selection criteria would help readers understand whether these examples are illustrative case studies or representative outcomes of the pipeline.

      We agree with the reviewers' assessment that this resource should be viewed as hypothesis-generating and that the overall framing should be improved. We will revise the manuscript at the appropriate sections, according to the more detailed comments of all reviewers.

      Minor comments

      1. Clarify post-clustering removal of large/problematic protein families and complexes. In the Methods, the authors state that "clusters of histones and keratin clusters, as well as the mito-ribosome, complexes of the electron transport chain and the mediator complex" were removed because of their large sizes. This filtering step would benefit from additional detail. Please specify the criteria used to define these removed clusters, how many clusters/proteins were removed at this stage, and whether removal was based only on size or also on biological/manual curation. It would also be helpful to explain why these proteins or clusters were removed after clustering rather than excluded before graph construction and clustering, since highly connected or compositionally biased protein families could potentially influence neighboring cluster assignments. If available, a brief robustness check showing that pre-removal of these proteins gives similar candidate complexes would strengthen confidence in the clustering procedure.

      We will add the requested information to the relevant section. Alongside the manuscript we will also provide lists of the complexes before and after every filtering step

      1. Clarify the rationale for excluding complexes larger than 5000 residues. The 5000-residue cutoff is understandable for AF3 computational cost, but the manuscript should briefly state how many candidate complexes were excluded by this cutoff and whether this preferentially removes known large assemblies. This would help readers understand the scope of complexes that DepCom is expected to miss.

      Alongside the manuscript we will now also provide lists of the complexes before and after every filtering step.

      1. Improve wording in the CAP1/CFL1/WDR1/ACTB example. The sentence "Additionally, CAP1 works in concert with CFL1 to accelerate depolymerisation, though if a four-protein complex consisting of actin, WDR1, CAP1 and CFL1 is relevant is not clear" is difficult to parse. Possible revision might be something like: "Additionally, CAP1 works in concert with CFL1 to accelerate depolymerisation, although it remains unclear whether actin, WDR1, CAP1 and CFL1 form a stable four-protein complex in cells." This more clearly separates known biology from the speculative interpretation of the DepCom prediction.

      Wording will be improved.

      1. Improve reproducibility details for AF3 predictions. The Methods state that predictions were run using a local AF3 installation, but reproducibility would be improved by reporting relevant AF3 settings, number of seeds/models per complex, whether templates were used, how disordered regions were handled, and whether predictions were repeated for all complexes or only selected examples. This is especially important because the manuscript notes that multiple predictions can yield different subunit arrangements.

      We will provide detailed settings in the methods section. Regarding disordered parts: All predictions used full length sequences (canonical UNIPROT ID) for each protein, so disordered residues are included. If disordered regions have low PLDDT and poor PAE, these regions will simply not score as interfaces in AlphaBridge. The one exception where we did crop structures is Figure 2D, but purely for visualization purposes, the full length complex did score in the pipeline (uncropped).

      Reviewer #3

      Co-essentiality is not the same as physical complex membership. This is the biggest conceptual concern. Genes in the same pathway are co-essential whether or not their products bind. The authors lean on the structural prediction step to filter this out, but that means the entire pipeline rests on AF3+AlphaBridge being correct about who interacts with whom. There is no independent benchmarking shown of how often AlphaBridge calls a true positive vs a false positive at the chosen 0.5 cutoff. Why 0.5? Where does that number come from? A short benchmarking section using known complexes (CORUM 5.0, hu.MAP 2.0, the PDB) would make the choice defensible. Right now it reads as arbitrary.

      We thank the reviewer for bringing up the need for such an important clarification. We fully agree that co-essentiality does not equal physical interaction and structure predictions are imperfect. This is precisely the logic underlying our pipeline design, not a limitation we overlooked. The two data sources are used sequentially and serve distinct roles: first, we construct protein sets that are connected through networks of predicted binary physical interactions; then we cluster these based on DepMap correlations, selecting likely physical complexes that display co-essentiality between their components.

      In other words, clustering on DepMap data alone would certainly return many spurious correlations: as the referee points out “Co-essentiality is not the same as physical complex membership”. Anchoring the search space with structural predictions substantially reduces this noise. Neither data source alone is sufficient, nor do we claim either is definitively "correct": the value lies in their combination. We hope improved phrasing in the revised manuscript will highlight this better.

      Regarding benchmarking AlphaBridge score: we have benchmarked AlphaBridge, in response to reviewer feedback on the original AlphaBridge paper (Structure, Cell Press). In the figure here it is clear that in our benchmark of PDB structures (with

      Comparison to existing resources is incomplete. I can't help but wonder what was found here that would not have been possible by analysing existing resources. CORUM 5.0 (7,193 mammalian complexes, ~71% human-derived; Tsitsiridis et al. 2024 NAR), hu.MAP 2.0 (Drew et al. 2021, ~6,965 complexes from >15,000 MS experiments), BioPlex 3.0 (Huttlin et al. 2021, 118,162 interactions in HEK293T), ad the Complex Portal already cover a large fraction of the human complexome. The authors compare to PDB, the original interactome paper, and Complex Portal, but they explicitly skip CORUM and hu.MAP, both of which are central reference resources in this space. Without including these, the "60 complexes unique to DepCom" number is not really meaningful. This needs to be redone properly.

      We will add the comparison with Corum and hu-MAP in the revision.

      Validation rate is one out of 518. The JASS work is solid, but a single experimentally validated complex out of 518 gives the reader essentially no estimate of how often the rest of the predictions are correct. Even a smaller systematic effort, say IP-MS on five to ten predicted novel complexes in the same cell line, would do an enormous amount to establish how trustworthy the resource is. The authors already have the V5/IP-MS pipeline running. Right now the manuscript implicitly asks the reader to trust 517 predictions on the strength of one validation.

      In this paper we validated one out of the 60 complexes we claim are new. Notably we provide new biological data and demonstrate how consulting our resource, or following the same logic of combining functional and structural information, can lead to new exciting discoveries. We note that out of the 518 complexes we list, 69 complexes are exactly mirrored in the PDB and/or Complex Portal, while for another 389 there is partial evidence. Thus, our dataset is amply validated, and at the same time contains data to enable new discoveries. We also note, that following the release of our resource eight months ago, a new high-impact publication “validated” a complex we have independently picked in DepMap (Oosterheert et al, Choreography of rapid actin filament by coronin, cofilin and AIP1, Cell, 2025). We will rephrase relevant sections (also in response to reviewer 2) to increase clarity about validation.

