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      Reviewer #1 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

      This work focuses on zebrafish notochord morphogenesis during axial elongation. In particular it dissects the role of YAP signalling on regulating the balance between caudal cell addition with the cell enlargement occurring rostrally through vacuolation.

      The article is timely to the field and includes several important experiments. The overall presentation and written style are good, citations are adequate and there is a clear effort to integrate experiments and mathematical modelling from the outset. The logic behind experiments is sound and the conclusion coherent (even if not totally unexpected given the literature): YAP affects progenitor addition which in turn changes packing, vacuolation and axis length. I just have a few points that could make the article clearer and more persuasive.

      We thank the reviewer for these positive comments about our manuscript. We would like to reiterate the two main unexpected findings based on our results:

      • While YAP mutants display a defective notochord (Kimelman et al., 2017; eLife) it has not been clear what specific role that YAP signalling is playing during notochord development. Therefore, the finding that Yap signalling plays a role in controlling the rate to notochord progenitor addition and represents a novel discovery.
      • The observation that the notochord can buffer its elongation rate against an increased influx of progenitors is novel and counter intuitive. Our current understanding of tissue elongation depends on the central idea that the addition of progenitors directly impacts elongation rate. Here we show for the first time that this has minimal impact at the tissue level using the notochord as an example. Major points

      - Last section of results is difficult and confusing. After analysing vgll4b loss-of-function line, effectively over-activating YAP, the focus is on YAP inhibition using Verteporfin.

      o Concerns on Verteporfin: the molecule has been widely used to module YAP, but there are also plenty of studies suggesting it is non-specific (also degrades YAP, has 14-4-3σ dependency and induces stress). I would consider an alternative: truncated TEAD, LATS over-expression or gain-of-function phosphomimetic versions of YAP.

      o Presentation: regardless of point above, Verteporfin's role on YAP should be verified in the system. As such it is crucial to include: images of 4xGTIIC, noto and YAP stains after treatment. Only then inspect the effects on vacuolation and different treatments.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have added a supplementary figure validating the verteporfin treatment, including quantification of GFP reduction across the three tissues and quantification of notochord staining. We did not include Yap1 immunostaining data because the signal quality was insufficient for reliable analysis.

      A simple over-expression experiment will not allow the spatial and temporal control required to test our hypothesis. Yap has a known function in gastrulation, so we need experiments that allow us to perturb Yap activity only at posterior body elongation stages. This has been achieved with the vgl4b experiments shown in the manuscript, as this gene is specifically expressed in the tailbud at these stages. In addition to the full verification of verteporfin's impact on YAP activity, we feel this is sufficient evidence to support our conclusions.

      - In Fig 3F, noto HCR staining is taken as evidence for progenitor exhaustion/ faster depletion. Other scenarios would be possible without more direct demonstration. Evidence (either experimental or literature) that YAP is not involved in self-renewal or induction of these progenitors at these stages should be discussed.

      We have concluded that the smaller volume of noto expressing cells is consistent with the faster depletion of the progenitor pool based on the direct observation of increased progenitor addition rate from photo-labelling experiments (Figure 3A,B). As suggested by the reviewer, we have now quantified cell divisions within the midline progenitor population and found no significant differences between mutant and control embryos. These data have now been included in Supplementary figure 3.

      - Individual datapoints in Fig 3C and 4D should be shown.

      These data have now been added to the figures

      Additional justification is needed as to why spinal cord is the best to benchmark displacement. Additionally looking at this with respect to mesoderm migration could capture another set of progenitors and behaviour/ displacements.

      Photolabels within the pre-somitic mesoderm are difficult to interpret as the high amount of cell rearrangement in this tissue leads to a spreading out of the labelled clone in a manner that then makes it difficult to assess tissue displacement (see Figure 2D,E; Thomson et al., (2021) Cells and Development). In contrast, aprevious paper has shown that notochord-spinal cord displacements can be mapped in a reliable manner across the anterior-posterior axis which motivated our choice here (McLaren and Steventon (2021) Development).

      - Plotting vacuole area in Fig.4I vs A-P position (similar to plots 1H, 2F-H) could further strengthen the point of gradual (linear) vacuolation.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have plotted vacuole area as a function of position for the verteporfin treatment experiments, and these data have now been included in Figure 5.


      Minor points:

      - Scheme of Fig1A could benefit from having the info of zebrafish timeline (hpf)

      The scheme has been modified indicating zebrafish timeline

      - Figure 3B, what was time 0?

      Timepoints have now been included in the text and figure legend

      - The authors should address whether Verteporfin-treated mutants are rescued or whether the compound overwhelms the genetic effect.

      Given that verteporfin will impact Yap signalling in a global manner, whereas the vgl4b have a localised over-activation of Yap signalling, we think this experiment would be difficult to interpret and would likely be non-informative.

      - Cell density is an elegant measure but quite abstract. A plot of cells detected at each AP position would be quite valuable to reinforce more cells are being added to a relatively constant area.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have now plotted these data for mutant and controls and also for verteporfin treatments. These data have now been included in supplementary figures 3 and 7.

      Reviewer #1 (Significance (Required)):

      Significance included above.

      Reviewer #2 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

      Summary

      Camacho-Macorra et al. investigate the mechanisms of axis extension in zebrafish embryos, focusing on the notochord and its two key elongation processes: progenitor addition (occurring early and posteriorly) and vacuolization (occurring later and in an anterior to posterior sequence). The authors first develop a mathematical model to predict notochord elongation dynamics by integrating these processes. They demonstrate that the YAP signaling pathway is active in both the notochord and its progenitors during axial extension. Their analysis reveals that vgll4b, an inhibitor of YAP, is expressed in the same regions. Knockdown of vgll4b results in YAP hyperactivation in the notochord and posterior progenitor regions, leading to increased progenitor recruitment into the notochord and a reduction in the progenitor pool. The effects of this mutation on extension are most pronounced during the late phase, which is dominated by vacuolization. The authors observe smaller vacuoles in mutants during this phase. However, early (but not late) YAP inhibition decreases notochord cell density and increases vacuole size, suggesting that YAP primarily regulates notochord progenitor uptake, which indirectly affect vacuolization.

      Major Comments

      The authors propose that YAP activity mediates a long-range feedback mechanism linking posterior progenitor addition to anterior vacuolization. Two lines of evidence are presented to support this idea. First, there appears to be compensation for tissue length during Phase 2, when both progenitor addition and vacuolization occur. Second, temporal YAP inhibition experiments show that early, but not late, YAP inactivation affects both cell addition and vacuolization. While these observations are intriguing, they do not conclusively demonstrate spatial long-range coordination. Instead, the global decrease of vacuole size could be a simple delayed consequence of cell density increase or cell disorganization at the posterior end without involving a long-range feedback along AP axis. Claiming that such long-range feedback is taking place would require a more precise characterization and/or the identification of its nature (chemical, mechanical).

      We would like to thank this reviewer for this point, that we feel requires further clarification. As they suggest, the increased additional rate of posterior progenitors leads to a later impact on vacuolation, once these cells have reached more anterior parts of the body axis- creating an effective long-range feedback mechanism to link the two processes. However, this is not a direct propagation of a signal (mechanical or otherwise) across the length of the notochord, as may have been interpreted to be based on the previous framing of our conclusions. We have modified the title of our manuscript to place less emphasis on the 'long-range feedback', and included an additional discussion paragraph to make this point clearer.

      Furthermore, there are several caveats with the interpretations of the claims cited above. The authors do not show quantification of vacuole area using notochord cell segmentation as described in Fig 1C in vgll4b mutants at stages when progenitor addition is increased.

      This is an important point highlighted by the reviewer. We have now included analysis at 24 hpf, where we do see a significant reduction in vacuole area within the anterior part of the notochord during the buffering phase in vgl4b mutants- consistent with our model that reduced anterior vacuolation compensates for increased progenitor addition rate during this phase of notochord elongation (Figure 4E).

      The slope of internuclear distances in Supplementary Figure 4A at 27 hours post-fertilization suggests that vacuolization is initially normal (similar to wt context in Fig 1H), arguing against an early defect in vacuolation dynamics along the Anterior to Posterior axis that could compensate for extra addition of progenitors.

      We have revised Supplementary Figure 4 to present a direct comparison between mutant and control embryos at each time point analyzed. This analysis shows that within the mid-trunk region of the notochord, differences in cell size first emerge at the developmental stage when vacuolation becomes the primary driver of axis elongation. In addition, we observe a progressive decoupling of the scaling relationship in mutant embryos over time. As mentioned above- there is a significant difference in vacuole size within more anterior regions at 22.5 hpf that is consistent with the model that this is buffering against increase posterior addition.

      Finally, the timing of the analysis of the effect of Verteporfin treatments is unclear. According to the legend of Figure 4F, analyses for Treatment A (16-27 hpf) and Treatment B (27-38 hpf) were done at 24 hpf and 30 hpf, respectively. If this is the case, the 3-hour window for Treatment B may not allow sufficient time to reveal effects on vacuolization.

      We agree that the information regarding the verteporfin experiments was not clearly presented in the original figure, and we have therefore revised the schematic accordingly.

      To strengthen the claim of long-range coupling, the authors could:

      Provide direct measurements of vacuolization A-P dynamics/area during Phase 2, before the effect on notochord length in the mutant, to see if there is indeed a compensatory effect on notochord length for the additional accretion of notochord progenitors in the Vgll4b mutant.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have added an earlier time point to the A-P area dynamics plot in phase 2, corresponding to a stage at which the effect on notochord length in the mutant is not yet detectable. At this stage, we observed no difference in vacuole area between mutants and controls. We have also included an earlier time point analysis in the anterior region of the axis, which shows a similar cell size difference to that observed later in a more posterior region (Figure 4F; see above response).

      Clarify the analysis timing of Treatment B to confirm that YAP inhibition during the vacuolization phase truly has no effect.

      This has now been clarified.

      Additionally, as a non-specialist, I found the distinction between the two modeling hypotheses difficult to follow. Specifically, it is unclear why the first hypothesis assumes YAP affects vacuolation rate, while the second assumes it affects vacuolation front speed. It is also not intuitive how front speed can be independent of vacuolation rate, as one would expect that if cells form vacuoles more slowly, the front should progress more slowly as well. Therefore, it could be good to clarify these aspects of the modeling part.

      We thank the reviewer for this comment and apologise for the lack of clarity in our description of the model. In our framework, the cell size profile along the AP axis of the notochord is governed by two distinct processes: (i) the addition of progenitors at the posterior tip, and (ii) vacuolation, which increases cell size and proceeds from anterior to posterior. We model the latter as a propagating wave with velocity vf​, such that cells begin to vacuolate when the wave front reaches their position.

      Importantly, in the model these two aspects of vacuolation are decoupled: the front velocity vf​ determines when a given cell starts vacuolating, whereas the vacuolation rate J determines how fast the cell increases in size once the process has started. Biologically, this corresponds to distinguishing between the propagation of a trigger or competence signal along the tissue, and the execution of vacuole growth within each cell. Our reasoning was that they need not be strictly proportional: a signalling wave could propagate at a given speed even if the downstream cellular response is slower or faster.

      This is why we considered two alternative hypotheses: either YAP modulates the propagation of the vacuolation front (affecting vf​), or it modulates the growth dynamics within each cell (affecting J). Our quantitative comparison with the experimental data supports the former scenario. This has now been clarified in the main text.

      Minor Comments

      While the study is technically sound, a few areas could benefit from improved clarity or additional data.

      An intriguing but puzzling finding is the reduction in the noto-expressing progenitor domain in vgll4b mutants, despite elevated YAP activity in progenitors. Intuitively, if YAP promotes progenitor maintenance or expansion, one might expect the noto+ domain to increase, not shrink. This paradox suggests that YAP may not only simply maintain progenitors but instead accelerates their differentiation or migration into the notochord (as stated in the manuscript and graphical abstract). Alternatively, YAP could only deplete the noto+ pool by driving premature entry into the notochord, though the lack of clear YAP upregulation in this domain would imply a non-cell autonomous role of YAP for this interpretation. The authors should discuss these possibilities more explicitly in the Discussion section and could consider including additional markers, such as proliferation assays or apoptosis markers, to clarify whether YAP affects progenitor proliferation, differentiation, or migration.

      As also suggested by the reviewer, we have included a cell proliferation analysis in Supplementary Figure 3 and have revised the Discussion section accordingly.

      In Figure 2B, the YAP activity reporter signal in the posterior floor plate is not immediately obvious. The authors should consider providing higher-magnification insets.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have included higher-magnification insets in Figure 2

      In Figure 2C, the differences in tail shape between wild-type and mutant embryos are visually striking. If these differences have not been quantified or discussed, a brief comment in the text would be helpful.

      We did not see a consistent impact on the morphology of the posterior body, this has now been clarified in the main text.

      Supplementary Figure 6 describes embryo length differences in mutants but does not include a representative image. Adding one would strengthen the phenotypic description.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have modified Supplementary Figure 6

      Figure 1C is not cited in the text as not associated with a result, but just a description of the approach that is used later in Fig 4I

      We have modified the text to include the appropriate figure reference.

      Finally, the authors might consider citing Michaud & Pourquié (2025) when presenting the role of hydrostatic pressure in axis elongation in the Introduction.

      We have now modified the text to include this citation which we agree is relevant to this work.

      Reviewer #2 (Significance (Required)):

      This study by Camacho-Macorra et al. presents a fascinating exploration of how YAP signaling and its inhibition by vgll4b coordinate progenitor addition and vacuolization during zebrafish notochord elongation. The work is well executed, with clear results and integration of mathematical modeling and experimental data. The findings shed new light on the molecular and mechanical regulation of axis extension, a fundamental process in vertebrate development. However, while the study is innovative and rigorously conducted, the central claim of "long-range coupling" between progenitor addition and vacuolization requires further substantiation. Addressing the points discussed below will make the study more convincing and accessible to developmental biologists and mechanobiologists alike.

      reviewer expertise: developmental biologist specialised in morphogenesis

      Reviewer #3 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)):

      In the studies conducted by Camacho-Macorra et al., the authors examine the extension of the body axis is zebrafish, focusing on the notochord. They specifically compare timepoints where progenitor addition to the notochord and vacuolization are important to drive axis extension. They generate a simple mathematical model of notochord extension and show that it recapitulates observations in vivo where progenitor addition and vacuolation drive tissue elongation. They further perturb the system by showing that YAP activity is localized to the midline progenitors of the notochord where when the competitive inhibitor of YAP vgll4b is perturbed it increases YAP signaling and results in increase progenitor addition to the notochord. They further describe a possible indirect-feedback mechanism linking YAP driven progenitor addition to the notochord with anterior vacuolation which when perturbed (i.e. increased YAP) results in reduced notochord elongation.

      Major Comments:

      NA

      Minor comments:

      1.Figure 1B - please put the model equation in the figure or at least point out what variables of the equation refer to each part of the schematic.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have modified the scheme in Figure 1

      2.Figure 1F - smooth line is misleading, please include individual embryo measurement points. This comment could be applied to several figures

      We agree with the reviewer that the graphs in the original manuscript could be improved, and we have therefore modified all figures to better represent data dispersion within each group.

      3.Figure 2C/D - To make this manuscript more accessible to individuals who are not familiar with the anatomy of zebrafish tail, please include zoom in panels of the region of interest where arrows are pointing out increased YAP signaling in the floor plate and hypochord.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we have included higher-magnification insets in Figure 2

      4.In discussion - "In vgll4b mutants, increased progenitor incorporation initially does not alter overall notochord length due to a buffering mechanism for natural variation in progenitor addition" - this is not directly tested in terms of buffering for variation and is an assumption. Please either cite a paper or reword

      This point has been clarified in the revised discussion.

      Reviewer #3 (Significance (Required)):

      Overall, the logic and experiments conducted in these studies are well defined. However, the significance of the work is minimal and makes only a small contribution to the advancement of the field of developmental biology. Regardless, the studies are well done and worth publication.

      Strengths:

      -The study does a good job of incorporating and testing a computational model in a way that proves/disproves their hypothesis

      -The manuscript is well written and follows a logical order, making it easy for readers to understand the main findings

      -The study uses multiple routes of YAP inhibition (genetic and drug) to show effect on progenitor addition to the notochord and shortened body axis

      -The discussion does aa very good job of giving the context of the study's results.

      Weaknesses:

      -The study is minimal and fails to illuminate the mechanism that connects progenitor addition to vacuolization, claiming only an indirect relationship with YAP signaling. However, this is admitted by the authors and not overstated

      The study provides a minimal advancement to the field by investigating an unexplored area of zebrafish notochord extension. It provides a small step toward connecting mechanical/morphogenic mechanisms with signalling in zebrafish body axis extension.

      The audience of this work is a specialized basic research group of developmental biology scientists. The research is of particular relevance to individuals studying zebrafish or axis elongation. While the authors make comparisons to other systems, due to the unique nature of the zebrafish body extension, this generates a narrow field of focus for the manuscript.

      We have previously discussed the uniqueness of zebrafish posterior body elongation in light of critical differences in the degree to which posterior growth from self-renewing tailbud progenitor populations contribute to the mechanisms of axis elongation (Sambasivan and Steventon (2021) Frontiers in cell and dev. Biol; Steventon and Martinez Arias (2017) Developmental Biology). Here too, we think zebrafish provide an important system to explore differences in the mechanisms that drive notochord elongation, and we envisage that this study will provoke a similar cross species comparison that takes into account differences in the relative timing of progenitor addition and anterior notochord expansion (that occurs much later in amniotes, for example). It is only by considering these species-specific differences across experimental organisms that we can arrive at the fundamental principles that drive developmental processes, and how evolution has acted upon these to drive change in adult body plans. We therefore respectfully disagree with the review about the scope and importance of this work for these reasons.

      In addition, we feel that the principles by which dynamic processes are coupled across an organ are broadly applicable and will illuminate further research into understanding organ growth control.

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      Referee #3

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      In the studies conducted by Camacho-Macorra et al., the authors examine the extension of the body axis is zebrafish, focusing on the notochord. They specifically compare timepoints where progenitor addition to the notochord and vacuolization are important to drive axis extension. They generate a simple mathematical model of notochord extension and show that it recapitulates observations in vivo where progenitor addition and vacuolation drive tissue elongation. They further perturb the system by showing that YAP activity is localized to the midline progenitors of the notochord where when the competitive inhibitor of YAP vgll4b is perturbed it increases YAP signaling and results in increase progenitor addition to the notochord. They further describe a possible indirect-feedback mechanism linking YAP driven progenitor addition to the notochord with anterior vacuolation which when perturbed (i.e. increased YAP) results in reduced notochord elongation.

      Major Comments: NA

      Minor comments: 1.Figure 1B - please put the model equation in the figure or at least point out what variables of the equation refer to each part of the schematic.

      2.Figure 1F - smooth line is misleading, please include individual embryo measurement points. This comment could be applied to several figures

      3.Figure 2C/D - To make this manuscript more accessible to individuals who are not familiar with the anatomy of zebrafish tail, please include zoom in panels of the region of interest where arrows are pointing out increased YAP signaling in the floor plate and hypochord.

      4.In discussion - "In vgll4b mutants, increased progenitor incorporation initially does not alter overall notochord length due to a buffering mechanism for natural variation in progenitor addition" - this is not directly tested in terms of buffering for variation and is an assumption. Please either cite a paper or reword

      Significance

      Overall, the logic and experiments conducted in these studies are well defined. However, the significance of the work is minimal and makes only a small contribution to the advancement of the field of developmental biology. Regardless, the studies are well done and worth publication.

      Strengths:

      • The study does a good job of incorporating and testing a computational model in a way that proves/disproves their hypothesis
      • The manuscript is well written and follows a logical order, making it easy for readers to understand the main findings
      • The study uses multiple routes of YAP inhibition (genetic and drug) to show effect on progenitor addition to the notochord and shortened body axis
      • The discussion does aa very good job of giving the context of the study's results.

      Weaknesses:

      • The study is minimal and fails to illuminate the mechanism that connects progenitor addition to vacuolization, claiming only an indirect relationship with YAP signaling. However, this is admitted by the authors and not overstated

      The study provides a minimal advancement to the field by investigating an unexplored area of zebrafish notochord extension. It provides a small step toward connecting mechanical/morphogenic mechanisms with signalling in zebrafish body axis extension.

      The audience of this work is a specialized basic research group of developmental biology scientists. The research is of particular relevance to individuals studying zebrafish or axis elongation. While the authors make comparisons to other systems, due to the unique nature of the zebrafish body extension, this generates a narrow field of focus for the manuscript.

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      Referee #2

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary

      Camacho-Macorra et al. investigate the mechanisms of axis extension in zebrafish embryos, focusing on the notochord and its two key elongation processes: progenitor addition (occurring early and posteriorly) and vacuolization (occurring later and in an anterior to posterior sequence). The authors first develop a mathematical model to predict notochord elongation dynamics by integrating these processes. They demonstrate that the YAP signaling pathway is active in both the notochord and its progenitors during axial extension. Their analysis reveals that vgll4b, an inhibitor of YAP, is expressed in the same regions. Knockdown of vgll4b results in YAP hyperactivation in the notochord and posterior progenitor regions, leading to increased progenitor recruitment into the notochord and a reduction in the progenitor pool. The effects of this mutation on extension are most pronounced during the late phase, which is dominated by vacuolization. The authors observe smaller vacuoles in mutants during this phase. However, early (but not late) YAP inhibition decreases notochord cell density and increases vacuole size, suggesting that YAP primarily regulates notochord progenitor uptake, which indirectly affect vacuolization.

      Major Comments

      The authors propose that YAP activity mediates a long-range feedback mechanism linking posterior progenitor addition to anterior vacuolization. Two lines of evidence are presented to support this idea. First, there appears to be compensation for tissue length during Phase 2, when both progenitor addition and vacuolization occur. Second, temporal YAP inhibition experiments show that early, but not late, YAP inactivation affects both cell addition and vacuolization. While these observations are intriguing, they do not conclusively demonstrate spatial long-range coordination. Instead, the global decrease of vacuole size could be a simple delayed consequence of cell density increase or cell disorganization at the posterior end without involving a long-range feedback along AP axis. Claiming that such long-range feedback is taking place would require a more precise characterization and/or the identification of its nature (chemical, mechanical). Furthermore, there are several caveats with the interpretations of the claims cited above. The authors do not show quantification of vacuole area using notochord cell segmentation as described in Fig 1C in vgll4b mutants at stages when progenitor addition is increased. The slope of internuclear distances in Supplementary Figure 4A at 27 hours post-fertilization suggests that vacuolization is initially normal (similar to wt context in Fig 1H), arguing against an early defect in vacuolation dynamics along the Anterior to Posterior axis that could compensate for extra addition of progenitors. Finally, the timing of the analysis of the effect of Verteporfin treatments is unclear. According to the legend of Figure 4F, analyses for Treatment A (16-27 hpf) and Treatment B (27-38 hpf) were done at 24 hpf and 30 hpf, respectively. If this is the case, the 3-hour window for Treatment B may not allow sufficient time to reveal effects on vacuolization. To strengthen the claim of long-range coupling, the authors could: Provide direct measurements of vacuolization A-P dynamics/area during Phase 2, before the effect on notochord length in the mutant, to see if there is indeed a compensatory effect on notochord length for the additional accretion of notochord progenitors in the Vgll4b mutant. Clarify the analysis timing of Treatment B to confirm that YAP inhibition during the vacuolization phase truly has no effect. Additionally, as a non-specialist, I found the distinction between the two modeling hypotheses difficult to follow. Specifically, it is unclear why the first hypothesis assumes YAP affects vacuolation rate, while the second assumes it affects vacuolation front speed. It is also not intuitive how front speed can be independent of vacuolation rate, as one would expect that if cells form vacuoles more slowly, the front should progress more slowly as well. Therefore, it could be good to clarify these aspects of the modeling part.

      Minor Comments

      While the study is technically sound, a few areas could benefit from improved clarity or additional data. An intriguing but puzzling finding is the reduction in the noto-expressing progenitor domain in vgll4b mutants, despite elevated YAP activity in progenitors. Intuitively, if YAP promotes progenitor maintenance or expansion, one might expect the noto+ domain to increase, not shrink. This paradox suggests that YAP may not only simply maintain progenitors but instead accelerates their differentiation or migration into the notochord (as stated in the manuscript and graphical abstract). Alternatively, YAP could only deplete the noto+ pool by driving premature entry into the notochord, though the lack of clear YAP upregulation in this domain would imply a non-cell autonomous role of YAP for this interpretation. The authors should discuss these possibilities more explicitly in the Discussion section and could consider including additional markers, such as proliferation assays or apoptosis markers, to clarify whether YAP affects progenitor proliferation, differentiation, or migration. In Figure 2B, the YAP activity reporter signal in the posterior floor plate is not immediately obvious. The authors should consider providing higher-magnification insets. In Figure 2C, the differences in tail shape between wild-type and mutant embryos are visually striking. If these differences have not been quantified or discussed, a brief comment in the text would be helpful. Supplementary Figure 6 describes embryo length differences in mutants but does not include a representative image. Adding one would strengthen the phenotypic description. Figure 1C is not cited in the text as not associated with a result, but just a description of the approach that is used later in Fig 4I Finally, the authors might consider citing Michaud & Pourquié (2025) when presenting the role of hydrostatic pressure in axis elongation in the Introduction.

      Significance

      This study by Camacho-Macorra et al. presents a fascinating exploration of how YAP signaling and its inhibition by vgll4b coordinate progenitor addition and vacuolization during zebrafish notochord elongation. The work is well executed, with clear results and integration of mathematical modeling and experimental data. The findings shed new light on the molecular and mechanical regulation of axis extension, a fundamental process in vertebrate development. However, while the study is innovative and rigorously conducted, the central claim of "long-range coupling" between progenitor addition and vacuolization requires further substantiation. Addressing the points discussed below will make the study more convincing and accessible to developmental biologists and mechanobiologists alike.

      reviewer expertise: developmental biologist specialised in morphogenesis

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      This work focuses on zebrafish notochord morphogenesis during axial elongation. In particular it dissects the role of YAP signalling on regulating the balance between caudal cell addition with the cell enlargement occurring rostrally through vacuolation.

      The article is timely to the field and includes several important experiments. The overall presentation and written style are good, citations are adequate and there is a clear effort to integrate experiments and mathematical modelling from the outset. The logic behind experiments is sound and the conclusion coherent (even if not totally unexpected given the literature): YAP affects progenitor addition which in turn changes packing, vacuolation and axis length. I just have a few points that could make the article clearer and more persuasive.

      Major points

      • Last section of results is difficult and confusing. After analysing vgll4b loss-of-function line, effectively over-activating YAP, the focus is on YAP inhibition using Verteporfin.
        • Concerns on Verteporfin: the molecule has been widely used to module YAP, but there are also plenty of studies suggesting it is non-specific (also degrades YAP, has 14-4-3σ dependency and induces stress). I would consider an alternative: truncated TEAD, LATS over-expression or gain-of-function phosphomimetic versions of YAP.
        • Presentation: regardless of point above, Verteporfin's role on YAP should be verified in the system. As such it is crucial to include: images of 4xGTIIC, noto and YAP stains after treatment. Only then inspect the effects on vacuolation and different treatments.
      • In Fig 3F, noto HCR staining is taken as evidence for progenitor exhaustion/ faster depletion. Other scenarios would be possible without more direct demonstration. Evidence (either experimental or literature) that YAP is not involved in self-renewal or induction of these progenitors at these stages should be discussed.
      • Individual datapoints in Fig 3C and 4D should be shown. Additional justification is needed as to why spinal cord is the best to benchmark displacement. Additionally looking at this with respect to mesoderm migration could capture another set of progenitors and behaviour/ displacements.
      • Plotting vacuole area in Fig.4I vs A-P position (similar to plots 1H, 2F-H) could further strengthen the point of gradual (linear) vacuolation.

      Minor points:

      • Scheme of Fig1A could benefit from having the info of zebrafish timeline (hpf)
      • Figure 3B, what was time 0?
      • The authors should address whether Verteporfin-treated mutants are rescued or whether the compound overwhelms the genetic effect.
      • Cell density is an elegant measure but quite abstract. A plot of cells detected at each AP position would be quite valuable to reinforce more cells are being added to a relatively constant area.

      Significance

      Significance included above.

    1. 38

      The title "38" is significant because it represents the number of Dakota men who were hanged. By using this title, the author emphasizes both the specific scale of this event and the individual lives lost, showing deep sympathy for those who were killed.

    1. Crazy fragmentation of the 28S rRNA has been observed outside of the animal kingdom. The algae Euglena gracilis splits its 28S into 13 (!!!) separate chunks, and mitoribosomes from several organisms also feature fragmented rRNAs. I don't think there's been much characterization of the translational fidelity, etc of these ribosomes; they might provide starting points for future engineering efforts in this direction. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0022-2836(05)80096-8

      https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-021-27200-z

    1. People don't want infinite choice anymore; they want fewer decisions inside places where someone has already thrown out the worst options.

