Prominence again, "most sought-after" also can relate back to the superiority narrative, everyone strived to be like him or around him

This signifies a certain fall from grace from the top. -> News value: Prominence

This signifies power/control over others. Thus the narrative will follow along the lines that Diddy views himself as superior to all and as "king" exerts his power over others.

Italic

Is there even a viable solution? Maybe that could be something to pursue with the project

What constitutes qualifying for government assistance? Is the government creating their own spectrum in order to rectify debt/extravagant costs?

Example of different treatment on the basis of income, some private school families may be on financial-aid and still require government assistance.

Some families may not be able to meet deadlines due to external circumstances, such as unstable home lives or economic problems

What is the determining factor that makes Bill Hwang "deserve" 21 years in prison?

using a quote from one voter. may show similar emotions of voters

title starts with this theme of mixed emotions.

The competition in the free market has brought vitality to the development of social media, but it has also put pressure on people's social life to some extent. For example, due to the fierce competition, companies operating social media are constantly trying to attract more customers. The survival of the fittest between companies and social media platforms has manifested in my life in the sense that people around me tend to prioritize using more fashionable and "cool" social platforms. For example, people used to use Twitter, Facebook a few years ago, but today they may prefer to use Instagram or Douyin. If someone does not update their social media platform like their peers, they are likely to be seen as someone who is "out of touch with the times."

Capitalism is a system that encourages private ownership and free market transactions. Although as a person who grew up in China, capitalism does not seem to get a very positive image in my textbooks, I have to admit that it has played a very positive role in promoting the development of social media. In detail, the private ownership of the capitalist system to a large extent encourages the development of various social media, so that they upgrade their functions in order to win more users, make the social platform more functional, and gradually derive social media from its original role of communication to entertainment, news and other aspects. To a large extent, the development of social media has even replaced the function of television sets. It's been a long time since I volunteered to watch TV.

Capitalism is a system that encourages private ownership and free market transactions. Although as a person who grew up in China, capitalism does not seem to get a very positive image in my textbooks, I have to admit that it has played a very positive role in promoting the development of social media. In detail, the private ownership of the capitalist system to a large extent encourages the development of various social media, so that they upgrade their functions in order to win more users, make the social platform more functional, and gradually derive social media from its original role of communication to entertainment, news and other aspects. To a large extent, the development of social media has even replaced the function of television sets. It's been a long time since I volunteered to watch TV.

This happens way too often. Many times a show or series is ruined by a bad sequel or cheap adaptation. It's really easy to spot out cheap cash grab movies that only reel you in with name value rather than movie quality.

Shareholders, who own parts of the business, have decision-making power based on how much money they’ve invested, meaning the rich have the most influence. From my perspective, this system seems unfair to the poor, who have little say despite being impacted by business decisions, like when companies prioritize profits over employee wages or environmental concerns.

In modern society, it is hard to find "pure monopolies" in industries such as social media or technology. This is due to the sharing of design, service, and customer demands through companies. However, some companies seem to function as monopolies by setting the price of their goods which affects that goods and behaviors of other companies. For example, whenever Apple introduces a price hike or new change to their products (removing headphones and charging brick), other competitors follow.

This shows there is conflict beyond the upcoming election. Him dropping out of the election caused concern for Republicans on Biden's current position.

This is a weird way to state the time. They use minutes instead of hours because they want to show how quick it was.

This is the overall consensus. The opinions of Democratic leaders are the same.

They note this because the Obamas are influential in politics. It is important to state who supports Harris but who has not

even those contesting legitimacy reproduce it immigrant populations

cultural capital acquired to move up socially reference to Goffman's performance as apart of upwards mobility

even if God isn't real- religion maintains enough of a cultural stake to argue over

even contrarians to the field legitimate

Conservation- keep dominance Succession - gain dominance from those who don't have it Subversion- not interested in dominating other groups

more complex than an org. a group, or an institution a bunch of goffman's performance groups

fields are battlegrounds of legitimization the right to use symbolic violence

organized around a capital or a configuration of capitals

field- Bourdieu's unit? network if positions

grandpa example

finds master patterns within each class that show up in cognitive, moral, and corporal dimensions of action

this class charateristics of habitus have their signature in vastly different areas of one's life

perception of limitations become reality

outlook informed by habitus

one fashions there aspirations to what is plausible within class family example

we envision similar futures for ourselves? - share a habitus

Durkheim circulation the external informs the internal the informs the external

internalization of ones own class allows it to reproduce itself

The United States is now the center of attention, and the expectations for this new world power is to excel. Churchill claims that the United States should feel worried about failing to meet these new standards.

This is what can gain the attention of the public. Although the communist parties have previously been smaller, they are rapidly growing and looking to gain control in these countries where possible.

Churchill is clarifying that he is not speaking for anyone but himself, in order to potential stop any negative ramifications that might arise as a result from this speech on a global scale.

Churchill is saying that Truman has given him permission to speak his mind in this speech allowing him to say what he truly believes.

Churchill is pointing to the idea that with this great power, there are nearly infinite avenues for innovation and creation.

Churchill emphasizes that being in the position that the United States is in requires absolute attention. The role of being the primary world power is consequential, and entails ultimate responsibility.

He is saying that he is not only speaking to Americans in the audience, but to the entire world.

Churchill is thanking President Truman for traveling all the way to Missouri, just to hear him give a speech in front of the world.

Churchill believes that this is something that is continuing to spread. He infers that if something isn't done about this, the influence will only become greater.

Churchill is referring to himself receiving a personal invitation by US President, Harry Truman, to come and speak at Westminster College.

The "Soviet sphere" is what Churchill describes as anywhere that the Soviets have influenced in Europe.

Churchill is referring to the borough of the City of Westminster in London. The Houses of Parliament where Churchill worked as Prime Minister is located in Westminster, as well as the famous Westminster Abbey, which is located right next door to the Houses of Parliament and Big Ben.

He gave this speech at Westminster College because it was in Harry Truman's home town, and Truman had given him a personal invitation to come and receive an honorary degree.

This is widely regarded as the most famous line in this speech. The "iron curtain" is what Churchill uses to describe the Soviet Union's control over Eastern Europe and their communist influence.

Westminster College is a 4 year private college in Fulton, Missouri. It was originally founded in 1851. The current undergraduate enrollment is only 601.

VO₂max, of maximale zuurstofopname, is een maat voor de maximale hoeveelheid zuurstof die je lichaam kan gebruiken tijdens intensieve inspanning. Het wordt beschouwd als een belangrijke indicator van cardiovasculaire fitheid en aerobe uithoudingsvermogen.

Using this phrase is important to understand the perception of the situation.

This adds to the pressure that Biden was feeling at the time. He was losing support from his own party.

Adding this could be taken as a cause for suspicion or they believe this is factual.

This was also a concern for Democrats and adding this speaks to the tone of the article. It sheds a more positive light on him dropping out if there is someone he supports stepping in.

Her doing this sends a signal that it was for the best. Her showing her support may show the public that this was his decision and she agrees with it.

His age is the main factor for people's change in opinion about him. How serious were these concerns before the debate?

common trend among articles

This scenario happened recently with Instagram's new threads feature. It tried to become the next Twitter by copying most of Twitter's feature. It released at a good time but didn't do a good job of bringing and maintaining it's userbase.

This sort of behavior of privately owned businesses is exactly why government intervention and regulation is necessary in a capitalist society. Though an unregulated economy would allow corporations to (potentially) make the most profit, the harmful actions such as selling our data to misleading/hateful advertisers may show a increase in violence and more negative effects.

"Using behavioral data for tailored advertisements, while profitable, threatens user autonomy. When platforms like Meta use user data without explicit authorization, it seems invasive—I've seen how quickly advertising change depending on a single search or discussion. This type of tracking makes me feel as if my privacy is continually jeopardized, and it underlines the disparity between profit-driven businesses and user control."

"Surveillance capitalism creates severe ethical concerns, particularly regarding the exploitation of 'behavioral surplus.' Reading about Meta's example of permitting harmful targeted ads reminded me of how I've received strangely particular adverts on Instagram, making me wonder how much the platform knows about me. It's distressing to learn how customer data can be abused, and businesses must accept responsibility for protecting against such behaviors."

I find the inclusion of this paragraph to be interesting. I say that because, if they say they have the top experts and high-tech equipment, why hasn't it been solved yet?

This statement's wording makes it seem that it is not very hopeful. These sort of statements have been said for many years, so why does this murder case come and go in waves of importance?

For context: this unsolved murder case has been ongoing since 1996 and since then many articles I have researched from over the years have stated similar headlines. Is this actually the time progress has been made? Hard to believe since this headline is overused in this case.

a period of reflection or thought

walked down in a specified way

crying noisily

having or showing deep religious feeling or commitment

rarely, infrequently

an Asian evergreen climbing plant that when chewed, causes the saliva to go red and the teeth to go black

unmarried young women

depressing, gloomy

to make a shrill howl, like a cat

a quagmire, a band of mud partially submerged

tired, exhausted

A beneficed member of the clergy ; a clergyman (especially in a protestant church)

dull, heavy

kinda sexy

who was not allowed in a brothel

The network effect means that once English became the standard, everyone had to learn it to participate in programming, making it very hard for non-English programming languages to gain traction. Even native speakers of other languages would face challenges, as they would have to relearn terms they already know in English. This makes me reflect on how deeply language and technology are intertwined and how this might create barriers for people who don’t speak English fluently.

How the hell did she get this magic hat? From the sorcerer, obviously, but it just isn't clear exactly how she got her hands on it.

The closest one gets to a Romantic (ie, the artistic movement) sex scene.

Ah the classic romantic trope of a knight entering a ready-made harem castle.

This passage examines the concept of selection in a social media environment, highlighting how various factors influence whether content gets replicated. It explores human motivations like humor, outrage, self-presentation, or inspiration, alongside decisions made by groups or organizations, such as news outlets amplifying posts deemed newsworthy. Additionally, it addresses artificial influences like paid promotions and astroturfing, where bots are used to artificially replicate content.

This passage discusses strategies used by social media users to game recommendation algorithms, such as clickbait, provocative content, or coordinated actions to boost visibility, which are especially impactful for creators relying on social media income. It also mentions YouTuber F.D. Signifier exploring YouTube’s algorithm and interviewing other creators, particularly Black creators, to shed light on these practices. While these strategies may generate short-term engagement, they also carry risks of backlash.

embarrassing a student is not the way to get them to listen it could do more harm than good.

misbehavior is normal for developing students, which is why its important to curate a good response in managing behavior in a classroom so it doesn't become out of hand

Where can we see this in action?

... to answer the oft-asked question: When will we ever use this?

Agreed. There's no time to waste, and no room for fluff.

Makes me think of the constructivist theory of education.

A useful tool!

dopytać o to

overthinking

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Key participant takeaways 1. Ease/convenience 2. Confidence building 3. Vital that employers and other consumers signal to earners that they value the credentials

We don't talk about this enough. Especially for populations that self-select out of seeking opportunities, the impact of confidence building is a key benefit of credentials.

Value propositions! "I'll believe you about these badges and start to care if you convince me that the employers care." On the employer side, this hints at need to get over it with the real/imagined quality concerns and focus on their need to signal to opportunity seekers, "we value your credentials and want to see them."

Curious what the participant concerns were here

When highlighting features, we might under-index this as a key benefit

In addition, this hints at employMENT verification: this could be a light lift sort of Tier 1 entry point for organizations to be both issuing and consuming credentials. Large employers spend a lot of resources responding to requests to verify former workers' employment histories. If part of off-boarding departing workers includes VCs for official employment verification, that could lead to big savings of time and resources (as long as other employers accept the credentials), as well as accelerate hiring processes that sometimes lead to failed hires bc people find another position that starts sooner. For key HR leaders to start with badging from a place of effortlessly improving their efficiency and costs might be a better place to launch than more involved strategies that offer less immediate value propositions.

NEO-Personality Inventory-Revised (NEO-PI-R) and NEO-PI-3. Five-Factor Personality Inventory (FFPI).

Strong interest inventory

Sixteen Personality Factor Questionnaire (16PF): Based on factor analysis, useful for normal and abnormal personality evaluation. California Psychological Inventory (CPI): Derived from the MMPI, measures traits like responsibility and tolerance. Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI): Based on Carl Jung’s personality type theory, used widely in corporate settings.

No spinning space ships!! .... Please only ones with prudent, wise, and comely (!) admirals.

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• *Reviewer #1 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

The authors present the use of previously identified biosensors in a single-molecule concentration regime to address lipid effector recruitment. Using controlled and careful single-cell based analysis, the study investigates how expression of the commonly used PIP3 sensor based on Akt-PH domain interferes with the native detection of PIP3. Predominantly live-cell fluorescence microscopy coupled to image analysis drives their studies.

Conceptually, this manuscript carefully and quantitatively describes the influence of lipid biosensor overexpression and presents a means to overcome the inherent and long-recognized problems therein. This solution, namely employing low expression of the lipid biosensor, should be generally applicable. The work is of general interest to cell biologists focused on answering questions at membranes and organelles, including especially those interested in lipid-mediated signaling transductions.

Reviewer 1 Major:

#1.1 The terminology "single molecule biosensor" is not really appropriate. A protein is not "single-molecule". An enzyme does not "single molecule". Better is biosensors at single-molecule expression levels. In most cases, this should be changed. Single-molecule vs single-cell vs. bulk measurements are often poorly defined in quantifications and conflating these does not help the case, which is already supported by generally clear data.

We appreciate the reviewer’s thoughtful critique of our grammatically incorrect use of jargon; we saw this as soon as they mentioned it! We have amended the manuscript where appropriate as detailed:

• Title is now changed to “Lipid Biosensors Expressed at Single Molecule Levels Mitigates Inhibition of Endogenous Effector Proteins”
• Last paragraph of the introduction on __ 2__ now reads “As well as alleviating inhibition of PI3K signaling, biosensors expressed at these low levels show improved dynamic range and report more accurate kinetics than their over-expressed counterparts."
• The title of the results section on __ 6__ is now: Mitigating PIP3 competition using biosensors expressed at single molecule levels
• Last paragraph of the results section on 6 now reads: “this showed that when expressed at single molecule levels, the biosensor has substantially better dynamic range”. #1.2 Figure 1D-F, images not as clearly describing quantitation as one would hope. Untransfected cells in 1E should demonstrate more translocated Akt-pS473 than transfected, but it is difficult for this reviewer to find. Consider inset images in addition to the wider field. Consider also moving the "negative" data of Fig 1B-C to Supplement.

We regret not making this figure easier to interpret; we have substantially updated the figure, as comprehensively detailed in our point-by-point response to reviewer 2’s point 2.3. To specifically address this reviewer’s concerns:

The older figure used non-confocal, low-resolution images that were used for quantification. Such an approach was employed to enable fluorescence from the entire cellular volume to be captured, which produces more robust quantification. However, to the reviewer’s point, it is not possible to see the translocation of PH-AKT1 nor translocated AKT-pS473 in these images. Fortunately, we had in parallel captured high resolution confocal images for some experiments. These are now shown in Fig 1D-E, which clearly shows translocated AKT-pS473 and PH-AKT-EGFP

#1.3 The cell line being used is not clearly specified after the initial development of the NG1 followed by CRISPRed NG2 onto Akt. For example, for the Figure 3C experiments, the text states "complete ablation of endogenous AKT1-NG2" but this information is not apparent from the figure legend or figure. Throughout the cell line used and the aspects transfected need to be made explicitly clear.

We are grateful to the reviewer for highlighting this ambiguity. We have now defined the gene-edited cells used throughout as “AKT1-NG2 cells” and expressly used this term when referring to experiments in figures 2-5.

#1.4 Fig. 5 shows single cells. It is therefore unclear if broken promoters have resulted in decreased expression. This point is important because the expression plasmids should be made publicly available, and for their use to be understood properly, this must be clarified. The details of the plasmids are unclear. Perhaps listed in the table? - unclear. This aspect would be important for the field to effectively use the reagents.

Thank you for drawing our attention to the lack of adequate detail here. We have now updated the results text to expressly reference Morita et al., 2022 where the origins of the truncated CMV promoters are detailed. We have also updated the plasmids table 1 to add pertinent details for these constructs: *pCMVd3 plasmids are based on the pEGFP-C1 backbone, with the CMV promoter truncated to remove 18 of the 26 putative transcription factor binding sites in the human Cytomegalovirus Major Intermediate Enhancer/Promoter (pCMV∆3 as described in Morita et al., 2012). The full sequences will be deposited with the plasmids on Addgene.

We did not perform a formal comparison of full vs truncated promoters. Our only observation is that the truncated promoters greatly help in increasing the number of expressing cells presenting single-molecule resolvable expression levels (though the approach can still work with full promoters).

#1.5 This manuscript speculates several times that with more abundant PIs like PI45P2, the observed saturation effect is probably not happening. This should be removed. While the back of envelope calculations may reflect an ideal scenario, the heterogeneity of distribution and multiple key cellular structures involved would seem to corral increased PI45P2 levels in certain regions. These factors amid multivalency and electrostatic mechanisms of lipid effector recruitment (e.g. MARCKS) suggest that speculation may be too strong. Moreover, Maib et al JCB 2024 demonstrated PI4P probe overexpression could directly mask the ability to detect PI4P post-fixation - not fully, but partially. Repeating the titration experiments of this manuscript for multiple PIs is entirely beyond the scope of reasonable, and hence, such experiments are not requested, in favor of adopting more conscientious speculation.

The reviewer’s point is well taken. Whilst we still believe the overall argument for lipids is sounds (for example, PS or cholesterol are far too abundant for any expressed, stoichiometric binding protein to bind the majority of the population) even abundant phosphoinositides like PI4P and PI(4,5)P2 are an edge case. We have therefore undated the first paragraph of the introduction on __p. 1 __to be less explicit: One of the most prominent is the fact that lipid engagement by a biosensor occludes the lipid’s headgroup, blocking its interaction with proteins that mediate biological function. It follows that large fractions of lipid may be effectively outcompeted by the biosensor, inhibiting the associated physiology. We have argued that, in most cases, this is unlikely because the total number of lipid molecules outnumbers expressed biosensors by one to two orders of magnitude (Wills et al., 2018). However, for less abundant lipids, total molecule copy numbers may be in the order of tens to hundreds of thousands, making competition by biosensors a real possibility.

We also removed the explicit discussion of PI(4,5)P2 from the introduction, and focus now solely on the PI3K lipids.

Reviewer 1 Minor:

1.6 Schematics throughout need simplification, enabling their enlargement.

We have now enlarged the size of all schematics

#1.7 Numerous spelling (Fig. 4 schemas) and capitalizations need fixing.

Thank you for drawing our attention to these. We have thoroughly proof-read the figure panels and corrected errors.

#1.8 Pg 1 Famous is not appropriate wording

We respectfully beg to differ with the reviewer here. We believe it is perfectly accurate to state that PIP3 is a second messenger molecule that is known about by many people; we see this as the dictionary definition of the word “famous”.

#1.9 Fig. 1A statistical testing of microscopy quantifications absent (generally, throughout) and should be included.

This was indeed an oversight on our part. We have now added appropriate multiple comparisons tests to the data presented in figures 1F, 3F, 4C, 4F and 5C.

#1.10 Fig.1. In a transient transfection, the protein expression is not uniform. Please explain how you normalized the quantification.

We hope this is now clarified by the expanded “Image Analysis” part of the methods section on pp. 10-11 (relevant sentence is underlined): For immunofluorescence, we identified individual cells by auto thresholding the DAPI channel using the “Huang” method, followed by the Watershed function to segment bunched cells that appeared to touch. We then used the Voronoi function to generate boundary lines for the segmentation of the cells. To identify cytoplasm, auto thresholding of the CellMask channel using the “Huang” function was employed, with the cells segmented by adding the nuclear Voronoi boundaries. The “analyze particles” function was then used to identify individual cellular ROIs that were greater than 10 µm2 and were not touching the image periphery. These ROIs were used to measure the raw 12-bit intensity of the EGFP and AKT-pS473 channels. A cutoff of EGFP > 100 was used to define EGFP-positive cells, since this value was greater than the mean ± 3 standard deviations of the non-transfected cells’ EGFP intensity. Background intensity of AKT-pS473 was estimated from control cells subject to immunofluorescence in the absence of AKT-pS473 antibody; this value was subtracted from the measured values of all other conditions.

#1.11 Fig. 1D. EGFP expression levels increased with EGF stimulation. How is this possible?

There appeared to be a difference due to the presence of 5 strongly expressing cells in the chosen field in the original field for the EGF stimulated, EGFP cells. However, this arose just by chance. The new set of high-resolution images in the new figure 1 were selected to be more representative.

#1.12 Fig. 1D. The images have pS473 whereas the y-axis label on box plots has p473. Can these box plots be labelled separately for consistency?

Thank you. This has now been corrected in the revised Figure 1.

#1.13 Fig.1. T308 phosphorylation is mentioned in Figure 1, but only pS473 data is shown.

Both T308 and S473 phosphorylation are indicative of AKT activation. However, antibodies suitable for immunofluorescence are only available for pS473, hence why our experiments are restricted to this moiety.

#1.14 Fig.1 legend. 'Over-expression of PH-AKT is hypothesised to outcompete the endogenous AKT's PH domain'. Why do you need to state a hypothesis in the legend?

We included this statement for the benefit of the casual reader – i.e. one who looks at the pictures, but doesn’t read the main text!

#1.15 Fig.1E You stated that the PH-AKT R25C-EGFP is stimulated by EGF addition. However, the GFP signal looks the same in both unstimulated and stimulated. Could you please clarify? Are you sure that the stimulation worked?

We have clarified the second paragraph of the results section “Inhibition of AKT activation by PIP3 biosensor”__on __p. 4 as follows: In the non PIP3 binding PH-AKT1R25C-EGFP positive cells, we still observed an increase in pS473 intensity.

The revised figure 1 images also show that PH-AKT1R25C does not translocate to the membrane with EGF stimulation.

#1.16 You mention...that the AKT enzyme is activated by PDK1 and TORC2, which phosphorylate at residues T308 and S473, respectively. Phosphorylation is also known to occur on T450 at c-tail. Does this phosphorylation also contribute to its activation?

Yes and no. Threonine 450 phosphorylation is thought to occur co-translationally and is important for AKT stability (see Truebestein et al as cited in the manuscript). It is not really relevant in the context for T308 and S473, which are phosphorylated acutely to activate the protein.

#1.17 Fig. 1 scale bar in all images equivalent?

We have now added scale bars to panels in both figure 1D and E to clarify.

__#1.18 __Pg. 1 paragraph 1 "we have argued..." vs. paragraph 3"...consider that an..." feels like arguing with themselves.

We believe the re-write we have done in response to major point #1.5 clarifies this point also.

#1.19 Pg. 1 para 3 what is RFC score - must explain

We have now defined this more clearly in third __paragraph of the __introduction on p. 1: PH domain containing PIP3effector proteins can be predicted based on sequence comparison to known PIP3 effectors vs non effectors using a recursive functional classification matrix for each amino acid (Park et al., 2008).

#1.20 Discussion of numbers of PIP3 vs. effectors etc may not be appropriate for the introduction, as the points made by these calculations are already made in the previous paragraphs. May fit better in pg 6 Mitigating PIP3 titration... with an accompanying schematic.

Respectfully, we prefer to keep this discussion of molecular concentrations, as this adds details and specifics to the pathway that is core to the paper.

#1.21 Pg 2 "a neonGreen" not well defined, needs accurate description.

We have clarified this in the sentence in the first paragraph of the results section “Genomic tagging of AKT1…” __on __p. 4, which includes the citation to the full description of the tag: To that end, we used gene editing to incorporate a bright, photostable neonGreen fluorescent protein to the C-terminus of AKT1 via gene editing using a split fluorescent protein approach (Kamiyama et al., 2016).

#1.22 Fig 2C should give a unstimulated trajectory of puncta/100 um2 to compare with the stimulated

Unfortunately, we did not record a full 5.5-minute video-rate time-lapse with unstimulated cells. However, we do not believe this control is essential for this experiment, since this example data is included to illustrate (1) the problem of photobleaching, which is clear in the 30-s pre-stimulus and (2) the variability in the raw molecule counts.

#1.23 Fig 2C and F and G should be systematized for easier comparison. E.g. min vs seconds, 0 timepoint of EGF/rapa addition

We have made the adjustment to figure 2C to be consistent with 2F and G:

#1.24 Pg 5 "...and calibrated them..." unclear what is being calibrated, as the text later states that the histograms are fit to monomer/dimer/multimer model resulting in 98.1% in monomer. Minor point.

We have clarified this point in the second paragraph of the results section “__Genomic tagging of AKT1…” __on __p. 4 __as follows: We analyzed the intensity of these spots and compared them to intensity distributions from a known monomeric protein localized to the plasma membrane (PM) and expressed at single molecule levels

#1.25 Explain why baselines in Fig2CFG are different

We did not comment on figure 2C; it is a single cell measurement, as opposed to the mean of 20 cells reported in F. However, we do now clarify the difference between figure 2F and G as the very end of the “Genomic tagging of AKT1…” results section on p 4: Notably, baseline AKT-NG2 localization increased from ~5 to ~15 per 100 µm2 in iSH2 cells, perhaps because the iSH2 construct does not contain the inhibitory SH2 domains of p85 regulatory subunits, producing higher basal PI3K activity.

#1.26 Fig. 2 has quantification with images; Fig. 3 has it separate. Make consistent.

We sometimes combine images with quantification, and other times separate the panel containing graphs. This is done deliberately, depending on whether the reader is directed to both together, or whether we consider the data separately in the results section.

#1.27 Fig. 3B comes before images? Where are the images? Also, y-axis = Intensity (a.u.). Is intensity just full image field? Or per cell? All very unclear.

We have modified both the graph y-axis label and the figure legend to clarify: (C) TIRF imaging of AKT1-NG2 cells from (B) stimulated with 10 ng/ml EGF

#1.28 Fig. 3C missing images

We believe the reviewer is referring to the mCherry channel for the “0 ng cDNA” condition. These images are missing because they do not exist. Since these cells were transfected with pUC19, there was no mCherry fluorescence to image.

#1.29 Fig 3 C needs brightness/contrast adjusted as images are nearly entirely black (zero values).

We believe the addition of insets addresses this concern. To the reviewer’s specific suggestion, we found that further increases in the brightness and contrast will bring up the camera noise, but this then occludes the signal from single molecules, such as those found after EGF stimulation of the 0 ng condition.

#1.30 Fig 3C needs scale bar systemization

We believe that the incorporation of scaled 6 µm insets addresses this point.

#1.31 Fig 4 needs 4 panels A-D

We have now added these individual panel labels to figure 4.

#1.32 Pg 6 5-OH phosphatases needs reference

We have added a citation to Trésaugues at the very end of the “Sequestration of PIP3 by lipid biosensors” results section on p. 6, which describes the activity of the whole 5-OH phosphatase activity against PIP3, not just the SHIP phosphatases.

#1.33 Fig 5B, make images bigger

Again, we trust that the addition of insets to all single molecule images has addressed this point.

Reviewer 1 Referees cross-commenting**

I have read the other reviews and find them entirely reasonable. My impression is we landed on similar general content that needs work, none of which is out of line. The importance and care taken in the author's work is uniformly lauded.

We agree. At the risk of restoring to alliteration, we have been delighted to receive a trio of clear, concise and consistent comments on the manuscript! We believe it is now much improved.

Reviewer #1 (Significance (Required)):

This manuscript clearly and reasonably demonstrates that the commonly used PIP3 sensor can be titrated to low concentrations, at which it does not interfere with Akt translocation and activation. This work is a good technical reference for the field. Signal transduction and membrane biologists should be especially interested in the data. The reviewer/s have core expertise in phosphoinositides, protein biochemistry, cell biology, and membrane biophysics.

Reviewer #2 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

The authors characterize the inhibition of lipid second messenger mediated cell signaling through lipid biosensors that outcompete endogenous effector proteins. This is a very important study that as it quantitatively assesses an issue that many people suspected to exit, yet never properly characterized. This paper is therefore as much a service to the community as a research study in its own right and should be published without undue delay. I am glad that the authors decided to carry out this study & really appreciate their work.

I do however, have a number of suggestions that I think will make the manuscript stronger and can be readily implemented, mostly by reformulating and/or re-analysis of exiting datasets. I've structured my comments by the datasets in the respective figures to follow the logic of the paper.

Reviewer 2 Major:

#2.1 Throughout the manuscript, statistical tests are missing, e.g. in figures 1C-F. This must be amended in the revised version. The authors are making a very quantitative point about buffering, data should be treated accordingly.

We have now added appropriate multiple comparisons tests to figures 1F, 3F, 4C, 4F and 5C.

#2.2 I do not think that "PIP3 titration" is the best term to describe the observed effect. "Titration" usually implies the controlled modulation of a concentration, e. g. in analytical chemistry. I think either "competitive binding of PIP3" or "buffering of free PIP3" are more adequate.

This point is well taken. We have now replaced the word “titration” throughout, replacing it with either “competitive binding” or “sequestration”.

#2.3 Specific comments: Figure 1

#2.3a Why are data in 1D-Ff shown as median, with interquartile ranges and 10-90 percentile distance when everything else in the paper is mean +/- se? There might be a good reason for it, but I did not find it mentioned everywhere

For consistency’s sake, we have changed figure 1F to show a bar graph, though as noted in the figure legend: Graphs show medians ± 95% confidence interval of the median from 82-160 cells pooled from three experiments (medians are reported since the data are not normally distributed).

#2.3b The authors should test, whether the difference between the +EGF conditions in 1D (EGFP) and 1F (PH-AktR25C-EGFP) is indeed statistically significant. If this observation holds up, what does it mean? Is the mutant still competing with endogenous Akt despite the much-reduced binding affinity? The authors should discuss.

We have re-analyzed the data in figure 1, with the quantitative data presented in figure 1F combined with statistical analysis. The new data shows no significant effect of the PH-AKT1R25C mutant in either resting or EGF stimulated condition

There results are also described in the__ second paragraph__ of the first results section on pp. 3-4: This analysis showed that the R25C mutant had no substantial effect on pS473 levels, whereas wild-type PH-AKT greatly inhibited pS473 staining in EGF-stimulated cells as well as reducing basal levels in serum starved cells (Fig. 1F).

#2.3c How were biosensor/GFP positive cells chosen? Did the authors choose a defined fluorescence intensity cut-off? I think that a pure manual selection is problematic from a methodological point of view as this may introduce biases. Since the authors use Fiji, they can also simply use the "Analyze particles" function, which allows to automatically segment cells from a thresholded image. By choosing the same threshold for all images, it would be ensured that all images are treated exactly the same way.

We had initially opted for manual outlining of cells since automatic segmentation of irregularly-shaped HEK293a cells is imperfect. However, we agree with André that this opens the possibility of bias. We have therefore re-run the analysis with an automated segmentation and thresholding approach, as suggested. This is detailed in the__ second paragraph__ of the first results section on pp. 3-4: In parallel, we imaged cells with a low resolution 0.75 NA air objective to capture fluorescence from the cells’ entire volume, then quantified these images using an automatically determined threshold for GFP-positive cells (see Materials and Methods). This analysis showed that the R25C mutant had no substantial effect on pS473 levels, whereas wild-type PH-AKT greatly inhibited pS473 staining in EGF-stimulated cells as well as reducing basal levels in serum starved cells (Fig. 1F).

Further detail is provided in the first paragraph of the “Image analysis” subsection of the methods on pp. 10-11: For immunofluorescence, we identified individual cells by auto thresholding the DAPI channel using the “Huang” method, followed by the Watershed function to segment bunched cells that appeared to touch. We then used the Voronoi function to generate boundary lines for the segmentation of the cells’ cytoplasm. To identify cytoplasm, auto thresholding of the CellMask channel using the “Huang” function was employed, with the images segmented by adding the nuclear Voronoi boundaries. The “analyze particles” function was then used to identify individual cellular ROIs that were greater than 10 µm2 and were not touching the image periphery. These ROIs were used to measure the raw 12-bit intensity of the EGFP and AKT-pS473 channels. A cutoff of EGFP > 100 was used to define EGFP-positive cells, since this value was greater than the mean ± 3 standard deviations of the untransfected cells’ EGFP intensity. Background intensity of AKT-pS473 was estimated from control cells subject to immunofluorescence with the AKT-pS473 antibody omitted; this value was subtracted from the measured values of all other conditions.

#2.3d I am missing a statement in the methods section that all images were acquired using the same settings.

This was indeed an important oversight on our part – thanks for spotting the omission of this crucial detail. This is now included at the end of the “Immunofluorescence” section of the Methods on pp. 9-10: Identical laser excitation power, scan speeds and photomultiplier gains were used across experiments to enable direct comparison.

#2.3e I recommend that the authors include a single cell correlation plot of EGFP fluorescence intensity vs AktpS473 intensity in Figure 1 D-F. This should be rather informative & make the concentration dependence clear.

We did not observe a strong correlation between PH-AKT1-EGFP intensity and pS473 staining, likely driven by both the imprecision of the cell segmentation and the fact that very low concentrations of PH domain effectively inhibit endogenous AKT1 (as we show in the later figures with the more precise, live cell AKT-NG2 recruitment experiments: see response to #2.5).

#2.3f I further recommend that the authors look at alterations of baseline Akt activity in the presence of the biosensor. In the images it looks like there might be an effect, but this is then lost in the analysis due to the normalization.

As covered in our response to #2.3b, there is indeed an inhibition of baseline pS473 in PH-AKT1-EGFP expressing cells, now explicitly quantified and documented in results.

#2.3g Please include zoomed image insets in Fig. 1D-F, in the current magnification one needs to zoom in quite a bit to see the effect in the raw data. It is a clear effect, but having a zoomed version would make for much easier reading.

We now include high-resolution confocal images instead of low power, low NA volumes as shown in the last version of the manuscript, which we believe addresses this point and also reviewer #1.2.

2.3h Up to the authors: I wonder whether it is possible to extract an IC50 value for the competitive inhibition of Akt by the respective biosensors. The transient expression gives the authors access to a wide range of expression levels at the single cell level, which could be quantified by counterstaining with a EGFP-nanobody at a different color (since the EGFP fluorophore went through the fixation process, it is likely unsuitable for quantification) and microscope calibration. Activity could be quantified as the ratio of observed and expected Akt-pS473 fluorescence (derived from the mean FI per cell from the EGFP control). This is not strictly necessary, but would be a beautiful quantitative experiment, give an easy-to-understand number & make the paper much stronger.

This is a great suggestion, but does not produce precise enough data to work out, as we detail in response to #2.3e. From our data in new figure 3F and figure 5, it seems we have not explored the appropriate expression range to see intermediate levels of inhibition necessary to estimate IC50. This would be a cool experiment though!

__#2.4 __Specific comments: Figure 2. Overall, compelling data. However, 25 molecules/100 um^2 at maximal recruitment feels low. Assuming a total cell surface area of appr. 2000 um^2 per cell and taking a baseline of 5 molecules/100 um^2 into account, this would mean that only about 400 copies of Akt are recruited in response to a pretty robust stimulus. Is it possible that the association reaction of the split GFP is not complete under these conditions? I think that a direct measurement of intracellular endogenous Akt concentration is required to put these numbers into context.

This is an excellent point that we had missed. We now specifically address this point in the third paragraph of the “Genomic tagging of AKT…” section on p. 4: __Accumulation of AKT-NG2 was ~25 molecules per 100 µm2, which assuming a surface area of ~1,500 µm2 per cell corresponds to ~375 molecules total. It should be noted that tagging likely only occurred at a single allele in each cell, and the population still exhibited expression of non-edited AKT1 (__Fig. 2B). Given that HEK293 are known to be pseudotriploid (Bylund et al., 2004), the true number of AKT1 molecules would be at least 1,125. However, given an estimated total copy number of 23,000 AKT1 in these cells (Cho et al., 2022), this is still only about 5%. However, we do not interpret these raw numbers due to uncertainties in the efficiency of NG2 complementation under these conditions, as well as potential for reduced expression from the edited allele.

We also removed the specific comment on molecule density from the abstract.

#2.5 Specific comments: Figure 3 I think that the classification by plasmid dose does not make a lot of sense, as the resulting expression levels are rather similar. I suggest to pool all traces and calculate mean curves by actual expression levels using a binning approach (e.g. 0-50 au, 50-100 au and so on in raw intensity from Figure 3b). If there is an effect in the realized concentration regime, this should pick it up.

This is an excellent suggestion, and we have done just that: thank you! The data is now included as a new panel Fig. 3F. The result is described in the results section, “Sequestration of PIP3 by lipid biosensors”, end of the first paragraph on pp. 4-6: To observe the concentration-dependence of AKT1-PH-mCherry inhibition, we pooled the single cell data from these experiments and split transfected cells into cohorts based on raw expression level (excitation and gain were consistent between experiments, allowing direct comparison). This analysis showed profound inhibition of AKT1-NG2 recruitment at all expression levels, with a slightly reduced effect only visible in the lowest expressing cohort (Fig. 2F).

#2.6 Specific comments: Figure 5 These are very interesting data, in particular with regard to the underlying PIP3 dynamics. I agree with the conclusion of the authors that shielding of PIP3 from degradation is the likely culprit. What I would like to see here is actual kinetic fits - and different terms. On- and off-rate imply biosensor binding, but these are likely rather fast and not on the minute-timescale. The detected processes are much more likely to reflect production and degradation of PIP3 and that should be reflected in the terminology. For the fit: I think that a simple rate law for subsequent reactions ([PIP3]=C(e^-k1t-e^k2t)) will give good results and yield effective rate constants for PIP3 generation and degradation. This implies the quasi-steady state assumption for biosensor binding and implies that [PIP3] is proportional to the biosensor bound [PIP3], but these are reasonable assumptions to make.

The is an excellent suggestion, which we have added. Specifically, fits are now present on Figs. 5G and 5I; we describe these in the last paragraph of results on p. 8: Normalizing data from both expression modes to their maximum response (Fig. 5G) and fitting kinetic profiles for cooperative synthesis and degradation reactionsrevealed the rate of synthesis is remarkably similar: 1.09 min–1 (95% C.I. 1.02-1.17) for single molecule expression vs 1.02 min-1 (95% C.I. 0.98-1.06) for over-expression. On the other hand, degradation slowed with over expression from 0.34 min–1 (95% C.I. 0.24-0.58) to 0.13 min–1 (95% C.I. 0.12-0.15). This is expected, since synthesis of PIP3molecules would not be prevented by biosensor. On the other hand, PIP3 degradation could be slowed by the over-expressed biosensor competing with PTEN and 5-OH phosphatases that degrade PIP3. An even more exaggerated result is achieved with the cPHx1 PI(3,4)P2 biosensor; this shows an increase in fold-change over baseline of 600% for single molecule expression levels, compared to only 100% in over-expressed cells (Fig. 5H). Again, the degradation rate of the signal is substantially slowed by the over-expressed sensor, reducing from 0.27 min–1 (95% C.I. 0.22-0.39) to 0.16 min–1 (95% C.I. 0.14-0.19), whereas synthesis remains only minorly impacted, changing from 0.61 min–1 (95% C.I. 0.57-0.64) to 0.54 min–1 (95% C.I. 0.52-0.56) with over-expression (Fig. 5I). Collectively, these data show that single molecule based PI3K biosensors show improved dynamic range and kinetic fidelity compared to the same sensors over-expressed.

Details of the fits are given in a new methods section on p. 11:

Fitting of reaction kinetics

Curve fitting was performed in Graphpad Prism 9 or later. For the data presented in Figs. 5G and 5I, both synthesis and degradation phases displayed clear “s” shaped profiles not well fit by simple first order kinetics. Since activation of the PI3K pathway involves many multiplicative interactions between adapters and allosteric activation of the enzymes themselves, we assumed cooperativity and fit reactions with the two phase reaction as follows:

Where Ft denotes ∆Ft/∆FMAX, nsyn and ndeg are the Hill coefficients of the respective synthesis and degradation reactions, and the rate constants for the reactions are derived from ksyn = 1/τsyn and kdeg = 1/τdeg.

André Nadler

Reviewer #2 (Significance (Required)):

This is an important paper, analyses the effects of over-expressed lipid biosensors on cell signalling in some detail and will be of significant interest to a broad readership.

Reviewer #3 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

This is essentially a methods paper in which the authors provide a detailed and highly quantitative analysis of the potentially deleterious effects of expressing phosphoinositide-binding domains as biosensors. Specifically, they study the effects on PIP3 signalling, using biosensors that are widely used in the field.

They show that the most-commonly used method of expressing PIP3 biosensors using transient transfection with viral promotors has clear deleterious effects on downstream signalling due to out-competing the endogenous effectors. Importantly, they also describe a new approach to overcome this by developing new plasmids and methodology to express these reporters at low levels.

Reviewer 3 Major comments:

The work in this paper is thorough and very nicely done. I particularly appreciate the efforts to quantitate or estimate actual numbers and densities of molecules, which significantly strengthen their arguments. The data are excellent and strongly support all their conclusions. I would therefore be happy to see this work published in its current form.

Reviewer 3 Minor comments:

I only have some minor and optional suggestions for improvement.