      The functional and disease clustering is potentially circular. GO terms and STRING associations are themselves derived in large part from the published literature on protein function, including text mining channels in STRING, much of which is downstream of complex membership. Of course complexes cluster into "DNA repair" and "vesicle trafficking" if you cluster on GO and STRING. The same applies to Open Targets, which integrates GWAS Catalog, ClinVar, literature mining, and other sources. The clustering is fine as a navigation aid for the website, but it is not, as currently presented, an independent validation of anything. I would tone the discussion down accordingly.

      We did not mean to present the clustering as an independent validation. We will tone down the discussion accordingly.

      AF3 limitations on this class of problem. AF3 itself acknowledges limitations (Abramson et al. 2024, including the December 2024 addendum), and subsequent benchmarking has flagged disordered regions, dynamic/large assemblies, and certain transmembrane systems as known weak points. The JASS complex is largely transmembrane, the WNK1-TSC22D2 example involves disorder-to-order transitions, and several flagship examples involve large multi-domain proteins. The authors acknowledge some of this in passing but should state explicitly which complexes were trimmed, how the trimming choices were made, and whether predictions were repeated with different seeds to check stability. Figure S4 is a good start, but for a resource paper a more systematic seed-stability analysis is warranted.

      No complexes were trimmed for the initial AF3 predictions. The WNK1-TSC22D2 example was trimmed and re-predicted only for visualization purposes. We apologize for the misunderstanding and will state this more clearly.

      AF3 certainly has limitations. Regarding disordered regions, these will almost always be assigned a poor pLDDT (also if AF3 wrongly folds them into helices). AlphaBridge will not pickup these low pLDDT regions as interfaces. Regarding dynamic assemblies, these might again lead to poor confidence scores and consequently these will not be picked up as interfaces by AlphaBridge. If AF3 confidence metrics are analyzed properly, the main concern for both disordered regions and dynamic assemblies is to miss true positive interactions, rather than finding false positive. As we did not aim to identify all possible human complexes, we consider focusing on the most confidently predicted interactions to be a fair trade off.

      While the JASS complex is indeed a membrane protein complex, the predictions are exceptionally confident across multiple seeds (we can provide predictions from multiple seeds for revision), and validates experimentally. Of course, structure predictions are no substitute for experimental structures, as cautioned multiple times throughout the manuscript.

      Figure S4 shows that despite the complex overall geometry being flexible, the interaction sites are predicted with high confidence across different poses. Since the aim of this study was to identify proteins interacting with each other, not accurate structures (which need to be solved experimentally), we argue that recomputing all structures with multiple seeds is disproportionately expensive computationally and would delay publication of a timely study while adding little.

      Statistics are thin in several places. On the Fisher exact test for Golgi/ER enrichment in V5-JTB IP-MS (Supplemental Table 1), an odds ratio of 2.77 is modest, and there is no comparison to a matched control IP. Is this more than expected by chance against an appropriate background? The IP-MS volcano plots show many significant proteins, but how was the background controlled? On the LLM section, no quantitative evaluation is presented at all and the assessment is admitted to be subjective.

      We will qualify the conclusions drawn from the IP-MS experiments. We maintain that together with the additional cell biology data, we build a compelling and convincing picture for this JASS complex.

      Experimentally, the background is controlled by measuring enrichment over WT cell lines that have undergone the same IP procedure as the V5-SYS1/JTB expressing cells (lysis, incubation with the anti-V5 conjugated beads, same wash procedure and sample processing), as is the standard in the field. We will clarify in the Methods section. Regarding identification, FDR rate was set to 1% at protein and peptide level and peptide spectrum matches (PSMs) were additionally filtered for SequestHT Xcorr score >1.

      We agree with the referee that the LLM interpretation is subjective and cannot be benchmarked. We suggest revising the resource and the paper, only providing structured LLM prompts to facilitate users asking the right questions, but we will not provide the LLM answers as part of the resource.

      The 4�ACTB speculation. The authors themselves note the AlphaBridge score declines from 0.9 (1�ACTB) to 0.78 (4�ACTB), yet they speculate about functional implications. This is exactly the kind of post-hoc rationalisation around weak evidence that should either be supported with experiment or removed. Either remove or qualify as speculative.

      We will qualify this as speculative

      The LLM-assisted analysis. I am genuinely uncomfortable with releasing 76 LLM-generated complex annotations as part of a published resource when the authors openly state these have "not been systematically validated". Putting these summaries on a website with the imprimatur of a peer-reviewed paper will lead to them being cited and reused. At minimum, the website needs prominent warnings on every page where an LLM summary appears, the prompts must be fully reproducible (not just downloadable as JSON), and a small validation table, say 10 complexes scored by a domain expert for accuracy of each claim, should be included as a supplemental figure. As it stands this section reads like an enthusiastic add-on that has not been thought through with the same care as the rest of the work.

      We thank the referee for bringing forward this consideration. We agree to remove the LLM answers for the 78 complexes from the manuscript and from the website, to ensure that the outputs cannot be cited. We will provide two different objective structure prompts for download to encourage variety in responses for curious users who want to explore. We will add a prominent disclaimer noting that responses resulting from these prompts cannot be interpreted as facts without validation.

      We cannot guarantee reproducibility with modern LLM inference architecture. Even if seeds are kept the same and temperature=0, floating-point non-determinism in GPU operations, distributed inference, and batch effects may lead to different results. Furthermore, models go through many different iterations rapidly. As a consequence, it is impossible for us to guarantee reproducibility

      Cutoffs and cluster numbers need stability analysis. The cutoff for the 75th-percentile DepMap correlation (mean of random + 3 SD = 0.147) is reasonable but should be accompanied by an FDR or precision/recall estimate against a labelled reference set. The choice of 20 final clusters in functional clustering (because that gave a peak in silhouette score) and 14 for disease clustering should also be supported by stability analysis, e.g. resampling.

      The 75th percentile cutoff is, in our opinion, well justified and sufficient for our purposes. FDR and precision recall need a set of true and false positives. The DepMap correlation clusters are an intermediate step in our pipeline and do not necessarily hold the final complexes. How can intermediate reference DepMap clusters be constructed and defined as true or false positives? Even if we would score clusters that contain a known complex as true positives, how to define false positives? If clusters do not contain a known complex, that does not necessarily mean that these proteins don’t interact, just that they have not been shown to interact yet.