      Reminds me of an experiment summarized in Barry Schwartz's Paradox of Choice. As I recall it, grocery store customers were divided into 2 groups - one group saw shelves upon shelves of different jams and jellies; the other group saw about 4 kinds of jelly. Everyone agreed that the store with more options must be the better store. But the people presented with fewer options said they had a better shopping experience.

      And they bought more jelly.

    2. A Costco-shaped creator wouldn't post every half-formed thought chasing reach. They'd become a reliable filter. Their audience would trust their judgement because they show restraint, and in a world of constant output restraint becomes a signal.

      Reminds me of 2 posts by Maya C. Popa: Want to write better poems? Stop sharing them so quickly. and [Three poems I cut from my next book] (https://mayacpopa.substack.com/p/three-poems-i-cut-from-my-next-book). I say this as someone who's not afraid of "first thought best thought" creativity, but that does need to be balanced by thinking realistically about one's goals.

    1. Even though every state has a Medicaid HCBS program, the majority of older adults aren’t eligible for those services. They make too much to qualify for the public program, but not enough to afford it on their own.

      This text highly emphasis the coverage gap many Americans face. They make just enough but are still ineligible for Medicaid services, many patients' or family caregivers are then forced to pay out of pocket for services which can be a financial burden in some families.

    2. Black and Hispanic older adults who need LTSS are one-and-half times more likely to be without corresponding care support than older white adults, yet are less likely to receive paid help, instead relying heavily on family and friends

      This is a disparity prominent in all aspects of healthcare. My capstone project focuses on disparities between women of high and low income and this correlates with the same theme, that based on patients' SDOH are largely influenced with the quality of care they receive. I feel like this is an injustice that the country/government needs to work on.

    3. These caregivers are taking on more complex and intensive responsibilities, facing emotional strain, financial stress, and social isolation

      I have personally experienced how family caregivers can also experience burnout. Family members are at a greater risk of experiencing burnout while handling loved ones emotional, financial and health. This is often done without the guidance of professionals, which can also create more stress which can negatively affect both patient and caregiver quality of care.

    1. ἐλευθεροπρεπὲς δὲ ἡ ἀρετή

      “But virtue is the mark of true freedom.” “But virtue is noble and worthy of a free person.”

    1. Does the effect on test scores of decreasing the student-teacher ratio depend on the fraction of English learners when we control for economic idiosyncrasies of the different districts?

      Hard to understand sentence

    1. practice. If you send well under roughly 100,000 emails a month, stay on a good shared pool and put your energy into engagement and consistency, not into buying a private lane you cannot fill. Move to a dedicated IP only when your volume is high and steady enough to keep it busy, and even then warm it slowly, to your

      Also if you don't have the time to manage the deliverability of your actual domain the last thing you need is to be adding deliverability management on an IP it's way more work you need to be consistent you can just radically be sending out your emails the way you're sending them out now just because you wanna dedicate pay through that like if you have no one to manage email liability I mean maybe having your own IP is not a good idea I mean the email service providers like male trip or whatevyeah fine they can give an IP and they manage some things but that's about it they don't give you blood monitoring tools they don't help you stay out of the spam box they just give you NIP and then say good luck more or less

    2. not single causes

      This is true this is not only something about liability the same thing about statistics you can look at statistic and see oh my God my rates were getting higher or bigger and it's like yeah well did you upload a list that be the filters checking do you have reputation just checking or did you try something new then maybe everything is working well and you did something really good you should analyze it further you know email is a lot of things together showing on the deliverability side the sending side of the marketing side the content inside the engagement side the RY side the conversion rate side the goal side all mixed together and all of it is going to help with liability strategy money and etc. so people need to understand that yeah maybe we give a fact like people don't tel who's reported the email is spam but that also means that the inbox that do show the spam complaint maybe it can be extrapolated with like averages to the other inboxes right so that if a specific inbox it does give you feedback loops says 2% real for complaining we can extrapolate that other way but then there's the opposite where people with an inbox engaging more so that inbox likes you more than the inbox that has less engagement and that can just be random some things are just fucking random sometimes it works with somebody and somebody else that doesn't work for so it's important to understand things are moody and difficult and hard to pinpoint but on average which is where we're making decision decisions things are going well as long as we're legal we're logical we're thinking about it then it's gonna be fine and if it's not fine then I bet you it's something weird that nobody thought about but the one you find out about you like it sounds so granular or weird after all

    3. Prove it yourself. Pull last month's sends. Put opens next to clicks and replies, and watch how often a big open rate sits right beside silence.

      I don't know about this prove it I mean also what does it mean you know specifically to look at open rates and silence it could be like you know how do you see some emails on high open rates but low turnover or open at the same time as deliverability issues or you know if you look at your open rates for provider you're gonna see some providers are like really really low and some are really really high is that a provide kind of way of looking at emails or do people using Microsoft in case differently with you you know I don't know if this is the best prove yourself but I know it's hard a lot of them I don't agree with or I just don't have a better idea right now so we can think about this as well and the go deeper I think there's a little bit more links that we can add but yeah

    4. but not necessarily a food report your email is strong because again all this information is provided to you in a safe manner for them so that they can hold some secrets and not have responsible there is like circumvented because they gave too much of a secret sauce right that as w so that's why it's so important to monitor deliverability with real tools right not like warm or shit I got like real monitoring tools and then tickle data and shit together in order to understand if your reputation is doing well or not each one of these should not live in silo it should be constantly monitored if you're constantly monitoring your open rates you should also be monitoring your son of reputation right

    5. nce 2024, Google and Yahoo require SPF and DKIM and DMARC together for bulk senders, alongside one-click unsubscribe and a low complaint rate. Microsoft joined them in 2025. The three biggest inboxe

      Isn't the actual truth that you need to you need Denmark and either SPF or DKIM

    6. cks a flag at the back of the ship. The name on the bow is DMARC's watch. Skip it and spoofers walk in dressed as you. -- Sigil

      I don't really like the quote maybe something else also she has a lot of energy or whatever like her voice is like detail or a person that is ready to do the dirty work but we don't always have to talk about like the email thing itself sometimes we should the quote should be emailed stuff but sometimes the quote can just be something that kind of gives the ethos of protecting a domain in the sentence for example or ensuring that the email or the cargo received actually came from the person in the package says or whatever

    7. When you to ensure that when people see something let's say they've never seen these terms before or I mean for them email is write some stuff and send it we need to ensure the people understand it so what it is for the truth is like random like SPF guards hidden address what does that mean you know they don't really care about the header at this particular moment and also we're saying it's protection but there's a limit right so the truth needs to show like you know what the truth is in the SPS to go from schooling from name it is stop boxes and makes a difference between you and somebody else who's pretending to be you right so by adding SPF you're protecting yourself like I understand some things we can't explain all the time so we have to put a tool tip over the word right so the people can select it and then at the bottom where it says go deeper we can have a list of your else or questions from the email almanac that are relevant and people can breathe here and maybe we can't even create a view of the email almanac where all these questions that we told people to read did I get bundled up together so people can go and read them one shot like next next snack or I don't know how the logic work because I know that for SCO we can help duplicate pages but some of these like I gave them to my VA and she had to Google what these things are that's defeats the purpose and I get that it's a quiz but if we're giving so much information as well make it valuable

    1. see page of the book.

      This doesn't make sense. What page?

      When the dependent variable in logarithm, one cannot simply use elog(⋅) to transform predictions back to the original scale, see page of the book.

    1. eLife Assessment

      This study provides an important assessment of how body size influences the occurrence of macro-organisms in urban areas across the globe. Size in most plants, but only some animal families, was positively associated with urban affinity. The data set is impressive and the strength of evidence solid.

    2. Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      I have completed a thorough review of this paper, which seeks to use the large datasets of species occurrences available through GBIF to estimate variation in how large numbers of plant and animal species are associated with urbanization throughout the world, describing what they call the "species urbanness distribution" or SUD. They explore how these SUDs differ between regions and different taxonomic levels. They then calculate a measure of urban tolerance and seek to explore whether organism size predicts variation in tolerance among species and across regions.

      The study is impressive in many respects. Over the course of several papers, Callaghan and coauthors have been leaders in using "big [biodiversity] data" to create metrics of how species' occurrence data are associated with urban environments, and in describing variation in urban tolerance among taxa and regions. This work has been creative, novel, and it has pushed the boundaries of understanding how urbanization affects a wide diversity of taxa. The current paper takes this to a new level by performing analyses on over 94000 observations from >30,000 species of plants and animals, across more than 370 plant and animal taxonomic families. All of these analyses were focused on answering two main questions:<br /> (1) What is the shape of species' urban tolerance distributions within regional communities?<br /> (2) Does body size consistently correlate with species' urban tolerance across taxonomic groups and biogeographic contexts?

      Overall, I think the questions are interesting and important, the size and scope of the data and analyses are impressive, and this paper has a potentially large contribution to make in pushing forward urban macroecology specifically and urban ecology and evolution more generally.

      Despite my enthusiasm for this paper and its potential impact, there are aspects that could be improved, and I believe the paper requires major revision.

      Some of these revisions ideally involve being clearer about the methodology or arguments being made. In other cases, I think their metrics of urban tolerance are flawed and need to be rethought and recalculated, and some of the conclusions are inaccurate. I hope the authors will address these comments carefully and thoroughly. I recognize that there is no obligation for authors to make revisions. However, revising the paper along the lines of the comments made below would increase the impact of the paper and its clarity to a broad readership.

      Major Comments:

      (1) Subrealms

      Where does the concept of "subrealms" come from? No citation is given, and it could be said that this sounds like an idea straight out of Middle Earth. How do subrealms relate to known bioclimatic designations like Koppen Climate classifications, which would arguably be more appropriate? Or are subrealms more socio-ecologically oriented? From what I can tell, each subrealm lumps together climatically diverse areas. It might be better and more tractable to break things in terms of continents, as the rationale for subrealms is unclear, and it makes the analyses and results more confusing. The authors rationalized the use of subrealms to account for potential intraspecific differences in species' response to urbanization, but that is never a core part of the questions or interpretation in the paper, and averaging across subrealms also accounts for intraspecific variation. Another issue with using the subrealm approach is that the authors only included a species if it had 100 observations in a given subrealm, leading to a focus on only the most common species, which may be biased in their SUD distribution. How many more species would be included if they did their analysis at the continental or global scale, and would this change the shape of SUDs?

      (2) Methods - urban score

      The authors describe their "urban score" as being calculated as "the mean of the distribution of VIIRS values as a relative species-specific measure of a response to urban land cover."

      I don't understand how this is a "relative species-specific measure". What is it relative to? Figures S4 and S5 show the mean distribution of VIIRS for various taxa, and this mean looks to be an absolute measure. Mean VIIRS for a given species would be fine and appropriate as an "urban score", but the authors then state in the next sentence: "this urban score represents the relative ranking of that species to other species in response to urban land cover".

      That doesn't follow from the description of how this is calculated. Something is missing here. Please clarify and add an explicit equation for how the urban score is calculated because the text is unclear and confusing.

      (3) Methods - urban tolerance

      How the authors are defining and calculating tolerance is unclear, confusing, and flawed in my opinion.

      Tolerance is a common concept in ecology, evolution, and physiology, typically defined as the ability for an organism to maintain some measure of performance (e.g., fitness, growth, physiological homeostasis) in the presence versus absence of some stressor. As one example, in the herbivory literature, tolerance is often measured as the absolute or relative difference in fitness of plants that are damaged versus undamaged (e.g., https://academic.oup.com/evolut/article/62/9/2429/6853425?login=true).

      On line 309, after describing the calculation of urban scores across subrealms, they write: "Therefore, a species could be represented across multiple subrealms with differing measures of urban tolerance (Fig. S4). Importantly, this continuous metric of urban tolerance is a relative measure of a species' preference, or affinity, to urban areas: it should be interpreted only within each subrealm".

      This is problematic on several fronts. First, the authors never define what they mean by the term "tolerance". Second, they refer to urban tolerance throughout the paper, but don't describe the calculation until lines 315-319, where they write (text in [ ] is from the reviewer):

      "Within each subrealm, we further accounted for the potential of different levels of urbanization by scaling each species' urban score by subtracting the mean VIIRS of all observations in the subrealm (this value is hereafter referred to as urban tolerance). This 'urban tolerance' (Fig. S5) value can be negative - when species under-occupy urban areas [relative to the average across all species] suggesting they actively avoid them-or positive-when species over-occupy urban areas [relative to the average across all species] suggesting they prefer them (i.e., ranging from urban avoiders to urban exploiters, respectively).<br /> They are taking a relativized urban score and then subtracting the mean VIIRS of all observations across species in a subrealm. How exactly one interprets the magnitude isn't clear and they admit this metric is "not interpretative across subrealms".

      This is not a true measure of tolerance, at least not in the conventional sense of how tolerance is typically defined. The problem is that a species distribution isn't being compared to some metric of urbanness, but instead it is relative to other species' urban scores, where species may, on average, be highly urban or highly nonurban in their distribution, and this may vary from subrealm to subrealm. A measure of urban tolerance should be independent of how other species are responding, and should be interpretable across subrealms, continents, and the globe.

      I propose the authors use one of two metrics of urban tolerance:

      (i) Absolute Urban Tolerance = Mean VIIRS of species_i - Mean VIIRS of city centers<br /> Here, the mean VIIRS of city centers could be taken from the center of multiple cities throughout a subrealm, across a continent, or across the world. Here, the units are in the original VIIRS units where 0 would correspond to species being centered on the most extreme urban habitats, and the most extreme negative values would correspond to species that occupy the most non-urban habitats (i.e., no artificial light at night). In essence, this measure of tolerance would quantify how far a species' distribution is shifted relative to the most highly urbanized habitat available.

      (ii) % Urban Tolerance = (Mean VIIRS of species_i - Mean VIIRS of city centers)/MeanVIIRS of city centers * 100%<br /> This metric provides a % change in species mean VIIRS distribution relative to the most urban habitats. This value could theoretically be negative or positive, but will typically be negative, with -100% being completely non-urban, and 0% being completely urban tolerant.

      Both of these metrics can be compared across the world, as it would provide either absolute (equation 1) or relative (equation 2) metrics of urban tolerance that are comparable and easily interpretable in any region.

      In summary, the definition of tolerance should be clear, the metric should be a true measure of tolerance that is comparable across regions, and an equation should be given.

      (4) Figure 1: The figure does not stand alone. For example, what is the hypothesis for thermophily or the temperature-size rule? The authors should expand the legend slightly to make the hypotheses being illustrated clearer.

      (5) SUDs: I don't agree with the conclusion given on line 83 ("pattern was consistent across subrealms and several taxonomic levels") or in the legend of Figure 2 ("there were consistent patterns for kingdoms, classes, and orders, as shown by generally similar density histograms shapes for each of these").

      The shapes of the curves are quite different, especially for the two Kingdoms and the different classes. I agree they are relatively consistent for the different taxonomic Orders of insects.

      Comments on revised version:

      I believe their response is thorough and thoughtful. I still disagree with them on some fundamental points of their methodology. However, I would prefer to let my review and their response stand as is. This will allow engaged readers to see both sides of the arguments and judge for themselves whether they believe the revisions are sufficient and if my concerns are valid.

    3. Author response:

      The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.

      eLife Assessment

      This study provides an important assessment of how body size influences the occurrence of macro-organisms in urban areas across the globe. Size in most plants, but only some animal families, was positively associated with urban tolerance. The data set is impressive, but the evidence for broad-scale conclusions is incomplete due to methodological issues that need to be resolved.

      We have substantially revised the manuscript to resolve the methodological issues raised, including clarifying the definition, calculation, and interpretation of urban affinity (formerly named urban tolerance), and tightening the scope of our conclusions to align directly with the evidence presented.

      Public Reviews:

      Reviewer #1 (Public review):

      Summary:

      The authors integrate multiple large databases to test whether body sizes were positively associated with which species tolerate urban areas. In general, many plant families showed a positive association between body size and urban tolerance, whereas a smaller, though still non-trivial, percentage of animal families showed the same pattern. Notably, the authors are careful in the interpretation of their findings and provide helpful context for the ways that this analysis can be generative in shaping new hypotheses and theory around how urbanization influences biodiversity at large. They are careful to discuss how body size is an important trait, but the absence of a relationship between body size and urban tolerance in many families suggests a variety of other traits undergird urban success.

      We appreciate this thoughtful and balanced assessment of our work and fully agree with the reviewer’s interpretation. In particular, we share the view that the heterogeneous and often weak association between body size and urban affinity across many families is an important result in its own right, underscoring that no single trait is likely to explain urban success across the tree of life. As the reviewer notes, our intention was not to present body size as a universal predictor, but rather as a widely available, integrative trait that can help reveal where general patterns do and do not emerge. We view the lack of a consistent relationship in many families as strong motivation for future work that explicitly integrates additional functional traits and ecological contexts, and we have clarified this perspective in the revised manuscript.

      Strengths:

      The authors aggregated a large dataset, but they also applied robust filters to ensure they had an adequate and representative number of detections for a given species, family, geography, etc. The authors also applied their analysis at multiple taxonomic scales (family and order), which allowed for a better interpretation of the patterns in the data and at what taxonomic scale body size might be important.

      We thank the reviewer for highlighting these strengths of the study. Considerable effort went into assembling, harmonizing, and filtering these data across taxa, regions, and taxonomic resolutions, and we were deliberate in applying conservative thresholds to ensure that species-level urban affinity estimates were based on adequate and comparable sampling. We hope that, beyond the specific results presented here, the compiled dataset and analytical framework will serve as a valuable resource for future studies aiming to explore additional traits, taxa, or mechanisms underlying species’ responses to urbanization.

      Weaknesses:

      My main concern is that it is not fully clear how the measure of body size might influence the result. The authors were unable to obtain consistent measures of body size (mean, median, maximum, or sex variation). This, of course, could be very consequential as means and medians can differ quite a bit, and they certainly will differ substantially from a maximum. And of course, sex differences can be marked in multiple directions or absent altogether. The authors do note that they selected the measure that was most common in a family, but it was not clear whether species in that family that did not have that measure were removed or not. This could potentially shape the variability in the dataset and obscure true patterns. This may require additional clarity from the authors and is also a real constraint in compiling large data from disparate sources.

      We appreciate this important point and agree that heterogeneity in how body size is measured (e.g., mean vs. maximum values, sex-specific measures) is a real but unavoidable challenge when compiling organismal trait data across such a broad taxonomic scope. We would like to clarify that our analytical approach was explicitly designed to minimize the influence of this heterogeneity rather than ignore it. Specifically, for each family we retained all species for which at least one body size estimate was available, rather than removing species that lacked a particular measurement type. When multiple body size measures existed for a species, we selected the measurement type that was most commonly available within that family in order to maximize comparability among species while retaining sample size. Importantly, differences among body size measurement types (including units, measurement detail, and whether values reflected means, maxima, or sex-specific estimates) were further accounted for by (i) log-transforming all body size values and (ii) centering and scaling body size values within each measurement type, which was included as a random effect in the hierarchical models. This approach reduces the influence of systematic differences among measurement types on estimated relationships with urban affinity. We have added a sentence to the methods clarifying that species with a single measurement type were not removed from analyses:

      “Importantly, this procedure did not result in the exclusion of species lacking a particular body size measurement type; rather, all species with at least one available body size estimate were retained, with measurement heterogeneity explicitly accounted for through hierarchical modeling.”

      We agree that variation in body size definitions may still contribute residual noise and potentially obscure weak relationships, and we now emphasize this more clearly as a limitation of large-scale trait syntheses. However, because our primary inference focuses on the presence, absence, and direction of size–urban affinity relationships across families, rather than precise effect sizes, we believe our approach provides a robust and conservative test of whether body size consistently predicts urban affinity across taxa. We highlight this point in the limitations section of our manuscript:

      “One important limitation of our synthesis is the heterogeneity in how body size is measured across taxa, including differences among mean, maximum, and sex-specific estimates. While our analytical framework explicitly accounts for this variation through transformation, scaling, and hierarchical modeling with random intercepts (see Methods), residual measurement noise may still obscure weak size–urban affinity relationships. This challenge is inherent to large-scale trait syntheses that integrate data from disparate sources, and highlights the need for continued efforts to standardize trait databases and expand the availability of harmonized organismal trait data across the tree of life.”

      Reviewer #2 (Public review):

      I have completed a thorough review of this paper, which seeks to use the large datasets of species occurrences available through GBIF to estimate variation in how large numbers of plant and animal species are associated with urbanization throughout the world, describing what they call the "species urbanness distribution" or SUD. They explore how these SUDs differ between regions and different taxonomic levels. They then calculate a measure of urban tolerance and seek to explore whether organism size predicts variation in tolerance among species and across regions.

      The study is impressive in many respects. Over the course of several papers, Callaghan and coauthors have been leaders in using "big [biodiversity] data" to create metrics of how species' occurrence data are associated with urban environments, and in describing variation in urban tolerance among taxa and regions. This work has been creative, novel, and it has pushed the boundaries of understanding how urbanization affects a wide diversity of taxa. The current paper takes this to a new level by performing analyses on over 94000 observations from >30,000 species of plants and animals, across more than 370 plant and animal taxonomic families. All of these analyses were focused on answering two main questions:

      (1) What is the shape of species' urban tolerance distributions within regional communities?

      (2) Does body size consistently correlate with species' urban tolerance across taxonomic groups and biogeographic contexts?

      We thank the reviewer for their careful reading of the manuscript and for this generous and accurate summary of the study’s aims, scope, and contributions. We appreciate the recognition of our group’s broader body of work using large biodiversity databases to quantify species’ associations with urban environments, and we are grateful for the reviewer’s acknowledgement that this study extends those efforts to an unprecedented taxonomic and geographic scale. We agree with the reviewer’s articulation of the two core questions motivating the paper, and we have revised the manuscript to ensure that these questions are stated clearly and addressed consistently throughout.

      Overall, I think the questions are interesting and important, the size and scope of the data and analyses are impressive, and this paper has a potentially large contribution to make in pushing forward urban macroecology specifically and urban ecology and evolution more generally.

      Thanks! We see this work as an effort to move beyond species-by-species descriptions of urban responses toward a community- and distribution-level perspective, where the shape of species’ urban associations themselves becomes an object of study. By framing species’ distributions along an urbanization gradient as a collective property of regional species pools, our approach opens a complementary way of thinking about how urbanization filters biodiversity.

      Despite my enthusiasm for this paper and its potential impact, there are aspects that could be improved, and I believe the paper requires major revision.

      Some of these revisions ideally involve being clearer about the methodology or arguments being made. In other cases, I think their metrics of urban tolerance are flawed and need to be rethought and recalculated, and some of the conclusions are inaccurate. I hope the authors will address these comments carefully and thoroughly. I recognize that there is no obligation for authors to make revisions. However, revising the paper along the lines of the comments made below would increase the impact of the paper and its clarity to a broad readership.

      We appreciate the detailed comments provided and have addressed each point in turn - see detailed responses below. We took these concerns seriously and undertook a substantial revision of the manuscript. In summary, we clarified the conceptual framing of “urban tolerance” (now referred to as “urban affinity”), explicitly defined the metric and its interpretation, added equations and a step-by-step methodological roadmap, and expanded justification for our regional stratification. Where appropriate, we refined language in the Results and Discussion to ensure conclusions are tightly aligned with what the metric can and cannot support. We agree that these revisions materially improve the clarity, rigor, and interpretability of the study, and we appreciate the reviewer’s perspective on how doing so strengthens the paper’s contribution and accessibility to a broad readership.

      Major Comments:

      (1) Subrealms

      Where does the concept of "subrealms" come from? No citation is given, and it could be said that this sounds like an idea straight out of Middle Earth. How do subrealms relate to known bioclimatic designations like Koppen Climate classifications, which would arguably be more appropriate? Or are subrealms more socio-ecologically oriented? From what I can tell, each subrealm lumps together climatically diverse areas. It might be better and more tractable to break things in terms of continents, as the rationale for subrealms is unclear, and it makes the analyses and results more confusing. The authors rationalized the use of subrealms to account for potential intraspecific differences in species' response to urbanization, but that is never a core part of the questions or interpretation in the paper, and averaging across subrealms also accounts for intraspecific variation. Another issue with using the subrealm approach is that the authors only included a species if it had 100 observations in a given subrealm, leading to a focus on only the most common species, which may be biased in their SUD distribution. How many more species would be included if they did their analysis at the continental or global scale, and would this change the shape of SUDs?

      We thank the reviewer for raising this point and agree that the rationale for using subrealms required clearer explanation. Next to allowing potential intraspecific differences in urban affinity across regions, our subrealm-based approach also provides a practical way to partition global biodiversity into ecologically meaningful regional assemblages while maintaining sufficient sample sizes for analysis. Urban affinity is likely to vary geographically within species due to differences in climate, habitat availability, urban form, and evolutionary history. By calculating urban affinity within subrealms rather than globally, our approach allows species to exhibit region-specific urban affinities while ensuring that comparisons are made among species co-occurring within the same regional ecological context. We have substantially revised the Methods to explicitly define subrealms, cite their origin, and clarify why this spatial stratification is appropriate for our study:

      “Accounting for geographic context through subrealm stratification

      To account for geographic heterogeneity in both species’ distributions and the baseline levels of urbanization, we stratified our analyses by global biogeographic subrealms (N=52; Fig. S1). Subrealms represent an intermediate hierarchical level within the One Earth [82] (https://www.oneearth.org/bioregions/) bioregionalization framework, grouping the 185 terrestrial bioregions into broader units that reflect shared species pools and ecological contexts while maintaining meaningful regional structure. This scale represents a practical compromise between analyzing data at the finer bioregion level (which would result in many regions with insufficient observations for robust analysis) and broader classifications such as continents or the 14 biogeographic realms, which aggregate ecologically distinct regions and species pools. This regionalization has been widely used in macroecological and biogeographic research to contextualize species–environment relationships because subrealms capture meaningful gradients in biotic assemblages that are not accounted for by climatic classifications alone [83,84].

      This stratification allows species’ associations with urban environments to be interpreted relative to the environments available within the regions they occupy. This is important, as previous work has shown that species’ responses to urbanization are constrained by biogeographic context, because regional species pools reflect shared evolutionary, ecological, and historical filters [23]. Previous work has also shown that urban associations among species are context-dependent, and interpreting species’ responses without accounting for regional baselines conflates availability of urban environments with species’ affinity to them. This distinction is critical because identical levels of urbanization (e.g., VIIRS radiance) can have different ecological meanings across regions with different species pools and land-use histories. It avoids conflating species’ urban affinity with global differences in urban availability.”

      We chose subrealms rather than Köppen climate classifications or continental units because our objective was not to partition species by climatic similarity per se, but to evaluate species’ associations with urban environments relative to the ecological and biogeographic contexts in which they occur. Climatic classifications such as Köppen are highly effective for addressing climate–species relationships, but they do not explicitly capture differences in species pools, evolutionary history, or land-use legacies that strongly shape how species interact with urbanization. Likewise, continents often aggregate ecologically disparate regions and species pools, potentially obscuring meaningful variation in baseline urbanization and species’ realized distributions.

      Importantly, urban affinity in our framework is a relative, context-dependent metric, explicitly interpreted within regions. Identical levels of urbanization (e.g., VIIRS radiance values) can have different ecological meanings across regions with distinct species pools, land-use histories, and settlement patterns. Stratifying analyses by subrealm therefore avoids conflating species’ affinity to urban environments with global or continental differences in the availability and intensity of urban land cover. We have clarified this distinction and motivation in the revised Methods (see responses below).

      Regarding the concern that requiring ≥100 observations per species per subrealm biases analyses toward common species: we agree that this threshold focuses the analysis on well-sampled species. This choice was intentional and follows previous work showing that such cutoffs are necessary to robustly characterize species’ responses to urbanization using occurrence data. While a global or continental analysis would indeed include additional, rarer species, it would also substantially increase uncertainty and conflate species’ responses across ecologically distinct contexts. Our study is therefore best interpreted as a macroecological synthesis of common species, which are also the taxa that disproportionately structure urban communities and drive the shape of Species Urbanness Distributions (SUDs). We now clarify this scope and limitation more explicitly in the introduction:

      “Our aim is to identify broad, cross-taxonomic patterns in species’ urban affinity at a global scale, rather than to resolve the specific causal mechanisms driving urban success or failure within individual taxa or cities.”.

      As well as in the discussion:

      “Our synthesis complements taxon-specific, presence–absence trait studies by identifying broad, cross-taxonomic patterns that can motivate and contextualize more mechanistic analyses [17,23].”