#3.1 In figure 1D-F they show that PH-Atk-EGFP expression can suppress downstream Akt activation by quantifying P-Akt signal my microscopy. In these panels they say tgey selectively measure this in GFP-expressing cells, but it is not clear how they define which cells are expressing GFP - was a threshold used? Also, it would be nice to also measure both PH-Akt-GFP and P-Akt staining by flow cytometry to look for a correlation. Is there a threshold of biosensor expression that blocks downstream signalling, or is there a linear relationship? This might help specifically measure how much biosensor is too much.

This is an important comment, also raised by reviewer 2. We provide a detailed explanation and outline revisions that address this in our response to reviewer #2.3c; essentially, we replaced the analysis with an automated segmentation and quantification, estimating GFP-positive cells from a fraction of non transfected cells. We have not performed a FACS analysis, but as we note in our response to #2.3e __and #2.3h, the correlation between EGFP and pAKT staining is imprecise in these experiments. The new __Fig. 3C does address this point for AKT1-NG2 recruitment, as described in our response to #2.5.

#3.2 Some of their microscopy images (e.g. Fig 1D-F, Fig 5) are very small and would benefit from a zoom box - especially when they are trying to demonstrate single molecule detection.

This is a fair point raised by all of the reviewers in one form or another. We have added zoomed insets to all of the single molecule images in Figs 2-5, and added higher magnification, confocal section images to Fig. 1.

Reviewer #3 (Significance (Required)):

This is both a methods paper and cautionary tale for cell biologists working in this field. Whilst everyone who uses these probes should be aware of the potential risk of biosensors titrating our effectors, this is often not sufficiently acknowledged. This paper is a very nice and clear demonstration of these risks, exemplified with probably the most highly-used biosensor and key downstream signalling pathway.

Whilst the concepts presented are not especially novel, this paper nonetheless makes an important contribution to the community and hopefully will make others more cautious in how they use these biosensors.

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Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

This is essentially a methods paper in which the authors provide a detailed and highly quantitative analysis of the potentially deleterious effects of expressing phosphoinositide-binding domains as biosensors. Specifically, they study the effects on PIP3 signalling, using biosensors that are widely used in the field.

They show that the most-commonly used method of expressing PIP3 biosensors using transient transfection with viral promotors has clear deleterious effects on downstream signalling due to out-competing the endogenous effectors. Importantly, they also describe a new approach to overcome this by developing new plasmids and methodology to express these reporters at low levels.

Major comments:

The work in this paper is thorough and very nicely done. I particularly appreciate the efforts to quantitate or estimate actual numbers and densities of molecules, which significantly strengthen their arguments. The data are excellent and strongly support all their conclusions. I would therefore be happy to see this work published in its current form.

Minor comments:

I only have some minor and optional suggestions for improvement.

In figure 1D-F they show that PH-Atk-EGFP expression can suppress downstream Akt activation by quantifying P-Akt signal my microscopy. In these panels they say tgey selectively measure this in GFP-expressing cells, but it is not clear how they define which cells are expressing GFP - was a threshold used? Also, it would be nice to also measure both PH-Akt-GFP and P-Akt staining by flow cytometry to look for a correlation. Is there a threshold of biosensor expression that blocks downstream signalling, or is there a linear relationship? This might help specifically measure how much biosensor is too much.

Some of their microscopy images (e.g. Fig 1D-F, Fig 5) are very small and would benefit from a zoom box - especially when they are trying to demonstrate single molecule detection.

Significance

This is both a methods paper and cautionary tale for cell biologists working in this field. Whilst everyone who uses these probes should be aware of the potential risk of biosensors titrating our effectors, this is often not sufficiently acknowledged. This paper is a very nice and clear demonstration of these risks, exemplified with probably the most highly-used biosensor and key downstream signalling pathway.

Whilst the concepts presented are not especially novel, this paper nonetheless makes an important contribution to the community and hopefully will make others more cautious in how they use these biosensors.

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Referee #2

Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

The authors characterize the inhibition of lipid second messenger mediated cell signaling through lipid biosensors that outcompete endogenous effector proteins. This is a very important study that as it quantitatively assesses an issue that many people suspected to exit, yet never properly characterized. This paper is therefore as much a service to the community as a research study in its own right and should be published without undue delay. I am glad that the authors decided to carry out this study & really appreciate their work.

I do however, have a number of suggestions that I think will make the manuscript stronger and can be readily implemented, mostly by reformulating and/or re-analysis of exiting datasets. I've structured my comments by the datasets in the respective figures to follow the logic of the paper.

• Throughout the manuscript, statistical tests are missing, e.g. in figures 1C-F. This must be amended in the revised version. The authors are making a very quantitative point about buffering, data should be treated accordingly.
• I do not think that "PIP3 titration" is the best term to describe the observed effect. "Titration" usually implies the controlled modulation of a concentration, e. g. in analytical chemistry. I think either "competitive binding of PIP3" or "buffering of free PIP3" are more adequate.

Specific comments:Figure 1

• Why are data in 1D-Ff shown as median, with interquartile ranges and 10-90 percentile distance when everything else in the paper is mean +/- se? There might be a good reason for it, but I did not find it mentioned everywhere
• The authors should test, whether the difference between the +EGF conditions in 1D (EGFP) and 1F (PH-AktR25C-EGFP) is indeed statistically significant. If this observation holds up, what does it mean? Is the mutant still competing with endogenous Akt despite the much-reduced binding affinity? The authors should discuss.
• How were biosensor/GFP positive cells chosen? Did the authors choose a defined fluorescence intensity cut-off? I think that a pure manual selection is problematic from a methodological point of view as this may introduce biases. Since the authors use Fiji, they can also simply use the "Analyze particles" function, which allows to automatically segment cells from a thresholded image. By choosing the same threshold for all images, it would be ensured that all images are treated exactly the same way.
• I am missing a statement in the methods section that all images were acquired using the same settings.
• I recommend that the authors include a single cell correlation plot of EGFP fluorescence intensity vs AktpS473 intensity in Figure 1 D-F. This should be rather informative & make the concentration dependence clear.
• I further recommend that the authors look at alterations of baseline Akt activity in the presence of the biosensor. In the images it looks like there might be an effect, but this is then lost in the analysis due to the normalization.
• Please include zoomed image insets in Fig. 1D-F, in the current magnification one needs to zoom in quite a bit to see the effect in the raw data. It is a clear effect, but having a zoomed version would make for much easier reading.
• Up to the authors: I wonder whether it is possible to extract an IC50 value for the competitive inhibition of Akt by the respective biosensors. The transient expression gives the authors access to a wide range of expression levels at the single cell level, which could be quantified by counterstaining with a EGFP-nanobody at a different color (since the EGFP fluorophore went through the fixation process, it is likely unsuitable for quantification) and microscope calibration. Activity could be quantified as the ratio of observed and expected Akt-pS473 fluorescence (derived from the mean FI per cell from the EGFP control). This is not strictly necessary, but would be a beautiful quantitative experiment, give an easy-to-understand number & make the paper much stronger.

Specific comments:Figure 2

• Overall, compelling data. However, 25 molecules/100 um^2 at maximal recruitment feels low. Assuming a total cell surface area of appr. 2000 um^2 per cell and taking a baseline of 5 molecules/100 um^2 into account, this would mean that only about 400 copies of Akt are recruited in response to a pretty robust stimulus. Is it possible that the association reaction of the split GFP is not complete under these conditions? I think that a direct measurement of intracellular endogenous Akt concentration is required to put these numbers into context.

Specific comments:Figure 3

• I think that the classification by plasmid dose does not make a lot of sense, as the resulting expression levels are rather similar. I suggest to pool all traces and calculate mean curves by actual expression levels using a binning approach (e.g. 0-50 au, 50-100 au and so on in raw intensity from Figure 3b). If there is an effect in the realized concentration regime, this should pick it up.

Specific comments:Figure 5

• These are very interesting data, in particular with regard to the underlying PIP3 dynamics. I agree with the conclusion of the authors that shielding of PIP3 from degradation is the likely culprit. What I would like to see here is actual kinetic fits - and different terms. On- and off-rate imply biosensor binding, but these are likely rather fast and not on the minute-timescale. The detected processes are much more likely to reflect production and degradation of PIP3 and that should be reflected in the terminology. For the fit: I think that a simple rate law for subsequent reactions ([PIP3]=C(e^-k1t-e^k2t)) will give good results and yield effective rate constants for PIP3 generation and degradation. This implies the quasi-steady state assumption for biosensor binding and implies that [PIP3] is proportional to the biosensor bound [PIP3], but these are reasonable assumptions to make.

André Nadler

Significance

This is an important paper, analyses the effects of over-expressed lipid biosensors on cell signalling in some detail and will be of significant interest to a broad readership.

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Referee #1

Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

The authors present the use of previously identified biosensors in a single-molecule concentration regime to address lipid effector recruitment. Using controlled and careful single-cell based analysis, the study investigates how expression of the commonly used PIP3 sensor based on Akt-PH domain interferes with the native detection of PIP3. Predominantly live-cell fluorescence microscopy coupled to image analysis drives their studies.

Conceptually, this manuscript carefully and quantitatively describes the influence of lipid biosensor overexpression and presents a means to overcome the inherent and long-recognized problems therein. This solution, namely employing low expression of the lipid biosensor, should be generally applicable. The work is of general interest to cell biologists focused on answering questions at membranes and organelles, including especially those interested in lipid-mediated signaling transductions.

Major:

1. The terminology "single molecule biosensor" is not really appropriate. A protein is not "single-molecule". An enzyme does not "single molecule". Better is biosensors at single-molecule expression levels. In most cases, this should be changed. Single-molecule vs single-cell vs. bulk measurements are often poorly defined in quantifications and conflating these does not help the case, which is already supported by generally clear data.
2. Figure 1D-F, images not as clearly describing quantitation as one would hope. Untransfected cells in 1E should demonstrate more translocated Akt-pS473 than transfected, but it is difficult for this reviewer to find. Consider inset images in addition to the wider field. Consider also moving the "negative" data of Fig 1B-C to Supplement.
3. The cell line being used is not clearly specified after the initial development of the NG1 followed by CRISPRed NG2 onto Akt. For example, for the Figure 3C experiments, the text states "complete ablation of endogenous AKT1-NG2" but this information is not apparent from the figure legend or figure. Throughout the cell line used and the aspects transfected need to be made explicitly clear.
4. Fig. 5 shows single cells. It is therefore unclear if broken promoters have resulted in decreased expression. This point is important because the expression plasmids should be made publicly available, and for their use to be understood properly, this must be clarified. The details of the plasmids are unclear. Perhaps listed in the table? - unclear. This aspect would be important for the field to effectively use the reagents.
5. This manuscript speculates several times that with more abundant PIs like PI45P2, the observed saturation effect is probably not happening. This should be removed. While the back of envelope calculations may reflect an ideal scenario, the heterogeneity of distribution and multiple key cellular structures involved would seem to corral increased PI45P2 levels in certain regions. These factors amid multivalency and electrostatic mechanisms of lipid effector recruitment (e.g. MARCKS) suggest that speculation may be too strong. Moreover, Maib et al JCB 2024 demonstrated PI4P probe overexpression could directly mask the ability to detect PI4P post-fixation - not fully, but partially. Repeating the titration experiments of this manuscript for multiple PIs is entirely beyond the scope of reasonable, and hence, such experiments are not requested, in favor of adopting more conscientious speculation.

Minor:

1. Schematics throughout need simplification, enabling their enlargement.
2. Numerous spelling (Fig. 4 schemas) and capitalizations need fixing.
3. Pg 1 Famous is not appropriate wording
4. Fig. 1A statistical testing of microscopy quantifications absent (generally, throughout) and should be included.
5. Fig.1. In a transient transfection, the protein expression is not uniform. Please explain how you normalized the quantification.
6. Fig. 1D. EGFP expression levels increased with EGF stimulation. How is this possible?
7. Fig. 1D. The images have pS473 whereas the y-axis label on box plots has p473. Can these box plots be labelled separately for consistency?
8. Fig.1. T308 phosphorylation is mentioned in Figure 1, but only pS473 data is shown.
9. Fig.1 legend. 'Over-expression of PH-AKT is hypothesised to outcompete the endogenous AKT's PH domain'. Why do you need to state a hypothesis in the legend?
10. Fig.1E You stated that the PH-AKT R25C-EGFP is stimulated by EGF addition. However, the GFP signal looks the same in both unstimulated and stimulated. Could you please clarify? Are you sure that the stimulation worked?
11. You mention...that the AKT enzyme is activated by PDK1 and TORC2, which phosphorylate at residues T308 and S473, respectively. Phosphorylation is also known to occur on T450 at c-tail. Does this phosphorylation also contribute to its activation?
12. Fig. 1 scale bar in all images equivalent?
13. Pg. 1 paragraph 1 "we have argued..." vs. paragraph 3"...consider that an..." feels like arguing with themselves.
14. Pg. 1 para 3 what is RFC score - must explain
15. Discussion of numbers of PIP3 vs. effectors etc may not be appropriate for the introduction, as the points made by these calculations are already made in the previous paragraphs. May fit better in pg 6 Mitigating PIP3 titration... with an accompanying schematic.
16. Pg 2 "a neonGreen" not well defined, needs accurate description.
17. Fig 2C should give a unstimulated trajectory of puncta/100 um2 to compare with the stimulated
18. Fig 2C and F and G should be systematized for easier comparison. E.g. min vs seconds, 0 timepoint of EGF/rapa addition
19. Pg 5 "...and calibrated them..." unclear what is being calibrated, as the text later states that the histograms are fit to monomer/dimer/multimer model resulting in 98.1% in monomer. Minor point.
20. Explain why baselines in Fig2CFG are different
21. Fig. 2 has quantification with images; Fig. 3 has it separate. Make consistent.
22. Fig. 3B comes before images? Where are the images? Also, y-axis = Intensity (a.u.). Is intensity just full image field? Or per cell? All very unclear.
23. Fig. 3C missing images
24. Fig 3 C needs brightness/contrast adjusted as images are nearly entirely black (zero values).
25. Fig 3C needs scale bar systemization
26. Fig 4 needs 4 panels A-D
27. Pg 6 5-OH phosphatases needs reference
28. Fig 5B, make images bigger

Referees cross-commenting

I have read the other reviews and find them entirely reasonable. My impression is we landed on similar general content that needs work, none of which is out of line. The importance and care taken in the author's work is uniformly lauded.

Significance

This manuscript clearly and reasonably demonstrates that the commonly used PIP3 sensor can be titrated to low concentrations, at which it does not interfere with Akt translocation and activation. This work is a good technical reference for the field. Signal transduction and membrane biologists should be especially interested in the data. The reviewer/s have core expertise in phosphoinositides, protein biochemistry, cell biology, and membrane biophysics.

eLife Assessment

This study reports that activation of TFEB promotes lysosomal exocytosis and clearance of cholesterol from lysosomes, the strength of evidence for which is solid and considered valuable in the context of Niemann-Pick Disease Type C. However, beyond this aspect of the study, the reviewers found the strength of the evidence to be incomplete. The manuscript also needs careful editing to improve readability.

Reviewer #1 (Public review):

Summary:

The authors are trying to determine if SFN treatment results in dephosphorylation of TFEB, subsequent activation of autophagy-related genes, exocytosis of lysosomes, and reduction in lysosomal cholesterol levels in models of NPC disease.

Strengths:

(1) Clear evidence that SFN results in translocation of TFEB to the nucleus.

(2) In vivo data demonstrating that SFN can rescue Purkinje neuron number and weight in NPC1-/- animals.

Weaknesses:

(1) Lack of molecular details regarding how SFN results in dephosphorylation of TFEB leading to activation of the aforementioned pathways. Currently, datasets represent correlations.

(2) Based on the manuscript narrative, discussion, and data it is unclear exactly how steady-state cholesterol would change in models of NPC disease following SFN treatment. Yes, there is good evidence that lysosomal flux to (and presumably across) the plasma membrane increases with SFN. However, lysosomal biogenesis genes also seem to be increasing. Given that NPC inhibition, NPC1 knockout, or NPC1 disease mutations are constitutively present and the cell models of NPC disease contain lysosomes (even with SFN) how could a simple increase in lysosomal flux decrease cholesterol levels? It would seem important to quantify the number of lysosomes per cell in each condition to begin to disentangle differences in steady state number of lysosomes, number of new lysosomes, and number of lysosomes being exocytosed.

(3) Lack of evidence supporting the authors' premise that "SFN could be a good therapeutic candidate for neuropathology in NPC disease".

Reviewer #2 (Public review):

Summary:

This study presents a valuable finding that the activation of TFEB by sulforaphane (SFN) could promote lysosomal exocytosis and biogenesis in NPC, suggesting a potential mechanism by SFN for the removal of cholesterol accumulation, which may contribute to the development of new therapeutic approaches for NPC treatment.

Strengths:

The cell-based assays are convincing, utilizing appropriate and validated methodologies to support the conclusion that SFN facilitates the removal of lysosomal cholesterol via TFEB activation.

Weaknesses:

(1) The in vivo experiments demonstrate the therapeutic potential of SFN for NPC. A clear dose-response analysis would further strengthen the proposed therapeutic mechanism of SFN. Additional data supporting the activation of TFEB by SFN for cholesterol clearance in vivo would strengthen the overall impact of the study

(2) In Figure 4, the authors demonstrate increased lysosomal exocytosis and biogenesis by SFN in NPC cells. Including a TFEB-KO/KD in this assay would provide additional validation of whether these effects are TFEB-dependent.

(3) For lysosomal pH measurement, the combination of pHrodo-dex and CF-dex enables ratiometric pH measurement. However, the pKa of pHrodo red-dex (according to Invitrogen) is ~6.8, while lysosomal pH is typically around 4.7. This discrepancy may account for the lack of observed lysosomal pH changes between WT and U18666A-treated cells. Notably, previous studies (PMID: 28742019) have reported an increase in lysosomal pH in U18666A-treated cells.

(4) The authors are also encouraged to perform colocalization studies between CF-dex and a lysosomal marker, as some researchers may be concerned that NPC1 deficiency could reduce or block the trafficking of dextran along endocytosis.

(5) In vivo data supporting the activation of TFEB by SFN for cholesterol clearance would significantly enhance the impact of the study. For example, measuring whole-animal or brain cholesterol levels would provide stronger evidence of SFN's therapeutic potential.

Reviewer #3 (Public review):

Summary:

The authors demonstrate that activation of TFEB facilitates cholesterol clearance in cell models of Niemann-Pick type C (NPC). This is done through a variety of approaches including activation of TFEB by sulforaphane (SFN), a naturally occurring small-molecule TFEB agonist. SFN induces TFEB nuclear translocation and promotes lysosomal exocytosis. In an NPC mouse model, SFN dephosphorylates/activates TFEB in the brain and rescues the loss of Purkinje cells.

Strengths:

NPC is a severe disease and there is little in the way of treatment. The manuscript points towards some treatment options. However, the title, the title "Small-molecule activation of TFEB Alleviates Niemann-Pick Disease..." is far too strong and should be changed.

Weaknesses:

(1) The manuscript is extremely hard to read due to the writing; it needs careful editing for grammar and English.

(2) There are a number of important technical issues that need to be addressed.

(3) The TFEB influence on filipin staining in Figure 1A is somewhat subtle. In the mCherry alone panels there is a transfected cell with no filipin staining and the mCherry-TFEBS211A cells still show some filipin staining.

(4) Figure 1C is impressive for the upregulation of filipin with U18666A treatment. However, SFN is used at 15 microM. This must be hitting multiple pathways. Vauzour et al (PMID: 20166144) use SFN at 10 nM to 1microM. Other manuscripts use it in the low microM range. The authors should repeat at least some key experiments using SFN at a range of concentrations from perhaps 100 nM to 5 microM. The use of 15 microM throughout is an overall concern.

Author Response:

Thank you for your interest in our paper. We would also like to thank the anonymous reviewers for their critical and constructive comments. Although the reviewers found our work interesting, they raised several important concerns about our study. To address these concerns, mostly we will perform new experiments as following.

1. Examine whether antioxidant-NAC can block SFN-induced TFEB-nuclear translocation in NPC cells;

2. Examine whether calcineurin inhibitor (FK506+CsA) or Ca 2+ inhibitor (Bapta-AM) can block SFN-induced TFEB-nuclear translocation in NPC cells.

3. Investigate whether cholesterol was cleared by activation of TFEB by SFN in vivo tissues.

4. Investigate whether SFN-evoked the lysosomal exocytosis is TFEB-dependent by using TFEB-KO cells.

5. Examine the effect of NPC1 deficiency on dextran trafficking by studying the localization of CF- dex and Lamp1.

6. Perform cytotoxicity experiments to examine whether SFN used in this study is cytotoxic in various cell lines

In addition, according to the reviewers’ suggestions, we will make clarifications and corrections wherever appropriate in the manuscript. Below please find our point-by-point responses and plans to the reviewers’ comments.

Reviewer #1 (Public review):

Summary:

The authors are trying to determine if SFN treatment results in dephosphorylation of TFEB, subsequent activation of autophagy-related genes, exocytosis of lysosomes, and reduction in lysosomal cholesterol levels in models of NPC disease.

Strengths:

(1) Clear evidence that SFN results in translocation of TFEB to the nucleus.

(2) In vivo data demonstrating that SFN can rescue Purkinje neuron number and weight in NPC1-/- animals.

Thank you for the support!

Weaknesses:

(1) Lack of molecular details regarding how SFN results in dephosphorylation of TFEB leading to activation of the aforementioned pathways. Currently, datasets represent correlations.

Thank you for this constructive comment. The reviewer is right that in this manuscript the molecular mechanism of SFN-activated TFEB has not been discussed in details. Because previously we have shown that SFN induces TFEB nuclear translocation via a Ca 2+ - dependent but MTOR (mechanistic target of rapamycin kinase)-independent mechanism through a moderate increase in reactive oxygen species (ROS). And calcineurin-mediated TFEB dephosphorylation underlies SFN-induced TFEB activation. These data have been published in 2021 autophagy (Li, Shao et al. 2021) . Therefore, in this study we did not mention this part. We will add the molecular mechanism of TFEB activation by SFN in the discussion part. And to further confirm this mechanism in NPC cells, we will also perform experiments including: 1) examine whether antioxidant-NAC can block SFN-induced TFEB-nuclear translocation in NPC cells; 2) examine whether calcineurin inhibitor (FK506+CsA) can block SFN-induced TFEB-nuclear translocation in NPC cells.

(2) Based on the manuscript narrative, discussion, and data it is unclear exactly how steady-state cholesterol would change in models of NPC disease following SFN treatment. Yes, there is good evidence that lysosomal flux to (and presumably across) the plasma membrane increases with SFN. However, lysosomal biogenesis genes also seem to be increasing. Given that NPC inhibition, NPC1 knockout, or NPC1 disease mutations are constitutively present and the cell models of NPC disease contain lysosomes (even with SFN) how could a simple increase in lysosomal flux decrease cholesterol levels? It would seem important to quantify the number of lysosomes per cell in each condition to begin to disentangle differences in steady state number of lysosomes, number of new lysosomes, and number of lysosomes being exocytosed.

Thank you for the suggestion. It is important to define the three states 1) original number of lysosomes, 2) number of new lysosomes, and 3) number of lysosomes being exocytosis. However, we have checked literature, so far it seems that there is no good method that could clearly differentiate the three states of lysosomes.

(3) Lack of evidence supporting the authors' premise that "SFN could be a good therapeutic candidate for neuropathology in NPC disease".

Suggestion was taken! We will investigate whether cholesterol was reduced by activation of TFEB by SFN in vivo to strength the point that SFN could be a potential therapeutic compound for NPC treatment. And to avoid confusion, we have removed this sentence.

Reviewer #2 (Public review):

Summary:

This study presents a valuable finding that the activation of TFEB by sulforaphane (SFN) could promote lysosomal exocytosis and biogenesis in NPC, suggesting a potential mechanism by SFN for the removal of cholesterol accumulation, which may contribute to the development of new therapeutic approaches for NPC treatment.

Strengths:

The cell-based assays are convincing, utilizing appropriate and validated methodologies to support the conclusion that SFN facilitates the removal of lysosomal cholesterol via TFEB activation.

Weaknesses:

(1) The in vivo experiments demonstrate the therapeutic potential of SFN for NPC. A clear dose-response analysis would further strengthen the proposed therapeutic mechanism of SFN. Additional data supporting the activation of TFEB by SFN for cholesterol clearance in vivo would strengthen the overall impact of the study

We understand the reviewer’s point. We examined two doses of SFN-30 and 50mg/kg. As shown in Fig.6, SFN (50mg/kg), but not 30mg/kg prevents a degree of Purkinje cell loss in the lobule IV/V of cerebellum, suggesting a dose-correlated preventive effect of SFN. In vivo experiments with higher concentrations of SFN and optimized dosage form of SFN were planned in the future study, but will not be included in this study.

We will investigate whether cholesterol was cleared by activation of TFEB by SFN in vivo.

(2) In Figure 4, the authors demonstrate increased lysosomal exocytosis and biogenesis by SFN in NPC cells. Including a TFEB-KO/KD in this assay would provide additional validation of whether these effects are TFEB-dependent.

Thank you for this valuable suggestion. We will investigate whether SFN-evoked the lysosomal exocytosis is TFEB-dependent by using TFEB-KO cells.

(3) For lysosomal pH measurement, the combination of pHrodo-dex and CF-dex enables ratiometric pH measurement. However, the pKa of pHrodo red-dex (according to Invitrogen) is ~6.8, while lysosomal pH is typically around 4.7. This discrepancy may account for the lack of observed lysosomal pH changes between WT and U18666A-treated cells. Notably, previous studies (PMID: 28742019) have reported an increase in lysosomal pH in U18666A-treated cells.

We understand the reviewer’s point. But we used pHrodo™ Green-Dextran (P35368, Invitrogen), but not pHrodo red-dex to measure the lysosomal luminal acidity. According to the product information from Invitrogen, pHrodo Green-dex conjugates are non-fluorescent at neural pH, but fluorescence bright green at acidic pH ranges 4-9, such as those in endosomes and lysosomes. Therefore, pHrodo Green-dex can be used to monitor the acidity of lysosome (Hu, Li et al. 2022) . We also used LysoTracker Red DND-99 (Thermo Scientific, L7528) to measure lysosomal pH (Fig. 4G, H), which is consistent with results of pHrodo Green/CF measurement. Overall, in our hands, we have not detected pH change of lysosomes in U18666A-treated NPC1 cell models.

(4) The authors are also encouraged to perform colocalization studies between CF-dex and a lysosomal marker, as some researchers may be concerned that NPC1 deficiency could reduce or block the trafficking of dextran along endocytosis.

Suggestion was taken! We will examine the effect of NPC1 deficiency on dextran trafficking by studying the localization of CF-dex and Lamp1.

(5) In vivo data supporting the activation of TFEB by SFN for cholesterol clearance would significantly enhance the impact of the study. For example, measuring whole-animal or brain cholesterol levels would provide stronger evidence of SFN's therapeutic potential.

We really appreciate the reviewer’s suggestions. We will investigate whether cholesterol was cleared by activation of TFEB by SFN in vivo.

Reviewer #3 (Public review):

Summary:

The authors demonstrate that activation of TFEB facilitates cholesterol clearance in cell models of Niemann-Pick type C (NPC). This is done through a variety of approaches including activation of TFEB by sulforaphane (SFN), a naturally occurring small-molecule TFEB agonist. SFN induces TFEB nuclear translocation and promotes lysosomal exocytosis. In an NPC mouse model, SFN dephosphorylates/activates TFEB in the brain and rescues the loss of Purkinje cells.

Strengths:

NPC is a severe disease and there is little in the way of treatment. The manuscript points towards some treatment options. However, the title, the title "Small-molecule activation of TFEB Alleviates Niemann-Pick Disease..." is far too strong and should be changed.

Weaknesses:

(1) The manuscript is extremely hard to read due to the writing; it needs careful editing for grammar and English.

We will thoroughly check grammar to improve the manuscript.

(2) There are a number of important technical issues that need to be addressed.

We will address the technical issues mentioned in the following.

(3) The TFEB influence on filipin staining in Figure 1A is somewhat subtle. In the mCherry alone panels there is a transfected cell with no filipin staining and the mCherry-TFEBS211A cells still show some filipin staining.

We understand the reviewer’s point. We will investigate whether cholesterol is cleared by activation of TFEB by SFN in vivo.

(4) Figure 1C is impressive for the upregulation of filipin with U18666A treatment. However, SFN is used at 15 microM. This must be hitting multiple pathways. Vauzour et al (PMID: 20166144) use SFN at 10 nM to 1microM. Other manuscripts use it in the low microM range. The authors should repeat at least some key experiments using SFN at a range of concentrations from perhaps 100 nM to 5 microM. The use of 15 microM throughout is an overall concern.

We understand the reviewer’s point. See RESPONSE #1, previously we have shown that SFN (10–15 μM, 2–9 h) induces robust TFEB nuclear translocation in a dose- and time-dependent manner in HeLa GFP-TFEB stable cells as well as in other human cell lines without cytotoxicity (Li, Shao et al. 2021) . According to previous results, in this study, we chose SFN (15 μM) to examine its effect on cholesterol clearance. We will add the information in the discussion part. In this study, we will perform dose-response TFEB nuclear translocation in NPC model cells as well as cytotoxicity experiments to examine whether the concentrations of SFN used in various cell lines are toxic.

References:

Hu, M. Q., P. Li, C. Wang, X. H. Feng, Q. Geng, W. Chen, M. Marthi, W. L. Zhang, C. L. Gao, W. Reid, J. Swanson, W. L. Du, R. Hume and H. X. Xu (2022). "Parkinson's disease-risk protein TMEM175 is a proton-activated proton channel in lysosomes.” Cell 185(13): 2292-+.

Li, D., R. Shao, N. Wang, N. Zhou, K. Du, J. Shi, Y. Wang, Z. Zhao, X. Ye, X. Zhang and H. Xu (2021). “Sulforaphane Activates a lysosome-dependent transcriptional program to mitigate oxidative stress.” Autophagy 17(4): 872-887.

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What an interesting metaphor: the wounded giant as a heckled artist.

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the eu commision report, is focusing on the negative effects of cc for the european continent, stressing that the southern countries and in some cases the Balkans, are the ones that wil mainly be influenced by cc. Agriculture as we have seen in many previous readings today, will decline bc of drought and extreme weathwer events in countries such as greece italy and spain. The bad thing is, that since southern economies are very connected to agriculture, this deterioration, will have a negative effect in the whole country bc the infrasrructure is not good, and it cannot easily repair potential damages caused by CC.

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I started reading this paper with great interest, which flagged over time. As someone with extensive experience both publishing peer-reviewed research articles and working with publication data (Web of Science, Scopus, PubMed, PubMedCentral) I understand there are vagaries in the data because of how and when it was collected, and when certain policies and processes were implemented. For example, as an author starting in the late 1980s, we were instructed by the journal “guide to authors” to use only initials. My early papers were all only using initials. This changed in the mid-late 1990s. Another example, when working with NIH publications data, one knows dates like 1946 (how far back MedLine data go), 1996 (when PubMed was launched), and 2000 (when PubMedCentral was launched) and 2008 (when NIH Open Access policy enacted). There are also intermediate dates for changes in curation policy…. that underlie a transition from initials to full name in the biomedical literature.

I realize that the study covers all research disciplines, but still I am surprised that the authors of this paper don’t start with an examination of the policies underlying publications data, and only get to this at the end of a fairly torturous study.

As a reader, this reviewer felt pulled all over the place in this article and increasingly frustrated that this is a paper that explores the Dimensions database vagaries only and not really the core overall challenges of bibliometric data, irrespective of data source. Dimensions ingests data from multiple sources — so any analysis of its contents needs to examine those sources first.

A few specific comments:

• The “history of science” portion of the paper focuses on English learned societies in the 17th century. There were many other learned societies across Europe, and also “papers” (books, treatises) from long before the 17th century in Middle-eastern and Asian countries (e.g, see history of mathematics, engineering, governance and policy, etc.). These other histories were not acknowledged by the authors. Research didn’t just spring full-formed out of Zeus’ head.

• It is unclear throughout if the authors are referring to science, research, which disciplines are or are not included. The first chart on discipinary coverage is Fig 13 and goes back to 1940ish. Also, which languages are included in the analysis? For example, Figure 2 says “academic output” but from which academies? What countries? What languages? Disciplines? Also, in Figure 2, this reviewer would have like to see discussion about the variability in the noisiness of the data over time.

• The inclusion of gender in the paper misses the mark for this reviewer. When dealing with initials, how can one identify gender? And when working in times/societies where women had to hide their identity to be published…. how can a name-based analysis of gender be applied? If this paper remains a study of the “initial era”, this reviewer recommends removing the gender analysis.

• Reference needed for “It is just as important to see ourselves reflected in the outputs of the research careers…” (section B).

• Reference needed for “This period marked the emergence of “Big Science” (Section B). How do we know this is Big Science? What is the relationship with the nature of science careers? Here it would be useful perhaps to mention that postdocs were virtually unheard of before Sputnik.

• Fig 3. This would be more effective as a % total papers than absolute #.

• Gradual Evolution of the Scholarly Record. This reviewer would like to see proportion of papers without authors. A lot of history of science research is available for this period, and a few references here would be welcome, as well as a by-country analysis (or acknowledgement that the data are largely from Europe and/or English-speaking countries).

• Accelerated Changes in Recent Times. Again, this reviewer would like to see reference to scholarship on the history of science. One of the things happening in the post WW2 timeframe is the increase in government spending (in the US particularly) on R&D and academic research. So, is the academy changing or is it responding to “market forces”.

• Reflective richness of data. “Evolution of the research community” is not described in the text, not is collaborative networks.

• In the following paragraph, one could argue that evaluation was a driver of change, not a response to it. This reviewer would like to see references here.

• II. Methodology. (i) 2nd sentence missing “to” “… and full form to refer to an author name…”. (ii) 2nd para the authors talk about epochs, but the data could be (are) discontinuous because of (a) curation policy, (b) curation technology, (c) data sources (e.g., Medline rolled out in the 1960s and back-populated to 1946). (iii) 4th para referes to Figs 3 and 4 showing a marked change between 1940 and 1950, but Fig 3 goes back only to 1960, and Fig 4 is so compressed it is hard to see anything in that time range. (iv) Para 7. “the active publishing community is a reasonable proxy for the global research population”. We need a reference here and more analysis. Is this Europe? English language? Which disciplines? All academia? Dimensions data? (v) Para 12 “In exploring the issue of gender…” see comments above. Gender is an important consideration but is out of scope, in this reviewer’s opinion, for this paper focused on use of initials vs. full name.

• Listing 1. Is there a resolvable URL/DOI for this query?

• Figs 9-11, 14, 15. This reviewer would like to see a more fulsome examination / discussion of data discontinuities. Particularly around ~1985-2000.

Discussion

• The country-level discussion suggests the data (publications included) are only those that have been translated into English. Please clarify. Also, please add references in this section. There are a lot of bold statements, such as “A characteristic of these countries was the establishment of strong national academies.” Is this different from other places in the world? How? In the para before this statement, there is a phrase “picking out Slavonic stages” that is not clear to this reviewer.

• The authors seem to get ahead of themselves talking about “formal” and “informal” in relation to whether initials or full names are used. And then discuss the “Power Distance” and end up arguing that it isn’t formal/informal … but rather publisher policies and curation practices driving the initial era and its end.

• And then the authors come full circle on research articles being a technology, akin to a contract. Which is neat and useful. But all the intermediate data analysis is focused on the Dimensions data base and this reviewer would argue should be a part of the database documentation rather than a scholarly article.

• This reviewer would prefer this paper be focused much more tightly on how publishing technology can and has driven the sociology of science. Dig more into the E. Journal Analysis and F. Technological analysis. Stick with what you have deep data for, and provide us readers with a practical and useful paper that maybe, just maybe, publishers will read and be incentivized to up their game with respect to adoption of “new” technologies like ORCID, DOIs for data, etc. Because these papers are not just expositions on a disciplinary discourse, they are also a window into how science (research) works and is done.

The presented preprint is a well-researched study on a relevant topic that could be of interest to a broad audience. The study's strengths include a well-structured and clearly presented methodology. The code and data used in the research are openly available on Figshare, in line with best practices for transparency. Furthermore, the findings are presented in a clear and organized manner, with visualization that aid understanding.

At the same time, I would like to draw your attention to a few points that could potentially improve the work.

1. I think it would be beneficial to expand the annotation to approximately 250 words.

2. The introduction starts with a very broad context, but the connection between this context and the object of the research is not immediately clear. There are few references in this section, making it difficult to determine whether the authors are citing others or their own findings.

3. The transition to the main topic of the study is not well-defined, and there is no description of the gap in the literature regarding the object of study. Additionally, "bibliometric archaeology" appears at the end of the introduction but is only mentioned again later in the discussion, which may cause confusion for the reader.

4. It would be helpful to clearly state the purpose and objectives of the study both in the Introduction and in the abstract as well.

5. Besides, it is important to elaborate on the contribution of this study in the introduction section.

6. The same applies to the background - a very broad context, but the connection with the object of the research is not entirely clear.

7. Page 4 - as far as I understand, these are conclusions from a literature review, while point 3 (Reflective Richness of Data) does not follow from the previous analysis.

8. The overall impression of the introduction and background is that it is an interesting text, but it is not well related to the objectives of the study. I would recommend shortening these sections by making the introduction and literature review more pragmatic and structured. At the same time, this text could be published as a standalone contribution.

9. As I mentioned above, the methodology refers to the strengths of the study. However, in this section, it would be helpful to introduce and justify the structure of presenting the results.

10. In the methodology section, the authors could also provide a footnote with a link to the code and dataset (currently, it is only given at the end).

11. With regard to the discussion, I would like to encourage the authors to place their results more clearly in the academic context. Ideally, references from the introduction and/or literature review would reappear in this section to help clarify the research contribution.

12. Although Discussion C is an interesting read, it seems more related to the introduction than the results. Again, the text itself is rather interesting, but it would benefit from a more thorough justification.

Remarks on the images:

1. At least the data source for the images should be specified in the background, because it is not obvious to the reader before describing the methodology.

2. The color distinction between China and Russia in Figure 8 is not very clear.

3. The gray lines in Figures 9-11 make the figures difficult to read. Additionally, the meaning of these lines is not clearly indicated in the legends of Figures 10 and 11. These issues should be addressed. 

All comments and suggestions are intended to improve the article. Overall, I have a very positive impression of the work.

Sincere, 

Dmitry Kochetkov

Overview

This manuscript provides an in-depth examination of the use of initials versus full names in academic publications over time, identifying what the authors term the "Initial Era" (1945-1980) as a period during which initials were predominantly used. The authors contextualize this within broader technological, cultural, and societal changes, leveraging a large dataset from the Dimensions database. This study contributes to the understanding of how bibliographic metadata reflects shifts in research culture.

Strengths

+ Novel concept and historical depth

The paper introduces a unique angle on the evolution of scholarly communication by focusing on the use of initials in author names. The concept of the "Initial Era" is original and well- defined, adding a historical dimension to the study of metadata that is often overlooked. The manuscript provides a compelling narrative that connects technological changes with shifts in academic culture.

+ Comprehensive dataset

The use of the Dimensions database, which includes over 144 million publications, lends significant weight to the findings. The authors effectively utilize this resource to provide both anecdotal and statistical analyses, giving the paper a broad scope. The differentiation between the anecdotal and statistical epochs helps clarify the limitations of the dataset and strengthens the authors' conclusions.

+ Cross-disciplinary relevance

The study's insights into the sociology of research, particularly the implications of name usage for gender and cultural representation, are highly relevant across multiple disciplines. The paper touches on issues of diversity, bias, and the visibility of researchers from different backgrounds, making it an important contribution to ongoing discussions about equity in academia.

+ Technological impact

The authors successfully connect the decline of the "Initial Era" to the rise of digital publishing technologies, such as Crossref, PubMed, and ORCID. This link between technological infrastructure and shifts in scholarly norms is a critical insight, showing how the adoption of new tools has real-world implications for academic practices.

Weaknesses

-  Lack of clarity and readability

While the manuscript is rich in data and analysis, it can be dense and challenging to follow for readers not familiar with the technical details of bibliometric studies. The text occasionally delves into highly specific discussions that may be difficult for a broader audience to grasp while other concepts are introduced in cursory. Consider condensing the introduction section, removing unrelated historical accounts, and leading the audience to the key objectives of this research much earlier.

-  Missing empirical case studies

The manuscript remains largely theoretical, relying heavily on data analysis without providing concrete case studies or empirical examples of how the "Initial Era" affected individual disciplines or researchers. A more detailed exploration of specific instances where the use of initials had significant consequences would make the findings more tangible. Incorporating case studies or anecdotes from the history of science that illustrate the real-world impacts of the trends identified in the data would enrich the paper. These examples could help ground the analysis in practical outcomes and demonstrate the relevance of the "Initial Era" to contemporary debates.