      We will run resampling to improve confidence in the choice of cluster number.

      Internal numerical consistency. The bioRxiv preprint abstract refers to 354 high-confidence multi-protein complexes, while the body of the manuscript discusses 518 (224 dimers + 294 multimers). The relationship between these numbers should be stated explicitly. Likewise, the breakdown of "60 unique to DepCom" into 41 heterodimers + 19 multimeric should be reconcilable in the figures and tables. The number "9,764 unique seed proteins" should also be clarified to confirm it is the DepCom-internal seed set and not inherited from the Zhang et al. coverage or hu.MAP 2.0 (9,963 proteins). These are easy fixes but matter for a resource paper.

      BioRxiv preprint: The preprint that the reviewer read is an older version, which will be updated. .

      The 9,764 unique seed proteins is from the Zhang et al paper, and are the human proteins identified to confidently interact with at least one other human protein. We will make this more clear.

      Mander's overlap coefficient. The VSV-G(ts045)-KDELR retrograde-transport assay is well established and the experiment is clean, but MOC has been increasingly criticised in the colocalisation literature (Adler & Parmryd 2010, 2021). Best practice is to also report Manders' M1/M2 coefficients or Pearson's correlation alongside MOC. Adding these would be straightforward and would strengthen Fig 4B.

      We will improve co-localization measures where appropriate.

      Minor comments 1. Page 4: "candidate sets of potential multi-protein complex members". Pick one, they are either candidates or potential, not both.

      Will be addressed.

      Page 7: "Complex 294... mechanistic basis for CFL1 and WDR1 cooperation has only recently been described". Please update the reference list and language given how recent this is.

      Will be addressed.

      Page 7: JTB is described as "poorly characterised". This is a bit too strong. JTB has been studied in the context of TGF-β-induced mitochondrial regulation (Kanome et al. 2007), cytokinesis and chromosomal passenger complex association (Platica et al. 2011), the structural characterisation of its extracellular domain (Rousseau et al. 2012), and breast cancer biomarker work (Jayathirtha et al. 2022). A more accurate framing would be "incompletely characterised, with previously reported but functionally unresolved roles". The novelty here is the Golgi connection, which is genuine.

      We will rephrase.

      Page 8: the citation of Blomen et al. 2015 Science for "Golgi-related synthetic lethality" should be checked against the actual supplementary data of that paper to confirm the JTB attribution is correct.

      Will be check.

      Figure 1: as in many omics papers, please think of us colourblind readers. The pink-green DepMap correlation scale will be hard for some of us.

      The color scheme in use, alongside others, was tested with two colleagues that have different variants of colour blindness and was judged to be the best compromise.

      Figure 5A and 5B: 21 and 14 colour-coded clusters respectively in a single UMAP is too much. Consider splitting into separate panels by broad theme or providing an interactive version only.

      We will focus on a subsection, and provide the full interactive version on the homepage

      Page 11: "manually evaluated the quality of outputs". By whom, blinded to which model produced which output? Methods are silent on this.

      As stated above, we will remove the LLM part

      Some figures show "hairballs" with very limited informative content. Fig. 1B left panel and the AlphaBridge wheel plots in particular convey relatively little at the size shown.

      We will try and find a way to draw the AlphaBridge circular plots in better resolution; we do not however that the reviewer’s observation might be an artefact of the PDF file distributed to reviewers.

      The reference list looks a bit thin on prior systematic complexome efforts. BioPlex 3.0 (Huttlin et al. 2021 Cell), hu.MAP 2.0 (Drew et al. 2021 MSB) and CORUM 5.0 (Tsitsiridis et al. 2024 NAR) should all be cited and discussed.

      We will include the additional references where appropriate

      The discussion section drifts into general comments about AI in science that don't add much. I would cut about a third of it and use the space for a more careful framing of the actual contribution.

      We will shorten the discussion section and phrase more carefully.

      General assessment Reviewer #3: The strongest aspect of this study is the JASS complex story. The IP-MS, the SYS1-KO rescue experiment, the VSV-G(ts045)-KDELR transport assay, and the orthogonal CRISPR screens with diphtheria and Pseudomonas exotoxins together build a convincing case for JTB as a regulator of Golgi-to-ER retrograde trafficking. This part of the paper is genuinely nice work and would stand on its own. The pipeline itself, combining structural predictions with functional dependency data and filtering with AlphaBridge, is sensible and timely. It is a reasonable demonstration of how confidence filtering should be done at this kind of scale. The main limitations concern the resource framing. After reading the manuscript several times I am still trying to identify the central novel contribution beyond the JASS validation. The interactome predictions are taken from Zhang et al., DepMap is public, AF3 is public, AlphaBridge is the authors' own previously published tool, and GO/STRING/Open Targets/dbPTM are all public. The manuscript is essentially an integrative pipeline plus a website plus one experimentally followed-up complex. The framing oversells what is genuinely new. The authors' own comparison (Fig. S3) shows 60 complexes "unique to DepCom" out of 518, of which 41 are heterodimers and only 19 are multimeric. Nineteen genuinely novel multi-protein complexes is still a contribution but it is a long way from the 354/518 that the abstract and discussion implicitly emphasise. The validation rate (one of 518) and the missing comparisons to CORUM 5.0 and hu.MAP 2.0 are the two issues that most need addressing.

      We will rephrase these issue to adjust the framing. We would put forward that the main contribution of this manuscript is to present an integrative framework that combines data from orthogonal sources to highlight the possibility of structure prediction models to serve as a discovery tool. The reviewer identifies correctly (albeit derogatorily) that this is “essentially” an integrative pipeline. But it is an integrative pipeline that combines genetics and computational structure predictions in a novel (to the best of our knowledge) way and surfaces interesting new biology. The biology of the JASS complex goes well-beyond simple validation experiments, and we believe its discovery (based on our data) carries more value that the reviewer attributes to it.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary:

      Uckelmann and colleagues combine the recently published binary human interactome predictions from Zhang et al. (2025) with co-essentiality data from DepMap CRISPR screens to nominate sets of proteins that may form higher-order complexes. They cluster proteins around each "seed" using Leiden community detection on the DepMap correlation matrix, run AlphaFold3 on each candidate set, and apply AlphaBridge to retain only those interfaces predicted with confidence. After filtering they arrive at 518 complexes, of which 224 are dimers and 294 are larger assemblies (note: the abstract of the bioRxiv preprint refers to 354 high-confidence complexes, so the relationship between these numbers should be made explicit). They illustrate the resource with a few worked examples (PEX3/16/19/ACBD5, an actin-CFL1-WDR1-CAP1 assembly, a WNK1-NRBP1-TSC22D2 complex), and they experimentally validate one previously uncharacterised assembly that they name JASS (JTB-ARFRP1-SYS1), placing JTB at the Golgi and showing a role for it in Golgi-to-ER retrograde transport. They also provide a web portal (depcom.eu) with PTM mapping, GO/STRING-based functional clustering, Open Targets disease clustering, and LLM-generated executive summaries.