      Finally, while alternative spatial stratifications are possible, the central patterns we report particularly the skewed shape of SUDs—are robust to the use of regional context rather than absolute global metrics. Exploring how SUDs change under different spatial frameworks (e.g., continents, climate zones) is an interesting avenue for future work, but we feel is beyond the scope of the present study.

      (2) Methods - urban score

      The authors describe their "urban score" as being calculated as "the mean of the distribution of VIIRS values as a relative species specific measure of a response to urban land cover."

      I don't understand how this is a "relative species-specific measure". What is it relative to? Figures S4 and S5 show the mean distribution of VIIRS for various taxa, and this mean looks to be an absolute measure. Mean VIIRS for a given species would be fine and appropriate as an "urban score", but the authors then state in the next sentence: "this urban score represents the relative ranking of that species to other species in response to urban land cover".

      We agree that the wording in the original manuscript was unclear and conflated two distinct steps in the workflow. We have now revised the Methods to clearly distinguish between (i) the urban score, which is an absolute, descriptive summary of the mean VIIRS radiance associated with a species’ occurrence locations, and (ii) urban affinity, which is the relative, region-specific metric derived from the urban score. Specifically, we rewrote the methods to have distinct steps as subheadings, as follows: (1) urban score; (2) subrealms and why; (3) urban affinity. In the revised Methods, we explicitly define the urban score:

      “an absolute descriptive summary of the urbanization levels associated with a species’ occurrence locations within a given subrealm”.

      We no longer describe the urban score itself as “relative” or as a ranking among species. Relative comparisons among species arise only in the subsequent step, where species-specific urban scores are expressed relative to the regional background level of urbanization within each subrealm to derive urban affinity.

      We refer the Reviewer to the revised version which we feel is much clearer (lines 428-479)!

      That doesn't follow from the description of how this is calculated. Something is missing here. Please clarify and add an explicit equation for how the urban score is calculated because the text is unclear and confusing.

      The previous response, where we discuss the description, hopefully clarifies this. Further, we have revised the Methods to clearly define the urban score and to include an explicit equation. In the revised manuscript, the urban score for species s is calculated as the mean VIIRS radiance across all occurrence locations of that species:

      where n<sub>s</sub>is the number of GBIF occurrence records for species s, and L<sub>i</sub> is the VIIRS nighttime lights radiance value extracted at the location of occurrence i. We also clarify in the Methods that this urban score is an absolute summary statistic of observed urbanization at species occurrence locations

      (3) Methods - urban tolerance

      How the authors are defining and calculating tolerance is unclear, confusing, and flawed in my opinion.

      Tolerance is a common concept in ecology, evolution, and physiology, typically defined as the ability for an organism to maintain some measure of performance (e.g., fitness, growth, physiological homeostasis) in the presence versus absence of some stressor. As one example, in the herbivory literature, tolerance is often measured as the absolute or relative difference in fitness of plants that are damaged versus undamaged

      (e.g., https://academic.oup.com/evolut/article/62/9/2429/6853425?login=true).

      On line 309, after describing the calculation of urban scores across subrealms, they write: "Therefore, a species could be represented across multiple subrealms with differing measures of urban tolerance (Fig. S4). Importantly, this continuous metric of urban tolerance is a relative measure of a species' preference, or affinity, to urban areas: it should be interpreted only within each subrealm". This is problematic on several fronts. First, the authors never define what they mean by the term "tolerance". Second, they refer to urban tolerance throughout the paper, but don't describe the calculation until, where they write (text in [ ] is from the reviewer): "Within each subrealm, we further accounted for the potential of different levels of urbanization by scaling each species' urban score by subtracting the mean VIIRS of all observations in the subrealm (this value is hereafter referred to as urban tolerance). This 'urban tolerance' (Fig. S5) value can be negative - when species under-occupy urban areas [relative to the average across all species] suggesting they actively avoid them-or positive-when species over-occupy urban areas [relative to the average across all species] suggesting they prefer them (i.e., ranging from urban avoiders to urban exploiters, respectively). They are taking a relativized urban score and then subtracting the mean VIIRS of all observations across species in a subrealm. How exactly one interprets the magnitude isn't clear and they admit this metric is "not interpretative across subrealms".

      This is not a true measure of tolerance, at least not in the conventional sense of how tolerance is typically defined. The problem is that a species distribution isn't being compared to some metric of urbanness, but instead it is relative to other species' urban scores, where species may, on average, be highly urban or highly nonurban in their distribution, and this may vary from subrealm to subrealm. A measure of urban tolerance should be independent of how other species are responding, and should be interpretable across subrealms, continents, and the globe.

      We thank the reviewer for this careful and important critique. We agree that the term “tolerance” is commonly used to describe the ability of an organism to maintain performance (e.g., fitness, growth, physiological homeostasis) in the presence of a stressor, and that our metric does not measure tolerance in this mechanistic or fitness-based sense. To address this directly and unambiguously, we have revised the manuscript to explicitly define the term “urban affinity” as opposed to urban tolerance. 

      In the revised Methods, we also reorganized and clarified the calculation of urban affinity, introduced explicit notation, and provided a formal equation. Specifically, we now define urban affinity for species s in subrealm r as:

      where U<sub>s,r</sub>is the mean VIIRS radiance across all occurrence locations of species s within subrealm r, and Ū<sub>r</sub>is the mean VIIRS radiance across all occurrence records of all species in that subrealm. This transformation centers species’ urban scores on the regional background level of urbanization, yielding a relative measure of spatial association with urban environments.

      We agree with the reviewer that this metric is not interpretable as an absolute measure of affinity, and we now state this explicitly. Urban affinity values are, by construction, relative measures, interpretable only within subrealms, and they quantify whether a species tends to occur in more or less urbanized environments than is typical for that region. The magnitude of the metric therefore reflects deviation from the regional baseline, not a universal or global scale of urbanization, and is not intended to be compared directly across subrealms.

      We respectfully disagree, however, that this makes the metric flawed. Rather, it reflects a deliberate analytical choice aligned with our research questions. Our goal was not to estimate absolute urban exposure or physiological performance, but to compare species’ realized spatial associations with urban environments within shared biogeographic contexts. Because baseline urbanization levels, settlement history, and species pools vary strongly across regions, a globally absolute metric would conflate species’ affinities with regional availability of urban environments. By contrast, a relative, region-centered metric allows meaningful comparisons among species that coexist within the same ecological and biogeographic setting. This approach follows a growing body of macroecological work that infers species’ environmental affinities from spatial distributions rather than direct performance measures (e.g., Callaghan et al. 2020; 2021; 2023), and we now cite these studies explicitly.

      I propose the authors use one of two metrics of urban tolerance:

      (i) Absolute Urban Tolerance = Mean VIIRS of species_i - Mean VIIRS of city centers Here, the mean VIIRS of city centers could be taken from the center of multiple cities throughout a subrealm, across a continent, or across the world. Here, the units are in the original VIIRS units where 0 would correspond to species being centered on the most extreme urban habitats, and the most extreme negative values would correspond to species that occupy the most non-urban habitats (i.e., no artificial light at night). In essence, this measure of tolerance would quantify how far a species' distribution is shifted relative to the most highly urbanized habitat available.

      (ii) % Urban Tolerance = (Mean VIIRS of species_i - Mean VIIRS of city centers)/MeanVIIRS of city centers * 100%

      This metric provides a % change in species mean VIIRS distribution relative to the most urban habitats. This value could theoretically be negative or positive, but will typically be negative, with -100% being completely non-urban, and 0% being completely urban tolerant.

      Both of these metrics can be compared across the world, as it would provide either absolute (equation 1) or relative (equation 2) metrics of urban tolerance that are comparable and easily interpretable in any region.

      In summary, the definition of tolerance should be clear, the metric should be a true measure of tolerance that is comparable across regions, and an equation should be given.

      We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful and constructive suggestion, which raises an important conceptual issue regarding how “urban tolerance” should be defined and quantified. We agree that any such metric must be clearly defined, interpretable, and accompanied by an explicit equation, and we have revised the manuscript accordingly to clarify both our definition and its intended interpretation.

      The alternative metrics proposed by the reviewer anchoring species’ distributions to city centers or to the most highly urbanized habitats represent a valid and intuitive absolute framing of urban tolerance. Indeed, a closely related approach was explored and evaluated in Callaghan et al. (2020; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ecolind.2020.106905), where species’ occurrence-based urbanness scores derived from VIIRS night-time lights were compared against abundance-based estimates of urban tolerance using explicit urban–non-urban contrasts. That study further demonstrated that urbanness scores depend on the choice of spatial baseline (e.g., regional buffers around cities versus continental extents), and showed that different baselines capture complementary, but not identical, aspects of species–urban associations.

      In the present study, we deliberately adopt a relative, regionally contextualized metric (now referred to as urban affinity), expressing each species’ mean VIIRS association relative to the background urbanization of the biogeographic subrealm in which it occurs. This choice reflects our goal of comparing species’ relative affinities to urban environments within shared ecological and biogeographic contexts. Importantly, identical VIIRS values can correspond to very different ecological conditions across regions, and anchoring all species to city centers or global urban maxima risks conflating species’ affinities with regional differences in urban availability and infrastructure.

      We now make this distinction explicit throughout the manuscript, including by (i) defining urban affinity as a relative, occurrence-based measure of urban affinity (rather than physiological or fitness-based tolerance), (ii) providing an explicit equation for its calculation, and (iii) clarifying that these values are interpretable within, but not across, biogeographic subrealms. We view absolute, city-center–anchored metrics and relative, regionally normalized metrics as complementary approaches, each suited to different questions; the latter is most appropriate for the macroecological, comparative analyses pursued here.

      (4) Figure 1: The figure does not stand alone. For example, what is the hypothesis for thermophily or the temperature-size rule? The authors should expand the legend slightly to make the hypotheses being illustrated clearer.

      We now expanded the legend so that the figure and hypotheses presented can be understood based on just the figure and its legend; we did so by explaining the illustrated hypotheses as requested by the Reviewer. The figure legend now reads as follows:

      “Fig. 1: Conceptual framework illustrating hypothesized mechanisms linking urban affinity to interspecific body-size shifts. These include dispersal and mobility constraints under habitat fragmentation [44,45], thermophily and the temperature–size rule driven by the urban heat island effect [15,30], size-biased competition and survival [94,95], and size-biased human preferences [64]. Urban fragmentation of habitat resources can select for increased mobility (e.g., larger butterflies) or reduced mobility (e.g., larger seeds) depending on isolation severity. Elevated urban temperatures favor thermophily, which often negatively correlates with size as it affects the heat balance via thermal inertia. Similarly, these higher temperatures generally favor smaller-bodied adult ectotherms because they accelerate development and reduce time available for growth (i.e., temperature-size rule). In plants, the increased CO<sub>₂</sub> and nutrient availability associated with anthropogenic environments due to heating- and traffic-related CO2 emissions and eutrophication provides a competitive advantage to larger plant species, and human preferences too may favor larger species (e.g., tree-lined streets), whereas smaller species may be advantaged in colonizing built infrastructure.”

      (5) SUDs: I don't agree with the conclusion given on line 83 ("pattern was consistent across subrealms and several taxonomic levels") or in the legend of Figure 2 ("there were consistent patterns for kingdoms, classes, and orders, as shown by generally similar density histograms shapes for each of these").

      The shapes of the curves are quite different, especially for the two Kingdoms and the different classes. I agree they are relatively consistent for the different taxonomic Orders of insects.

      We agree that our original wording overstated the similarity of distributions across taxa and regions. We have revised the text to clarify that the consistency we refer to pertains primarily to central tendencies rather than identical distributional shapes. To address this directly, we conducted additional analyses comparing urban affinity distributions across subrealms for taxonomic groups with the largest sample sizes. These results, now presented in new Supplementary Figures (Fig. S2-S4), show that while distributional shapes vary among higher taxonomic groups, median values and overall spread are broadly similar within comparable taxonomic levels. We have updated the Results text and the Figure 2 legend accordingly to reflect this more precise interpretation. 

      “These patterns in central tendency were broadly consistent across subrealms and taxonomic levels, although distributional shapes varied among higher taxonomic groups (Fig. 2).”

      “To evaluate this more formally, we compared distributions across subrealms for groups with the largest sample sizes and found that while distributional shapes varied among higher taxa, median values and overall spread were broadly similar within comparable taxonomic levels (Fig. S2–S4).”

      Figure 2 caption: “There were consistent patterns for kingdoms, classes, and orders (B) as shown by similar central tendencies despite variation in distributional shape.”

      We refer the Reviewer to the revised manuscript and supplementary material, but show the kindom level in Fig S2.

      More broadly, our goal in introducing Species Urbanness Distributions (SUDs) is not to argue that their exact shapes are invariant, but rather to provide a generalizable framework for describing how assemblages are structured along an urbanization gradient. In this respect, SUDs are conceptually analogous to Species Abundance Distributions (SADs), where the precise functional form has long been debated, yet the framework itself has proven extremely valuable for ecology. We therefore emphasize the utility of SUDs as a descriptive and comparative tool for quantifying community-level responses to urbanization, rather than as a claim about strict uniformity in distributional shape across taxa or regions.

      Reviewer #3 (Public review):

      Summary:

      This paper reports on an association between body size and the occurrence of species in cities, which is quantified using an 'urban score' that can be visualized as a 'Species Urbanness

      Distribution' for particular taxa. The authors use species records from the Global Biodiversity Information Facility (GBIF) and link the occurrence data to nighttime lighting quantified using satellite data (Visible Infrared Imaging Radiometer Suite-VIIRS). They link the urban score to body size data to find 'heterogeneous relationship between body size and urban tolerance across the tree'. The results are then discussed with reference to potential mechanisms that could possibly produce the observed effects (cf. Figure 1).

      We thank the reviewer for this clear and accurate summary of the study. We agree that the primary contribution of this work lies in the scale and taxonomic breadth of the analysis, and in introducing a framework (Species Urbanness Distributions) for quantifying species’ relative affinities to urban environments using globally available data. We have revised the manuscript to further clarify the scope of inference and the distinction between descriptive macroecological patterns and mechanistic explanations.

      Strengths:

      The novelty of this study lies in the huge number of species analyzed and the comparison of results among animal taxa, rather than in a thorough analysis of what traits allow species to persist under urban conditions. Such analyses have been done using a much more thorough approach that employs presence-absence data as well as a suite of traits by other studies, for example, in (Hahs et al. 2023, Neate-Clegg et al. 2023). The dataset that the authors produced would also be very valuable if these raw data were published, both the cleaned species records as well as the body sizes. The paper could strongly add to our understanding of what species occur in cities when the open questions are addressed.

      We appreciate highlighting the novelty of the taxonomic breadth and scale of our analysis. We agree that our approach is complementary to more detailed, taxon-specific trait studies based on presence–absence data. In response, we have further emphasized this distinction in the Discussion:

      “Our synthesis complements taxon-specific, presence–absence trait studies by identifying broad, cross-taxonomic patterns that can motivate and contextualize more mechanistic analyses17,23.”

      We also agree that the cleaned occurrence data and body size information represent a valuable resource, and all data will be made available, with the exception of some body size datasets which we are not able to make available.

      Weaknesses:

      I value the approach of the authors, but I think the paper needs to be revised.

      In my view, the authors could more carefully validate their approach. Currently, any weakness or biases in the approach are quickly explained away rather than carefully explored. This concerns particularly the use of presence-only data, but also the calculation of the urban score.

      The vast majority of data in GBIF is presence-only data. This produces a strong bias in the analysis presented in the paper. For some taxa, it is likely that occurrences within the city are overrepresented, and for other taxa, the opposite is true (cf. Sweet et al. 2022). I think the authors should try to address this problem.

      We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. We fully agree that GBIF occurrence data are subject to well-known sampling biases, including uneven geographic coverage, observer effort, and taxonomic focus. These limitations are now more explicitly acknowledged in the revised manuscript. At the same time, GBIF currently represents the only global biodiversity database that allows the scope of analysis undertaken here, spanning thousands of species across multiple taxonomic groups and regions. Systematic monitoring datasets that provide presence–absence data are typically restricted to particular taxa (often vertebrates or plants) and are geographically concentrated in the Global North, which would substantially limit the taxonomic and geographic breadth of our analysis.

      Importantly, our objective was not to estimate absolute species-specific responses to urbanization, but rather to examine relative patterns of urban affinity across species and families within comparable regional contexts. To address this, we structured our analyses at the subrealm level, which aggregates observations across large spatial extents and reduces sensitivity to fine-scale sampling biases associated with individual cities or urban–rural gradients. In addition, we restricted analyses to species with ≥100 observations per subrealm to focus on well-sampled taxa and reduce the influence of extremely sparse occurrence records. While these steps cannot fully eliminate sampling biases inherent to occurrence data, they substantially mitigate their influence when examining broad comparative patterns.

      Recent work has also evaluated the performance of GBIF data in urban biodiversity contexts. For example, Sweet et al. (2022) compared GBIF-derived species richness patterns with independent state-level biodiversity databases across cities and surrounding regions, finding that GBIF provided comparable or broader coverage across taxa and spatial extents. Their analysis showed that species richness was consistently higher in the surrounding region than in the city itself, suggesting that GBIF data capture broad urban–regional biodiversity gradients rather than systematically overrepresenting urban occurrences. Although our analysis differs in design, these results support the use of GBIF as a valuable resource for examining large-scale biodiversity patterns.

      More broadly, occurrence databases such as GBIF have become widely used for analyzing species–environment relationships at macroecological scales. While they may be insufficient for estimating precise species-specific environmental tolerances, they are informative for identifying broad patterns across taxa and regions. Our goal here is therefore to identify large-scale comparative patterns in urban affinity and generate hypotheses about trait– urbanization relationships, which can subsequently be tested with more structured monitoring datasets where available.

      Another important consideration is that our analyses focus on comparative differences among species within shared taxonomic and geographic contexts, rather than absolute estimates of urban affinity. Sampling biases in occurrence databases are often structured by observer behaviour (e.g., detectability, accessibility, or taxonomic interest), meaning that species recorded by similar observer communities are likely subject to similar sampling biases. Under these conditions, relative differences among species are expected to be preserved even when absolute occurrence frequencies are biased. This logic is consistent with the widely used target-group background approach in presence-only species distribution modelling, where species recorded by similar observer groups (often within the same taxonomic group) are used to control for shared sampling bias. Previous work by Callaghan et al. (2021; https://doi.org/10.1111/gcb.15670) performed additional validation analysis comparing our distribution-based urban affinity metric with estimates derived from occupancy modelling using well-sampled European butterflies (see Fig. S5 from the Callaghan et al. 2021 paper). The strong positive relationship between these approaches suggests that the broad patterns identified here are unlikely to arise solely from sampling artifacts.

      Finally, in the revised manuscript we now include additional comparisons among well-sampled taxonomic groups (see responses to other comments throughout our response document for details), which show substantial variation in urban affinity even among taxa with extensive sampling. These results suggest that the patterns reported here are unlikely to arise solely from sampling artifacts, but instead reflect meaningful ecological variation in how species interact with urban environments.

      The authors should compare their results to studies focusing on particular taxa where extensive trait-based analyses have already been performed, i.e., plants and birds. In fact, I strongly suggest that the authors should compare their results to previous studies on the relationship between traits, including body size and occurrences along a gradient of urbanisation, to draw conclusions about the validity of the approach used in the current study, which has a number of weaknesses.

      We agree that explicitly situating our findings within the existing trait-based urban ecology literature strengthens both interpretation and validation of our approach. We had already referenced several relevant studies (e.g., Hahs et al. 2023 and others) in the Introduction and Discussion, but we recognize that these comparisons were not sufficiently explicit. We have now added text to the Discussion directly comparing our results with previous trait-based studies across taxa:

      “Our results are broadly consistent with prior taxon-specific trait-based studies (eg., Hahs et al.[17]), but also highlight that relationships between body size and urbanization vary across taxa and analytical frameworks. For example, global syntheses and regional studies have reported positive, negative, or null size–urbanization relationships depending on clade and spatial scale. A recent global analysis that compiled empirical occurrence data for multiple terrestrial faunal taxa across cities worldwide reported broadly similar body-size responses to urbanization [17]. For four of the five groups that overlap with our analysis—amphibians, bats, bees, and birds—the direction of the body-size relationship with urbanization was consistent between studies. The only exception was carabid beetles, which tended to be smaller-bodied in highly urbanized environments in that analysis, whereas we detected no significant size effect for this family. Studies on birds, for example, have found mixed results, including positive associations to urbanization in some regional assemblages [45], no global relationship in others [46] or an overall negative relationship globally [23], and negative relationships in particular clades such as raptors [40]. Such discrepancies likely arise because different studies quantify urbanization differently, focus on different spatial grains, or analyze different components of species responses (e.g., presence– absence, abundance, or occurrence distributions). Additionally, a study on multiple taxa including butterflies and moths found a positive relationship in butterfly and moth community-weighed mean body size with increases in urbanization level, similar to our findings [31]. Researchers have also found that smaller-bodied dung-associated beetles potentially benefit from urban environments, which is similar to the negative association we found between urbanization and body size in beetles [47]. Our approach complements these studies by estimating occurrence-based urban associations across thousands of taxa simultaneously, allowing comparison of how consistently body size predicts urban affinity across taxonomic groupings rather than within a single lineage. In this sense, variation among published results does not contradict our findings but instead reinforces the conclusion that body size is a context-dependent filter whose direction and strength depend on ecological setting, taxonomic scope, and the urbanization metric used.”

      These additions highlight that published relationships between body size and urbanization vary widely across taxa, spatial scales, and analytical approaches. For example, prior studies have reported positive, negative, or null size–urbanization relationships depending on clade, geographic extent, and how urbanization or occurrence is quantified. Even within birds alone, the literature spans positive regional relationships, null global relationships, and negative relationships in particular clades such as raptors. We now explicitly discuss these contrasts and clarify that such discrepancies are expected because different studies measure different components of species’ responses (e.g., presence–absence vs. abundance vs. occurrence distributions), use different spatial grains, or focus on different taxonomic subsets.

      We emphasize that our analysis is not intended to replace taxon-specific trait studies, but rather to complement them by providing a macroecological synthesis across thousands of species simultaneously. Importantly, the heterogeneity we observe among families is itself a key biological result, indicating that body size is not a universal predictor of urban affinity but instead a context-dependent filter whose direction and strength vary across ecological and phylogenetic settings. We now state this interpretation more clearly in the revised manuscript.

      They should be be more careful in coming up with post-hoc explanations of why the pattern found in this study makes sense or suggests a particular mechanism. This reviewer considers that there is no way in which the current study can disentangle the different possible mechanisms without further analyses and data, so I would suggest pointing out carefully how the mechanisms could be studied.

      We agree that our study cannot disentangle the causal mechanisms underlying species’ responses to urbanization. Our intent in discussing potential mechanisms was not to claim definitive explanations, but rather to situate our findings within existing ecological theory and to highlight plausible, non-exclusive pathways that may generate the observed patterns. To make this clearer, we have revised the Discussion to explicitly frame these interpretations as hypotheses rather than conclusions, and to emphasize that testing the underlying mechanisms will require additional data and approaches, such as targeted trait datasets, experimental manipulations, and longitudinal or within-city studies:

      “Because our synthesis is correlative and macroecological in nature, the mechanisms discussed above are best viewed as hypotheses that can be evaluated through future work combining experimental, trait-based, and longitudinal data.”.

      Additionally, we modified our overall goal to make it clear that this is not inherently a mechanistic study per se:

      “Our aim is to identify broad, cross-taxonomic patterns in species’ urban affinity at a global scale, rather than to resolve the specific causal mechanisms driving urban success or failure within individual taxa or cities.”.

      More details should be given about the methodology. The readers should be able to understand the methods without having to read a number of other papers.

      We have substantially revised and expanded the Methods section to ensure that all analytical steps can be understood directly from the manuscript without requiring consultation of prior publications. In particular, we now (i) provide a clear conceptual roadmap of the workflow at the start of the Methods, (ii) define all key metrics explicitly, including equations for both the urban score and urban affinity, and (iii) clarify the interpretation, assumptions, and limitations of each step. We also added text explaining the rationale for subrealm stratification and the intended interpretation of relative values. Together, these revisions make the methodological framework fully transparent and self-contained (see revised Methods and related responses above and below).

      References:

      Hahs, A. K., B. Fournier, M. F. Aronson, C. H. Nilon, A. Herrera-Montes, A. B. Salisbury, C. G. Threlfall, C. C. Rega-Brodsky, C. A. Lepczyk, and F. A. La Sorte. 2023. Urbanisation generates multiple trait syndromes for terrestrial animal taxa worldwide. Nature Communications 14:4751.

      Neate-Clegg, M. H. C., B. A. Tonelli, C. Youngflesh, J. X. Wu, G. A. Montgomery, Ç. H. Şekercioğlu, and M. W. Tingley. 2023. Traits shaping urban tolerance in birds differ around the world. Current Biology 33:1677-1688.

      Sweet, F. S. T., B. Apfelbeck, M. Hanusch, C. Garland Monteagudo, and W. W. Weisser. 2022. Data from public and governmental databases show that a large proportion of the regional animal species pool occur in cities in Germany. Journal of Urban Ecology 8:juac002.

      We have incorporated these (and additional new references) into our revised manuscript.

      Recommendations for the authors:

      Reviewing Editor Comments:

      As you see from the general comments above and the specific recommendations below, the reviewers are impressed by your comprehensive data set and the analytic approach. However, they ask you to clarify your measures of organism size, occurrence data (vs. presence/absence and corresponding sample-bias caveats), urbanness (lighting differences between cities and regions?), urban tolerance (measure should not be relative to other species and particular regions), and region ("subrealm" vs. more commonly used defintions of world regions such as continents). They also encourage you to compare your general results with more detailed local studies to better justify using size as the only, easily available trait.

      We thank the Editor for this clear synthesis of the key priorities for revision. We have carefully addressed each point and substantially revised the manuscript to improve clarity, methodological transparency, and interpretability. In particular:

      We clarified how body size data were compiled, harmonized, and modeled, including explicit description of how different measurement types (mean, maximum, sex-specific) were retained and statistically accounted for through scaling and hierarchical modeling. We now state these procedures explicitly in the Methods.

      We expanded the Methods and Discussion to clarify that our analyses rely on occurrence data rather than presence–absence or abundance data, and we now explicitly discuss the implications and limitations of presence-only datasets, including potential sampling biases and how these may influence inference.

      We strengthened justification for using VIIRS night-time lights as a continuous proxy for urbanization, added supporting citations, and clarified that spatial heterogeneity in lighting primarily introduces additional variance rather than systematic bias. We also explicitly describe how urbanization values were calculated and interpreted.

      We substantially revised the manuscript to clearly define urban affinity at the outset (including in the Abstract), distinguish it from physiological definitions of tolerance, and provide explicit equations and step-by-step descriptions of how both urban score and urban affinity are calculated and interpreted. We now emphasize that the metric is a relative, region-contextualized measure of occurrence-based urban affinity.

      We added full justification, citations, and methodological explanation for the use of biogeographic subrealms, clarified how they differ from continents or climate zones, and explained why this stratification is appropriate for the ecological questions addressed. We also clarified the scope of inference and limitations of this approach.

      We expanded the Discussion to explicitly compare our results with prior trait-based urban ecology studies across taxa (including birds and other groups), highlighting where results converge, diverge, and why such variation is expected across spatial scales, taxa, and analytical frameworks.

      Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for authors):

      (1) Abstract

      (a) Please define how tolerance is being used here

      We now use affinity throughout and it is defined in various places (see responses to other comments here).

      (b) The abstract should clarify at what taxonomic scale body size is assessed. It is unclear in the abstract as to whether the reader expects intraspecific measures and interspecific, and at what resolution.

      We have revised the abstract by adding one sentence explicitly stating the scale body size was assessed:

      “We then assessed whether body size, an integrative ecological trait fundamental to space use, mobility, metabolism, and environmental sensitivity, showed consistent associations with urban affinity among species and across 371 taxonomic families. Analyses were conducted at the interspecific level and focused primarily on variation among taxonomic families (provided with this paper is an accompanying application to view results).”

      (2) Results/Discussion

      (a) The species urbanness distribution and comparison with the species abundance distribution is an interesting and conceptually useful contribution to urban ecology and underscores how urbanization functions on biodiversity at scale.

      We thank the reviewer for this positive assessment and are encouraged that they view the Species Urbanness Distribution (SUD) as a conceptually useful contribution to urban ecology. We see SUDs as a flexible framework that can be extended in several important directions, including comparisons across additional traits, cities of differing size and configuration, and temporal analyses that track how urbanness distributions shift with ongoing urban expansion or restoration. More broadly, we hope that SUDs can provide a framework to think about a macroecological understanding of how urbanization filters biodiversity.