-  Half-baked comparative analysis

Although the paper presents interesting data about different countries and disciplines, the comparative analysis between these groups could be further developed. For example, the reasons behind the differences in initial use between countries with different writing systems or academic cultures are not fully explored. A more in-depth comparative analysis that explains the cultural, linguistic, or institutional factors driving the observed differences in initial use would add nuance to the findings. This could involve a more detailed discussion of how non-Roman writing systems influence name formatting or how specific national academic policies shape author metadata.

-  Limited discussion of alternative explanations

While the authors link the decline of the "Initial Era" to technological advancements, other potential explanations, such as changing editorial policies (“technological harmonisation”), shifts in academic prestige, or the influence of global collaboration, are not fully explored. The paper could benefit from a broader discussion of these factors. Expanding the discussion to include alternative explanations for the decline of initial use, and how these might interact with technological changes, would provide a more comprehensive view. Engaging with literature on academic publishing practices, editorial decisions, and global research trends could help contextualize the findings within a wider framework.

Conclusion

This manuscript offers a novel and insightful analysis of the evolution of name usage in academic publications, providing valuable contributions to the fields of bibliometrics, science studies, and research culture. With improvements in clarity, comparative analysis, and the incorporation of case studies, this paper has the potential to make a significant impact on our understanding of how metadata reflects broader societal and technological changes in academia. The authors are encouraged to refine their discussion and expand on the implications of their findings to make the manuscript more accessible and applicable to a wider audience.

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• Simon Porter (Digital Science) s.porter@digital-science.com
• Daniel Hook (Digital Science) d.hook@digital-science.com

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The Rise and Fall of the Initial Era

this paragrapgh is about solutions for cc impacts but since its mostly recommendations, im not sure it will be effective for my Lit Review/ Maybe ill wiat until my fieldwork?

resilience mesures, potentia solutions for what could be done to withstand cc schocks

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Manuscript number: RC-2024-02546

Corresponding author: Woo Jae, Kim

1. General Statements

This is the second version of revision.

After thoroughly reviewing the comments provided by the EMBO Journal reviewers, we found their feedback to be highly constructive and valuable for enhancing our manuscript without the need for additional experiments. For example, Reviewer 1 acknowledged that our "data are intriguing and some of the experiments are quite convincing," but suggested that the manuscript contained excessive data that required simplification. This sentiment was echoed by Reviewer 2. In response, we have completely reformatted our manuscript to eliminate unnecessary imaging quantification data and CrzR-related screening data. The reviewers noted the density of our experimental data, which has led us to focus on the SIFa to Crz-CrzR circuit mechanisms related to heart function and interval timing in future projects.

Reviewer 2's comments were generally more moderate, and we successfully addressed all five of their points with detailed explanations and modifications to our manuscript. They positively remarked that "Overall, this highly interesting study advances our knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide and contributes to an understanding of how motivated behavior such as mating is orchestrated by modulatory peptides." Additionally, Reviewer 3 accepted our manuscript without any further comments.

In summary, we believe we have effectively addressed all concerns raised by Reviewers 1 and 2, resulting in a clearer manuscript that is more accessible to a broader audience.

2. Point-by-point description of the revisions

Reviewer #1

General Comments: In this revision of their manuscript, Zhang et al have attempted to address most of the points raised by the reviewers, however, they have not assuaged my most important concerns. The manuscript contains a ton of information, but at times this is to the detriment of the narrative flow. I had a lot of trouble following the rationale of each experiment, and the throughline from one experiment to the next is not always obvious. The data are intriguing, and some of the experiments are quite convincing, but other experiments are either superfluous or have methodological issues. I will summarize the most acute issues below.

• *Answer: Thank you for your thoughtful feedback and for acknowledging our efforts to address your previous comments. We appreciate your recognition of the intriguing nature of our data and the convincing aspects of our experiments. In this second revision, we have taken your concerns regarding the narrative flow and data overload to heart. We have completely reshaped our manuscript, significantly reducing unnecessary data, including the NP5270 data and overlapping quantification results that did not contribute meaningfully to the storytelling. Our goal was to streamline the presentation of our findings to enhance clarity and coherence, ensuring that each experiment clearly supports the overarching narrative. We believe these revisions will not only improve the readability of our manuscript but also allow readers to follow the rationale behind each experiment more easily. We are confident that this refined approach will make our contributions clearer and more impactful. Thank you once again for your constructive insights, which have been invaluable in guiding us toward a more focused and compelling presentation of our work.

Comment 1. *The authors argue that genetic controls are unnecessary because they have been conducted in previously published papers. I am concerned with this argument, as it is good practice to repeat controls with each experiment. However, I am overall convinced by the basic phenotype indicating that panneuronal SIFaR knockdown eliminates the changes in mating duration associated with previous experience. As for the more restricted 24F06-GAL4, the phenotype is odd-the flies do actually change their mating duration, just in the opposite direction of controls. Doesn't this imply that these flies are still capable of "interval timing", and of changing their mating strategy following exposure to rivals or following sexual experience? *

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__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer's critical comments regarding genetic control and the intriguing phenotypes we observed in specific genetic combinations. We fully agree with the reviewer and have repeated all genetic control experiments for this revision, confirming that our genetic controls consistently demonstrate intact LMD and SMD behaviors, as previously reported. These genetic control experiments have been included in Supplementary Information 1-2. We are grateful to the reviewer for the opportunity to reaffirm that LMD and SMD represent stable behavioral phenotypes suitable for genetically studying interval timing, supported by reproducible data.

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We acknowledge the reviewer's insightful comments about the exciting phenotype observed when SIFaR is knockdown which shows both singly reared and sexually experienced male show lengthened mating duration in contrast to normal LMD and SMD behaviors. Actually, we have observed such phenotype when specific neural circuits are disrupted such as when sNPF peptidergic signaling is disrupted in restricted neuronal population [4]. We are now investigating such phenotype as hypothesis as disinhibition. We explained this phenotype and about disinhibition in main text as below.

In the spatial, the targeted reduction of SIFaR expression in the GAL424F06 neuronal subset resulted in a notable alteration of mating behavior. Both singly reared and sexually experienced flies exhibited an extended mating duration relative to naïve flies, contrary to the expected reduction. This observation indicates a deficit in the neural mechanism responsible for modulating mating duration, suggesting a disinhibition-like effect within the neural circuitry governing mating behavior. We have also previously observed a similar phenotype when sNPF peptidergic signaling is inhibited in specific neuronal circuits [62]. Disinhibition, characterized by the alleviation of inhibitory constraints, permits the activation of neural circuits that are ordinarily repressed. This process is instrumental in sculpting behavioral patterns and facilitating the sequential progression of behaviors. Through the orchestrated promotion of select neuronal activation and concurrent inhibition of competing neural routes, disinhibition empowers the brain with the ability to dynamically ascertain and preserve the requisite behavioral state, concurrently smoothing the transition to ensuing behavioral phases [63]. It is known that Drosophila neural circuits also exhibit disinhibition phenotypes in light preference and ethanol sensitization [64,65]. Further investigation is needed to uncover the underlying mechanisms of this disinhibition-like phenotype observed in LMD and SMD behaviors.

This reversed phenotype strongly suggests a disruption in interval timing, as one would expect that if interval timing were normal and intact, male flies would decrease their mating duration in response to appropriate environmental changes. For instance, research has shown that patients with Parkinson's disease exhibit heterogeneity in temporal processing, leading to disrupted interval timing phenotypes [5]. Therefore, if male flies subjected to social isolation or sexual experience do not show a reduction in mating duration compared to control conditions, it indicates a potential disruption in their interval timing mechanisms. We appreciate the reviewer's encouragement to further explore this intriguing disinhibition-like phenotype, and we plan to investigate this aspect in our future projects.

Comment 2. *I am glad the see the addition of data assessing the extent of SIFaR and CrzR RNAi knockdown; however, this has not completely addressed my concerns about interpretation of behavioral phenotypes. In both cases, the knockdown was assessed by qPCR using the very strong tub-GAL4 driver. mRNA levels are decreased but not nearly eliminated. Thus, when in line 177-178 the authors assert: "Consequently, we infer that the knockdown of SIFaR using the HMS00299 line nearly completely diminishes the levels of the SIFaR protein," the statement is not supported by the data. The qPCR results showed a knockdown at the mRNA level of ~50%. No assays were conducted to measure protein levels. The conclusions should be tempered to align with the data. Furthermore, it is not clear that knockdown is as successful with other drivers, which means that negative behavioral data must be interpreted with caution. For example, the lack of phenotype with repo-GAL4 driving SIFaR RNAi or elav-GAL4 driving CrzR RNAi could be due to a lack of efficient knockdown. This should be acknowledged. *

   __Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer's critical observation regarding the efficiency of SIFaR knockdown. We fully agree that it is essential to confirm both for ourselves and our readers that the SIFaR knockdown phenotype is robust and convincing. At the outset of this project, we tested all available SIFaR-RNAi strains following established protocols within the fly community to ensure consistency in our findings. When we employed strong drivers such as tub-GAL4 and nSyb-GAL4 for SIFaR-RNAi knockdown, we observed that the flies failed to eclose and exhibited a lethal phenotype during the larval stage, which closely resembles the homozygous lethal phenotype seen in SIFaR mutants. This suggests that, in most cases, the effects of SIFaR knockdown can effectively mimic those of SIFaR mutations. To share our methodology and reinforce our findings, we have added clarifying statements in the main text as follows:

"Employment of broad drivers, including the tub-GAL4 and the strong neuronal driver nSyb-GAL4, with HMS00299 line consistently results in 100% embryonic lethality (data not shown). This phenotype mirrors the homozygous lethality observed in the SIFaRB322 mutant."

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Due to the significant lethality phenotype observed, we conducted PCR analyses using a combination of tub-GAL80ts and SIFaR-RNAi. As detailed in Fig. 1E, we reared the flies at 22{degree sign}C to suppress RNAi expression and then shifted the temperature to 29{degree sign}C for just three days prior to performing PCR. While our PCR results indicate a 50% reduction in SIFaR levels, we believe that experiments conducted without the tub-GAL80ts system would likely demonstrate an even greater reduction in SIFaR expression. To clarify this point and provide additional context, we have included the following description in the main text:

"The silencing of SIFaR mRNA was achieved at approximately 50% using the HMS00299 knockdown line in combination with tub-GAL80ts, with RNAi induction lasting for three days (bottom diagram in Fig. 1E). Notably, the same tub-GAL4 driver, when used without the tub-GAL80ts combination, resulted in embryonic lethality while still reducing SIFaR mRNA levels by 50% after three days of RNAi induction. This finding suggests that SIFaR knockdown using the HMS00299 line with GAL4 drivers is likely sufficient to elicit the observed LMD and SMD behaviors. This rationale underscores the effectiveness of our experimental approach and its potential implications for understanding the role of SIFaR in mating behaviors."

We also concur with the reviewer that the absence of a behavioral phenotype associated with CrzR-RNAi may be due to inefficient RNAi knockdown. Consequently, we have included a description of this issue in the main text as follows:

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"It is important to consider that the 50% knockdown of SIFaR and CrzR may be sufficient to disrupt LMD and/or SMD behavior. However, the lack of phenotype with repo-GAL4 or elav-GAL4 could be due to a less efficient knockdown. This possibility highlights the need for cautious interpretation of negative behavioral data."

Comment 3. *Regarding the issue of outcrossing, I am confused by the authors' statement: "To reduce the variation from genetic background, all flies were backcrossed for at least 3 generations to CS strain. For the generation of outcrosses, all GAL4, UAS, and RNAi lines employed as the virgin female stock were backcrossed to the CS genetic background for a minimum of ten generations. Notably, the majority of these lines, which were utilized for LMD assays, have been maintained in a CS backcrossed state for long-term generations subsequent to the initial outcrossing process, exceeding ten backcrosses." It's not clear what this means. Perhaps the authors could definitively state how many times each line was outcrossed. The genetic background is important because of 1) the lack of all controls, and 2) the variability of the behavioral phenotype. Often, the presence or absence of LMD or SMD appears to depend on the behavior of the control flies. When these flies show low mating duration, there is typically not a reduction following sexual experience or group raising. Could these differences derive from genetic background or transgenic insertion effects? *

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer's concern regarding the potential for confusion stemming from our descriptions of the genetic background. As the reviewer noted, we have published multiple papers on LMD and SMD behaviors, and we have conducted our experiments with careful attention to controlling the genetic background [1-3,6-8]. In response to the reviewer's comments about the importance of genetic control and background, we have completed all necessary genetic control experiments and confirmed that all our flies have been backcrossed for more than ten generations to the Canton-S (CS) strain. We believe that we have adequately addressed the reviewer's concerns regarding potential differences arising from genetic background or transgenic insertion effects. To provide readers with more detailed information about our genetic background, we have added a paragraph in the MATERIALS AND METHODS section as follows:

"The CS background was selected as the experimental background due to its well-characterized and consistent LMD and SMD behaviors. To ensure that genetic variation did not confound our results, all GAL4, UAS, and RNAi lines employed in our assays were rigorously backcrossed into the CS strain, often exceeding ten generations of backcrossing. This approach was undertaken to isolate the effects of our genetic manipulations from those of genetic background. We assert that the extensive backcrossing to the CS background, in concert with the internal control in LMD and SMD, provides a stable platform for the accurate interpretation of the LMD and SMD phenotypes observed in our experiments."

Comment 4. *I continue to have substantial concerns about the thresholding method used across many experiments to quantify overlap, and then to claim that this indicates that synaptic connections are being made between different neuronal populations. The degree of overlap will depend on factors including the settings during imaging (was care taken to prevent pixel saturation?). It is also not clear to me from the methods whether analysis was done on single confocal images or on projections. The images shown in the figures look like maximum projections of a confocal stack. Overlap would have to be assessed on individual confocal sections-it is possible that this is what was done for analysis but not clear from the description in the methods. Furthermore, a lot of figure space is dedicated to superfluous information. For example, in Figure 1F-J, there is a massive amount of space dedicated to assessing the agree of overlap between red stinger and CD4GFP, each driven from the same SIFaR2A driver, and further assessing what percentage of the CD4GFP signal overlaps with nc82, with the apparent goal of showing that a lot of the SIFaR signal is at active zones. This information does little to drive the narrative forward, and is quite confusing to read. Finally, the confocal images are generally too small to actually assess. *

   __Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer's concerns regarding our imaging quantification methods. We recognize the importance of providing a clear and transparent methodology for both readers and the broader scientific community. Instead of using maximum projection of confocal images, we employed a projection method that incorporates the standard deviation function available in ImageJ. Based on our experience, this approach yields more reliable quantification results, allowing for a more accurate assessment of our data. To ensure clarity and reproducibility, we have detailed our methods in the MATERIALS AND METHODS section as follows:

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"The quantification of the overlap was performed using confocal images with projection by standard deviation function provided by ImageJ to ensure precise measurements and avoid pixel saturation artifacts."

We appreciate the reviewer's suggestion regarding the inclusion of image quantification data for overlapping regions, which may not be essential to the logical flow of our narrative and could lead to confusion for readers. In response, we have removed nearly all of the quantification data related to overlapping regions, retaining only those that we consider critical for the paper. Currently, only Fig. S3B-E remains, as it is important for illustrating how SIFa neuronal arborization interacts with SIFaR neurons in the central nervous system.

Additionally, we fully agree with the reviewer that the overall size of the confocal images was too small for effective assessment. To address this concern, we have enlarged all confocal images and increased the spacing in the figures. We believe these improvements will enhance the clarity of our manuscript and facilitate a better understanding of our findings.

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Comment 5. *In general, the figures are still very cluttered, with panels too close together, and the labels are hard to read. *

Answer: We thank the reviewer for their valuable feedback regarding the clarity of our figures. In response to their concern, we have enlarged the figures to enhance readability and ensure that the panels are more distinct. We believe these adjustments will significantly improve the viewer's ability to interpret the data. We appreciate the reviewer's attention to detail, which has helped us to refine the presentation of our findings.

Comment 6. *There are no methodological details on how the VFB was used. The authors have not addressed my concern that they are showing only the neuronal skeleton (rather than the actual site of synapses). They are simply identifying all locations where the neuronal skeleton overlaps an entire brain region, and suggesting that these represent synapses. Many papers use the VFB to denote the actual location of synapses, which should be done in Figures 3B and S4A. *

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer's constructive comments regarding the methodological details of using VFB data. We fully agree that we cannot draw definitive conclusions about SIFa projections to specific regions based solely on neuronal skeleton data, which do not indicate the actual locations of synapses. To address this concern, we have made it clear to readers that the VFB skeleton data serves only as a preliminary indication of potential SIFa projections to GA, FB, and AL.

To confirm the presence of actual synapses from SIFa neurons, we conducted a thorough analysis using FlyWire data, which validated our findings from VFB. By integrating insights from VFB with the detailed synaptic mapping provided by FlyWire, we can confidently assert the functional relevance of these connections within the context of SIFa neuronal activity. This comprehensive approach not only bolsters our conclusions but also enhances our understanding of how SIFa neurons interact within the broader neural circuitry. We believe this rationale highlights the significance of our work in elucidating the complex relationships among these neuronal populations. We have detailed our findings in the main text as follows:

"We utilized the "Virtual Fly Brain (VFB)" platform, an interactive tool designed for exploring neuronal connectivity, to gain insights into the connectivity of SIFa neurons with four other neurons, specifically GA, FB, and AL (Fig. 3B and Fig. S4B) [74]. While VFB provides valuable information, it does not offer precise locations of synapses originating from SIFa neurons. To address this limitation, we incorporated data from the FlyWire connectome, which allowed us to confirm that SIFa projections indeed form actual synapses with GA, AL, FB, and SMP (Fig. S3F and S3G) [75]. This multi-faceted approach enhances the robustness of our findings by integrating different data sources to validate neuronal connections."

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Comment 7. *The changes in GRASP and CaLexA with experience are very interesting, and suggest a substantial rearrangement of synaptic connectivity associated with changes in mating duration following group rearing or female exposure. I am still concerned, however, that the nsyb and tGRASP images look so different. I wouldn't expect them to be identical, but it is puzzling that the nsyb-GRASP data show connections in a few discrete brain areas, while the tGRASP data show connections in a much larger overall brain area, but curiously not in the major regions seen with nsyb-GRASP (ie PI, FB and GA). Shouldn't the tGRASP signal appear in all the places that the nsyb-GRASP does? For CaLexA and GRASP data, the methods should indicate the timing of the dissections and staining relative to the group/sexual experience. *

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer's constructive comments regarding our GRASP data, which indeed reveal an intriguing neural plasticity phenotype, as the reviewer noted. In our previous response, we suggested that the observed differences may be attributed to the distinct SIFa-GAL4 strains utilized, as described in another manuscript focused on SIFa inputs [9]. In that manuscript, we classified the four SIFa neurons into two groups: SIFaDA (dorsal-lateral) and SIFaVP (ventral-posterior). The SIFa2A-GAL4 specifically labels only the SIFaVP neurons, while the SIFa-PT driver labels all four neurons. We acknowledge that we did not clearly communicate this distinction to the reviewer or our readers, and we apologize for any confusion this may have caused. To rectify this oversight, we have added a detailed explanation of these differences in the main text as follows:

"The subtle differences in GRASP signals observed in Fig. 3A may stem from the distinct expression patterns of the SIFa2A-lexA and GAL4SIFa.PT drivers. We would like to emphasize that the SIFa2A driver labels only a subset of SIFa neurons in other regions (Kim 2024)."

We recognize that a clear and transparent methodology is essential for generating reproducible data. In response to the reviewer's suggestion, we have revised our MATERIALS AND METHODS section to include more detailed descriptions of the dissection conditions. This enhancement aims to provide readers with the necessary information to replicate our experiments effectively.

"To ascertain calcium levels and synaptic intensity from microscopic images, we dissected and imaged five-day-old flies of various social conditions and genotypes under uniform conditions. For group reared (naïve) flies, the flies were reared in group condition and dissect right after 5 days of rearing without any further action. For single reared flies, the flies were reared in single condition and dissect at the same time as group reared flies right after 5 days of rearing without any further action. For sexual experienced flies, the flies were reared in group condition after 4 days of rearing and will be given virgins to give them sexual experience for one day, those flies will also be dissected at the same time as group and single reared flies after one day."

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Comment 8. *The calcium imaging data are odd. In most cases, the experimental flies don't actually show an increase in calcium levels but rather a lack of a decrease that is present in the ATR- controls. Also, in the cases where they argue for an excitatory affect of SIF neuron stimulation, the baseline signal intensity appears higher in ATR- controls compared to ATR+ experimental flies (eg Fig 5L, 6O), while it is significantly higher in ATR+ flies compared to ATR- controls when the activation results in decreased calcium signals. Perhaps more details on how these experiments were conducted and whether data were normalized in some way would help to clarify this. *

Answer: Thank you for your valuable feedback. We appreciate your careful analysis of our calcium imaging data and have addressed your concerns below:

In our experiments, we observed that ATR+ flies maintained relatively stable calcium levels, whereas ATR- controls exhibited a gradual decrease. Under confocal imaging, GFP signals typically decrease over time, which we observed in ATR- controls. However, ATR+ flies did not exhibit this decline. To better convey this observation, we have refined the language in the manuscript. Specifically, we now describe this as a tendency to sustain the activity of Crz neurons in the OL and AG regions (Fig. 6K-M, Fig. S6G-I). This is supported by the sustained intracellular calcium activity in ATR+ flies compared to the gradual decline to baseline levels observed in ATR- controls (Fig. 6K-M).

Baseline signal intensity differences: You correctly noted that in some cases, the baseline signal intensity appears higher in ATR- controls compared to ATR+ flies. These differences are likely due to technical factors, such as variations in the distance between the imaged brain and the objective lens. Even minor positional shifts in the brain (forward or backward) can affect the observed signal intensity.

Our analyses focus on relative changes in fluorescence intensity within the same sample, which we present as line graphs to highlight trends rather than absolute values. However, we acknowledge that showing the magnitude of relative values instead of absolute values may have caused some confusion. We have revised the images to better align with our conclusions, ensuring that the adjustments do not affect the observed relative changes.

Normalization and experimental details: The calcium imaging data were normalized to ΔF/F to account for differences in baseline fluorescence intensity. However, we recognize that further clarification of the normalization process and experimental setup is essential. We have expanded the methods section to include detailed descriptions of data acquisition, normalization steps, and statistical analyses.

As the reviewer correctly noted, calcium signals in ATR+ flies are generally higher than those in ATR- flies. However, it appears that the calcium levels exhibit a maintained response rather than a dramatic increase compared to the control ATR- condition, particularly in the case shown in Fig. 6K, which illustrates SIFa-to-Crz signaling. We believe this observation may reflect the actual physiological conditions under which SIFa influences SIFaR neurons to sustain activity during activation. We have included our interpretation of these findings in the main text as follows:

"Upon optogenetic stimulation of SIFa neurons, we observed a tendency to maintain the activity of Crz neurons in OL and AG regions (Fig. 6K-M, Fig. S6H-J), evidenced by a sustained activity in intracellular Ca2+ levels that persisted in a high level compared to control ATR- condition which shows gradual declining to baseline levels (Fig. 6K-M). In contrast to the OL and AG regions, the cells in the upper region of the SIP consistently show a decrease in Ca2+ levels following stimulation of the SIFa neurons (Fig. 6N-P)."

To enhance readers' understanding of our calcium imaging results, we have reformatted our GCaMP data for improved clarity and included additional details in the MATERIALS AND METHODS section regarding the quantification of GCaMP imaging methods. Furthermore, as the reviewer correctly noted, discrepancies in baseline activity were due to our error in presenting the baseline data. We have now corrected this oversight accordingly.

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Comment 9. *The models in Fig 4 J and T show data from Song et al, though I could not find a citation for this. I would omit this part of the model since these data are not discussed at all in the manuscript. *

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer for correctly identifying our oversight in failing to properly cite Song et al.'s paper. This error occurred partly because the preprint was not available at the time we submitted our manuscript. We now have a preprint for Song et al.'s paper, which discusses the contributions of SIFa neurons to various energy balance behaviors, and we plan to submit this paper back-to-back with our current submission to PLOS Biology. We have briefly cited Song et al.'s work in the manuscript; however, we have removed references to it from Fig. 4J and T to avoid any potential confusion for readers.

Comment 10. *The graphs for the SCOPE data (eg Figure 8I-L) are still too small to make sense of. *

Answer: We enlarged the tSNE plot generated from the SCOPE data.

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Comment 11. The rationale behind including the data in Figure 9 is not well explained. I would omit this data to help streamline and focus the manuscript.

Answer: We fully understand and agree with the reviewer's concerns, and we have removed all previous versions of Figure 9 from the manuscript to prevent any confusion regarding the storyline.

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Comment 12. *The single control group is still being duplicated in two different graphs but with different names in each graph. The authors updated figure caption hints at this but does not make it explicit. At the very least, these should be given the same name across all graphs, as is done, for example, in the CaLexA experiments in Figure 4B-C. *

Answer: We concur with the reviewer and have changed the label for all "group" conditions to "naïve" in all figures.

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Comment 13. *Lines 640-641: Moreover, the pacemaker function is essential for the generation of interval timing capabilities (Meck et al, 2012; Matell, 2014; Buhusi & Meck, 2005), with the heart being recognized as the primary pacemaker organ within the animal body". This is an intriguing idea, however, I attempted to look at the cited references and don't see any claim about the heart being involved in interval timing. I could not find a paper matching the citation of Matell 2014. Meck et al 2012 is an introduction to a Frontiers in Integrative Neuroscience Research Topic and does not mention the heart, nor does the Buhusi and Meck 2005 paper. Perhaps there is a more suitable reference to make the assertion that the fly's interval timer would be affected by changes in heart rate. My suggestion would be to simplify the manuscript, focusing on the most robust findings-the behavioral effect of SIFaR knockdown, the GRASP and CaLexA data showing differences following group rearing or female exposure, and the effect of Crz knockdown in SIFaR neurons. Other details could be included but would have to be verified with more rigorous experiments. *

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer's interest in our exploration of the role of heart function in interval timing. While we found that knocking down CrzR in the heart specifically disrupts LMD behavior, we agree that our manuscript needs to be streamlined for clarity. As a result, we have eliminated all CrzR-RNAi knockdown data except for the oenocyte, neuronal and glial knockdown data presented in Fig. S8C-H. This decision was made to ensure a more focused comparison with the SIFaR knockdown experiments shown in Fig. 1. We are dedicated to further investigating the role of Crz-CrzR in heart function and its influence on interval timing in a future project. This approach allows us to maintain clarity in our current manuscript while laying the groundwork for more comprehensive studies ahead.

In line with the reviewer's suggestions, we have simplified our manuscript by eliminating unnecessary data, such as overlapping image quantification and CrzR-RNAi screening, allowing us to focus on SIFaR knockdown and GRASP, as well as CaLexA with GCaMP imaging. We are grateful to the reviewer for providing us with the opportunity to delineate the role of CrzR in heart function related to LMD as a significant future project. We believe that our manuscript has been greatly improved by the reviewer's constructive feedback.

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Reviewer #2

General Comments:* The authors investigate mating behavior in male fruit flies, Drosophila melanogaster, and test for a role of the SIFamide receptor (SIFaR) in this type of behavior, in particular mating duration in dependence of social isolation and prior mating experience. The anatomy of SIFamide-releasing neurons in comparison with SIFamide receptor-expressing neurons is characterized in a detail-rich manner. Isolating males or exposing them to mating experience modifies the anatomical organization of SIFamidergic axon termini projecting onto SIFamide receptor-expressing neurons. This structural synaptic plasticity is accompanied by changes in calcium influx. Lastly, it is reported that corazonin-releasing neurons are modulated by SIFamide releasing neurons and impact the duration of mating behavior.

Overall, this highly interesting study advances our knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide, and contributes to an understanding how motivated behavior such as mating is orchestrated by modulatory peptides. The manuscript has some points that are less convincing.*

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer's positive feedback regarding our investigation into the role of the SIFamide receptor (SIFaR) in mating behavior in male Drosophila melanogaster. We are pleased that the detailed characterization of SIFamide-releasing neurons and their anatomical changes in response to social isolation and mating experience has been recognized as a valuable contribution to the understanding of synaptic plasticity and its impact on behavior. We are also grateful that the reviewer described our manuscript as a "highly interesting study" that advances knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide and contributes to the understanding of how motivated behaviors, such as mating, are orchestrated by modulatory peptides. We sincerely thank the reviewer for these encouraging comments about our work.

We acknowledge the reviewer's concerns about certain aspects of our manuscript that may be less convincing. We are committed to addressing these points thoroughly to strengthen our arguments and enhance the clarity of our findings. In response to the feedback, we have made several revisions throughout the manuscript, including clarifying our methodology, enhancing the presentation of our data, and providing additional context where needed. We believe these changes will improve the overall quality of the manuscript and make our conclusions more compelling. Thank you for your thoughtful review, and we look forward to your further insights.

Comment 1. *It remains unclear why the authors link the differentially motivated duration of mating behavior with the psychological concept of interval timing. This distracts from the actually interesting neurobiology and is not necessary to make the study interesting. The study deals with the modulation of mating behavior by SIFamide. The abstraction that SIFamide plays a role in the neuronal calculation of time intervals for the perception of time sequenc es is not convincing in itself. *

• Answer: We appreciate the reviewer's thoughtful comments regarding our conclusion that links SIFamide to interval timing in mating behavior. We recognize that our data primarily indicate that SIFamide is essential for normal mating duration and influences the motivation-dependent aspects of this behavior. We also acknowledge the need for more robust evidence to establish a clearer connection between these findings and interval timing. Recent research by Crickmore et al. has provided valuable insights into how mating duration in Drosophila *serves as an effective model for examining changes in motivation over time as behavioral goals are achieved. For example, around six minutes into mating, sperm transfer occurs, resulting in a significant shift in the male's nervous system, where he no longer prioritizes continuing the mating at the expense of his own survival. This pivotal change is mediated by four male-specific neurons that release the neuropeptide Corazonin (Crz). When these Crz neurons are inhibited, sperm transfer does not take place, and as a result, the male fails to reduce his motivation, leading to matings that can extend for hours instead of the typical duration of approximately 23 minutes [10].

Recent research conducted by Crickmore et al. has secured NIH R01 funding (Mechanisms of Interval Timing, 1R01GM134222-01) to investigate mating duration and sperm transfer timing in Drosophila as a genetic model for understanding interval timing. Their study emphasizes how fluctuations in motivation over time can affect mating behavior, particularly noting that significant behavioral changes occur during mating. For instance, around six minutes into the mating process, sperm transfer takes place, which corresponds with a notable decrease in the male's motivation to continue mating [10]. These findings indicate that mating duration serves not only as an endpoint for behavior but may also reflect fundamental mechanisms associated with interval timing.

   We believe that by leveraging the robustness and experimental tractability of these findings, along with our own work on SIFamide's role in mating behavior, we can gain deeper insights into the molecular and circuit mechanisms underlying interval timing. We will revise our manuscript to clarify this relationship and emphasize how SIFamide may interact with other neuropeptides and neuronal circuits involved in motivation and timing.

   In addition to the efforts of Crickmore's group to connect mating duration with a straightforward genetic model for interval timing, we have previously published several papers demonstrating that LMD and SMD can serve as effective genetic models for interval timing within the fly research community. For instance, we have successfully connected SMD to an interval timing model in a recently published paper [3], as detailed below:

"We hypothesize that SMD can serve as a straightforward genetic model system through which we can investigate "interval timing," the capacity of animals to distinguish between periods ranging from minutes to hours in duration.....

In summary, we report a novel sensory pathway that controls mating investment related to sexual experiences in Drosophila. Since both LMD and SMD behaviors are involved in controlling male investment by varying the interval of mating, these two behavioral paradigms will provide a new avenue to study how the brain computes the 'interval timing' that allows an animal to subjectively experience the passage of physical time [11-16]."

   Lee, S. G., Sun, D., Miao, H., Wu, Z., Kang, C., Saad, B., ... & Kim, W. J. (2023). Taste and pheromonal inputs govern the regulation of time investment for mating by sexual experience in male Drosophila melanogaster. *PLoS Genetics*, *19*(5), e1010753.

   We have also successfully linked LMD behavior to an interval timing model and have published several papers on this topic recently [6-8].

   Sun, Y., Zhang, X., Wu, Z., Li, W., & Kim, W. J. (2024). Genetic Screening Reveals Cone Cell-Specific Factors as Common Genetic Targets Modulating Rival-Induced Prolonged Mating in male Drosophila melanogaster. *G3: Genes, Genomes, Genetics*, jkae255.

   Zhang, T., Zhang, X., Sun, D., & Kim, W. J. (2024). Exploring the Asymmetric Body's Influence on Interval Timing Behaviors of Drosophila melanogaster. *Behavior Genetics*, *54*(5), 416-425.

   Huang, Y., Kwan, A., & Kim, W. J. (2024). Y chromosome genes interplay with interval timing in regulating mating duration of male Drosophila melanogaster. *Gene Reports*, *36*, 101999.

   Finally, in this context, we have outlined in our INTRODUCTION section below how our LMD and SMD models are related to interval timing, aiming to persuade readers of their relevance. We hope that the reviewer and readers are convinced that mating duration and its associated motivational changes such as LMD and SMD provide a compelling model for studying the genetic basis of interval timing in *Drosophila*.

"The dimension of time is the fundamental basis for an animal's survival. Being able to estimate and control the time between events is crucial for all everyday activities [25]. The perception of time in the seconds-to-hours range, referred to as 'interval timing', is involved in foraging, decision making, and learning via activation of cortico-striatal circuits in mammals [26]. Interval timing requires entirely different neural mechanisms from millisecond or circadian timing [27-29]. There is abundant psychological research on time perception because it is a universal cognitive dimension of experience and behavioral plasticity. Despite decades of research, the genetic and neural substrates of temporal information processing have not been well established except for the molecular bases of circadian timing [30,31]. Thus, a simple genetic model system to study interval timing is required. Considering that the mating duration in fruit flies, which averages approximately 20 minutes, is well within the range addressed by interval timing mechanisms, this behavioral parameter provides a relevant context for examining the neural circuits that modulate the Drosophila's perception of time intervals. Such an investigation necessitates an understanding of the extensive neural and behavioral plasticity underlying interval timing [32-37]."

We would like to highlight that many researchers are currently working to bridge the gap between interval timing as a purely psychological concept and its neurobiological underpinnings, as illustrated in the following articles [15,17-20]. We appreciate the reviewer's concerns regarding the relationship between mating duration and interval timing. However, we believe that our LMD and SMD model can effectively bridge the gap between psychological concepts and neurobiological mechanisms using a straightforward genetic model organism. By employing Drosophila as our model, we aim to elucidate the underlying neural circuits that govern these behaviors, thereby contributing to a deeper understanding of how interval timing is represented in both psychological and biological contexts.

Matell, M. S. Neurobiology of Interval Timing. Adv. Exp. Med. Biol. 209-234 (2014) doi:10.1007/978-1-4939-1782-2_12.

Matell, M. S. & Meck, W. H. Cortico-striatal circuits and interval timing: coincidence detection of oscillatory processes. Cogn. Brain Res. 21, 139-170 (2004).

Merchant, H. & Lafuente, V. de. Introduction to the neurobiology of interval timing. Adv Exp Med Biol 829, 1-13 (2014).

Golombek, D. A., Bussi, I. L. & Agostino, P. V. Minutes, days and years: molecular interactions among different scales of biological timing. Philosophical Transactions Royal Soc B Biological Sci 369, 20120465 (2014).

Balcı, F. & Toda, K. Editorial: Psychological and neurobiological mechanisms of time perception and temporal information processing: insight from novel technical approaches. Front. Behav. Neurosci. 17, 1208794 (2023).

Comment 2. *For all behavioral experiments, genetic controls should always be conducted. That is, both the heterozygous Gal4-line as well as the heterozygous UAS-line should be used as controls. This is laborious, but important and common standard. The authors often report data only for offspring from genetc crosses in which UAS-lines and Gal4-lines are combined (e.g. figure S1). This is not sufficient. *

• *Answer: We are grateful for the reviewer's constructive suggestions regarding the genetic control experiments. In response to similar concerns raised by another reviewer, we have conducted all necessary genetic control experiments and included the results in Supplementary Information 1-2. We hope that this thorough effort will demonstrate to both the reviewer and readers that the LMD and SMD behaviors represent stable and reproducible phenotypes for investigating the genetic components of interval timing.

Comment 3. *There are quite a lot of citations of preprints, including preprints from the authors's own lab. It seems inappropriate to cite non-peer reviewed preprints in order to present the basic principles of the study (interval timing in flies) as recognized knowledge. In general, it is unclear whether the information presented in these multiple preprints will turn out to be credible and acceptable. *

• *Answer: We concur with the reviewer and have removed most of the preprint material, retaining only one preprint that discusses SIFa function, which has been co-submitted with this manuscript.

Comment 4. *Anatomical images are often very small and not informative. For example, figure S1 O, R, S and U shows small images of fly brains and ventral nerve chords that do not convincingly describe the expression of fluorescent proteins. The choice of a threshold to quantify fluorescence seems arbitrary. It is also not clear what the quantification "83% of brain and 71% of VNC SIFaR+ neurons" actually tells us. This quantification does not rely on counting neurons (such as 83% of neurons), but only shows how fluorescence in these neurons overlaps with an immunostaining of an ubiquitous active zone protein. The same is true for figure S2 or S3: overlapping brain areas do not inform you about numbers of cells, as stated in the text. *

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer's concerns regarding our imaging quantification methods. In response to similar questions raised by another reviewer, we have thoroughly reformatted our methods section and eliminated much of the overlapping data that appeared unnecessary for this paper. We recognize the importance of providing a clear and transparent methodology for both readers and the broader scientific community. Instead of using maximum projection of confocal images, we employed a projection method that incorporates the standard deviation function available in ImageJ. Based on our experience, this approach yields more reliable quantification results, allowing for a more accurate assessment of our data. To ensure clarity and reproducibility, we have detailed our methods in the MATERIALS AND METHODS section as follows:

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"The quantification of the overlap was performed using confocal images with projection by standard deviation function provided by ImageJ to ensure precise measurements and avoid pixel saturation artifacts."

We appreciate the reviewer's suggestion regarding the inclusion of image quantification data for overlapping regions, which may not be essential to the logical flow of our narrative and could lead to confusion for readers. In response, we have removed nearly all of the quantification data related to overlapping regions, retaining only those that we consider critical for the paper. Currently, only Fig. S3B-E remains, as it is important for illustrating how SIFa neuronal arborization interacts with SIFaR neurons in the central nervous system.

Additionally, we fully agree with the reviewer that the overall size of the confocal images was too small for effective assessment. To address this concern, we have enlarged all confocal images and increased the spacing in the figures. We believe these improvements will enhance the clarity of our manuscript and facilitate a better understanding of our findings.

Comment 5. *The authors have consistently confused the extensive overlap of neuronal processes (dendrites and presynaptic regions) across large brain areas with synaptic connections. One cannot infer functional synaptic connectivity from the overlap of these fluorescent signals. *

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer's feedback and, in light of similar comments from another reviewer, we have removed most of the DenMark and syt.eGFP data, retaining only Fig. 3A. We are grateful for the constructive suggestions, which have significantly enhanced our manuscript. We believe that these revisions have clarified the narrative for readers, allowing for a more focused exploration of SIFaR's role in synaptic plasticity and neuronal orchestration.

Reviewer #3

General Comments: In this revised manuscript, the authors have fully and satisfactorily addressed my comments on the previous version. I recommend publication of this manuscript.

__ Answer:__ We would like to extend our heartfelt thanks for the careful consideration and positive assessment of our revised manuscript. Your insightful feedback has been instrumental in shaping the final version of our work, and we are delighted to hear that our revisions have met your expectations.

Your dedication to ensuring the quality and rigor of the scientific literature is truly commendable, and we are immensely grateful for the time and effort you have devoted to reviewing our paper. Your support for publication is a significant encouragement to us and validates the hard work we have put into addressing the issues you raised.

Please accept our sincere appreciation for your professional and constructive approach throughout the review process. We look forward to the possibility of contributing to the scientific community through the dissemination of our research.

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Summary

The article investigates the role of the neuropeptide SIFa and its receptor SIFaR in regulating two distinct mating duration behaviors in male Drosophila melanogaster, Longer-Mating-Duration (LMD) and Shorter-Mating-Duration (SMD). The study reveals that SIFaR expression in specific neurons is required for both behaviors. It shows that social context and sexual experience lead to synaptic reorganization between SIFa and SIFaR neurons, altering internal brain states. The SIFa-SIFaR/Crz-CrzR neuropeptide relay pathway is essential for generating these behaviors, with Crz neurons responding to SIFa neuron activity. Furthermore, CrzR expression in non-neuronal cells is critical for regulating LMD and SMD behaviors. The study utilizes neuropeptide RNAi screening, chemoconnectome (CCT) knock-in, and genetic intersectional methods to elucidate these findings.