      Major comments:

      I am supportive of integrating orthogonal datasets in this kind of framework, but I am much less enthusiastic about how the analyses are carried through, and I think there are several issues that need adressing before this work is publishable.

      1. Co-essentiality is not the same as physical complex membership. This is the biggest conceptual concern. Genes in the same pathway are co-essential whether or not their products bind. The authors lean on the structural prediction step to filter this out, but that means the entire pipeline rests on AF3+AlphaBridge being correct about who interacts with whom. There is no independent benchmarking shown of how often AlphaBridge calls a true positive vs a false positive at the chosen 0.5 cutoff. Why 0.5? Where does that number come from? A short benchmarking section using known complexes (CORUM 5.0, hu.MAP 2.0, the PDB) would make the choice defensible. Right now it reads as arbitrary.
      2. Comparison to existing resources is incomplete. I can't help but wonder what was found here that would not have been possible by analysing existing resources. CORUM 5.0 (7,193 mammalian complexes, ~71% human-derived; Tsitsiridis et al. 2024 NAR), hu.MAP 2.0 (Drew et al. 2021, ~6,965 complexes from >15,000 MS experiments), BioPlex 3.0 (Huttlin et al. 2021, 118,162 interactions in HEK293T), and the Complex Portal already cover a large fraction of the human complexome. The authors compare to PDB, the original interactome paper, and Complex Portal, but they explicitly skip CORUM and hu.MAP, both of which are central reference resources in this space. Without including these, the "60 complexes unique to DepCom" number is not really meaningful. This needs to be redone properly.
      3. Validation rate is one out of 518. The JASS work is solid, but a single experimentally validated complex out of 518 gives the reader essentially no estimate of how often the rest of the predictions are correct. Even a smaller systematic effort, say IP-MS on five to ten predicted novel complexes in the same cell line, would do an enormous amount to establish how trustworthy the resource is. The authors already have the V5/IP-MS pipeline running. Right now the manuscript implicitly asks the reader to trust 517 predictions on the strength of one validation.
      4. The functional and disease clustering is potentially circular. GO terms and STRING associations are themselves derived in large part from the published literature on protein function, including text mining channels in STRING, much of which is downstream of complex membership. Of course complexes cluster into "DNA repair" and "vesicle trafficking" if you cluster on GO and STRING. The same applies to Open Targets, which integrates GWAS Catalog, ClinVar, literature mining, and other sources. The clustering is fine as a navigation aid for the website, but it is not, as currently presented, an independent validation of anything. I would tone the discussion down accordingly.
      5. AF3 limitations on this class of problem. AF3 itself acknowledges limitations (Abramson et al. 2024, including the December 2024 addendum), and subsequent benchmarking has flagged disordered regions, dynamic/large assemblies, and certain transmembrane systems as known weak points. The JASS complex is largely transmembrane, the WNK1-TSC22D2 example involves disorder-to-order transitions, and several flagship examples involve large multi-domain proteins. The authors acknowledge some of this in passing but should state explicitly which complexes were trimmed, how the trimming choices were made, and whether predictions were repeated with different seeds to check stability. Figure S4 is a good start, but for a resource paper a more systematic seed-stability analysis is warranted.
      6. Statistics are thin in several places. On the Fisher exact test for Golgi/ER enrichment in V5-JTB IP-MS (Supplemental Table 1), an odds ratio of 2.77 is modest, and there is no comparison to a matched control IP. Is this more than expected by chance against an appropriate background? The IP-MS volcano plots show many significant proteins, but how was the background controlled? On the LLM section, no quantitative evaluation is presented at all and the assessment is admitted to be subjective.
      7. The 4×ACTB speculation. The authors themselves note the AlphaBridge score declines from 0.9 (1×ACTB) to 0.78 (4×ACTB), yet they speculate about functional implications. This is exactly the kind of post-hoc rationalisation around weak evidence that should either be supported with experiment or removed. Either remove or qualify as speculative.
      8. The LLM-assisted analysis. I am genuinely uncomfortable with releasing 76 LLM-generated complex annotations as part of a published resource when the authors openly state these have "not been systematically validated". Putting these summaries on a website with the imprimatur of a peer-reviewed paper will lead to them being cited and reused. At minimum, the website needs prominent warnings on every page where an LLM summary appears, the prompts must be fully reproducible (not just downloadable as JSON), and a small validation table, say 10 complexes scored by a domain expert for accuracy of each claim, should be included as a supplemental figure. As it stands this section reads like an enthusiastic add-on that has not been thought through with the same care as the rest of the work.
      9. Cutoffs and cluster numbers need stability analysis. The cutoff for the 75th-percentile DepMap correlation (mean of random + 3 SD = 0.147) is reasonable but should be accompanied by an FDR or precision/recall estimate against a labelled reference set. The choice of 20 final clusters in functional clustering (because that gave a peak in silhouette score) and 14 for disease clustering should also be supported by stability analysis, e.g. resampling.
      10. Internal numerical consistency. The bioRxiv preprint abstract refers to 354 high-confidence multi-protein complexes, while the body of the manuscript discusses 518 (224 dimers + 294 multimers). The relationship between these numbers should be stated explicitly. Likewise, the breakdown of "60 unique to DepCom" into 41 heterodimers + 19 multimeric should be reconcilable in the figures and tables. The number "9,764 unique seed proteins" should also be clarified to confirm it is the DepCom-internal seed set and not inherited from the Zhang et al. coverage or hu.MAP 2.0 (9,963 proteins). These are easy fixes but matter for a resource paper.
      11. Mander's overlap coefficient. The VSV-G(ts045)-KDELR retrograde-transport assay is well established and the experiment is clean, but MOC has been increasingly criticised in the colocalisation literature (Adler & Parmryd 2010, 2021). Best practice is to also report Manders' M1/M2 coefficients or Pearson's correlation alongside MOC. Adding these would be straightforward and would strengthen Fig 4B.