      (b) In our Lambert et al. (2023) study that you reference, we suggest that 'exaptation' may be valuable to explore in urban areas. Although body size wasn't the trait we were considering at that time, it may be worth putting your discussion around pre-adaptation in this context.

      We agree that exaptation provides a valuable conceptual lens for interpreting species’ responses to urban environments. We have revised the Discussion to explicitly frame species’ urban success in this context:

      “Such traits “pre-adapted” to urban conditions allow for some species to not only persist but thrive in urban environments where most species cannot. Framing these patterns through the lens of exaptation may be particularly useful, as traits that evolved under non-urban selective pressures may incidentally confer advantages in urban environments without having arisen in response to urbanization per se (sensu Lambert et al.[4]). We therefore speculate that the skewed shape of SUDs may reflect the uneven distribution of exaptive traits across species pools, rather than widespread adaptive evolution to urban conditions. 

      Consistent with this interpretation, if exaptive traits that facilitate urban persistence are unevenly distributed across species pools, most species would be expected to exhibit avoidance rather than affinity of urban environments. Indeed, we found that the median urban affinity is most often below one, indicating widespread avoidance among species.”.

      (c) Given the family-scale effect, it would be helpful to discuss how often species within a family co-occur in a given geographic region, how much other traits covary with size, etc. Do we have an a priori reason to expect family to be the taxonomic resolution at which body size seems to be most varied?

      Our exploratory and preliminary analyses revealed that variation in the body size– urban affinity relationship was strongest at the family level, which prompted us to focus our main analyses at this taxonomic resolution. (But we also present results on order as well). Families represent a biologically meaningful intermediate scale in taxonomy: species within families typically share broad morphological, ecological, and life-history characteristics, yet still exhibit substantial variation in body size and ecological strategies. Indeed, body size is well known to covary with multiple traits—including dispersal ability, metabolism, and space use—making it an integrative trait that captures several ecological dimensions simultaneously within and among families. These correlated traits likely contribute to the heterogeneous responses to urbanization observed among families.

      Using the family level also provides a practical balance between biological relevance and statistical robustness. Many families contain sufficient numbers of species to allow independent model estimation while avoiding the strong data imbalance that would arise at higher taxonomic levels. In addition, family is a commonly used unit in macroecological trait analyses (e.g., Roy et al. 2009; Smith et al. 2004), and it often reflects major morphological and ecological similarities among species, as reflected in taxonomic identification frameworks.

      Regarding co-occurrence, our analytical framework already accounts for geographic context by estimating urban affinity within subrealms. This ensures that species are compared within the same regional species pools and environmental contexts, rather than across globally disparate assemblages. Consequently, family-level effects emerge from comparisons among species that co-occur within shared biogeographic settings rather than from global taxonomic aggregation.

      We have added a short clarification in the manuscript to emphasize that body size functions as an integrative trait that covaries with multiple ecological attributes, and that family-level analyses represent a balance between ecological interpretability and data availability:

      “Because body size covaries with multiple ecological traits (e.g., dispersal ability and metabolic rate), we focused on family-level analyses to capture shared ecological strategies while still allowing sufficient variation among species to detect trait– environment relationships [39]”.

      (d) The result that body size shows a stronger effect in plants perhaps could suggest that plant records in GBIF are more sensitive to potential collection bias, perhaps due to detectability differences or preferences for where botanists and citizen scientists collect plant data? You mention ornamental plants late, but it may be worth discussing this here, too.

      We agree that this is a possible mechanism, which likely conflates detectability and ecological signal. We have expanded this point in the discusssion to better address this:

      “These human-driven preferences may also influence detectability and recording effort, as larger and more conspicuous plant species are more likely to be planted, maintained, and documented in urban environments, and thus be available in GBIF for our analyses. However, we suggest that this is not purely a sampling artifact, but such processes likely interact with ecological filtering to shape the realized size structure of urban plant communities.”.

      (e) I appreciate the additional taxonomic layering to the discussion. Seeing patterns at the family and order levels is helpful for generating new theory and predictions about how urbanization structures biodiversity at different taxonomic scales.

      We agree that examining patterns across multiple taxonomic scales is particularly valuable for generating testable hypotheses about how urbanization structures biodiversity, as different mechanisms may emerge or break down depending on the resolution of analysis. We hope this multi-scale perspective helps stimulate new theory and predictions about the ecological processes shaping urban biodiversity across the tree of life.

      (3) Methods

      (a) The methodology provides a scalable, consistent, and reasonable measure of both urbanness and species-level urban tolerance. The urban tolerance measure will, of course, not be useful for certain types of research (e.g., animal behavior), but it is appropriate for the resolution of this study.

      We agree that the urban affinity metric presented here is intended for broad-scale, comparative analyses and is not designed to capture fine-scale processes such as individual behavior or short-term demographic responses. Our goal was to develop a scalable and consistent measure that enables cross-taxon and cross-region comparisons at a global extent, which we believe is appropriate for addressing the questions posed in this study. We have sought to be explicit about this scope throughout the manuscript (e.g., to better alleviate Reviewer #1 concerns) and emphasize that the framework is complementary to, rather than a replacement for, more mechanistic or organism-focused approaches.

      (b) I'm concerned that the authors were not able to constrain their dataset to mean, median, or maximum, not potentially sex variability in sizes. Later in the methods, the authors state that they selected the measure of size that was most common within a family. Does this mean that species within a given family that didn't have that measure of body size were removed from the analysis?

      We appreciate this important point and agree that heterogeneity in how body size is measured (e.g., mean, maximum, or sex-specific estimates) is a real and unavoidable challenge in large-scale trait syntheses. Our analytical approach was explicitly designed to minimize the influence of this heterogeneity while retaining as many species as possible, rather than excluding species based on inconsistent trait metadata.

      Specifically, species within a family were not removed based on the availability of a particular body size definition. All species with at least one body size estimate were retained. When multiple measures existed for a species, we selected the measurement type that was most commonly available within each family to maximize comparability while preserving sample size. Remaining heterogeneity among measurement types (including units, measurement detail, and whether values reflected means, maxima, or sex-specific estimates) was explicitly accounted for through log-transformation and metadata-aware centering and scaling, with measurement metadata included as random intercepts in the hierarchical models. We have clarified this point in the Methods:

      “Importantly, this procedure did not result in the exclusion of species lacking a particular body size definition; rather, all species with at least one available body size estimate were retained, with measurement heterogeneity explicitly accounted for through metadata-aware scaling and hierarchical modeling.”

      In addition, our taxonomic modeling strategy was intentionally hierarchical. Species belonging to families that did not meet the minimum threshold for family-level modeling (≥10 species) were not discarded; rather, they were included in higher-level taxonomic analyses (e.g., order- or class-level models), ensuring that available information was retained wherever statistically appropriate. This approach reflects our broader goal of maximizing data inclusion while matching inference to the resolution supported by the data.

      Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):

      (1) Overlap between VIIRS and GBIF data: While it would have been nice for the GBIF records and VIIRS timescales to match, the degree of mismatch isn't overly large (2010-2021 vs 2015-2021), and any bias or inaccuracies should be minimal. I am mainly making this comment as a potential counterpoint to a possible criticism from other reviewers.

      We thank the reviewer for this helpful observation and agree with their assessment. While the temporal coverage of GBIF occurrence records (2010–2021) and VIIRS night-time lights data (2015–2021) does not perfectly overlap, the mismatch is relatively small and unlikely to introduce substantial bias, particularly given our focus on broad, global patterns of urban affinity rather than fine-scale temporal dynamics. We appreciate the reviewer highlighting this point as a potential counterargument to concerns about temporal alignment.

      (2) Line 87: "only a select few species seem to possess traits that enable them to thrive in urban...".

      This seems like an odd statement, given how many of these species have positive urban tolerance measures.

      Agreed that this was oddly worded. We have revised for clarity, focusing on the magnitude of urban affinity:

      “Similarly, much like the skewed distributions observed in SADs [24,26], the skewed shape of SUDs indicates that while many species exhibit some degree of urban affinity, a relatively small subset of species attain high levels of urban affinity and dominate urban environments.”

      (3) Line 81: "skewed shape of SUDs suggests that traits enabling species to tolerate urban environments are both rare and specific".

      Again, based on the shape of some of these curves, I'm not convinced that it is rare, and there is nothing about these curves that suggests it is something "specific". Indeed, urban tolerance could be very multivariate, and the authors' own results suggest this is indeed the case.

      We have revised the sentence to retain a focus on traits while avoiding overinterpretation of adaptation from the distributional patterns alone. The revised wording emphasizes the uneven expression of high urban affinity across species without implying rarity or trait specificity:

      “The skewed shape of SUDs suggests that traits enabling species to tolerate urban environments are unevenly expressed, given that only a handful of species show extreme urban affinity values, but our results suggest this is geographically widespread across taxa.”.

      We also agree with the likelihood that it is multivariate, and return to this in the conclusion in a stronger sense:

      “Although body size emerged as a predictor of urban affinity, we found not only substantial heterogeneity across families and orders, but also that body size filtering alone is unlikely to explain the consistently skewed SUD shape. Taken together, these patterns suggest that urban affinity likely emerges from multiple trait combinations rather than a single, universally advantageous trait, and that strong affinity to urban environments is not uniformly expressed across taxa, despite occurring broadly across regions.”.

      (4) Line 100: "UHI", avoid abbreviations unless absolutely necessary.

      We have removed this abbreviation throughout.

      (5) Body size: focusing on one trait seems like a shot in the dark, and so it isn't too surprising that this didn't reveal a strong or consistent pattern. However, I also recognize that collecting consistent trait data across so many taxa is challenging, and size is a low-hanging fruit that correlates with multiple traits. Perhaps discuss more the range of traits you think are most likely to predict urban tolerance.

      Body size is indeed the ‘easiest’ to collect, but we acknowledge that there are other traits which could be important, and body size correlates with multiple traits. We revised our discussion to be more comprehensive to discuss some of the additional traits, and be explicit about the shortfalls of body size:

      “Ultimately, the heterogeneous and sometimes weak relationships between body size and urban affinity suggests that body size alone cannot explain the emergence of extreme urban exploiters and the skewed shape of SUDs. Focusing on body size as a focal trait necessarily represents a simplification of the multidimensional processes underlying species’ responses to urbanization, driven in part by data availability when conducting a taxonomically-broad synthesis. Instead, urban affinity likely depends on multivariate trait combinations [17,58] that vary among taxa [59] and ecological contexts [60]. Traits that are likely to correlate with urban affinity include dispersal capacity, behavioral flexibility, diet breadth, reproductive strategy, thermoregulatory ability, and, in plants, life history traits such as growth form, clonality, phenology, and seed size. The diversity of trait pathways through which species may persist or thrive in urban environments is consistent with the pronounced taxonomic heterogeneity we observe and helps explain why body size alone does not yield a universal pattern.”

      (6) Figure S2: This figure and analysis appear to 'come out of nowhere'. I think this is distracting and tangential, and it should be removed. I have the same thoughts about Figure S3. While I do think a discussion of other traits to measure is well warranted and needed, the inclusion of "preliminary' results that aren't motivated by clear questions, appropriate context, and rigorous analysis should be discouraged.

      We have removed Figure S2 and Figure S3 in response to this comment.

      I hope the authors find my constructive comments useful in their revision process.

      This was a very thorough and thoughtful review. We are greatly appreciative of the opportunity and guidance to improve our work!

      Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):

      Here is a list of a number of further points that the authors may want to address:

      (1) Figure 1 somehow misses the fact that humans simply do not want very large animals in the city. We kill large predators if they come too close to cities, and the same for large herbivores such as wild boar or deer.

      We agree that direct human persecution and management of large-bodied species can influence which species occur in urban environments, particularly for large predators and herbivores. Such processes represent important mechanisms shaping urban species assemblages and represent an entire field of socio-ecological dynamics. We have now clarified this point in the Discussion by noting that human–wildlife conflict, management, and persecution could contribute to observed size–urbanization relationships for some taxa, and that disentangling these mechanisms represents an important direction for future research. We added some text to highlight this point):

      “Similarly, human–wildlife conflict and active management of large-bodied animals in cities may influence which species persist in urban environments, potentially constraining the upper end of the body size distribution. Taken together, these examples illustrate the importance of considering the socio-ecological context of urban species assemblages [65]”.

      (2) Line 270. So you removed all data from the grid-based survey?

      We did not remove all data originating from grid-based surveys or gridded products. Rather, we retained GBIF point-occurrence records and applied a standard spatial filtering step, removing only those individual observations with reported coordinate uncertainty greater than 1 km. This was done to ensure reliable alignment between species occurrence points and remotely sensed environmental layers. We have clarified this distinction in the Methods to avoid confusion:

      “Due to uncertainty in matching observations with remotely-sensed products, any GBIF observation with a coordinate uncertainty > 1 km was removed. This filtering step removed individual observations with high spatial uncertainty, rather than excluding entire datasets or survey types.”.

      (3) Line 278. Human population density?

      Yes, we have added ‘human’ here (and elsewhere in this section) to make this clearer to the reader.

      (4) Line 284. What is a pixel?

      We have modified the text to make this clearer:

      “VIIRS Stray Light Corrected Nighttime Day/Night Band Composites product, representing monthly composites, (i.e., this dataset in Google Earth Engine: NOAA/VIIRS/DNB/MONTHLY_V1/VCMSLCFG) with a native resolution of ~500 m<sup>2</sup>. We took the median of all monthly composites for each pixel (i.e., a single grid cell of the night-time lights raster representing a fixed ground area) to calculate a pixel-level urbanization value, measured in average radiance, and used imagery from January 2015 to January 2021 to calculate this median”.

      (5) Line 292. It seems to me that lighting is different in different types of cities with the same level of impervious surface, depending on local customs of how many lights are installed, left switched on, etc. I guess that petrol stations and strongly lit industrial areas both produce high levels of light, while for the industrial areas, there could be lawn or other vegetation?

      We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful observation and agree that night-time lighting can vary across cities with similar levels of impervious surface due to differences in land use, infrastructure, and cultural lighting practices. We do not interpret VIIRS night-time lights as a direct measure of any single urban feature, but rather as a continuous, integrative proxy for urbanization that captures the combined footprint of human activity, infrastructure intensity, and energy use. VIIRS radiance has been repeatedly shown to correlate strongly with human population density, built infrastructure, and urban extent, while being negatively correlated with vegetation cover (e.g., EVI). It is repeatedly used in remote sensing and urban sustainability literature. This approach is widely supported in the literature, for example:

      Panić et al. used night-time lights were to map spatial and temporal patterns of artificial lighting as a proxy for human population distribution and activity, distinguishing areas of urban and rural occupancy.

      (https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=1035395)

      Zhou et al. used night-time light observations were to develop a globally consistent time series of annual urban extent, delineating urban clusters and quantifying global urban growth over decades. (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rse.2018.10.015)

      Chakraborty & Stokes used night-time light time series with machine learning to detect and quantify urban change processes—identifying deviations from expected radiance trends to monitor diverse urban transitions.

      (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rse.2023.113818)

      Zhao et al. reviewed night-time light remote sensing was for its broad capacity to quantify human activities and socioeconomic dynamics—such as urbanization, economic change, and environmental impacts—across scales.

      (https://doi.org/10.3390/rs11171971)

      Zheng et al. used VIIRS nightime lights across 30 global megacities to produce a classification scheme to disentangle urban land changes into five categories, and assess global urbanization processes. (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.isprsjprs.2021.01.002)

      Zhao et al. argue that nighttime lights provide a consistent dataset to model and interpret urbanization dynamics and use this to track urban dynamics in Southeast Asia. (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rse.2020.111980)

      While localized mismatches may occur (e.g., brightly lit industrial areas with surrounding vegetation), such heterogeneity is expected to introduce additional variance rather than systematic bias in the measure of urbanization, making our inference conservative. We have clarified this interpretation and added additional supporting references in the Methods:

      “Previous work has shown that VIIRS night-time lights is negatively correlated with greenness measured through the Enhanced Vegetation Index (EVI) and positively correlated with human population density [69,71]. Although night-time light intensity can vary among cities with similar impervious surface due to differences in land use, infrastructure, and cultural lighting practices, at broad spatial scales it functions as an integrative proxy of urbanization [75,76,77,78,79,80], with localized heterogeneity contributing primarily to additional variance rather than systematic bias.”

      (6) Line 295. How did you reconcile the spatial uncertainty of >1km with an urbanization pixel of 150m2? For how many species did you have a higher uncertainty than pixel size? In my experience, your ca. 39m accuracy is a strong assumption for GBIF data.

      We would like to clarify that we do not assume species occurrence accuracy at the scale of the geohash blocks (i.e., tens of meters), and we do not interpret GBIF records as having ca. 39 m positional accuracy. The use of geohash7 (~150 m blocks) reflects a computational indexing choice, not an assumption about biological or observational precision. All GBIF observations with reported coordinate uncertainty greater than 1 km were removed prior to analysis, ensuring that retained occurrences were compatible with the effective spatial resolution of the remotely sensed urbanization data. Importantly, the effective spatial resolution of our urbanization metric remains that of the VIIRS night-time lights product (~500 m). Geohash encoding at a finer resolution was used solely to efficiently associate point occurrences with the appropriate VIIRS pixel while avoiding redundant extraction or averaging across adjacent pixels. This approach does not increase the effective spatial precision of the analysis, nor does it imply sub-pixel inference. We have clarified this in the Methods:

      “The VIIRS night-time lights data, with a native resolution of ~500 m<sup>2</sup>, was then matched to these blocks by assigning each geohash7 block the average VIIRS radiance value that intersects it. We do not assume positional accuracy at the scale of the geohash blocks, but geohash encoding was used solely for computational indexing, while the effective spatial resolution of the urbanization metric is that of the VIIRS data (~500 m). This approach allows us to avoid unnecessary redundancy in the data while maintaining the original VIIRS resolution”.

      (7) Line 296. Why this high resolution in the species data when your light data is 500m2?

      The apparent mismatch in resolution reflects a distinction between data handling resolution and analytical resolution. Species occurrence records were retained at their native point-level precision to avoid premature spatial aggregation and to ensure that each observation could be accurately matched to the appropriate VIIRS night-time lights pixel. The finer-resolution geohash encoding does not imply that species data were analyzed at that scale, nor does it increase the effective spatial resolution of the analysis. We note, however, that the reported spatial uncertainty of some GBIF records may approach or exceed the resolution of the VIIRS data. Retaining such records represents a deliberate trade-off between spatial precision and data coverage, and is necessary to maximize taxonomic and geographic representation in a global analysis of this scope. Importantly, any residual spatial uncertainty is expected to introduce additional noise rather than systematic bias, making our estimates of species–urban affinity relationships conservative.

      (8) If you could show how your results match the results of Hahs et al and others with respect to occurrence and traits, this would strengthen your approach.

      We agree that explicitly comparing our findings with prior trait-based studies strengthens the interpretability of our approach. We have now added text to the Discussion that directly compares our results with published analyses, including Hahs et al. (2023) and other taxon-specific studies. In particular, we highlight where our occurrencebased estimates recover similar body size–urbanization relationships (four of five taxa in Hahs et al.) and where they differ (e.g., carabids), and we discuss how such differences likely arise from variation in spatial grain, response variables, and definitions of urbanization. These additions clarify how our framework aligns with, complements, and extends existing trait-based work rather than replacing it.

      (9) I wonder whether you could run your analysis with simplified data. In the end, you do not talk much about how high the urban score is, so you may also aggregate values to "highly lighted", "lighted", "some light" and "dark" and re-do the analysis, after checking how these scores correlate with e.g. impervious surface in a slightly larger area than what you used (maybe 50x50m).

      Our analytical framework—and the concept of Species Urbanness Distributions (SUDs) in particular—relies on retaining the continuous nature of the underlying urbanization metric. Discretizing night-time light values would necessarily introduce arbitrary thresholds, reduce information content, and obscure subtle but ecologically meaningful variation in species’ relative affinities to urban environments. Because we focus on relative affinity patterns rather than absolute urbanization classes, maintaining a continuous metric is central to both our methodological approach and conceptual contribution. That said, we agree that exploring how continuous urban affinity scores relate to categorical urban classes or alternative urbanization proxies (e.g., impervious surface at different spatial grains) represents a valuable direction for future work. Such analyses could be particularly informative for translating continuous affinity metrics into applied conservation or urban planning contexts.

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      Reply to the reviewers

      Reviewer #1

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity:

      In this paper, Tomasek and colleagues describe a series of experiments illuminating the effects of OM-89, a bacterial lysate taken orally for prevention of recurrent UTI, on intracellular dynamics of UPEC, using cell culture and organoid models. Suggestions for improvement and for clarification of the authors' conclusions and relevance to human UTI (and OM-89 use) are offered below.

      Major points:

      1. The data indicate that OM-89 exposure in the organoids enhances lysosomal degradation pathways and (in mBOs) autophagic flux, and the authors conclude this is a mechanism by which UPEC regrowth after antibiotic treatment (modeling rUTI) is inhibited by OM-89. They also show enhanced cellular uptake of fluorescently labeled antibiotics (ampicillin) in organoids - this leads them to conclude (and state in the paper's title) that increased intracellular antibiotic concentration effects increased killing of UPEC and decreased regrowth. These are two separate proposed mechanisms, and especially with regard to the antibiotics, they have not shown that increased intracellular antibiotic concentration actually kills intracellular UPEC in their model - only that regrowth as measured microscopically is less. In total, a mechanistic connection between the observed lysosomal effect and the intracellular antibiotic uptake, and which one is more important for UPEC control in this model, is incomplete. The precise wording of the paper's title should be reconsidered accordingly.

      We agree with the reviewer that our study does not establish a direct mechanistic connection between OM-89-induced lysosomal remodeling and enhanced intracellular antibiotic accumulation, nor does it definitively determine the relative contribution of each process to intracellular UPEC control. Further studies dissecting the molecular pathways underlying these phenotypes will be required to determine whether they are mechanistically linked or represent parallel epithelial defense responses induced by OM-89.

      Importantly, additional CFU experiments performed during revision (as suggested in point number 4) revealed that OM-89 already reduces intracellular bacterial burden following a classical gentamicin protection assay, prior to prolonged ampicillin exposure. These findings suggest that enhanced intracellular bacterial control cannot be explained solely by increased intracellular antibiotic accumulation and support a direct contribution of epithelial antimicrobial mechanisms, including lysosomal activation, to the observed phenotype. Nevertheless, the relative contribution of lysosomal remodeling and enhanced antibiotic uptake to bacterial clearance remains unresolved and will require further investigation.

      Accordingly, we changed the title to "Targeted lysosomal activation in bladder epithelium enhances clearance of intracellular uropathogenic Escherichia coli." This revised title avoids implying a direct causal link between increased intracellular antibiotic accumulation and bacterial clearance while reflecting the central biological process identified in our study.

      OM-89 is taken orally for rUTI prevention, and some "components" reach the urinary tract (line 81). But it isn't explained how applying OM-89 directly to organoids models how its components may reach the bladder epithelium (from the basolateral side, if the OM-89 is applied outside the organoids) in the whole animal or human. At the least, this limitation should be stated in the Discussion.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing out this limitation. Although advanced in vitro models help to better mimic the in vivo situation, they still do not fully recapitulate all aspects of drug exposure and delivery observed in vivo. We included the following statement of limitation now in the discussion in lines 493-503: “One limitation of our study is that OM-89 was applied directly to epithelial cultures and organoids, whereas in clinical use it is administered orally. Although pharmacokinetic studies have demonstrated systemic distribution and urinary accumulation of OM-89-derived components following oral administration (van Dijk, 1982), our experimental setup does not recapitulate the exact route, kinetics or concentration profiles encountered in vivo. Rather, our models were designed to determine whether bladder epithelial cells are capable of responding directly to OM-89-mediated signals and to identify the intracellular pathways involved. Given the documented systemic exposure following oral administration, direct effects on the urothelium are biologically plausible. However, future studies will be required to determine how the epithelial responses identified here integrate with the complex systemic and immune-mediated effects of OM-89 under physiological administration conditions.”

      In the lysosome studies starting on line 319, the cultured cells are all infected (and either treated with OM-89 or not). What observations regarding number and size of vesicles, etc (all the measures in Fig 6) are evident when cells are treated with OM-89 only? These data should be presented (at least as a supplemental figure) to enable optimal interpretation of the OM-89+UPEC data in Fig 6. As the authors themselves indicate, OM-89 may be having a generalized effect on endocytic and/or autophagic flux by bladder epithelial cells, independent of infection.

      We thank the reviewer for this helpful suggestion and agree that assessing OM-89 treatment in the absence of infection provides important context for interpreting the infection-associated phenotypes as shown in Figure 6.

      Accordingly, we have included additional supplementary data examining the effects of OM-89 alone in both murine and human bladder epithelial cells. Specifically, we added analyses of Lamp1-positive lysosomal vesicles, lysosomal acidification (LysoSensor), and Cathepsin L activity under uninfected conditions (Supplementary Figures 4A, 4G and 7D-F). We comment on these additional findings in the Result section in lines 242-246 and lines 366-370, and in the Discussion section in lines 469-483.

      These experiments, together with the transcriptional data in SI Figure 3D, demonstrate that key features of lysosome-centered remodeling and activation are already induced by OM-89 in the absence of infection, indicating that OM-89 directly modulates epithelial lysosomal pathways rather than merely amplifying infection-driven responses. Inclusion of these data provides additional context for interpreting the infection-associated phenotypes shown in the main figures and further supports the concept of OM-89 as a direct modulator of epithelial antimicrobial function.

      With the organoids, beyond the microscopic quantification of UPEC, can CFUs be measured?

      We appreciate the reviewer’s interest in obtaining orthogonal measurements of bacterial burden. Performing CFU quantification directly from microinjected organoids is technically challenging, as it requires highly reproducible injections into identical numbers of organoids while avoiding bacterial leakage into the surrounding extracellular matrix. Even minor variations or accidental release of bacteria into the Matrigel can substantially affect CFU recovery and compromise interpretation.

      To address the reviewer’s underlying question while avoiding these limitations, we performed intracellular CFU assays using differentiated mouse bladder epithelial monolayers. Following a classical gentamicin protection assay for 1 hour, OM-89-treated cells displayed significantly reduced intracellular bacterial burden compared with PBS controls (new Figure 2C). Addition of ampicillin for 3 hours after the gentamicin protection phase resulted in a similar trend but did not further significantly reduce the bacterial burden (new Figure 2D). We commented on these findings in the Results section in lines 169-182, and in the Discussion section in lines 463-469 and lines 474-483. We also updated the Methods section in lines 637-652 with the intracellular bacterial burden assay description.

      These experiments provide an orthogonal readout of intracellular bacterial burden and are consistent with enhanced epithelial control of intracellular UPEC. In addition, we would like to clarify that the higher-throughput microscopy approach used throughout the organoid experiments does not allow strict discrimination between luminal, intracellular and tissue-associated bacteria. We therefore revised the terminology throughout the manuscript and now consistently refer to the measured signal as “intra-organoid bacterial burden”. To clarify this point, we added the following statement to the Results section (line 115): “Hence, the microscopy data represent the total “intra-organoid” bacterial burden at each experimental stage, without distinguishing the exact localization of the bacteria – which can be luminal, intracellular or tissue-associated.”. Consistent with this clarification, we have replaced the term “antibiotic-mediated killing” throughout the manuscript with the more cautious wording “antibiotic-mediated clearance” or “reduced bacterial burden”, where appropriate.

      Minor points:

      1. In Fig 1A, the "co-application" horizontal line is under the 7-10 hour window, but the text suggests that the application of antibiotics and OM-89 in this experiment is between 4-7 hours.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. Indeed, in the co-application regime, OM-89 is added at the same timepoint as the antibiotic – meaning straight after monitoring the growth phase at 4h post-infection (pi). We now adapted the horizontal line for the “co-application” treatment in Figure 1A accordingly to represent the time-point of OM-89 addition better. Additionally, we added a line for the antibiotic-treatment in order to further facilitate readability.

      How are antibiotics and OM-89 "removed" at the 7-hour mark? This was not detailed in the Methods.

      Although we had specified this in the methods section (now line 682: “For every media exchange (e.g. antibiotic treatment or withdrawal), each well was washed with 9 ml of the respective media before leaving 1 ml in the well.”), we realized the positioning was not optimal as we had mentioned this part under the point “Bacterial injection” in “Injection experiments”. We therefore now separated this part, together with the lid preparation, from the “Bacterial injection” part and created the new subsection “Lid preparation for media changes” (line 668 onwards).

      What time point was used for the transcriptomic profiling of organoids? This is not clear from the relevant Methods or Results sections.