Major Comments

• Are the key conclusions convincing? The key conclusions are intriguing but require more robust data to be fully convincing. While the study presents compelling evidence for the involvement of SIFa and SIFaR in mating behaviors, additional experiments are needed to firmly establish the proposed mechanisms.
• Should the authors qualify some of their claims as preliminary or speculative, or remove them altogether? The authors should qualify certain claims as preliminary or speculative. Specifically, the proposed SIFa-SIFaR/Crz-CrzR neuropeptide relay pathway is only investigated via imaging approach. More experiments using behavioral tests are needed to confirm that Crz relays the SIFa signaling pathway. For example, Crz-Gal4>UAS-SIFaR RNAi should be done to show that SIFaR+ Crz+ cells are necessary for LMD and SMD.
• Would additional experiments be essential to support the claims of the paper? Yes, additional experiments are essential. Detailed molecular and imaging studies are needed to support claims about synaptic reorganization. For example:
  • More controls are needed for RNAi and Gal80ts experiments, such as Gal4-only control, RNAi-only control, etc.
  • Using synaptic markers and high-resolution imaging to observe synaptic changes directly.
  • Electrophysiological recordings from neurons expressing SIFa and SIFaR to analyze their functional connectivity and activity patterns.
• Are the suggested experiments realistic in terms of time and resources? The suggested experiments are realistic but will require considerable time and resources. Detailed molecular interaction studies, imaging synaptic plasticity, and electrophysiological recordings could take several months to over a year, depending on the complexity and availability of necessary equipment and expertise. The cost would be moderate to high, involving expenses for reagents, imaging equipment, and animal husbandry for maintaining Drosophila stocks.
• Are the data and the methods presented in such a way that they can be reproduced? The methods are generally described in detail, allowing for potential reproducibility. However, more precise documentation of certain experimental conditions, such as the timing and conditions of RNAi induction and temperature controls, is necessary. The methods about imaging analysis are too detailed. The exact steps about how to use ImageJ should be removed.
• Are the experiments adequately replicated and statistical analysis adequate? Most figures in the manuscript need to be re-plotted. The right y-axis "Difference between means" is not necessary, if not confusing. The image panels are too small to see, while the quantification of overlapping cells are unnecessarily large. The figures are too crowded with labels and texts, which makes it extremely difficult to comprehend the data.

Minor Comments

• Specific experimental issues that are easily addressable. Clarify the timing of RNAi induction and provide more detailed figure legends for better understanding and reproducibility.
• Are prior studies referenced appropriately? Yes.
• Are the text and figures clear and accurate? The text is generally clear, but the figures need re-work. See comment above.
• Suggestions to improve the presentation of data and conclusions. Use smaller fonts in the bar plots and make the plots smaller. Enlarge the imaging panels and let the pictures tell the story.

Significance

Nature and Significance of the Advance

This study aims to advance understanding of how neuropeptides modulate context-dependent behaviors in Drosophila. It provides novel insights into the role of SIFa and SIFaR in interval timing behaviors, contributing to the broader field of neuropeptide research and behavioral neuroscience. However, the significance of the findings is limited by the preliminary nature of some claims and the need for additional supporting data.

Context in Existing Literature

The work builds on previous studies that identified various roles of neuropeptides in behavior modulation but lacked detailed mechanistic insights. By elucidating the SIFa-SIFaR/Crz-CrzR pathway, this study attempts to fill a gap in the literature, but more robust evidence is required to solidify its contributions.

Interested Audience

The findings will interest neuroscientists, behavioral biologists, and researchers studying neuropeptides and their roles in behavior and neural circuitry. Additionally, this research may have implications for understanding neuropeptidergic systems in other organisms, making it relevant to a broader audience in the fields of neurobiology and physiology.

Field of Expertise

Keywords: Neuropeptides, Drosophila melanogaster, Behavioral Neuroscience. Areas without sufficient expertise: courtship behavior.

Recommendation

I recommend a major revision of this manuscript. The study presents intriguing findings, but several key claims are preliminary and require additional experiments for support. The data is poorly presented and the figures can be significantly improved. Detailed molecular and imaging studies, as well as more rigorous statistical analyses, are necessary to strengthen the conclusions. Addressing these concerns will significantly improve the robustness and impact of the paper.

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Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

Zhang et al., "Long-range neuropeptide relay as a central-peripheral communication mechanism for the context-dependent modulation of interval timing behaviors".

The authors investigate mating behavior in male fruit flies, Drosophila melanogaster, and test for a role of the SIFamide receptor (SIFaR) in this type of behavior, in particular mating duration in dependence of social isolation and prior mating experience. The anatomy of SIFamide-releasing neurons in comparison with SIFamide receptor-expressing neurons is characterized in a detail-rich manner. Isolating males or exposing them to mating experience modifies the anatomical organization of SIFamidergic axon termini projecting onto SIFamide receptor-expressing neurons. This structural synaptic plasticity is accompanied by changes in calcium influx. Lastly, it is shown that corazonin-releasing neurons are modulated by SIFamide releasing neurons and impact the duration of mating behavior.

Overall, this highly interesting study advances our knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide, and contributes to an understanding how motivated behavior such as mating is orchestrated by modulatory peptides. The approach to take the entire organism, including peripheral tissue, into consideration, is very good and a rather unique point. The manuscript has only some points that are less convincing, and these should be addressed.

Major concerns:

• It is highly interesting that the duration of mating behavior is dependent on external and motivational factors. In fact, that provides an elegant way to study which neuronal mechanisms orchestrate these factors. However, it remains elusive why the authors link the differentially motivated durations of mating behavior to the psychological concept of interval timing. This distracts from the actually interesting neurobiology, and is not necessary to make the study interesting.
• In figure 4 A and 4K, fluorescence microscopy images of brains and ventral nerve chords are shown, one illustrating GRASP experiments, and one showing CaLexA experiments. The extreme difference between the differentially treated flies (bright fluorescence versus almost no fluorescence) is - in its drastic form- surprising. Online access to the original confocal microscopy images (raw data) might help to convince the reader that these illustrations do not reflect the most drastic "representative" examples out of a series of brain stainings.
• In particular for behavioral experiments, genetic controls should always be conducted. That is, both the heterozygous Gal4-line as well as the heterozygous UAS-line should be used as controls. This is laborious, but important.

Minor comments:

• Line 75: word missing ("...including FEEDING-RELATED BEHAVIOR, courtship, ...").
• Line 120: word missing ("SIFaR expression in adult neurons BUT not glia...").
• I find the figures often to be quite overloaded, and anatomical details often very small (e.g., figure 7A).

Significance

Overall, this highly interesting study advances our knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide, and contributes to an understanding how motivated behavior is orchestrated by modulatory peptides. The approach to take the entire organism, including peripheral tissue, into consideration, is very good and a rather unique point.

Since decades it has been investigated how sensory stimuli are processed and encoded by the brain, and how behavioral actions are executed. Likewise, principles underlying learning and memory, sleep, orentation, circadian rhythms, etc. are subject to intense investigation. However, how motivational factors (sleep pressure, hunger, sexual drive) are actually "encoded", signaled and finally used to orchstrate behavior and guide decision-making is, to a very large degree, unknown - in any species. The model use here (Drosophila and its peptidergic system wit SIFamide as a central hub) represents actually a ideal entry point to study just this question. In this sense, the manuscript is at the forefront of modern, state-of-the-art neurobiology.

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Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

This manuscript from Zhang et al. primarily investigates the contribution of the SIFa neuropeptide receptor (SIFaR) to mating duration in male fruit flies. Through RNAi-mediated downregulation, they show that SIFaR receptor is necessary for previous experience to alter mating duration. Using cell-specific knockdown and rescue of the SIFaR receptor, they identify a population of ~400 neurons that could underlie this effect. This is still a large number of cells but is narrowed from the ~1,200 total SIFaR-expressing neurons. They then use the GRASP synaptic labeling technique to show that SIFa+ neurons form synapses onto the relevant SIFaR-expressing population, and that the area of synaptic contact is systematically altered depending on the fly's past mating history. Finally, they provide evidence to argue that SIFa neurons act through SIFaR neurons that release the neuropeptide corazonin to regulate mating duration. Overall, the authors have used an impressive array of techniques in their attempt to define the neural circuits and molecules involved in changing internal state to modify the duration of mating.

Major Comments:

1. The authors are to be commended for the sheer quantity of data they have generated, but I was often overwhelmed by the figures, which try to pack too much into the space provided. As a result, it is often unclear what components belong to each panel. Providing more space between each panel would really help.
2. The use of three independent RNAi lines to knock down SIFaR expression is experimentally solid, as the common phenotype observed with all 3 lines supports the conclusion that the SIFaR is important for mating duration choice. However, the authors have not tested whether these lines effectively reduce SIFaR expression, nor whether the GAL80 constructs used to delimit knockdown are able to effectively do so. This makes it hard to make definitive conclusions with these manipulations, especially in the face of negative results. A lack of complete knockdown is suggested by the fact that the F24F06 driver rescues lethality when used to express SIFaR in the B322 mutant background, but does not itself produce lethality when used to express SIFaR RNAi. The authors should either conduct experiments to determine knockdown efficiency or explicitly acknowledge this limitation in drawing conclusions from their experiments. A similar concern relates to the CrzR knockdown experiments (eg Figure 7).
3. Most of the behavioral experiments lack traditional controls, for example flies that contain either the GAL4 or UAS elements alone. The authors should explain their decision to omit these control experiments and provide an argument for why they are not necessary to correctly interpret the data. In this vein, the authors have stated in the methods that stocks were outcrossed at least 3x to Canton-S background, but 3 outcrosses is insufficient to fully control for genetic background.
4. Throughout the manuscript, the authors appear to use a single control condition (sexually naïve flies raised in groups) to compare to both males raised singly and males with previous sexual experience. These control conditions are duplicated in two separate graphs, one for long mating duration and one for short mating duration, but they are given different names (group vs naïve) depending on the graph. If these are actually the same flies, then this should be made clear, and they should be given a consistent name across the different "experiments".
5. The authors have consistently conflated overlap of neuronal processes with synaptic connections. Claims of synaptic connectivity deriving solely from overlap of processes should be tempered and qualified.
   • For example, they say (Lines 201-202) "These findings suggest that SIFa neurons and GAL424F06-positive neurons form more synapses in the VNC than in the brain." This is misleading. Overlap of24F06-LexA>CD8GFP and SIFa-GAL4>CD8RFP tells us nothing about synapse number, or even whether actual synapses are being formed.
   • Lines 210-211: "The overlap of DenMark and syt.EGFP signals was highly enriched in both SOG and ProNm regions, indicating that these regions are where GAL424F06 neurons form interconnected networks". This is misleading. Overlap of DenMark and syt.EGFP does not indicate synapses (especially since these molecules can be expressed outside the expected neuronal compartment if driven at high enough levels).
   • Lines 320-322: "Neurons expressing Crz exhibit robust synaptic connections with SIFaR24F06 neurons located in the PRW region of the SOG in the brain (panels of Brain and SOG in Fig. 5A)". This is again misleading. They are not actually measuring synapses here, but instead looking at area of overlap between neuronal processes of Crz and SIFaR cells.
   • In Figs 3B and S4A, they are claiming that all neuronal processes within a given delineated brain area are synapses. The virtual fly brain and hemibrain resource have a way to actually identify synapses. This should be used in addition to the neuron skeleton. Otherwise, it is misleading to label these as synapses.
   • Furthermore, measuring the area of GRASP signal is not the same as quantifying synapses. We don't know if synapse number changes (eg in lines 240-242).
6. In general, the first part of the manuscript (implicating SIFaR in mating duration) is much stronger than the second part, which attempts to demonstrate that SIFa acts through Crz-expressing neurons to induce its effects. The proof that SIFa acts through Crz-expressing neurons to modify mating duration is tenuous. The most direct evidence of this, achieved via knockdown on Crz in SIFaR-expressing cells, is relegated to supplemental figures. The calcium response of the Crz neurons to SIFa neuron activation (Fig. 6) is more of a lack of a decrease that is observed in controls. Also, this is only done in the VNC. Why not look in the brain, because the authors previously stated a hypothesis that the "transmission of signals through SIFaR in Crz-expressing neurons is limited to the brain" (lines 381-382)?

Furthermore, the authors suggest that Crz acts on cells in the heart to regulate mating duration. It would be useful to add a discussion/speculation as to possible mechanisms for heart cells to regulate mating decisions. Is there evidence of CrzR in the heart? The SCope data presented in Fig. 7I-L and S7G-H is hard to read. 7. In several cases, the effects of being raised single are opposite the effects of sexual experience. For example, in Fig. 4T, calcium activity is increased in the AG following sexual experience, but decreased in flies raised singly. Likewise, Crz-neurons in the OL have increased CaLexA signal in singly-raised flies but reduced signals in flies with previous sexual experience. In some cases, manipulations selectively affect LMD or SMD. It would be useful to discuss these differences and consider the mechanistic implications of these differential changes, when they all result in decreased mating duration. This could help to clarify the big picture of the manuscript.

Minor Comments:

1. For CaLexA experiments (eg Fig 7A-D), signal intensity should be quantified in addition to area covered. Increased intensity would indicate greater calcium activity within a particular set of neurons.
2. In Figure 5K: quantification of cell overlap is missing. In the text they state that there are ~100 neurons that co-express SIFaR24F06 and Crz. How was this determined? Is there a graph or numerical summary of this assertion?
3. In lines 709-711: "Our experience suggests that the relative mating duration differences between naïve and experienced condition and singly reared are always consistent; however, both absolute values and the magnitude of the difference in each strain can vary. So, we always include internal controls for each treatment as suggested by previous studies." I had trouble understanding this section of methods. What is done with the data from the internal controls?
4. Could the authors comment on why the brain GRASP signal is so different in Figures 3A and 4A? I realize that different versions of GRASP were used in these experiments, but I would expect broad agreement between the different approaches.

Significance

This study will be most relevant to researchers interested in understanding neuronal control of behavior. The manuscript offers a conceptual advance in identifying cell types and molecules that influence mating duration decisions. The strength of the manuscript is the number of different assays used; however, there is a sense that this has occurred at the cost of providing a cohesive narrative. The first part of the manuscript (detailing the role of SIFaR in LMD and SMD) is relatively stronger and more conclusive.

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Reply to the reviewers

We want to thank both reviewers for their thorough and constructive review of our manuscript. Below, we have re-iterated their comments followed by an explanation of how we have revised the manuscript to address this.

Reviewer #1 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

This manuscript presented by Segeren et al. applied an interesting HRASG12V inducible cell model to study the mechanism of cellular resistance to replication stress inducing agents. They also employed a novel reversible fixation technique which allows them to FAC sort cells according to their replication stress levels before applying single cell sequencing analysis to the same cell populations. By comparing cells with low levels of replication stress to cells with high levels of replication stress, they found that reduction in gene expression of FOXM1 target genes potentially protects cells against replication stress induced by CHK1i plus gemcitabine combination. Overall, this is a very interesting study. However, the following points should be addressed prior to publication:

Major: 1. Figure 3E and 3F showed two lists of differentially expressed genes in γH2Ax low cells. However, instead of arbitrarily extracting the FOXM1 target genes and TP53 targeted genes, it would be appreciated if the author could perform an unbiased and unsupervised gene set enrichment analysis such as Enrichr.

As recommended, we performed an enrichment analysis using Enrichr to identify transcriptional programs associated with the we used the genes that were downregulated in the γH2AX-low cells. FOXM1 appeared as a prominent hit in different databases (both experimental and computational). We have included the lists of differentially expressed genes as an additional supplemental table (Table S1) and have included the Enrichr results as Table S3 (i.e. CHEA and ENCODE). We have described our results in lines 198-200 of the revised manuscript.

1. At the experiment design stage, the authors also included HRASG12V status as a test condition because they previously found that HRASG12V mutation induces basal level replication stress and they would like to include this condition to study the adaptation to replication stress (line 110). However, the difference in HRASG12V negative and HRASG12V positive cells was not followed up in the later part of the paper. Can they show lists of differentially expressed genes identified under HRASG12V negative conditions as well (in the same format of Figure 3E and 3F) and comment on the differences as well?

In the original manuscript, we included heatmaps of differentially expressed genes in the control cells in Figure S2. For improved clarity, we have modified this figure so that the heatmaps are labeled "Control cells". In the revised manuscript, we have also included Table S2, which lists the differentially expressed genes between yH2AX low and yH2AX high control cells, and Table S3, which lists the Enrichr results obtained based on these gene lists.

We observed FOXM1 target genes in both the control and HRASG12V cells. Thus, the mechanism we identify does not appear to be specific to oncogenic Ras expression. We discuss this in lines 221-225. Because there were no other notable differences between the gene sets, we do not focus on this in the manuscript.

1. In line 194 and in Figure S2B, the authors claimed that ANLN, HMGB2, CENPE, MKI67, and UBE2C demonstrated co-expression, but other genes displaying similar correlation scores were not commented (such as F3, CYR61, CTGF, etc). To avoid being biased at the analysis stage, the authors should define clearly what the cut-off of correlation score is and why only co-expression of ANLN, HMGB2, CENPE, MKI67, and UBE2C were mentioned.

As suggested, we explain now in the revised manuscript that we focused on gene clusters consisting of at least 3 genes, that had a correlation coefficient greater than or equal to 0.4 with at least one other gene within the clusters. This cutoff is typically defined as representing a "moderate to good" correlation in biological data (Overholser, Sowinski, 2008). To make clear which clusters correlating gene sets passed these criteria, we have also highlighted these genes in Figure S3B. This returned the cluster we had already identified as FOXM1 targets, and as well spotted by the reviewer, a larger cluster which included F3, CYR61, CTGF, SERPINE1, ANKRD1, KRTAP2-3, UGCG, and AMOTL. Our Enrichr analysis did not identify any putative transcription factors linking the genes in this larger cluster. We are still interested to identify the putative transcription regulation mechanism linking these genes in future studies, but this is beyond the scope of the current manuscript. We have described these observations in lines 211-218.

1. In line 215, instead of validating CENPE, UBE2C, HMGB2, ANLN, and MKI67 individually, the authors decided to validate FOXM1 instead, because they believe all the aforementioned genes are targets of FOXM1, therefore, validating FOXM1 alone would suffice. Again, this makes the validation process also biased. CENPE, UBE2C, HMGB2, ANLN, and MKI67 should be validated individually because they might sensitize cells to replication stress via different mechanisms. Besides, if all these genes were identified together because they are FOXM1 target genes, why did the authors not identify FOXM1 itself as a differentially expressed gene from the single cell sequencing? The sequencing only analyzed the S/G2/M cells, expression of FOXM1 should be detected easily.

We agree with the reviewer that the omission of individual FOXM1 target genes in the validation process makes a biased impression. Therefore we ordered siRNAs against CENPE, UBE2C, HMGB2, ANLN, and MKI67. Similar to the other DE genes in the original mini-screen we first knocked down these genes using the siRNA Smartpools (pools of 4 individual siRNAs against each genes). Here, we observed a decrease in γH2AX signal compared to drug-treated cells transfected with all 5 Smartpools compared to drug-treated cells transfected with control siRNA. We next moved on to the deconvolution step of the screen, where we transfected cells with 4 individual siRNA against each gene. Here, we observed inconsistent effects of ANLN, CENPE, and HMGB2 when comparing the individual siRNAs, which all produce efficient knockdown of their target genes. But interestingly, for both MKI67 and UBE2C, each of the 4 individual siRNAs similar decreased yH2AX signal, though it was not as strong as the decrease observed when FOXM1 is knocked out. Understanding the exact mechanism of how MKI67 and UBE2C reduce replication stress is beyond the scope of this paper, but we hypothesize that, as with FOXM1, it is likely linked to their role in promoting progression through the cell cycle. These results are shown in Figures S5, and we mention these remarkable findings in the revised abstract and discuss these in the light of the recent literature in the Discussion section (lines 275-286).

Then, we also addressed the comment about FOXM1 not being changed in the single cell RNA-seq analysis. We could indeed readily detect FOXM1 expression our single-cell RNA sequencing data. The difference in expression did not change significantly in cells sorted according to γH2AX level (Figure 4C). Because FOXM1 is highly regulated post-translationally, we hypothesized that an increase in the (active) protein is correlated to increased replication stress rather than transcript levels. This was indeed the case and we further explain our experiment to test this hypothesis in response to Point #6 (results are displayed in Figure 4D and described in lines 201-209).

1. As pointed out by the author in the Discussion, single cell sequencing is not good at differentiating the causes from the consequences. The author tried to validate many of the differentially expressed genes in γH2Ax low cells. However, the fact that only FOXM1 knockdown passed the validation and deconvolution pointed out that the great majority of the identified genes are not the cause of the sensitivity change to replication stress inducing agents but likely the consequences. Therefore, in Figure S2C and S2D, it would be better that the authors could just name the genes as 'downregulated genes' in Figure S2C and 'upregulated genes' in Figure S2D. Taking into consideration that the expression change in the great majority of these genes are just consequences of sensitivity change to replication stress, defining them as 'potentially sensitizing' genes and 'potentially conferring resistance' genes is rather misleading.

We agree that the way we originally labeled these plots may have been misleading. We have renamed then to "Downregulated in yH2AXlow" and "Upregulated in yH2AXlow", as recommended by the reviewer.

1. To better prove that FOXM1 is the leading cause of the sensitivity to CHK1i+Gemcitabine induced replication stress, can the authors show the FOXM1 expression status in the tolerant cell population identified in Figure 1B (lowest panel)? Alternatively, can they plot FOXM1 expression level in the same tSNE plots shown in Figure 3B to 3D to see whether some of the γH2Ax low populations also show reduced FOXM1 expression?

FOXM1 expression levels were not increased with gH2AXhigh versus gH2AXlow HRASG12V cells in the single cell RNA-sequencing data (Figure 4C in revised manuscript). However, as mentioned in our answer to point #4 we performed an additional experiment, which showed a strong positive correlation between phospho-FOXM1 and γH2AX (as measured by flow cytometry) in S-phase cells (Figure 4D). This indicates that the active form of the FOXM1 indeed increases as yH2AX levels increase, consistent with the observed increase in FOXM1 target genes. These results are described in lines 201-209.

1. Clonogenic survival assay in Figure 4D was not quantified properly in Figure 4E. To rule out the siFOXM1 mediated growth/survival defects and to only focus on the siFOXM1 mediated resistance to CHK1i+Gemcitabine, the survival rate (intensity percent in this case) of CHK1i+Gemcitabine treated condition should be normalized against the survival rate of the Vehicle condition. E.g., the intensity percent of the siSCRAMBLE after treatment should be divided by the intensity percent of the untreated siSCRAMBLE; the intensity percent of the si#1 after treatment should be divided by the intensity percent of the untreated si#1, and so on. If the authors would like to show siFOXM1 induced growth/survival defects, they can still present the left part of the Figure 4E (the Vehicle group).

Originally, we chose to show the absolute IntensityPercent for all groups, without normalizing to the untreated group, because we wanted to also highlight the FOXM1-mediated changes in growth. We agree that normalizing the IntensityPercent of the drug-treated group to the vehicle group better highlights the siFOXM1-mediated resistance. We have therefore re-analyzed the data and presented it this way in Figure 5E (described in lines 293-295). We moved our original Figure 4E to a new supplemental figure (Figure S4B) to still point out the effects of siFOXM1 on cell growth in untreated cells.

Minor:

1. In line 176, the author claimed that 'Interestingly, rare cells treated with CHK1i + gemcitabine are located within the untreated cell cluster (Fig. 3C)'. However, it is not as obvious where these cells are in the plot, especially to people who are new to tSNE plots. It would be appreciated if the authors could label these cells by circling them with red lines and make the point stronger.

Rather than circling these points (we thought this would make the plot too "busy"), we have created an inset that zooms in on the region where we see the untreated cells within the untreated cell cluster. Within the inset, we use arrows to point out the cells we are referring to. This can be seen in our updated Figure 3C.

1. In Figure S2B, it will be ideal to label clearly which genes are upregulated genes and which are downregulate.

On the x-axis of the heatmap, we have drawn lines to separate the downregulated and upregulated genes.

1. In line 50, the word 'multifaced' needs to be corrected to 'multifaceted'.

Thank you for catching this, we have fixed it.

1. It is unclear what 'underly drug resistance' means in line 150.

We have reworded this sentence so that is more clear. It is now written as follows: "we aimed to identify gene-expression programs that mediate the low level of RS in a subset of cells, which could potentially mediate drug resistance". This change is in lines 155.

1. It is advised that the phrase 'cell cycle position' could be changed to 'cell cycle phase' or 'cell cycle stage'.

We purposefully used the phrase "cell cycle position" because we wanted to emphasis gradient-like progress through the cell cycle rather than a discrete distinction from one-phase to the next. We have reworded the text slightly to now say "position within S-phase" (lines 163, 187, 191, 208), since all the cells we are interested in are in S phase, but some are further through S phase than others.

1. In line 185, the word 'in' after 'within' can be removed.

Thank you for catching this, we have fixed it.

1. In line 194, 'Among genes downregulated in γH2AXlow cells, the expression of ANLN, HMGB2, CENPE, MKI67 and UBE2C correlated' is missing an 'are' in front of the word 'correlated'.

Thank you for catching this, we have fixed it.

1. In line 239, Fig.SC3 should be Fig. S3C.

Thank you for catching this, we have fixed it.

1. FOXM1 is known as a crucial gene for G2/M transition. Therefore, FOXM1 knockdown cells are expected to be mostly arrested at the G2/M interface. Therefore, in line 244, it is incorrect to say stronger FOXM1 knockdown induced a 'lower proportion of cells in G2 phase'. In fact, as shown in Figure 4C, cells are accumulating in G2 phase (peaking around 11M on the DAPI axis) and depleted from G1 phase (peaking around 7M).

We have reworded this to say that there is "a higher proportion of cells in S-phase and a less distinct G2 peak" (lines 270-271). The DAPI profiles of the scrambled, siFOXM1 #1, and siFOXM1 #2 conditions all show an S-phase "valley" between a G1 and G2 peak (the valley sits at about 8M-9M). In the siFOXM1 #3 and siFOXM1 #4 conditions, we no longer see this valley, therefore we interpret this as cells still in S-phase. If they had progressed from S-phase into G2 phase, we expect that we would again see this "valley" to the left of a clear G2 peak. In the figure below, we overlayed DNA content histograms of the different FOXM1 targeting siRNAs with the scrambled siRNA to demonstrate this point more clearly.

Reviewer #1 (Significance (Required)):

Advance: The study reported a novel reversible fixation technique which can lead to potentially good citations. However, the findings from the single cell sequencing alone fell short in novelty to reach high impact because FOXM1 has been reported to impact on cellular sensitivity to CHK1 inhibition mediated replication stress (PMC7970065). Moreover, the study did not provide mechanistic explanation to the observed phenotype but only validated the finding from the sequencing, and the gene of focus (FOXM1) was not originally identified from the sequencing, slightly undermining the paper's foundation. To make it a better paper. the authors need to be less biased when it comes to data analysis and interpretation.

Audience: People who are interested in basic research in cell cycle, DNA damage, cancer, chemotherapy would be interested.

My expertise: Cancer, DNA damage, cell cycle

Reviewer #2 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

Summary:

Replication stress activates ATR and CHEK1 kinases as part of the inter S phase DNA damage response. CHEK1 kinase inhibitors (CHK1i) have been shown to induce an accumulation of unresolved replication stress and widespread DNA damage and cell death caused by replication catastrophe, and are therefore under clinical evaluation. At the same time, CHEK1 inhibition results in the activation of CDK1 and FOXM1 and premature expression of G2/M genes (Saldivar et al., 2018 Science). FOXM1-drivent premature mitosis has been shown to be required for the replication catastrophe and CHK1i sensitivity (Branigan et al., 2021 Cell Rep.). In this study, Segeren and colleagues set out to investigate the mechanisms of replication stress tolerance. They used CHK1i inhibitors in combination with the DNA-damaging chemotherapeutic agent Gemcitabine and oncogenic HRASG12V expression to increase replication stress. The authors utilized an intriguing setup of combined immunofluorescence staining followed by single cell RNA-seq analysis to overcome limitations of bulk cell analyses. In particular, the authors sought to identify genes that are differentially regulated in replication stress-tolerant cells compared to sensitive cells. However, even single cell analyses can be confounded by differences in cell cycle distribution. To mitigate this, the authors selected mid S-phase cells for their analysis. While this may not have completely eliminated minor differences in cell cycle progression, the authors identified FOXM1-regulated G2/M cell cycle genes, among others, that were down-regulated in the tolerant cells. When the authors followed up on the effect of these genes on replication stress tolerance, they identified FOXM1 knockdown as the only robust mediator of replication stress tolerance.

Major comments:

The authors observed that cell cycle distribution could be a major confounding factor in their single cell analysis and attempted to reduce this variation by selecting mid S-phase cells based on the DAPI signal. The authors then chose to compare gH2AXlow and gH2AXhigh subpopulations of RPE-HRASG12V cells because their "DAPI signal was comparable" (line 181-184). However, their data show that these subpopulations also show differences in their DAPI signal distribution, with gH2AXlow cells tending to have lower DAPI signals than gH2AXhigh cells (Supplementary Figure 2A). Thus, the major confounding factor that the authors sought to remove seems to have prevailed and it remains possible that the difference in cell cycle gene expression is merely due to differences in cell cycle progression of the individual cells. Given that DAPI information seem to be readily available for the individual cells, the authors should normalize their analysis to the DAPI signal to remove this potential confounding effect or clearly state this potential limitation.

We agree that indeed it is very challenging to fully disentangle the influence of cell cycle distribution on our analysis. And indeed, the γH2AXlow HRASG12V cells have slightly reduced median DNA content compared to γH2AXmid and γH2AXhigh. However, this was not the case in the RPE control cells, and we still found that FOXM1 target genes were strongly enriched in the γH2AXhigh cells (Fig S2C and Table S4). Therefore, it is highly unlikely that bias in S-phase position distributions does not explain our results. Nevertheless, to be transparent about this write in the Results on lines 192-193 the following: "The other groups all showed similar DAPI intensities, although gH2AXlow RPE-HRASG12V cells showed a slight but statistically significant reduction compared to their gH2AXhigh counterparts (Fig. S2A)".

In our subsequent experiments to assess the relationship between phospho-FOXM1 (representing the transcriptionally active protein) and γH2AX, we observed that though there was a strong correlation between pFOXM1 and γH2AX, there was no correlation between phospho-FOXM1 and DAPI (Figure 4D-E). We therefore would like to point out that although our readout for replication stress inevitably increases as cells progress through DNA replication, heterogeneity in phospho-FOXM1 levels cannot be explained by position in S-phase. These results are described in lines 203-209.

Finally, we do not think it would be statistically appropriate to use the DAPI signal (generated by fluorescence intensity as measured by the flow cytometer) as a normalization factor for our gene expression data.

Minor comments:

The findings of Saldivar et al., 2018 Science and Branigan et al., 2021 Cell Rep. should be mentioned in the introduction.

As recommended, we mentioned both these papers in the introduction. In line 62, we cite the Branigan paper as showing that modulation of cell cycle regulators is a strategy used by cancer cells to resist replication stress. In lines 63-65, we reference them as follows: "The RS response is tightly linked with cell cycle progression, as multiple intra S-phase checkpoint kinases play a role in curtailing proteins involved in the S-G2 transition (Branigan et al., 2021, Saldivar et al., 2018)."

The authors conclude that "cell cycle position can be a major confounding factor when evaluating the transcriptomic response to RS." It should be noted that stochastic differences in the cell cycle distribution of bulk cells are perhaps the best-known confounder in single cell analyses (see, for example, Buettner et al., 2015 Nat. Biotechnol.).

We chose to reference the Buettner paper to justify our decision to select only cycling cells in our scRNA seq approach. Our reference to the paper, and to the fact that cell cycle distribution is a major confounder in single cell analysis, is in lines 138-140.

Supplementary Figure 2A: The median should be added to the violin plots.

As suggested, we have added medians to the violin plots. In addition, we added details on statistical analysis.

The statement "Differential expression analysis revealed 19 genes that were significantly downregulated in gH2AXlow RPE-HRASG12V cells, suggesting that elevated levels of these genes are correlated with sensitivity to RS-inducing drugs" refers to Figure 3E and Table S1. However, Table S1 lists the "key resources" and does not seem to be related to this statement. A table showing log2fold-changes and FDR values should be added and referenced here.

We have generated tables with the fold change values of differentially expressed genes between the yH2AX low and yH2AX high cells. These are found in Table S1 (for HRAS G12V cells) and Table S2 (for Control cells) in the supplementary file of the revised manuscript. The "key resources" has been moved to Table S5.

The statement "Remarkably, Braningan and co-workers observed no effect of full FOXM1 deletion on cell cycle progression" seems somewhat inconsistent with what has been stated and assessed in that study. The authors may want to replace "progression" with "distribution". A reduction in proliferation is commonly observed when FOXM1 levels are reduced.

In addition, the authors may want to consider that their addition of HRASG12V and Gemcitabine may contribute to a more substantial S phase checkpoint response.

We agree with the reviewer that a reduction in proliferation is commonly observed when FOXM1 levels are reduced (Barger et al., 2021, Cheng et al., 2022, Yang et al., 2015, Wu et al., 2010), but in Branigan et al., they see no decrease in proliferation with knockout of FOXM1. They state "There were no apparent differences in the growth rate of the LIN54 and FOXM1 KO versus EV cells over 10 days (Figure 1G)". Though they do not elaborate on why they see this unexpected response, we suspect a permanent full knockout of FOXM1 could cause compensatory adaptation in their cell lines. In our experiments, we perform transient knockdowns, so cells may not have the time to adapt to the loss of FOXM1 and obtain compensatory mechanisms that would allow them to continue cycling as rapidly as control cells treated with non-targeting siRNA.

However, we decided to remove this from the Discussion section, as it seemed to interrupt the discussion about the potential mechanisms underlying protection against DNA damage by FOXM1 depletion.

The statement that "the mechanism by which high FOXM1 activity is a prerequisite to accumulate DNA damage in S-phase during CHK1 inhibition remains to be uncovered" seems to neglect that premature mitosis has been suggested as a mechanistic cause (Branigan et al., 2021 Cell Rep.). It would be helpful if the authors could elaborate on this.

In our discussion, we do already emphasize the described role of FOXM1 in promoting premature mitosis (lines 330-337), but we argue that in our experimental conditions we are observing another - previously undescribed- role for FOXM1 in promoting replication stress during S phase. We previously observed with live cell imaging that CHK1i + gemcitabine does not cause premature mitosis in RPE-HRASG12V cells (published in Segeren et al. Oncogene 2022, Figure 5). Instead, these cells typically showed a cell cycle exit from G2. This makes it highly unlikely that premature mitosis is the reason why these cells would accumulate excessive DNA damage. We realize now that it was an important omission not to elaborate on this and have added this clarification to the Discussion (lines 341-345 in revised manuscript). In addition, we have removed a few lines of less important text (about the lack of direct effect of FOXM1 KO in the Branigan paper; see answer to previous point) to improve clarity and readability.

Reviewer #2 (Significance (Required)):

General assessment: The strength of the study is the intriguing methodology of combined immunofluorescence followed by single cell RNA-seq. The limitations are that this methodology does not seem to fully solve the stated problems. In addition, the study is essentially limited to confirming previous findings.

Advance: The study strengthens current knowledge but provides essentially no advance. The authors confirm existing knowledge with an additional approach. While this is not an advance in itself, it is important to the community.

Audience: I felt that the study would appeal to a basic science audience. In particular, the CHK1i and intra S-phase checkpoint areas, with limited interest beyond that.

My relevant expertise lies in transcriptomics, gene regulation and the cell cycle.

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Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

Summary:

Replication stress activates ATR and CHEK1 kinases as part of the inter S phase DNA damage response. CHEK1 kinase inhibitors (CHK1i) have been shown to induce an accumulation of unresolved replication stress and widespread DNA damage and cell death caused by replication catastrophe, and are therefore under clinical evaluation. At the same time, CHEK1 inhibition results in the activation of CDK1 and FOXM1 and premature expression of G2/M genes (Saldivar et al., 2018 Science). FOXM1-drivent premature mitosis has been shown to be required for the replication catastrophe and CHK1i sensitivity (Branigan et al., 2021 Cell Rep.). In this study, Segeren and colleagues set out to investigate the mechanisms of replication stress tolerance. They used CHK1i inhibitors in combination with the DNA-damaging chemotherapeutic agent Gemcitabine and oncogenic HRASG12V expression to increase replication stress. The authors utilized an intriguing setup of combined immunofluorescence staining followed by single cell RNA-seq analysis to overcome limitations of bulk cell analyses. In particular, the authors sought to identify genes that are differentially regulated in replication replication stress-tolerant cells compared to sensitive cells. However, even single cell analyses can be confounded by differences in cell cycle distribution. To mitigate this, the authors selected mid S-phase cells for their analysis. While this may not have completely eliminated minor differences in cell cycle progression, the authors identified FOXM1-regulated G2/M cell cycle genes, among others, that were down-regulated in the tolerant cells. When the authors followed up on the effect of these genes on replication stress tolerance, they identified FOXM1 knockdown as the only robust mediator of replication stress tolerance.

Major comments:

The authors observed that cell cycle distribution could be a major confounding factor in their single cell analysis and attempted to reduce this variation by selecting mid S-phase cells based on the DAPI signal. The authors then chose to compare gH2AXlow and gH2AXhigh subpopulations of RPE-HRASG12V cells because their "DAPI signal was comparable" (line 181-184). However, their data show that these subpopulations also show differences in their DAPI signal distribution, with gH2AXlow cells tending to have lower DAPI signals than gH2AXhigh cells (Supplementary Figure 2A). Thus, the major confounding factor that the authors sought to remove seems to have prevailed and it remains possible that the difference in cell cycle gene expression is merely due to differences in cell cycle progression of the individual cells. Given that DAPI information seem to be readily available for the individual cells, the authors should normalize their analysis to the DAPI signal to remove this potential confounding effect or clearly state this potential limitation.

Minor comments:

The findings of Saldivar et al., 2018 Science and Branigan et al., 2021 Cell Rep. should be mentioned in the introduction.

The authors conclude that "cell cycle position can be a major confounding factor when evaluating the transcriptomic response to RS." It should be noted that stochastic differences in the cell cycle distribution of bulk cells are perhaps the best-known confounder in single cell analyses (see, for example, Buettner et al., 2015 Nat. Biotechnol.).

Supplementary Figure 2A: The median should be added to the violin plots.

The statement "Differential expression analysis revealed 19 genes that were significantly downregulated in gH2AXlow RPE-HRASG12V cells, suggesting that elevated levels of these genes are correlated with sensitivity to RS-inducing drugs" refers to Figure 3E and Table S1. However, Table S1 lists the "key resources" and does not seem to be related to this statement. A table showing log2fold-changes and FDR values should be added and referenced here.

The statement "Remarkably, Braningan and co-workers observed no effect of full FOXM1 deletion on cell cycle progression" seems somewhat inconsistent with what has been stated and assessed in that study. The authors may want to replace "progression" with "distribution". A reduction in proliferation is commonly observed when FOXM1 levels are reduced. In addition, the authors may want to consider that their addition of HRASG12V and Gemcitabine may contribute to a more substantial S phase checkpoint response.

The statement that "the mechanism by which high FOXM1 activity is a prerequisite to accumulate DNA damage in S-phase during CHK1 inhibition remains to be uncovered" seems to neglect that premature mitosis has been suggested as a mechanistic cause (Branigan et al., 2021 Cell Rep.). It would be helpful if the authors could elaborate on this.

Significance

General assessment: The strength of the study is the intriguing methodology of combined immunofluorescence followed by single cell RNA-seq. The limitations are that this methodology does not seem to fully solve the stated problems. In addition, the study is essentially limited to confirming previous findings.

Advance: The study strengthens current knowledge but provides essentially no advance. The authors confirm existing knowledge with an additional approach. While this is not an advance in itself, it is important to the community.

Audience: I felt that the study would appeal to a basic science audience. In particular, the CHK1i and intra S-phase checkpoint areas, with limited interest beyond that.

My relevant expertise lies in transcriptomics, gene regulation and the cell cycle.

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Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

This manuscript presented by Segeren et al. applied an interesting HRASG12V inducible cell model to study the mechanism of cellular resistance to replication stress inducing agents. They also employed a novel reversible fixation technique which allows them to FAC sort cells according to their replication stress levels before applying single cell sequencing analysis to the same cell populations. By comparing cells with low levels of replication stress to cells with high levels of replication stress, they found that reduction in gene expression of FOXM1 target genes potentially protects cells against replication stress induced by CHK1i plus gemcitabine combination.