      Minor comments

      1. Page 4: "candidate sets of potential multi-protein complex members". Pick one, they are either candidates or potential, not both.
      2. Page 7: "Complex 294... mechanistic basis for CFL1 and WDR1 cooperation has only recently been described". Please update the reference list and language given how recent this is.
      3. Page 7: JTB is described as "poorly characterised". This is a bit too strong. JTB has been studied in the context of TGF-β-induced mitochondrial regulation (Kanome et al. 2007), cytokinesis and chromosomal passenger complex association (Platica et al. 2011), the structural characterisation of its extracellular domain (Rousseau et al. 2012), and breast cancer biomarker work (Jayathirtha et al. 2022). A more accurate framing would be "incompletely characterised, with previously reported but functionally unresolved roles". The novelty here is the Golgi connection, which is genuine.
      4. Page 8: the citation of Blomen et al. 2015 Science for "Golgi-related synthetic lethality" should be checked against the actual supplementary data of that paper to confirm the JTB attribution is correct.
      5. Figure 1: as in many omics papers, please think of us colourblind readers. The pink-green DepMap correlation scale will be hard for some of us.
      6. Figure 5A and 5B: 21 and 14 colour-coded clusters respectively in a single UMAP is too much. Consider splitting into separate panels by broad theme or providing an interactive version only.
      7. Page 11: "manually evaluated the quality of outputs". By whom, blinded to which model produced which output? Methods are silent on this.
      8. Some figures show "hairballs" with very limited informative content. Fig. 1B left panel and the AlphaBridge wheel plots in particular convey relatively little at the size shown.
      9. The reference list looks a bit thin on prior systematic complexome efforts. BioPlex 3.0 (Huttlin et al. 2021 Cell), hu.MAP 2.0 (Drew et al. 2021 MSB) and CORUM 5.0 (Tsitsiridis et al. 2024 NAR) should all be cited and discussed.
      10. The discussion section drifts into general comments about AI in science that don't add much. I would cut about a third of it and use the space for a more careful framing of the actual contribution.

      Significance

      General assessment:

      The strongest aspect of this study is the JASS complex story. The IP-MS, the SYS1-KO rescue experiment, the VSV-G(ts045)-KDELR transport assay, and the orthogonal CRISPR screens with diphtheria and Pseudomonas exotoxins together build a convincing case for JTB as a regulator of Golgi-to-ER retrograde trafficking. This part of the paper is genuinely nice work and would stand on its own. The pipeline itself, combining structural predictions with functional dependency data and filtering with AlphaBridge, is sensible and timely. It is a reasonable demonstration of how confidence filtering should be done at this kind of scale.

      The main limitations concern the resource framing. After reading the manuscript several times I am still trying to identify the central novel contribution beyond the JASS validation. The interactome predictions are taken from Zhang et al., DepMap is public, AF3 is public, AlphaBridge is the authors' own previously published tool, and GO/STRING/Open Targets/dbPTM are all public. The manuscript is essentially an integrative pipeline plus a website plus one experimentally followed-up complex. The framing oversells what is genuinely new. The authors' own comparison (Fig. S3) shows 60 complexes "unique to DepCom" out of 518, of which 41 are heterodimers and only 19 are multimeric. Nineteen genuinely novel multi-protein complexes is still a contribution but it is a long way from the 354/518 that the abstract and discussion implicitly emphasise. The validation rate (one of 518) and the missing comparisons to CORUM 5.0 and hu.MAP 2.0 are the two issues that most need addressing.

      Advance:

      The advance is incremental rather than conceptual. The idea of intersecting co-essentiality with structural predictions is sensible but not new in spirit, and similar hybrid approaches are now becoming more common in this space (see e.g. EndoMAP.v1, Gonzalez-Lozano et al. 2025 Nature, which the authors do cite). What is new here is the specific implementation, the AlphaBridge filtering layer, and the JASS finding. The technical advance lies in the AlphaBridge filtering step on top of AF3 at a reasonably large scale. The biological advance is the JASS complex and the demonstration that JTB plays a role in Golgi-to-ER retrograde transport, which is genuinely new and well supported.

      Audience:

      This work will be of interest mainly to specialised audiences in structural proteomics, computational biology of protein complexes, and the protein-protein interaction community. The JASS finding will be of interest to a broader readership in cell biology, particularly those working on Golgi trafficking, ARF/ARL family GTPases, and retrograde transport. The web resource will likely find users among researchers studying specific complexes who want a quick structural hypothesis. I do not think the work, in its current form, will reach broad audiences in the way the authors hope, but a more sober framing would actually help it land better in the specialist community where it belong.

      My expertise:

      Mass spectrometry-based proteomics, protein-protein interaction mapping, systems biology, structural biology. I have working knowledge but not deep expertise in: structural prediction confidence metrics (AF3, AlphaBridge implementation details), DepMap CRISPR co-essentiality analysis, and Golgi cell biology. I would defer to a computational structural biology or cell biology specialist on the AF3 confidence interpretation details and on the cell biology specifics of the JASS validation.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      The study presents DepCom as a broad resource for discovering human multi-protein complexes by integrating predicted binary interactions, DepMap co-dependency, AF3 modelling, and AlphaBridge filtering. Overall, the computational strategy is well motivated, and the experimental validation of the JTB/SYS1/ARFRP1 complex provides a compelling example of how the resource can generate testable biological hypotheses.

      Major comment: scope and interpretation of DepMap-derived functional evidence

      The manuscript could benefit from more clearly defining the scope of the functional evidence used to nominate complexes. The central co-dependency signal is derived from DepMap 24Q2 CRISPR gene-effect profiles, which are primarily cancer cell-line fitness/proliferation data. This is an important limitation because the resulting correlations may preferentially capture complexes or pathways that influence viability in proliferating cancer cells, while missing complexes active in differentiated, tissue-specific, stimulus-dependent, or non-proliferative contexts. Conversely, some correlations may reflect shared cancer-lineage or fitness dependencies rather than direct participation in a stable complex. The authors are appropriately cautious in stating that DepCom is not a complete inventory of human protein complexes, but the title, framing, and resource description could still be read as implying a more general catalogue of functional protein complexes. The authors might consider adding a clearer introduction to DepMap and explicitly discuss how the cancer-cell-line origin of the data affects interpretation of the 518 predicted complexes. This could be addressed without new experiments, for example by adding text early in the Results section explaining what the CRISPR gene-effect scores measure, and by expanding the Discussion to clarify that DepCom represents structurally plausible complexes prioritized by co-dependency across cancer cell lines, rather than an unbiased or context-independent map of human protein complexes. The selection of highlighted examples would also benefit from clearer justification. The peroxisome, actin, WNK/TSC22D2, and Golgi/JASS examples are biologically interesting, but the rationale for choosing them is not always explicit. Were they selected because they were novel, high-confidence, disease-associated, experimentally tractable, or representative of different resource categories? Briefly stating the selection criteria would help readers understand whether these examples are illustrative case studies or representative outcomes of the pipeline.