      As stated in the methods section, RNA for transcriptomic profiling from mBOs was extracted at 4h post-infection (pi) (now line 892).

      In showing that OM-89 "attenuated" the magnitude of inflammatory responses (Fig 2C and S3B), it would be helpful to add a panel showing the comparison of OM89+UPEC to PBS alone - this would be expected to convey activity (red) in the infection-related pathways, but to a lower magnitude than seen in UPEC vs PBS.

      Please see our combined response at point 5.

      Similarly, in the results outlined starting on line 196, it would be helpful to add a panel showing OM89+UPEC vs OM89 alone.

      We thank the reviewer for these suggestions. We performed the requested additional analyses and generated Gene Ontology Biological Process (GOBP) enrichment plots comparing (i) PBS+UPEC versus PBS, (ii) OM-89+UPEC versus PBS and (iii) OM-89+UPEC versus OM-89.

      As anticipated by the reviewer, these analyses show that infection-associated pathways remain induced in OM-89-treated infected organoids but with a reduced magnitude compared with infected PBS controls. Specifically, pathways that are strongly enriched in the PBS+UPEC versus PBS comparison display lower enrichment significance and effect size in the OM-89+UPEC versus PBS comparison. Furthermore, many of these pathways are no longer significantly enriched in the direct OM-89+UPEC versus OM-89 comparison, indicating that OM-89 attenuates the transcriptional inflammatory response induced by UPEC infection. These observations are consistent with our original interpretation, concluded from Figure 3C, that OM-89 dampens excessive infection-associated inflammatory signaling while preserving epithelial antimicrobial activity.

      Importantly, we found that the direct comparison between PBS+UPEC and OM-89+UPEC, presented in the original Figure 3C, remains the most informative representation of the OM-89 effect because it controls for infection status while specifically highlighting the transcriptional changes induced by OM-89. By contrast, comparisons against PBS or OM-89 alone involve simultaneous changes in both infection and treatment status, making biological interpretation less straightforward.

      Nevertheless, because the additional analyses directly address the reviewer's request and provide complementary context for interpreting Figure 3C, we have included them in Supplementary Figure 3B.

      In line 236, what is meant by lysosomal "activation"? A more specific term should be chosen here.

      We thank the reviewer for this question and aim to increase readability of this section. With lysosomal activation in the first sentence of the mentioned paragraph, we referred to the observed effect of upregulated lysosomal pathways and enhanced lysosomal function (measured by alterations in lysosomal vesicles) in the previous paragraph. However, to make the connection to the previous paragraph better, and given the comment number two of reviewer number two, we changed the whole first paragraph of this section. Therefore, the first sentence of this paragraph (line 252 onwards) reads now: “To test whether the observed effects on lysosomal pathways could mechanistically, at least in parts, explain OM-89-mediated protection, we first used Genebridge analysis (Li et al, 2019) to examine how the lysosomal gene signature identified in our RNA-seq data relates to host defense programs in the human bladder.”

      In the Abstract (line 25), the phrase "Using bladder organoids..." is a dangling modifier.

      We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and changed the sentence accordingly to “OM-89 promotes lysosomal acidification and increases lysosomal protease activity in bladder organoids and differentiated epithelial monolayers, thereby directing intracellular UPEC toward degradative compartments.” (now line 24)

      Typographical and copyediting:

      We thank the reviewer for identifying typographical errors and have corrected them throughout the manuscript.

      1. Line 74 should read "For instance..."

      2. Line 76 should read "when combined with antibiotic therapy..."

      As this sentence is to emphasize the already observed protective effects of OM-89, and the two studies mentioned were either performed without or in combination with antibiotics, we changed the sentence to “For instance, rodent infection studies have demonstrated protective effects of OM-89 alone (Bosch et al, 1988; Lee et al, 2006) and in combination with antibiotic therapy (Canton et al, 2025; Bessler et al, 2010), although this observed in vivo protection could not be linked to any major quantitative changes in bladder immune cell infiltration (Canton et al, 2025), leaving the underlying molecular mechanism not fully resolved.” for better readability. (now line 71)

      Line 122 should read "...regrowth following antibiotic treatment" or "regrowth post-antibiotic treatment"

      Line 138 should use "regimen" not "regime"

      Line 196 delete comma after "Although"

      Line 244 fully hyphenate "OM-89-mediated"

      Line 374 should read "...significantly enhance antibiotic-mediated killing"

      Significance:

      The paper is very well written and though a lot of data are included, the presentation is excellent and helps the reader to follow the story. The paper makes a strong contribution to the UTI pathogenesis field, and the use of mouse and human bladder organoids is innovative in studying intracellular UPEC. My scientific expertise as a reviewer is in UPEC pathogenesis, directly relevant to the content of this paper.

      Reviewer #2

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity:

      This study examined the effect of OM-89 on UPEC infection, antibiotic clearance, and resurgence in mouse and human organoid models. The goal of the study was to understand the molecular mechanisms by which OM-89 is effective at preventing rUTI in patients.

      Major comments:

      The manuscript is well-written and the figures are well presented. Adequate background information is provided to give the study context and sufficient experimental details are provided to allow replication by other groups. Experiments contain appropriate controls and sufficient replicates to allow appropriate statistical analyses. The authors are careful to acknowledge the differences they observed between the mouse and human system and provide satisfactory potential explanations for these differences. The conclusions they draw are well supported by their data and none of their claims from their data are overstatements. Below are some, which I believe if addressed could improve the paper.

      1. I think the authors overstate the novelty of the concept that the urothelium is an active targetable determinant of infection and treatment outcomes. This is not an entirely new concept since previous studies have examined antimicrobial peptides and other factors from the urothelium.

      We thank the reviewer for this important point and agree that the urothelium has long been recognized as an active participant in host defense through mechanisms such as antimicrobial peptide production, pathogen sensing and regulation of inflammatory responses. We have therefore revised the manuscript to avoid implying that urothelial involvement in infection outcome is itself a novel concept. Instead, we now emphasize the specific advance of our study: the identification of lysosome-centered epithelial activation as a therapeutically targetable mechanism that enhances intracellular bacterial clearance and potentiates antibiotic efficacy.

      In the abstract we changed: “Our findings position the bladder epithelium from a passive barrier to an active, targetable determinant of treatment outcome and suggest host-directed modulation of epithelial antimicrobial pathways as a promising strategy to enhance intracellular bacterial clearance.” to “Our findings demonstrate that bladder epithelial antimicrobial pathways can be pharmacologically reinforced to influence treatment outcomes by enhancing intracellular bacterial clearance.” in line 29.

      In the introduction we changed: “Together with increased intracellular accumulation of antibiotics across different classes, this leads to improved intracellular killing and reduced bacterial regrowth across diverse UPEC strains.” to “Together with increased intracellular accumulation of antibiotics across different classes, these changes are associated with improved intracellular clearance and reduced bacterial regrowth across diverse UPEC strains.” in line 90 and “Together, these findings reveal a previously unrecognized epithelial lysosome-centered mechanism by which OM-89 enhances intracellular antibiotic performance and repositions the bladder epithelium from a passive reservoir of infection reactivation to an actively transformable antimicrobial compartment influencing treatment outcomes.” to “Together, these findings reveal a previously unrecognized lysosome-centered epithelial mechanism by which OM-89 strengthens bladder epithelial antimicrobial defenses and enhances intracellular bacterial clearance, identifying enhanced lysosomal function as a therapeutically targetable component of host defense.” in line 95.

      In the discussion we changed: “Together, these findings provide a mechanistic framework for the long-observed clinical efficacy of OM-89. Our findings reveal that the urothelium itself can be therapeutically targeted to reduce pathogen regrowth by transforming the epithelial barrier from a passive refuge for UPEC into an active defense site.” to “Together, these findings provide a mechanistic framework for the long-observed clinical efficacy of OM-89 and identify epithelial lysosomal pathways as a therapeutically targetable component of host defense that can be used to improve intracellular bacterial clearance.” in line 421 and “In the face of rising antimicrobial resistance (2024), strengthening epithelial antimicrobial function offers a complementary route to shift the bladder mucosa from a passive niche of bacterial survival and infection reactivation toward an active site of accelerated pathogen clearance.” to “In the face of rising antimicrobial resistance (2024), our findings provide a mechanistic rationale for the clinical use of OM-89 and support epithelial lysosomal pathways as a promising target for host-directed therapeutic strategies that enhance intracellular bacterial clearance and improve the efficacy of existing antibiotics.” in line 513.

      Depending on the target audience, the Module-Module association analysis could need more introduction. I am not a computational biologist and it was not obviously apparent how Figure 4A is generated and what it actually showing. How specifically does this analysis demonstrate a functional link between lysosomal activity and immune defense pathways? Without further explanation, it is my opinion that this figure panel is an unnecessary distraction that is not required for any of the conclusions that the group can already draw from the rest of their data.

      We thank the reviewer for this constructive critique. We agree that the rationale and interpretation of this analysis were not sufficiently explained in the original manuscript. We have therefore expanded the description of the MMAS approach and clarified how these data support the translational relevance of the lysosomal pathways identified in our experimental models.

      Specifically, we now explain that the Module-Module Association Score (MMAS) analysis evaluates transcriptional correlations between the lysosomal gene network and functional biological pathways across eight independent human bladder transcriptomic datasets comprising more than 1,400 clinical samples. We further highlight the strong positive associations observed with host defense modules, including “response to molecule of bacterial origin”, “cell activation involved in immune response”, and “innate immune response”. These additions clarify both the methodology and the rationale for including Figure 5A as a translational bridge between our experimental findings and human bladder biology.

      The revised text (starting at line 251) now reads: “To test whether the observed effects on lysosomal pathways could mechanistically, at least in parts, explain OM-89-mediated protection, we first used Genebridge analysis (Li et al, 2019) to examine how the lysosomal gene signature identified in our RNA-seq data relates to host defense programs in the human bladder. To evaluate the translational relevance of our experimental findings, we used a computational Module-Module Association Score (MMAS) analysis across eight independent human bladder transcriptomic datasets comprising over 1,400 clinical samples. This network-based approach evaluates the transcriptional correlation between the lysosomal gene network and functional biological pathways across diverse human cohorts. Module-Module association analysis performed on these human bladder datasets indicated that the lysosome module has strong positive associations with specific host defense modules, including "response to molecule of bacterial origin", "cell activation involved in immune response", and "innate immune response" (Figure 5A), highlighting a conserved functional link between lysosomal activity and immune defense pathways in the bladder epithelium. Altogether, these positive correlations suggest that enhanced lysosomal function represents a conserved pathway integrated within mucosal immunity across species, rather than an isolated cellular response unique to our experimental models.”

      Significance:

      General assessment: Solid experimental design with appropriate controls. Appropriate statistical rigor. Conclusions justified by the data. Limitations acknowledged. Differences in results between mice and humans acknowledged.

      Advance: Moderate technical advance building on prior organoid models. Significant mechanistic advance because OM-89 has been widely used for a long time without detailed understanding of why it works. Moderate conceptual advance that urothelial cells are a targetable determinant of treatment outcomes.

      Audience: I am a basic science researcher in the field of female urogenital tract microbiome and infections. Other researchers studying UTI will certainly be interested in this study. It also may be of interest to people studying other bladder conditions that involve the urothelium (bladder cancer).

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      Referee #2

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      This study examined the effect of OM-89 on UPEC infection, antibiotic clearance, and resurgence in mouse and human organoid models. The goal of the study was to understand the molecular mechanisms by which OM-89 is effective at preventing rUTI in patients.

      Major comments:

      The manuscript is well-written and the figures are well presented. Adequate background information is provided to give the study context and sufficient experimental details are provided to allow replication by other groups. Experiments contain appropriate controls and sufficient replicates to allow appropriate statistical analyses. The authors are careful to acknowledge the differences they observed between the mouse and human system and provide satisfactory potential explanations for these differences. The conclusions they draw are well supported by their data and none of their claims from their data are overstatements. Below are some, which I believe if addressed could improve the paper.

      1. I think the authors overstate the novelty of the concept that the urothelium is an active targetable determinant of infection and treatment outcomes. This is not an entirely new concept since previous studies have examined antimicrobial peptides and other factors from the urothelium.
      2. Depending on the target audience, the Module-Module association analysis could need more introduction. I am not a computational biologist and it was not obviously apparent how Figure 4A is generated and what it actually showing. How specifically does this analysis demonstrate a functional link between lysosomal activity adn immune defense pathways? Without further explanation, it is my opinion that this figure panel is an unnecessary distraction that is not required for any of the conclusions that the group can already draw from the rest of their data.

      Significance

      General assessment: The manuscript has several methodological strengths. These include the use of both mouse and human urothelial models, inclusion of appropriate controls, and sufficient replicates to ensure reproducibility. The statistical methods employed were appropriate. No major methodological weaknesses were identified. The descriptions of methods provide sufficient experimental details to allow the experiments to be reproduced by other labs. The authors did a nice job interpreting their data in light of previous literature. They did not overstate the magnitude or significance of their findings and were careful to acknowledge the limitations in their study design.

      Advance: Moderate technical advance building on prior organoid models. Significant mechanistic advance because OM-89 has been widely used for a long time without detailed understanding of why it works. Moderate conceptual advance that urothelial cells are a targetable determinant of treatment outcomes.

      Audience: I am a basic science researcher in the field of female urogenital tract microbiome and infections. Other researchers studying UTI will certainly be interested in this study. It also may be of interest to people studying other bladder conditions that involve the urothelium (bladder cancer).

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      Referee #1

      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      In this paper, Tomasek and colleagues describe a series of experiments illuminating the effects of OM-89, a bacterial lysate taken orally for prevention of recurrent UTI, on intracellular dynamics of UPEC, using cell culture and organoid models. Suggestions for improvement and for clarification of the authors' conclusions and relevance to human UTI (and OM-89 use) are offered below.

      Major points:

      1. The data indicate that OM-89 exposure in the organoids enhances lysosomal degradation pathways and (in mBOs) autophagic flux, and the authors conclude this is a mechanism by which UPEC regrowth after antibiotic treatment (modeling rUTI) is inhibited by OM-89. They also show enhanced cellular uptake of fluorescently labeled antibiotics (ampicillin) in organoids - this leads them to conclude (and state in the paper's title) that increased intracellular antibiotic concentration effects increased killing of UPEC and decreased regrowth. These are two separate proposed mechanisms, and especially with regard to the antibiotics, they have not shown that increased intracellular antibiotic concentration actually kills intracellular UPEC in their model - only that regrowth as measured microscopically is less. In total, a mechanistic connection between the observed lysosomal effect and the intracellular antibiotic uptake, and which one is more important for UPEC control in this model, is incomplete. The precise wording of the paper's title should be reconsidered accordingly.
      2. OM-89 is taken orally for rUTI prevention, and some "components" reach the urinary tract (line 81). But it isn't explained how applying OM-89 directly to organoids models how its components may reach the bladder epithelium (from the basolateral side, if the OM-89 is applied outside the organoids) in the whole animal or human. At the least, this limitation should be stated in the Discussion.
      3. In the lysosome studies starting on line 319, the cultured cells are all infected (and either treated with OM-89 or not). What observations regarding number and size of vesicles, etc (all the measures in Fig 6) are evident when cells are treated with OM-89 only? These data should be presented (at least as a supplemental figure) to enable optimal interpretation of the OM-89+UPEC data in Fig 6. As the authors themselves indicate, OM-89 may be having a generalized effect on endocytic and/or autophagic flux by bladder epithelial cells, independent of infection.
      4. With the organoids, beyond the microscopic quantification of UPEC, can CFUs be measured?

      Minor points:

      1. In Fig 1A, the "co-application" horizontal line is under the 7-10 hour window, but the text suggests that the application of antibiotics and OM-89 in this experiment is between 4-7 hours.
      2. How are antibiotics and OM-89 "removed" at the 7-hour mark? This was not detailed in the Methods.
      3. What time point was used for the transcriptomic profiling of organoids? This is not clear from the relevant Methods or Results sections.
      4. In showing that OM-89 "attenuated" the magnitude of inflammatory responses (Fig 2C and S3B), it would be helpful to add a panel showing the comparison of OM89+UPEC to PBS alone - this would be expected to convey activity (red) in the infection-related pathways, but to a lower magnitude than seen in UPEC vs PBS.
      5. Similarly, in the results outlined starting on line 196, it would be helpful to add a panel showing OM89+UPEC vs OM89 alone.
      6. In line 236, what is meant by lysosomal "activation"? A more specific term should be chosen here.
      7. In the Abstract (line 25), the phrase "Using bladder organoids..." is a dangling modifier.

      Typographical and copyediting:

      1. Line 74 should read "For instance..."
      2. Line 76 should read "when combined with antibiotic therapy..."
      3. Line 122 should read "...regrowth following antibiotic treatment" or "regrowth post-antibiotic treatment"
      4. Line 138 should use "regimen" not "regime"
      5. Line 196 delete comma after "Although"
      6. Line 244 fully hyphenate "OM-89-mediated"
      7. Line 374 should read "...significantly enhance antibiotic-mediated killing"

      Significance

      The paper is very well written and though a lot of data are included, the presentation is excellent and helps the reader to follow the story. The paper makes a strong contribution to the UTI pathogenesis field, and the use of mouse and human bladder organoids is innovative in studying intracellular UPEC. My scientific expertise as a reviewer is in UPEC pathogenesis, directly relevant to the content of this paper.

    1. retrieval-augmented generation: grounding a model's answer in retrieved data rather than its own training; more on this in the database orchestration section below

      Maybe provide a link? this is a mouthful

    2. e not reliable?

      Ah, perhaps you mean reliable response performance. I was thinking of software reliability ("does it work") rather than performance consistency ("it works this way")

    3. unlocking maximum productivity with agents reliability is going to be a core component.

      I don't follow the reliability word here; but I do agree with the sentiment of 'unlocking maximum productivity with agents will be the core component" - i feel efficiency, safety will be elevated. Reliability is important, but people are more worried about cost and security right now.

    1. Document de Synthèse : Le e-parcours de Promotion de la Santé Île-de-France

      Résumé Exécutif

      Le dispositif « e-parcours », développé par l'association Promotion Santé Île-de-France, est un outil d'auto-formation en ligne conçu pour renforcer les compétences des professionnels de la santé et du secteur médico-social.

      Né d'un constat de carence dans l'offre de formation continue (entre les formations courtes de quelques jours et les cursus universitaires longs), ce parcours s'articule autour de trois modules thématiques : les fondamentaux, l'approche par les déterminants, et l'intégration de la santé dans toutes les politiques publiques.

      Avec plus de 2 300 inscrits depuis fin 2022, le dispositif se distingue par une pédagogie active, interactive et ancrée dans les réalités territoriales, notamment franciliennes.

      Bien que non certifiant au sens universitaire, il est reconnu pour sa capacité à créer une culture commune au sein des équipes et à fournir des outils opérationnels immédiatement transposables sur le terrain.

      Le manque de temps reste le principal obstacle à la complétion totale du parcours par les apprenants.


      1. Genèse et Missions de l'Organisme Promoteur

      Promotion Santé Île-de-France est une association subventionnée principalement par l'Agence Régionale de Santé (ARS) et la préfecture de région.

      Ses missions s'articulent autour de quatre axes majeurs :

      • Plateforme de ressources : Centralisation et diffusion de contenus numériques de référence.

      • Capitalisation d'expériences : Valorisation de projets inspirants développés en Île-de-France.

      • Montée en compétences : Accompagnement des référents et coordonnateurs (ASV, CLS, CLSM, CPTS, MSP).

      • Environnements capacitants : Développement d'actions favorisant des cadres de vie favorables à la santé.

      Le projet « e-parcours » a été initié dès 2018 pour combler un vide pédagogique et offrir une alternative numérique flexible, permettant aux acteurs de se former à leur rythme.


      2. Fondements Pédagogiques du Dispositif

      La conception du parcours repose sur cinq principes directeurs garantissant la qualité de l'apprentissage :

      | Principe | Description | | --- | --- | | Approche par compétences | Utilisation du référentiel européen de 2011, axé sur les compétences généralistes en promotion de la santé. | | Réponse aux besoins | Structuration basée sur des études menées auprès des coordonnateurs territoriaux franciliens. | | Interactivité et Réflexivité | Refus du modèle "descendant" au profit d'exercices ludiques, de vidéos et de mises en situation. | | Autonomie totale | Liberté de rythme, de choix des modules et de scansion de la formation. | | Ancrage territorial | Utilisation systématique d'exemples et d'outils issus du contexte de l'Île-de-France. |


      3. Analyse Structurelle des Modules

      Le parcours est organisé de manière logique, allant de la théorie vers l'application intersectorielle complexe.

      Module 1 : Les Fondamentaux

      Ce module s'adresse aux novices comme aux professionnels souhaitant actualiser leurs connaissances.

      Il couvre :

      • Les concepts clés (prévention, promotion, éducation pour la santé).

      • Les enjeux majeurs (inégalités sociales de santé).

      • Les cadres de référence (Charte d'Ottawa et ses cinq piliers).

      • Format : Études de cas (ex: éducation à la vie affective, alimentation) et ressources audio-visuelles.

      Module 2 : L'Approche par Déterminants

      Ce module propose une méthodologie rigoureuse pour intervenir sur les facteurs influençant la santé :

      • Analyse : Identification des déterminants de santé sur un territoire.

      • Leviers : Détermination des points d'appui (compétences, milieux de vie).

      • Stratégies : Choix des modes d'intervention les plus pertinents.

      • Outils : Mise à disposition d'une grille d'analyse pour la pratique quotidienne.


      4. Focus : La Santé dans Toutes les Politiques (Module 3)

      Sorti en janvier 2024, ce module traite de la complexité des interventions intersectorielles.

      Il part du postulat que les politiques non sanitaires (urbanisme, logement, emploi) ont un impact majeur sur la santé.

      Séquences et Outils Spécifiques :

      • Compréhension de la démarche : Interviews d'élus et de chercheurs pour définir les échelles d'intervention (locale vs nationale).

      • Analyse de contexte : Utilisation d'un "jeu d'enquête" pour identifier les acteurs agissant sur la santé mentale et le lien social sans le savoir.

      • Culture commune et Partenariat :

        • Étude de cas : Précarité énergétique et santé mentale.
      • Outils : Le "Guidup" pour cartographier les partenariats et évaluer leur solidité.

      • Plaidoyer et Influence :

        • Apprentissage des stratégies d'influence via un "jeu de l'oie" symbolisant les avancées et reculs d'un projet.
      • Technique du "pitch de l'ascenseur" pour convaincre les décideurs politiques.

      • Urbanisme Favorable à la Santé (UFS) : Illustration finale montrant comment intégrer la santé dans la planification urbaine et l'aménagement du territoire.


      5. Données d'Évaluation et Impact

      L'analyse des données de 2024 révèle des tendances significatives sur l'usage et l'efficacité du dispositif.

      Statistiques et Profils des Usagers

      • Nombre d'inscrits : Plus de 2 300 personnes.

      • Origine géographique : 50 % de Franciliens.

      • Profils : Acteurs associatifs, agents de collectivités locales, coordonnateurs territoriaux et étudiants.

      Bénéfices Identifiés

      • Légitimation : Les professionnels se sentent plus à l'aise avec les cadres conceptuels et plus légitimes dans leurs fonctions.

      • Culture commune : 11 % des utilisateurs suivent le parcours en équipe, ce qui favorise une vision partagée des projets.

      • Opérationnalité : Les études de cas et la "boîte à outils" sont jugées très utiles pour la pratique de terrain.

      Freins et Améliorations

      • Le temps : Pour 95 % des usagers n'ayant pas terminé le parcours, le manque de temps est le facteur bloquant principal.

      • Densité : Le module 2 a été jugé parfois trop répétitif, menant à une phase de simplification prévue pour 2025.

      • Certification : Bien qu'un système de "badges" existe pour valoriser la participation, le parcours ne délivre pas de diplôme universitaire, bien que sa crédibilité soit assurée par l'expertise de ses 40 partenaires.


      Conclusion

      Le e-parcours de Promotion Santé Île-de-France s'impose comme un dispositif innovant et nécessaire pour la formation continue des acteurs du territoire.

      Par sa structure modulaire et sa pédagogie axée sur le plaisir d'apprendre ("interactif et ludique"), il permet une montée en compétences progressive.

      L'enjeu futur réside dans l'optimisation du temps d'apprentissage et la reconnaissance institutionnelle de cet investissement professionnel.

    1. The focal cost question is live on Metaculus: CM_01 — production cost per kg →. The expert-aggregation version is at CM_03 →. If you forecast on Metaculus, please share your username below so we can link your contributions.

      Add a paragraph in this fold: You may also be interested in the Animal Welfare Futures forecasting tournament we co-launched with Metaculus and Sentient futures. $3,400 in prizes and only about 25 forecasters as of June 26. It includes some cultivated-meat questions (but not the specific cost questions here), alongside other animal-welfare-relevant questions you may find interesting.

      And change the folding block title to "Public forecasting on Metaculus; Animal Futures Tournament"

    1. contributions

      Add a paragraph in this fold: You may also be interested in the Animal Welfare Futures forecasting tournament we co-launched with Metaculus and Sentient futures. $3,400 in prizes and only about 25 forecasters as of June 26. It includes some cultivated-meat questions (but not the specific cost questions here), alongside other animal-welfare-relevant questions you may find interesting.

      And change the folding block title to "Public forecasting on Metaculus; Animal Futures Tournament"

    1. Le Masculinisme : Analyse d'une Menace Idéologique, Politique et Sécuritaire

      Résumé Exécutif

      Ce document de synthèse présente les conclusions des travaux menés par la délégation aux droits des femmes du Sénat concernant la montée des mouvements masculinistes.

      https://www.senat.fr/travaux-parlementaires/office-et-delegations/delegation-aux-droits-des-femmes-et-a-legalite-des-chances/controle-en-clair/montee-en-puissance-des-reseaux-et-mouvements-masculinistes.html

      Fruit de huit mois de recherches, d'une centaine d'auditions et de déplacements de terrain, ce rapport qualifie le masculinisme non pas comme une simple tendance numérique, mais comme une idéologie réactionnaire structurée menaçant le socle démocratique.

      Les points clés identifiés sont les suivants :

      • Une menace pour la démocratie : Le masculinisme vise l'effondrement des principes d'égalité et la remise en cause des droits acquis par les femmes.

      • Une radicalisation numérique fulgurante : Les algorithmes, notamment celui de TikTok, peuvent mener un jeune vers des contenus toxiques en moins de 36 minutes.

      • Un continuum de violence : Le mouvement s'étend du sexisme quotidien aux crimes de haine, jusqu'à la menace terroriste (mouvance "Incel").

      • Un business lucratif : L'économie du masculinisme génère des profits massifs pour les influenceurs et les plateformes via la monétisation de la haine et des "formations" à la virilité.

      • Nécessité d'une réponse globale : Les rapporteurs appellent à une stratégie interministérielle, une régulation européenne accrue des plateformes et un renforcement massif de l'éducation à la vie affective.


      1. Définition et Généalogie du Masculinisme

      Le masculinisme est défini comme une stratégie d'adaptation du patriarcat face aux avancées des droits des femmes.

      Il ne s'agit pas d'un phénomène nouveau, mais d'une reconfiguration de l'antiféminisme ancien, amplifiée par la puissance technologique actuelle.

      Un agenda politique illibéral

      Le rapport souligne que le masculinisme s'inscrit dans un contexte international de montée des mouvements réactionnaires.

      Il est perçu comme un "cheval de Troie" visant à détruire les démocraties en :

      • Disqualifiant systématiquement la parole des femmes.

      • Remettant en cause le principe d'égalité comme "hérésie" (référence aux thèses de Peter Thiel).

      • S'alliant idéologiquement avec le suprémacisme blanc, l'homophobie et la transphobie.

      La symbolique de la "Pilule Rouge" (Red Pill)

      Le langage codé est central : les adeptes sont invités à prendre la "Red Pill" pour voir un monde prétendument dominé par les femmes, où les hommes seraient les véritables victimes d'une "crise de la masculinité".


      2. L'Espace Numérique : Vecteur de Radicalisation

      Les réseaux sociaux ont permis la création d'une "manosphère" où les discours misogynes sont banalisés et amplifiés par les algorithmes.

      Mécanismes d'exposition et d'adhésion

      L'adhésion au masculinisme n'est pas automatique, mais l'exposition est massive : 2/3 des hommes de 16 à 34 ans connaissent un influenceur masculiniste.

      • Portes d'entrée anodines : Le sport (musculation), le développement personnel, les conseils en nutrition ou la séduction servent de "produits d'appel".

      • Rapidité algorithmique : Sur TikTok, il suffit de 36 minutes pour qu'un jeune garçon soit orienté vers des contenus masculinistes.