Overall, this is a very interesting study. However, the following points should be addressed prior to publication:

Major:

1. Figure 3E and 3F showed two lists of differentially expressed genes in γH2Ax low cells. However, instead of arbitrarily extracting the FOXM1 target genes and TP53 targeted genes, it would be appreciated if the author could perform an unbiased and unsupervised gene set enrichment analysis such as Enrichr.
2. At the experiment design stage, the authors also included HRASG12V status as a test condition because they previously found that HRASG12V mutation induces basal level replication stress and they would like to include this condition to study the adaptation to replication stress (line 110). However, the difference in HRASG12V negative and HRASG12V positive cells was not followed up in the later part of the paper. Can they show lists of differentially expressed genes identified under HRASG12V negative conditions as well (in the same format of Figure 3E and 3F) and comment on the differences as well?
3. In line 194 and in Figure S2B, the authors claimed that ANLN, HMGB2, CENPE, MKI67, and UBE2C demonstrated co-expression, but other genes displaying similar correlation scores were not commented (such as F3, CYR61, CTGF, etc). To avoid being biased at the analysis stage, the authors should define clearly what the cut-off of correlation score is and why only co-expression of ANLN, HMGB2, CENPE, MKI67, and UBE2C were mentioned.
4. In line 215, instead of validating CENPE, UBE2C, HMGB2, ANLN, and MKI67 individually, the authors decided to validate FOXM1 instead, because they believe all the aforementioned genes are targets of FOXM1, therefore, validating FOXM1 alone would suffice. Again, this makes the validation process also biased. CENPE, UBE2C, HMGB2, ANLN, and MKI67 should be validated individually because they might sensitize cells to replication stress via different mechanisms. Besides, if all these genes were identified together because they are FOXM1 target genes, why did the authors not identify FOXM1 itself as a differentially expressed gene from the single cell sequencing? The sequencing only analyzed the S/G2/M cells, expression of FOXM1 should be detected easily.
5. As pointed out by the author in the Discussion, single cell sequencing is not good at differentiating the causes from the consequences. The author tried to validate many of the differentially expressed genes in γH2Ax low cells. However, the fact that only FOXM1 knockdown passed the validation and deconvolution pointed out that the great majority of the identified genes are not the cause of the sensitivity change to replication stress inducing agents but likely the consequences. Therefore, in Figure S2C and S2D, it would be better that the authors could just name the genes as 'downregulated genes' in Figure S2C and 'upregulated genes' in Figure S2D. Taking into consideration that the expression change in the great majority of these genes are just consequences of sensitivity change to replication stress, defining them as 'potentially sensitizing' genes and 'potentially conferring resistance' genes is rather misleading.
6. To better prove that FOXM1 is the leading cause of the sensitivity to CHK1i+Gemcitabine induced replication stress, can the authors show the FOXM1 expression status in the tolerant cell population identified in Figure 1B (lowest panel)? Alternatively, can they plot FOXM1 expression level in the same tSNE plots shown in Figure 3B to 3D to see whether some of the γH2Ax low populations also show reduced FOXM1 expression?
7. clonogenic survival assay in Figure 4D was not quantified properly in Figure 4E. To rule out the siFOXM1 mediated growth/survival defects and to only focus on the siFOXM1 mediated resistance to CHK1i+Gemcitabine, the survival rate (intensity percent in this case) of CHK1i+Gemcitabine treated condition should be normalized against the survival rate of the Vehicle condition. E.g., the intensity percent of the siSCRAMBLE after treatment should be divided by the intensity percent of the untreated siSCRAMBLE; the intensity percent of the si#1 after treatment should be divided by the intensity percent of the untreated si#1, and so on. If the authors would like to show siFOXM1 induced growth/survival defects, they can still present the left part of the Figure 4E (the Vehicle group).

Minor:

1. In line 176, the author claimed that 'Interestingly, rare cells treated with CHK1i + gemcitabine are located within the untreated cell cluster (Fig. 3C)'. However, it is not as obvious where these cells are in the plot, especially to people who are new to tSNE plots. It would be appreciated if the authors could label these cells by circling them with red lines and make the point stronger.
2. In Figure S2B, it will be ideal to label clearly which genes are upregulated genes and which are downregulate.
3. In line 50, the word 'multifaced' needs to be corrected to 'multifaceted'.
4. It is unclear what 'underly drug resistance' means in line 150.
5. It is advised that the phrase 'cell cycle position' could be changed to 'cell cycle phase' or 'cell cycle stage'.
6. In line 185, the word 'in' after 'within' can be removed.
7. In line 194, 'Among genes downregulated in γH2AXlow cells, the expression of ANLN, HMGB2, CENPE, MKI67 and UBE2C correlated' is missing an 'are' in front of the word 'correlated'.
8. In line 239, Fig.SC3 should be Fig. S3C.
9. FOXM1 is known as a crucial gene for G2/M transition. Therefore, FOXM1 knockdown cells are expected to be mostly arrested at the G2/M interface. Therefore, in line 244, it is incorrect to say stronger FOXM1 knockdown induced a 'lower proportion of cells in G2 phase'. In fact, as shown in Figure 4C, cells are accumulating in G2 phase (peaking around 11M on the DAPI axis) and depleted from G1 phase (peaking around 7M).

Significance

Advance:

The study reported a novel reversible fixation technique which can lead to potentially good citations. However, the findings from the single cell sequencing alone fell short in novelty to reach high impact because FOXM1 has been reported to impact on cellular sensitivity to CHK1 inhibition mediated replication stress (PMC7970065). Moreover, the study did not provide mechanistic explanation to the observed phenotype but only validated the finding from the sequencing, and the gene of focus (FOXM1) was not originally identified from the sequencing, slightly undermining the paper's foundation. To make it a better paper. the authors need to be less biased when it comes to data analysis and interpretation.

Audience:

People who are interested in basic research in cell cycle, DNA damage, cancer, chemotherapy would be interested.

My expertise:

Cancer, DNA damage, cell cycle

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Author response:

The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

Public Reviews:

Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

Summary:

The work from Petazzi et al. aimed at identifying novel factors supporting the differentiation of human hematopoietic progenitors from induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs). The authors developed an inducible CRISPR-mediated activation strategy (iCRISPRa) to test the impact of newly identified candidate factors on the generation of hematopoietic progenitors in vitro. They first compared previously published transcriptomic data of iPSCderived hemato-endothelial populations with cells isolated ex vivo from the aorta-gonadmesonephros (AGM) region of the human embryo and they identified 9 transcription factors expressed in the aortic hemogenic endothelium that were poorly expressed in the in vitro differentiated cells. They then tested the activation of these candidate factors in an iPSCbased culture system supporting the differentiation of hematopoietic progenitors in vitro. They found that the IGF binding protein 2 (IGFBP2) was the most upregulated gene in arterial endothelium after activation and they demonstrated that IGFBP2 promotes the generation of functional hematopoietic progenitors in vitro.

Strengths:

The authors developed an extremely useful doxycycline-inducible system to activate the expression of specific candidate genes in human iPSC. This approach allows us to simultaneously test the impact of 9 different transcription factors on in vitro differentiation of hematopoietic cells, and the system appears to be very versatile and applicable to a broad variety of studies.

The system was extensively validated for the expression of 1 transcription factor (RUNX1) in both HeLa cells and human iPSC, and a detailed characterization of this test experiment was provided.

The authors exhaustively demonstrated the role of IGFBP2 in promoting the generation of functional hematopoietic progenitors in vitro from iPSCs. Even though the use of IGFBP2interacting proteins IGF1 and IGF2 have been previously reported in human iPSC-derived hematopoietic differentiation in vitro (Ditadi and Sturgeon, Methods 2016; Ng et al., Nature Biotechnology 2016), and IGFBP-2 itself has been shown to promote adult HSC expansion ex vivo (Zhang et al., Blood 2008), its role on supporting in vitro hematopoiesis was demonstrated here for the first time.

Weaknesses:

Although the authors performed a very thorough characterization of the system in proof-ofprinciple experiments activating a single transcription factor, the data provided when 9 independent factors were used is not sufficient to fully validate the experimental strategy. Indeed, in the current version of the manuscript, it is not clear whether the results presented in both the scRNAseq analysis and the functional assays are the consequence of the simultaneous activation of all 9 TF or just a subset of them. This is essential to establish whether all the proposed factors play a role during embryonic hematopoiesis, and a more complete analysis of the scRNAseq dataset could help clarify this aspect.

Similarly, the data presented in the manuscript are not sufficient to clarify at what stage of the endothelial-to-hematopoietic transition (EHT) the TF activation has an impact. Indeed, even though the overall increase of functional hematopoietic progenitors is fully demonstrated, the assays proposed in the manuscript do not clarify whether this is due to a specific effect at the endothelial level or to an increased proliferation rate of the generated hematopoietic progenitors. Similar conclusions can be applied to the functional validation of IGFBP2 in vitro.

The overall conclusions are sometimes vague and not always supported by the data. For instance, the authors state that the CRISPR activation strategy resulted in transcriptional remodeling and a steer in cell identity, but they do not specify which cell types are involved and at what level of the EHT process this is happening. In the discussion, the authors also claim that they provided evidence to support that RUNX1T1 could regulate IGFBP2 expression. However, this is exclusively based on the enrichment of RUNX1T1 gRNA in cells expressing higher levels of IGFBP2 and it does not demonstrate any direct or indirect association of the two factors.

We thank the reviewer for the positive comments about the importance of our work and have now addressed the points raised as weaknesses by performing additional analysis and experiments, adding a new schematic of the mechanism, and rewording our claims.

We have clarified the different effects mediated by the activation and the IGFBP2 addition in a summary section at the end of the results and added Figure 6, showing this in visual form. We have also clearly stated the limitations related to the correlation between RUNX1T1 and IGFBP2 in the discussion and toned down our claims regarding this throughout the entire paper. We have also reworded the text to clarify the specific cell types identified in the sequencing data that we refer to.

Reviewer #2 (Public Review):

To enable robust production of hematopoietic progenitors in-vitro, Petazzi et al examined the role of transcription factors in the arterial hemogenic endothelium. They use IGFBP2 as a candidate gene to increase the directed differentiation of iPSCs into hematopoietic progenitors. They have established a novel induced-CRISPR mediated activation strategy to drive the expression of multiple endogenous transcription factors and show enhanced production of hematopoietic progenitors through expansion of the arterial endothelial cells. Further, upregulation of IGFBP2 in the arterial cells facilitates the metabolic switch from glycolysis to oxidative phosphorylation, inducing hematopoietic differentiation. While the overall study and resources generated are good, assertions in the manuscript are not entirely supported by the experimental data and some claims need further experimental validation.

We thank the reviewer for the positive comments, and we have provided new data and analysis to make sure that all our assertations are clearly supported and also reworded those where limitations were identified by the reviewers.

Recommendations for the authors:

Reviewing Editor (Recommendations For The Authors):

The assessment could change from "incomplete" to "solid" if the authors: i) improve data analysis (for both scRNAseq and functional assays) by providing additional information that could strengthen their conclusions, as suggested in the specific comments by both reviewers; ii) either provide new functional evidence supporting their mechanistic conclusion or alternatively tone down the claims that are not fully supported by data and acknowledge the limitations raised by reviewers in the discussion; (iii) the issue of paracrine signaling to expand only hematopoietic progenitors needs to be addressed.

We have now improved the data analysis and provided additional functional tests to strengthen our conclusions and toned down those that were identified by the reviewers as not supported enough and included a discussion on these limitations. We have also reworded the section about the paracrine signaling throughout the paper.

Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):

Figure 1 contains exclusively published data. It might be more appropriate to use it as a supplementary figure or as part of a more exhaustive figure (maybe combining Figures 1 and 2 together?).

Figure 1 contained novel bioinformatic analyses that represent the base of our research and it has a different content and focus to figure 2, which is already a large figure. We therefore believe it is better to keep it as a separate figure, containing a new panel now too. 

It seems there is an issue with Figure S3 labelling:

• In line 112, Figure S2A-B does not display genomic PCR and sequencing results;

• In line 123, Figure S3D-E does not show viability and proliferation data;

• In line 127, Figure S3G does not show mCherry expression in response to DOX;

We apologies for the confusion with the numbers, we have now correctly labelled the figures.

It would be more informative to include gates and frequency on flow cytometry plots in Figure S3, to be able to evaluate the extent of the reduction in mCherry expression.

We have now included the gating and frequency of mCherry-expressing cells in Supplementary Figure 3D.

It is not clear from the text and figures whether the SB treatment was maintained throughout the hematopoietic differentiation protocol (line 122):

• If so, it would be important to confirm that HDAC treatment does not affect EHT cultures

• If not, can the authors provide some evidence that transgene silencing is not occurring during hematopoietic differentiation?

We have clarified that we decided to treat the cells with SB exclusively in maintenance condihons because HDACs have been shown to be essenhal for the EHT (lines 138-142). We have now also included addihonal data showing the high expression of the mCherry tag reporhng the iSAM expression on day 8 (Supplementary Figure 4F).

Can the authors provide a simple diagram summarizing the experimental strategy for each differentiation experiment in the respective supplementary figure? For instance, at what stage of the protocol was DOX added in Figure 3? Or at what stage IGFBP2 was added in Figure 5? It would be a very useful addition to the interpretation of the results.

We have now included three schemahcs for all the experiments in the manuscript in supplementary figure 4 A-C.

In Figure 3, the authors should provide more detailed information about the data filtering of the scRNAseq experiment, and more specifically:

• How many cells were included in the analysis for each library after QC and filtering?

• How "cells in which the gRNAs expression was detected" were selected? Do they include only cells showing expression of gRNAs for all 9 TF?

This informahon is now included in the method sechon lines 773-781; the detailed code is available on the GitHub link provided in the same sechon. We have filtered the cells expressing one gRNA for the non-targehng gRNA (iSAM_NT) control and more than one for the iSAM_AGM sample. 

In Figure 3A, it is not clear whether the expression of the 9 factors is consistently detected in all cells or just a subset of them, and the heatmap in Figure 3A does not provide this information. It would be more accurate to provide expression on a per-cell basis, for instance, as a violin plot displaying single dots representing each cell. 

We have now included this violin plot in Supplementary Figure 4G as requested. However, this visualisation is difficult to interpret because some of the target genes’ expression seems variable in both experimental and control conditions. We had envisaged that this could have been the case and so this is why we had included the three different controls.  For this reason we chose to show the normalised expression which takes all the different variables into account (Figure 3A). 

In Figure 3B-C, it seems that clusters EHT1 and EHT2 do not express endothelial markers anymore. Are these fully differentiated hematopoietic cells rather than cells undergoing EHT? In general, it would be quite important to provide evidence of expressed marker genes characterizing each cluster (eg. heatmap summarizing top DEG in the supplementary figure?). 

We have now provided a spreadsheet containing the clusters’ markers that we used in

Supplementary Table 1) a heatmap in Figure 3E. Furthermor,e we have now edited Figure 3C to include Pan Endothelial markers (PECAM1 and CDH5). These data show that the EHT1 and EHT2 cluster both express endothelial markers but are progressively downregulated as expected during endothelial to hematopoietic transition. We have also included and discussed this in the manuscript lines 192-195 and a schematic for the mechanism in Figure 6.

In Figure 3E, displaying the proportion of clusters within each sample/library would be a more accurate way of comparing the cell types present in each library (removing potential bias introduced by loading different numbers of cells in each sample).

We have now included the requested data in Supplementary Figure 4I and it confirms again the expansion of arterial cells in the activated cells.    

In Figure 3G, by plating 20,000 total CD34+, the assay does not account for potential differences in sample composition. It is then hard to discriminate between the increased number of progenitors in the input or an enhanced ability of HE to undergo EHT. This is an important aspect to consider to precisely identify at what level the activation of the 9 factors is acting. A proper quantification of flow cytometry data summarizing the % of progenitors, arterial cells, etc. would be useful to interpret these results.

Lines 204-205 reworded. We are very much aware of the fact that the CD34+ cell population consists of a range of cells across the EHT process and this is precisely why we carried out this single cell sequencing analyses.  We purposely tested the effect of the observed changes in composition by colony assays

In Figure 3G, it seems that NT cells w/o DOX have very little CFU potential (if any). Can the authors provide an explanation for this?

We think that the limited CFU potential is due to the extensive genetic manipulation and selection that the cells underwent for the derivation of all the iSAM lines but this did not impede us from observing an effect of gene activation on CFU numbers. This is one of the primary reasons that we then validated our overall findings using the parental iPSC line in control condition and with the addition of IGFBP2. We show that the parental iPSC line gives rise to hematopoietic progenitor, both immunophenotypically (Figure 4D) and functionally, at expected levels (Figure 4B left column).

Figure 4A shows an upregulation of IGFBP2 in arterial cells as a result of TF activation. However, from the data presented here, it is not possible to evaluate whether this is specific to the arterial cluster, or it is a common effect shared by all cell types regardless of their identity. 

Data has now been included in Supplementary Figure 4H, which shows that all the cells show an increase in IGFBP2, but arterial cells show the highest increase. We have now edited the text to reflect this, in lines 228-230.

In Figure 5A-B only a minority of arterial cells express RUNX1 in response to IGFBP2 treatment. Is this sufficient to explain the very significant increase in the generation of functional hematopoietic progenitors described in Figure 4? Quantification and statistical analysis of RUNX1 upregulation would strengthen this conclusion.

We have now provided the statistical analysis showing significant upregulation of RUNX1 upon IGFBP2 addition. The p values are now provided in the figure 5 legend.

In Figure 5 the authors conclude that IGFBP2 remodels the metabolic profile of endothelial cells. However, it is not clear which cell types and clusters were included in the analysis of Figure 5C-G. Is the switch from Glycolysis to Oxidative Phosphorylation specific to endothelial cells? Or it is a more general effect on the entire culture, including hematopoietic cells? 

We based this conclusion on the fact that the single-cell RNAseq allows to verify that the metabolic differences are obtained in the endothelial cells. Given that we sorted the adherent cells, the majority of these are endothelial cells as shown in Figure 5A. The Seahorse pipeline includes a number of washing steps resulting in the analyses being performed on the adherent compartment which we know consists primarily of endothelial cells. We cannot exclude some contamination from non-endothelial cells but we highlight to this reviewer that the initial observation of the metabolic changes was identified in endothelial cells in the single cell sequencing data. Taken together, we believe that this implies that metabolic changes are specific to this population. We have clarified this in the line 317.

In the discussion, the authors conclude that they "provide evidence to support the hypothesis that RUNX1T1 could regulate IGFBP2 expression". To further support this conclusion, the authors could provide a correlation analysis of the expression of the two genes in the cell type of interest. 

Following the observation of the IGFBP2 high expression across clusters, we have now reworded this sentence in lines 382-385  We have tried to perform the correlation analysis but we believe this not to be appropriate due to the detection level of the gRNA, we have now included this as a limitation point in the discussion lines 416-427, and also toned down the conclusion we did draw about RUNX1T1 throughout the whole manuscript.

As mentioned by the authors, IGFBP2 binds IGF1 and IGF2 modulating their function. Both IGF1 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ymeth.2015.10.001) and IGF2 (doi:10.1038/nbt.3702) have been used in iPSC differentiation into definitive hematopoietic cells. It would be relevant to discuss/reference this in the discussion.

We have now included the suggested reference in the section where we discuss the role of IGFBP2 in binding IGF1 and IGF2.

Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):

(1) Figure 1 compares the transcriptome of human AGM and in-vitro derived hemogenic endothelial cells (HECs). It is not clear why only the genes downregulated in the latter were chosen. Are there any significantly upregulated genes, knockdown/knockout which could also serve a similar purpose? Single-cell transcriptome database analysis is very preliminary. A detailed panel with differences in cluster properties of HECs between the two systems should be provided. A heatmap of all differentially expressed genes between the two samples must be generated, along with a logical explanation for choosing the given set of genes. 

We have now included another panel in figure 1 to better clarify the logic behind the strategy used to identify our target genes (Figure 1A).

(2) Figure 2 - a panel describing the workflow of gRNA design and targeting for the 9 candidate genes, along with lentiviral packaging and transduction would make it easier to follow. 

We have now included three schematics for all the experiments in the manuscript in supplementary figure 4 A-C. 

(3) Figure 3- to assess the effect of arterial cell expansion on the emergence of hematopoietic progenitors, CD34+ Dll4+ cells should be sorted for OP9 co-culture assay.

Using only CD34+ cells does not answer the question raised. Also, the CFU assay performed does not fully support the claim of enhanced hematopoietic differentiation since only CFU-E and CFU-GM colonies are increased in Dox-treated samples, with no effect on other colony types. OP9 co-culture assay with these cells would be required to strengthen this claim. 

We wanted to clarify that the effect on the methylcellulose coming from the activated cells was not limited to CFU-E, as the reviewer reported; instead, it also affected CFU-GM and CFU-M. 

We have now performed additional experiments where we sorted the CD34+ compartment into DLL4- and DLL4+ in Supplementary Figure 5D-E, which we discussed in lines 250-258. 

(4) In Figure 3F, there appears to be a lot of variation in the DLL4% fold change values for

DOX treated iSAM_AGM sample, which weakens the claim of increased arterial expansion.

Can the authors explain the probable reason? It is suggested that the two other controls (iSAM_+DOX and iSAM_-DOX) should be included in this analysis. It is imperative to also show % populations rather than just fold change to gain confidence.

We agree that there is a lot of variability. That is because differentiation happens in 3D in embryoid bodies, which contain many different cell types that differentiate in different proportions across independent experiments. We have now included the raw data in Supplementary Figure 4 D, with additional statistical analysis to show the expansion of arterial cells including also the suggested additional controls.

(5) How does activation of these target genes cause increased arterialization? Is the emergence of non-HE populations suppressed? Or is it specific to the HE? The data on this should be clarified and also discussed. ANTO/Lesley text

We have provided additional data clarifying the connection between increased arterialisation and hemogenic potential. We showed that the activation induces increased arterialisation and that IGFBP2 acts by supporting the acquisition of hemogenic potential. We have discussed this in lines 326-348 and provided a new figure to explain this in detail (figure 6)

(6) Considering that IGFBP2 was chosen from the activated target gene(s) cluster, can the authors explain why the reduced CFU-M phenomenon observed in Figure 3G does not appear in the MethoCult assay for IGFBP2 treated cells (Figure 4B)?

The difference could be explained by the fact that in Figure 3G, the cells underwent activation of multiple genes, while in Figure 4B, they were only exposed to IGFBP2. Our results show that IGFBP2 could at least partially explain the phenotype that we see with the activation, but we believe that during the activation experiments, there might be other signals available that might not be induced by IGFBP2 alone. We have also added a summary section and a figure to clarify the different mechanisms of action of the gene activation and IGFBP2.

(7) Figure 4- while the experiments conducted support the role of IGFBP2 in increasing hematopoietic output, there is no experimental evidence to prove its function through paracrine signalling in HECs. The authors need to provide some evidence of how IGFBP2 supplementation specifically expands only the hematopoietic progenitors. Experimental strategies involving specifically targeting IGFBP2 in hemogenic/arterial endothelial cells are required to prove its cell type specific function. Additionally, assessing the in vivo functional potential of the hematopoietic cells generated in the presence of IGFBP2, by bone-marrow transplantation of CD34+ CD43+ cells, is essential. 

The role of IGFBP2 in the context of HSC production and expansion was not the topic of our research, and we have not claimed that IGFBP2  affects the long-term repopulating capacity of HSPCs. Therefore, we believe that the requested experiments are not required to support the specific claims that we do make. We have now provided more experiments and bioinformatic analysis that support the role of IGFBP2 in inducing the progression of EHT from arterial cells to hemogenic endothelium, and to avoid misunderstandings, we have toned down our claims by editing the text regarding its paracrine effect s. 

(8) Figure 4C-D -It is recommended to plot % populations along with fold change value. As this is a key finding, it is important to perform flow cytometry for additional hematopoietic markers- CD144, CD235a and CD41a to demonstrate whether this strategy can also expand erythroid-megakaryocyte progenitors. Telma

Figure 4C already shows the percentage values; we have now added the percentage for Figure 4D in SF5C. We have also performed additional analysis as requested and added the data obtained to Supplementary Figure 5D.

(9) In Figure 5, analysis showing the frequency of cells constituting different clusters, between untreated and IGFBP2-treated samples in the single-cell transcriptome analysis is essential. Additional experiments are required to validate the function of IGFBP2 through modulation of metabolic activity. Inhibition of oxidative phosphorylation in the IGFBP2treated cells should reduce the hematopoietic output. Authors should consider doing these experiments to provide a stronger mechanistic insight into IGFBP2-mediated regulation of hematopoietic emergence.

We have now included the requested cluster composition in Supplementary Figure 5F. We decided not to include further tests on the metabolic profile of IGFBP2 as we already discussed in other papers that showed, using selective inhibitors, that the EHT coincides with a glycol to OxPhos switch. 

(10) It is very striking to see that IGFBP2 supplementation changes the transcriptional profile of developing hematopoietic cells by increasing transcription of OXPHOS-related genes with concomitant reduction of glycolytic signatures, particularly at Day 13. However, the mitochondrial ATP rate measurements do not seem convincing. The bioenergetic profiles show that when mitochondrial inhibitors are added, both groups exhibit decreased OCR values and, on the other hand, higher ECAR. This indicates that both groups have the capability to utilize OXPHOS or glycolysis and may only differ in their basal respiration rates.

Differences in proliferation rate can cause basal respiration to change. There is no information on how the bioenergetic profile was normalized (cell no./protein amount). Given that IGFBP2 has been shown to increase proliferation, it is very likely that the cells treated with IGFBP2 proliferated faster and therefore have higher OCR. The data needs to be normalized appropriately to negate this possibility.

We have previously tested whether IGFBP2 causes an increase in proliferation by analysing the cell cycle of cells treated with it, as we initially thought this could be a mechanism of action. We have now provided the quantification of the cell cycle in the cells treated with IGFBP2, showing no effect was observed in cell cycle Supplementary Figure 4E. Following this analysis, we decided to plate the same number of cells and test their density under the microscope before running the experiment; each experiment was done in triplicate for each condition. We have now added this info to the method sections lines 806-813.  We did not comment on the basal difference, which we agree might be due to several factors, but we only compared the difference in response to the inhibitors, which isn’t affected by the basal level but exclusively by their D values. We have also included the formulas used to calculate the ATP production rate.

Overall, it appears that IGFBP2 does not seem to primarily cause metabolic changes, but simply accelerates the metabolic dependency on OXPHOS. Hence, the term 'metabolic remodelling' must be avoided unless IGFBP2 depletion/loss of function analysis is shown.

We thank the reviewer for suggesting how to interpret the data about the dependency on OXPHOS. We have now changed the conclusions and claims about the effect of IGFBP2. We have also included a cell cycle analysis of the hematopoietic cells derived upon IGFBP2 addition to show that they don’t show differences in proliferation that could cause the increase in colony formation we observed. Regarding the assay, we have plated the same number of cells for each group to make sure we were comparing the same number of cells, which we also assessed in the microscope before the test, and we eliminated the suspension cells during the washes that preceded the measurement. The review is correct in indicating that there is a basal difference in the value of OCR and ECAR where the IGFBP2 is lower at the start and not higher, which would not conceal higher proliferation. Finally, the ATP production rate is calculated on the variation of OCR and ECAR upon the addition of inhibitors, which normalizes for the basal differences.

eLife Assessment

This study presents useful findings to inform and improve the in vitro differentiation of hematopoietic progenitor cells from human induced pluripotent stem cells. Relying on a well-characterised technical approach, the data analysis is overall solid and reasonably supports the main conclusions.

Reviewer #1 (Public Review):

Summary:

The work from Petazzi et al. aimed at identifying novel factors supporting the differentiation of human hematopoietic progenitors from induced-pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs). The authors developed an inducible CRISPR-mediated activation strategy (iCRISPRa) to test the impact of newly identified candidate factors on the generation of hematopoietic progenitors in vitro. They first compared previously published transcriptomic data of iPSC-derived hemato-endothelial populations with cells isolated ex vivo from the aorta-gonad-mesonephros (AGM) region of the human embryo and they identified 9 transcription factors expressed in the aortic hemogenic endothelium that were poorly expressed in the in vitro differentiated cells. They then tested the activation of these candidate factors in an iPSC-based culture system supporting the differentiation of hematopoietic progenitors in vitro. They found that the IGF binding protein 2 (IGFBP2) was the most upregulated gene in arterial endothelium after activation and they demonstrated that IGFBP2 promotes the generation of functional hematopoietic progenitors in vitro.

Strengths:

The authors developed a very useful doxycycline-inducible system to activate the expression of specific candidate genes in human iPSC. This approach allows us to simultaneously test the impact of 9 different transcription factors on in vitro differentiation of hematopoietic cells, and the system appears to be very versatile and applicable to a broad variety of studies. Using this approach, the authors exhaustively demonstrated the role of IGFBP2 in promoting the generation of functional hematopoietic progenitors in vitro from iPSCs.

Weaknesses:

The authors performed a very thorough characterization of the system in proof-of-principle experiments activating a single transcription factor. However, when 9 independent factors were used, it is not always clear whether the observed results were the consequence of the simultaneous activation of all 9 TF or just a subset of them.

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Author response:

The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):

Summary:

In this manuscript, the molecular mechanism of interaction of daptomycin (DAP) with bacterial membrane phospholipids has been explored by fluorescence and CD spectroscopy, mass spectrometry, and RP-HPLC. The mechanism of binding was found to be a two-step process. A fast reversible step of binding to the surface and a slow irreversible step of membrane insertion. Fluorescence-based titrations were performed and analysed to infer that daptomycin bound simultaneously two molecules of PG with nanomolar affinity in the presence of calcium. Conformational change but not membrane insertion was observed for DAP in the presence of cardiolipin and calcium.

Strengths:

The strength of the study is skillful execution of biophysical experiments, especially stoppedflow kinetics that capture the first surface binding event, and careful delineation of the stoichiometry.

Weaknesses:

The weakness of the study is that it does not add substantially to the previously known information and fails to provide additional molecular details. The current study provides incremental information on DAP-PG-calcium association but fails to capture the complex in mass spectrometry. The ITC and NMR studies with G3P are inconclusive. There are no structural models presented. Another aspect missing from the study is the reconciliation between PG in the monomer, micellar, and membrane forms.

Besides the two-stage process, another important finding in the current work is the stable complex that plays a critical role in the drug uptake both in vitro and in B. subtilis. This complex has been shown to be a stable species in HPLC and its binding stoichiometry and affinity have been quantitatively characterized. The complex may not be stable enough in gas phase to be detected in the MS analysis, which was designed to detect the phospholipid and Dap components, not the complex itself. The structural model of this complex is clearly proposed and presented in Figure 6. 

The NMR and ITC studies have a very clear conclusion that Dap has a weak interaction with the PG headgroup alone, which is unable to account for the Dap-PG interaction observed in the fluorescence studies. Thus, the whole PG molecule has to be involved in the interaction, leading to the discovery of the stable complex.  

Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):

(1) I appreciate and agree with the comment that there are stages of daptomycin insertion, and these might involve the formation of different complexes with different binding partners (e.g. pre-insertion vs quaternary vs bactericidal). However, it seems like lipid II is an apparent participant in daptomycin membrane dynamics (Grein et al. Nature Communications 2020). It's not clear why this was excluded from analysis by the authors, or what basis there is for the discussion statement that the quaternary complex can shift into the bactericidal complex by exchanging 1 PG for lipid II. 

We agree that lipid II and other isoprenyl lipids may be involved in the uptake and insertion of daptomycin into membrane according to the results of the Nat. Comm. paper. However, these isoprenyl lipids are very small components of the membrane in comparison to PG and their contribution to the drug uptake is thus expected to be much less significant. Nonetheless, we included farnesyl pyrophosphate (FPP) as an analog of bactoprenol pyrophosphate (C55PP), which was reported to have the same promoting effect as lipid II in the previous study, in our study but found no promoting effect in the fluorescence assay (Fig. 2B). In addition, no complex was formed when FPP replaced PG in our preparation and analysis of the drug-lipid complex. In consideration of these negative results and the expected small contribution, other isoprenyl lipids or their analogs were not included in the study.

The statement of forming the proposed bactericidal complex from the identified complex is a speculation that is possible only when lipid II has a higher affinity for Dap than a PG ligand. To avoid confusion, we deleted the sentence’ in the revision. 

(2) The detailed examination of daptomycin dynamics, particularly on the millisecond scale, in this paper is ideal for characterizing the effect of lipid II on daptomycin insertion. It would be helpful to either include lipid II in some analyses (micelle binding, fluorescence shifts, CD) or at least address why it was excluded from the scope of this work.

As mentioned in the response to the first comment, we did not exclude isoprenyl lipids in our study but used some of their analogs in the fluorescence assay. Besides FPP mentioned above, we also tested geranyl pyrophosphate and geranyl monophosphate but obtained the same negative results. Lipid II was not directly used because it is one of the three isoprenyl lipids reported to have the same promoting effects in the Nat. Comm. paper and also because its preparation is not easy. Even if lipid II were different from other isoprenyl lipids in promoting membrane binding, its contribution is likely negligible at the reversible stage compared to the phospholipids because of its minuscule content in bacterial membrane. This is the main reason we did not use the isoprenyl lipids in the fast kinetic study (this stage only involves reversible binding, not insertion). 

(3) Grein et al. 2020 saw that PG did not have a strong effect on daptomycin interaction with membranes. I believe this discrepancy is more likely due to the complex physical parameters of supported bilayers versus micelles/vesicles or some other methodological variable, but if the authors have more insight on this, it would be valuable commentary in the discussion.

We totally agree that the discrepancy is likely due to the different conditions in the assays. It is hard to tell exactly what causes the difference. Thus, we did not attempt to comment on the cause of this difference in the discussion.

(4) Isolation of the daptomycin complex from B. subtilis cells clearly had different traces from the in vitro complex; is it possible that lipid II is present in the B. subtilis complex? If not, a time-course extraction could be useful to support the model that different complexes have different activities. Isolates from early-stage incubation with daptomycin may lack lipid II but isolates from longer incubations may have lipid II present as the complex shifts from insertion to bactericidal.

From the day we isolated the complex from B. subtilis, we have been looking for evidence for the previously proposed lipid complexes containing lipid II or other isoprenyl lipids but have not been successful. We did not see any sign of lipid II or other isoprenyl lipids in the MALDI or ESI mass spectroscopic data. The minute peaks in the HPLC traces are not the expected complexes in separate LC-MS analysis. However, this does not mean that such complexes are not present in the isolated PG-containing complex because: (1) the amount of such complexes may be too small to be detected due to the low content of the isoprenyl lipids; (2) the isoprenyl lipids, particularly lipid II, are not easily ionizable due to their size and unique structure for detection in mass spectrometry. 

We don’t think the drug treatment time is the reason for the failure in detecting lipid II or other isoprenyl lipids. In our reported experiment, the cells were treated with a very high dose of Dap for 2 hours before extraction. In a separate experiment done recently, we treated B. subtilis at 1/3 of the used dose under the same condition and found all treated cells were dead after 1 hour in a titration assay, consistent with the results from reported time-killing assays in the literature. From this result, the proposed bactericidal lipid-containing complex should have been formed in the treated cells used in our extraction and isolated along with the PG-containing complex. It was not detected likely due to the reasons discussed above. To avoid the interference of the PG-containing complex, a large amount of bacterial cells might have to be treated at a low dose to isolate enough amount of the lipid II-containing complex for identification. However, isolation or identification of the lipid II-containing complex is outside the scope of the current investigation and is therefore not pursued. 

(5) Part of the daptomycin mechanism of interacting with bacterial membranes involves the flipping of daptomycin from one leaflet to another. There was some mentioned work on the consistency of results between micelles and vesicles, but the dynamics or existence of a flipping complex in the bilayer system wasn't addressed at all in this paper.

The current investigation makes no attempt to solve all problems in the daptomycin mode of action and is limited to the uptake of the drug, up to the point when Dap is inserted into the membrane. Within this scope, flipping of the complex is not yet involved and is thus irrelevant to the study. How the complex is flipped and used to kill the bacteria is what should be investigated next.  

(6) The authors mention data with phosphatidylethanolamine in the text, but I could not find the data in the main or supplemental figures. I recommend including it in at least one of the figures.

It is much appreciated that this error is identified. The POPE data was lost when the graphic (Fig. 2B) was assembled in Adobe to create Figure 2. We re-draw the graphic and reassemble the figure to solve this problem. Fig. 2B has also been modified to use micromolar for the concentration of the lipids.

(7) Readability point: I'd suggest some consistency in the concentrations mentioned. Making the concentrations either all molar-based or all percentage-based would make comparison across figures easier.

As suggested, we have changed the % into micromolar concentrations in Fig. 2B and also in Fig. 3A. 

(8) The model figure is quite difficult to interpret, particularly the final stage of the tail unfolding. I recommend the authors use a zoomed-in inset for this stage, or at least simplify the diagram by removing the non-participating lipid structures. The figure legend for the model figure should also have a brief description of the events and what the arrows mean, particularly the POPS PG arrow in the final panel of the figure. I am assuming here the authors are implying that daptomycin can transiently interact with one lipid species and move to another, but the arrow here suggests that daptomycin is moving through the lipid headgroup space.

We really appreciate the suggestions. As suggested, we put an inset to show the preinsertion complex more clearly. In addition, we have removed the green arrows originally intended to show the re-organization/movement of the phospholipids. Moreover, the legend is changed to ‘Proposed mechanism for the two-phased uptake of Dap into bacterial membrane. In the first phase, Dap reversibly binds to negative phospholipids with a hidden tail in the headgroup region, where it combines with two PG molecules to form a pre-insertion complex. In the second phase, the hidden tail unfolds and irreversibly inserts into the membrane. The inset shows the headgroup of the pre-insertion complex with the broad arrow showing the direction for the unfolding of the hidden tail. The red dots denote Ca2+.’  

(9) The authors listed the Kd for daptomycin and 2 PG as 7.2 x 10-15 M2. Is this correct? This is an affinity in the femtomolar range.

Please note that this Kd is for the simultaneous binding of two PG molecules, not for the binding of a single ligand that we usually refer to. Assuming that each PG contributes equally to this interaction, the binding affinity for each ligand is then the squared root of 7.2 x 10-15 M2, which equals to 8.5 x 10-8 M. This is equivalent to a nanomolar affinity for PG and is a reasonably high affinity.

Reviewer #3 (Recommendations For The Authors):

(1) The authors reported an increase in daptomycin intensity with the increasing amount of negatively charged DMPG. A similar observation has been reported for GUVs, however, the authors did not refer to this paper in their manuscript: E. Krok, M. Stephan, R. Dimova, L. Piatkowski, Tunable biomimetic bacterial membranes from binary and ternary lipid mixtures and their application in antimicrobial testing, Biochim. Biophys. Acta - Biomembr. 1865 (2023) [1]. This paper is also consistent with the authors' observation that there is negligible fluorescence detected for the membranes composed of PC lipids upon exposure to the Dap treatment.

As suggested, this paper is cited as ref. 29 in the revision by adding the following sentence at the end of the section ‘Dependence of Dap uptake on phosphatidylglycerol.’: ‘PG-dependent increase of the steady-state fluorescence was also observed in giant unilamellar vesicles (GUVs).29’. The numbering is changed accordingly for the remaining references.  

(2) Please include the plot of the steady-state Kyn fluorescence vs the content of POPA (Figure 2C shows traces for DMPG, CL, and POPS). Both POPA and POPS lipids are negatively charged, however, POPS seems to interact with Dap, while POPA does not. In my opinion, this observation is really interesting and might deserve a more thorough discussion. The authors might want to describe what could be the mechanism behind this lipid-specific mode of binding.

As suggested, a plot is now added for POPA in Fig. 2C, which is basically a flat line without significant increase for the Kyn fluorescence. Indeed, the different effect of the negative phospholipids is very interesting, indicating that the reversible binding of Dap to the lipid surface is dependent not only on the Ca2+-mediated ionic interaction but also the structure of the headgroup. In other words, Dap recognizes the phospholipids at the surface binding stage. Considering this headgroup specificity, the last sentence in the second paragraph in “Discussion’ is changed from ‘In addition, due to the low lipid specificity, this reversible binding likely involves Ca2+-mediated ionic interaction between Dap and the phosphoryl moiety of the headgroups.’ to ‘In addition, due to the specificity for negative phospholipids (Fig. 2B and 2C), this reversible binding of Dap likely involves both a nonspecific Ca2+-mediated ionic interaction and a specific interaction with the remaining part of the headgroups.’

(3) The authors write that they propose a novel mechanism for the Ca2+-dependent insertion of Dap to the bacterial membrane, however, they rather ignored the already published findings and hypotheses regarding this process. In fact the role of Ca2+, as well as the proposed conformational changes of Dap, which allow its deeper insertion into the membrane are well known:

The role of Ca2+ ions in the mechanism of binding is actually three-fold: (i) neutralization of daptomycin charge [2], (iii) creating the connection between lipids and daptomycin and (iii) inducing two daptomycin conformational changes. It should be noted that the interactions between calcium ions and daptomycin are 2-3 orders of magnitude stronger than between daptomycin and PG lipids [3,4]. Thus, upon the addition of CaCl2 to the solution, the divalent cations of calcium bind preferentially to the daptomycin, rather than to the negatively charged PG lipids, which results in the decrease of daptomycin net negative charge but also leads to its first conformational change [4]. Upon binding between calcium ions and two aspartate residues, the area of the hydrophobic surface increases, which allows the daptomycin to interact with the negatively charged membrane. In the next step, Ca2+ acts as a bridge connecting daptomycin with the anionic lipids. This event leads to the second conformational change, which enables deeper insertion of daptomycin into the lipid membrane and enables its fluorescence [4]. The overall mechanism has a sequential character, where the binding of daptomycin-Ca2+ complex to the negatively charged PG (or CA) occurs at the end.