      Minor comments

      1. Clarify post-clustering removal of large/problematic protein families and complexes.

      In the Methods, the authors state that "clusters of histones and keratin clusters, as well as the mito-ribosome, complexes of the electron transport chain and the mediator complex" were removed because of their large sizes. This filtering step would benefit from additional detail. Please specify the criteria used to define these removed clusters, how many clusters/proteins were removed at this stage, and whether removal was based only on size or also on biological/manual curation. It would also be helpful to explain why these proteins or clusters were removed after clustering rather than excluded before graph construction and clustering, since highly connected or compositionally biased protein families could potentially influence neighboring cluster assignments. If available, a brief robustness check showing that pre-removal of these proteins gives similar candidate complexes would strengthen confidence in the clustering procedure. 2. Clarify the rationale for excluding complexes larger than 5000 residues.

      The 5000-residue cutoff is understandable for AF3 computational cost, but the manuscript should briefly state how many candidate complexes were excluded by this cutoff and whether this preferentially removes known large assemblies. This would help readers understand the scope of complexes that DepCom is expected to miss. 3. Improve wording in the CAP1/CFL1/WDR1/ACTB example.

      The sentence "Additionally, CAP1 works in concert with CFL1 to accelerate depolymerisation, though if a four-protein complex consisting of actin, WDR1, CAP1 and CFL1 is relevant is not clear" is difficult to parse. Possible revision might be something like: "Additionally, CAP1 works in concert with CFL1 to accelerate depolymerisation, although it remains unclear whether actin, WDR1, CAP1 and CFL1 form a stable four-protein complex in cells." This more clearly separates known biology from the speculative interpretation of the DepCom prediction. 4. Improve reproducibility details for AF3 predictions.

      The Methods state that predictions were run using a local AF3 installation, but reproducibility would be improved by reporting relevant AF3 settings, number of seeds/models per complex, whether templates were used, how disordered regions were handled, and whether predictions were repeated for all complexes or only selected examples. This is especially important because the manuscript notes that multiple predictions can yield different subunit arrangements.-

      Significance

      General assessment:

      This study presents a timely and useful resource for prioritizing candidate human protein complexes by integrating predicted binary protein-protein interactions, DepMap co-dependency profiles, AlphaFold3 structure prediction, and AlphaBridge confidence filtering. A major strength is the combination of orthogonal evidence types: physical interaction predictions define a tractable search space, functional co-dependency helps identify coherent protein groups, and structure-confidence metrics provide an additional filter on the resulting candidates. The experimental validation of the JTB/SYS1/ARFRP1 complex is also a strong aspect of the study, as it demonstrates that the resource can generate biologically meaningful and experimentally testable hypotheses.

      The main limitation is that the resource should be interpreted as a prioritized, hypothesis-generating dataset rather than a comprehensive or context-independent catalogue of human protein complexes. As noted above, the DepMap-derived signal reflects cancer cell-line fitness/proliferation dependencies, and the final complex set is also shaped by the starting interactome, filtering choices, and computational constraints on complex size. These limitations do not undermine the utility of the resource, but they should be clearly framed for readers.

      One aspect that could further increase the impact and usability of the study is the DepCom web resource. The searchable table of complexes is already useful, particularly for users who want to query by gene or protein name. However, the website also presents functional and disease-based clustering, and many users may want to search or filter complexes by biological process, GO term, pathway, disease association, or disease cluster. Adding GO-term and disease-association fields to the main table, and allowing users to search/filter by these annotations, would make the resource more discoverable and useful to researchers approaching the dataset from a biological process or disease area rather than from a specific gene.

      Advance:

      The advance is primarily technical and resource-oriented, with an accompanying functional biological demonstration. The study helps fill a gap between large-scale binary interaction prediction and the more difficult problem of nominating higher-order assemblies. By using functional dependency profiles to prioritize multi-protein combinations before structure prediction, the authors reduce an otherwise intractable search space and generate a set of structurally plausible candidate complexes. The JASS complex and the proposed role of JTB in Golgi-to-ER retrograde trafficking provide a compelling example of biological discovery enabled by the pipeline.

      The broader DepCom resource, including predicted complex structures, AlphaBridge interface-confidence information, PTM-interface mapping, functional/disease clustering, and downloadable LLM prompts, should provide useful starting points for follow-up studies. These outputs are best viewed as hypothesis-generating rather than definitive biological annotation, but they represent a valuable extension of existing protein-interaction and structure-prediction resources.

      Audience:

      The study will likely interest a broad basic-research audience, especially researchers in protein complex biology, structural biology, functional genomics, systems biology, cancer dependency mapping, cell biology, and computational biology. It may also be useful to investigators studying specific pathways or poorly characterized proteins, since the resource provides candidate interaction partners and structural hypotheses that can guide experiments. The translational relevance is more indirect, mainly through disease-association clustering and potential target-discovery applications, but the immediate audience is likely to be basic and computational researchers.

      My expertise is in computational protein databases, protein domain classification, structural/evolutionary analysis of proteins, and functional annotation resources, including experience with the ECOD database for evolutionary classification of protein domains. I am less able to evaluate the fine details the experimental cell-biology assays beyond their general interpretation and reporting.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Characterising protein complexes is a fundamental goal in modern molecular cell biology. Here, Uckelmann and colleagues have presented a solution to part of this problem. By combining functional clustering with alphafold modelling, they present a high throughput bioinformatic solution. The paper and figures are exceptionally clear and well presented. The conclusions are reasonable, and the data interesting. I am a cell biologist with expertise in molecular machinery of trafficking, so the focus of my review will be on the identification of a new complex, that is proposed to have a role in retrograde trafficking. On the whole I find this a interesting and convincing finding. However I have some comments and questions that I hope may help the authors. I will naturally focus my comments on the cell biology.