      Ce temps est encore plus réduit pour les moins de 13 ans.

      • Facteurs de vulnérabilité : L'isolement social, l'échec scolaire ou relationnel rendent les jeunes plus réceptifs à ces discours offrant des réponses simplistes à leurs doutes.

      Plateformes et Responsabilités

      Le rapport dénonce le manque de régulation :

      • X (anciennement Twitter) : Refuse toute audition et ne pratique aucune régulation.

      • TikTok et Meta : Pointés pour leur passivité malgré les règles affichées.

      • YouTube : Permet la monétisation de contenus haineux, générant des revenus pouvant atteindre 18 000 € par mois pour certains influenceurs, voire 100 000 $ pour les plus importants.


      3. Analyse de la Menace Sécuritaire

      Le masculinisme est analysé comme un continuum de violences, allant des stéréotypes ancrés jusqu'au passage à l'acte terroriste.

      État du sexisme en France (Données HCE 2026)

      Le Haut Conseil à l'Égalité distingue deux niveaux de sexisme :

      | Type de Sexisme | Caractéristiques | Adhérents estimés | | --- | --- | --- | | Paternaliste | Rôles traditionnels (homme pourvoyeur, femme soignante). | 12,5 millions (7,5M d'hommes, 5M de femmes) | | Hostile | Hiérarchie des genres, contrôle et domination de la femme. | 10 millions (17% de la population dont 2/3 d'hommes) |

      Radicalisation et Terrorisme "Incel"

      La mouvance la plus radicale est celle des Incels (célibataires involontaires), associée à l'idéologie de la "Blackpill" (désespoir total menant à la violence).

      • Surveillance : La DGSI suit de près cette menace, notant un rajeunissement drastique des profils radicalisés.

      • Faits marquants : Un attentat imminent a été déjoué à Saint-Étienne en juillet 2025.

      • Féminicides : Le rapport considère chaque féminicide comme un crime masculiniste, expression ultime de la volonté de propriété de l'homme sur la femme (1283 victimes de féminicides ou tentatives en 2024).


      4. Recommandations et Stratégies de Lutte

      Face à l'ampleur du phénomène, la délégation propose une série de mesures structurantes.

      Prévention et Éducation

      • Éducation à la vie affective (EVARS) : Rendre effectif cet enseignement obligatoire pour contrer l'éducation sexuelle par le porno.

      • Éducation aux médias et aux algorithmes : Former les jeunes à l'esprit critique face aux mécanismes de recommandation des plateformes.

      • Formation des professionnels : Acculturer les enseignants, les magistrats et les forces de l'ordre aux "signaux faibles" de la radicalisation masculiniste.

      Mesures Législatives et Réglementaires

      • Interdiction des réseaux sociaux avant 15 ans : Une mesure pour endiguer la diffusion massive chez les plus jeunes.

      • Responsabilisation des plateformes : Intégrer le masculinisme comme "risque systémique" dans le cadre du Digital Services Act (DSA) européen.

      • Démonétisation : Couper les revenus des influenceurs propageant des contenus misogynes.

      Action Publique et Judiciaire

      • Stratégie Interministérielle : Créer un pilotage unique coordonnant la Justice, l'Intérieur, l'Éducation et la Santé.

      • Soutien aux associations féministes : Augmenter les moyens budgétaires pour permettre un contre-discours efficace en ligne.

      • Qualification pénale : Mobiliser davantage la circonstance aggravante de haine fondée sur le genre, souvent délaissée au profit de qualifications plus simples (comme l'état d'ébriété).

      Conclusion

      Le masculinisme représente une offensive culturelle et politique majeure.

      Le rapport conclut que le combat ne doit pas être uniquement judiciaire ou technique, mais doit constituer une mobilisation de l'ensemble de la société.

      Le monde politique est invité à prendre ses responsabilités en cessant de banaliser les discours sexistes qui alimentent la crédibilité des mouvements masculinistes.

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      Point-by-point response to the reviewers (____blue____)

      Dear Editor,

      Thank you for taking care of our manuscript. We are pleased to see that the reviewers are positive about our manuscript. We have amended our manuscript to address nearly all the reviewer’s comments. See below our point by points answer Although we cannot fully establish the exact function of the serine protease homolog Skanda in the Drosophila immune response, our study that combines both biochemistry and genetic provides important insight on the Toll-PO cascade and its complexity

      With best regards,

      Bruno Lemaitre on the behalf of the authors


      __Review____er #1 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)): __

      In the manuscript entitled "The serine protease homolog Skanda modulates Toll-phenoloxidase-mediated immunity in Drosophila," Vasanth et al characterize in detail a previously unstudied component of the insect immune response using first biochemical and then in vivo methods. Using proteins overexpressed and purified from insect cells, the authors provide evidence that Skanda could be a negative regulator of the SP cascade, impacting cleavage of proHayan and proPsh, and consequently Toll pathway and PPO1 activation. This work reaches further by transposing these findings into the D. melanogaster in vivo model. Here, however, the picture becomes more confusing as Skanda at native levels does not appear to regulate either the Toll pathway or the melanization cascade. Only one strong phenotype was identified in that decreased expression of Skanda increased susceptibility to S. aureus infection while increased expression decreased susceptibility. The mechanism for this remains unclear. To their credit, the authors carry out an in-depth analysis to rule out all the obvious possibilities. In the discussion, the authors explore the basis of discrepancies between their biochemical and genetic findings. We would suggest that an additional one to consider is differing roles or behaviors of Skanda in the microenvironments of the local site of injury (where S. aureus may be contained when it is tolerated) and the hemolymph. In summary, this is a valuable analysis of the innate immune component Skanda whose role has become somewhat clearer through these studies, but still remains obscure.

      We thank the reviewer for this general assessment of our article. We agree with his idea that discrepancies between the biochemical and genetic findings arise from differing roles or behaviors of Skanda in the microenvironments of the local site of injury and the hemolymph’. We added the following sentence in the discussion: ‘The presence of Skanda in the hemolymph (Rommelaere et al. 2025) suggests a role in the systemic immune response; however, we cannot exclude that it may be particularly important within the local microenvironments at sites of injury’.

      __Major Comments __ - To assess bimodal distribution of bacterial ds within single flies in Fig 6E, authors should either: increase the sample size to allow for proper statistical assessment of different distributions among genotypes, specifically between w1118 and skanda_d107; or, provide a modelling framework for statistical testing. Otherwise, the present results seem insufficient to conclude that Skanda is playing a role in resistance to S. aureus. We agree with the reviewer that our bacterial count was not enough developed. In the revised version we add a new Figure 6E with two time points 13h and 16h that were chosen before flies start to die from S. aureus. We observe at 13h a significantly higher bacterial count in the Skanda mutants but not at the 16 hours although there is higher proportion of wild-type flies that have clear the bacteria. These observations suggest a role of Skanda to resist, but also tolerate S. aureus. The fast killing induced by systemic injury with a low dose S. aureus made difficult to find a condition that would allow to see a clear load difference. So we have amended our text to highlight that Skanda could also play a role in tolerance.

      We agree with the reviewer but measuring the BLUD with S. aureus is rather challenging as flies die quickly to this bacterium. As mentioned above and following revised figure 6E, we discuss in the revised version that Skanda could be involved in both resistance and tolerance.

      • The error bars on qRT-PCR datasets are large, the data points are not shown so we do not know how many replicates were included in the graphs (Fig 5 B and C, Fig 6C, Fig 7 A and B, and Fig 8B). Bar plots are not the most faithful reproduction of biological datasets, as they can hinder significant information regarding datapoints distribution and variation (Beyond Bar and Line Graphs: Time for a New Data Presentation Paradigm | PLOS Biology). We advise that, particularly in the case of datasets such as qRT-PCR, the final values of fold change are represented with individual dots, with the mean value clearly represented, whether with or without the additional bar graph. Furthermore, no statistical tests were applied to determine significance. Data points should be shown and appropriate statistical tests should be applied. The number of biological replicates should be included in the analysis and the statistical test applied should be noted in the figure legends.

      We have changed the figures related to qRT-PCR to show the individual points and we have added statistics in the revised version.

      • Although there are claims of Skanda conferring resistance to S. aureus infection, only Drs levels are tested. These conclusions could be strengthened by assessing expression levels of additional AMPs.

      In the revised manuscript, we report the expression of BomS1 in wild-type, skanda, and spz mutants following S. aureus infection. As previously observed for Drosomycin, Skanda does not markedly affect BomS1 expression (new Supplementary Figure S3E).

      __Minor Comments __ - Parag. 1: (data not shown) should be removed and if possible AlphaFold prediction of skanda conformation added. Alternatively, remove sentence.

      We have removed (data not shown) and indicated that the information derived from Alphafold.

      • Parg. 3: 1000 mL? why not 1L?

      Corrected.

      • Parag. 5: , in last sentence that should be .

      Corrected.

      • Parag. 6: "a role at the same position..." does not convey the correct messageWe have improved the sentence for ‘Our results indicate that Grass processes Skanda in the Toll–PO SP cascade, consistent with Skanda acting at the same level of the proteolytic cascade as Hayan and Psh’.

      • Figure axes (5D, 5E, 6D, etc...) of melanization assays are wrongly named "% melanisation", with "s"

      We have corrected for “Melanization”.

      • Parag. 21: compound mutants (if correctly interpreted as dataset presented in Fig. 8B) were tested at 6h, 24h and 48h, and not 32h, as written in the text

      Indeed, in figure 8B, we monitored expression at 6, 24 and 32h and not 48h. This has been corrected.

      • Results section "skanda is not mandatory for the activation of the Toll pathway" adopts a literal translation which would probably be better phrased as "is not essential"

      We have corrected accordingly.

      • Discussion parag. 2: "Skanda exhibits..."

      • Discussion last parag: "..., but also underlies..."

      • It has been evidenced that

      This has been corrected.

      Additional comments: - The sentence on page 2 beginning with "Upon binding, these PRRs..." is very long and difficult to follow. This should be rewritten.

      We have split this sentence in two shorter ones for clarity.

      • In many places in the manuscript bacterial "dose" is used in place of bacterial burden. The dose is the amount of a substance or bacterium given to the animal.

      We have changed ‘bacterial dose’ for ‘bacterial burden’ when relevant, and we have kept the term “dose” when we mentioned the OD used to infect flies.

      Page 11: Skanda is described as a placeholder when I think a (competitive) inhibitor would be more appropriate.

      We agree that Skanda functionally resembles a competitive inhibitor, but several key differences set it apart from classical small-molecule inhibitors. First, Skanda is comparable in size and structure to Persephone and Hayan, natural substrates of Grass. Second, Skanda-like SPHs, which have close SP paralogs (e.g., Psh), are common in insects (Cao and Jiang, 2019), indicating that they may constitute a distinct class of negative regulators that warrants its own terminology. Moreover, because amplification in protease cascades typically occurs at the terminal step. Negative regulation by Skanda in an intermediate step could be more stochiometric than the freely reversible inhibition expected for a typical competitive inhibitor. As Skanda’s mechanism remains unclear. the neutral term “placeholder” seems more appropriate than “competitive inhibitor”.

      **Referee cross-commenting**

      I agree with the comments of the other reviewers.

      Reviewer #1 (Significance (Required)):

      Strengths: The authors take a multi-disciplinary biochemical and in vivo approach to understand the molecular interactions among SPs and SPHs and thereby uncover the role of the protein Skanda that might otherwise not have been appreciated. They have made extensive use of novel transgenic fly lines, generated in the context of this study, and have thoroughly tested their specificity and cis-acting potential. These will provide a resource to the field. In addition to the new description of Skanda, these findings strengthen previous knowledge regarding systemic infections with different bacteria (M. luteus, S. aureus) and reproduce the known redundancies of Psh and Hayan modes of action. Moreover, this research is relevant for the expansion of basic knowledge on innate immunity, particularly in the field of insect-pathogen interactions, making use of S. frugiperda cell lines and D. melanogaster adults and larvae. Although not at the focus of this work, the evolutionary conserved nature of these aspects of innate immunity across these two distant species enhance the importance of these findings.

      Weaknesses: Some assays do not include enough biological replicates and others do not have enough information on how many biological replicates were performed. Therefore, the conclusions drawn are difficult to assess. Lack of statistical analysis on the qPCR experiments complicates the interpretation of results.

      We thank the reviewer for his assessment. We have added the number of replicates in the revised version and make visible the variability of our data.

      __Review____er #2 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)): __

      Summary In this work the authors identify the SPH skanda as an important player in Drosophila resistance to S. aureus infections independent of Toll and classical melanization. The authors conducted rigorous in vitro assays using recombinant proteins of various SPs in the Drosophila Toll-PO cascade to show that skanda negatively regulates activation cleavage of SPs at the level of and downstream of Psh and hayan, two key SPs that converge on Toll pathway activation with the latter playing a central role in cuticular melanization. In parallel, genetic analysis using mutant flies showed that skanda does not negatively regulate Toll pathway nor melanization. Only skanda over expression in vivo led to a reduction in S. aureus melanization which, in my opinion, is most likely due to the artificial increase in the in vivo concentration of the protein rather than an indication of a potential true function. Altogether this an interesting work as it shows the discrepancies between the biochemical and genetic approaches when it comes to dissecting the insect SP cascades regulating melanization and Toll as highlighted by the authors themselves in the discussion section. All experimental work is well controlled, methodology is robust and results are adequately discussed. I have some comments concerning few experiments and interpretations that in my opinion warrant further discussion.

      We thank the reviewer for the analysis and agree that the result showing than Skanda negatively regulates melanization could be due to over-expression.

      __Major comments: __ 1- It seems that SP48 and Grass can redundantly cleave Skanda although the later cleaves more strongly. (Fig 3B) Can other downstream SPs cleave skanda? Can ModSp alone cleave skanda? (ModSP + skanda lane was absent for Fig 3B). It is important to test these possibilities as the in vitro system may be quite relaxed as to the specificity of these cleavage events and may not reflect what happens in vivo. In fact it has been shown in Anopheles gambiae that SPH can be redundantly cleaved by multiple SP in the protease cascade. Although these are cascades with certain hierarchy, information can still flow in more than one direction along the different branches of these cascades.

      We tested whether ModSP could cleave pro-Skanda and found that it did not (data not shown). This result is consistent with our expectations, as ModSP has a chymoelastase-like specificity and preferentially cleavage after Leu. In contrast, Skanda is cleaved by Grass and cSP48, both of which are trypsin-like proteases.

      At present, there is no straightforward way to assess whether downstream SPs activate pro-Skanda. Obtaining an active downstream SP would require sequential activation of all its upstream enzymes, and it is nearly impossible to completely remove these activating proteases afterward. As a result, it is difficult to distinguish the activity of a downstream SP from that of cSP48 and Grass. We are currently developing a new approach to overcome this limitation.

      2- In Fig 4B and 4C the bands of active forms should be quantified from at least 3 immunoblots for robust results especially in Fig 4C where the differences are minimal.

      As suggested by the reviewer, we quantified the band intensities from four independent blots and presented the data in Fig. 4B and 4C (lower panels).

      3- It is not clear to me why skanda should have a specific role in resisting S. aureus infections despite that S. aureus is not a natural pathogen of Drosophila? Has other Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria been tested?

      It is true that S. aureus is unlikely to be a natural pathogen of Drosophila. However, this bacterium has been used in several studies (notably Dudzic 2019) to uncover a specific activity associated with melanization modules that is distinct from cuticular blackening. For this reason, we believe that S. aureus provides a sensitive assay to monitor this particular immune mechanism. We further hypothesize that other bacteria related to S. aureus—possibly members of the Staphylococcus family—may infect Drosophila and could be controlled by Skanda. We chose not to elaborate on this point to avoid overextending the scope of the article.

      4- In Fig 6E more points should be collected for statistical power. It is also better to show these data that are not normally distributed in violin charts or boxes and whiskers which give a better indication as to which quartile the bulk of the data belongs.

      We have addressed this point (see answer to Reviewer 1).

      Minor comments: 5- In Figures 3 and 4, It would be easier to follow the cleavage events if a schematic drawing is provided showing the sequence of activation cleavage events of the tested SPs

      Because the order of the two cleavage events is unclear, we felt it was simpler to include the putative cleavage sites in Fig. 2B and refer interested readers to Fig. S1, Table S1, and Fig. 3 legend.

      6- The fact that PPO1/PPO2 depleted flies exhibit increased Drs expression could be due to increased bacterial proliferation in this mutant background that trigger increased Toll stimulation, rather than a negative feedback mechanism. This increased proliferation is shown in Fig 6E.

      This is a good point. The higher expression of Drs in PO1/PPO2 depleted flies could be associated to higher bacterial load in the mutant, or to negative feedback of the melanization reaction. This higher Toll pathway activation has been further characterized in Liu et al., (Plos pathogen 2025) where it was suggested that it relate to a negative feedback loop between the Toll and the melanization cascade.

      7- In Fig 6E more points should be collected for statistical power. It is also better to show these data that are not normally distributed in violin charts or boxes and whiskers which give a better indication as to which quartile the bulk of the data belongs.

      We have addressed this point. See answer to reviewer 1 for discussion.

      8- A phenotype for skanda in melanization was observed only in over-expression assays which may artificially alter molecular interactions in the cascade.

      We agree with this statement and we have added a comment in the discussion of the revised manuscript about the potential artifactual results due to over-expression.

      9- Page 10 last paragraph "peak expression at 32 hrs or 48 hrs as shown on the figure?"

      This is 32h and has been corrected.

      10- The differences in Drs expression levels in Hayan-pshDef and psh-skandaDef double mutant flies infected with M. luteus and S. aureus is surprising. I wonder whether the observed differences are due to biochemical differences in the microbial surfaces to which these cascades are recruited.

      Drs expression is markedly higher following systemic infection with M. luteus than with S. aureus, consistent with the different bacterial doses used. We deliberately employed a low dose of S. aureus because this condition reveals a pronounced susceptibility in skanda flies. Consequently, direct comparison between these two infection regimes remains challenging.

      11- There are several typos in the manuscript

      We have carefully re-read the manuscript and corrected several typos.

      Reviewer #2 (Significance (Required)):

      The main strength of this work is that it combines biochemistry and genetics in a strong genetic model to characterize the biochemical interactions between SPH and Sp in clip cascades and relate the relevant interactions observed in vitro with potential in vivo functions. This is the first time that such a rigorous combined approach was adopted to the study of these cascades. The results obtained also show the advantages and limitations of each approach. As such i believe this study will be of interest to a broad audience in the field of insect immunity.

      __Review____er #3 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)): __

      __Summary: __

      Serine protease cascades are central for activation of immune responses in insects. In Drosophila melanogaster, Toll signaling pathway has been quite extensively studied, and several serine proteases, serpins and serine protease homologs (SPH) with functions in Toll activation have been identified. In this work, the authors characterize a new component of this system, a SPH which they name Skanda. Skanda seems to have multiple roles/points of action, on one hand participating in the regulation of Toll together with the established serine protease in the Toll activation, Psh, and on the other hand controlling the response to a systemic S. aureus infection, via not yet fully specified mechanism.

      __Major comments: __

      Key conclusions made in this work are convincing, and backed up by the data presented. The data and methods are presented in a way that allows reproduction of the experiment. The number of individuals used especially in the infection experiment (20 male flies per a replicate) is on the lower side, but the experiments are adequately replicated and the effects seen are clear.

      While this work contributes to our understanding of the regulatory mechanisms governing Toll signaling, at times the authors' reasoning is difficult to follow. I recognize that this is a complex topic, with multiple upstream branches activating Toll signaling, and the authors do consider various mechanisms that could explain their findings. However, the manuscript would benefit from additional clarification, perhaps through a schematic model illustrating the proposed effects of Skanda, to help readers position Skanda within the broader context of Toll signaling. We have done our best to explain the Toll serine protease and added a figure at the beginning of the manuscript. Since we cannot position Skanda in the Toll-Po cascade yet, we prefer to avoid drawing a model. We believe that this study highlights our ignorance of the complexity of serine protease cascades acting upstream of Spätzle and Melanization.

      Statistical analyses for the Drs expression experiments are lacking.

      The statistical analysis for Drs expression has been added in the revised version.

      __Minor comments: __

      The authors could explain what type of cells the sf9 cells are and why they decided to use them.

      Sf9 cells are an insect ovarian cell line derived from Spodoptera frugiperda and are widely used for baculovirus-mediated expression of eukaryotic proteins. They support proper protein folding, disulfide bond formation, and post-translational processing. This information is now mentioned in the Result section in addition to methods.

      Band intensities could be measured and plotted for the immunoblots. The immunoblot methods should be fully described in the Materials and methods section.

      Thanks for the suggestion. We have done this accordingly and included the results in Fig. 4B and Fig. 4C (lower panels). Brief descriptions of densitometric analyses have been added to the figure legends.

      Protein levels of Skanda in the Skanda mutant could be shown as the mRNA levels remain relatively high (Sup. Fig 3B). If this is not possible, could the authors comment on the remaining expression of Skanda in the Skanda mutants?

      We have added a comment on this point: The skanda mutation is a frameshift mutation that affects the coding sequence. There are still transcripts although not functional. The decreased expression of Skanda in SkandaD107 is probably due to non-sense-mediated RNA decay caused by the frameshift.

      Under the heading "Loss of skanda does not further enhance the cuticular melanization defects caused by the loss of Hayan or psh" the text should refer to figure 5D not 5B.

      We have corrected this mistake in the revised version.

      Figure 6C shows that Drs expression is higher in the Skanda mutant than in controls at 32 h post S. aureus infection (although this has not been statistically tested). The authors don't mention this result in the manuscript, but to me it fits with the idea of Skanda acting as a negative regulator (the effect of which is accumulating and seen only late after infection). Could the authors comment on this? We do not think that the higher expression of Drs in Skanda mutant upon S. aureus systemic infection is due a negative regulation the Toll pathway but rather to higher S. aureus burden. We conclude this because Drs is not higher than the wild-type upon injection of M. luteus and proteases. At this stage, we cannot exclude that there are differences between M. luteus and S. aureus.

      Under the heading "Psh and skanda redundantly regulate Toll signaling", the comparison should likely be between Figures 7A-7B and 5B-C (rather than 5A). When examining the effects of single versus double mutants on Drs expression, the Psh-Skanda double mutant clearly reduces Drs more than the Psh single mutant. However, in the context of microbial proteases, the pattern appears different: there is virtually no difference at 6 hours, while at 48 hours there may be a slight decrease in Drs expression in the double mutant compared to the Psh single mutant, although this difference would likely not reach statistical significance if tested. I don't know what this could mean, but I'd like to hear the authors' take on this. The reviewer is correct and we have revised our manuscript to mention the appropriate figure. Figures 7A-7B and 5B-C.

      The reviewer raised a good point; we believe that the additional effect of Skanda in absence of Psh is less marked upon microbial proteases because Psh already has a strong effect by itself in sensing proteases. In contrast there is higher redundancy between Psh and Hayan upon M. luteus and consequently the double mutant psh, Skanda have a stronger effect.

      __**Referee cross-commenting** __

      I also agree with the comments and points raised by the other reviewers.

      __Review____er #3 (Significance (Required)): __

      Research on the Drosophila immune response has significantly advanced our understanding of (innate) immune responses, both generally and in an evolutionary context. Despite over three decades of study, this work demonstrates that there are aspects of Toll signaling that remain unresolved. The authors identify a novel regulator of the Toll pathway and begin to elucidate its functions. Equally important, their findings underscore the complexity and context-dependency of the regulatory events that shape immune responses.

      We fully agree with the assessment of the reviewer. Our study highlights the complexity (and our ignorance) of this important facet of Drosophila immunity, as mentioned in the last sentence of the discussion.

      My fields of expertise are Drosophila melanogaster, innate immunity, cell-mediated immunity.

      __Review____er #4 (Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required)): __

      __Summary __

      In this study, the authors investigate the function of Skanda, a serine protease homolog (SPH) in Drosophila innate immunity using both biochemical and genetical approaches. The reason to focus on this SPH is that it lies at the same locus as two key proteases of Drosophila immune defenses, Hayan and Persephone, all of which are induced by an immune challenge. After having modeled this SPH and shown that the three amino-acid of the serine protease catalytic triad are either mutated or poorly oriented, they report that Skanda may limit the cleavage of proteases downstream of Grass, a key event for their biochemical activation. The study of an isogenized, putatively null, mutant line failed to reveal any impact of skanda on Toll pathway activation nor on melanization, albeit a strong but not moderate overexpression somewhat inhibits the formation of a melanization scab only after "clean" but not septic injury. These results are not in keeping with the biochemical analysis: the mutant would have been expected to display an enhanced immune response. Unexpectedly, skanda mutants are as highly susceptible to a low amount of Staphylococcus aureus injection as flies deleted for the adult-expressed phenoloxidases PPO1 and PPO2, melanization playing a key role in host defense in this infection paradigm. No strong impact on the bacterial load was detected at the sole investigated time point, 24h. Because the analysis of the single skanda mutant did not unambiguously reveal its role in host defense, the authors then studied double or triple mutants of the three protease genes and found a redundant role for Skanda with Persephone for Toll pathway activation after a challenge with a nonpathogenic Gram-positive bacterium or a bacterial protease. In the case of S. aureus infection, a strong induction of the Drosomycin gene, is observed at 48h of infection in the compound mutants, which was not observed with the nonpathogenic challenges. Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      __Major comments __

      The authors state that "These results are consistent with a role of Skanda in resistance to S. aureus". This conclusion rests on a very fragile experiment that measured the bacterial burden 24h after challenge with a low dose of S. aureus: whereas wild-type control flies exhibit a dual low and high distribution of bacterial loads, skanda flies exhibit only the higher values. However, the bacterial load in skanda appears to be as high in persephone mutant flies that are much less sensitive to S. aureus than skanda flies. This makes it highly unlikely that the high susceptibility of skanda to S. aureus is due solely to resistance. The problem is compounded by the poor description of the experiment: it is not stated anywhere how many times the experiment has been performed, whether pooled data are shown, what each data point represents, pooled or single flies. A fine-grained time course with more biological samples would definitely be needed to convince the reader of a (limited) role in resistance. The authors do not consider the alternative, but not exclusive, possibility that skanda plays also a role in disease tolerance. The determination of the bacterial load upon death of single flies may provide some clues about this alternative function (Duneau et al., eLife, 2017). Another approach might be to determine whether the bacterial supernatant is toxic and whether skanda might protect from this toxicity. As Bomanins play a role in the host defense against S. aureus (this study, but see also Hanson et al., eLife 2019 in which the 55C deficiency susceptibility phenotype was stronger) and given the role of Bomanins in host defense against Gram-positive bacteria or fungal infections both in resistance and disease tolerance (e.g., Clemmons et al. PLoS Pathogens 2015, Lindsay et al., J. Innate Immun, 2018, Xu et al., EMBO Reports 2023, Lou et al., BioRxiv, 2025) and that BomS1 has an optimal Dorsal-related Immune Factor Binding site (Busse et al. EMBO J. , 2007), it may be useful to monitor the expression of several Bom genes in complement to that of the expression of Drosomycin, especially after S. aureus challenge. Furthermore, BomT1 is the only peptide that appears to play a role in resistance against Gram-positive bacteria, namely against E. faecalis. This series of qPCR experiments is rapid to make, provided the authors have kept the cDNAs of their samples.

      To address the reviewer’s comment, we extended the bacterial load analysis of S. aureus in skanda mutants (new figure 6E). Our results support a role for Skanda in both resistance and disease tolerance. This point is now briefly discussed in the Results section, and we have added references highlighting a role of the Toll pathway in disease tolerance. We did not elaborate further, as accurately monitoring S. aureus burden following low-dose infection remains technically challenging given the high pathogenicity of this bacterium.

      In the Discussion, the authors speculate "that Skanda acts at the level of Persephone-Hayan to allow Hayan to activate the Toll pathway. Skanda would skew the activity of the Persephone-Hayan platform to induce Toll signaling and resistance to S. aureus rather than cuticular melanization". This model does not fit with the fact that SPE is only moderately susceptible to S. aureus (Dudzic et al., 2019) and that spätzle mutant flies are either not sensitive at all (Dudzic et al., 2019) or moderately sensitive to it (Hanson et al., eLife, 2019) (see also below). Whether it may apply to host defense against other pathogens remains to be determined. To better understand the function of skanda, considering only S. aureus may be limiting as this bacterium is fundamentally not susceptible to the canonical Toll intracellular signaling cascade (e.g., Bischoff et al, Nat Immunol, 2004, Dudzic et al, Cell Reports, 2019) and to the final part of the Toll-activation proteolytic cascade as discussed above with SPE and Spätzle. The authors appear to have chosen not to display the results they have gained with Enterococcus faecalis (but forgot to remove their mention at two places in the Material and Methods): it would definitely be interesting to know what the outcome of these experiments was and also to investigate the susceptibility and microbial burden of skanda mutants to representative yeast and filamentous fungal pathogens, Aspergillus fumigatus being of special interest since its proliferation is limited through melanization whereas the Toll pathway protects against secreted virulence factors (Xu et al., EMBO Reports, 2023). This series of experiments would likely take some three months and might give additional insights into Skanda function(s).