The authors should focus on emphasizing the novelty of their manuscript, keeping in mind the already published paper.

We agree with the comments on the three general roles of calcium ion in the Dap interaction with membrane. The current investigation does not ignore the previous findings, which involve many more works than mentioned above, but takes these findings as common knowledge. Actually, the role of calcium ion is not the focus of current work. Instead, the current work focuses on how the drug is taken up and inserted into the membrane in the presence of the ion and how its structure changes in this process. With the known roles of calcium ion in mind, we propose an uptake mechanism (Fig. 6) that shows no conflict with the common knowledge.

We would like to point out that the ‘deeper insertion into the membrane’ in the comment is different from the membrane insertion referred to in our manuscript. This ‘deeper insertion’ still remains in the reversible stage of binding to the membrane surface because all negative phospholipids can do this (causing a conformational change and fluorescence increase, as quantified in Fig.2C) but now we know that only PG can enable irreversible membrane insertion because of our work. In addition, the comment that calcium binding to daptomycin causes first conformational change is not supported by our finding that no conformational change is found for Dap in the presence of calcium in a lipid-free environment (Fig. 3B). One important aspect of novelty and contribution of our work is to clear up some of these ambiguities in the literature. Another contribution of our work is to demonstrate the formation of a stable complex between Dap and PG with a defined stoichiometry and its crucial role in the drug uptake. 

(4) One paragraph in the section "Ca2+- dependent interaction between Dap and DMPG" is devoted to a discussion of the formation of precipitate upon extraction of DMPG-containing micelles, exposed to Dap in the calcium-rich environment. Contrary, in the absence of Dap, no precipitate was detected. The authors did not provide any visual proof for their statement. Please include proper photographs in the supplementary information.

The precipitate formed upon extraction of the DMPG-containing micelles was too little to be visually identifiable but could be collected by centrifugation and detected by fluorescence or HPLC after dissolving in DMSO. For visualization, we show below the precipitate formed using higher amount of Dap and DMPG. The Dap-DMPG-Ca2+ complex (left tube) was formed by mixing 1 mM Dap, 2 mM DMPG and 1 mM Ca2+ and the control (right tube) was a mixture of 2 mM DMPG and 1 mM Ca2+. This is now added as Fig. S7 in the supplementary information (the index is modified accordingly) and cited in the main text.

(5) The authors wrote that it is not clear how many calcium ions are bound to Dap-2PG complex (page 11, Discussion section). There are already reports discussing this issue. I recommend citing the paper discussing that exactly two Ca2+ ions bind to a single Dap molecule: R. Taylor, K. Butt, B. Scott, T. Zhang, J.K. Muraih, E. Mintzer, S. Taylor, M. Palmer, Two successive calcium-dependent transitions mediate membrane binding and oligomerization of daptomycin and the related antibiotic A54145, Biochim. Biophys. Acta - Biomembr. 1858, (2016) 1999-2005 [5]

We were aware of the cited work that shows binding of two Ca2+ but also noted that there are more works showing one Ca2+ in the binding, such as the paper in [Ho, S. W., Jung, D., Calhoun, J. R., Lear, J. D., Okon, M., Scott, W. R. P., Hancock, R. E. W., & Straus, S. K. (2008), Effect of divalent cations on the structure of the antibiotic daptomycin. European Biophysics Journal, 37(4), 421–433.]. That was the reason we said ‘it is not clear how many calcium ions are bound to Dap-2PG complex’. Now, both papers are cited (as Ref. #33, 34) to support this statement.

(6) The authors wrote two contradictory statements:

-  PG cannot be found in mammalian cell membranes:

"Moreover, the complete dependence of the membrane insertion on PG also explains why Dap selectively attacks Gram-positive bacteria without affecting mammalian cells, because PG is present only in bacterial membrane but not in mammalian membrane. " (Page 10, Discussion section, last sentence of the first paragraph)

"However, Dap absorbed on bacterial surface is continuously inserted into the acyl layer via formation of complex with PG in a time scale of minutes, whereas no irreversible insertion of Dap occurs on mammalian membrane due to the absence of PG while the bound Dap is continuously released to the circulation as the drug is depleted by the bacteria." (Page 13, Discussion section)

-  PG in trace amounts is present in mammalian membranes:

"The proposed requirement of the pre-insertion quaternary complex increases the threshold of PG content for the membrane insertion to happen and thus makes it impossible on the surface of mammalian cells even if their plasma membrane contains a trace amount of PG." (Page 13, Discussion section).

In fact, phosphatidylglycerol comprises 1-2 mol% of the mammalian cell membranes. Please, correct this information, which in this form is misleading to the readers.

We appreciate the comments about the PG content in mammalian cells. Changes are made as listed below:

(1) p10, the sentence is changed to ‘Moreover, the complete dependence of the membrane insertion on PG also explains why Dap selectively attacks Gram-positive bacteria without affecting mammalian cells, because PG is a major phospholipid in bacterial membrane but is a minor component in mammalian membrane.’ 

(2) p13, the sentence is changed to ‘However, Dap absorbed on bacterial surface is continuously inserted into the acyl layer via formation of complex with PG in a time scale of minutes, whereas little irreversible insertion of Dap occurs on mammalian membrane due to the low content of PG while the bound Dap is continuously released to the circulation as the drug is depleted by the bacteria.’

(3) p13, another sentence is modified to ‘The proposed requirement of the pre-insertion quaternary complex increases the threshold of PG content for the membrane insertion to happen and thus makes it less likely on the surface of mammalian cells that contain PG at a low level in the membrane.’ 

(7) Please include information that Dap is effective only against Gram-positive bacteria and does not show antimicrobial properties against Gram-negative strains. The authors focused on emphasizing that Dap does not affect mammalian membranes, most likely due to the low PG content, however even membranes of Gram-negative bacteria are not susceptible to the Dap, despite the relatively high content of negatively charged PG in the inner membrane (e.g. inner cell membrane of E. coli has ~20% PG).

The requested information is already included in ‘Introduction’. In this part, Dap is introduced to be only active against Gram-positive bacteria, implicating that it is not active against Gram-negative bacteria. The reason Dap is inactive against E. coli or other Gramnegative bacteria is because the outer membrane prevents the antibiotic from accessing the PG in the inner membrane to cause any harm. When the outer membrane is removed, Dap will also attack the plasma membrane of Gram-negative bacteria. 

Literature cited in the comments:

(1) E. Krok, M. Stephan, R. Dimova, L. Piatkowski, Tunable biomimetic bacterial membranes from binary and ternary lipid mixtures and their application in antimicrobial testing, Biochim. Biophys. Acta - Biomembr. 1865 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1101/2023.02.12.528174.

(2) S.W. Ho, D. Jung, J.R. Calhoun, J.D. Lear, M. Okon, W.R.P. Scott, R.E.W. Hancock, S.K. Straus, Effect of divalent cations on the structure of the antibiotic daptomycin, Eur. Biophys. J. 37 (2008) 421-433. https://doi.org/10.1007/S00249-007-0227-2/METRICS.

(3) A. Pokorny, P.F. Almeida, The Antibiotic Peptide Daptomycin Functions by Reorganizing the Membrane, J. Membr. Biol. 254 (2021) 97-108. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00232-02100175-0.

(4) L. Robbel, M.A. Marahiel, Daptomycin, a bacterial lipopeptide synthesized by a nonribosomal machinery, J. Biol. Chem. 285 (2010) 2750127508. https://doi.org/10.1074/JBC.R110.128181.

(5) R. Taylor, K. Butt, B. Scott, T. Zhang, J.K. Muraih, E. Mintzer, S. Taylor, M. Palmer, Two successive calcium-dependent transitions mediate membrane binding and oligomerization of daptomycin and the related antibiotic A54145, Biochim. Biophys. Acta - Biomembr. 1858 (2016) 1999-2005. https://doi.org/10.1016/J.BBAMEM.2016.05.020.

eLife Assessment

This valuable study describes the molecular mechanism of daptomycin insertion into bacterial membranes. The authors provide solid in vitro evidence for the early events of daptomycin interaction with phospholipid headgroups and stronger, specific interaction with phosphatidylglycerol. This work will be of interest to bacterial membrane biologists and biochemists working in the antimicrobial resistance field.

Reviewer #3 (Public review):

Summary:

Machhua et al. in their work focused on unravelling the molecular mechanism of daptomycin binding and interaction with bacterial cell membranes. Daptomycin (Dap) is an acidic, cyclic lipopeptide composed of 13 amino acids, known for preferential binding to anionic lipids, particularly phosphatidylglycerol (PG), which are prevalent components in the membranes of Gram-positive bacteria. The process of binding and antimicrobial efficacy of Dap are significantly influenced by the ionic composition of the surrounding environment, especially the presence of Ca2+ ions. The authors underscore the presence of significant knowledge gaps in our understanding of daptomycin's mode of action. Several critical questions remain unanswered, including the basis for selective recognition and accumulation in membranes of Gram-positive strains, the specific role of Ca2+ ions in this process, and the mechanisms by which daptomycin binds to and inserts into the cell membrane.

Dap is intrinsically fluorescent due to its kynurenine residue (Kyn-13) and this property allows direct imaging of Dap binding to model cell membranes without the need of additional labeling. Taking advantage of this Dap autofluorescence, authors monitored the emission intensity of micelles, composed of varying DMPG content upon their exposure to Dap and compared it with the kinetics of fluorescence observed for zwitterionic DMPC and other negatively charged lipids such as cardiolipin (CA), POPA and POPS. The authors noted that the linear relationship between DMPG content and Dap fluorescence is strongly lipid-specific, as it was not observed for other anionic lipids. The manuscript sheds light on the specificity of Dap's interaction with CA and DMPG lipids. Through Ca2+ sequestration with EGTA, the authors demonstrated that the binding of Dap with CA is reversible, while its interaction with DMPG results in the irreversible insertion of Dap into the lipid membrane structure, caused by the significant conformational change of this lipopeptide. The formation of a stable DMPG-Dap complex was also verified in bacterial cells isolated from Gram-positive bacteria B. subtilis, where Dap exhibited a permanent binding to PG lipids.

Altogether, the authors endeavored to illuminate novel insights into the molecular basis of Dap binding, interaction, and the mechanism of insertion into bacterial cell membranes. Such understanding holds promise for the development of innovative strategies in combating drug resistance and the emerging of the so-called superbugs.

Strengths:

- The manuscript by Machhua et al. provides a comprehensive analysis of the Dap mechanism of binding and interaction with the membrane. It discusses various aspects of this, only apparently trivial interaction such as the importance of PG presence in the membrane, the impact of Ca2+ ions, and different mechanisms of Dap binding with other negatively charged lipids.<br /> - The authors focused not only on model membranes (micelles) but also extended their research to bacterial cell membranes obtained from B. subtilis<br /> - The research is not only a report of the experimental findings but tries to give potential hypotheses explaining the molecular mechanisms behind the observed results

Weaknesses:

- The authors overestimate their findings, stating that they propose a novel mechanism of Dap interaction with bacterial cell membranes. This research is the extension of the hypotheses that have already been reported.<br /> - The literature study and overall discussion about the mechanism of action of Ca2+ ions or conformational changes of daptomycin could be improved.

This manuscript examines preprint review services and their role in the scholarly communications ecosystem.  It seems quite thorough to me. In Table 1 they list many peer-review services that I was unaware of e.g. SciRate and Sinai Immunology Review Project.

To help elicit critical & confirmatory responses for this peer review report I am trialling Elsevier’s suggested “structured peer review” core questions, and treating this manuscript as a research article.

Introduction

1. Is the background and literature section up to date and appropriate for the topic?

   Yes.

2. Are the primary (and secondary) objectives clearly stated at the end of the introduction?

   No. Instead the authors have chosen to put the two research questions on page 6 in the methods section. I wonder if they ought to be moved into the introduction – the research questions are not methods in themselves. Might it be better to state the research questions first and then detail the methods one uses to address those questions afterwards? [as Elsevier’s structured template seems implicitly to prefer.

Methods

1. Are the study methods (including theory/applicability/modelling) reported in sufficient detail to allow for their replicability or reproducibility?

   I note with approval that the version number of the software they used (ATLAS.ti) was given.

   I note with approval that the underlying data is publicly archived under CC BY at figshare.

   The Atlas.ti report data spreadsheet could do with some small improvement – the column headers are little cryptic e.g. “Nº  ST “ and “ST” which I eventually deduced was Number of Schools of Thought and Schools of Thought (?)   

   Is there a rawer form of the data that could be deposited with which to evidence the work done? The Atlas.ti report spreadsheet seemed like it was downstream output data from Atlas.ti. What was the rawer input data entered into Atlas.ti? Can this be archived somewhere in case researchers want to reanalyse it using other tools and methods.

   I note with disapproval that Atlas.ti is proprietary software which may hinder the reproducibility of this work. Nonetheless I acknowledge that Atlas.ti usage is somewhat ‘accepted’ in social sciences despite this issue.

   I think the qualitative text analysis is a little vague and/or under-described: “Using ATLAS.ti Windows (version 23.0.8.0), we carried out a qualitative analysis of text from the relevant sites, assigning codes covering what they do and why they have chosen to do it that way.” That’s not enough detail. Perhaps an example or two could be given? Was inter-rater reliability performed when ‘assigning codes’ ? How do we know the ‘codes’ were assigned accurately?

2. Are statistical analyses, controls, sampling mechanism, and statistical reporting (e.g., P-values, CIs, effect sizes) appropriate and well described?

   This is a descriptive study (and that’s fine) so there aren’t really any statistics on show here other than simple ‘counts’ (of Schools of Thought) in this manuscript. There are probably some statistical processes going on within the proprietary qualitative analysis of text done in ATLAS.ti but it is under described and so hard for me to evaluate. 

Results

1. Is the results presentation, including the number of tables and figures, appropriate to best present the study findings?

   Yes. However, I think a canonical URL to each service should be given.  A URL is very useful for disambiguation, to confirm e.g. that the authors mean this Hypothesis (www.hypothes.is) and NOT this Hypothesis (www.hyp.io). I know exactly which Hypothesis is the one the authors are referring to but we cannot assume all readers are experts 😊

   Optional suggestion: I wonder if the authors couldn’t present the table data in a slightly more visual and/or compact way? It’s not very visually appealing in its current state. Purely as an optional suggestion, to make the table more compact one could recode the answers given in one or more of the columns 2, 3 and 4 in the table e.g. "all disciplines = ⬤ , biomedical and life sciences = ▲, social sciences =  ‡  , engineering and technology = † ". I note this would give more space in the table to print the URLs for each service that both reviewers have requested.

   ———————————————————————————————

   | Service name | Developed by | Scientific disciplines | Types of outputs |

   | Episciences | Other | ⬤ | blah blah blah. |

   | Faculty Opinions | Individual researcher | ▲ | blah blah blah. |

   | Red Team Market | Individual researcher | ‡ | blah blah blah. |

   ———————————————————————————————

   The "Types of outputs" column might even lend themselves to mini-colour-pictograms (?) which could be more concise and more visually appealing? A table just of text, might be scientifically 'correct' but it is incredibly dull for readers, in my opinion.

2. Are additional sub-analyses or statistical measures needed (e.g., reporting of CIs, effect sizes, sensitivity analyses)?

   No / Not applicable. 

Discussion

1. Is the interpretation of results and study conclusions supported by the data and the study design?

   Yes.

2. Have the authors clearly emphasized the limitations of their study/theory/methods/argument?

   No. Perhaps a discussion of the linguistic/comprehension bias of the authors might be appropriate for this manuscript. What if there are ‘local’ or regional Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian or Arabic language preprint review services out there? Would this authorship team really be able to find them?

Additional points:

• Perhaps the points made in this manuscript about financial sustainability (p24) are a little too pessimistic. I get it, there is merit to this argument, but there is also some significant investment going on there if you know where to look. Perhaps it might be worth citing some recent investments e.g. Gates -> PREreview (2024) https://content.prereview.org/prereview-welcomes-funding/  and Arcadia’s $4 million USD to COAR for the Notify Project which supports a range of preprint review communities including Peer Community In, Episciences, PREreview and Harvard Library.  (source: https://coar-repositories.org/news-updates/coar-welcomes-significant-funding-for-the-notify-project/ ) 

• Although I note they are mentioned, I think more needs to be written about the similarity and overlap between ‘overlay journals’ and preprint review services. Are these arguably not just two different terms for kinda the same thing? If you have Peer Community In which has it’s overlay component in the form of the Peer Community Journal, why not mention other overlay journals like Discrete Analysis and The Open Journal of Astrophysics.   I think Peer Community In (& it’s PCJ) is the go-to example of the thin-ness of the line the separates (or doesn’t!) overlay journals and preprint review services. Some more exposition on this would be useful.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to review the preprint titled “Preprint review services: Disrupting the scholarly communication landscape?” (https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/8c6xm) The authors review services that facilitate peer review of preprints, primarily in the STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) disciplines. They examine how these services operate and their role within the scholarly publishing ecosystem. Additionally, the authors discuss the potential benefits of these preprint peer review services, placing them in the context of tensions in the broader peer review reform movement. The discussions are organized according to four “schools of thought” in peer review reform, as outlined by Waltman et al. (2023), which provides a useful framework for analyzing the services. In terms of methodology, I believe the authors were thorough in their search for preprint review services, especially given that a systematic search might be impractical.

As I see it, the adoption of preprints and reforming peer review are key components of the move towards improving scholarly communication and open research. This article is a useful step along that journey, taking stock of current progress, with a discussion that illuminates possible paths forward. It is also well-structured and easy for me to follow. I believe it is a valuable contribution to the metaresearch literature.

On a high level, I believe the authors have made a reasonable case that preprint review services might make peer review more transparent and rewarding for all involved. Looking forward, I would like to see metaresearch which gathers further evidence that these benefits are truly being realised.

In this review, I will present some general points which merit further discussion or clarification to aid an uninitiated reader. Additionally, I raise one issue regarding how the authors framed the article and categorised preprint review services and the disciplines they serve. In my view, this problem does not fundamentally undermine the robust search, analyses, and discussion in this paper, but it risks putting off some researchers and constrains how broadly one should derive conclusions.

General comments

Some metaresearchers may be aware of preprints, but not all readers will be familiar with them. I suggest briefly defining what they are, how they work, and which types of research have benefited from preprints, similar to how “preprint review service” is clearly defined in the introduction.

Regarding Waltman et al.’s (2023) “Equity & Inclusion” school of thought, does it specifically aim for “balanced” representation by different groups as stated in this article? There is an important difference between “balanced” versus “equitable” representation, and I would like to see it addressed in this text.

Another analysis I would like to see is whether any of the 23 services reviewed present any evidence that their approach has improved research quality. For instance, the discussion on peer review efficiency and incentives states that there is currently “no hard evidence” that journals want to utilise reviews by Rapid Reviews: COVID-19, and that “not all journals are receptive” to partnerships. Are journals skeptical of whether preprint review services could improve research quality? Or might another dynamic be at work?

The authors cite Nguyen et al. (2015) and Okuzaki et al. (2019), stating that peer review is often “overloaded”. I would like to see a clearer explanation by what “overloaded” means in this context so that a reader does not have to read the two cited papers.

To the best of my understanding, one of the major sticking points in peer review reform is whether to anonymise reviewers and/or authors. Consequently, I appreciate the comprehensive discussion about this issue by the authors.

However, I am only partially convinced by the statement that double anonymity is “essentially incompatible” with preprint review. For example, there may be, as yet not fully explored, ways to publish anonymous preprints with (a) a notice that it has been submitted to, or is undergoing, peer review; and (b) that the authors will be revealed once peer review has been performed (e.g. at least one review has been published). This would avoid the issue of publishing only after review is concluded as is the case for Hypothesis and Peer Community In.

Additionally, the authors describe 13 services which aim to “balance transparency and protect reviewers’ interests”. This is a laudable goal, but I am concerned that framing this as a “balance” implies a binary choice, and that to have more of one, we must lose an equal amount of the other. Thinking only in terms of “balance” prevents creative, win-win solutions. Could a case be made for non-anonymity to be complemented by a reputation system for authors and reviewers? For example, major misconduct (e.g. retribution against a critical review) would be recorded in that system and dissuade bad actors. Something similar can already be seen in the reviewer evaluation system of CrowdPeer, which could plausibly be extended or modified to highlight misconduct.

I also note that misconduct and abusive behaviour already occur even in fully or partially anonymised peer review, and they are not limited to the review or preprints. While I am not aware of existing literature on this topic, academics’ fears seem reasonable. For example, there is at least anecdotal testimonies that a reviewer would deliberately reject a paper to retard the progress of a rival research group, while taking the ideas of that paper and beating their competitors to winning a grant. Or, a junior researcher might refrain from giving a negative review out of fear that the senior researcher whose work they are reviewing might retaliate. These fears, real or not, seem to play a part in the debates about if and how peer review should (or should not) be anonymised. I would like to see an exploration of whether de-anonimisation will improve or worsen this behaviour and in what contexts. And if such studies exist, it would be good to discuss them in this paper.

I found it interesting that almost all preprint review services claim to be complementary to, and not compete with, traditional journal-based peer review. The methodology described in this article cannot definitely explain what is going on, but I suspect there may be a connection between this aversion to compete with traditional journals, and (a) the skepticism of journals towards partnering with preprint review services and (b) the dearth of publisher-run options. I hypothesise that there is a power dynamic at play, where traditional publishers have a vested interest in maintaining the power they hold over scholarly communication, and that preprint review services stress their complementarity (instead of competitiveness) as a survival mechanism. This may be an avenue for further metaresearch.

To understand preprints from which fields of research are actually present on the services categorised under “all disciplines,” I used the Random Integer Set Generator by the Random.org true random number service (https://www.random.org/integer-sets/) to select five services for closer examination: Hypothesis, Peeriodicals, PubPeer, Qeios, and Researchers One. Of those, I observed that Hypothesis is an open source web annotation service that allows commenting on and discussion of any web page on the Internet regardless of whether it is research or preprints. Hypothesis has a sub-project named TRiP (Transparent Review in Preprints), which is their preprint review service in collaboration with Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. It is unclear to me why the authors listed Hypothesis as the service name in Table 1 (and elsewhere) instead of TRiP (or other similar sub-projects). In addition, Hypothesis seems to be framed as a generic web annotation service that is used by some as a preprint review tool. This seems fundamentally different from others who are explicitly set up as preprint review services. This difference seems noteworthy to me.

To aid readers, I also suggest including hyperlinks to the 23 services reviewed in this paper. My comments on disciplinary representation in these services are elaborated further below.

One minor point of curiosity is that several services use an “automated tool” to select reviewers. It would be helpful to describe in this paper exactly what those tools are and how they work, or report situations where services do not explain it.

Lastly, what did the authors mean by “software heritage” in section 6? Are they referring to the organisation named Software Heritage (https://www.softwareheritage.org/) or something else? It is not clear to me how preprint reviews would be deposited in this context.

Respecting disciplinary and epistemic diversity

In the abstract and elsewhere in the article, the authors acknowledge that preprints are gaining momentum “in some fields” as a way to share “scientific” findings. After reading this article, I agree that preprint review services may disrupt publishing for research communities where preprints are in the process of being adopted or already normalised. However, I am less convinced that such disruption is occurring, or could occur, for scholarly publishing more generally.

I am particularly concerned about the casual conflation of “research” and “scientific research” in this article. Right from the start, it mentions how preprints allow sharing “new scientific findings” in the abstract, stating they “make scientific work available rapidly.” It also notes that preprints enable “scientific work to be accessed in a timely way not only by scientists, but also…” This framing implies that all “scholarly communication,” as mentioned in the title, is synonymous with “scientific communication.” Such language excludes researchers who do not typically identify their work as “scientific” research. Another example of this conflation appears in the caption for Figure 1, which outlines potential benefits of preprint review services. Here, “users” are defined as “scientists, policymakers, journalists, and citizens in general.” But what about researchers and scholars who do not see themselves as “scientists”?

Similarly, the authors describe the 23 preprint review services using six categories, one of which is “scientific discipline”. One of those disciplines is called “humanities” in the text, and Table 1 lists it as a discipline for Science Open Reviewed. Do the authors consider “humanities” to be a “scientific” discipline? If so, I think that needs to be justified with very strong evidence.

Additionally, Waltman et al.’s four schools of thought for peer review reform works well with the 23 services analysed. However, at least three out of the four are explicitly described as improving “scientific” research.

Related to the above are how the five “scientific disciplines” are described as the “usual organisation” of the scholarly communication landscape. On what basis should they be considered “usual”? In this formulation, research in literature, history, music, philosophy, and many other subjects would all be lumped together into the “humanities”, which sit at the same hierarchical level as “biomedical and life sciences”, arguably a much more specific discipline. My point is not to argue for a specific organisation of research disciplines, but to highlight a key epistemic assumption underlying the whole paper that comes across as very STEM-centric (science, technology, engineering, and math).

How might this part of the methodology affect the categories presented in Table 1? “Biomedical and life sciences” appear to be overrepresented compared to other “disciplines”. I’d like to see a discussion that examines this pattern, and considers why preprint review services (or maybe even preprints more generally) appear to cover mostly the biomedical or physical sciences.

In addition, there are 12 services described as serving “all disciplines”. I believe this paper can be improved by at least a qualitative assessment of the diversity of disciplines actually represented on those services. Because it is reported that many of these service stress improving the “reproducibility” of research, I suspect most of them serve disciplines which rely on experimental science.

I randomly selected five services for closer examination, as mentioned above. Of those, only Qeios has demonstrated an attempt to at least split “arts and humanities” into subfields. The others either don’t have such categories altogether, or have a clear focus on a few disciplines (e.g. life sciences for Hypothesis/TRiP). In all cases I studied, there is a heavy focus on STEM subjects, especially biology or medical research. However, they are all categorised by the authors as serving “all disciplines”.

If preprint review services originate from, or mostly serve, a narrow range of STEM disciplines (especially experiment-based ones), it would be worth examining why that is the case, and whether preprints and reviews of them could (or could not) serve other disciplines and epistemologies.

It is postulated that preprint review services might “disrupt the scholarly communication landscape in a more radical way”. Considering the problematic language I observed, what about fields of research where peer-reviewed journal publications are not the primary form of communication? Would preprint review services disrupt their scholarly communications?

To be clear, my concern is not just the conflation of language in a linguistic sense but rather inequitable epistemic power. I worry that this conflation would (a) exclude, minoritise, and alienate researchers of diverse disciplines from engaging with metaresearch; and (b) blind us from a clear pattern in these 23 services, that is their strong focus on the life sciences and medical research and a discussion of why that might be the case. Critically, what message are we sending to, for example, a researcher of 18th century French poetry with the language and framing of this paper? I believe the way “disciplines” are currently presented here poses a real risk of devaluing and minoritising certain subject areas and ways of knowing. In its current form, I believe that while this paper is a very valuable contribution, one should not derive from it any conclusions which apply to scholarly publishing as a whole.

The authors have demonstrated inclusive language elsewhere. For example, they have consciously avoided “peer” when discussing preprint review services, clearly contrasting them to “journal-based peer review”. Therefore, I respectfully suggest that similar sensitivity be adopted to avoid treating “scientific research” and “research” as the same thing. A discussion, or reference to existing works, on the disciplinary skew of preprints (and reviews of them) would also add to the intellectual rigour of this already excellent piece.

Overall, I believe this paper is a valuable reflection on the state of preprints and services which review them. Addressing the points I raised, especially the use of more inclusive language with regards to disciplinary diversity, would further elevate its usefulness in the metaresearch discourse. Thank you again for the chance to review.

Signed:

Dr Pen-Yuan Hsing (ORCID ID: 0000-0002-5394-879X)

University of Bristol, United Kingdom

Data availability

I have checked the associated dataset, but still suggest including hyperlinks to the 23 services analysed in the main text of this paper.

Competing interests

No competing interests are declared by me as reviewer.

Henriques, S. O., Rzayeva, N., Pinfield, S., & Waltman, L. (2023, October 13). Preprint review services: Disrupting the scholarly communication landscape?. https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/8c6xm

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Authors:

• Susana Henriques (Research on Research Institute (RoRI) Centre for Science and Technology Studies (CWTS), Leiden University, Leiden, the Netherlands Scientific Research Department, Azerbaijan University of Architecture and Construction, Baku, Azerbaijan) s.oliveira@cwts.leidenuniv.nl
• Narmin Rzayeva (Research on Research Institute (RoRI) Information School, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, UK) n.rzayeva@cwts.leidenuniv.nl
• Stephen Pinfield (Research on Research Institute (RoRI) Centre for Science and Technology Studies (CWTS), Leiden University, Leiden, the Netherlands) s.pinfield@sheffield.ac.uk
• Ludo Waltman waltmanlr@cwts.leidenuniv.nl

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Preprint review services: Disrupting the scholarly communication landscape

Explanation:

The annotated text, which is a URL (https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.aa2d3e17.1733239827.ea4e98df), appears to be a reference link that leads to an error page. This indicates that the link provided in the original text is either broken or incorrect.

Given the user question, which asks for an annotation of a Spanish bill with key provisions and related bills, the broken link is significant for several reasons:

1. Access to Information: The broken link prevents access to the actual content of the Spanish bill that the user is interested in. This is crucial because without access to the original document, it is impossible to analyze or annotate the key provisions or related bills.

2. Reliability of Source: The presence of a broken link raises questions about the reliability and accuracy of the source. It suggests that the provided reference might not have been verified, which is important in legal and academic contexts where accuracy is paramount.

3. User Guidance: Highlighting the broken link is essential to inform the user that the provided reference is not functional. This helps in setting the correct expectations and guides the user to seek an alternative source or correct the link if possible.

4. Implications for Research: For anyone conducting research or needing detailed information about the bill, the broken link is a significant hindrance. It implies that further steps need to be taken to locate the correct document, such as contacting the source, searching for the document through official legislative databases, or using other references that might be available.

In summary, the annotated text underscores the importance of having a functional and accurate reference link when dealing with legal documents. It highlights the need for the user to obtain the correct URL to access the Spanish bill in question, which is crucial for providing a comprehensive annotation of its key provisions and related bills.

Explanation:

The annotated text "Reference #18.aa2d3e17.1733239827.ea4e98df" appears to be a reference code or link to an external resource, likely pertaining to the Spanish bill mentioned in the user question. The significance of this annotation lies in its function as a placeholder or identifier for additional information that is not directly included in the provided text. This reference could potentially lead to a detailed document, database, or error page that contains the key provisions of the bill or outlines its relationship to other bills.

The implications of this annotation are multifaceted:

1. Identification and Retrieval: The reference code is crucial for locating the specific document or webpage that contains the relevant details about the Spanish bill. This ensures that users can access comprehensive information that may not be immediately visible in the main text.

2. Contextual Linking: By referencing an external source, the annotation suggests that the full understanding of the bill's provisions and related legislation requires consulting the linked material. This highlights the interconnected nature of legal documents and the importance of cross-referencing for thorough legal analysis.

3. Potential Error: The URL provided in the reference indicates an "errors.edgesuite.net" domain, which might imply that the link is broken or leads to an error page. This could signify issues with accessing the necessary information, suggesting the need for alternative methods to obtain the details about the bill.

In summary, the annotated text serves as a critical reference point for accessing detailed information regarding the Spanish bill. Its significance is rooted in its role as a connector to external resources, which are essential for a full understanding of the bill's key provisions and its relationship to other legislation.

Hey, we can annotate any PDF in the world too.

I don't really like this much sugar.

THIS IS WHERE THE HEAT COMES FROM

Hi Misha. Why pay taxes?

Hi Misha. Wow, books too.

Now we're annotating in a youtube video.

eLife Assessment

This important study provides empirical evidence of the effects of genetic diversity and species diversity on ecosystem functions across multi-trophic levels in an aquatic ecosystem. The support for these findings is solid, but a more nuanced interpretation of the results could strengthen the conclusions. The work will be of interest to ecologists working on multi-trophic relationships and biodiversity.

Reviewer #1 (Public review):

Summary:

This work used a comprehensive dataset to compare the effects of species diversity and genetic diversity within each trophic level and across three trophic levels. The results stated that species diversity had negative effects on ecosystem functions, while genetic diversity had positive effects. Additionally, these effects were observed only within each trophic level and not across the three trophic levels studied. Although the effects of biodiversity, especially genetic diversity across multi-trophic levels, have been shown to be important, there are still very few empirical studies on this topic due to the complex relationships and difficulty in obtaining data. This study collected an excellent dataset to address this question, enhancing our understanding of genetic diversity effects in aquatic ecosystems.

Strengths:

The study collected an extensive dataset that includes species diversity of primary producers (riparian trees), primary consumers (macroinvertebrate shredders), and secondary consumers (fish). It also includes genetic diversity of the dominant species in each trophic level, biomass production, decomposition rates, and environmental data. The writing is logical and easy to follow.

Weaknesses:

The two main conclusions-(1) species diversity had negative effects on ecosystem functions, while genetic diversity had positive effects, and (2) these effects were observed only within each trophic level, not across the three levels-are overly generalized. Analysis of the raw data shows that species and genetic diversity have different effects depending on the ecosystem function. For example, neither affected invertebrate biomass, but species diversity positively influenced fish biomass, while genetic diversity had no effect. Furthermore, Table S2 reveals that only four effect sizes were significant (P < 0.05): one positive genetic effect, one negative genetic effect, and two negative species effects, with two effects within a trophic level and two across trophic levels. Additionally, using a P < 0.2 threshold to omit lines in the SEMs is uncommon and was not adequately justified. A more cautious interpretation of the results, with acknowledgment of the variability observed in the raw data, would strengthen the manuscript.

Author response:

The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

Public Reviews:

Reviewer #1 (Public review):

Summary:

This work used a comprehensive dataset to compare the effects of species diversity and genetic diversity within each trophic level and across three trophic levels. The results showed that species diversity had negative effects on ecosystem functions, while genetic diversity had positive effects. These effects were observed only within each trophic level and not across the three trophic levels studied. Although the effects of biodiversity, especially genetic diversity across multi-trophic levels, have been shown to be important, there are still very few empirical studies on this topic due to the complex relationships and difficulty in obtaining data. This study collected an excellent dataset to address this question, enhancing our understanding of genetic diversity effects in aquatic ecosystems.

Strengths:

The study collected an extensive dataset that includes species diversity of primary producers (riparian trees), primary consumers (macroinvertebrate shredders), and secondary consumers (fish). It also includes the genetic diversity of the dominant species at each trophic level, biomass production, decomposition rates, and environmental data.

The conclusions of this paper are mostly well supported by the data and the writing is logical and easy to follow.

Weaknesses:

(1) While the dataset is impressive, the authors conducted analyses more akin to a "meta-analysis," leaving out important basic information about the raw data in the manuscript. Given the complexity of the relationships between different trophic levels and ecosystem functions, it would be beneficial for the authors to show the results of each SEM (structural equation model).

We understand the point raised by the reviewer. We now provide individual SEMs (Figure 3), although we limit causal relationships to those for which the p-value was below 0.2 for the sake of graphical clarity. We also provide the percentage of explained variance for each ecosystem function. We detail the graph in the Results section (see l. 317-328) and discuss them (see l. 387-398). Note that we do not detail each function separately as this would (in our opinion) result in a long descriptive paragraph from which it might be difficult to get some key information. Rather, we summarize the percentage of explained variance for each function and discuss the strength of environmental vs biodiversity effects for some examples. In the Discussion, we explain why environmental effects (on functions and biodiversity) are relatively weak. We mainly attribute this to the sampling scheme that follows an East-West gradient (weak altitudinal range) rather than an upstream-downstream gradient as it is traditionally done in rivers. The reasoning behind this sampling scheme is explained in our companion paper (Fargeot et al. Oikos 2023) to which we now refer more explicitly in the MS. Briefly, using an upstream-downstream gradient would have certainly push up the effects of the environment, but this would have made extremely complex the inference of biodiversity effects due to strong collinearity among environmental and biodiversity parameters.

(2) The main results presented in the manuscript are derived from a "metadata" analysis of effect sizes. However, the methods used to obtain these effect sizes are not sufficiently clarified. By analyzing the effect sizes of species diversity and genetic diversity on these ecosystem functions, the results showed that species diversity had negative effects, while genetic diversity had positive effects on ecosystem functions. The negative effects of species diversity contradict many studies conducted in biodiversity experiments. The authors argue that their study is more relevant because it is based on a natural system, which is closer to reality, but they also acknowledge that natural systems make it harder to detect underlying mechanisms. Providing more results based on the raw data and offering more explanations of the possible mechanisms in the introduction and discussion might help readers understand why and in what context species diversity could have negative effects.

(We now provide more details. However, we are unfortunately not sure that this helped reaching some stronger explanation regarding underlying mechanisms. To be frank, we did not succeed in improving mechanistic inferences based on the outputs of the SEM models. We explored visually some additional relationships (e.g. relationships between the biomass of the focal species and that of other species in the assemblage) that we now discuss a bit more, but again, this did not really help in better understanding processes. We realize this is a limitation of our study and that this can be frustrating for readers. Nonetheless, as said in the Discussion, field-based study must be taken for what they are; observational studies forming the basis for future mechanistic studies. Although we failed to explain mechanisms, we still think that we provide important field-base evidence for the importance of biodiversity (as a whole) for ecosystem functions.

3) Environmental variation was included in the analyses to test if the environment would modulate the effects of biodiversity on ecosystem functions. However, the main results and conclusions did not sufficiently address this aspect.

This is now addressed, see our response to your first comment. We now explain (result section) and discuss environmental effects. As explained in the MS, environmental effects are similar in strength to those of biodiversity and are not that high, which is partly explained by the sampling scheme (see Fargeot et al. 2023). This is a choice we’ve made at the onset of the experiment, as we wanted to focus on biodiversity effects and avoid strong collinearity as it is generally the case in rivers (which impedes any proper and strong statistical inferences).

Reviewer #2 (Public review):

Summary:

Fargeot et al. investigated the relative importance of genetic and species diversity on ecosystem function and examined whether this relationship varies within or between trophic-level responses. To do so, they conducted a well-designed field survey measuring species diversity at 3 trophic levels (primary producers [trees], primary consumers [macroinvertebrate shredders], and secondary consumers [fishes]), genetic diversity in a dominant species within each of these 3 trophic levels and 7 ecosystem functions across 52 riverine sites in southern France. They show that the effect of genetic and species diversity on ecosystem functions are similar in magnitude, but when examining within-trophic level responses, operate in different directions: genetic diversity having a positive effect and species diversity a negative one. This data adds to growing evidence from manipulated experiments that both species and genetic diversity can impact ecosystem function and builds upon this by showing these effects can be observed in nature.

Strengths:

The study design has resulted in a robust dataset to ask questions about the relative importance of genetic and species diversity of ecosystem function across and within trophic levels.

Overall, their data supports their conclusions - at least within the system that they are studying - but as mentioned below, it is unclear from this study how general these conclusions would be.

Weaknesses:

(4) While a robust dataset, the authors only show the data output from the SEM (i.e., effect size for each individual diversity type per trophic level (6) on each ecosystem function (7)), instead of showing much of the individual data. Although the summary SEM results are interesting and informative, I find that a weakness of this approach is that it is unclear how environmental factors (which were included but not discussed in the results) nor levels of diversity were correlated across sites. As species and genetic diversity are often correlated but also can have reciprocal feedbacks on each other (e.g., Vellend 2005), there may be constraints that underpin why the authors observed positive effects of one type of diversity (genetic) when negative effects of the other (species). It may have also been informative to run SEM with links between levels of diversity. By focusing only on the summary of SEM data, the authors may be reducing the strength of their field dataset and ability to draw inferences from multiple questions and understand specific study-system responses.

We have addressed this remark and we ask the reviewers and the readers to refer to our response to comment 1 from reviewer 1. Regarding co-variation among biodiversity estimates (SGDCs according to Vellend’s framework), we have addressed these issues in a companion paper that we now cite and expand further in the MS (Fargeot et al. Oikos, 2023). Given the size of the dataset and its complexity (and associated analyses), we have decided to focus on patterns of species and genetic biodiversity in a first paper (Oikos paper) and then on the link between biodiversity and functions (this paper). As it can be read in the Oikos’s paper, there are no co-variation in term of biodiversity estimates; species diversity is not correlated to genetic diversity, and within facet, there are not co-variation among species. In addition, environmental predictors are highly estimate-specific (i.e. environmental predictors sustaining species and genetic estimates are idiosyncratic). As a result (see the new Figure 3), environmental effects are relatively weak (the same intensity that those of biodiversity) and collinearity among parameters is relatively weak. The second point is important, as this permit to better infer parameters from models, and this allows to discuss direct relationships (as observed in Figure 3, indirect environmental effects are relatively rare). We provide in the Discussion a bit more explanation about the absence of co-variation among biodiversity estimates (see l. 433-440).