      1.The authors do not co-IP ARF1. This does not surprise me as small GTPases often hydrolyse their GTP during lysis. 2.There have been a number of ARF1 bioID screens done- have the authors checked if their complex has turned up here? 3.I am a bit confused by some of the interpretation about KO and loss of JTB staining. They interpret: "The SYS1 acts as a Golgi recruitment factor for both ARFRP1 and JTB". The ARFRP1 has been published and is a cytosolic protein, so that makes sense. However, the JTB is not cytosolic by a membrane protein, so cannot be "recruited". Now maybe it is retained in the Golgi by this interaction, but if that is the case you would still expect signal on another organelle or the plasma membrane (and we see it isnt degraded in the lysosome due to the western blot). I am confused by the authors model here. 4.The authors validate their JTB antibody and confirm the fact that there are not reduced SYS1 levels in the JTBKO- this is very clear (albeit unquantified). What I do not see validated is the SYS1KO. I think this is quite important. 5.The colocalisation in panel 3D is weak and unclear to me. It is not quantified. It is not clear if there have been 3 repeats. 6.The imaging in figure 3 is not clear in places, and it stands out in a very clear manuscript. I cannot see the JTB in panel F. There are no scale bars. The dynamic range of the image is not utalised. I do not see the stain in the JTB in either of the sys1 KO, i do not see the SYS1-FLAG staining in the complement, and it is not quantified at all. It may all seem trivial, but (to me) this is an absolutely critical bit of biology data to support the informatics. 7.I am a bit unconvinced by the interpretation of it being a retrograde trafficking complex. This is for 2 key reasons- 1) the VSV-G is antrograde (despite unusually they interpret a "severe defect in retrograde transport"). 2) Even if it was only having an effect in the retrograde direction I would still remain a little open minded about it as you can easily mistake trafficking of a protein in one direction for another if an unknown protein (SNARE for example) has defective trafficking.

      Significance

      Characterising protein complexes is a fundamental goal in modern molecular cell biology. Here, Uckelmann and colleagues have presented a solution to part of this problem. By combining functional clustering with alphafold modelling, they present a high throughput bioinformatic solution. The paper and figures are exceptionally clear and well presented. The conclusions are reasonable, and the data interesting. I am a cell biologist with expertise in molecular machinery of trafficking, so the focus of my review will be on the identification of a new complex, that is proposed to have a role in retrograde trafficking. On the whole I find this a interesting and convincing finding.

    1. This manuscript provides needed clarification for some unexpected behaviour we can experience with RGI outputs, and outlines some possible improvements notably for better prediction of beta-lactamases.

      My major comment is that although the authors point out that only a very few ARG models return high rate of False positive, they do not consider that these genes are actually a high burden for non-experienced users of RGI. It should more clearly emphasized.

      The main issue being efflux pumps which can basically be found in every bacterial genome. In the paper, they show for instance that RGI returns ~50% false positive with the adeF reference gene i.e. with % protein similarity ranging between 60% and 70% (and down to 40% when looking at the protein identity score, cf current CARD-R version). At such a low rate, every input genome will return an adeF resistance gene, even when phylogenetically distant (eg. adeF from Acinetobacter baumanni is detected in species from other phyla such as Bacteroides or Campylobacter).

      The second critical issue are detections of genes from VAN operons. These operons are of extreme clinical importance since they confer vancomycin resistance in nosocomial pathogens Enterococci and Staphylococci. Their current bitscore cutoff again return a high rate of false positive, with some detections as low as 30% amino acid identity for van Y (result from CARD-R current version). 90% of RGI users will consider that they effectively have a vancomycin resistance gene in their genome (not even the full operon) and find this alarming.

      These two issues are in my opinion more urgent to solve than the under-detection of betalactamases, because there is already countless published studies reporting over-inflated numbers of resistance genes (including numerous vancomycin resistance) in genomic and metagenomic assemblies based on RGI's results.

    1. Volledig geïnformeerd – Lemon’s theory: over citroenen en peren

      De 'lemon's theorie' (bekend als The Market for Lemons) is een economisch concept uit 1970 van Nobelprijswinnaar George Akerlof. Het verklaart hoe asymmetrische informatie (waarbij de verkoper meer weet over een product dan de koper) kan leiden tot marktfalen, waardoor uiteindelijk alleen slechte producten (citroenen) overblijven.

      Hier is hoe het werkt in de praktijk: De casus (tweedehands auto's): De theorie wordt vaak uitgelegd aan de hand van tweedehands auto's. Er zijn twee soorten auto's: goede auto's en slechte auto's (in Amerikaans-Engels 'lemons' of 'citroenen' genoemd).

      Informatie-ongelijkheid: De verkoper weet precies of de auto goed of slecht is. De koper kan dit aan de buitenkant niet zien en weet dus niet of hij een goede of een slechte auto koopt.

      De gemiddelde prijs: Omdat de koper het risico loopt een 'citroen' te kopen, is hij enkel bereid om de gemiddelde prijs van een auto te betalen.

      Het resultaat (marktfalen): De eigenaren van goede auto's vinden deze gemiddelde prijs veel te laag en halen hun auto uit de verkoop. Hierdoor blijven uiteindelijk alleen de slechte auto's over en stort de markt voor goede auto's in elkaar.

      Wikipedia +1

    1. eLife Assessment

      This study presents potentially important findings linking peripheral inflammation to the remodeling of perinodal adipose tissue and draining lymph nodes, suggesting a mechanism by which local tissue inflammation can reshape LN structure and metabolism. The idea is solid and supported by observations. However, the evidence remains incomplete in parts, as several conclusions rely on correlative weight and cellularity measurements, and macrophage involvement requires further validation.

    2. Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      The idea is super interesting, and the subsequent work is potentially significant because it links peripheral inflammation to remodelling of perinodal adipose tissue and draining lymph nodes. This suggests an antigen-independent manner by which local tissue inflammation can communicate with and reshape immune organ structure and tissue metabolism. However, the evidence is suggestive. For instance, many conclusions rely on correlational weight/cellularity relationships, models with confounders (spontaneous wounding; potentially systemic IMQ), and macrophage dependence inferred from a single pharmacologic approach without definitive depletion/lineage or tracer-based causal link.

      Major Comments:

      (1) "Wounding/fighting" evidence is confounding.

      Unless I am mistaken, a large part of the argument for inflammation-driven perinodal fat pad atrophy and LN expansion relies on spontaneous fighting injuries in co-housed CCR2-/- males, including animals "culled...due to excessive wounding." Because wound severity, duration, infection load, stress, and cage dynamics are uncontrolled, isn't it difficult to assign causality to "cutaneous inflammation"?