      We agree with the reviewer that examining the role of Skanda in response to additional bacterial species could further help elucidate its function. However, the most robust phenotype we identified is a strong acute susceptibility to S. aureus, which is dependent on the Psh–Hayan–Skanda axis but independent of the SPE–Spätzle pathway. Because the bacterial strains suggested by the reviewers are primarily controlled by the SPE–Spätzle–Toll pathway, we did not pursue this direction further. However, in the revised version we have added survival analysis with Skanda to Candida albicans and Enterococcus faecalis (new supplement Figure 3F and G). Notably, we also observed an intermediate susceptibility to both Candida albicans and E. faecalis (see below). This indicates that Skanda is not a classical regulator of the Toll-PO cascade such as Grass, ModSP, SPE or Hayan/SPE.

      In general, figure legends are not highly informative and fail to provide key information such as the number of independent experiments, whether the data are representative or pooled, which statistical test was used, e.g., qPCR experiments (the descriptions are available for the analysis of survival and melanization experiments at the end of the Mat. and Meth section). As noted above, critical information is lacking to understand microbial load graphs. It is also difficult to check statements such as: ", while psh[sk1] flies showed a reduced Toll pathway reponse". Indeed, no statistical analysis has been performed to analyze any RTqPCR data. Given the low number of experimental data points, each data point ought to be displayed and not bar graphs, for which in addition the error bars are not defined. The Material and Methods section is incomplete. It does not include a description of all the in vitro synthesized proteins used in this study nor indicate the different tags. The primary and secondary antibodies used for Western blot analysis are not reported, e.g., those that detect cleaved spätzle. This would need to be included in the Table at the beginning of this section.

      In the revised version, we have addressed these points by adding statistical tests to the RT–qPCR analyses, displaying all data points, and improving the microbial load measurement. As discussed in the Material and Methods section, Table S2 provides information for all in vitro synthesized proteins used in this study, including affinity tags and the primary and secondary antibodies. On a more personal note, we first identified the striking susceptibility of Skanda/CG15046 flies more than 10 years ago, and the skanda project subsequently experienced a long period of discontinuation before we decided to reassemble and consolidate the most important findings. Unfortunately, this study did not result in a straightforward narrative with a “happy ending.” Nevertheless, we still consider this work an important step toward a better characterization of this aspect of fly immunity.

      __Minor points __ Introduction: 1. The authors may want to cite Stein, Cho&Stevens, FLY, 2013 when referring to the proteolytic cascade regulating the establishment of dorso-ventral patterning.

      This reference has been added

      The statement "The Toll-PO SP cascade can be DIRECTLY activated at the level of Psh-Hayan, through direct cleavage of the Psh protease bait region by microbial proteases" may be slightly misleading as only subtilisin is able to do this, the other tested proteases producing an inactive cleaved Psh that needed to be secondarily activated by a couple of specific cathepsins (Issa et al., Molecular Cell, 2018).

      Good point. This point has been corrected with the Issa reference added.

      Results 3. The reasoning of the second paragraph is difficult to follow as the reader does not understand how the cleavage sites can be computed. It would be important to state that the recombinant proteins are tagged. It would actually be very helpful to provide a scheme of the various recombinant proteins used in the study as had been done in the Shan et al., Science Advances article.

      We followed the reviewer’s good suggestions, modified the text accordingly, and added Table S2.

      With respect to Western blots, many of the bands are faint, e.g., SPE after the addition of Skanda cannot be detected on a printed version of the figure. It is also difficult to determine whether the reduction in band amount is reproducible as no indications are given in this respect. It is important that the images be quantified in several independent blots so that the observed reduction can be statistically assessed. With respect to PPO1 cleavage, it would be important to also check its cleavage in vivo, which would yield higher confidence on the relevance of in vitro study to the in vivo situation.

      In response to the reviewer’s suggestions, we repeated SDS-PAGE and immunoblot analysis, quantified band intensities, and performed statistical analyses for the samples shown in Fig. 3B and 3C (lower panels). The total number of blots for each representative is 3 to 4. For practical reasons, we are unable to assess PPO1 cleavage in vivo.

      First sentence of the paragraph "skanda mutants are highly susceptible": the authors might also want to cite Hanson et al, eLife 2019.

      We have added the Hanson reference and Ryckebusch et al 2025, which is more appropriate.

      In Dudzic et al., Cell Reports, 2019, the authors did not observe any susceptibility to S. aureus with Hayan[sk3] whereas here they find an intermediate sensitivity phenotype with Hayan[sk6]. Was the former not a null allele of Hayan? With respect to the 55C Bomanin deficiency, Hanson et al., 2019 had reported a stronger phenotype than that shown in Fig. 8A, with some 75% of flies dead within three days. Which study should we trust or does this reflect variations between experiments (hence the question about the representation of survival data: are these pooled data from thre independent experiments; how much variation was there between independent experiments?).

      Both Hayan mutant flies were null. We observed differences along the years with different experimenters; although the main results stand. We also tend to observe a stronger impact of psh than initially reported in response to M. luteus (Figure 5B), although this is consistent with its role in the PRR-Grass-SPE pathway. Considering all the parameters that influence survival experiments (temperature, humidity, time to form the bacterial pellet and sometimes bacterial strains) and possible cryptic infections (Nora infection), we consider these variations as expectable.

      It would be interesting to measure the S. aureus bacterial load upon skanda overexpression to confirm a putative role in resistance.

      This is an interesting suggestion but we did not do it because of the technical challenge that monitoring S. aureus burden represents. We have preferred to focus our attention on monitoring S. aureus in Skanda loss-of-function mutants.

      UAS-skanda: besides Fig. 6B, the authors should also refer the reader to Fig. S4A.

      The link to Fig S4A has been added.

      Genetic dissection of the skanda-psh-hayan gene cluster: the last sentence of the paragraph does not reflect what Fig. S7B is showing: one of the double mutants and the triple mutant displayed a significant intermediate susceptibility to S. aureus.

      This is in fact Ecc15 that we discussed. The reviewer is correct as the triple mutants and hayan,psh double have increased susceptibility to Ecc15.

      Paragraphs Compound mutants are EXTREMELY susceptible to S. aureus. The wording is likely too ...extreme: they do not seem to die much faster than skanda simple mutants, which were HIGHLY susceptible to S. aureus, like PPO1-PPO2 double mutants.

      The reviewer is correct and we have avoided to use the term ‘extremely’ in the revised version (replaced by ‘highly’ or removed).

      Last paragraph: psh mutants should be compared side-by-side with psh-skanda double mutants in the same RTqPCR experiment: it is difficult to judge whether the statement of equivalent Drosomycin expression after S. aureus challenge is true given the low resolution of the figures (Fig. 6C vs. Fig. 7B). Last sentence: it would be more appropriate to mention "host defense" rather than "resistance" since the authors did not check the bacterial burdens of the compound mutants.

      Experiments were done simultaneously on single and double/triple mutant but this represents kinetic with 4 times in 10 different backgrounds! We have preferred to separate the data to simplify the reading. We believe that the reader can compare the data despite display in two different panels. We have changed in all the manuscript host defense instead of resistance as following bacterial counting, we suspect that Skanda may play both in resistance and disease tolerance.

      Fig. 1: the scheme is not up to date and oversimplified. It should take into account the complexity revealed in the Shan et al. Science Advances article.

      We disagree on this point. This schema reflect inference done by genetics. An up-to-date figure is shown in Westlake, Hanson Lemaitre Handbook but would require a broad introduction. In the revised version, we have highlighted that this is simplified model based on genetics.

      Fig. S1: numbering the amino-acids in the sequence would help follow the text from Document S1. What are the residues written in light blue? It may be worth highlighting residue E194. Of note, there is a difference between the sequence for peptide 4 as found in the sequence displayed on Fig. S1: KTDRD YV and the sequence of peptide 4 in Table S1: KTDRE YV; the presence of a potential SNP should be indicated, even though it is not making a major change in terms of charge of the peptide.

      We included an asterisk at every tenth position and a numerical indicator near the end of each line to facilitate counting. Residues highlighted in cyan may represent cleavage sites of cSP48, Grass, or a trypsin-like protease released by Sf9 cells. The peptide (E194R212) appears to undergo cleavage to generate P204LNLPLQP__R212__, which is detected in the secondary MS. The reviewer is correct on peptide 4 that we attribute to a potential SNP. This is now indicated in the legend of Figure S1.

      Document S1: trypsin digestion (just before second call to Fig. S1); should it not be purified proteases instead? The text should be somewhat reworded as it is currently slightly misleading.

      "In lane 8, peptide-1 through -19 were nearly undetectable". Table S1 shows that even though peptides 1, 2, 6, , 7 , and 11 are not expressed to strong enough a level to be displayed Fig. S1 lane 8 given the chosen scale, peptides 1, 2, 6, and 7 are expressed in the same range for slices 8B and 8C, whereas peptide 1 is found with just a two-fold difference in slices 8A and 8C.

      Points taken. To better illustrate the differences in band intensities in the top right panel of Fig. S1, we kept the same scale for bands A and B in line 8 (as well as for bands A-C in the top left and middle panels) and used the second y-axis for band C.

      Fig. S2: the effect of skanda on SP7 cleavage is not detectable when Hayan isoforms are co-incubated. The main text should be modified to take this into account. How do the authors explain that pro-MP1 levels are not different upon co-incubation with Psh or Hayan-PB with or without adding Skanda, even though the active MP1 form is detected only in the absence of Skanda? In contrast, the pro-MP1 band can be detected upon co-incubation with Skanda and Hayan-PA.

      Thanks for the comments. We repeated the experiments and obtained four independent blots for each. After scanning, integrated band densities for all paired bands (i.e., with and with Skanda) were quantified using ImageJ (Fig. S2 and data not shown). In the representative blots, Skanda had little effect on SP7 activation by Hayan-PA (507/527; 96%) or Hayan-PB (15,763/15,828; ~100%), in contrast to Psh (937/7,917; 12%). However, when ratios from all blots were considered, the mean reductions were 56 ± 14% for Psh, 49 ± 19% for Hayan-PA, and 65 ± 18% for Hayan-PB. For MP1, comparison of precursor bands is less reliable because small decreases in precursor intensity are difficult to quantify; therefore, we focused on the MP1 product. MP1 levels were reduced to 58 ± 8% (Psh), 44 ± 3% (Hayan-PA), and 90 ± 30% (Hayan-PB). SPE intensity was reduced to 38 ± 12% (Psh), 43 ± 5% (Hayan-PA), and 23 ± 4% (Hayan-PB). Ser7 intensity was reduced to 9 ± 4% (Psh), 35 ± 1% (Hayan-PA), and 27 ± 13% (Hayan-PB). In general, Skanda suppressed the activation of SP7, SPE, MP1, and Ser7 by Psh, Hayan-PA, or Hayan-PB. We included the information in Fig. S2 legend.

      Fig. S3B, S7A: the three genes of the locus are inducible upon immune challenge. Have any NF-kappaB binding sites been detected at the locus. It might be relevant to repeat the experiment shown in S3B and especially S7A after a challenge with M. luteus. These experiments are definitely not essential.

      We did not look to the presence of NF-kB sites in their promoters but they have been shown to be induced and regulated by the Toll pathway (De Gregorio 2002). We did not extend our manuscript in this direction.

      The mention 'Data not shown" is used twice. Not allReview Commons-affiliated journals accept it.

      These mentions have been removed.

      Reviewer #4 (Significance (Required)): A strength of this work is the dual biochemical and genetic characterization of a SPH, an endeavor that is important to understand further the function of this class of protease-like family of secreted proteins that have been so far imperfectly studied from both perspectives (Kambris et al., CB, 2006, but see Westlake Reproducibility study on BioRxiv, Jin et al. Frontiers Immunol. 2023). Unfortunately, the two approaches fail to provide an integrated view of Skanda's function(s). A weakness is that this study does not unambiguously reveal at this stage what are the functions of Skanda in the host defense against S. aureus, let alone against other pathogens controlled to some extent by the Toll pathway or melanization. The authors have not considered a possible role in disease tolerance to S. aureus. These limitations decrease the conceptual advance of this article.

      In the revised version, we have considered a role of Skanda in resilience. This article will be of interest to investigators working on the innate immunity of insects. This reviewer is an expert in the Drosophila innate immunity field.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary

      In this study, the authors investigate the function of Skanda, a serine protease homolog (SPH) in Drosophila innate immunity using both biochemical and genetical approaches. The reason to focus on this SPH is that it lies at the same locus as two key proteases of Drosophila immune defenses, Hayan and Persephone, all of which are induced by an immune challenge. After having modeled this SPH and shown that the three amino-acid of the serine protease catalytic triad are either mutated or poorly oriented, they report that Skanda may limit the cleavage of proteases downstream of Grass, a key event for their biochemical activation. The study of an isogenized, putatively null, mutant line failed to reveal any impact of skanda on Toll pathway activation nor on melanization, albeit a strong but not moderate overexpression somewhat inhibits the formation of a melanization scab only after "clean" but not septic injury. These results are not in keeping with the biochemical analysis: the mutant would have been expected to display an enhanced immune response. Unexpectedly, skanda mutants are as highly susceptible to a low amount of Staphylococcus aureus injection as flies deleted for the adult-expressed phenoloxidases PPO1 and PPO2, melanization playing a key role in host defense in this infection paradigm. No strong impact on the bacterial load was detected at the sole investigated time point, 24h. Because the analysis of the single skanda mutant did not unambiguously reveal its role in host defense, the authors then studied double or triple mutants of the three protease genes and found a redundant role for Skanda with Persephone for Toll pathway activation after a challenge with a nonpathogenic Gram-positive bacterium or a bacterial protease. In the case of S. aureus infection, a strong induction of the Drosomycin gene, is observed at 48h of infection in the compound mutants, which was not observed with the nonpathogenic challenges. Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Major comments

      The authors state that "These results are consistent with a role of Skanda in resistance to S. aureus". This conclusion rests on a very fragile experiment that measured the bacterial burden 24h after challenge with a low dose of S. aureus: whereas wild-type control flies exhibit a dual low and high distribution of bacterial loads, skanda flies exhibit only the higher values. However, the bacterial load in skanda appears to be as high in persephone mutant flies that are much less sensitive to S. aureus than skanda flies. This makes it highly unlikely that the high susceptibility of skanda to S. aureus is due solely to resistance. The problem is compounded by the poor description of the experiment: it is not stated anywhere how many times the experiment has been performed, whether pooled data are shown, what each data point represents, pooled or single flies. A fine-grained time course with more biological samples would definitely be needed to convince the reader of a (limited) role in resistance. The authors do not consider the alternative, but not exclusive, possibility that skanda plays also a role in disease tolerance. The determination of the bacterial load upon death of single flies may provide some clues about this alternative function (Duneau et al., eLife, 2017). Another approach might be to determine whether the bacterial supernatant is toxic and whether skanda might protect from this toxicity. As Bomanins play a role in the host defense against S. aureus (this study, but see also Hanson et al., eLife 2019 in which the 55C deficiency susceptibility phenotype was stronger) and given the role of Bomanins in host defense against Gram-positive bacteria or fungal infections both in resistance and disease tolerance (e.g., Clemmons et al. PLoS Pathogens 2015, Lindsay et al., J. Innate Immun, 2018, Xu et al., EMBO Reports 2023, Lou et al., BioRxiv, 2025) and that BomS1 has an optimal Dorsal-related Immune Factor Binding site (Busse et al. EMBO J. , 2007), it may be useful to monitor the expression of several Bom genes in complement to that of the expression of Drosomycin, especially after S. aureus challenge. Furthermore, BomT1 is the only peptide that appears to play a role in resistance against Gram-positive bacteria, namely against E. faecalis. This series of qPCR experiments is rapid to make, provided the authors have kept the cDNAs of their samples. In the Discussion, the authors speculate "that Skanda acts at the level of Persephone-Hayan to allow Hayan to activate the Toll pathway. Skanda would skew the activity of the Persephone-Hayan platform to induce Toll signaling and resistance to S. aureus rather than cuticular melanization". This model does not fit with the fact that SPE is only moderately susceptible to S. aureus (Dudzic et al., 2019) and that spätzle mutant flies are either not sensitive at all (Dudzic et al., 2019) or moderately sensitive to it (Hanson et al., eLife, 2019) (see also below). Whether it may apply to host defense against other pathogens remains to be determined. To better understand the function of skanda, considering only S. aureus may be limiting as this bacterium is fundamentally not susceptible to the canonical Toll intracellular signaling cascade (e.g., Bischoff et al, Nat Immunol, 2004, Dudzic et al, Cell Reports, 2019) and to the final part of the Toll-activation proteolytic cascade as discussed above with SPE and Spätzle. The authors appear to have chosen not to display the results they have gained with Enterococcus faecalis (but forgot to remove their mention at two places in the Material and Methods): it would definitely be interesting to know what the outcome of these experiments was and also to investigate the susceptibility and microbial burden of skanda mutants to representative yeast and filamentous fungal pathogens, Aspergillus fumigatus being of special interest since its proliferation is limited through melanization whereas the Toll pathway protects against secreted virulence factors (Xu et al., EMBO Reports, 2023). This series of experiments would likely take some three months and might give additional insights into Skanda function(s). In general, figure legends are not highly informative and fail to provide key information such as the number of independent experiments, whether the data are representative or pooled, which statistical test was used, e.g., qPCR experiments (the descriptions are available for the analysis of survival and melanization experiments at the end of the Mat. and Meth section). As noted above, critical information is lacking to understand microbial load graphs. It is also difficult to check statements such as: ", while psh[sk1] flies showed a reduced Toll pathway reponse". Indeed, no statistical analysis has been performed to analyze any RTqPCR data. Given the low number of experimental data points, each data point ought to be displayed and not bar graphs, for which in addition the error bars are not defined. The Material and Methods section is incomplete. It does not include a description of all the in vitro synthesized proteins used in this study nor indicate the different tags. The primary and secondary antibodies used for Western blot analysis are not reported, e.g., those that detect cleaved spätzle. This would need to be included in the Table at the beginning of this section.

      Minor points

      Introduction:

      1. The authors may want to cite Stein, Cho&Stevens, FLY, 2013 when referring to the proteolytic cascade regulating the establishment of dorso-ventral patterning.
      2. The statement "The Toll-PO SP cascade can be DIRECTLY activated at the level of Psh-Hayan, through direct cleavage of the Psh protease bait region by microbial proteases" may be slightly misleading as only subtilisin is able to do this, the other tested proteases producing an inactive cleaved Psh that needed to be secondarily activated by a couple of specific cathepsins (Issa et al., Molecular Cell, 2018). Results
      3. The reasoning of the second paragraph is difficult to follow as the reader does not understand how the cleavage sites can be computed. It would be important to state that the recombinant proteins are tagged. It would actually be very helpful to provide a scheme of the various recombinant proteins used in the study as had been done in the Shan et al., Science Advances article.
      4. With respect to Western blots, many of the bands are faint, e.g., SPE after the addition of Skanda cannot be detected on a printed version of the figure. It is also difficult to determine whether the reduction in band amount is reproducible as no indications are given in this respect. It is important that the images be quantified in several independent blots so that the observed reduction can be statistically assessed. With respect to PPO1 cleavage, it would be important to also check its cleavage in vivo, which would yield higher confidence on the relevance of in vitro study to the in vivo situation.
      5. First sentence of the paragraph "skanda mutants are highly susceptible": the authors might also want to cite Hanson et al, eLife 2019.
      6. In Dudzic et al., Cell Reports, 2019, the authors did not observe any susceptibility to S. aureus with Hayan[sk3] whereas here they find an intermediate sensitivity phenotype with Hayan[sk6]. Was the former not a null allele of Hayan? With respect to the 55C Bomanin deficiency, Hanson et al., 2019 had reported a stronger phenotype than that shown in Fig. 8A, with some 75% of flies dead within three days. Which study should we trust or does this reflect variations between experiments (hence the question about the representation of survival data: are these pooled data from thre independent experiments; how much variation was there between independent experiments?).
      7. It would be interesting to measure the S. aureus bacterial load upon skanda overexpression to confirm a putative role in resistance.
      8. UAS-skanda: besides Fig. 6B, the authors should also refer the reader to Fig. S4A.
      9. Genetic dissection of the skanda-psh-hayan gene cluster: the last sentence of the paragraph does not reflect what Fig. S7B is showing: one of the double mutants and the triple mutant displayed a significant intermediate susceptibility to S. aureus.
      10. Paragraphs Compound mutants are EXTREMELY susceptible to S. aureus. The wording is likely too ...extreme: they do not seem to die much faster than skanda simple mutants, which were HIGHLY susceptible to S. aureus, like PPO1-PPO2 double mutants.
      11. Last paragraph: psh mutants should be compared side-by-side with psh-skanda double mutants in the same RTqPCR experiment: it is difficult to judge whether the statement of equivalent Drosomycin expression after S. aureus challenge is true given the low resolution of the figures (Fig. 6C vs. Fig. 7B). Last sentence: it would be more appropriate to mention "host defense" rather than "resistance" since the authors did not check the bacterial burdens of the compound mutants.
      12. Fig. 1: the scheme is not up to date and oversimplified. It should take into account the complexity revealed in the Shan et al. Science Advances article.
      13. Fig. S1: numbering the amino-acids in the sequence would help follow the text from Document S1. What are the residues written in light blue? It may be worth highlighting residue E 194. Of note, there is a difference between the sequence for peptide 4 as found in the sequence displayed on Fig. S1: KTDRD YV and the sequence of peptide 4 in Table S1: KTDRE YV; the presence of a potential SNP should be indicated, even though it is not making a major change in terms of charge of the peptide.
      14. Document S1: trypsin digestion (just before second call to Fig. S1); should it not be purified proteases instead? The text should be somewhat reworded as it is currently slightly misleading " In lane 8, peptide-1 through -19 were nearly undetectable". Table S1 shows that even though peptides 1, 2, 6, , 7 , and 11 are not expressed to strong enough a level to be displayed Fig. S1 lane 8 given the chosen scale, peptides 1, 2, 6, and 7 are expressed in the same range for slices 8B and 8C, whereas peptide 1 is found with just a two-fold difference in slices 8A and 8C.
      15. Fig. S2: the effect of skanda on SP7 cleavage is not detectable when Hayan isoforms are co-incubated. The main text should be modified to take this into account. How do the authors explain that pro-MP1 levels are not different upon co-incubation with Psh or Hayan-PB with or without adding Skanda, even though the active MP1 form is detected only in the absence of Skanda? In contrast, the pro-MP1 band can be detected upon co-incubation with Skanda and Hayan-PA.
      16. Fig. S3B, S7A: the three genes of the locus are inducible upon immune challenge. Have any NF-kappaB binding sites been detected at the locus. It might be relevant to repeat the experiment shown in S3B and especially S7A after a challenge with M. luteus. These experiments are definitely not essential.
      17. The mention 'Data not shown" is used twice. Not all Review Commons-affiliated journals accept it.

      Significance

      A strength of this work is the dual biochemical and genetic characterization of a SPH, an endeavor that is important to understand further the function of this class of protease-like family of secreted proteins that have been so far imperfectly studied from both perspectives (Kambris et al., CB, 2006, but see Westlake Reproducibility study on BioRxiv, Jin et al. Frontiers Immunol. 2023). Unfortunately, the two approaches fail to provide an integrated view of Skanda's function(s). A weakness is that this study does not unambiguously reveal at this stage what are the functions of Skanda in the host defense against S. aureus, let alone against other pathogens controlled to some extent by the Toll pathway or melanization. The authors have not considered a possible role in disease tolerance to S. aureus. These limitations decrease the conceptual advance of this article.

      This article will be of interest to investigators working on the innate immunity of insects. This reviewer is an expert in the Drosophila innate immunity field.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary:

      Serine protease cascades are central for activation of immune responses in insects. In Drosophila melanogaster, Toll signaling pathway has been quite extensively studied, and several serine proteases, serpins and serine protease homologs (SPH) with functions in Toll activation have been identified. In this work, the authors characterize a new component of this system, a SPH which they name Skanda. Skanda seems to have multiple roles/points of action, on one hand participating in the regulation of Toll together with the established serine protease in the Toll activation, Psh, and on the other hand controlling the response to a systemic S. aureus infection, via not yet fully specified mechanism.

      Major comments:

      Key conclusions made in this work are convincing, and backed up by the data presented. The data and methods are presented in a way that allows reproduction of the experiment. The number of individuals used especially in the infection experiment (20 male flies per a replicate) is on the lower side, but the experiments are adequately replicated and the effects seen are clear.

      While this work contributes to our understanding of the regulatory mechanisms governing Toll signaling, at times the authors' reasoning is difficult to follow. I recognize that this is a complex topic, with multiple upstream branches activating Toll signaling, and the authors do consider various mechanisms that could explain their findings. However, the manuscript would benefit from additional clarification, perhaps through a schematic model illustrating the proposed effects of Skanda, to help readers position Skanda within the broader context of Toll signaling.

      Statistical analyses for the Drs expression experiments are lacking.

      Minor comments:

      The authors could explain what type of cells the sf9 cells are and why they decided to use them.

      Band intensities could be measured and plotted for the immunoblots. The immunoblot methods should be fully described in the Materials and methods section.

      Protein levels of Skanda in the Skanda mutant could be shown as the mRNA levels remain relatively high (Sup. Fig 3B). If this is not possible, could the authors comment on the remaining expression of Skanda in the Skanda mutants?

      Under the heading "Loss of skanda does not further enhance the cuticular melanization defects caused by the loss of Hayan or psh" the text should refer to figure 5D not 5B.

      Figure 6C shows that Drs expression is higher in the Skanda mutant than in controls at 32 h post S. aureus infection (although this has not been statistically tested). The authors don't mention this result in the manuscript, but to me it fits with the idea of Skanda acting as a negative regulator (the effect of which is accumulating and seen only late after infection). Could the authors comment on this?

      Under the heading "Psh and skanda redundantly regulate Toll signaling", the comparison should likely be between Figures 7A-7B and 5B-C (rather than 5A). When examining the effects of single versus double mutants on Drs expression, the Psh-Skanda double mutant clearly reduces Drs more than the Psh single mutant. However, in the context of microbial proteases, the pattern appears different: there is virtually no difference at 6 hours, while at 48 hours there may be a slight decrease in Drs expression in the double mutant compared to the Psh single mutant, although this difference would likely not reach statistical significance if tested. I don't know what this could mean, but I'd like to hear the authors' take on this.

      Referee cross-commenting

      I also agree with the comments and points raised by the other reviewers.

      Significance

      Research on the Drosophila immune response has significantly advanced our understanding of (innate) immune responses, both generally and in an evolutionary context. Despite over three decades of study, this work demonstrates that there are aspects of Toll signaling that remain unresolved. The authors identify a novel regulator of the Toll pathway and begin to elucidate its functions. Equally important, their findings underscore the complexity and context-dependency of the regulatory events that shape immune responses.

      My fields of expertise are Drosophila melanogaster, innate immunity, cell-mediated immunity.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      Summary

      In this work the authors identify the SPH skanda as an important player in Drosophila resistance to S. aureus infections independent of Toll and classical melanization. The authors conducted rigorous in vitro assays using recombinant proteins of various SPs in the Drosophila Toll-PO cascade to show that skanda negatively regulates activation cleavage of SPs at the level of and downstream of Psh and hayan, two key SPs that converge on Toll pathway activation with the latter playing a central role in cuticular melanization. In parallel, genetic analysis using mutant flies showed that skanda does not negatively regulate Toll pathway nor melanization. Only skanda over expression in vivo led to a reduction in S. aureus melanization which, in my opinion, is most likely due to the artificial increase in the in vivo concentration of the protein rather than an indication of a potential true function. Altogether this an interesting work as it shows the discrepancies between the biochemical and genetic approaches when it comes to dissecting the insect SP cascades regulating melanization and Toll as highlighted by the authors themselves in the discussion section. All experimental work is well controlled, methodology is robust and results are adequately discussed. I have some comments concerning few experiments and interpretations that in my opinion warrant further discussion.