(5) My understanding of SEM is it gives outputs of the strength/significance of each pathway/relationship and if so, it isn't clear why this wasn't used and instead, confidence intervals of Z scores to determine which individual BEFs were significant. In addition, an inclusion of the 7 SEM pathway outputs would have been useful to include in an appendix.

We now provide p-values (Table S2) and the seven models (Figure 3).

(6) I don't fully agree with the authors calling this a meta-analysis as it is this a single study of multiple sites within a single region and a specific time point, and not a collection of multiple studies or ecosystems conducted by multiple authors. Moreso, the authors are using meta-analysis summary metrics to evaluate their data. The authors tend to focus on these patterns as general trends, but as the data is all from this riverine system this study could have benefited from focusing on what was going on in this system to underpin these patterns. I'd argue more data is needed to know whether across sites and ecosystems, species diversity and genetic diversity have opposite effects on ecosystem function within trophic levels.

We agree. “Meta-regression” would perhaps be more adequate than “meta-analyses”. We changed the formulation.

Reviewer #3 (Public review):

The manuscript by Fargeot and colleagues assesses the relative effects of species and genetic diversity on ecosystem functioning. This study is very well written and examines the interesting question of whether within-species or among-species diversity correlates with ecosystem functioning, and whether these effects are consistent across trophic levels. The main findings are that genetic diversity appears to have a stronger positive effect on function than species diversity (which appears negative). These results are interesting and have value.

However, I do have some concerns that could influence the interpretation.

(7) Scale: the different measures of diversity and function for the different trophic levels are measured over very different spatial scales, for example, trees along 200 m transects and 15 cm traps. It is not clear whether trees 200 m away are having an effect on small-scale function.

Trees identification and invertebrate (and fish) sampling are done on the same scale. Trees are spread along the river so that their leaves fall directly in the river. Traps have been installed all along the same transect in various micro-habitats. Diversity have been measured at the exact same scale for all organisms. We have modified the MS to make this clear.

(8) Size of diversity gradients: More information is needed on the actual diversity gradients. One of the issues with surveys of natural systems is that they are of species that have already gone through selection filters from a regional pool, and theoretically, if the environments are similar, you should get similar sets of species, without monocultures. So, if the species diversity gradients range from say, 6 to 8 species, but genetic diversity gradients span an order of magnitude more, you can explain much more variance with genetic diversity. Related to this, species diversity effects on function are often asymptotic at high diversity and so if you are only sampling at the high diversity range, we should expect a strong effect.

Fish species number varies from 1 to 11, invertebrate family number varies from 15 to 42 and the tree species number varies from 7 to 20 (see Fargeot et al. 2023 for details). We have added this information in the M&M. The gradients are hence relatively large and do not cover a restricted set of values. There is a variance in species number among sites, even if sites are collected along a relatively weak altitudinal gradient. This is obviously complex to compare to SNP (genomic) diversity. Genetic and species effects are similar in effect sizes (percentage of explained variance), so it does not seem we have biased one of the two gradients of biodiversity.

(9) Ecosystem functions: The functions are largely biomass estimates (expect decomposition), and I fail to see how the biomass of a single species can be construed as an ecosystem function. Aren't you just estimating a selection effect in this case?

The biomass estimated for a certain area represents an estimate of productivity, whatever the number of species being considered. Obviously, productivity of a species can be due to environmental constraints; the biomass is expected to be lower at the niche margin (selection effect). But if these environmental effects are taken into account (which is the case in the SEMs), then the residual variation can be explained by biodiversity effects. We provide an explanation (l. 217-219).

(10) Note that the article claims to be one of the only studies to look at function across trophic levels, but there are several others out there, for example:

Thanks, we now cite some of these studies (Li et al 2020, Moi et al. 2021, Seibold et al. 2018).

Recommendations for the authors:

Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):

Introduction:

The introduction of the manuscript is generally well-structured, and the scientific questions are clearly presented. However, in each paragraph where specific aspects are introduced, the authors do not focus sufficiently on the given points. The current introduction discusses the weaknesses of previous studies extensively but lacks detailed explanations of mechanisms and a clear anticipation of this study's contributions.

For example:

L72-77: The authors mention that "genetic diversity may functionally compensate for a species loss," but this point is not highly relevant to the main analyses of this study, which focus on comparing the relative effects of species diversity and genetic diversity.

Yes true, we understand the point made by the reviewers. We deleted this part of the sentence.

L87-95: As previously noted, "whether environmental variation decreases or enhances the relative influence of genetic and species diversity on ecosystem functions" was not addressed in this study. Additionally, the last sentence seems unnecessary here, as it does not relate to "environmental variation." The phrase "generate insightful knowledge for future mechanistic models" is vague. It would be helpful to specify what kind of knowledge and what types of future mechanistic models are being referred to.

We modified these two sentences. We now posit the prediction that what has been observed under controlled conditions (that genetic and species have effects of similar magnitude) might not be the norm under fluctuating environments (because it has been shown that environmental variation modulates the strength of interspecific BEFS and create huge variance).

L96-116: The use of "for instance" three times in this paragraph makes the structure seem scattered, as only examples are provided. Improving the transition words can help the text focus better on the main point.

We have modified some parts of this section to better reflect predictions

L115-116: Again, it would be beneficial to specify what kind of insightful information can be provided.

We have modified this sentence by making more explicit some of the information that may be gained.

L117-134: Stating clear expectations can help the introduction focus on the mechanisms and assist readers in following the results.

We now provide some predictions. We were reluctant to make predictions in the first version of the MS as we have the feeling that predictions can go on very different direction depending on how we set the scene. We therefore stick to predictions that we think are the most logical (the simplest ones). This illustrates the lack of theoretical papers on these issues.

Methods:

L287-293: The method for estimating the standard effect size is unclear. I assume it was derived from the SEM models? This needs further clarification.

Yes, it is derived from the standardized estimate from each pSEM. This is now explained in the MS.

Results:

As mentioned in the public review, it is very important to show the results of analyzing raw data.

Done, see Figure 3 and Results section.

Table 1: The font and format of the PCA table are different from other tables and appear vague, resembling a picture rather than a table.

Changed.

Table 2 (and supplementary table): "D.f." is not explained in the table legend. Is 1 the numerator df and 30 the denominator df? Is the denominator the residual? Additionally, the table legend mentions "magnitude and direction." ANOVA only tests if the biodiversity effects are significantly different between species or genetic diversity, but not the magnitude. For example, -0.5 and 0.5 are very different, but their effect magnitudes are the same.

This is a mistake; sorry the format of the Table was from a previous version of the MS in which we used linear models rather that linear mixed models (both lead to the same results). The ANOVA used to test the significance of fixed terms in linear mixed model are based on Wald chi-sqare tests, and it should have been read “Chi-value” rather than “F-value” in both tables and the only degree of freedom in this test is the one at the numerator. This has been changed. We have changed the caption of the Table (“ANOVA table for the linear mixed model testing whether the relationships between biodiversity and ecosystem functions measured in a riverine trophic chain differ between the biodiversity facets (species or genetic diversity) and the types of BEF (within- or between-trophic levels)”)

Minor:

There should always be a space between a number and a unit. In the manuscript, spaces are inconsistently used between numbers and units.

Corrected

Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

(1) In the introduction, the authors could focus more and build out what they predicted/hypothesized as well as what has been found in the manipulated experiments that examined the role of species and genetic diversity. That would enhance the background information for a more general audience, and highlight expected results and why.

We modified the Introduction according to comments made by reviewer 1 and clarified the predictions as best as we can.

(2) Similarly, the discussion is fairly big picture, but this dataset focused exclusively on this 3-trophic interaction in a riverine system. It could be beneficial to dig into the ecology to find out why the opposite effects of species and genetic diversity are seen within trophic levels in this system.

We have added some explanations based on the specific pSEM (see our responses to the public reviews for details). But as said in the responses to the public reviews, even with mode detailed models, it is hard to tease apart mechanisms. One important point is that genetic and species diversity do not correlate one to each other (they do not co-vary over space), which means the effect of one facet is independent from the other. However, apart from that, we can’t really tell more without more mechanistic approaches. We understand this is frustrating, but this is the nature of field-based data. This does not mean they are useless. On the contrary, they confirm and expand patterns found under controlled conditions (which for ecologists is quite important as nature is our playground), but they are limited in inferences of mechanisms.

(3) It would also be informative if the authors specified what positive and negative Z scores mean. It seems counterintuitive in Figure 3. For example, in the upper left, it's denoted as a larger intraspecific effect - which I'd assume is higher genetic (within species) diversity - but is this not where species diversity effects are higher? In theory this figure could be similar to Figure 1 from Des Roches et al. 2018 - where showing the 1:1 line of where species and genetic diversity effects are similar and then how some are more impacted by SD or GD as that links to the overall question, right?

For example: Figure 3 makes it seem that GD effects are stronger (more positive) for within trophic responses (which is reflected in the text), but in that quadrant, it states that the interspecific effect is larger?

yes, you’re true Figure 3 (now Figure 4) is not ideal. We added an explicit explanation for interpreting Zr in the main text. In addition, we modified the text in the quadrat as this was not correct. Note that it cannot be directly be compared to that of DesRoches et al. In DesRoches et al., there is a single effect size (ES) per situation (which is roughly expressed as “ES = effect of species - effect of genotypes”). Here, there are two ES per situation, one for the species effect, the other for the genetic effect, which makes the biplot more complex (as species and genetic can be similar in magnitude, but opposite in direction, e.g., 0.5 and -0.5). We may have done as DesRoches et al. (“ES = effect of species - effect of genotypes”), but as we don’t have absolute ES (as in DesRoches) the resulting signs of the ES are non sensical…Not easy for us to find a clever solution (or said differently, we were not clever enough to find an easy solution).  Nonetheless, we tried another visualization by including “sub-quadrats” into the four main quadrats. We hope this will be clearer

(4) It's unclear why authors included both a simplified linear mixed model with diversity type and biodiversity facet as fixed factors, and then a second linear model that included trophic level (with those other 2 factors and interactions), but only showed results of trophic level from that more complex model. It is unclear why they include two models when the more complex one would have evaluated all aspects of their research question and shown the same patterns.

You’re true, the more complex model evaluates both aspects. Nonetheless, as the hypotheses were strictly separated, we thought it is simpler to associate one model to one hypothesis. We agree that this duplicates information, but we would like to keep the two models to make the text more gradual.

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Manuscript number: RC-2024-02545

Corresponding author(s): Woo Jae, Kim

1. General Statements

We sincerely appreciate the positive and constructive feedback provided by all three reviewers. Their insightful comments have been invaluable in guiding our revisions. In response, we have made every effort to address their suggestions through additional experiments and by restructuring our manuscript to improve clarity and coherence.

In this revision, we have streamlined the presentation of our data to enhance the narrative flow, ensuring that it is more accessible to a general readership. We believe that these changes not only strengthen our manuscript but also align with the reviewers' recommendations for improvement.

We are hopeful that the revisions we have implemented meet the expectations of the reviewers and contribute to a clearer understanding of our findings. Thank you once again for your thoughtful critiques, which have greatly aided us in refining our work.

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2. Point-by-point description of the revisions

Reviewer #1

General comment: This manuscript by Song et al. investigates the molecular mechanisms underlying changes in mating duration in Drosophila induced by previous experience. As they have shown previously, they find that male flies reared in isolation have shorter mating duration than those reared in groups, and also that male flies with previous mating experience have shorter mating duration than sexually naïve males. They have conducted a myriad of experiments to demonstrate that the neuropeptide SIFa is required for these changes in mating duration. They have further provided evidence that SIFa-expressing neurons undergo changes in synaptic connectivity and neuronal firing as a result of previous mating experience. Finally, they argue that SIFa neurons form reciprocal connections with sNPF-expressing neurons, and that communication within the SIFa-sNPF circuit is required for experience-dependent changes in mating duration. These results are used to assert that SIFa neurons track the internal state of the flies to modulate behavioral choice.

   __Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer's thoughtful comments and commendations regarding our manuscript. The recognition of our investigation into the molecular mechanisms influencing mating duration in *Drosophila* is greatly valued. In particular, we are grateful for the reviewer's positive remarks about our comprehensive experimental approach to demonstrate the role of the neuropeptide SIFa in these changes. The evidence we provided indicating that SIFa-expressing neurons undergo alterations in synaptic connectivity and neuronal firing due to previous social experiences is crucial for elucidating the underlying neural circuitry involved in experience-dependent behaviors. Finally, we are thankful for the recognition of our assertion that SIFa neurons form reciprocal connections with sNPF-expressing neurons, emphasizing the importance of this circuit in modulating behavioral choices based on internal states. To provide stronger evidence for the interactions between SIFa and sNPF, we conducted detailed GCaMP experiments, which revealed intriguing neural connections between these two neuropeptides. We have included this new data in our main figure. We believe these insights contribute significantly to the existing literature on neuropeptidergic signaling and its implications for understanding complex behaviors in *Drosophila*. We look forward to addressing any further comments and enhancing our manuscript based on your invaluable feedback. Thank you once again for your constructive critique and support.

Major concerns:

Comment 1. The authors are to be commended for the sheer quantity of data they have generated, but I was often overwhelmed by the figures, which try to pack too much into the space provided. As a result, it is often unclear what components belong to each panel. Providing more space between each panel would really help.

   __Answer:__ We sincerely appreciate the reviewer’s commendation regarding the extensive data we have generated in our study. It is gratifying to know that our efforts to provide a comprehensive analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying changes in mating duration have been recognized. We understand the concern regarding the density of information presented in our figures. We aimed to convey a wealth of data to support our findings, but we acknowledge that this may have led to some confusion regarding the organization and clarity of the panels. We are grateful for your constructive feedback on this matter. In response, we have significantly reduced the density of the main figures and decreased the size of the graphs to improve clarity. We have also increased the spacing between panels to ensure that each component is more easily distinguishable. Further details will be provided in our responses to each comment below.

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Comment 2. This is a rare instance where I would recommend paring down the paper to focus on the more novel, clear and relevant results. For example, all of Figure 2 shows the projection pattern of SIFa+ neuron dendrites and axons, which have been reported by multiple previous papers. Figure 7G and J show trans-tango data and SIFaR-GAL4 expression patterns, which were previously reported by Dreyer et al., 2019. These parts could be removed to supplemental figures. Figure 5 details experiments that knock down expression of different neurotransmitter receptors within the SIFa-expressing cells. The results here are less definitive than the SIFa knockdown results, and the SCope data supporting the idea that these receptors are expressed in SIFa-expressing neurons is equivocal. I would recommend removing these data (perhaps they could serve as the basis for another manuscript) or focusing solely on the CCHa1R results, which is the only manipulation that affects both LMD and SMD.

   __Answer:__ We sincerely appreciate the reviewer’s positive feedback regarding the extensive data generated in our study. We also fully agree with the reviewer that the sheer volume of our data made it challenging to support our hypothesis that SIFa neurons serve as a hub for integrating multiple neuropeptide inputs and orchestrating various behaviors related to energy balance, as highlighted in our new Figure 5N.

   In response to the reviewer's suggestions, we have streamlined our manuscript by removing excessive and redundant data to enhance clarity and simplicity. First, we have moved Figure 2 to the supplementary materials as the reviewer noted that the branching patterns of SIFa neurons are well-documented in previous literature. Second, we relocated the trans-tango data from Figure 7G to Figure S7, since this information is also well-established. We retained this data in the supplementary section to illustrate the connection of SIFa to our recent findings regarding SIFaR24F06 neuron connections. Additionally, we have completely removed the neuropeptide receptor input screening data previously included in Figure 5, as well as Figure S8, which presented fly SCope tSNE data. As suggested by the reviewer, we plan to utilize these data for a future paper focused on investigating the underlying mechanisms of SIFa inputs that modulate SIFa activity. Thanks to the reviewer’s constructive suggestions, we believe our manuscript is now more convincing and clearer for readers.

Comment 3. Finally, I would like the authors to spend more time explaining how they think the results tie together. For example, how do the authors think the changes in branching and activity in SIFa-expressing neurons tie to the change in mating duration provoked by previous experience? It would benefit the manuscript to simplify and clarify the message about what the authors think is happening at the mechanistic level. The various schematics (eg. Fig 7N) describe the results but the different parts feel like separate findings rather than a single narrative. (MECHANISMS diagram and explanation)

   __Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive comments, which have significantly improved our manuscript and conclusions for our readers. As the reviewer will see, we have made substantial revisions in line with the suggestions provided. We dedicated additional time to clarify the electrical activities and synaptic plasticity of SIFa neurons in relation to internal states that orchestrate various behaviors. We have summarized our hypothesis regarding the mechanistic role of SIFa neurons in Figure 5N. In brief, we propose that SIFa neurons function as a hub that receives diverse neuropeptidergic signals, which subsequently alters their electrical activity and synaptic branching. This, in turn, leads to different internal states. The internal states of SIFa neurons can then be interpreted by SIFaR-expressing cells, which help orchestrate various behaviors and physiological responses. We aim to address these aspects further in another manuscript that has been co-submitted alongside this one [1].

Comment 4. Most of the experiments lack traditional controls. For example, in experiments in Fig 1C-K, one would typically include genetic controls that contain either the GAL4 or UAS elements alone. The authors should explain their decision to omit these control experiments and provide an argument for why they are not necessary to correctly interpret the data. In this vein, the authors have stated in the methods that stocks were outcrossed at least 3x to Canton-S background, but 3 outcrosses is insufficient to fully control for genetic background.

   __Answer:__ We sincerely thank the reviewer for insightful comments regarding the absence of traditional genetic controls in our study of LMD and SMD behaviors. We acknowledge the importance of such controls and wish to clarify our rationale for not including them in the current investigation. The primary reason for not incorporating all genetic control lines is that we have previously assessed the LMD and SMD behaviors of GAL4/+ and UAS/+ strains in our earlier studies. Our past experiences have consistently shown that 100% of the genetic control flies for both GAL4 and UAS exhibit normal LMD and SMD behaviors. Given these findings, we deemed the inclusion of additional genetic controls to be non-essential for the present study, particularly in the context of extensive screening efforts. We understand the value of providing a clear rationale for our methodology choices. To this end, we have added a detailed explanation in the "MATERIALS AND METHODS" section and the figure legends of Figure 1. This clarification aims to assist readers in understanding our decision to omit traditional controls, as outlined below.

"Mating Duration Assays for Successful Copulation

The mating duration assay in this study has been reported[33,73,93]. To enhance the efficiency of the mating duration assay, we utilized the Df (1)Exel6234 (DF here after) genetic modified fly line in this study, which harbors a deletion of a specific genomic region that includes the sex peptide receptor (SPR)[94,95]. Previous studies have demonstrated that virgin females of this line exhibit increased receptivity to males[95]. We conducted a comparative analysis between the virgin females of this line and the CS virgin females and found that both groups induced SMD. Consequently, we have elected to employ virgin females from this modified line in all subsequent studies. For naïve males, 40 males from the same strain were placed into a vial with food for 5 days. For single reared males, males of the same strain were collected individually and placed into vials with food for 5 days. For experienced males, 40 males from the same strain were placed into a vial with food for 4 days then 80 DF virgin females were introduced into vials for last 1 day before assay. 40 DF virgin females were collected from bottles and placed into a vial for 5 days. These females provide both sexually experienced partners and mating partners for mating duration assays. At the fifth day after eclosion, males of the appropriate strain and DF virgin females were mildly anaesthetized by CO2. After placing a single female in to the mating chamber, we inserted a transparent film then placed a single male to the other side of the film in each chamber. After allowing for 1 h of recovery in the mating chamber in 25℃ incubators, we removed the transparent film and recorded the mating activities. Only those males that succeeded to mate within 1 h were included for analyses. Initiation and completion of copulation were recorded with an accuracy of 10 sec, and total mating duration was calculated for each couple. All assays were performed from noon to 4pm. Genetic controls with GAL4/+ or UAS/+ lines were omitted from supplementary figures, as prior data confirm their consistent exhibition of normal LMD and SMD behaviors [33,73,93,96,97]. Hence, genetic controls for LMD and SMD behaviors were incorporated exclusively when assessing novel fly strains that had not previously been examined. In essence, internal controls were predominantly employed in the experiments, as LMD and SMD behaviors exhibit enhanced statistical significance when internally controlled. Within the LMD assay, both group and single conditions function reciprocally as internal controls. A significant distinction between the naïve and single conditions implies that the experimental manipulation does not affect LMD. Conversely, the lack of a significant discrepancy suggests that the manipulation does influence LMD. In the context of SMD experiments, the naïve condition (equivalent to the group condition in the LMD assay) and sexually experienced males act as mutual internal controls for one another. A statistically significant divergence between naïve and experienced males indicates that the experimental procedure does not alter SMD. Conversely, the absence of a statistically significant difference suggests that the manipulation does impact SMD. Hence, we incorporated supplementary genetic control experiments solely if they deemed indispensable for testing. All assays were performed from noon to 4 PM. We conducted blinded studies for every test[98,99] .

   While we have previously addressed this type of reviewer feedback in our published manuscript [2–7], we appreciate the reviewer’s suggestion to include traditional genetic control experiments. In response, we conducted all feasible combinations of genetic control experiments for LMD/SMD during the revision period. The results are presented in the supplementary figures and are described in the main text.

   We appreciate the reviewer's inquiry regarding the genetic background of our experimental lines. In response to the comments, we would like to clarify the following. All of our GAL4, UAS, or RNAi lines, which were utilized as the virgin female stock for outcrosses, have been backcrossed to the Canton-S (CS) genetic background for over ten generations. The majority of these lines, particularly those employed in LMD assays, have been maintained in a CS backcrossed status for several years, ensuring a consistent genetic background across multiple generations. Our experience has indicated that the genetic background, particularly that of the X chromosome inherited from the female parent, plays a pivotal role in the expression of certain behavioral traits. Therefore, we have consistently employed these fully outcrossed females as virgins for conducting experiments related to LMD and SMD behaviors. It is noteworthy that, in contrast to the significance of genetic background for LMD behaviors, we have previously established in our work [6] that the genetic background does not significantly influence SMD behaviors. This distinction is important for the interpretation of our findings. To provide a comprehensive understanding of our experimental design, we have detailed the genetic background considerations in the __"Materials and Methods"__ section, specifically in the subsection __"Fly Stocks and Husbandry"__ as outlined below.

"To reduce the variation from genetic background, all flies were backcrossed for at least 3 generations to CS strain. For the generation of outcrosses, all GAL4, UAS, and RNAi lines employed as the virgin female stock were backcrossed to the CS genetic background for a minimum of ten generations. Notably, the majority of these lines, which were utilized for LMD assays, have been maintained in a CS backcrossed state for long-term generations subsequent to the initial outcrossing process, exceeding ten backcrosses. Based on our experimental observations, the genetic background of primary significance is that of the X chromosome inherited from the female parent. Consequently, we consistently utilized these fully outcrossed females as virgins for the execution of experiments pertaining to LMD and SMD behaviors. Contrary to the influence on LMD behaviors, we have previously demonstrated that the genetic background exerts negligible influence on SMD behaviors, as reported in our prior publication [6]. All mutants and transgenic lines used here have been described previously."

Comment 5. Throughout the manuscript, the authors appear to use a single control condition (sexually naïve flies raised in groups) to compare to both males raised singly and males with previous sexual experience. These control conditions are duplicated in two separate graphs, one for long mating duration and one for short mating duration, but they are given different names (group vs naïve) depending on the graph. If these are actually the same flies, then this should be made clear, and they should be given a consistent name across the different "experiments".

   __Answer:__ We are grateful to the reviewer for highlighting the potential for confusion among readers regarding the visualization methods used in our figures. In response to this valuable feedback, we have now included a more detailed explanation of the graph visualization techniques in the legends of Figure 1, as detailed below. This additional information should enhance the clarity and understanding of the figure for all readers.

In the mating duration (MD) assays, light grey data points denote males that were group-reared (or sexually naïve), whereas blue (or pink) data points signify males that were singly reared (or sexually experienced). The dot plots represent the MD of each male fly. The mean value and standard error are labeled within the dot plot (black lines). Asterisks represent significant differences, as revealed by the unpaired Student’s t test, and ns represents non-significant differences M.D represent mating duration. DBMs represent the 'difference between means' for the evaluation of estimation statistics (See MATERIALS AND METHODS). Asterisks represent significant differences, as revealed by the Student’s t test (* p

Comment 6. The authors use SCope data to provide evidence for co-expression of SIFa and other neurotransmitters or neuropeptide receptors. The graphs they show are hard to read and it is not clear to what extent the gene expression is actually overlapping. It would be more definitive to show graphs that indicate which percentage of SIFa-expressing cells co-express other neurotransmitter components, and what the actual level of expression of the genes is. The authors should also provide more information on how they identified the SIFa+ cells in the fly atlas dataset. These are important pieces of information to be able to interpret the effects of manipulation of these other neurotransmitter systems within SIFa-expressing cells on mating duration.

__ Answer: We appreciate the reviewer for pointing out the potential for confusion among readers regarding the visualization methods used in our figures, particularly concerning the tSNE plots of scRNA-seq data. As mentioned in our previous response, we have removed most of the tSNE plots related to co-expression data with SIFa and NPRs, which we believe will reduce any confusion for readers interpreting these plots. However, we have retained a few tSNE plots, specifically Figures 2N-O, to confirm the potential co-expression of the ple and Vglut genes in SIFa cells. We understand the reviewer’s concerns about the clarity of the presented data and the necessity for more detailed information regarding the extent of co-expression and the identification of SIFa-expressing cells. To address these concerns, we have included a comprehensive description of our methods in the __MATERIALS AND METHODS section below.

"Single-nucleus RNA-sequencing analyses

The snRNAseq dataset analyzed in this paper is published in [112] and available at the Nextflow pipelines (VSN, https://github.com/vib-singlecell-nf), the availability of raw and processed datasets for users to explore, and the development of a crowd-annotation platform with voting, comments, and references through SCope (https://flycellatlas.org/scope), linked to an online analysis platform in ASAP (https://asap.epfl.ch/fca). For the generation of the tSNE plots, we utilized the Fly SCope website (https://scope.aertslab.org/#/FlyCellAtlas/*/welcome). Within the session interface, we selected the appropriate tissues and configured the parameters as follows: 'Log transform' enabled, 'CPM normalize' enabled, 'Expression-based plotting' enabled, 'Show labels' enabled, 'Dissociate viewers' enabled, and both 'Point size' and 'Point alpha level' set to maximum. For all tissues, we referred to the individual tissue sessions within the '10X Cross-tissue' RNAseq dataset. Each tSNE visualization depicts the coexpression patterns of genes, with each color corresponding to the genes listed on the left, right, and bottom of the plot. The tissue name, as referenced on the Fly SCope website is indicated in the upper left corner of the tSNE plot. Dashed lines denote the significant overlap of cell populations annotated by the respective genes. Coexpression between genes or annotated tissues is visually represented by differentially colored cell populations. For instance, yellow cells indicate the coexpression of a gene (or annotated tissue) with red color and another gene (or annotated tissue) with green color. Cyan cells signify coexpression between green and blue, purple cells for red and blue, and white cells for the coexpression of all three colors (red, green, and blue). Consistency in the tSNE plot visualization is preserved across all figures.

Single-cell RNA sequencing (scRNA-seq) data from the Drosophila melanogaster were obtained from the Fly Cell Atlas website (https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abk2432). Oenocytes gene expression analysis employed UMI (Unique Molecular Identifier) data extracted from the 10x VSN oenocyte (Stringent) loom and h5ad file, encompassing a total of 506,660 cells. The Seurat (v4.2.2) package (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2021.04.048) was utilized for data analysis. Violin plots were generated using the “Vlnplot” function, the cell types are split by FCA.

   We have also included detailed descriptions in the figure legends for the initial tSNE plot presented below to help readers clearly understand the significance of this visualization.

"Each tSNE visualization depicts the coexpression patterns of genes, with each color corresponding to the genes listed on the left, right, and/or bottom of the plot. The tissue name, as referenced on the Fly SCope website is indicated in the upper left corner of the tSNE plot. Consistency in the tSNE plot visualization is preserved across all figures."

Comment 7. I would like to see more information on how the thresholding and normalization was done for immunohistochemistry experiments. Was thresholding applied equally across all datasets? Furthermore, "overlap" of Denmark and Syt-eGFP is taken as evidence for synaptic connectivity, but the latter requires more than just overlap in the location of the axon terminal and dendrite regions of the neuron.

__ Answer: Thank you for your continued engagement with our manuscript and for highlighting the need for further clarification on our methods. Your attention to the details of our immunohistochemistry experiments is commendable, and we agree that providing a clear explanation of our thresholding and normalization procedures is essential for the transparency and reproducibility of our results. We concur that the intensity of these signals is indeed correlated with the area measurements, which is a critical factor to consider. In response to the reviewer's valuable suggestion, we have revised our approach and now present our data based on intensity measurements. Additionally, we have updated the labeling of our Y-axis to "Norm. GFP Int.", which stands for "normalized GFP intensity". This change ensures clarity and consistency in the presentation of our data. We primarily adhered to the established methods outlined by Kayser et al. [8]. To address your first point, we have now included a more detailed description of our thresholding and normalization procedures in the __MATERIALS AND METHODS section as below.

"Quantitative analysis of fluorescence intensity

To ascertain calcium levels and synaptic intensity from microscopic images, we dissected and imaged five-day-old flies of various social conditions and genotypes under uniform conditions. The GFP signal in the brains and VNCs was amplified through immunostaining with chicken anti-GFP primary antibody. Image analysis was conducted using ImageJ software. For the quantification of fluorescence intensities, an investigator, blinded to the fly's genotype, thresholded the sum of all pixel intensities within a sub-stack to optimize the signal-to-noise ratio, following established methods [93]. The total fluorescent area or region of interest (ROI) was then quantified using ImageJ, as previously reported. For CaLexA or TRIC signal quantification, we adhered to protocols detailed by Kayser et al. [94], which involve measuring the ROI's GFP-labeled area by summing pixel values across the image stack. This method assumes that changes in the GFP-labeled area and intensity are indicative of alterations in the CaLexA and TRIC signal, reflecting synaptic activity. ROI intensities were background-corrected by measuring and subtracting the fluorescent intensity from a non-specific adjacent area, as per Kayser et al. [94]. For normalization, nc82 fluorescence is utilized for CaLexA, while RFP signal is employed for TRIC experiments, as the RFP signal from the TRIC reporter is independent of calcium signaling [76]. For the analysis of GRASP or tGRASP signals, a sub-stack encompassing all synaptic puncta was thresholded by a genotype-blinded investigator to achieve the optimal signal-to-noise ratio. The fluorescence area or ROI for each region was quantified using ImageJ, employing a similar approach to that used for CaLexA or TRIC quantification [93]. 'Norm. GFP Int.' refers to the normalized GFP intensity relative to the RFP signal."

Comment 8. None of the RNAi experiments have been validated to demonstrate effective knockdown. In many cases, this would be difficult to do because of a lack of an antibody to quantify in a cell-specific manner; however, this fact should be acknowledged, especially in cases where there was found to be a lack of phenotype, which could result from lack of knockdown. The authors could also look for evidence in the literature of cases where RNAi lines they have used have been previously validated. For SIFa, knockdown can be easily confirmed with the SIFa antibody the authors have used elsewhere in the manuscript.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive and critical comments regarding the validation of our RNAi experiments through effective knockdown. We understand the reviewer’s concerns about achieving effective knockdown with RNAi; however, we have demonstrated in our unpublished preprint that the neuronal knockdown using independent SIFa-RNAi lines aligns with the SIFa mutant phenotype, which is consistent with our current findings on SIFa knockdown (Wong 2019). In most cases involving RNAi experiments, we have utilized independent RNAi strains to confirm consistent phenotypes and have compared these results with those from mutant phenotypes [1,9]. Therefore, we are confident that our observed SIFa phenotype results from effective RNAi knockdown. Nevertheless, we respect the reviewer’s comments and have conducted additional SIFa knockdown experiments using various GAL4 drivers, followed by immunostaining with SIFa antibodies. As shown in Figure S1B, both neuronal GAL4 drivers and SIFa-GAL4 effectively reduced SIFa immunoreactivity. We believe this indicates that our SIFa knockdown efficiently phenocopies the SIFa mutant phenotype. We also described this result in manuscript as below:

"Using the GAL4SIFa.PT driver and the elavc155 driver, we observed a significant decrease in SIFa immunoreactivity following SIFa-RNAi treatment, thereby confirming the effective knockdown of SIFa in these cells. In contrast, when SIFa-RNAi was expressed under the control of the repo-GAL4 driver, no significant change in SIFa immunoreactivity was detected (Fig. S1B). This control experiment highlights the specificity of the SIFa-RNAi effect and supports the conclusion that the behavioral changes observed in SMD and LMD are likely attributable to the targeted reduction of SIFa in the intended neuronal populations."

Minor comments:

Comment 1. There are quite a lot of citations to preprints, including preprints of the manuscripts under review. It seems inappropriate to cite a preprint of the manuscript you are submitting because it gives a false sense of strengthening the assertions being made in the manuscript.

   __Answer:__ We agree with the reviewer and have omitted all preprints that are currently under review, except for those that are deemed necessary, such as the Zhang et al. 2024 preprint, which is being submitted alongside this manuscript.

Comment 2. It seems that labels are incorrect on a number of the immunohistochemistry figures. For example, in Fig 2N, it labels dendrites as green, but this is sytEGFP, which is the presynaptic terminal.

__ Answer:__ We thoroughly reviewed and corrected the errors in the labels.

Comment ____3. Fig 4N shows grasp between SIFa-LexA and sNPF-R-GAL4, but the authors have argued that these two components should both be expressed in SIFa-expressing cells. This would make grasp signal misleading, because it would appear in the SIFa-expressing cells even without synaptic contacts due to both split GFP molecules being expressed in these cells.

   __Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s critical comments regarding the interpretation of our GRASP experiments. As the reviewer noted, we acknowledge that the GRASP results also indicate synaptic contacts between SIFa cells. We have elaborated on these results in the following sections.

"This indicates that the synapses between SIFa cells expressing sNPF-R become stronger (S5K to S5M Fig)."

   However, we understand that readers may find the interpretation of this GRASP data confusing, so we have included additional explanations below to clarify.

This indicates that the synapses between SIFa cells expressing sNPF-R become stronger (S5K to S5M Fig) since we have found that SIFa cells express sNPF-R (Fig 3M, S5E and S5G)

Comment 4. For quantifying TRIC and CaLexA experiments (eg. Figure 6A-E), intensity of signal should be measured in addition to the area covered by the signal.

__ Answer:__ We concur with the reviewer. Since all of our analyses indicated that the area covered by the signal correlates with the signal intensity, we opted to use normalized intensity rather than area coverage.

Conclusive Comments: This study will be most relevant to researchers interested in understanding neuronal control of behavior. It has provided novel information about the mechanisms underlying mating duration in flies, which is used to delineate how internal state influences behavioral outcomes. This represents a conceptual advance, particularly in identifying a cell type and molecule that influences mating duration decisions. The strength of the manuscript is the number of different assays used to investigate the central question from a number of angles. The limitation is that there is a lack of a big picture tying the different components of the manuscript together. Too much data is presented without providing a framework to understand how the data points fit together.

• Answer: We sincerely appreciate the reviewer’s positive feedback regarding our study and the recognition of its relevance to researchers interested in understanding the neuronal control of behavior. We are grateful for the acknowledgment of our novel insights into the mechanisms underlying mating duration in Drosophila*, particularly in how internal states influence behavioral outcomes. The identification of specific cell types and molecules that affect mating duration decisions indeed represents a significant conceptual advance. We also appreciate the reviewer’s commendation of the diverse array of assays employed in our investigation, which allowed us to approach our central question from multiple perspectives.

  In response to the reviewer’s constructive criticism regarding the lack of a cohesive framework tying the various components of our manuscript together, we have completely restructured our manuscript. We removed redundant data and incorporated additional convincing experiments, such as GCaMP analyses, to enhance clarity and coherence. Furthermore, we have provided a simplified yet comprehensive overview that describes the role of SIFa as a hub for neuropeptidergic signaling. This framework illustrates how SIFa orchestrates multiple behaviors related to energy balance through calcium signaling and synaptic plasticity via SIFaR-expressing cells.

  We believe these revisions address the reviewer’s concerns and provide a clearer understanding of how the different elements of our study fit together, ultimately strengthening the overall impact of our manuscript. Thank you for your valuable feedback, which has guided us in improving our work.

Reviewer #2

General Comments:* In the present study, the authors employ mating behavior in male fruit flies, Drosophila melanogaster, to investigate the behavioral roles of the neuropeptide SIFamide. The duration of mating behavior in these animals varies depending on context, previous experience, and internal metabolic state. The authors use this variability to explore the neuronal mechanisms that control these influences. In an abstraction step, they compare the different mating durations to concepts of neuronal interval timing.

The behavioral functions of the neuropeptide SIFamide have been thoroughly characterized in several studies, particularly in the contexts of circadian rhythm and sleep, courtship behavior, and food uptake. This study adds new data, demonstrating that SIFamide is essential for the proper control of mating behavior, highlighting the interconnection of various state- and motivation-dependent behaviors at the neuronal level. However, the hypothesis that mating behavior is related to interval timing is not convincingly supported.

Experimentally, the authors show that RNAi-mediated downregulation of SIFamide affects mating duration in male flies. They use combinations of RNAi lines under the control of various Gal4 lines to identify additional neurotransmitters, neuropeptides, and receptors involved in this process. This approach is complemented by neuroanatomical staining and single-cell RNA sequencing.*

* Overall, the study advances our knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide, which is certainly important, interesting, and worthy of being reported. However, the manuscript also raises several serious caveats and includes points that remain speculative, are less convincing, or are simply incorrect.*

• Answer: We would like to thank the reviewer for their thoughtful and constructive comments regarding our study. We appreciate the recognition of our investigation into the behavioral roles of the neuropeptide SIFamide in male Drosophila melanogaster*, particularly how we explored the variability in mating duration influenced by context, previous experience, and internal metabolic state. We are grateful for the acknowledgment that our study adds valuable data demonstrating the essential role of SIFamide in regulating mating behavior, highlighting the interconnectedness of various state- and motivation-dependent behaviors at the neuronal level.

  We also appreciate the reviewer's recognition of our experimental approach, which includes RNAi-mediated downregulation of SIFamide, the use of various Gal4 lines to identify additional neurotransmitters, neuropeptides, and receptors involved in this process, as well as our incorporation of neuroanatomical staining and single-cell RNA sequencing.

  In response to the reviewer’s concerns regarding the hypothesis that mating behavior is related to interval timing, we acknowledge that this aspect requires further clarification and support. We have revisited this hypothesis in our manuscript to strengthen its foundation and address any speculative elements. We aim to provide more robust evidence and clearer connections between mating behavior and neuronal interval timing.

  Furthermore, we have taken care to address any points that may have been perceived as less convincing or incorrect. We are committed to refining our manuscript to ensure that all claims are well-supported by our data. Thank you once again for your valuable feedback. We believe that these revisions will enhance the clarity and impact of our study while addressing the concerns raised.

Major concerns:

Comment 1. The authors conclude from their mating experiments that SIFamide controls interval timing. This conclusion is not supported by the data, which only indicate that SIFamide is required for normal mating duration and modulates the motivation-dependent component of this behavior. There is no clear evidence linking this to interval timing.

__ Answer: __We appreciate the reviewer’s insightful comments regarding our conclusion linking SIFamide to interval timing in mating behavior. We acknowledge that our data primarily demonstrate that SIFamide is required for normal mating duration and modulates the motivation-dependent aspects of this behavior, and we recognize the need for clearer evidence connecting these observations to interval timing. Current research by Crickmore et al. has shed light on how mating duration in Drosophila serves as a powerful model for exploring changes in motivation over time as behavioral goals are achieved. For instance, at approximately six minutes into mating, sperm transfer occurs, leading to a significant shift in the male's nervous system: he no longer prioritizes sustaining the mating at the expense of his own survival. This change is driven by the output of four male-specific neurons that produce the neuropeptide Corazonin (Crz). When these Crz neurons are inhibited, sperm transfer does not occur, and the male fails to downregulate his motivation, resulting in matings that can last for hours instead of the typical ~23 minutes [10].

   Recent research by Crickmore et al. has received NIH R01 funding (Mechanisms of Interval Timing, 1R01GM134222-01) to explore mating duration in *Drosophila* as a genetic model for interval timing. Their work highlights how changes in motivation over time can influence mating behavior, particularly noting that significant behavioral shifts occur during mating, such as the transfer of sperm at approximately six minutes, which correlates with a decrease in the male's motivation to continue mating [10]. These findings suggest that mating duration is not only a behavioral endpoint but may also reflect underlying mechanisms related to interval timing.

   We believe that by leveraging the robustness and experimental tractability of these findings, along with our own work on SIFamide's role in mating behavior, we can gain deeper insights into the molecular and circuit mechanisms underlying interval timing. We will revise our manuscript to clarify this relationship and emphasize how SIFamide may interact with other neuropeptides and neuronal circuits involved in motivation and timing.