      (2) The "CCR2-independent macrophage" conclusion.

      The manuscript interprets persistence/accumulation of macrophages despite reduced inflammatory monocytes as CCR2-independent recruitment or local proliferation. However, CCR2 deficiency can alter immune baselines and long-term tissue remodelling. Perhaps consider bone marrow chimeras (WT to CCR2-/-, CCR2-/- to WT ????) or an inducible CCR2 deletion approach to separate developmental/systemic effects from acute inflammation-driven mechanisms. If "in situ proliferation" is proposed, include a direct readout (e.g., Ki67 in ATMs in the fat pad).

      (3) IMQ and systemic effects.

      The work relies on topical Aldara/imiquimod as an "inflammation without antigen" driver of distal LN/fat-pad remodelling. But IMQ is well known (and cited by the authors) to enter circulation and drive systemic responses, which could blur whether effects are truly draining-site specific vs systemic metabolic/inflammatory effects. It would be ideal to provide systemic context: plasma cytokines and/or metabolic readouts (e.g., circulating FFAs) to distinguish local vs systemic drivers.

      (4) Macrophage dependence is inferred from CSF1R inhibitor treatment.

      However, validation of macrophage depletion and specificity is incomplete. The manuscript uses AZD7507 (CSF1R inhibitor) and observes partial rescue of fat pad/LN phenotype while skin severity (PASI) is unaffected. But, to this reviewer, the data shown do not clearly quantify actual macrophage depletion efficiency in the target fat pad, and LN at endpoint, and CSF1R blockade can affect multiple myeloid populations. Therefore, show absolute macrophage counts (and likely other myeloid populations) in fat pad and LN with/without AZD7507 at the analysed timepoints, not only outcome weights. (The methods describe dosing but not endpoint depletion quantification??)

      (5) Fat pad atrophy/LN expansion is a correlation.

      The paper emphasises negative correlations between fat pad and LN weights/cellularity at baseline and with inflammation. But correlation does not establish whether fat pad lipolysis drives LN expansion, whether LN changes drive fat remodelling, or whether both reflect systemic mediators. Add tissue-level evidence distinguishing true adipocyte loss vs other contributors to "weight change" (e.g., oedema/fibrosis).

      (6) Evidence for "fatty acid donation" from fat pad to LN.

      The lipid data are described as "exemplary," and the inference that LN fatty acids originate from the fat pad is based on temporal ordering and relative abundance. This does not rule out plasma spillover, LN-intrinsic metabolism, or altered lymph flow.

    3. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      The authors aim to demonstrate skin inflammation is associated with fat pad atrophy and lymph node expansion. They further propose that these phenotypes are driven by the recruitment and lipid metabolism of CCR2-independent macrophages.

      The authors took advantage of two skin inflammation models, fight-induced and imauimod-induced skin inflammation and analyzed multiple tissues, including skin, fat pads, and lymph nodes. Using a macropahge-depletion method (e.g., CSF-1R inhibitor), the authors further suggest the inverse correlation between fat pads atrophy and lymph node expansion is macropahge-dependent. While the study identifies this intriguing inverse correlation during skin inflammation, the causal pathway linking fat pad atrophy and lymph nodes enlargement has not been clearly established.

      To improve the rigor of the manuscript, the authors address the following concerns;

      (1) CCR2-deficient mice showed reduced inflammatory monocytes and monocyte-derived macrophages (PMID:16462739; 16341265). During tissue inflammation, CCR2+ classical monocytes are typically recruited to the injured peripheral tissues, including skin, where they differentiate into monocyte-derived macrophages (PMID:38474365). While inflammatory monocytes were reduced in the skin (Figure 3 d), fat pads (Figure 4a, S2D) of CCR2-deficient mice, macrophage numbers were significantly increased in these mice. It remains unclear whether CCR2-independent macrophages were newly recruited from alternative sources or tissue-resident macrophages underwent local self-proliferation to compensate for the loss of CCR2+ monocyte-derived macrophages.

      (2) In line 258, the authors state that there was "a significant reduction in CD11C- CD206+ anti-inflammatory macrophages (Figure 4b i-iii)". However, the quantification data in Figure 4b iii do not appear to show any reduction in anti-inflammatory macrophages in either males or females. Please reconcile this discrepancy between the text and the figure.

      (3) Although CD11C and CD206 were historically used as markers of inflammatory and anti-inflammatory markers, respectively. These markers are no longer considered sufficient to define the macrophage polarization state, particularly in adipose tissue, where they are constitutively expressed by resident macrophages (PMID:34210853). Numerous studies have demonstrated substantial macrophage diversity/heterogeneity across iWAT, eWAT, and brown fat tissues. The authors should discuss adipose macrophage diversity beyond the outdated M1/M2 frame.

    1. Health Minister Datuk Seri Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad said a letter proposing the revocation of the product's notification—their licence for the product to be sold in Malaysia—was issued on Jan 31.

      The Ministry of Health's intervention shows that the brand may face regulatory penalties, including the revocation of its product license for violating advertising guidelines.

    2. videos of hosts promoting skincare products while wearing white coats, resembling medical professionals

      Wearing white coats in promotional videos cause the audiens have a false impression of medical accreditation. This is unethical and it could manipulate public trust of the brand.

    3. posting videos suggesting that its acid-laden peeling solution and sunscreen could be consumed

      The advertisement is misleading because it implies that the cosmetics are safe to consume, and this could pose a serious health risk to consumers.

    1. suppliers with Proximity > 0% forms the project's Supply Chain. The customer then subscribes to selected suppliers, turning them into Subscribed Suppliers — that is the TPRM (Third Party Risk Management) scope.

      TEST

    2. Right side — Supply Chain → TPRM. From the same Things radiate Supplier Connections — links to third-party suppliers detected on the attack surface. Each connection points to a Supplier carrying a Proximity value

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    1. An endolysin containing 15 distinct domains as highlighted in the abstract seems to be very unlikely, but it is not easy to identify the 15-domain lysin in the manuscript. The authors could use spaed.ca to identify and delineate the domains. Possibly multiple domains are in fact a single domain (something frequently observed in CBDs). The authors can also have a glance on phalp.ugent.be and make a comparison of the lysins found in the gut phageome and the 755k lysins found in this database, largely derived from the metagenomic EnVhogDB database. It would be interesting to know how the phageome differentiates in properties from the full metavirome (as we know it today) in terms of lysin diversity.