      Major comments:

      1. It seems that SP48 and Grass can redundantly cleave Skanda although the later cleaves more strongly. (Fig 3B) Can other downstream SPs cleave skanda? Can ModSp alone cleave skanda? (ModSP + skanda lane was absent for Fig 3B). It is important to test these possibilities as the in vitro system may be quite relaxed as to the specificity of these cleavage events and may not reflect what happens in vivo. In fact it has been shown in Anopheles gambiae that SPH can be redundantly cleaved by multiple SP in the protease cascade. Although these are cascades with certain hierarchy, information can still flow in more than one direction along the different branches of these cascades.
      2. In Fig 4B and 4C the bands of active forms should be quantified from at least 3 immunoblots for robust results especially in Fig 4C where the differences are minimal.
      3. It is not clear to me why skanda should have a specific role in resisting S. aureus infections despite that S. aureus is not a natural pathogen of Drosophila? Has other Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria been tested?
      4. In Fig 6E more points should be collected for statistical power. It is also better to show these data that are not normally distributed in violin charts or boxes and whiskers which give a better indication as to which quartile the bulk of the data belongs.

      Minor comments:

      1. In Figures 3 and 4, It would be easier to follow the cleavage events if a schematic drawing is provided showing the sequence of activation cleavage events of the tested SPs
      2. The fact that PPO1/PPO2 depleted flies exhibit increased Drs expression could be due to increased bacterial proliferation in this mutant background that trigger increased Toll stimulation, rather than a negative feedback mechanism. This increased proliferation is shown in Fig 6E.
      3. In Fig 6E more points should be collected for statistical power. It is also better to show these data that are not normally distributed in violin charts or boxes and whiskers which give a better indication as to which quartile the bulk of the data belongs.
      4. A phenotype for skanda in melanization was observed only in over-expression assays which may artificially alter molecular interactions in the cascade.
      5. Page 10 last paragraph "peak expression at 32 hrs or 48 hrs as shown on the figure?"
      6. The differences in Drs expression levels in Hayan-pshDef and psh-skandaDef double mutant flies infected with M. luteus and S. aureus is surprising. I wonder whether the observed differences are due to biochemical differences in the microbial surfaces to which these cascades are recruited.
      7. There are several typos in the manuscript

      Significance

      The main strength of this work is that it combines biochemistry and genetics in a strong genetic model to characterize the biochemical interactions between SPH and Sp in clip cascades and relate the relevant interactions observed in vitro with potential in vivo functions. This is the first time that such a rigorous combined approach was adopted to the study of these cascades. The results obtained also show the advantages and limitations of each approach. As such i believe this study will be of interest to a broad audience in the field of insect immunity.

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      Evidence, reproducibility and clarity

      In the manuscript entitled "The serine protease homolog Skanda modulates Toll-phenoloxidase-mediated immunity in Drosophila," Vasanth et al characterize in detail a previously unstudied component of the insect immune response using first biochemical and then in vivo methods. Using proteins overexpressed and purified from insect cells, the authors provide evidence that Skanda could be a negative regulator of the SP cascade, impacting cleavage of proHayan and proPsh, and consequently Toll pathway and PPO1 activation. This work reaches further by transposing these findings into the D. melanogaster in vivo model. Here, however, the picture becomes more confusing as Skanda at native levels does not appear to regulate either the Toll pathway or the melanization cascade. Only one strong phenotype was identified in that decreased expression of Skanda increased susceptibility to S. aureus infection while increased expression decreased susceptibility. The mechanism for this remains unclear. To their credit, the authors carry out an in-depth analysis to rule out all the obvious possibilities. In the discussion, the authors explore the basis of discrepancies between their biochemical and genetic findings. We would suggest that an additional one to consider is differing roles or behaviors of Skanda in the microenvironments of the local site of injury (where S. aureus may be contained when it is tolerated) and the hemolymph. In summary, this is a valuable analysis of the innate immune component Skanda whose role has become somewhat clearer through these studies, but still remains obscure.

      Major Comments

      • To assess bimodal distribution of bacterial loads within single flies in Fig 6E, authors should either: increase the sample size to allow for proper statistical assessment of different distributions among genotypes, specifically between w1118 and skanda_d107; or, provide a modelling framework for statistical testing. Otherwise, the present results seem insufficient to conclude that Skanda is playing a role in resistance to S. aureus.
      • Another way to assess a role for tolerance in the Skanda mutant would be to measure BLUDs (https://doi.org/10.7554/eLife.28298 ) and/or transcription of CrebA (https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.ppat.1006847).
      • The error bars on qRT-PCR datasets are large, the data points are not shown so we do not know how many replicates were included in the graphs (Fig 5 B and C, Fig 6C, Fig 7 A and B, and Fig 8B). Bar plots are not the most faithful reproduction of biological datasets, as they can hinder significant information regarding datapoints distribution and variation (Beyond Bar and Line Graphs: Time for a New Data Presentation Paradigm | PLOS Biology). We advise that, particularly in the case of datasets such as qRT-PCR, the final values of fold change are represented with individual dots, with the mean value clearly represented, whether with or without the additional bar graph. Furthermore, no statistical tests were applied to determine significance. Data points should be shown and appropriate statistical tests should be applied. The number of biological replicates should be included in the analysis and the statistical test applied should be noted in the figure legends.
      • Although there are claims of Skanda conferring resistance to S. aureus infection, only Drs levels are tested. These conclusions could be strengthened by assessing expression levels of additional AMPs.

      Minor Comments

      • Parag. 1: (data not shown) should be removed and if possible AlphaFold prediction of skanda conformation added. Alternatively, remove sentence.
      • Parg. 3: 1000 mL? why not 1L?
      • Parag. 5: , in last sentence that should be .
      • Parag. 6: "a role at the same position..." does not convey the correct message< replace with equivalent?
      • Figure axes (5D, 5E, 6D, etc...) of melanization assays are wrongly named "% melanisation", with "s"
      • Parag. 21: compound mutants (if correctly interpreted as dataset presented in Fig. 8B) were tested at 6h, 24h and 48h, and not 32h, as written in the text
      • Results section "skanda is not mandatory for the activation of the Toll pathway" adopts a literal translation which would probably be better phrased as "is not essential"
      • Discussion parag. 2: "Skanda exhibits..."
      • Discussion last parag: "..., but also underlies..."
      • It has been evidenced that

      Additional comments:

      • The sentence on page 2 beginning with "Upon binding, these PRRs..." is very long and difficult to follow. This should be rewritten.
      • In many places in the manuscript bacterial "dose" is used in place of bacterial burden. The dose is the amount of a substance or bacterium given to the animal.
      • Page 11: Skanda is described as a placeholder when I think a (competitive) inhibitor would be more appropriate.

      Referee cross-commenting

      I agree with the comments of the other reviewers.

      Significance

      Strengths: The authors take a multi-disciplinary biochemical and in vivo approach to understand the molecular interactions among SPs and SPHs and thereby uncover the role of the protein Skanda that might otherwise not have been appreciated. They have made extensive use of novel transgenic fly lines, generated in the context of this study, and have thoroughly tested their specificity and cis-acting potential. These will provide a resource to the field. In addition to the new description of Skanda, these findings strengthen previous knowledge regarding systemic infections with different bacteria (M. luteus, S. aureus) and reproduce the known redundancies of Psh and Hayan modes of action. Moreover, this research is relevant for the expansion of basic knowledge on innate immunity, particularly in the field of insect-pathogen interactions, making use of S. frugiperda cell lines and D. melanogaster adults and larvae. Although not at the focus of this work, the evolutionary conserved nature of these aspects of innate immunity across these two distant species enhance the importance of these findings.

      Weaknesses: Some assays do not include enough biological replicates and others do not have enough information on how many biological replicates were performed. Therefore, the conclusions drawn are difficult to assess. Lack of statistical analysis on the qPCR experiments complicates the interpretation of results.

    1. La santé dans toutes les politiques locales : Enjeux, enseignements et leviers d'action

      Synthèse opérationnelle

      Ce document de breffage synthétise les interventions du webinaire organisé par Promotion Santé Île-de-France et l'ARS Île-de-France.

      Il explore le concept de « la santé dans toutes les politiques » (SdTP), une approche intersectorielle qui place la santé au cœur des décisions publiques locales.

      Points clés à retenir :

      • Changement de paradigme : L'état de santé d'une population est le résultat collectif de l'ensemble des politiques publiques (urbanisme, logement, transport, alimentation) et non du seul système de soins.

      • Rôle des collectivités : Bien que dépourvues de compétences santé explicites, les collectivités territoriales détiennent les principaux leviers agissant sur les déterminants de la santé.

      • Co-bénéfices : La réussite de cette approche repose sur l'identification de situations « gagnant-gagnant », où les actions de santé servent également les objectifs économiques, environnementaux ou sociaux d'autres secteurs.

      • Modèle de gouvernance : Le projet expérimental « Acte 77 » démontre l'efficacité d'un pilotage en trinôme (élu, direction générale, opérationnel) pour briser les silos administratifs.

      • Défis persistants : La focalisation des élus et des citoyens sur l'offre de soins (déserts médicaux) occulte souvent les enjeux cruciaux de prévention et de promotion de la santé.


      I. Le concept de « la santé dans toutes les politiques » (SdTP)

      1. Au-delà du système de soins

      Le concept de SdTP repose sur le constat que le système de soins n'est qu'une composante mineure de l'état de santé global.

      Les principaux facteurs influents, appelés déterminants de la santé, incluent :

      • Facteurs socio-économiques : Accès à l'emploi, éducation, revenus décents.

      • Environnement : Exposition aux nuisances, qualité des milieux de vie.

      • Habitudes de vie : Alimentation, mobilité, réseaux sociaux et communautaires.

      2. Définition et évolution

      L'Organisation Mondiale de la Santé (OMS) définit la SdTP comme une approche intersectorielle qui tient systématiquement compte des conséquences sanitaires des décisions publiques.

      • Objectif : Améliorer la santé de la population et l'équité en luttant contre les inégalités sociales et territoriales.

      • Vers la « Qualité de vie » : Pour éviter une vision jugée « hégémonique » du secteur de la santé, les experts privilégient désormais la notion de qualité de vie ou de bien-être, plus fédératrice pour les autres secteurs publics.


      II. Les collectivités locales : Acteurs incontournables de la santé

      Les collectivités territoriales disposent d'atouts majeurs pour incarner cette ambition :

      • Connaissance du terrain : Proximité avec les populations et capacité à mobiliser le tissu associatif local.

      • Leviers d'action directs : Compétences en urbanisme, logement, action sociale, activités physiques et sécurité.

      • Dispositifs de coordination : Existence d'outils structurants comme les Contrats Locaux de Santé (CLS), les Conseils Locaux de Santé Mentale (CLSM) et les Ateliers Santé Ville (ASV).

      | Atouts des collectivités | Limites et freins | | --- | --- | | Maîtrise des déterminants (urbanisme, transport) | Manque de compétences santé propres (cadre juridique) | | Capacité de dialogue avec les habitants | Ressources financières et humaines limitées | | Réseaux de partenaires locaux | Sentiment d'illégitimité ou manque d'expertise | | Expérience de la gestion de crise (Covid-19) | Priorité absolue donnée à l'offre de soins (médecins) |


      III. Enseignements du projet expérimental Acte 77

      Le projet Acte 77, mené en Seine-et-Marne, a accompagné six collectivités pour tester la mise en œuvre réelle de la SdTP.

      L'évaluation souligne cinq piliers fondamentaux pour la réussite d'un tel projet :

      1. Le portage politique fort

      L'engagement du maire ou du président d'intercommunalité est indispensable.

      Ce soutien doit être continu pour légitimer l'élu en charge de la santé face aux autres délégations et assurer l'accès aux instances de décision (conseils municipaux).

      2. Le décloisonnement (Intersectorialité)

      Pour dépasser les « effets de silo », la collectivité doit s'appuyer sur des référents multipositionnés.

      Le projet Acte 77 a validé l'efficacité d'un trinôme stratégique :

      • Référent politique : Porte la vision auprès des autres élus.

      • Référent stratégique (DGS/DGA) : Assure le lien entre le politique et l'administration.

      • Référent opérationnel (Coordinateur CLS/Santé) : Développe les actions concrètes.

      3. La mobilisation des partenaires

      La réussite dépend de l'insertion dans un écosystème complexe incluant l'ARS, la CPAM, l'Éducation nationale et les structures de soins (CPTS).

      La capacité à nouer des relations pérennes avec ces acteurs renforce la crédibilité de l'action communale.

      4. La recherche de co-bénéfices

      Pour mobiliser des secteurs non sanitaires, il faut démontrer que la santé sert leurs propres objectifs.

      • Exemple : Un projet de végétalisation urbaine lutte contre les îlots de chaleur (santé), mais favorise aussi la biodiversité, le lien social et l'attractivité touristique.

      5. L'inscription dans la durée

      La SdTP ne se décrète pas ; elle se construit.

      Il est crucial de :

      • Partir de l'existant (projets déjà en cours).

      • Miser sur la qualité des actions plutôt que sur la quantité.

      • Stabiliser les équipes pour éviter la perte de réseau liée au turn-over des coordinateurs.


      IV. Perspectives des élus : Entre urgence médicale et santé environnementale

      La pression de l'accès aux soins

      La préoccupation majeure des administrés demeure la lutte contre les « déserts médicaux » (ou zones de sous-densité).

      Ce sujet « embolise » souvent l'attention des élus, rendant difficile la promotion d'une approche préventive de long terme.

      L'émergence de la santé environnementale

      Malgré cette pression, la sensibilité aux enjeux environnementaux progresse.

      Les élus perçoivent de plus en plus la santé à travers :

      • L'aménagement : Cours d'écoles « oasis », désimperméabilisation des sols, mobilités actives.

      • L'approche « Une seule santé » (One Health) : Prise en compte de l'interdépendance entre santé humaine, animale et environnementale.

      • Le cadre de vie : Réduction du bruit, amélioration de la qualité de l'air.


      V. Outils pour la montée en compétences : Le i-parcours

      Pour soutenir ce mouvement, des outils d'autoformation comme le i-parcours en santé sont mis à disposition des acteurs locaux.

      • Publics : Élus, agents territoriaux (hors champ santé), acteurs associatifs.

      • Contenu : Trois modules traitant des fondamentaux de la promotion de la santé, des méthodes d'action sur les déterminants et, spécifiquement (Module 3), de la SdTP.

      • Méthodologie : Approche concrète basée sur des études de cas (urbanisme, alimentation, logement) et des outils de plaidoyer pour convaincre les décideurs internes et externes.

    1. The one clear case of substantive rejection is the court-structure reform (NOU 2020:11), reversed by a later government in an openly partisan dispute over centralisation—and even there most of the reform survived.

      The one that I FIND! It might be that the rejections are there, but i cant find them.Also where did we find the evidence for this claim?

    2. A reading of the parliamentary and legislative record of these reports suggests their low adoption reflects institutional friction rather than the government rejecting expert advice on its merits. In ministers' own answers to Stortinget questions, the stated reasons concern priority, timing, and consensus, not substance: asked why the revision of the Foundations Act (NOU 2016:21) had not advanced eight years after delivery, the responsible minister replied that she “must at all times prioritise which laws to revise” and that “the present Act functions well,” while calling the commission's proposals “good”; the long effort to consolidate work-injury compensation (NOU 2004:3) stalled, in successive ministers' words, because “the social partners have not managed to agree,” not because the reform was judged unsound.21 The clear exception is the court-structure reform (NOU 2020:11), enacted under one government and partly reversed by its successor in an openly partisan dispute over centralisation—a genuine political reversal, though even there most of the reform survived.

      These are all anecdotes for which we have found the reasons for the "shelving". I think we should be briefer and less exlicit about the exact NOU, if anything, we should lists these reasons we have found, and then we can reference the specific NOU and the source document in a footnote. I want this to read as "we have checked why some of them are shelved, for some we did find these reasons, for other we found no reason, but 5.2. and Appendix A.3. showcase its hard for us to find any systematic reason. Should we add more analysis to show that these systematic reasons are negligble?

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    1. Le Masculinisme : Un Poison pour la Jeunesse et la Démocratie

      Résumé Exécutif

      Le rapport sénatorial publié le 24 juin met en lumière la montée alarmante des mouvements masculinistes en France, qualifiés de « poison » pour la jeunesse et de menace directe pour les institutions démocratiques.

      Ces mouvements, qui prônent la haine des femmes et la réaffirmation d'une dominance masculine jugée naturelle, s'appuient sur une infrastructure numérique puissante et une monétisation efficace.

      En seulement 26 minutes, un jeune homme peut se voir recommander des contenus masculinistes en ligne.

      Le constat est sans appel : au-delà du sexisme latent, ces idéologies alimentent des processus de radicalisation pouvant mener au terrorisme, avec plusieurs attentats déjà déjoués sur le territoire national.

      La délégation aux droits des femmes du Sénat appelle à une stratégie de lutte interministérielle d'urgence, articulée autour de 24 recommandations majeures.


      1. Analyse de la Menace : Une Nébuleuse Plurielle

      Le masculinisme n'est pas un bloc monolithique mais une multitude de courants aux modes opératoires variés, partageant toutefois un socle commun de misogynie.

      | Courant | Caractéristiques et Objectifs | | --- | --- | | Incels (Célibataires involontaires) | Individus éprouvant une haine envers les femmes qu'ils jugent responsables de leur solitude affective. | | Coachs en séduction | Influenceurs monétisant des conseils basés sur la manipulation et la domination des femmes. | | MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) | Hommes prônant un retrait de la société mixte pour échapper à ce qu'ils perçoivent comme une oppression féminine. | | Mouvements de pères | Groupes centrés sur la remise en question des droits des femmes, notamment autour de la garde des enfants. |

      Le socle idéologique commun : Tous ces mouvements réagissent aux avancées des droits des femmes et des personnes LGBTQIA+ par une rhétorique de "backlash" (retour de bâton). Ils perçoivent l'égalité non pas comme un progrès, mais comme une attaque directe contre l'homme.


      2. Le Rôle des Plateformes et de l'Algorithme

      Le rapport souligne la responsabilité écrasante des réseaux sociaux dans la propagation rapide de ces idées.

      • La rapidité d'exposition : Une étude de l'université de Dublin révèle qu'il suffit de 26 minutes à un jeune homme en ligne pour recevoir des recommandations de contenus masculinistes.

      Pour les garçons de 11 à 12 ans, ce délai est encore plus court.

      • La mécanique algorithmique : Les algorithmes privilégient les contenus outranciers et polarisants car ils génèrent de l'engagement.

      Ce fonctionnement favorise l'enfermement dans des bulles informationnelles où les réponses simplistes au mal-être adolescent prospèrent.

      • Un business lucratif : Le masculinisme est devenu un véritable business.

      Des influenceurs vendent des formations, du coaching et des produits (fitness, compléments alimentaires) en exploitant la vulnérabilité des jeunes.

      • La responsabilité des propriétaires : Le document pointe du doigt l'alignement idéologique ou la passivité de certains patrons de la tech, citant explicitement Elon Musk comme étant ouvertement masculiniste.

      3. Convergence des Radicalités : Masculinisme et Extrême Droite

      Il existe une porosité inquiétante entre la "manosphère" et les sphères de l'extrême droite radicale.

      • Le Mythe de l'Homme Alpha : Des figures comme Julien Rochedy ou Éric Zemmour promeuvent une société dominée par l'homme blanc "martyrisé" par la féminisation de la société et l'immigration.

      • Le Suprématisme Blanc : Le masculinisme sert souvent de porte d'entrée vers le suprématisme blanc, présentant la défense de l'homme blanc chrétien comme un combat contre la "décadence" moderne.

      • Le "Gramschisme Technologique" : Les groupes réactionnaires s'organisent pour occuper l'espace numérique et réduire au silence les voix féministes par des campagnes de cyberharcèlement massives.


      4. Une Menace Sécuritaire Réelle

      Le masculinisme n'est plus seulement un débat d'idées, c'est un enjeu de sécurité nationale.

      • Attentats déjoués : En 2025, trois attentats masculinistes ont été déjoués en France.

      Selon la DGSI, ces tentatives représentent entre 10 % et 20 % des attaques liées à l'ultra-droite.

      • Terrorisme misogyne : Des événements récents, comme l'attaque de Montréal (trois morts), démontrent que la haine des femmes est le moteur principal de certains actes terroristes, souvent accompagnés de manifestes anti-femmes.

      • Féminicides et radicalisation : Le rapport établit un lien entre la radicalisation en ligne dans des sphères masculinistes (comme les groupes de pères militants ou les coachs MGTOW) et le passage à l'acte violent contre des conjointes ou ex-conjointes.


      5. Recommandations et Leviers d'Action

      Pour contrer ce "poison", le Sénat et les experts proposent une réponse multidimensionnelle.

      Éducation et Sensibilisation

      • Renforcement de l'EVARS : L'Éducation à la Vie Affective, Relationnelle et Sexuelle doit être un outil majeur pour créer une culture de l'égalité dès l'école.

      • Esprit critique et médias : Former les jeunes et les enseignants au décryptage des algorithmes et à l'identification des théories de désinformation.

      • Promotion d'autres masculinités : Encourager des modèles d'hommes s'inscrivant dans le soutien à l'égalité, portés par des émetteurs masculins pour être plus audibles.

      Action Publique et Justice

      • Stratégie Interministérielle : Sortir du traitement en "silo" en coordonnant les ministères de l'Intérieur, de la Justice, de l'Éducation et de la Santé.

      • Signalement et Modération : Intégrer les organisations féministes dans les observatoires de la haine en ligne, la misogynie n'étant pas toujours prise en compte.

      • Loi Intégrale : Mettre en place une législation globale sur les violences contre les femmes et les enfants, incluant les cyberviolences.

      Régulation des Plateformes

      • Sanctions financières : Utiliser le DSA (Digital Services Act) pour infliger des amendes allant jusqu'à 6 % du chiffre d'affaires mondial aux plateformes ne luttant pas contre ces risques systémiques.

      • Responsabilité éditoriale : S'appuyer sur la jurisprudence européenne pour considérer les plateformes comme des éditeurs dès lors qu'elles organisent le contenu via des algorithmes.


      Citations Clés

      « C'est un poison qui est quand même dramatiquement grave et qui risque de faire que ces jeunes soient complètement obnubilés. » — Béatrice Gosselin, Sénatrice.

      « Le masculinisme est devenu un vrai business qui permet de gagner de l'argent en vendant un idéal d'un monde meilleur à des jeunes. » — Laure Salmona, Association Féministe contre le Cyberharcèlement.

      « La conquête des droits est perçue comme si ce qui est gagné par les uns était perdu par les autres. » — Jonathan Bouchet-Petersen, Éditorialiste.

    1. Briefing : Prévention des Violences Sexistes et Sexuelles (VSS) dans la Formation Professionnelle

      Résumé Exécutif

      La prévention des violences sexistes et sexuelles (VSS) au travail est devenue une priorité transversale au sein du Plan Régional Santé au Travail (PRST) d'Occitanie.

      Ce document détaille une action coordonnée, pilotée par la DREETS et la Direction régionale aux droits des femmes et à l'égalité (DRDFE), visant spécifiquement les jeunes en formation professionnelle.

      Le constat est sans appel : les apprentis constituent un public particulièrement vulnérable en raison de leur âge, de la précarité de leur statut et de facteurs organisationnels propres à certains secteurs (horaires atypiques, faible mixité, contact avec le public).

      L'initiative repose sur un partenariat étroit avec l'association Une sur Cinq et s'articule autour de trois piliers :

      • la formation des équipes pédagogiques,
      • la sensibilisation des apprentis et
      • la mise à disposition d'outils opérationnels.

      Les premiers retours de terrain soulignent une libération de la parole et une meilleure structuration des protocoles de signalement.

      L'objectif pour 2026 est de généraliser cette démarche à travers plusieurs départements cibles, tout en intégrant ces actions dans une stratégie de prévention primaire durable.


      1. Cadre Institutionnel et Objectifs du Projet

      Le projet s'inscrit dans une démarche interministérielle et partenariale regroupant des acteurs clés de la prévention : la CARSAT, la MSA, l'ARACT, et les partenaires sociaux.

      Gouvernance et Partenariats

      • Pilotage : La Direction Régionale de l'Économie, de l'Emploi, du Travail et des Solidarités (DREETS) Occitanie.

      • Coordination Égalité : La Direction régionale aux droits des femmes et à l'égalité (DRDFE), sous l'égide de la feuille de route ministérielle "Toutes et tous".

      • Expertise Opérationnelle : L'association Une sur Cinq, spécialisée dans la lutte contre les VSS au travail, assure la formation et la création des outils.

      Missions de l'Association "Une sur Cinq"

      L'association intervient sur trois axes fondamentaux :

      • Accompagnement : Accueil et orientation des victimes (actuelles ou passées).

      • Formation : Professionnalisation des acteurs de l'entreprise et des collectivités.

      • Sensibilisation : Diffusion d'informations pour identifier et réagir face aux VSS.


      2. Analyse des Risques et Vulnérabilités des Jeunes

      L'engagement auprès des Centres de Formation d'Apprentis (CFA) est motivé par des données statistiques et des réalités de terrain alarmantes.

      Facteurs de Risques Individuels

      • L'âge : Selon la Fondation Jean-Jaurès, 42 % des femmes de moins de 30 ans ont subi au moins une forme de violence sexiste ou sexuelle au cours des 12 derniers mois.

      • Méconnaissance des droits : Les jeunes débutant leur vie professionnelle ignorent souvent les recours légaux, le Code du travail et les interlocuteurs de santé au travail.

      Facteurs de Risques Organisationnels

      Certains environnements de travail augmentent la probabilité de survenue des VSS :

      • Vulnérabilité statutaire : La précarité liée au contrat d'apprentissage.- Faible mixité : Les filières très masculines ou féminines sont plus exposées.- Conditions de travail : Travail isolé, horaires atypiques (nuit, décalés) et contact permanent avec le public.

      3. Dispositif de Prévention et Outils Opérationnels

      Le projet 2025 a été structuré comme une démarche de prévention primaire, agissant en amont du risque en outillant d'abord les structures avant d'intervenir auprès des jeunes.

      Le Kit d'Outils (Disponible sur le site du PRST Occitanie)

      | Type de public | Contenu des outils | | --- | --- | | Professionnels (Équipes CFA) | 5 fiches techniques : chiffres clés, définitions légales (Code pénal/travail), obligations des employeurs privés, responsabilités des CFA, accueil et orientation des victimes. | | Apprentis | Une brochure d'information synthétique et une affiche interactive avec QR Code renvoyant vers des ressources numériques. |

      Démarche de Formation

      • Équipes pédagogiques : Sessions de formation pour les directions et formateurs afin de définir des processus de signalement clairs.

      • Apprentis : Ateliers interactifs de 45 minutes à 1 heure, axés sur la déconstruction des stéréotypes et l'identification des mécanismes d'abus.


      4. Retours d'Expérience : Témoignages du Terrain

      CFA Sport et Animation Occitanie

      L'accent a été mis sur la responsabilité sociétale des organisations (RSO).

      Le CFA a identifié que ses apprentis (éducateurs sportifs, animateurs) cumulent des facteurs de risques élevés dus aux horaires décalés et au contact avec divers publics.

      La formation a permis de passer d'une vision individuelle du conflit à une compréhension des risques organisationnels.

      CFA Commerce et Services de Blagnac

      Ce CFA a intégré le dispositif suite à des remontées directes de victimes.

      • Impact immédiat : La formation a facilité la création d'une procédure interne formalisée ("Quoi faire quand cela arrive ?").

      • Libération de la parole : Le déploiement des flyers et affiches a encouragé les apprentis à signaler des situations vécues en entreprise.

      • Lien avec l'entreprise : Nécessité d'agir auprès des maîtres d'apprentissage pour que le CFA ne soit plus seulement dans le curatif, mais qu'il puisse influencer la culture de l'entreprise d'accueil.


      5. Défis et Perspectives de Développement

      Freins Identifiés à la Mobilisation

      • Manque de ressources : Temps limité dans les programmes pédagogiques et manque de moyens financiers ou humains.

      • Appréhension managériale : Peur de gérer des conflits complexes ou des situations de malaise interne.

      • Absence de protocole : Difficulté à réagir efficacement sans procédures claires pré-établies.

      Leviers et Opportunités

      • Soutien institutionnel : Importance de l'engagement des branches professionnelles.

      • Partenariats externes : Recours à des experts (comme l'association Une sur Cinq) pour compenser le manque d'expertise interne.

      • Obligations légales : Rappel de l'article L6231-2 du Code du travail imposant aux CFA des missions de prévention du harcèlement et de promotion de l'égalité.

      Déploiement 2026

      L'action va se régionaliser avec un ciblage spécifique sur cinq départements :

        • Aveyron
        • Hérault
        • Lozère
        • Tarn
        • Tarn-et-Garonne

      Une réflexion est également engagée pour transposer ces outils et méthodes aux lycées professionnels, où les élèves (stagiaires) sont confrontés à des risques identiques malgré un statut juridique différent.