   In addition to the efforts of Crickmore's group to connect mating duration with a straightforward genetic model for interval timing, we have previously published several papers demonstrating that LMD and SMD can serve as effective genetic models for interval timing within the fly research community. For instance, we have successfully connected SMD to an interval timing model in a recently published paper [6], as detailed below:

"We hypothesize that SMD can serve as a straightforward genetic model system through which we can investigate "interval timing," the capacity of animals to distinguish between periods ranging from minutes to hours in duration.....

In summary, we report a novel sensory pathway that controls mating investment related to sexual experiences in Drosophila. Since both LMD and SMD behaviors are involved in controlling male investment by varying the interval of mating, these two behavioral paradigms will provide a new avenue to study how the brain computes the ‘interval timing’ that allows an animal to subjectively experience the passage of physical time [11–16]."

   Lee, S. G., Sun, D., Miao, H., Wu, Z., Kang, C., Saad, B., ... & Kim, W. J. (2023). Taste and pheromonal inputs govern the regulation of time investment for mating by sexual experience in male Drosophila melanogaster. *PLoS Genetics*, *19*(5), e1010753.

   We have also successfully linked LMD behavior to an interval timing model and have published several papers on this topic recently [4,5,7].

   Sun, Y., Zhang, X., Wu, Z., Li, W., & Kim, W. J. (2024). Genetic Screening Reveals Cone Cell-Specific Factors as Common Genetic Targets Modulating Rival-Induced Prolonged Mating in male Drosophila melanogaster. *G3: Genes, Genomes, Genetics*, jkae255.

   Zhang, T., Zhang, X., Sun, D., & Kim, W. J. (2024). Exploring the Asymmetric Body’s Influence on Interval Timing Behaviors of Drosophila melanogaster. *Behavior Genetics*, *54*(5), 416-425.

   Huang, Y., Kwan, A., & Kim, W. J. (2024). Y chromosome genes interplay with interval timing in regulating mating duration of male Drosophila melanogaster. *Gene Reports*, *36*, 101999.

   Finally, in this context, we have outlined in our INTRODUCTION section below how our LMD and SMD models are related to interval timing, aiming to persuade readers of their relevance. We hope that the reviewer and readers are convinced that mating duration and its associated motivational changes such as LMD and SMD provide a compelling model for studying the genetic basis of interval timing in *Drosophila*.

"The mating duration of male fruit flies is a suitable model for studying interval timing and it could change based on internal states and environmental context. Previous studies by our group[27–30] and others[31,32] have established several frameworks for investigating the mating duration using sophisticated genetic techniques that can analyze and uncover the neural circuits’ principles governing interval timing. In particular, males exhibit LMD behavior when they are exposed to an environment with rivals, which means they prolong their mating duration. Conversely, they display SMD behavior when they are in a sexually saturated condition, meaning they reduce their mating duration[33,34]."

Comment 2. On line 160, the authors state, "The connection between the dendrites and axons of the SIFamide neuronal processes is unknown." This is not entirely correct. State-of-the-art connectome analyses can determine synaptic connectivities between SIFamidergic neurons and pre-/postsynaptic neurons. The authors also overlook the thorough connectivity analysis by Martelli et al. (2017), which includes functional analyses and detailed anatomical descriptions that the current study confirms.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer for acknowledging the efforts of Martelli et al. in elucidating the neuronal architecture of SIFa neurons. We recognize that it was an oversight on our part to state that "the connection between the dendrites and axons of SIFa neurons is unknown." This error arose because our manuscript has been in preparation for over ten years, predating the publication of Martelli et al.'s work. That statement likely reflects an outdated section of the manuscript.

We fully acknowledge the findings from previous publications and have removed that sentence entirely from our manuscript. In its place, we have added the following statement:

"The established connections and architecture of SIFa neurons has been described by Martelli et al., which enhances our understanding of their functional roles within the neuronal circuitry [51]. To identify the dendritic and axonal components of SIFa-neuronal processes, we employed a similar approach to that reported by Martelli [51]."

Thank you for your valuable feedback, which has helped us improve the clarity and accuracy of our manuscript.

Comment 3. The mating experiments are overall okay, with sufficiently high sample sizes and appropriate statistical tests. However, many experiments lack genetic controls for the heterozygous parental strains, such as Gal4-ines AND UAS-lines. This is of course of importance and common standard.

__ Answer: __While we have previously addressed this type of reviewer feedback in our published manuscript [2–7] as well as this manuscript by Reviewer #1, we appreciate the reviewer’s suggestion to include traditional genetic control experiments. In response, we conducted all feasible combinations of genetic control experiments for LMD/SMD during the revision period. The results are presented in the supplementary figures and are described in the main text.

Comment 4. *Using a battery of RNAi lines, the authors aim to uncover which neurotransmitters might be co-released from SIFamide neurons to influence mating behavior. However, a behavioral effect of an RNAi construct expressed in SIFamidergic neurons does not demonstrate that the respective transmitter is actually released from these neurons. Alternative methods are needed to show whether glutamate, dopamine, serotonin, octopamine, etc., are present and released from SIFamide neurons. It is particularly challenging to prove that a certain substance acts as a transmitter released by a specific neuron. For example, anti-Tdc2 staining does not actually cover SIFamide neurons, and dopamine has not been described as present in SIFamide neurons. *

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive comments regarding the need to demonstrate the presence of the responsible neurotransmitters in SIFa neurons. While many studies utilize neurotransmitter-synthesizing enzymes such as TH, VGlut, Gad1, and Trhn to assess neurotransmitter effects, we recognize the importance of conclusively establishing that glutamate and dopamine play significant roles in modulating energy balance within SIFa neurons.

   First, the enrichment of tyramine (TA), octopamine (OA), and dopamine (DA) in SIFa neurons was suggested in the study by Croset et al. (2018) [17]. Although we tested Tdc2-RNAi and observed interesting phenotypes, we chose not to publish these findings, as our data on glutamate and dopamine provide a more compelling explanation for how SIFa cotransmission with these neurotransmitters can independently influence various behaviors, including sleep and mating duration.

   To confirm the expression of DA in SIFa neurons, we employed a well-established genetic toolkit for dissecting dopamine circuit function in *Drosophila* [18]. Our findings indicate that TH-C-GAL4 specifically labels SIFa neurons, which have been confirmed as dopaminergic (S4M Fig). Our genetic intersection data, along with Xie et al.'s findings from 2018, confirm that a subset of SIFa neurons is indeed dopaminergic. We have described these new results in the main text as follows:

To further verify the presence of DA neurons within the SIFa neuron population, we utilized a well-established genetic toolkit for dissecting DA circuits and confirmed part of SIFa neurons are dopaminergic (S4M Fig) [58].

    To confirm the glutamatergic characteristics of SIFa neurons, we conducted several experiments that established glutamate as the most critical neurotransmitter for generating interval timing in both SIFa and SIFaR neurons. First, to demonstrate the presence of glutamatergic synaptic vesicles in SIFa neurons, we utilized a conditional glutamatergic synaptic vesicle marker for *Drosophila*, developed by Certel et al. [19]. Our results confirmed that SIFa neurons exhibit strong expression of glutamatergic synaptic vesicles (Fig. 2P and Fig. S4N as a genetic control). We have described these new results in the main text as follows:

“To further verify the presence of DA neurons within the SIFa neuron population, we utilized a well-established genetic toolkit for dissecting DA circuits and confirmed part of SIFa neurons are dopaminergic (S4M Fig) [58]. We also employed a conditional glutamatergic synaptic vesicle marker to confirm the presence of glutamatergic SIFa neurons (Fig 2P and Fig S4N) [59].”

   To further confirm that glutamate release from SIFa neurons influences the function of SIFaR neurons, we tested several RNAi strains targeting glutamate receptors. Our results showed that the knockdown of glutamate receptors in SIFaR-expressing neurons produced phenotypes similar to those observed with VGlut-RNAi knockdown in SIFa neurons (Fig. G-L). We believe that this series of experiments demonstrates that glutamate and dopamine work in conjunction with SIFa to modulate interval timing and other behaviors related to energy balance. We have described these new results in the main text as follows:

"To further substantiate the role of glutamate in SIFa-mediated behaviors. we targeted knockdown of VGlut receptors in SIFaR-expressing neurons. Strikingly, the knockdown of VGlut receptors in these neurons also disrupted SMD behavior, mirroring the phenotype observed upon direct suppression of glutamatergic signaling in SIFa neurons (S4G to S4L Fig). This suggests that glutamate is an essential neurotransmitter for modulating interval timing in SIFa neurons.”

Comment 5. Single-cell RNA sequencing data alone is insufficient to claim multiple transmitter co-release from SIFamide neurons. Figures illustrating single-cell RNA sequencing, such as Figure 3P-R, are not intuitively understandable, and the figure legends lack sufficient information to clarify these panels. As a side note, Tdc2 is not only present in octopaminergic neurons, but also in tyraminergic neurons.

__ Answer:__ We agree with the reviewer that scRNA-seq data alone is insufficient to support claims of multiple transmitter co-release in SIFa neurons. We also appreciate the reviewer for highlighting the potential for confusion among readers regarding the visualization methods used in our figures, particularly the tSNE plots of the scRNA-seq data. As noted in our previous response to Reviewer #1, we have removed most of the tSNE plots related to co-expression data involving SIFa and NPRs, which we believe will help clarify the interpretation for readers. However, we have retained a few tSNE plots, specifically Figures 2N-O, to illustrate the potential co-expression of the ple and Vglut genes in SIFa cells.

   We understand the reviewer’s concerns regarding the clarity of the presented data and the need for more detailed information about the extent of co-expression and the identification of SIFa-expressing cells. To address these concerns, we have provided a comprehensive description of our methods in the __MATERIALS AND METHODS__ section below.

"Single-nucleus RNA-sequencing analyses

The snRNAseq dataset analyzed in this paper is published in [20]and available at the Nextflow pipelines (VSN, https://github.com/vib-singlecell-nf), the availability of raw and processed datasets for users to explore, and the development of a crowd-annotation platform with voting, comments, and references through SCope (https://flycellatlas.org/scope), linked to an online analysis platform in ASAP (https://asap.epfl.ch/fca). For the generation of the tSNE plots, we utilized the Fly SCope website (https://scope.aertslab.org/#/FlyCellAtlas/*/welcome). Within the session interface, we selected the appropriate tissues and configured the parameters as follows: 'Log transform' enabled, 'CPM normalize' enabled, 'Expression-based plotting' enabled, 'Show labels' enabled, 'Dissociate viewers' enabled, and both 'Point size' and 'Point alpha level' set to maximum. For all tissues, we referred to the individual tissue sessions within the '10X Cross-tissue' RNAseq dataset. Each tSNE visualization depicts the coexpression patterns of genes, with each color corresponding to the genes listed on the left, right, and bottom of the plot. The tissue name, as referenced on the Fly SCope website is indicated in the upper left corner of the tSNE plot. Dashed lines denote the significant overlap of cell populations annotated by the respective genes. Coexpression between genes or annotated tissues is visually represented by differentially colored cell populations. For instance, yellow cells indicate the coexpression of a gene (or annotated tissue) with red color and another gene (or annotated tissue) with green color. Cyan cells signify coexpression between green and blue, purple cells for red and blue, and white cells for the coexpression of all three colors (red, green, and blue). Consistency in the tSNE plot visualization is preserved across all figures.

Single-cell RNA sequencing (scRNA-seq) data from the Drosophila melanogaster were obtained from the Fly Cell Atlas website (https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abk2432). Oenocytes gene expression analysis employed UMI (Unique Molecular Identifier) data extracted from the 10x VSN oenocyte (Stringent) loom and h5ad file, encompassing a total of 506,660 cells. The Seurat (v4.2.2) package (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2021.04.048) was utilized for data analysis. Violin plots were generated using the “Vlnplot” function, the cell types are split by FCA."

   We have also included detailed descriptions in the figure legends for the initial tSNE plot presented below to help readers clearly understand the significance of this visualization.

"Each tSNE visualization depicts the coexpression patterns of genes, with each color corresponding to the genes listed on the left, right, and/or bottom of the plot. The tissue name, as referenced on the Fly SCope website is indicated in the upper left corner of the tSNE plot. Consistency in the tSNE plot visualization is preserved across all figures."

   We appreciate the reviewer for acknowledging that Tdc2 is present in both TA and OA neurons. As we mentioned earlier, we have completely removed the Tdc2-related results from this manuscript, as we believe that more detailed experiments are necessary to confirm the roles of TA and OA in SIFa neurons.

Comment 6. The same argument applies to the expression of sNPF receptors in SIFamide neurons. The rather small anatomical stainings shown in figure 4M do not convincingly and unambiguously show that actually sNPF receptors are located on SIFamide neurons.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer for pointing out that the co-expression of sNPF-R and SIFa needs further verification, and we agree with this assessment. To confirm the co-expression of SIFa with sNPF-R, we conducted a mini-screen of various sNPF-R driver lines and found that the chemoconnectome (CCT) sNPF-R2A driver which represent the physiological expression patterns of sNPF-R, consistently labels SIFa neurons [21].

   To further establish the functional connection between the SIFa and sNPF systems, we performed GCaMP experiments using SIFa-driven GCaMP in conjunction with sNPF-R neurons expressing P2X2, which can be activated by ATP treatment. As shown in Figures 3N-P, we demonstrated that activation of sNPF-R neurons by ATP significantly increases calcium levels in SIFa neurons. Our results strongly suggest that the sNPF-sNPF-R/SIFa system is functionally present and plays a role in modulating interval timing behaviors.

Comment 7. The authors use the GRASP technique (figure 4N) to determine whether synaptic connections are subject to modulation as a result from the animals' individual experience. The overall extremely bright fluorescence at the dorsal areas of both brain hemispheres (figure 4 N, middle panel) raises doubts whether this signal is actually a specific GRASP fluorescence between two small populations of neurons.

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer for critically highlighting the inadequacies in our presentation of the GRASP data. We agree that one of our previous panels contained excessive background noise, making it difficult for reviewers and readers to discern the different neuronal connections. To address this issue, we have replaced it with a more representative image that clearly illustrates the strengthening of synaptic connections from SIF to sNPF-R in several neurons, including SIFa cells (Fig. S5J). We hope that this updated image will help convince both the reviewer and readers of the validity of our GRASP data.

Comment 8. The authors cite Martelli et al. (2017) with the hypothesis that sNPF-releasing neurons provide input signals to SIFamide neurons to modulate feeding behavior. However, the cited manuscript does not contain such a hypothesis. The authors should review the reference in more detail.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate reviewer to correctly point our misunderstanding of references. We agree with reviewer that Martelli et al.'s paper didn't mention about sNPF signaling transmits hunger and satiety information to SIFa neurons. We removed this sentence and replaced it as below correctly mentioning that sNPF signaling is related to feeding behavior however it's connection to SIFa neurons are not known. We greatly appreciate the reviewer for acknowledging our efforts to accurately cite previous articles that support our rationale and ideas.

" Short neuropeptide F (sNPF) signaling plays a crucial role in regulating feeding behavior in Drosophila melanogaster, influencing food intake and body size [60,66,67]. However, there is currently no direct evidence reported linking sNPF signaling to SIFa neurons."

Comment ____9. In lines 281 ff., the authors state that SIFamide neurons receive inputs from peptidergic neurons but simultaneously claim that "this speculation is based on morphological observations." This is incorrect. The functional co-activation/imaging analyses provided in Martelli et al. (2017) should not be ignored.

* Answer: We fully agree with the reviewer that we misinterpreted Martelli et al.'s analysis. We have removed "this speculation is based on morphological observations." from* the following sentence and finalize as below:

"The SIFa neurons receive inputs from many peptidergic pathways including Crz, dilp2, Dsk, sNPF, MIP, and hugin"

Comment 10. Figure 6: A transcriptional calcium sensor (TRIC) was used to quantify the accumulation GFP induced by calcium influx in SIFamide neurons. However, I could not find any description of the method in the materials and methods section, nor any explanation how the data were acquired or analyzed. What is the RFP expression good for? How exactly are thresholds determined, and why are areas rather than fluorescence intensities quantified? Overall, this part of the manuscript is rather confusing and needs more explanation.

__ Answer: Thank you for your continued engagement with our manuscript and for highlighting the need for further clarification on our methods. Your attention to the details of our immunohistochemistry experiments is commendable, and we agree that providing a clear explanation of our thresholding and normalization procedures is essential for the transparency and reproducibility of our results. We primarily adhered to the established methods outlined by Kayser et al. [8]. To address your first point, we have now included a more detailed description of our thresholding and normalization procedures in the __MATERIALS AND METHODS section as below.

"Quantitative analysis of fluorescence intensity

To ascertain calcium levels and synaptic intensity from microscopic images, we dissected and imaged five-day-old flies of various social conditions and genotypes under uniform conditions. The GFP signal in the brains and VNCs was amplified through immunostaining with chicken anti-GFP, rabbit anti-DsRed, and mouse anti-nc82 primary antibodies. Image analysis was conducted using ImageJ software. For the quantification of fluorescence intensities, an investigator, blinded to the fly's genotype, thresholded the sum of all pixel intensities within a sub-stack to optimize the signal-to-noise ratio, following established methods [100]. The total fluorescent area or region of interest (ROI) was then quantified using ImageJ, as previously reported. For CaLexA or TRIC signal quantification, we adhered to protocols detailed by Kayser et al. [101], which involve measuring the ROI's GFP-labeled area by summing pixel values across the image stack. This method assumes that changes in the GFP-labeled area and intensity are indicative of alterations in the CaLexA and TRIC signal, reflecting synaptic activity. ROI intensities were background-corrected by measuring and subtracting the fluorescent intensity from a non-specific adjacent area, as per Kayser et al. [101]. For normalization, nc82 fluorescence is utilized for CaLexA, while RFP signal is employed for TRIC experiments, as the RFP signal from the TRIC reporter is independent of calcium signaling [72] . For the analysis of GRASP or tGRASP signals, a sub-stack encompassing all synaptic puncta was thresholded by a genotype-blinded investigator to achieve the optimal signal-to-noise ratio. The fluorescence area or ROI for each region was quantified using ImageJ, employing a similar approach to that used for CaLexA or TRIC quantification [100]. 'Norm. GFP Int.' refers to the normalized GFP intensity relative to the RFP signal.

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__Comment 11. __Similarly, it remains unclear how exactly syteGFP fluorescence and DenMark fluorescence were quantified. Why are areas indicated and not fluorescence intensity values? In fact, it appears worrisome that isolation of males should lead to a drastic decline in synaptic terminals (as measure through a vesicle-associated protein) by ~ 30%, or, conversely, keeping animals in groups lead to an respective increase (figure 7D). The technical information how exactly this was quantified is not sufficient.

__ Answer: __Thank you for your ongoing engagement with our manuscript and for emphasizing the need for clarification on our methods. We appreciate your attention to the details of our immunohistochemistry experiments and agree that a clear explanation of our thresholding and normalization procedures is vital for transparency and reproducibility. We acknowledge that signal intensity correlates with area measurements, which is an important consideration. In response to your valuable suggestion, we have revised our approach to present data based on intensity measurements and updated the Y-axis labeling to "Norm. GFP Int." (normalized GFP intensity) for clarity. We primarily followed the established methods from Kayser et al. (2014) [8]. Additionally, we have included a more detailed description of our thresholding and normalization procedures in the "Quantitative analysis of fluorescence intensity" in __MATERIALS AND METHODS __section as we quoted above.

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Minor concerns:

Comment 1. Reference 29 and reference 33 are the same.

   __Answer:__ We removed reference 29.

Comment 2. In figure legends, abbreviations should be explained when used first (e.g., figure 1 A "MD", is explained below for panel C-F), or "CS males". __ __

__Answer: __We have ensured that abbreviations are explained only when they are first used in the figure legends.

Comment 3. Indications for statistical significance must be shown in all figure legends at the end of each figure legend, not only in figure 1. __ __

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s advice. However, we have published all our other manuscripts using the same format for mating duration, stating, "The same notations for statistical significance are used in other figures," in the first figure where we describe our statistical significances. We intend to continue with this approach initially and will then adhere to the journal's policy.

Comment 4. The figures appear overloaded. For example why do you need two different axis designations (mating duration and differences between means)? __ __

__ Answer: __We appreciate the reviewer's suggestion to refine our figures, and we have indeed reformatted them to provide clearer presentation and improved readability. Our decision is based on the fact that our analysis encompasses not only traditional t-tests but also incorporates estimation statistics, which have been demonstrated to be effective for biological data analysis [22]. The inclusion of DBMs is essential for the accurate interpretation of these estimation statistics, ensuring a comprehensive representation of our findings. This is the primary area where we present two different axis designations.

Comment 5. Line: 1154: Typo: gluttaminergic should be glutamatergic.

   __Answer:__ We fixed all.

Comment 6. The authors frequently write "system" when referring to transmitter types, e.g., "glutaminergic system", "octopaminergic system", etc. It I not clear what the term "system" actually refers to. If the authors claim that SIFamide neurons release these transmitters in addition to SIFamide, they should state that precisely and then add experiments to show that this is the case.

   __Answer:__ We agree with reviewer and removed the word 'system' after the name of neurotransmitter's name.

Comment 7. Figure S6: It is not explained in the figure legend what fly strain "UAS-ctrl" actually is. Does "ctrl" mean control? And what genotype is hat control? __ __

__Answer: __It was wild-type strain. We fixed it as "+".

Comment 8. Figure legend S6, line 1371: The authors indicate experiments using UAS-OrkDeltaC. I could not find these data in the figure. __ __

__Answer: __It's now in Fig.S6U-W.

Comment 9. Line 470: "...reduced branching of SIFa axons at the postsynaptic level" should perhaps be "presynaptic level"?

Answer: Reviewer is correct. We fixed it.

Conclusive Comments:* Overall, the study advances our knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide, which is certainly important, interesting, and worthy of being reported. However, the manuscript also raises several serious caveats and includes points that remain speculative and are less convincing.

Overall, the neuronal basis of action selection based on motivational factors (metabolic state, mating experience, sleep/wake status, etc.) is not well understood. The analysis of SIFamide function in insects might provide a way to address the question how different motivational signals are integrated to orchestrate behavior.*

• *Answer: Thank you for your thoughtful review and for recognizing the significance of our study in advancing knowledge about the behavioral roles of SIFamide. We appreciate your acknowledgment that our work is important, interesting, and worthy of publication.

We understand your concerns regarding the caveats and speculative points raised in the manuscript. We agree that the neuronal basis of action selection influenced by motivational factors—such as metabolic state, mating experience, and sleep/wake status—remains poorly understood. We believe that our analysis of SIFamide function in insects offers valuable insights into how various motivational signals are integrated to orchestrate behavior.

In response to your comments, we have made revisions to clarify our findings and address the concerns raised. We aim to strengthen the arguments presented in the manuscript and provide a more robust discussion of the implications of our results. Thank you once again for your constructive feedback, which has been instrumental in improving the clarity and impact of our work.

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Reviewer #3

General Comments:* The Manuscript Peptidergic neurons with extensive branching orchestrate the internal states and energy balance of male Drosophila melanogaster by Yuton Song and colleagues addresses the question how SIFamidergic neurons coordinate behavioral responses in a context-dependent manner. In this context the authors investigate how SIFa neurons receive information about the physiological state of the animal and integrate this information into the processing of external stimuli. The authors show that SIFamidergic neurons and sNPPF expressing neurons form a feedback loop in the ventral nerve cord that modulate long mating (LMD) and shorter mating duration (SMD).

The manuscript is well written and very detailed and provides an enormous amount of data corroborating the claims of the authors. However, before publication the authors may want to address some points of concern that warrant some deeper explanation.*

• *__Answer: __Thank you for your positive feedback on our manuscript. We appreciate your recognition of the importance of our study in investigating how SIFa neurons integrate information about the physiological state of the animal with external stimuli, as well as your acknowledgment of the substantial data we provide to support our claims. We understand your concerns regarding certain points that require deeper explanation, and we are committed to addressing these issues to enhance the clarity and robustness of our findings. Your insights into the neuronal basis of action selection influenced by motivational factors are invaluable, and we believe that our exploration of SIFamide function in insects contributes significantly to understanding how various motivational signals orchestrate behavior. Thank you once again for your constructive comments, which will help us improve our manuscript before publication.

Major concerns:

Comment 1. On page 6 line 110 the authors describe that knocking-down SIFamide in glia cell does not change LMD or SMD and say that SIFa expression in glia does not contribute to interval timing behavior. However, the authors do not provide any information why they investigate the role of SIFa expression in glia. Is there any SIFa-expression in glia? The authors should somehow demonstrate using antibody labelling against SIFamide whether any glia specific expression of this peptide is to be expected. If they cannot provide this data - the take home message of the experiment cannot be that glia knockdown of SIFamide does not affect the behavior because you cannot knockdown anything that is not there.

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• In the latter case the experiment could be considered as a nice negative control for the elav-Gal4 pan-neuronal knockdown of SIFamide. The authors provide some Figure supplement where they use repo-Gal80 to partially answer this question. However, the authors should keep in mind that Gal4-drivers are not always complete in the expression pattern. Accordingly, the result should be corroborated with immune-labelling against SIFamide directly.*

__ Answer: __We appreciate the reviewer's constructive and critical comments regarding the use of our glial cell drivers. As the reviewer rightly pointed out, we believe that glial control is not essential for our manuscript, given that the expression of SIFa is well established in only four neurons. Therefore, we have removed the data related to glial drivers from this manuscript.

Comment 2. At this point I would like to directly comment on the figure quality. The figures are so crowded that the described anatomical details are hardly visible. In my opinion the manuscript would profit from less data in the main part and more stringent description of the core of the biological problem the authors want to address. The authors may want to reduce data from the main text and provide additional data that are not directly related to the main story as supplementary information.

__ Answer: __We agree with the reviewer. As another reviewer also suggested that we streamline our figures and data, we have completely restructured our figures and their presentation. In response, we have significantly reduced the density of the main figures and decreased the size of the graphs to enhance clarity. Additionally, we have increased the spacing between panels to ensure that each component is more easily distinguishable. Further details will be provided in our responses to each comment below.

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Comment 3. On page 8 starting with line 140 the authors describe the architecture of SIFamidergic neurons using several anatomical markers e.g., Denmark and further state that they have discovered that the dendrites of SIFa neurons span just the central brain area. Seeing that these data have been published in Martelli et al., 2017 the authors should tune down the claim that this was discovered in their work but rather corroborated earlier results.

__ Answer: __We acknowledge this error, as another reviewer also raised this issue. We have corrected our manuscript as follows:

"The established connections and architecture of SIFa neurons has been described by Martelli et al., which enhances our understanding of their functional roles within the neuronal circuitry [51]. To identify the dendritic and axonal components of SIFa-neuronal processes, we employed a similar approach to that reported by Martelli [51]."

Comment 4. In the next chapter, the authors aim at identifying the presynaptic inputs from SIFa positive neurons that may influence interval timing behavior and make a broad RNAi knock-down screen targeting a majority of neuromodulators. The authors claim that glutaminergic and dopaminergic signaling is necessary for interval timing behavior. I guess the authors mean "glutamatergic" instead of "glutaminergic" as glutamine is the precursor but not the neurotransmitter.

__ Answer: __The reviewer is correct. We have corrected this error and changed all instances to "glutamatergic."

Comment 5____. Furthermore, the authors show that the knock down of Tdc2 with RNAi has comparable effects on SMD than Glutamate and dopamine but appear to not further discuss this in the main text. To me it is not clear why the authors exclude Tdc2 from their resume. The authors should explain this in detail.

   __Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive comments regarding the need for a more detailed demonstration of the role of Tdc2 data. While we did test Tdc2-RNAi and observed interesting phenotypes, we decided not to include these findings in our publication, as our data on glutamate and dopamine offer a more compelling explanation for how SIFa cotransmission with these neurotransmitters can independently influence various behaviors, such as sleep and mating duration. Consequently, we have removed all data related to Tdc2. We believe that further evaluation is necessary to better understand the roles of the tyramine and octopamine systems in SIFa neurons.

Comment 6. The authors base their assumptions that the tested neurotransmitters are expressed in SIFamidergic neurons on Scope database analysis. But a transcript does not necessarily mean that it will be translated too. To my knowledge there is no available data in the literature showing that tyrosine hydroxylase is expressed in SIFamidergic neurons (see e.g., Mao and Davis, 2010). To show that ple or Tdc2 are indeed expressed and translated into functional enzymes in SIFamidergic neurons the authors should provide the according antibody labelling corroborating the result from the transcriptome analysis.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive comments regarding the role of neurotransmitters in conjunction with SIFa in modulating interval timing behaviors. To confirm the expression of dopamine (DA) in SIFa neurons, we utilized a well-established genetic toolkit for dissecting dopamine circuit function in Drosophila [18]. Our findings demonstrate that TH-C-GAL4 specifically labels SIFa neurons, which have been confirmed to be dopaminergic (Fig. S4M). This aligns with the genetic intersection data and the findings from Xie et al. (2018), confirming that a subset of SIFa neurons is indeed dopaminergic. We have included these new results in the main text as follows:

" To further verify the presence of DA neurons within the SIFa neuron population, we utilized a well-established genetic toolkit for dissecting DA circuits and confirmed part of SIFa neurons are dopaminergic (S4M Fig) [58]."

   To confirm the glutamatergic characteristics of SIFa neurons, we conducted several experiments that established glutamate as the most critical neurotransmitter for generating interval timing in both SIFa and SIFaR neurons. First, to demonstrate the presence of glutamatergic synaptic vesicles in SIFa neurons, we utilized a conditional glutamatergic synaptic vesicle marker for *Drosophila*, developed by Certel et al. [19]. Our results confirmed that SIFa neurons exhibit strong expression of glutamatergic synaptic vesicles (Fig. 2P and Fig. S4N as a genetic control). We have described these new results in the main text as follows:

"To further substantiate the role of glutamate in SIFa-mediated behaviors. we targeted the expression of VGlut receptor in neurons that carry the SIFaR. Strikingly, the knockdown of VGlut receptor in these neurons also disrupted SMD behavior, mirroring the phenotype observed upon direct suppression of glutamatergic signaling in SIFa neurons (S4O-L Fig)."

   To further confirm that glutamate release from SIFa neurons influences the function of SIFaR neurons, we tested several RNAi strains targeting glutamate receptors. Our results showed that the knockdown of glutamate receptors in SIFaR-expressing neurons produced phenotypes similar to those observed with VGlut-RNAi knockdown in SIFa neurons (Fig. S4I-N). We believe that this series of experiments demonstrates that glutamate and dopamine work in conjunction with SIFa to modulate interval timing and other behaviors related to energy balance. We have described these new results in the main text as follows:

"We also further verified that the knockdown of glutamate receptors in SIFaR-expressing neurons produces phenotypes similar to those resulting from VGlut knockdown in SIFa neurons (S4G to S4L Fig). This suggests that glutamate is an essential neurotransmitter for modulating interval timing in SIFa neurons."

Comment 7. The authors compare the LMD and SMD behavior of the animals with reduced expression with "heterozygous control animals" the authors should describe in detail what these are - are these controls the driver lines or the effector lines or a mix of both? The authors should provide the data for heterozygous driver line controls as well as heterozygous effector line controls to exclude any genetic background influence on the measured behavior. Accordingly, the authors should provide the data for the same controls for the sleep experiment in figure 3O and all the other behavioral experiments in the following parts of the manuscript.

__ Answer: __We sincerely thank the reviewer for insightful comments regarding the absence of traditional genetic controls in our study of LMD and SMD behaviors. We acknowledge the importance of such controls and wish to clarify our rationale for not including them in the current investigation. The primary reason for not incorporating all genetic control lines is that we have previously assessed the LMD and SMD behaviors of GAL4/+ and UAS/+ strains in our earlier studies. Our past experiences have consistently shown that 100% of the genetic control flies for both GAL4 and UAS exhibit normal LMD and SMD behaviors. Given these findings, we deemed the inclusion of additional genetic controls to be non-essential for the present study, particularly in the context of extensive screening efforts. We understand the value of providing a clear rationale for our methodology choices. To this end, we have added a detailed explanation in the "MATERIALS AND METHODS" section and the figure legends of Figure 1. This clarification aims to assist readers in understanding our decision to omit traditional controls, as outlined below.

"Mating Duration Assays for Successful Copulation

The mating duration assay in this study has been reported [33,73,93]. To enhance the efficiency of the mating duration assay, we utilized the Df (1) Exel6234 (DF here after) genetic modified fly line in this study, which harbors a deletion of a specific genomic region that includes the sex peptide receptor (SPR)[94,95]. Previous studies have demonstrated that virgin females of this line exhibit increased receptivity to males [95]. We conducted a comparative analysis between the virgin females of this line and the CS virgin females and found that both groups induced SMD. Consequently, we have elected to employ virgin females from this modified line in all subsequent studies. For naïve males, 40 males from the same strain were placed into a vial with food for 5 days. For single reared males, males of the same strain were collected individually and placed into vials with food for 5 days. For experienced males, 40 males from the same strain were placed into a vial with food for 4 days then 80 DF virgin females were introduced into vials for last 1 day before assay. 40 DF virgin females were collected from bottles and placed into a vial for 5 days. These females provide both sexually experienced partners and mating partners for mating duration assays. At the fifth day after eclosion, males of the appropriate strain and DF virgin females were mildly anaesthetized by CO2. After placing a single female in to the mating chamber, we inserted a transparent film then placed a single male to the other side of the film in each chamber. After allowing for 1 h of recovery in the mating chamber in 25℃ incubators, we removed the transparent film and recorded the mating activities. Only those males that succeeded to mate within 1 h were included for analyses. Initiation and completion of copulation were recorded with an accuracy of 10 sec, and total mating duration was calculated for each couple. All assays were performed from noon to 4pm. Genetic controls with GAL4/+ or UAS/+ lines were omitted from supplementary figures, as prior data confirm their consistent exhibition of normal LMD and SMD behaviors [33,73,93,96,97]. Hence, genetic controls for LMD and SMD behaviors were incorporated exclusively when assessing novel fly strains that had not previously been examined. In essence, internal controls were predominantly employed in the experiments, as LMD and SMD behaviors exhibit enhanced statistical significance when internally controlled. Within the LMD assay, both group and single conditions function reciprocally as internal controls. A significant distinction between the naïve and single conditions implies that the experimental manipulation does not affect LMD. Conversely, the lack of a significant discrepancy suggests that the manipulation does influence LMD. In the context of SMD experiments, the naïve condition (equivalent to the group condition in the LMD assay) and sexually experienced males act as mutual internal controls for one another. A statistically significant divergence between naïve and experienced males indicates that the experimental procedure does not alter SMD. Conversely, the absence of a statistically significant difference suggests that the manipulation does impact SMD. Hence, we incorporated supplementary genetic control experiments solely if they deemed indispensable for testing. All assays were performed from noon to 4 PM. We conducted blinded studies for every test[98,99] .

   While we have previously addressed this type of reviewer feedback in our published manuscript [2–7], we appreciate the reviewer’s suggestion to include traditional genetic control experiments. In response, we conducted all feasible combinations of genetic control experiments for LMD/SMD during the revision period. The results are presented in the supplementary figures and are described in the main text.

__Comment 8. __On page 11 line 231 to page 12 line 233 the authors claim that "sNPF signaling transmits hunger and satiety information to SIFa neurons in order to control food search and feeding" and cite Martelli et al., 2017. Could the authors explain more in detail how the Martelli paper somehow proposes this idea? I do not find the link between sNPF signaling hunger and SIFamide in this precise paper.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer for accurately pointing out our misunderstanding of the references. We agree that Martelli et al.'s paper does not mention that sNPF signaling transmits hunger and satiety information to SIFa neurons. Consequently, we have removed the relevant sentence and replaced it with a statement correctly indicating that while sNPF signaling is related to feeding behavior, its connection to SIFa neurons remains unknown. We are grateful to the reviewer for acknowledging our efforts to accurately cite previous articles that support our rationale and ideas.

" Short neuropeptide F (sNPF) signaling plays a crucial role in regulating feeding behavior in Drosophila melanogaster, influencing food intake and body size [60,66,67] . However, there is currently no direct evidence reported linking sNPF signaling to SIFa neurons."

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Comment 9. On page 15 line 302 - 303 the authors write that "except for PK2-R2, all other genes coexpress with SIFa in SCope data, indicating that hugin inputs to SIFa may not be transmitted through peptidergic signaling" - if SIFamidergic neurons do not express hugin-receptors how do the authors explain the inverted effect of PK2-R2-RNAi on single housed male courtship index when compared to heterozygous SIFaPT Gal4 control that show a reduction under comparable conditions.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive comments. In line with another reviewer’s suggestion, we have completely removed results of other neuropeptidergic inputs, focusing instead on how sNPF inputs modulate SIFa-mediated behavioral modulation using more advanced techniques such as GCaMP (Fig 3N). Consequently, the phenotypes resulting from various knockdowns of neuropeptide receptors are currently under investigation for a separate manuscript that we are preparing. We hope to successfully address how different neuropeptidergic inputs regulate SIFa neuron activity through various strategies.

Comment 10. On page 17 line 350 - 351 the authors write that "Stimulation of SIFa neurons resulted in an elevation in food consumption. Further, the authors write that "deactivation of SIFa neurons leads to a decrease in food consumption in male flies". From the way this is formulated it is not visible that the role of SIFamide in feeding control was published by Martelli and colleagues before. As the authors do not discuss the finding further in their discussion but cite the concerned paper in other aspects it appears as the authors intentionally want to omit this information to the reader. The authors may add a note that this has been shown before for female flies by Martelli and colleagues.

__ Answer:__ We appreciate reviewer's concern for properly mention previous Martelli et al.'s results about female feeding behavior modulated by SIFa neurons' activity. We agree with reviewer and added sentence as below in main text.

"Nevertheless, the temporary deactivation of SIFa neurons leads to a decrease in food consumption in male flies (Fig 4N and S6F to S6H) as previously described by Martelli et al.'s report in female flies [43]."

Comment 11. SIFamide receptor and GnIHR are discussed as descendants from a common ancestor and the authors nicely demonstrate that SIFamide does not only control homeostatic behavior as shown by Martelli and colleagues but also controls reproductive behavior. The evolution of such behavior control mechanisms may be integrated in the discussion too.

Answer: We appreciate the reviewer’s constructive comments, which enhance the evolutionary significance of our study. We agree with the reviewer and have added the following paragraph to the DISCUSSION section:

"The relationship between SIFamide receptors (SIFaR) and gonadotropin inhibitory hormone receptors (GnIHR) [89] highlights an intriguing evolutionary connection, as both are believed to have descended from a common ancestor [90,91]. This study expands on previous findings by Martelli et al., demonstrating that SIFamide not only regulates homeostatic behaviors but also plays a significant role in reproductive behavior [43]. GnIHR regulates food intake and reproductive behavior in opposing directions, thereby prioritizing feeding behavior over other behavioral tasks during times of metabolic need [92]. The evolution of these behavioral control mechanisms suggests a complex interplay between neuropeptides that modulate both physiological states and reproductive strategies. As SIFamide influences various behaviors, including feeding and sexual activity, it may be integral to understanding how organisms adapt their reproductive strategies in response to environmental and internal cues. This integration of behavioral modulation underscores the evolutionary significance of SIFamide signaling in coordinating essential life functions in Drosophila melanogaster and potentially other species, revealing pathways through which neuropeptides can shape behavior across different contexts."

Conclusive Comments: The manuscript by Song and colleagues is very interesting and may attract a broad readership. However, the authors miss to make clear what was already known and published on the role of SIFamide in homeostatic behavior control before their own study. Seen that the receptors for SIFamide and GnRHI derive from a common ancestor and apparently both GnRHI and SIFamide share similar roles in behavioral control this might indeed suggests that the basic function of this SIFaR/GnIHR-signaling pathway is conserved. This more broad evolutionary aspect is missing in the discussion of the manuscript.

• *Answer: We wholeheartedly agree with the reviewer regarding the evolutionary significance of SIFaR's function in relation to GnIHR, and we have expanded the DISCUSSION section to emphasize this important aspect.

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"The relationship between SIFamide receptors (SIFaR) and gonadotropin inhibitory hormone receptors (GnIHR) [89] highlights an intriguing evolutionary connection, as both are believed to have descended from a common ancestor [90,91]. This study expands on previous findings by Martelli et al., demonstrating that SIFamide not only regulates homeostatic behaviors but also plays a significant role in reproductive behavior [43]. GnIHR regulates food intake and reproductive behavior in opposing directions, thereby prioritizing feeding behavior over other behavioral tasks during times of metabolic need [92]. The evolution of these behavioral control mechanisms suggests a complex interplay between neuropeptides that modulate both physiological states and reproductive strategies. As SIFamide influences various behaviors, including feeding and sexual activity, it may be integral to understanding how organisms adapt their reproductive strategies in response to environmental and internal cues. This integration of behavioral modulation underscores the evolutionary significance of SIFamide signaling in coordinating essential life functions in Drosophila melanogaster and potentially other species, revealing pathways through which neuropeptides can shape behavior across different contexts."

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